it gives me great pleasure to open this thread and i hope the boys from reservoir dubs enjoy it as well ;) :D :D
allez les wex
mattie ford - ryan mcmenamin is behind you, now hes beside you, now hes on top of you ;D ;D
Lump on Wexford.
tread should have started a week ago.
as usual the dubs over hyped.
ps. Tyrone nothing to lose, bring on kerry
Quote from: gerry on August 16, 2008, 09:50:04 PM
ps. Tyrone nothing to lose, bring on kerry
Is this not the same thing the Dubs are getting abuse over?
Any information on tickets yet? The wifes family are normally hurling people but it seems the football bug has taken the county (Wexford) by storm. Not much chance of coming by any in the Armagh clubs so if anyone has some to spare drop me a line.
I'd say every person in Wexford will be in Croke Park on 31st August -
Will there be a full house ???
QuoteIs this not the same thing the Dubs are getting abuse over?
sssshhh..just let them at it.
Too late. No amount of backpedaling will disguise the fact that ye think Wexford are a pushover....just like Armagh did.
I for one don't think Wexford will be a push over. It'll be a much tighter game than yesterday's and Tyrone will need the same sort of performance to get over them. Wexford have now seen what we can do and you can beat they've already sat down to work out how to counteract that. Can we win? Yes. Will we win? I'll answer that nearer the time...
Wexferd in the final would be great unless they were to 'do a Mayo' or 'a cork' ( see finals passim).
So it is tough call.
Ideally Cork would beat Kerry and then i couldn't care less who wins the other semi final.
A Throne-Kerry final would be as close to timber as Gaelic football gets.
A Kerry 3 in a row made up of three soft all-Irelands would be a tragedy. At least the cats are peerless but Kerry seem to have the flakiness that doesn't deserve a three in a row. I mean it's hardly their fault and it doesn't say much about them that the last 2 all-Irelands involved 'playing' teams that had severe confidence issues. Tyrone are unlikely to present the same sort of issues.
this game is far from a foregone conlusion. it will be tight but i'm hoping tyrone's greater experience will see us through. of the teams left i would prefer to play cork as i dont really rate them at all.
A Kerry 3 in a row made up of three soft all-Irelands would be a tragedy. At least the cats are peerless but Kerry seem to have the flakiness that doesn't deserve a three in a row. I mean it's hardly their fault and it doesn't say much about them that the last 2 all-Irelands involved 'playing' teams that had severe confidence issues. Tyrone are unlikely to present the same sort of issues.
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How the f**k can you say that a team that could/would win a 3 in a row as all soft all Irelands??
The simple fact is that Kerry have been the most consistent team in Ireland since the turn of the decade - look at the stats.
Tyrone won an all ireland in 2005 by playing 8 or 9 games - what a fantastic achievement lots of people said but some people seemed to forget that some of these game were replays as Tyrone just couldn't put teams away the first day!!
Kerry will certainly relish a cut at Tyrone IF and I stress IF they put away Cork and sort out the FB issues.
Sufficient credit is not being given to this Kerry team IMO probably because of jealousy and a reluctance to recognise a fantastic team that are not finished just yet!!
Quote from: tram on August 17, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 17, 2008, 10:57:09 AM
Too late. No amount of backpedaling will disguise the fact that ye think Wexford are a pushover....just like Armagh did.
Where did I say Wexford would be a pushover?
Don't mind him.
The permanently embittered Mike Sheehy can read between the posts if it not there in B&W to suit his agenda.
Must admit I just didnt expect Tyrone to be in the last four this year but very pleasantly surprised :). Id imagine its a pretty similar situation for the Wexford fans and theyre probably delighted to be facing Tyrone rather than Dublin, gives them a great chance of reaching an All-Ireland final.
Really hard to make a call on this match after the summer Tyrone have had. Was yesterday the sign that Tyrone can still be AI contenders or was it one last big performance from a great team? We saw a similarly brilliant performance out of nowhere against Donegal in Ulster last summer but the team failed to reach the same heights when it mattered later in the championship. The challenge now must be to try and ensure the same doesnt happen here. It will be a lot closer than yesterdays match for sure.
The two best football managers in the game head-to-head; makes for something of an intriguing tie, with the only certainty being that Tyrone need to exert to the same degree (as yesterday) to be anything like assured of progress.
No excuses for Tyrone now, no more crying about the old guard, no more getting your excuses in by the dozen before the game.
No place to hide as we now know you can play class football for 70 minutes instead of 5 minutes here and there.
QuoteTyrone supporters are already talking about the Tyrone v Kerry AI final and paying no respect to Wexford.
I've not met a real fan yet who thinks this. Armagh were cought sleeping and talking of an AI final but you won't find many around Tyrone making the same mistake.
QuoteTyrone won an all ireland in 2005 by playing 8 or 9 games
10 actually. ;)
Focus will be the big thing before this game. Time and time again teams who have won the way Tyrone did yesterday go out and get beat in their next match. It happened the Dubs this year, Meath in 2001 and Armagh in 2004. There are many other examples. Tyrone will be expected to win and that will put more pressure on the players than they have experienced in recent times. It will be great though to be heading to Dublin with both the minors and seniors playing in All Ireland semi finals.
All I can think about is the hammering Meath gave Kerry in the AI semi to get hammered by Galway in the final. I don't think Tyrone will produce the performance they produced against Dublin again.
Tyrone haven't become a bad team in the last two years as some seemed to be suggesting leading up to the Dublin game, but I still don't think they're as good as they were in 2003/2005. I don't think they'll be lifting Sam this year.
Down beat Tyrone by 1 point, Wexford beat Down by 7 points -> Wexford to beat Tyrone by 8 points
or
Dublin beat Wexford by 23 points, Tyrone beat Dublin by 12 points -> Tyrone to beat Wexford by 35 points.
I'm going be quite controversial and predict that it'll be somewhere in between.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 18, 2008, 01:37:21 AM
Down beat Tyrone by 1 point, Wexford beat Down by 7 points -> Wexford to beat Tyrone by 8 points
or
Dublin beat Wexford by 23 points, Tyrone beat Dublin by 12 points -> Tyrone to beat Wexford by 35 points.
I'm going be quite controversial and predict that it'll be somewhere in between.
Nice.
Who'll be the next Tyrone player to sport a beard for this game?
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 17, 2008, 09:34:54 AM
Yesterday, 30 counties were supporting Tyrone and willing them on to win as the underdogs and because the opposition was Dublin. Against Wexford the situation reverses, Tyrone supporters are already talking about the Tyrone v Kerry AI final and paying no respect to Wexford.
Why only 30? Who is the other county not supporting Tyrone?
Quote from: Lazer on August 18, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 17, 2008, 09:34:54 AM
Yesterday, 30 counties were supporting Tyrone and willing them on to win as the underdogs and because the opposition was Dublin. Against Wexford the situation reverses, Tyrone supporters are already talking about the Tyrone v Kerry AI final and paying no respect to Wexford.
Why only 30? Who is the other county not supporting Tyrone?
I'm sure TYP was excluding Tyrone themselves as they would be slightly biased ;)
Quote from: Lazer on August 18, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 17, 2008, 09:34:54 AM
Yesterday, 30 counties were supporting Tyrone and willing them on to win as the underdogs and because the opposition was Dublin. Against Wexford the situation reverses, Tyrone supporters are already talking about the Tyrone v Kerry AI final and paying no respect to Wexford.
Why only 30? Who is the other county not supporting Tyrone?
Armagh!!
Im going to say what alot of Tyrone fans are thinking (and you are - if you are honest!!). I think Tyrone are going to have no problem with Wexford and will beat them by quite a large amount. This has nothing to do with 'respect' or 'complacency' but just down to the fact that I think Tyrone have alot more talent in their ranks and the'big day' will not effect them where as I think it will all be a bit much for the Wexford players. I am really hoping for an All-Ireland Final Day with both our Minors and Seniors involved but the Minors have a bigger task to get there. Remember this is just my opinion and I am being Honest.. ;)
QuoteWho'll be the next Tyrone player to sport a beard for this game?
Should we make the final I think all fans should sprout one as a show of solidarity, well the male fans anyway!
Quote from: under the bar on August 18, 2008, 10:43:59 AM
QuoteWho'll be the next Tyrone player to sport a beard for this game?
Should we make the final I think all fans should sprout one as a show of solidarity, well the male fans anyway!
And Mickey should shave ;)
My young lad was so terrified of meeting the Dubs again that he was over the moon with this result. I tried to promote the logic that as Tyrone beat that Dublin team by 12 points that we should therefore be very worried about them, but he didn't see my point at all .....
I think he's more relieved that he won't have to see and hear the Hill of Blue again, or endure the taunts of (yes, yes, a tiny but vocal minority of morons posing as) Dublin fans on the walk back to the car .....
..... were we to lose, of course ;)
Fermanagh, Down and Armagh have all tried and failed to beat Wexford this year -
Down have already put us out of the championship this year.
So caution is needed !
Remember well the game in Wexford Park in 2002, our only previous championship meeting with the Model. A kevin Hughes goal sneaked us over the line on a day we could easily have been dumped out. Tyrone seem to find Wexford's style of play tough to counteract, as evidenced again in the NFL semi a few years ago when they turned us over. So, plenty of motivation for Tyrone and in no way will they underestimate the side that knocked Down and Armagh out, comfortably!
I am in no way predicting a Tyrone win. Wexford have a great team and no doubt Forde will be stomping at the bit to embarrass Ricey and Gormley.
Tyrone will not play the same against Wexford as they did against Dublin, Wexford won't let them. A much closer game and one which will go down to the line. No doubt the whole country will be behind Wexford.
QuoteRemember well the game in Wexford Park in 2002, our only previous championship meeting with the Model. A kevin Hughes goal sneaked us over the line on a day we could easily have been dumped out. Tyrone seem to find Wexford's style of play tough to counteract, as evidenced again in the NFL semi a few years ago when they turned us over. So, plenty of motivation for Tyrone and in no way will they underestimate the side that knocked Down and Armagh out, comfortably!
Hopefully Tyrone will perform against Wexford as they did against Dublin, because it won't be easy but they still should have too much for Wexford. As for beating Armagh, it was far from comfortable as the Orchard County were coasting until the 62nd odd minute when Forde found the net, and Wexford hit a purple patch soon after at a time when it was too late for Armagh to come back.
It'll be interesting to see what changes Mickey will make in the days before the game. Hard to see Holmes not retaining his place. Will Devine pay for the goal? Doubt it as his intelligent kick-outs are an asset. Can't see many changes in the forward division too with Penrose an excellent 2nd half option.
How fit is Forde? He seemed to be finding it tough going for large parts of the Armagh game and he said afterwards it was pure adrenaline that saw him through. Lyng, Banville, Barry and Byrne are good footballers and will take watching. It's quite feasible to say that Wexford have more attacking options than the Dubs had.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 12:22:37 PM
It'll be interesting to see what changes Mickey will make in the days before the game. Hard to see Holmes not retaining his place. Will Devine pay for the goal? Doubt it as his intelligent kick-outs are an asset. Can't see many changes in the forward division too with Penrose an excellent 2nd half option.
How fit is Forde? He seemed to be finding it tough going for large parts of the Armagh game and he said afterwards it was pure adrenaline that saw him through. Lyng, Banville, Barry and Byrne are good footballers and will take watching. It's quite feasible to say that Wexford have more attacking options than the Dubs had.
There's nothing wrong with him !
That's a bluff !
Anyone know when the tickets will be going on sale on Ticketmaster?
