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Rangers exist and have been allowed to retain their history.That is a fact.

The rangers now exist as a new company but unbelievably been allowed to take the history of rangers fc
You will see 'the' being dropped if it hasn't been done already, but the company are 'the rangers fc' which very much are a new club/company ( and 'the' will have to be used in official financial documents etc I expect)

C,amanchero,haven't you heard? Rangers are still in business and won the 3rd division in Scotland this season.Also I doubt after the trouble at Firhill last Monday night after a Cup Final between Rangers and Celtic's U17 teams,that Police Scotland would agree with you that Rangers related crime has decreased!

The club are not ' rangers' but 'the rangers fc' - close enough to being the same but technically not the same!
Things might even get worse for them as their club undergoes further internal battles and appeals by taxman.

There was an article the other week in the daily mail I think it was where the stats for Glasgow showed that it was the most improved in Britain in terms of crime rates reducing in 2012.
Comments in the article attributed that to 'the rangers' demotion to lowest tier.

So this time I believe you are incorrect on both counts.
You can apologise by buying me that pint you owe me in the Gresham before the next Ireland game!

Small point of order, but surely they cannot be both a new club and demoted to the lowest tier as they were never above the lowest tier??

It's a joke alright.
It's like the dodgy car dealer who folds owing thousands, but opens up under a new name and the debtors cane touch them under their new name!

The authorities had to penalise them but at the same time didnt want to implement the proper and full measures that should result out of such illegal activities - reasons for this I don't know but at a guess its because some of these authorities are rangers fans and also they didn't want to run the risk of fleg type riots from their unhappy Neanderthal fans if the club took the full and proper penalties of being completely closed down.

By having their company ( and trading name) struck off they simply registered a new name and are demoted and allowed keep players and assets etc.

They should not be allowed claim they are adding this years div. 3 title to their honours list, but again I expect the scots soccer authorities will indulge them again as they are the establishment team in Scotland!

The hunger strikers would have been very happy to see that their sacrifice massively helped bring peace and equality to the six counties ( power sharing is equality - we never looked to annex complete power!!).
This would all have been avoided if equality was there from the start and Irish/nationalist/catholic people were not treated as second class citizens or attacked at will, systematically persecuted an oppressed etc - with various 'agreements' getting better as the years and actions resulted in a final decent accord that was tangible and finally not full of useless doubletalk rhetoric like previous ' agreements'!
The 10 men would have been very happy indeed.  The surviving hunger strikers I've spoken to most certainly are!
Its what their families are very happy with!

C,amanchero,haven't you heard? Rangers are still in business and won the 3rd division in Scotland this season.Also I doubt after the trouble at Firhill last Monday night after a Cup Final between Rangers and Celtic's U17 teams,that Police Scotland would agree with you that Rangers related crime has decreased!

The club are not ' rangers' but 'the rangers fc' - close enough to being the same but technically not the same!
Things might even get worse for them as their club undergoes further internal battles and appeals by taxman.

There was an article the other week in the daily mail I think it was where the stats for Glasgow showed that it was the most improved in Britain in terms of crime rates reducing in 2012.
Comments in the article attributed that to 'the rangers' demotion to lowest tier.

So this time I believe you are incorrect on both counts.
You can apologise by buying me that pint you owe me in the Gresham before the next Ireland game!

spectacularly wrong on all counts evil myles, but no surprise there!

maybe peace broke out in your house before the 90's but nowhere else in the six counties!
equality wasnt even a word that the unionist/loyalist establishment could spell up until recently, so I think your recollection of he 70's is way off. maybe for your house, but not for the rest of the 6 counties.

also your think sunningdale was acceptable  !! LOL

while not nice, the IRA and militant republicans gave a platform for the peace and equality that came about via the GFA.
up untl that point persecution, oppression and inequality persisted.

the reunifcation is now able to proceed because of the stability these republicans brought about.Money talks. The Celtic tiger proved that loyalists/unionists abandon their fear and principles for a fee quid.
you might not like all of this but sure thats your own perogative!
peace in the 70's - 'thats a cracker' as that fat gimp used to say !

Hoof,when Cardiff clinched promotion some weeks ago,I tweeted regarding the anomaly of two average sized Welsh clubs being in the EPL,while the notion of two Scottish clubs,each with global fanbases,entering English football is dismissed.Someone immediately responded with the third Welsh club,Bale,and I sniggered for a second and a half.

