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Why is it mental?

Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.

People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.

Not a character attack.  I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.

However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.

Replicate what? Faith?

I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.

Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.

Didn't you say McCarron would be dropped for engaging with RTE?

Your word doesn't seem to carry much credibility around here.

Why is it mental?

Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.

People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.

Not a character attack.  I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.

However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.

Replicate what? Faith?

I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.

Why is it mental?

Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.

People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.

Mickey Harte's cognitive dissonce knows no bounds.

Did you mean to say dissonance?

Good win for Killyclogher.

I think they're well primed to win Ulster. Massive test against Slaughtneil for them - very little between Killyclogher, Kilcoo and Slaughtneil in terms of talent I feel.

Finished the book.

McCarron comes across very badly. He thinks he is owed forgiveness after all the terrible things he has done but when he talks about other people who he feels have betrayed him he is not beholden to his own standards.

The bit where he talks about Ryan Porter being "dead to him" after he made a quip about the Porno film just typifies this. A guy makes an insulting comment in the heat of the moment and apologises to him shortly after and he won't accept it and carries it forward. Yet he constantly moans about Dromore players not visiting him in rehab and being driven out of Tyrone after all the sc**bag antics he pulled. He consistently tries to excuse all his antics because he had a "disease".

There were a few decent insights to it. The McGee brothers, like I've always felt, are thoroughly alright sorts according to McCarron and their sledging is very much of a harmless variety. They play hard and while they may dole a fair bit of filthy digs they are more than willing to take them too. I take it McBrearty is the Donegal forward he is referring to about being one of the best players in the country if he concentrated more on the football than mouthing off?

I wouldn't have too much sympathy for the sledging he receives but he doesn't seem to have received near as much of it as you'd have expected. He particularly went to town on Monaghan for their behaviour in 2014, he did seem to be getting an awful lot of goading that day at the match. Monaghan and Derry are the two sides who he called out as targeting him for verbals.

Why do childcare workers who work in creches/playschools etc get paid the minimum wage, work 12 months a year and get no perks associated with teachers like pensions/annual leave/job security?

And the teachers go striking with all they have.

Their arrogance and defensive attitude is quite disgraceful. They quite clearly live in a bubble and feel entitled to perks they would never get in any other career path.

In the 26 there never seems to be a supply problem with teachers.

I hold little sympathy for newly qualified teachers who are finding it tough, they chose that career path and the likelihood is the great starting salary, the shorter working week (compared to industry average), excessive holidays (probably over treble the industry average), big pension and job security were the motivating factors in that decision.

Would there be the same clamber for teaching positions on undergraduate degrees if teachers were no longer given their 3 month holidays and their working perks were in line with their public servant counterparts like nurses, gardai etc.

That is the elephant in the room as far as teachers are concerned and one they do not want to address. They feel a sense of entitlement to those 3 month paid holidays.

I'll bomber
"They should be put to work in the summer months, helping disadvantaged and special needs kids during the summer."

for your information teachers help disadvantaged and special needs children and their parents every day they  go to school.    Even the children deserve. A summer holiday.

I'm taking unclear what profession you are   but you really have no idea about the job teachers do ...it's complexities ...

It is no easy job. But it is a fantastic job in terms of seeing all children make progress. And become doctors. Nurses....people who work in education. Give more than any of the shite talked on here by people who just don't know  or more likely had a poor educational experience or indeed haven't  got a decent career path   sin e

That's their job.

They should not get 3 months holidays a year with the salary and perks they have. You seem to hold a sense of entitlement to those 3 months holidays.

Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

The average starting salary of a graduate in the 26 counties is €28,461, and teachers have a further year in college, so plenty of people start of €30k+. If anything it is the nurse that is out of line. And of course few teachers start in a regular job initially, but rather have a lot of hours and the like before getting a post.

They should be put to work in the summer months, helping disadvantaged and special needs kids during the summer.

I don't think teachers should be getting paid more than the likes of a garda or a nurse.

I don't think they should be getting paid more than a garda or nurse and having a minimum of double the annual leave other public sector workers get.

I don't think they be getting paid more when their working week is a lot shorter than that of other public sector workers.

Teachers seem to have a sense of entitlement to their 3 month holidays.

Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.

Teachers don't work 30 hours a week. Double that and you would be getting close

Good joke, pal.

A junior doctor has a lower starting salary than a teacher.

A junior doctor works crazy hours in high pressure and very stressful environment.

That to me is just obscene. Teachers have some neck on them as far as I'm concerned, there's a level of delusion and entitlement to them that is not seen in any other profession.

After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.

Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.

I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

Thats better than the wee six

A lot better, I think the way we pay teachers and manage the perks is a lot fairer. In the south the teachers seem to take the piss.