Was a great day out on Saturday (Even if I did seem to be the only Tyrone supporter in my section) and want to make sure I get my ticket in plenty of time.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 11:08:38 AM
Remember well the game in Wexford Park in 2002, our only previous championship meeting with the Model. A kevin Hughes goal sneaked us over the line on a day we could easily have been dumped out. Tyrone seem to find Wexford's style of play tough to counteract, as evidenced again in the NFL semi a few years ago when they turned us over. So, plenty of motivation for Tyrone and in no way will they underestimate the side that knocked Down and Armagh out, comfortably!
i recall tyrone were very much hanging on at the end in that match in 2002, and probably should have been beat. was probably a sign of things to come with the sligo debacle just around the corner.
match report here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/2030878.stm
I would have muched preferred to be playing one of the other two teams in the semif final. Wexford played scintillating stuff against Armagh and Down and yet everyone since has been talking about their capitualtion in one half to the Dubs. Wexford will test Tyrone to the very limit and have every put in more consistent performances than Tyrone this year. I have also a sneaking feeling that they are getting a little more luck and bounce of the ball than their oppositions. Dublin fell away against Tyrone, they became a characture of all their failings under Pillar and they disintegrated. I have no doubt that winning your province has now become a huge disadvantrage to most teams with Sam intentions. I fully expect Kerry to take out the last provincial winner - the rebels next week. I think of all the teams left in the championship Wexford would still be my second favourites behind Kerry. Heres why...
1) Jason Ryan can advance plan a game and his team are taught how to win their next game - smart guy - His battle with Harte will be fascinating
2) Wexfird have nothing to lose and have the template of Fermanagh from 2004 to know it was and can be possible but you just need to take the opportunity to win the game when it comes up - I believe thisn chance will come Wexfiords way.
3) Great forward line with Matty Ford almost a foil for some of the other great talents
4) They were the top team in Leinster this year but for an implosion of freak proportions would have been toe to toe with the dubs - Quite obviously they are out the other side of that defeat, it has strengthened them - in other words they will not implode again.
5) They can beat Armagh defensively and outscore Down
6) One things for sure If Tyrone manage to defeat them Tyrone have defeated the Leinster teams, Louth, Westmeath, Dublin and Wexford, or if Wexford will have defeated Down, Armagh and Tyrone in other words one of these teams will be regarded as being the on form champions of the opposites province ie Tyrone better than Leinster best or Wexfords better than Ulster best.
7) Both teams have winning momentum and the best managements left in the competition.
What's Wexford's record in both NFL and SFC this year? It must be the best in the country.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
What's Wexford's record in both NFL and SFC this year? It must be the best in the country.
Have they beaten every Northern team they've met ?
People might say this match has a tremendous novelty factor. These are the same people that are interested in looking for novelty factors. Fcuk them and their novelty factors. Some people say that Wexford have nothing to lose - its almost a disclaimer. Wexford have an awful lot to lose - a tilt at Sam in the final, so anybody that tells you that Wexford have nothing to lose tell them to fcuk off and wise up. Wexford will not be thinking about going in with gay abandon and leaving with their heads held high. Tyrone have been shit the last 2 years and they could go back to being shit again. Wexford are good enough to beat Tyrone and make it to an AI final so they'll damn sure not want to lose. Having seen Wexford this year twice Im telling you the novelty factor will be that Tyrone need to be prprerd for a baatle royal or they will be the next big shock in the championship. Wexford wont have to stop Tyrone, who have had one good hour this 3 years Tyrone will have to stop Wexford who have had at least 4 good hours this year,
In the league they played Fermanagh twice - drew with them in Fermanagh and then beat them in the League final. They also beat Down in the NFL. In the championship they've beaten Down and Armagh, as well as Meath and Laois. They have a 10-2-1 record this year, their only defeat was the collapse in the Leinster Final. This is a side accustomed to winning.
Mattie WexForde must be stopped at all costs. Step forward the block. Only man for the job. Sorry Justin, but we canlt take the risk on you being up to the task.
Dont get me wrong Im delighted to be there but I always felt that Tyrone can sometimes underperform to the media profile of the opposition in Croke Park
Over the years the games Tyrone went in against so called lesser favoured teams and lost. We can suck in as much hype as we want before this game or we can choose to reject it and do the fcukin work. We were favourites on the following occasions in the past few years
Sligo - 02
Meath - 96 and 07
Mayo - 04
Derry 97
Down 99
Derry 01
Laois 06
We dont like being favourites.
Hope Mattie doesn't pick up an early yellow.
Quote from: feetofflames on August 18, 2008, 01:54:12 PM
People might say this match has a tremendous novelty factor. These are the same people that are interested in looking for novelty factors. Fcuk them and their novelty factors. Some people say that Wexford have nothing to lose - its almost a disclaimer. Wexford have an awful lot to lose - a tilt at Sam in the final, so anybody that tells you that Wexford have nothing to lose tell them to fcuk off and wise up. Wexford will not be thinking about going in with gay abandon and leaving with their heads held high. Tyrone have been shit the last 2 years and they could go back to being shit again. Wexford are good enough to beat Tyrone and make it to an AI final so they'll damn sure not want to lose. Having seen Wexford this year twice Im telling you the novelty factor will be that Tyrone need to be prprerd for a baatle royal or they will be the next big shock in the championship. Wexford wont have to stop Tyrone, who have had one good hour this 3 years Tyrone will have to stop Wexford who have had at least 4 good hours this year,
Well said!!
All this shit talk about hunger pisses me off too. People slabbering about "Tyrone were hungrier" is nonsense. If anyone thinks Tyrone wanted to win more than Dublin they are fools with the likes of Tommy Lyons. Every man women and child in Dublin wanted to win. The same as Tipp yesterday. Waterford were every bit as hungry after 1, 2, 3 all the way to 44 years as they were after 45 years. It did not change yesterday. Alan Brogans face said it all when he was going off. That guy and his team mates wanted to play and wanted nothing else but a win. The same can be said for Tyrone. Anyone who takes to a field in a Championship quarter final has one thing on their mind and that is winning. So take your hunger and stick it up your ass. If I was a manager and felt a player wasn't as hungry as the next man I would seriouly consider dropping them.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 18, 2008, 02:02:56 PM
Mattie WexForde must be stopped at all costs. Step forward the block. Only man for the job. Sorry Justin, but we canlt take the risk on you being up to the task.
Justin is the man for the job. He is our Full Back. If it is not working out then change it but for now it's Justys job.
To be fair Zapatista, the biggest load of bollox I read before the game was your prediction that it would be a slopply unattractive game with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes as the Dubs had that 'bit of class and cool heads' which we supposedly hadn't. Now if that wasn't fictional media-talk I don't know what is. Dublin have never had those qualities.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 02:14:48 PM
To be fair Zapatista, the biggest load of bollox I read before the game was your prediction that it would be a slopply unattractive game with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes as the Dubs had that 'bit of class and cool heads' which we supposedly hadn't. Now if that wasn't fictional media-talk I don't know what is. Dublin have never had those qualities.
Guilty.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 16, 2008, 08:02:43 AM
Why do we think Dublin are fitter? I have seen this mentioned a few times but don't know how that conclusion was reached.
I predict a slopply unattractive game but a good contest and battle, with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes. As was seen with Kerry V Galway and Cork V Kilkenny that bit of class and cool heads is the difference between real Champions and the rest. I think Dublin might have that quality this year.
I think you are being a little misleading though. I was right about the fittness. Dublin were sloppy and unattractive. I was wrong with my result and that Dublin quality but I was hardly alone in that. I stand by what I said about cool heads but I did attribute it to the wrong team. Again I was not alone in this and think it was a reasonable position to take at the time.
agreed
Anybody that thinks the best team dosent win football games tell them to away and fcuk them selves. No excuses, 4 teams stripped of hype, bullshit and tags ie that blanket defense bullshite (started by Spillane and bought into by people with neither a brain nor idea for themselves) to the bare bones and throw the ball in. The race for Sam this year is now between 4 teams
Kerry favourites with experience and are good enough to get back to the last 4 despite having a few things not go their way - if they play as well as they can they take a lot of beating but face tough opponents in Cork who appear to be rectifying their terrible showing in last yeasr aifinal. Cork have shown they can beat Kerry and Kerry have shown they can beat Cork - could go either way. The winners of this will be the media favourites for the final, but if you are chatting to any of this media ask them to shove their favouritism whrer the sun dont shine. I think all 4 teams would be very worthy winners.
Tyrone V Wexfors this game is a defeat of the 1994 Division 3 league final which Tyrone won, and thats as relevant as their game in 2002 or that infamous rainy league semi final. Both teams have established a winning momentum and both would love to get to the final. Do Wexford deserve to be fabvourites because they have consistently played better than Tyrone this year or do Tyrone deserve to be favourites because they have won 2 Sams this decade. Probably even chances all round, Id have thought. Tyrone result against the Dubs was in my mind as freakish as Wexfords against the Dubs. When you look for patterns it Wexford for me when you look at the ability to hit a great one off result its Tyrone based on the evidence supplied to date this season.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 18, 2008, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 02:14:48 PM
To be fair Zapatista, the biggest load of bollox I read before the game was your prediction that it would be a slopply unattractive game with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes as the Dubs had that 'bit of class and cool heads' which we supposedly hadn't. Now if that wasn't fictional media-talk I don't know what is. Dublin have never had those qualities.
Guilty.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 16, 2008, 08:02:43 AM
Why do we think Dublin are fitter? I have seen this mentioned a few times but don't know how that conclusion was reached.
I predict a slopply unattractive game but a good contest and battle, with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes. As was seen with Kerry V Galway and Cork V Kilkenny that bit of class and cool heads is the difference between real Champions and the rest. I think Dublin might have that quality this year.
I think you are being a little misleading though. I was right about the fittness. Dublin were sloppy and unattractive. I was wrong with my result and that Dublin quality but I was hardly alone in that. I stand by what I said about cool heads but I did attribute it to the wrong team. Again I was not alone in this and think it was a reasonable position to take at the time.
Fair enough. However on the previous point - you simply cannot rule out 'hunger' being a factor in some games. I've seen Division 3 teams beat Division 1 teams in Tyrone competitions because of complacency on one side versus an intense will to defeat a better side. Look at Cork and Kildare. There's no doubt Cork were a better side. However, after being 8-points up, they became complacent whereas McGeeney had the Lily Whites hyped to the eyeballs after the second half and could easily wave walked away with a robbery. Would Kildare have deserved it? Yes because they maintained that drive and will to succeed whereas the Rebels took their eye off the ball. So, yes, I believe the mental approach at this level is a factor.
QuoteWhen you look for patterns it Wexford for me when you look at the ability to hit a great one off result its Tyrone based on the evidence supplied to date this season.
Tyrone have as much consistency in the Championship this year as Wexford. They have both lost once each.
Sorry I meant in terms of perfomance. Wexford have been more impressive than Tyrone to Saturday
I sorta see what you mean Fleet but its still a tight argument to say that Tyrone were less impressive than Wexford due to the drubbing Wexford received in the Leinster Final. 25 odd points in the Senior football championship football is as big a hammering as you will ever see whereas Tyrone lost narrowly to Down. But I'm sure you will agree that none of this matters a fcuk come the semi final. It will be an interesting match.
Quote from: feetofflames on August 18, 2008, 01:54:12 PM
People might say this match has a tremendous novelty factor. These are the same people that are interested in looking for novelty factors. Fcuk them and their novelty factors. Some people say that Wexford have nothing to lose - its almost a disclaimer. Wexford have an awful lot to lose - a tilt at Sam in the final, so anybody that tells you that Wexford have nothing to lose tell them to fcuk off and wise up. Wexford will not be thinking about going in with gay abandon and leaving with their heads held high. Tyrone have been shit the last 2 years and they could go back to being shit again. Wexford are good enough to beat Tyrone and make it to an AI final so they'll damn sure not want to lose. Having seen Wexford this year twice Im telling you the novelty factor will be that Tyrone need to be prprerd for a baatle royal or they will be the next big shock in the championship. Wexford wont have to stop Tyrone, who have had one good hour this 3 years Tyrone will have to stop Wexford who have had at least 4 good hours this year,
We've been poor this past few years but wouldnt go that far. We didnt win an ulster title last year beating Fermanagh,Donegal and Monaghan without playing decent football. We have been good in patches this year but Saturday was the first time we put it together for a full match. Wexford will be a tough test and they have gained experience this year of what its like to play in big mathces in Croke Park. I'd be disappointed though if we dont go on and reach the final now. There's plenty of competition for places and the squad will be boosted from Saturdays win. I would hope that Wexford will struggle with the pace of the game played by Tyrone. It will be interesting to see if Tyrone can put together good performances back to back. If we underestimate Wexford (which I dont think the players will) we'll be out.