With crime in Glasgow on match days down since rangers fc went out of business, it should be Celtic only gaining admission to English leagues and battle for promotion to the English premier league.

I have one theory for the 12th - rather than avoid and protest on the parades, the republican community should embrace and actually join in as such, stand and smile and look like you are really enjoying the colour, music and atmosphere ( all through gritted teeth of course).

Confuse them, may take a few years but when they realise they aren't pissing anyone off (dumb as they are) they'll just get fed up doing it and it will fall apart.

I've been suggesting this for years.
The parade commission should make it mandatory ( not sure how) that parades from both side should
Include minimum 10% participation from ' the other side'!!

Remembered - Not in my name as an Irishman and a Republican.

I doubt if your "not in my name" will make much difference to anything.
Remembered by me as a man who stood up for and gave his life for  his principles.
Sad thing is the things he and his fellow hunger strikers wanted were all obtained not long afterwards.
Some say they were already on offer but Gerry and the SF leadership are alleged to have refused to pass it on to the lads.

The lie that is trotted out by the anti SF crowd has never been proved,even the Brits involved in it couldn't help them to discredit the leadership.Bobby Sands was a clever an and was nobody's fool.

The demands were never 'on the table' during the hunger strike- as a brother of one of the hunger strikers who was the family negotiator on behalf of his brother told me - during the hunger strike.
If the demands that were eventually all met , were all conceded during the hunger strike , then these men would not have all died. Still they set out knowing this could happen and they are casualties of war, much like the dead from either side.

The newly formed sf, Adams et all as well as the IRA and INLA army councils had no bearing in the negotiations as they didn't want the second hunger strike to take ace, so the prisoners didnt include them in negotiations in case they agreed concessions to end the hnger strike- the men wanted all five demands to be met. They died, but these were won.

The hunger strike also massively helped deliver peace and an unprecedented equality to the six counties. That achieved objective has given the plateau and platform to deliver eventual reunification.
There is no denying that this eventuality will happen with the British gov being as much the instigators as Irish republicans!
We are not yet ready for this economically but it won't be that far off. Certainly the 800 years of illegal misrule and partition will continue for. Fraction of the time, with militant republicanism and their actions as well as ten brave men helping deliver the peace, equality and ultimate reunification!

None!
That's why ocallaghan was completely out of order if not crossing the legal line by implying adams was in some way responsible for that named persons death!

I doubt if Adams would want the hoo ha of pressing legal charges over this ( presumably he has a case - defamation) so she and rte are prob going to avoid a repeat perf of last years fiasco where they had to she'll out for those allegations against that priest.

Ocallaghan is a daft unprofessional bint!

lads - what about all those questions I been asking? Not a wee not embarrassed by the lack of answers?

You may not like the answers I provide but I do at least have the decency to engage in the dialogue and defend my position.

any questions have been answered.

funnily enough, you dont seem to like the answes you are getting either - running away from them or attempting to deflect by claiming 'typo' !
unless you figure out what democracy actually is, there is no point in you pretending you are engaging in any actual debate.

you will find out soon enough though, that unlike your community and their behaviour in the apartheidesque days of the 6 county abhoration, the reunited Ireland will be an easy place to live in for you folks - far from the picture you seem to have in your minds.
just the problems of normal society to contend with - once you lose the chip on your shoulder and the notion of looking to take offence.

My questions have been answered? Where?

An international border is redrawn to reflect majority different views either end of the new border gets labelled here a "false political entity". The inference is that the former Yugoslav republics are to be abolished. I ask must Yugoslavia be re-united against the democratic wishes of its people(s)? Point out the answer please.

NI has been labelled a "gerrymandered state". I have asked is the problem the precise line of the border? Who has answered this?

Some seem to favour a redrawing of the border - who is leading the political campaign for this? Would SF accept a re-drawing of the border? No answer.

Would the people in border areas of the 6 counties who voted Yes for a united Ireland in a future referendum be happy for their votes to be used to re-draw the border but not achieve a united Ireland?

What was Britain to do in the face of a vocal majority pre-partition? What are they do now with a pro-union majority? How would these proposals have played out internationally? How would it play out today? Can there ever be a United Ireland that does not have majority support north and south? Surely these are fundamental questions. I have asked them Who has answered them?

I asked two different posters if they would respect a vote by a majority in the 6 countes to stay in UK? No answers.
I asked why nobody was out in front of the cameras defending that particular political stance? No answer.