Agreed both men. Listen Ive had tyrone people saying redficulous things about winning all irelands and the like and thats crazy talk. The Dubs were the worst team Tyrone have played in Croke Park since Fermanagh 2003. When we back up that performance Ill be happy because Ill know it was not a freak result of which theres been a lot this year. I mena would form have pointed to the performance, Harte and Holmes had. Fair fcuks to them guys, they were immense but Id expect the same the next day.
Have Tyrone come up against any team this year that have rained high balls on top of their full back line? Haven't seen all the games so I'm just wondering as this seems to have been a bit of an achilles heel over the last couple of seasons.
Did anyone else hear that Stevie O Came through a training session with thhe county last week.
QuoteDid anyone else hear that Stevie O Came through a training session with thhe county last week.
Yes him, PTG and Frank McGuigan snr are all flying in training. John Lynch to stand in for PJ Quinn if he doesn't make it.
shoot donaghy is looking back on top form again-the man oozes f*ckin class!!! ;D
Quote from: feetofflames on August 18, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
Agreed both men. Listen Ive had tyrone people saying redficulous things about winning all irelands and the like and thats crazy talk. The Dubs were the worst team Tyrone have played in Croke Park since Fermanagh 2003. When we back up that performance Ill be happy because Ill know it was not a freak result of which theres been a lot this year. I mena would form have pointed to the performance, Harte and Holmes had. Fair fcuks to them guys, they were immense but Id expect the same the next day.
Was just thinking that, you couldn't predict any results this year. Good odds on a Cork Wex final.
Just to put a little perspective on the individual face-offs, assuming (almost definitely incorrectly) that the teams will be as they lined out last game (and what each scored in that last game):
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
T Mc Guigan (0-2) S Cavanagh (1-2) C Mc Cullagh (0-3)
A Morrissey D Murphy C Morris
Joe Mc Mahon (1-1) B Mc Guigan B Dooher (0-3)
E Bradley B Doyle
E Mc Ginley (0-1) C Holmes
R Barry (0-2) P Colfer C Byrne (0-1)
P Jordan C Gormley (0-1) D Harte (1-1)
C Lyng (0-5) PJ Banville (0-1) M Forde (1-5)
C Gourley Justy Mc Mahon R Mc Menamin
J Devine
That's interesting alrite FOSB. Tyrone's scores more spread out with double the score takers. To be honest I can't see the starting line up change unless due to injury. It would be very hard to drop anyone from that team considering everyone played well against the Dubs. It would take some major preformances in training to win a starting berth now.
It s going to be a tight game, no doubt about that but its going to be won on the line.
Micky will make the nedessary changes at half time and Tyrone will progress!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 18, 2008, 08:29:56 PM
Just to put a little perspective on the individual face-offs, assuming (almost definitely incorrectly) that the teams will be as they lined out last game (and what each scored in that last game):
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
T Mc Guigan (0-2) S Cavanagh (1-2) C Mc Cullagh (0-3)
A Morrissey D Murphy C Morris
Joe Mc Mahon (1-1) B Mc Guigan B Dooher (0-3)
E Bradley B Doyle
E Mc Ginley (0-1) C Holmes
R Barry P Colfer C Byrne (0-1)
P Jordan C Gormley (0-1) D Harte (1-1)
C Lyng (0-5) PJ Banville (0-1) M Forde (1-5)
C Gourley Justy Mc Mahon R Mc Menamin
J Devine
That a good way to look at it, I think we had 8 different scorers in the Mayo game as well? Some of the newer lads like Tommy should be getting used to HQ now and hopefully can carry through the form from the Dublin game.
If Mulligan is anyway fit he should be champing at the bit at this stage, ditto for Mulgrew.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 18, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
To be honest I can't see the starting line up change unless due to injury. It would be very hard to drop anyone from that team considering everyone played well against the Dubs. It would take some major preformances in training to win a starting berth now.
Fair points
ss, and there's probably just as little reason that the Wexford starting line-up would change too, so the teams mightn't be very far away from that come the 31st. MH was a happy man I'd say to have been able to put so many subs on on Saturday -- all the playing time there helps, however short or otherwise.
Wonder what Micky s belief in Mugsy is at the moment. Only gave him 2 minutes on Saturday. I feel that if he is looking to him for the next match ( or 2) he would have taken the opportunty to give him more playing time!!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 18, 2008, 08:29:56 PM
Just to put a little perspective on the individual face-offs, assuming (almost definitely incorrectly) that the teams will be as they lined out last game (and what each scored in that last game):
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
T Mc Guigan (0-2) S Cavanagh (1-2) C Mc Cullagh (0-3)
A Morrissey D Murphy C Morris
Joe Mc Mahon (1-1) B Mc Guigan B Dooher (0-3)
E Bradley B Doyle
E Mc Ginley (0-1) C Holmes
R Barry P Colfer C Byrne (0-1)
P Jordan C Gormley (0-1) D Harte (1-1)
C Lyng (0-5) PJ Banville (0-1) M Forde (1-5)
C Gourley Justy Mc Mahon R Mc Menamin
J Devine
Red barry scored two points against armagh
Quote from: Gaffer on August 18, 2008, 09:47:37 PM
Wonder what Micky s belief in Mugsy is at the moment. Only gave him 2 minutes on Saturday. I feel that if he is looking to him for the next match ( or 2) he would have taken the opportunty to give him more playing time!!!
I'd definitely start Mulligan against Wexford. He is like a caged animal at the moment.
Quote from: boro on August 18, 2008, 10:21:14 PM
Red barry scored two points against armagh
Ta, now corrected.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 18, 2008, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 18, 2008, 09:47:37 PM
Wonder what Micky s belief in Mugsy is at the moment. Only gave him 2 minutes on Saturday. I feel that if he is looking to him for the next match ( or 2) he would have taken the opportunty to give him more playing time!!!
I'd definitely start Mulligan against Wexford. He is like a caged animal at the moment.
Yeah I'd like to see him get a full game but there is no way MH could possibly drop any of the front 6, but how lucky are we to have the players of caliber like mugsy, penrose and mulgrew chomping at the bit to get into the action!! Training must be ferocious!
Joe McMahon could well drop back into the midfield to accomodate a mugsy return, however, Joe's role on saturday was great for him now that he is flying fit again.
Will be very interesting to see how Mulligan starts off when he gets some decent playing time, will it be from the off? When the game is half over? Or when Tyrone are down a couple points?
Depending on his form, starting him might be a better option.
By the way - what are we doing about the beards?
I mean it was a big thing, and we won and are now in an all ireland semi final... Im superstitious like that, so Ive continued shaving every day, and will endeavour to do my best between now and the wexford game...
Are yiz men or hairy mice? All beard growers must maintain facial hair status for us to progress!
Quote from: Puckoon on August 19, 2008, 02:52:41 AM
By the way - what are we doing about the beards?
I mean it was a big thing, and we won and are now in an all ireland final... Im superstitious like that, so Ive continued shaving every day, and will endeavour to do my best between now and the wexford game...
Are yiz men or hairy mice? All beard growers must maintain facial hair status for us to progress!
Tis bumfluff at the minute :(
Quote from: Puckoon on August 19, 2008, 02:52:41 AM
By the way - what are we doing about the beards?
I mean it was a big thing, and we won and are now in an all ireland final... Im superstitious like that, so Ive continued shaving every day, and will endeavour to do my best between now and the wexford game...
Are yiz men or hairy mice? All beard growers must maintain facial hair status for us to progress!
You might want to edit that Puckoon. I'm sure it was a genuine mistake ;)
First of all congratulations to the bearded wonders from Tyrone - a really top notch display but lets put it like this the Dublin performance was that of a team that refuses to play in rain and in physical games. It scared me how very little they are prepared to do to win. I think bar three or 4 of that team the rest should be given their P45s along with Caffrey. Theres too much scar tissue built up. Looking at the draws and without any intended disrespect I suspect that there will be a double Tyrone Kerry all Ireland final with minors and seniors playing this out. Tyrone heads need to be kept down and focussed but they should get there and anything can happen in an AIfinal. I would still love to see O Neill back as I think he would be needed for Tyrone to take Kerry. But for the moment respect to mickey for taking this team back to a level for a shot at Sam.
When Wexford were 11 points down agaianst Meath, did they think they would end up here. When Tyrone were struggling against Down , did they think they had a prayer. All I know is that whoever wins this semifianl will undoubtedly be massive underdogs to either the holders or a team that has beaten the holders twice this season.
As for Tyrone V Wexford. Will Ricey pick up Matty forde.
cnt see John Devine starting the semi final
he fkd up under the high ball on saturday - wexford are useful at high balls into Forde
id say that McConnell will be brought back in as he is slightly better under the high ball.
for this reason i also think that Justin will pick up forde.
Would be suprised if Gormley doesnt pick up Forde. Its important though that we dont forget about Banville,Lyng and Barry who are all very good players to.
I'd actually earmark Gourley for the job. The likes of Ricey and Gormley are needed in terms of generating momentum and sacrificing Gourley is not a big dent in Tyrone's gameplan. Forde's not the only man that needs a-watching though.
Devine/McConnell is a close one but Devine's intelligent kick-outs have been a major aspect to Tyrone's success this year.
Has the throw in time been confirmed yet? im trying to book my flight!
Slight variation on the theme: as they might line out against each other, and what each has scored in total over the last two games:
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
T Mc Guigan (0-4 2f) S Cavanagh (1-6 2f) C Mc Cullagh (0-5 1f)
A Morrissey D Murphy C Morris
Joe Mc Mahon (1-1) B Mc Guigan B Dooher (0-4)
E Bradley B Doyle
E Mc Ginley (0-2) C Holmes
R Barry (0-4) P Colfer (0-1) C Byrne (0-1)
P Jordan C Gormley (0-1) D Harte (1-2)
C Lyng (1-6 5f) PJ Banville (1-2) M Forde (1-12 7f & 1'45' & 1sl)
C Gourley Justy Mc Mahon R Mc Menamin (0-1)
J Devine
Wouldn't be surprised if Packie were to start this one -- the aerial threat will be a big one I'd say, and he's better equipped, but Devine's kickouts are definitely finer honed.
Wexford definitely have fewer scoring options throughout the field (none from midfiield back) it would seem, and they'd appear to be much more reliant on frees, so defensive discipline on our part will be critical, though their forward unit are well capable of taking scores from play.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 19, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Has the throw in time been confirmed yet? im trying to book my flight!
Definitely on the 31st, with the Minors on first -- you wouldn't be too far wrong were you to aim for 1:00 pm in Croke, for both games.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 19, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Has the throw in time been confirmed yet? im trying to book my flight!
Tickets are up on ticketmaster.ie now. It's saying a 2pm throw-in for the Senior game. From that, I'd say 12.30pm for the Minors.
dilema
aer lingus can get me in at 9 am, but leave on the way out at 7 which will be tight for a 4pm thrown in
Ryan air gets me in at 12 and back at 20.00 which means any delay would be tight for a 2pm throw in
feck
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 19, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Has the throw in time been confirmed yet? im trying to book my flight!
3.30
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 19, 2008, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 19, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Has the throw in time been confirmed yet? im trying to book my flight!
3.30
can I ask where you got that info from?
Just so I can use it on my insurance claim!
Thought Gourley did ok in the second half the other day but got skinned a few times in the 1st by Quinn. Wouldnt rate Quinn in the same class as Forde so would worry about Gourley on him. PJ Quinn could actually be challenging Gourley for his position the next day. There's strong competition for places entering the next game but Harte will find it difficult to drop anyone after Saturday.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 19, 2008, 09:16:26 PM
Thought Gourley did ok in the second half the other day but got skinned a few times in the 1st by Quinn. Wouldnt rate Quinn in the same class as Forde so would worry about Gourley on him. PJ Quinn could actually be challenging Gourley for his position the next day. There's strong competition for places entering the next game but Harte will find it difficult to drop anyone after Saturday.
Also thought Gourley got abit of a run around first half Saturday, although he did improve well second half.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2008, 08:05:17 PM
Slight variation on the theme: as they might line out against each other, and what each has scored in total over the last two games:
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
T Mc Guigan (0-4 2f) S Cavanagh (1-6 2f) C Mc Cullagh (0-5 1f)
A Morrissey D Murphy C Morris
Joe Mc Mahon (1-1) B Mc Guigan B Dooher (0-4)
E Bradley B Doyle
E Mc Ginley (0-2) C Holmes
R Barry (0-4) P Colfer (0-1) C Byrne (0-1)
P Jordan C Gormley (0-1) D Harte (1-2)
C Lyng (1-6 5f) PJ Banville (1-2) M Forde (1-12 7f & 1'45' & 1sl)
C Gourley Justy Mc Mahon R Mc Menamin (0-1)
J Devine
Wouldn't be surprised if Packie were to start this one -- the aerial threat will be a big one I'd say, and he's better equipped, but Devine's kickouts are definitely finer honed.
Wexford definitely have fewer scoring options throughout the field (none from midfiield back) it would seem, and they'd appear to be much more reliant on frees, so defensive discipline on our part will be critical, though their forward unit are well capable of taking scores from play.
A Masterson
D Walsh P Wallace B Malone
A Morrissey (0-3) D Murphy C Morris (0-1)
E Bradley (0-3) B Doyle (0-1)
R Barry (1-8) P Colfer (0-2) C Byrne (0-2)
C Lyng (1-15) PJ Banville (2-5) M Forde (1-24)
This is what the wexford team that started against armagh have scored in their five championship games so far. Thats a pretty dangerous full-forward line.
Quote from: boro on August 19, 2008, 10:42:19 PM
...Thats a pretty dangerous full-forward line.
We'll just have to keep the ball away from them then ;)
QuoteC Lyng (1-15) PJ Banville (2-5) M Forde (1-24)
This is what the wexford team that started against armagh have scored in their five championship games so far. Thats a pretty dangerous full-forward line.
Fecking right. any man that says Wexford are a 1 man team knows sh*t all about football. Tyrone beware! Mind you their woman are mad for it! ;)
Lads you just don't drop players of Gourley's quality because he had an average half in extremely slippery conditions. We know what Ciaran can do on any given day and has put in two sound performances recently. The same people would call on Davy Harte to be dropped because they can only see the odd error and miss the quality work he gets through. Gourley can do a job on Forde, he's his type of player. As pointed out above, Forde's reputation is an excellent weapon for Wexford as it allows those less acclaimed around him to do the damage. PJ Quinn had absolutely no experience at this level and stage and against a player of Forde's cuteness it could be a chronic mistake. If Mickey decides to throw him in it's because he trusts him, although I'd doubt he'd take the chance. Jordan v Barry could be the clinker match-up.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 19, 2008, 08:36:50 PM
dilema
aer lingus can get me in at 9 am, but leave on the way out at 7 which will be tight for a 4pm thrown in
Ryan air gets me in at 12 and back at 20.00 which means any delay would be tight for a 2pm throw in
feck
Aren't AL prices the same for one-way now? Else just book the Ryanair one as well.
Why would you move Ricey? Ricey has had a great run of games. I can't see why Ricey would not start at 2. I don't think Harte will move Ricey any more than I think Ryan will move Forde. If things are not working out then move him but until then it is not broke. Ricey is smart enough to get forward when the time is right.
Move Ricey? Did you watch the game on Saturday? He played a large chunk of the game alternating between half back and corner back, shadowing Sherlock who was named at 11 but moved in after Brogan exited. He also had spells on both Brogans and Vaughan. Mickey doesn't pick a side and insist they stay there throughout the game. In fact, Harte's probably the prime example of not adhering to that.
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2008, 07:59:30 PM
I'd actually earmark Gourley for the job. The likes of Ricey and Gormley are needed in terms of generating momentum and sacrificing Gourley is not a big dent in Tyrone's gameplan. Forde's not the only man that needs a-watching though.
Devine/McConnell is a close one but Devine's intelligent kick-outs have been a major aspect to Tyrone's success this year.
I agree but it should be done as the game progresses rather than seting out instructions for Gourley to pick up Forde. Forde is not the only man in the Wexford attack capable of great things. I don't think there is call for choping and changing for the sake of Forde. Let Wexford play their game and Tyrone play theirs. There should be no reason Ricey can't help "generate momentum" while picking up Forde. Attack when you can and defend when you need to.
if there is any justice wexford will be playing in the all ireland final.
forde to leave mc kanckerman on his ass on to getting player of the year.
Quoteif there is any justice wexford will be playing in the all ireland final.
forde to leave mc kanckerman on his ass on to getting player of the year.
What? Justice, what are you on about? Does getting hammered in your provincial final entitle you to receive a sympathy vote and a place in the All Ireland final?
I wouldn't rise to him nrico. He's been winding none stop.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2008, 11:29:44 AM
Quoteif there is any justice wexford will be playing in the all ireland final.
forde to leave mc kanckerman on his ass on to getting player of the year.
What? Justice, what are you on about? Does getting hammered in your provincial final entitle you to receive a sympathy vote and a place in the All Ireland final?
justice to see the most negative gaelic football team of the 21st century getting beat.a shame dublin wernt up to it.
Quote from: smcafee on August 20, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2008, 11:29:44 AM
Quoteif there is any justice wexford will be playing in the all ireland final.
forde to leave mc kanckerman on his ass on to getting player of the year.
What? Justice, what are you on about? Does getting hammered in your provincial final entitle you to receive a sympathy vote and a place in the All Ireland final?
justice to see the most negative gaelic football team of the 21st century getting beat.a shame dublin wernt up to it.
They were shameful alright ! A bit like Wexford in the Leinster "showpiece" !! ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Just shameful !!! ;D ;D
Agreed Orangeman.
Quotejustice to see the most negative gaelic football team of the 21st century getting beat.a shame dublin wernt up to it.
It's a shame that your mother or school teacher didn't encourage you to spell properly!
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Agreed Orangeman.
Quotejustice to see the most negative gaelic football team of the 21st century getting beat.a shame dublin wernt up to it.
It's a shame that your mother or school teacher didn't encourage you to spell properly!
oh my god the grammer police are out.
watch your back nrico.
Wexford ace Matty Forde has given his side a real boost by declaring that he will be one hundred per cent fit for Sunday week's All-Ireland senior football semi-final with Tyrone.
The Kilanerin clubman had carried a niggling hamstring injury into both the Down and Armagh games is happy with the progress.
Forde said: 'Everything is moving in the right direction. I have received intensive treatement on the injury and it's coming along nicely. There's not doubt but that I will be one hundred per cent for the semi-final.'
No excuses then !
Quote from: orangeman on August 20, 2008, 12:34:49 PM
Wexford ace Matty Forde has given his side a real boost by declaring that he will be one hundred per cent fit for Sunday week's All-Ireland senior football semi-final with Tyrone.
The Kilanerin clubman had carried a niggling hamstring injury into both the Down and Armagh games is happy with the progress.
Forde said: 'Everything is moving in the right direction. I have received intensive treatement on the injury and it's coming along nicely. There's not doubt but that I will be one hundred per cent for the semi-final.'
No excuses then !
No excuses needed orangeman, trust me the yella bellies are well up for this game
Quote from: boro on August 20, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 20, 2008, 12:34:49 PM
Wexford ace Matty Forde has given his side a real boost by declaring that he will be one hundred per cent fit for Sunday week's All-Ireland senior football semi-final with Tyrone.
The Kilanerin clubman had carried a niggling hamstring injury into both the Down and Armagh games is happy with the progress.
Forde said: 'Everything is moving in the right direction. I have received intensive treatement on the injury and it's coming along nicely. There's not doubt but that I will be one hundred per cent for the semi-final.'
No excuses then !
No excuses needed orangeman, trust me the yella bellies are well up for this game
Great !
justice to see the most negative gaelic football team of the 21st century getting beat.a shame dublin wernt up to it.
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McAfee what the f**k game did you watch last week. You obviously haven't a clue if you say Tyrone are/were negative. Their play was breathtaking at times! You say a shame Dublin weren't up for it, if they weren't up for an allireland quarter final that they were hotly fancied for against Tyrone then they shouldn't bother playing next year at all as these are the games you have to be up for. As a Down man I say good luck to Tyrone I thought they were immense last week and I'd personally love to see them make the final as if Wexford made it to the final and had to face Kerry I fear they would collapse...sorry 'implode'!!
Tyrone's Davy Harte does not think that his side should be going into their All-Ireland semi-final clash with Wexford as 'overwhelming favourites'.
The Red Hands' defender believes that Jason Ryan's men are going to cause a stern test for Tyrone to reach their first All-Ireland decider since 2005 and admits that there can be no room for complacency against a side whom have already eliminate to Ulster teams from the Championship
"Wexford have an inspirational young manager who has maybe created new enthusiasm for their team," said Harte. "They are in an All-Ireland semi-final on merit, they've some great footballers and seem to have a great work ethic installed in them.
"Wexford aren't coming to an All-Ireland semi-final to lie down, and I don't think you can have any room for complacency."
Davy, who is the son of team manager Mickey Harte, has looked to disassociate his side with being favourites for the last four clash against this year's Leinster finalists.
"To be honest, I don't see why we should go in as overwhelming favourites," said Harte. Down knocked us out of the Ulster Championship and then they lost to Wexford, and Wexford beat Armagh. I don't think you can under estimate a Wexford team under any circumstances.
If Tyrone can overcome Wexford, and Kerry can avenge their defeat to Cork in this year's Munster SFC final, then they will set up a repeat of the classic All-Ireland decider of 2005 where Mickey Harte's men overcame the Kingdom to capture their second ever All-Ireland title.
"Davy, who is the son of team manager Mickey Harte"... eh?
Quote from: orangeman on August 20, 2008, 01:16:30 PM
Tyrone's Davy Harte does not think that his side should be going into their All-Ireland semi-final clash with Wexford as 'overwhelming favourites'.
The Red Hands' defender believes that Jason Ryan's men are going to cause a stern test for Tyrone to reach their first All-Ireland decider since 2005 and admits that there can be no room for complacency against a side whom have already eliminate to Ulster teams from the Championship
"Wexford have an inspirational young manager who has maybe created new enthusiasm for their team," said Harte. "They are in an All-Ireland semi-final on merit, they've some great footballers and seem to have a great work ethic installed in them.
"Wexford aren't coming to an All-Ireland semi-final to lie down, and I don't think you can have any room for complacency."
Davy, who is the son of team manager Mickey Harte, has looked to disassociate his side with being favourites for the last four clash against this year's Leinster finalists.
"To be honest, I don't see why we should go in as overwhelming favourites," said Harte. Down knocked us out of the Ulster Championship and then they lost to Wexford, and Wexford beat Armagh. I don't think you can under estimate a Wexford team under any circumstances.
If Tyrone can overcome Wexford, and Kerry can avenge their defeat to Cork in this year's Munster SFC final, then they will set up a repeat of the classic All-Ireland decider of 2005 where Mickey Harte's men overcame the Kingdom to capture their second ever All-Ireland title.
Do they know something we don't ???
Good piece of journalism again !
I heard that rumour! Supposedly Mickey and Davys ma had a thing but she and her husband passed him off as their own ;)!!
Where is that from Ziggy?
Right Ziggy et al
Ive my flights sorted, anyone about for "Breakfast" from about 9.30 onwards on the 31st?
Quote from: ziggysego on August 20, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 20, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Where is that from Ziggy?
Wasn't me that posted it.
But you're the all knowing all seeing Ziggy!!
Apologies to both :-[
Quote from: Zapatista on August 20, 2008, 02:08:42 PM
But you're the all knowing all seeing Ziggy!!
I get enough stick about the house for that, don't you start Zap ;)
I have heard that Wexford training is going very well for this game. In fact my Wexford compatriot expects that they can outscore Tyrone. Should be a cracker.
QuoteIn fact my Wexford compatriot expects that they can outscore Tyrone.