When was there last a political will in RoI to unify the island in circumstances other than in the presence of a majority in favour in NI? Question asked but not answered.

A smaller NI could have been created at the outset - who pushed for it? No answer.

On the point of violence and murder who has pointed out the achievement of Repulicans in respect of the border? Which violent acts/murders were worth it? Who has been able to justify the republican terror campaign?

Which acts of violence/murder relieved the oppression of Catholics?

Which IRA acts achieved their stated goal? (plenty to chose from)

Were the acts of violence/murder ever going to achieve a British withdrawal? How would that have played out internationally? No answers.

What good does murder motivated by retaliation do? Can retaliation be used to justify murder? No answers?

A poster indicated that because peaceful protest did not achieve its goals immediately that that was evidence enough cease operating on peaceful means and starting a campaign of terror. I asked the poster whether the campaign of violence achieved its goals immediately? No reply.

Who has pointed out the Irish ruler who has ruled the entire Island?

In the absence of this where does the obviousness of the united island come from?

I was accused of denying protestant misrule/discrimination and of defending both crimes. I asked for the refernces that form the basis of this accusation. No answers.

A poster claimed that the IRA committed acts of violence and murder to STOP unionist/loyalist violence. I asked for peer reviewed works that detail and endorses this strategy. No answers.

I asked how phoning a firm of taxis and shooting the driver, walking into a protestant owned shop and shooting someone behind the counter or planting a bomb in the centre of a majority protestant town not be considered targeting? No answer.
I asked whether broad brush targeting made acts more justifable? No answers.

Yep the majority of those have been dealt with or discussed on the thread I believe, if not in direct answer to your posts.
Others are non questions - such as the drawing up of/re-drawing of the border, only you seem keen on this.

Andrews is a workhorse but it's senseless keeping a player like Rock on the bench.

Time and place
Eg Maurice Fitz
We'd all pick different teams. Rock wasnt even on the panel last year!
He has great talent but still learning - inconsistent. Was v poor in club all Ireland second half.
Ok in the first half. Can improve. Great asset and free taker.

Dublin now have that strength in depth that wins all Ireland's.

She is a woman scorned Nally - that's the crux, with impartiality and professionalism out the window as she's on a personal crusade against republicans and sf as she identifies her ex husband with them!
Don't look for professionalism in rte , the dail or politics.
All self serving me feiner unprofessional cnuts.

I'd select a slightly diff team but your selection looks close to what Gavin may pick alright.
Only changes would be either Cullen or that young ballymun lad whose name escapes me at whf with Kilkenny on the bench and hopefully Andrews getting the nod for FF with Rock also held in reserve.

[The 1916 anniversary might come too soon for more recent candidates to be included, but in time they all will - as at one point in time the 1916 people were not held in high regard either, so expect when the raw recent feeling has subsided, they will all be venerated.Prob in the reunified Ireland at that stage!]

My guess as to why miriam ocallaghan always seems imbalanced or anti sf / anti republican in her supposedly professional capacity is down to a lingering issue she has with her ex husband who has republican tainted views but in spite of this always comes across as the consumate professional unlike his ex bird!

As for adams calling for republicans who fought for Irish freedom to be honoured- pity it was him who said it, but it is a good idea.

The 1916 anniversary might come too soon for more recent candidates to be included, but in time they all will - as at one point in time the 1916 people were not held in high regard either, so expect when the raw recent feeling has subsided, they will all be venerated.
Prob in the reunified Ireland at that stage!

You see this is a reasonable line of argument. Calling for people to be honoured while the families of their innocent victims are still alive is completely different from doing it 100 years later. Even Saints have to wait to be canonised.

I'm not calling for it, but it will happen.
The only tangiable is time.
I'm sure their are a lot of families affected by 1916 or 1921 civil war, war of independence - but enough time has passed by for their affront to be diluted.
Same thing will happen again eventually!
IMO - esp if 1916 and 1921 are anything to go by - sure isn't Michael Collins venerated more now than back then!

get away out of that Dinny.
Dubs top leinster with kildare behind by a length and could sneak a win if they got a bit of firepower.

Laois could do damage but usually to them selves when they implode - serious talent thought.
Young westmeath and Meath still rebuilding.
Offaly at the same level as these two, as are Louth. IMO

Longford and wexford waiting for the qualifiers to spring surprises.
Wexford have talent but like leix, seem to self destruct and have no belief.