If they didn't expect to there'd be little point in turning up! ;)
Devine
Ricey - Justin - Gourley
Nephew - Block - Model
Enda - Sherlock
Hoover - Snout - Joe90
Tommy - Sean - McCullagh
Anyone feel Mickey is thinking something else?
Snout? Am I missing something obvious?
I remember a boyo from the shore telling me that's what he's known as down there. Also believe Justin is the Milky Bar kid but not 100% validated.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2008, 11:18:53 PM
I remember a boyo from the shore telling me that's what he's known as down there. Also believe Justin is the Milky Bar kid but not 100% validated.
That's one of them ! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2008, 10:56:38 PM
Devine
Ricey - Justin - Gourley
Nephew - Block - Model
Enda - Sherlock
Hoover - Snout - Joe90
Tommy - Sean - McCullagh
Anyone feel Mickey is thinking something else?
If Colm Cavanagh is fit and joins that team you would have 3 sets of brothers in arms. Could be dire straiits for most opposition?
I stand to be corrected, but I vaguely remember once upon a time Joey, probably when he played MacRory, had the nickname Moses - which is more than apt now
The one and only All-Ireland Football final I was at was Tyrone's win in 2005. (Been at a few hurling) It was the best atmosphere I witnessed as a neutral in croker for hurling or football. Tyrone fans after were savage craic too. I'll be hoping the 2nd ever AI football final I go to will involve my own county of Wexford. We have a great chance IMO and hold no fear of Tyrone. I was there on that fateful day in Portlaoise when we beat em in the League Semi in 05. Never forget it.
QuoteI was there on that fateful day in Portlaoise when we beat em in the League Semi in 05. Never forget it.
Me either. Wettest conditions ever. As far as I recall every other game had been cancelled that day.
Quote from: D4S on August 20, 2008, 01:24:09 PM
I heard that rumour! Supposedly Mickey and Davys ma had a thing but she and her husband passed him off as their own ;)!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D
And Mark Harte is the Milkmans thats why he never had the same chances on the county team - Always away helping his da on the milk run. :o :D ;D ;)
Assuming the report is true that Seán Cavanagh has heard Mickey Harte raise his voice more in the last six months than he had in the six years previous, then what an ingenious way to banish any thoughts of the 'Same Voice Syndrome' -- Mickey thinking outside of the box again, what a man.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Assuming the report is true that Seán Cavanagh has heard Mickey Harte raise his voice more in the last six months than he had in the six years previous, then what an ingenious way to banish any thoughts of the 'Same Voice Syndrome' -- Mickey thinking outside of the box again, what a man.
I think he meant raised his voice in a high pitched way since Stevie O'Neill aparrently has him by the balls ;)
I wonder is Stevie beginning to regret his 'retirement'????
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Assuming the report is true that Seán Cavanagh has heard Mickey Harte raise his voice more in the last six months than he had in the six years previous, then what an ingenious way to banish any thoughts of the 'Same Voice Syndrome' -- Mickey thinking outside of the box again, what a man.
I think he meant raised his voice in a high pitched way since Stevie O'Neill aparrently has him by the balls ;)
Stevie wouldn't do such a thing - a very quiet lad who doesn't court controversy.
I think he means metaphorically!
Have you heard what he's done to Doohers voice on the field
Feeding the Ba here.
He cries like a Dub.
Wife has hidden his Tyrone jersey
Is anybody else worried about this one I cant help feeling we are being set up for a fall!! we were excellent against Dublin but it is very hard to reproduce that all the time. I would be happy to get over this any way we can. I cant see Mickey changing the team around though perhaps mcguigan might start where he finished in a deep role if wexford play a sweeper.
Quote from: Pikeman on August 21, 2008, 02:57:30 PM
The one and only All-Ireland Football final I was at was Tyrone's win in 2005. (Been at a few hurling) It was the best atmosphere I witnessed as a neutral in croker for hurling or football. Tyrone fans after were savage craic too. I'll be hoping the 2nd ever AI football final I go to will involve my own county of Wexford. We have a great chance IMO and hold no fear of Tyrone. I was there on that fateful day in Portlaoise when we beat em in the League Semi in 05. Never forget it.
You better fear Tyrone, they are a powerful side, full of running and excellent support play, they will take the game to you and they will beat you by playing open, attractive football, they will do to you what we failed to do, and that is play positively and play to win. Armagh let you off the hook because we played two of our forwards in the half back line. Tyrone will not make the same mistake.
I hope Tyrone win this game if only because I think the final against Kerry could be one for the ages should Tyrone advance, and they are the only team imo that will test Kerry.
I am disgusted at Armagh's tactics, I think we will rue the day we didnt give Grimley a shot at the senior team.
Prediction. Tyrone 2-15-Wexford 0-11.
Any few razors sent up to tyrone since the Dublin game? lets hope they come down the road sunday next a bit cleaner than the last day. (one
M Harte may be excused as usual !) ;D
Quote from: Radioulster on August 24, 2008, 06:25:02 PM
Is anybody else worried about this one I cant help feeling we are being set up for a fall!! we were excellent against Dublin but it is very hard to reproduce that all the time. I would be happy to get over this any way we can.
Exactly how I feel but I'm a pessimist by nature - you're never disappointed that way. Tyrone are in an awkward position. They produced a clinical performance right out of the blue and country reckon 'they're back'! Wexford have absolutely nothing to lose - they have redeemed themselves after the Leinster final debacle and are the last Leinster side standing. Of course, they'll burst a gut trying to reach the final but have no pressure on them to do so from fans and media. Unfortunately, Tyrone do have that pressure, simply because of the Dublin game reigniting the flames of 03/05.
I expect Mickey to guard against complacency. Videos of Meath 07, Down 08, Armagh/Wexford 08 etc should be enough to shake the squad into the realisation of what it takes to reach an AIF. The victories over Armagh and Kerry in the semis of 05/03 were monumental in terms of effort. Same again required. Before the Dublin game, we hadn't put in a high-class performance in Croke since 2005. Mickey was in this situation in both 03/05. We mauled Fermanagh in the quarters in 03 and fairly blew Dublin away in 05.
I'm still remembering the performance against Donegal last year. A lot of similarities, underdogs, playing a team in great form and pulling out all the stops for a mighty performance. Then we were terrible against Meath.
I am relying on the fact that Brian Dooher is an extremely greedy wee man! Any mortal with 2 AI medals and his injury list would be long retired. I reckon Wexford will put a marker on him like Mayo did, if I was Wex I would also not be afraid to give away frees, we can score from play but miss plenty of frees at times.
QuoteExactly how I feel but I'm a pessimist by nature - you're never disappointed that way. Tyrone are in an awkward position.
grow some balls.....wuss
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 24, 2008, 11:28:40 PM
I'm still remembering the performance against Donegal last year. A lot of similarities, underdogs, playing a team in great form and pulling out all the stops for a mighty performance. Then we were terrible against Meath.
In between we won the Ulster title!
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 24, 2008, 11:28:40 PM
I'm still remembering the performance against Donegal last year. A lot of similarities, underdogs, playing a team in great form and pulling out all the stops for a mighty performance. Then we were terrible against Meath.
In between we won the Ulster title!
Indeed. So we will beat Wexford then and be crap in the final?
Nah don't think so, could be a real dawn this year!!
Well based on whoever gets through this game, they wouldn't have much bother getting past Cork or Kerry based on today's game.
I am less sure of the Tyrone victory this time round, than I was against Dublin.
It's almost impossible to guard against complacency. No matter what Mickey says, or the players tell themselves, they and everyone else will subconsciously assume a seamless continuation from the final whistle against Dublin. Experience also shows that teams very rarely produce two excellent performances in a row. It seems to be a law of nature. The 'bounce effect', as they call it in racing, is real - much more so in football than racing. It's insidious and more often than not fatal to a team's chances.
I think everything is set up in Wexford's favour for Sunday. I nearly always base my bets on stats and precedent rather than form. You mighty say the stats show Wexford haven't appeared in an AIF for nearly a century, but the bounce effect precedent is strong enough for me to have few bob on the yellabellies.
As much as I want Tyrone to win, as long as someone stops that Kerry outfit Im happy enough. For me the most important thing is that we win playing outstanding football as we did last week. Someone has to be the benchmark of top class Gaelic Football. Come on Tyrone keep setting the standards - I think Gaelic Football needs a new hero after a shambolic couple of years. Come on Wexford and Tyrone lest rise to the challenge and may the best team win.
Went on to ticketmaster this morning to get tickets and none were available ... was on last week but wasn't happy with what was available, so decided to wait ... i take it more will be released for sale later today ... anybody know?
Quote from: red hander on August 25, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
Went on to ticketmaster this morning to get tickets and none were available ... was on last week but wasn't happy with what was available, so decided to wait ... i take it more will be released for sale later today ... anybody know?
Looks like they sorting out the tickets for the triple bill now and sorting out the tickets for cork and kerry. They will be available soon id say once they make the announcement
Quote from: Davitt Man on August 25, 2008, 10:43:07 AM
Quote from: red hander on August 25, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
Went on to ticketmaster this morning to get tickets and none were available ... was on last week but wasn't happy with what was available, so decided to wait ... i take it more will be released for sale later today ... anybody know?
Looks like they sorting out the tickets for the triple bill now and sorting out the tickets for cork and kerry. They will be available soon id say once they make the announcement
I'd say there won't be many decent tickets for sale on ticketmaster this week. I'd say they'll all be in the clouds due to the obvious demand that has now been created by the triple header.
Original post was before i knew about the replay being put on the bill ... tickets still not up for sale but id say that'll change later today probably
Sorted ... four in top deck of Cusack on halfway line ... CMON TYRONE!
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2008, 09:21:04 AM
It's almost impossible to guard against complacency. No matter what Mickey says, or the players tell themselves, they and everyone else will subconsciously assume a seamless continuation from the final whistle against Dublin. Experience also shows that teams very rarely produce two excellent performances in a row. It seems to be a law of nature. The 'bounce effect', as they call it in racing, is real - much more so in football than racing. It's insidious and more often than not fatal to a team's chances.
I think everything is set up in Wexford's favour for Sunday. I nearly always base my bets on stats and precedent rather than form. You mighty say the stats show Wexford haven't appeared in an AIF for nearly a century, but the bounce effect precedent is strong enough for me to have few bob on the yellabellies.
Very true Hardy though Wexford have had two good victories in a row and are entitled to "bounce" too. I'd like to draw parallels with '03 when Tyrone excelled against Fermanagh and then raised themselves again against Kerry in the semi-final. There is no doubt that Wexford (like Kerry in '03) will be a serious challenge.
I agree with rrhf, it's up to Tyrone and Wexford to restore some pride in football, after the shambles yesterday.
The bookies', pundits' and neutrals' favourites all point at Tyrone, but they were all pointing at the wrong team last weekend. Only the people of Tyrone well sure of the real result.
Anyway, I can see this being another classic game of football. A Tyrone team proving they've still got what it takes and a Wexford team proving that they aren't the flash-in-the-pan team of 2008.
Expect exciting football, expect good football and assure, expect a much closer game than the Dublin game. It's a game for the taking for either of the two teams. I strong suspect that Sam will be resting with the winners of this side in 08/09.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2008, 04:47:09 PM
I agree with rrhf, it's up to Tyrone and Wexford to restore some pride in football, after the shambles yesterday.
The bookies', pundits' and neutrals' favourites all point at Tyrone, but they were all pointing at the wrong team last weekend. Only the people of Tyrone well sure of the real result.
Anyway, I can see this being another classic game of football. A Tyrone team proving they've still got what it takes and a Wexford team proving that they aren't the flash-in-the-pan team of 2008.
Expect exciting football, expect good football and assure, expect a much closer game than the Dublin game. It's a game for the taking for either of the two teams. I strong suspect that Sam will be resting with the winners of this side in 08/09.
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If Wexford beat Tyrone, they won't beat Kerry ( who will beat Cork on Sunday ) ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2008, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2008, 04:47:09 PM
I agree with rrhf, it's up to Tyrone and Wexford to restore some pride in football, after the shambles yesterday.
The bookies', pundits' and neutrals' favourites all point at Tyrone, but they were all pointing at the wrong team last weekend. Only the people of Tyrone well sure of the real result.
Anyway, I can see this being another classic game of football. A Tyrone team proving they've still got what it takes and a Wexford team proving that they aren't the flash-in-the-pan team of 2008.
Expect exciting football, expect good football and assure, expect a much closer game than the Dublin game. It's a game for the taking for either of the two teams. I strong suspect that Sam will be resting with the winners of this side in 08/09.
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If Wexford beat Tyrone, they won't beat Kerry ( who will beat Cork on Sunday ) ! ;)
Sure we wont beat Tyrone either ;)
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2008, 05:13:28 PM
If Wexford beat Tyrone, they won't beat Kerry ( who will beat Cork on Sunday ) ! ;)
I wouldn't write them off yet. Did you expect them to be in the semis at the beginning of the year? Did you expect them to bounce back after the defeat to Dublin?
Wexford have a lot more to give and if they make the final, there'll be no stopping them.
feckers broke my car flag, thats the second inside a week
Pat McEneney :-\
Pat reffed our defeat to Down but I think he's a good ref, especially for the latter stages of the Championship.
QuotePat McEneney Undecided
He's a draw expert. If it's anyway close coming into the last 5 mins he takes the handy way out. All the bookies cut the odds on a draw when Pat gets the nod.
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 25, 2008, 06:51:38 PM
Pat McEneney :-\
Whistler for this Sunday ???
Tis, I suppose it could be worse. From memory it's only the drawn Armagh game in 2005 that I'd have taken hombrage with him
Indeed, could be worse, especially given that Canavan's gone ;)
Yer right, Pat didnt do Peter the Great many favours over the years, and he is fond of the draw.
And he had a shocker in Newry when McCartan was hangin off big Sean for the full 90.
I've seen it all now :D
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/Dooher.pdf (http://www.takeyourpoints.com/Dooher.pdf)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2008, 10:15:16 PM
I've seen it all now :D
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/Dooher.pdf (http://www.takeyourpoints.com/Dooher.pdf)
What is this about ??
Wear the Dooher marks to Croke Park, to support Tyrone....
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
Wear the Dooher marks to Croke Park, to support Tyrone....
Do we really have to ??? ;)
Any word of tickets by the way ?
How many are Tyrone taking ?
God knows Orangeman, Cork threw a spanner in the works yesterday with their late come back. I'd say Tyrone will be sizeable number, with the minors also involved. Whatever it is, I'm sure there'll be enough to go round.
QuoteAny word of tickets by the way ?
How many are Tyrone taking ?
What with Ticketba$tard now it's hard to tell as many ppl opt to buy online and get better seats than the lottery that is club distribution. Won't be a sell out but will 70k+ I'd expect.
Ticketmaster are selling tickets alright but they're in the clouds !
I reckon 70+ as well - with quite a few of the Cork / Kerry contingent leaving after their game is over ! ;)
Probably leaving before their game is over ;)
It is ridiculous expecting Tyrone fans who come for the minor game to have to sit and watch the toiletbrush pukefest that is Munster football before seeing their all-attacking senior team take on Wexford. They should give out vomit bags during the Kerry-Cork game.
It it ridiculous and Kerry will beat Cork by a good 10 points on Sunday, so a mismatch it will be, but all who stay to the end will be glad they did as Tyrone and Wexford save Gaelic Football.
Quote from: under the bar on August 26, 2008, 04:48:38 PM
It is ridiculous expecting Tyrone fans who come for the minor game to have to sit and watch the toiletbrush pukefest that is Munster football before seeing their all-attacking senior team take on Wexford. They should give out vomit bags during the Kerry-Cork game.
Don't call Kerry and Cork women that - it's not nice ! ;)
bought some family tickets for the game on ticketmaster today in the cusack upper deck, considering my last to attendances to support down and armagh( getting soaked at both) I1m happy to be upper deck cusack
btw will support the tyronnies in the hope that having supported armagh and down against wexford I can make it 3 in a row with tyrone also getting bate altho I hope someone puts matty on his arse and gives him something to complain about
consider it done ;)
Have liked what I have seen of this fellow this year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/gaelic-football/ready-to-step-out-of-the-shadows-1463103.html
Seems like a good all round sportsman as well, though 3m20cm is poor enough pole-vaulting!
Nerves starting to build. The enormity of the occasion is beginning to hit home.
At the start of the year had Tyrone supporters been told that they would be playing Wexford in an All Ireland semi final they would have taken the arm of ye. Nobody is looking past Wexford but truth be told if we were to loose on Sunday it would be a major disappointment. As we have seen from the Dublin game Tyrone have ot in them to play very well but we have also seen them play fairly patchy stuff. Tyrone probably didn't get enough credit for beating mayo. had Tommy McGuigan got his shooting boots on we could have been well in control of that game. Whilst Mayo fowards missed quite a few scores themselves, they are still a good team and were a good scalp to take. Tyrone seem to be building nicely but they will have to build on any progress on Sunday.
Wexford played a bit similar to Westmeath and against Armagh they played the sweeper in front of Armagh's front two. I didn't see the other games Wexford played this year but I'm not sure if they will play like this against us. Westmeath made us work very hard for our win and only for the sendings off things could have been tighter. Wexford will be dogged, they will tackle harder than Dublin, will give our forwards less space and look very fit so they will continue to the end. Their midfield are big and can catch a ball. They present a different kind of obstacle than the Dublin midfield in that they look less mobile but can win clean possession. As in all games this sector is very important. One thing Tyrone have that I'm not sure Armagh possessed is pace in the half back line. Armagh time and again got possession to their FF line but they had little support from the HF or HB lines. Tyrone are much better at getting up in support. Tyrone also have a better man on the line and I'm not sure if Mickey harte would have let Wexford constantly win possession from short kick outs.
A focused Tyrone working hard for each other should win this game but any thing is possible in a game of football. I'll leave it up to Mickey Harte to work out tactics. I'm sure young Ryan will have some of his own to counter Tyrone.
Somebody has posted here that the hill is closed for Sunday !
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While I would expect a Tyrone win, based not least on their Dublin job, I wonder is there a potential banana skin here because of:
1. Expectations.
2. Unpredictability of Wexford and lack of championship form to guide.
3. Wexford have not a thing to lose.
4. The risk of thinking either lets finish Kerry once and for all, or we'll ate Cork, in the final.
Its a cliche but its 15v15 and over 70 minutes with the same O'Neills ball.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 26, 2008, 10:46:56 PM
While I would expect a Tyrone win, based not least on their Dublin job, I wonder is there a potential banana skin here because of:
1. Expectations.
2. Unpredictability of Wexford and lack of championship form to guide.
3. Wexford have not a thing to lose.
4. The risk of thinking either lets finish Kerry once and for all, or we'll ate Cork, in the final.
Its a cliche but its 15v15 and over 70 minutes with the same O'Neills ball.
same field and same ref too!
Who will mark Matty Forde? Will it be Gormley or McMahon?
The difference between Armagh and Tyrone which Wexford will find is that Tyrone have a good HF line. Pace in the HB line could be a factor but there aren't many more pacy half backs than Aaaron Kernan. There will also be that they can't leave that man in the FB line spare as they will need to track McCullagh(the one of the FF line who will play out a bit)
All in all though this is a massive banana skin for Tyrone and if I were a Tyronie I'd be nervous...
AN other vs Forde, Jordan vs Barry and Banville vs whoever should be interesting challenges. I don't think Gourley would have the pace for Banville.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 26, 2008, 11:08:08 PM
Who will mark Matty Forde? Will it be Gormley or McMahon?
The difference between Armagh and Tyrone which Wexford will find is that Tyrone have a good HF line. Pace in the HB line could be a factor but there aren't many more pacy half backs than Aaaron Kernan. There will also be that they can't leave that man in the FB line spare as they will need to track McCullagh(the one of the FF line who will play out a bit)
All in all though this is a massive banana skin for Tyrone and if I were a Tyronie I'd be nervous...
AN other vs Forde, Jordan vs Barry and Banville vs whoever should be interesting challenges. I don't think Gourley would have the pace for Banville.
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potential massive banana skin !
Haha - typo but here's hoping you say!
I hope you win but I have one of those feelings about this game...
Wonder what odds on a Cork - Wexford final. Was telling a boy in work there it's a good outside bet.
The most positive aspect so far is that almost everyone is saying that this will be tough for Tyrone and that an upset is more than possible. Tyrone will not be complacent.
I don't see complacency being an issue here at all, quite the reverse. Plus the clean sheet with injuries.
Dooher on the bench:
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
I don't see complacency being an issue here at all, quite the reverse. Plus the clean sheet with injuries.
Jaysus a clean sheet is pushing it a bit.
As I said before the Dublin game, I was more worried about meeting Wexford than I was about meeting Dublin.
This one won't be easy for the O'Neill County, but cool heads will hopefully see us through. Wexford are the on form team, of what's left and they won't be listening to the pundits and bookies. It's their for the taking.... and they just might take it ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2008, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
I don't see complacency being an issue here at all, quite the reverse. Plus the clean sheet with injuries.
Jaysus a clean sheet is pushing it a bit.
Relatively, with Colm Cav back on the bench, and Paul Quinn being the only panel absentee.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2008, 11:55:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2008, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
I don't see complacency being an issue here at all, quite the reverse. Plus the clean sheet with injuries.
Jaysus a clean sheet is pushing it a bit.
Relatively, with Colm Cav back on the bench, and Paul Quinn being the only panel absentee.
Erm, twas a poor attempt at a joke concerning the 'clean sheet' as used in MOTD!
I thought perhaps that was what you'd meant, but then thought you thought I was being inconsiderate to young Quinn, so not to appear heartless... ;)
Was speaking to an insider in the Down set-up who is devilishly good with numbers. He claimed that a major facet to the Model's game was the confidence they've garnered from winning throughout the year. They went through the NFL unbeaten, got to the Leinster final and appear to have wiped the Dublin game from their system and embarked afresh on another run. The word 'cocky' was mentioned but I'm sure he meant assured.
Whilst I would be cautious about not taking Wexford seriously, there is also a danger in taking them too seriously. Let nobody underestimate the enormity of the occasion for both sets of players, but in particular Wexford. Its very easy for us armchair pundits to sit on our asses and say things like "Wexford having nothing to loose" and they can therefore "throw caution to the wind" - bollix they have perhaps a once in a lifetime opportunity to get to an All-Ireland final and they are going up against a bunch of seasoned campaigners who, if judging by the game against Dublin, are beginning to motor in a major way.
I'll nail my colours to the mast and say Tyrone by 5.
The more I think of this game, the more I see parallels with the men of 89 beginning to appear. Fair enough, things are slightly more low key this time and there is none of this "unfinished business" carry on but there are a lot of guys on the side with a lot of experience and plenty of miles on the clock. In 89 Mayo weren't taken for granted, but the talk was of September and Croke Park. The same applies now with Wexford, as much as posters here try to downplay it, the average joe is expecting, especially after the Dublin performance - just as they did in 89 after the performance against Donegal in the Ulster Final replay.
Perhaps the difference is that the current side have gotten over the line twice previously and the affair with Sam is no longer unrequited, but the memories of 89 should be fresh enough to make sure nothing is taken for granted.
QuoteWexford having nothing to loose
Matty Forde? The dogs of war? All hell?
If I had my way I would burn all these armchairs in Gaelic sport.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 27, 2008, 12:30:21 AM
The more I think of this game, the more I see parallels with the men of 89 beginning to appear. Fair enough, things are slightly more low key this time and there is none of this "unfinished business" carry on but there are a lot of guys on the side with a lot of experience and plenty of miles on the clock. In 89 Mayo weren't taken for granted, but the talk was of September and Croke Park. The same applies now with Wexford, as much as posters here try to downplay it, the average joe is expecting, especially after the Dublin performance - just as they did in 89 after the performance against Donegal in the Ulster Final replay.
Perhaps the difference is that the current side have gotten over the line twice previously and the affair with Sam is no longer unrequited, but the memories of 89 should be fresh enough to make sure nothing is taken for granted.
1889 ?
Wat age are you ? 86 ??????? ;)
Mickey Harte has been given a big boost by the news that Colm Cavanagh has returned to the Tyrone squad ahead of this Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final with Wexford.
The Moy clubman, who is a brother of ace attacker Sean, was expected to be out for at least six weeks after suffering what looked like a broken collar-bone in the defeat of Westmeath last month, but as returned to the panel in time for the Red Hands' first last four clash in three years.
Cavanagh is expected to start among the substitutes on his return and will provide Harte with a useful attacking option should the Tyrone boss decide to spring him from the bench.
The only other concern in the squad is Paul Quinn, who is likely to be ruled out again through injury, other than that Tyrone have a full hand to choose from.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 27, 2008, 12:30:21 AM
Perhaps the difference is that the current side have gotten over the line twice previously and the affair with Sam is no longer unrequited, but the memories of 89 should be fresh enough to make sure nothing is taken for granted.
As the majority of the current players are younger than me, I don't think 89 will be fresh in their minds as it's not too fresh in mine. Hopefully it will be moreso the memories of 03 and 05 that'll ignite their imaginations and they'll strive to recapture that feeling.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the county being disappointed if we don't beat Wexford. I don't mind saying that I have provisionally booked a few days off after the All Ireland final, and if Tyrone aren't there, so be it, I won't take the days off, and I'll acknowledge that Wexford were the better team on the day. I'll still be gutted though.
I don't think it's our god-given right to win, and as someone said, it's 15 against 15 on the day and as we've seen, anything can happen in the championship. But one team has to emerge victorious, what's wrong with hoping that it's us?
Oh, and was Colm Cavanagh not in the subs the last time out against Dublin? He definately ran down the sideline with another player who was warming up, all kitted out. Good news if he's back to fitness.
I'd love to be in a final. And I'm going on Sunday to shout and cheer and support the Tyrone footballers to bring us there so I can finally use up the load of holidays I've got left!!
It was the supporters and the management in particular I was referring to Rois, I'd say a 9 year old Pascal McConnell mightn't remember big Finbarr and his "Unfinished Business" T-Shirt, but Mickey Harte and Tony Donnelly should be old enough to remember it as "the one that got away"
1889 orangeman? Jaysis, my great granda would hardly have been a twinkle in my great-great granda's eye at that stage.
shoul dbe plenty of tickets for tyronies on sun.
Cork and kerry fans are almost as numerous as Derry fanatics going to croker, and a wexford friend of mine reckons that wex would be requiring 5000 - 10,000 tickets - but closer to 5000 he reckoned !
:o :(
There was a lot of Kerry fans at the match last Sunday Lynchboy but yeah often for a replay not as many show, especially as its another €45 and no Hill open
I for one can't see the comparison with 89 as we hadn't learnt to win in Croker back then but now we've more victories than defeats there now I think
Yeah Colm was out warming up with the squad the last day and I think there has been either some confusion over his injury as it was mentioned it was only a dis-located shoulder as there's no way he would be back so quick from a broken collarbone. Is there???
I'm wondering has Mickey given up on Mugsy's patchy performance and is why he hasn't played him for longer
Shirley if he wanted him for future games he would have given him more than 5 mins v Dublin
Its been a funny year as I can remember standing in Celtic park back in Feb thinking we're gonna really struggle this year as we've no forwards at all and we need to play Sean at FF. 6 months later and Mugsy and Mulgrew can't get their place and Colm Cavanagh will struggle to get back into the team.
I expect Gormley to pick up Mattie and Ricey to go to CHB again or maybe for conor to play in front of Mattie with Justy marking him.
I know its the same every day we play but I can see Wexford being dominant around the MF area and so we'll need big games again from or HF & Half Backs for breaking ball. I think you'll see Wexford maybe fouling us a lot more than the Dubs and not letting us settle into our stride.
I'm cautiously optmisiic but have been to enough games to know that football never pans out to what you expect it but with Dooher screaming in their ear all week that this could well be his last chance at an AI medal then he will DRIVE Them on
it was the least serious of the two injuries. colm will provide an excellent option. expect to see him getting a run out at some stage sunday.
Maybe the red hands could employ the very own twin towers!!! :o
Paul or PJ Quinn injury doubt?
Paul Quinn Fleet
Are others surprised Paul Quinn hasn't made more progress on this Tyrone team
I've saw him play for Errigal and he's a class act
So does anyone think Mickey will tamper with the starting team this week?
Will Homles get the nod again for MF
Everyone says our MF did well v Dublin but the stats don't seem to paint the same picture
It wasn't til the 20 something minute we won our 1st kickout
I reckon tyrone86 is a former player, prehaps even played in an All-Ireland Final ;)
What about it? Are you? :P
I cant wait to hear the views of Cavofan newbie on the big game. :D
Still barking up the wrong tree with that one Ziggy.
certainly a panellist
Quote from: ziggysego on August 27, 2008, 02:23:41 PM
I reckon tyrone86 is a former player, prehaps even played in an All-Ireland Final ;)
What about it? Are you? :P
I reckon he is a player ! ;)
QuoteAre others surprised Paul Quinn hasn't made more progress on this Tyrone team
I've saw him play for Errigal and he's a class act
The lad is getting over a life/career threatening injury. Give him time.
Dooher takes another hefty swipe.......
(http://www.thescore.ca/blogs/footy/Platoon-2.jpg)
The choice of Ulster referee Pat McEnaney to officate in an All-Ireland semi-final involving a team from his own province has been defended by the National Referees Association.
Some have seen the appointment as a surprise, considering that McEnaney hails from the same province as Tyrone and referees are usually chosen from the most netrual venue possible for a match of such importance, but National Referees's spokesman Fr Seamus Gardiner has said that the ruling has been relaxed since last year.
"We have moved away from that," admitted Gardiner. "It is not as stringent as it was."
"The present appointments committee changed it last year; they said the appointments will mainly be from outside the province, but not necessarily always."
Wexford officials also seem to be okay with the appointment too, indicating that it will be up to the team to do their best to try and win the game.
"The referee won't beat us on Sunday," said County Board chairman Ger Doyle. "We have to go and play our game and we won't be blaming the referee or anything like that.
"Pat (McEnaney) won't be going out because he is from Ulster; he'll be going out to do a fair job."
Another Ulster referee will be officiating the replay clash between Cork and Kerry at Croke Park on the same day. Donegal's Jimmy White will be the man in the middle and is sure to have his hands full after Munster's greatest rivals produced a heated encounter in their meeting last Sunday at the same venue.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 27, 2008, 02:49:25 PM
Still barking up the wrong tree with that one Ziggy.
I'm onto you and I still think I know which player you were..... even though you denied it several times. :P
Wexford special train still available:
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;) Come On Tyrone !! Come on Mugsy !! ::) ::)
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It has surely been the one of the memorable images of this year's Football Championship.
The menacingly bearded Joe McMahon, complete with scary-looking gumshield, reacting to his stunning goal against the shellshocked Dubs at Croke Park.
Joe Brolly used to generate plenty of column inches as he blew kisses to the crowd in his regular goal celebrations.
But the Dungiven man's antics had none of the wonderful spontaneity that McMahon exhibited earlier this month.
Crucially, Joe of the Brolly variety never managed to grow a decent beard either even though I have vague recollections that a goatie of sorts may have appeared on the Derryman at one point.
Could be wrong on that score.
Such was the emphatic nature of the finish, you would be entitled to assume that McMahon regularly bangs in spectacular goals for his club Omagh St Enda's.
But the full-back turned half-forward insists that "relief" was his primary emotion as the ball flashed passed Stephen Cluxton.
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"Cluxton is a very good keeper so I was just delighted to have got the shot past him," says Joe, ahead of Sunday's All-Ireland Football semi-final against Wexford.
"But a lot of credit must go to Tommy McGuigan for the great ball across."
With his brother Justin appearing to nail down the number three jersey this year, Joe has been something of a jack of all trades for the Red Hands this season.
Given that he regularly operates at full-forward for his club, he is used to making and taking scores and he is happy to fulfil whatever role Mickey Harte deems appropriate.
"This year I have moved about quite a bit. I have played half-forward in the last two games which has meant that I have played alongside Brian McGuigan and Brian Dooher - two great players.
"In the half-forwards, you're trying to match the workrate of Brian Dooher. If you can do that, you're doing well."
McMahon agrees that his display against Dublin was "probably" one of his best performances in the Red Hand jersey.
"Looking back, the (All-Ireland) semi-final against Armagh in 2005 was a good game but the Dublin match this year would definitely be up there (with my best displays)." I think Ricey's beard looks a bit scarier than mine
Tyrone's Joe McMahon
Given the circumstances of Tyrone's previous struggles this year, the team's display in dismantling the Dubs was arguably the county's greatest performance since Mickey Harte took the Red Hand reins in late 2002.
A small but vocal section of Tyrone's support appeared to be calling for Harte's head after the Ulster Championship defeat by Down and McMahon believed that the criticism was unjustified, given the manager's record.
"Mickey did come under a lot of pressure after we lost to Down but we (the squad) knew ourselves that it was a minority (of people). It was very unfair that he did get that stick.
"We know Mickey. He just gets on with things. He's very determined and that it reflected in the team itself."
As regards the beards issue, McMahon says that the idea popped up in training after the Down defeat.
"I didn't want another close shave (on the field) until the rest of the season so it will be staying until the end.
"My beard has been getting a bit of publicity after the Dublin game but I think Ricey's (Ryan McMenamin's) looks a bit scarier than mine."
Got to disagree with you on that point, Joseph!
QuoteI didn't want another close shave (on the field) until the rest of the season so it will be staying until the end.
I hear Jason Ryan has ordered a packet of BIC disposables (the yellow ones that rip the face off you) to be delivered to each of the Tyrone players in the dressing room before the game. Mickey Harte might get a lick of a razor too.
MH has had that beard since a wild weekend in England many many moons ago, he wont be shaving it any time soon.
"Menacingly bearded" ? ? ?
The BBC have just announced they will be showing the game live on BBC 2. :)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 28, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
The BBC have just announced they will be showing the game live on BBC 2. :)
AFTER the tickets have been sold !
I wonder who told them there was a game on ? ;) :D ;D
I would just like to wish Wexford all the best for Sunday.
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on August 28, 2008, 02:20:48 PM
I would just like to wish Wexford all the best for Sunday.
Same here.
I am not suggesting Wexford are underdogs but why is it you hear so many say "may the best team win" and also say "I always support the underdogs"?
I wish Wexford all the best as well and Matty Ford to show once again that he is one of the class footballers of his generation.
But I'll be cheering for the modern aristocrats of gaelic football :)
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Quote from: Main Street on August 28, 2008, 02:53:41 PM
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Awe, goochy goochy goo :-*
So team being named tonight, anyone think there will be any changes? I would hardly think so unless there's some last minute tinkering at five to four on Sunday!!
Really cant see any changes. PJ Quinn,Mellon or Mulligan would be the best bets if there was a change but I cant see it. McMahon or Cavanagh could go to midfield instead of Holmes and Mulligan in but I really cant see it happening.
No changes:
Tyrone Senior Team v Wexford
GAA All Ireland Football Semi Final
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher (C ) Clann na nGael
11. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
12. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
13. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
20. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
22. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
23. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
24. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
25. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
26. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
27. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
28. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
29. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
30. PJ Quinn Baile na Móna
31. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
If you took 15 players from no.s 16 - 31 you'd still have a side capable of beating a lot of counties. They'd certainly be better than Derry's first 15 anyhow.
Tommy Lyons said on The Sunday Game that the mark of a good team is the subs bench - Tyrone have a good bench.
The Bench:
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua 2 Celtic Crosses
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair 1 Celtic Cross
18. Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail 1 Celtic Cross
20. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal 1 Celtic Cross
22. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
23. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
24. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí 2 Celtic Crosses
25. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh 2 Celtic Crosses
26. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
27. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach 2 Celtic Crosses
28. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
29. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin 1 Celtic Cross
30. PJ Quinn Baile na Móna
31. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
Yerra, not a bad bench ;)
your missing at least one celtic cross from your bench list Dermy Carlin has one 2003
Didnt penrose feature on the bench in 05?
And peter Donnelly - he's been knocking about for a few years now.
Quote from: Main Street on August 28, 2008, 02:53:41 PM
I wish Wexford all the best as well and Matty Ford to show once again that he is one of the class footballers of his generation.
But I'll be cheering for the modern aristocrats of gaelic football :)
Good to see youse supporting the Kingdom on Sunday who incidentely have always been the aristocrats !! ;) ;)
Sorry
comethekingdom, I think you've slightly misquoted
Main Street there, it should have been:
Quote from: Main Street on August 28, 2008, 02:53:41 PM
I wish Wexford all the best as well and Matty Ford to show once again that he is one of the class footballers of his generation.
But I'll be cheering for the modern aristocrats of gaelic football :)
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Is that Johnny Curran's first time in the squad for this season or have I just missed him. If it is does that mean one of our keepers is carrying a knock?
Yes and No Norf: Jon Curran's first time yes, but no we're not carrying a keeper injury, and he is number 31.
Vote of confidence in the entire team especially Holmes - it's unreal how things change over the course of a season - at the start of it, not many would have seen room for Holmes. Fair dues to him for keeping at it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2008, 11:22:10 PM
Yes and No Norf: Jon Curran's first time yes, but no we're not carrying a keeper injury, and he is number 31.
Its not his first time in the squad this season either, he's been on the panel all year (and we've had the 3 goalies all year too).
No surprises with the team named, hard to change the team who turned in such a superb performance against the Dubs. Can they reach something approaching the same level again?? Thats the big question and the fact that the Dublin game was Tyrone's first and only showing at that level all year mean its a big challenge and given Tyrone's patchy form and Wexford's exploits over recent months I really dont understand why anybody would make Tyrone big favourites here ???.
My big concern before the Dublin game was the lack of free scoring forwards on the current Tyrone panel. On the day numbers 2-12 weighed in with an exceptional 2-7 but you wont get that every day. Ultimately we need (like happened againgst the Dubs) the big names to be at their best and the supporting cast to rise to the occasion. Anything less and Wexford will be well placed to win it.
Quote from: orangeman on August 29, 2008, 12:02:22 AM
Vote of confidence in the entire team especially Holmes - it's unreal how things change over the course of a season - at the start of it, not many would have seen room for Holmes. Fair dues to him for keeping at it.
i questioned holmes involvment against mayo and didn't think he should have started against the dubs, but have to hold my hands up - he was the perfect man for marking whelan.deserves his place.fair play to him
I'd love to say that Wexford are going to throw caution to the wind and this will be a rip-roaring end-to-end game of football, but I don't think it will ...
I think it will be in Wexford's interests to try to stifle the pace of the game and to try to limit the number of scoring - especially goal - chances, to Tyrone early on. I expect a few stoppages if they can get away with it, as I think the main aim will be to get to HT still in touch with Tyrone. We have free-takers who can convert from the sideline on either side, and we may be relying on them to keep us in touch a la Armagh, but I hope not, as playing for frees is a dangerous game. Neither Tyrone nor Pat McEneaney will give us anything soft.
if the first 15 can sustain the physical effort to stay with Tyrone for the first 45 minutes, then I would be confident that we have the fellas on the bench to come on and provide the spark. Stafford or Howlin at MF can do a job, Deely and Roche have the pace up front, and Niall Murphy will be chomping at the bit to use his pace and aggression (and class) to help out in defence.
It will be a 20-man performance from Wexford, and whether it's good enough or not, I hope they leave nothing in the dressing-room and have a right go. Again, if they can get to the last quarter still in with a shout, then they have showed all year that they can win big games in that final quarter. The biggest ask will be maintaining the challenge to get ourselves into that position.
Big performances needed from our core of experienced players who have spent the last 7/8 years building up to a day like this - Wallace, Morris, Murphy, Barry, Colfer, Forde. They need to lead and bring the younger lads on.
It'll be a great day, and if the heads are right anything's possible. The ability is there if enough fellas perform.
Come on The Model!!
Quote from: Model Hammer on August 29, 2008, 12:54:20 PM
I'd love to say that Wexford are going to throw caution to the wind and this will be a rip-roaring end-to-end game of football, but I don't think it will ...
I think it will be in Wexford's interests to try to stifle the pace of the game and to try to limit the number of scoring - especially goal - chances, to Tyrone early on. I expect a few stoppages if they can get away with it, as I think the main aim will be to get to HT still in touch with Tyrone. We have free-takers who can convert from the sideline on either side, and we may be relying on them to keep us in touch a la Armagh, but I hope not, as playing for frees is a dangerous game. Neither Tyrone nor Pat McEneaney will give us anything soft.
if the first 15 can sustain the physical effort to stay with Tyrone for the first 45 minutes, then I would be confident that we have the fellas on the bench to come on and provide the spark. Stafford or Howlin at MF can do a job, Deely and Roche have the pace up front, and Niall Murphy will be chomping at the bit to use his pace and aggression (and class) to help out in defence.
It will be a 20-man performance from Wexford, and whether it's good enough or not, I hope they leave nothing in the dressing-room and have a right go. Again, if they can get to the last quarter still in with a shout, then they have showed all year that they can win big games in that final quarter. The biggest ask will be maintaining the challenge to get ourselves into that position.
Big performances needed from our core of experienced players who have spent the last 7/8 years building up to a day like this - Wallace, Morris, Murphy, Barry, Colfer, Forde. They need to lead and bring the younger lads on.
It'll be a great day, and if the heads are right anything's possible. The ability is there if enough fellas perform.
Come on The Model!!
How much would armagh give to have had McEnaney refereeing their game with wexford?
QuoteHow much would armagh give to have had McEnaney refereeing their game with wexford?
So it was the referee's fault that Armagh lost? Can't see how Pat would have prevented their headless chicken routine in the last 15 mins?
My point was you'd want to be pretty sure of your ball-carrying skills if you're hoping to win frees that way. The fact is Armagh dispossessed our forwards legally several times in that first half, and if they had been more clinical about converting their possession into scores could have been further ahead at half-time. It's not a tactic I would recommend and I would rather see a forward kick a ball 10 yards wide than give it away, especially when his wing backs have come 50 yards up the field to support him ....
Breaking balls and turnovers are what will decide the outcome of most games. If we can break even or shade the midfield breaks as we have of late, and try to minimise turnovers when in possession then we'll give ourselves a chance.
Quote from: under the bar on August 29, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
QuoteHow much would armagh give to have had McEnaney refereeing their game with wexford?
So it was the referee's fault that Armagh lost? Can't see how Pat would have prevented their headless chicken routine in the last 15 mins?
Had pat or any other decent ref been in charge wexford would have had little more than one or two points at half time and the game would have been over
QuoteHad pat or any other decent ref been in charge wexford would have had little more than one or two points at half time and the game would have been over
I know Pat has done Armagh favours in the past but to suggest that he would blow the game up 35 mins early is taking it too far!
Quote from: under the bar on August 29, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
QuoteHad pat or any other decent ref been in charge wexford would have had little more than one or two points at half time and the game would have been over
I know Pat has done Armagh favours in the past but to suggest that he would blow the game up 35 mins early is taking it too far!
:D :D
Busy today at work so didn't get to look on here all day.
Looks like nobody else was as well.
Looks like it will be a sunny day with showers so could have a slippery ball again.
Think Tyrone will scrape thru but with a poor enuf performance with Cork not fearing us for the final.
Enjoy one and all
Quote from: Model Hammer on August 29, 2008, 02:44:05 PM
My point was you'd want to be pretty sure of your ball-carrying skills if you're hoping to win frees that way. The fact is Armagh dispossessed our forwards legally several times in that first half, and if they had been more clinical about converting their possession into scores could have been further ahead at half-time. It's not a tactic I would recommend and I would rather see a forward kick a ball 10 yards wide than give it away, especially when his wing backs have come 50 yards up the field to support him ....
Breaking balls and turnovers are what will decide the outcome of most games. If we can break even or shade the midfield breaks as we have of late, and try to minimise turnovers when in possession then we'll give ourselves a chance.
That's a good analysis in my opinion. Tyrone were totally dominated in terms of kick-outs won the last day, but they got a lot of turn-overs and were very clinical at using them.
Very little Tyone interviews in the Dublin papers this week. No shouting & speaking and thus under the radar which is what you want.
Yeah, I think the Cork/Kerry replay getting most of the attention has done use a favour. Also the Kerry and Cork fans will be behind Wexford, (those that bother staying), that will get the lads going and remind them what's at stake.
But I did shave this afternoon, frigging wedding to go to the tomorrow, so we could be in trouble.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 30, 2008, 01:23:52 AM
But I did shave this afternoon, frigging wedding to go to the tomorrow, so we could be in trouble.
FFS didn't need to tell us that until after, now I'm really worried >:( >:( >:(.
You should be encouraged Zapatista that there is a confidence about Tyrone's football ability to beat Wexford and not resorting to the desperate, the dark arts of superstition. :)
I broke a mirror this morning so I stuck a grand on Wexford ;)
Good Luck to Tyrone tomorrow, hope you win hopefully be a good game!!!
Still plenty of tickets available from Ticketmaster for anyone who's starting to change their mind about watching it on tv! €45 for THREE All Ireland semi-finals - couldn't beat that for entertainment.
Good luck tomorrow lads. Our 11th All-Ireland semi.
'56 - lost to Galway
'57 - lost to Louth
'73 - lost to Cork
'84 - lost to Dublin
'86 - beat Galway
'89 - lost to Mayo
'95 - beat Galway
'96 - lost to Meath
'03 - beat Kerry
'05 - beat Armagh
As McHugh said on thon programme, Tyrone are somewhere between the Mayo performance and the Dublin experience. They're hard to gauge we don't really know what Tyrone we'll see tomorrow. I think we have the better players.
Tyrone 1-15 Wexford 0-12
If we can hold our own in the middle, might see the 3rd mid fielder fall into the sweeper role of sorts in front of Forde,
even though they'll probably be thumping high ball in on top of him all day and so maybe Joey could add a bit of height in that regard
If we can nullify Mattie then I think we have the backs to man mark Banville, Lyng, Barry and co or at least curb the threat.
We'll def need the shooting boots on at the other end though but i believe we'll have enough to get over the line..... I hope :-\
Wexford are a very pacey team and the fitness going into the last 15 minutes will play a huge part in the outcome 8)
Good luck to Tyrone. Feeling a bit uneasy about the game but having tipped us to lose to both Mayo and Dublin maybe thats no bad thing. Come on the Red Hands.
Pillar's standing behind me. Should I slam the wheelchair into him? TyroneLass why didn't you say hello when I called out to you? Anyway, good luck Tyrone!
Really wish mcguigan was playing.
No Brian McGuigan :o.
no but we have Marty (Morrisey) that is
Is it just me, or are the entire full back line playing in midfield?
Great play by McCullagh on the sideline.
Wexford are very poor today so far!
Collie Holmes took an awful roasting for that goal!
Job done for Tyrone and 0-23 was an excellent tally. The only negative was a really slack start to the second half when Tyrone really needed to tag on a few points to kill the game. Fair play though they reacted well to the goal and put the game to bed. Bit worried to see Sean Mor going off and then Brian McGuigan seemingly having a problem with his eye, we'll need those lads fully fit to have a chance in the final.
Credit to Wexford, they will be dissapointed by their first half but they were more like themselves in the second half and did well to close the gap to just 2 points at one stage. If Wexford can build on this season they will be serious contenders for Leinster at least next summer.
Glad to get out of that with a win. The first half was far too pedestrian and it left Tyrone rather flat footed when wexford came at them in the second half. Thankfully they found the necessary gears, stepped it up and took care of business.
Sean Mor - broken fingers? He didnt look happy going off.
I could have sworn Mickey Harte was clean shaven in the pre match interview, now has a stubble in the post match interview.
Tyrone facial hair grows fastest.
Apart from a lot of other positives about Tyrone today, they showed unruffled mature composure when Wexford came at them in the 2nd half.
Sad to see Matty Ford on crutches after having to leave the field very early. No doubt he would have played a big part in the 2nd half comeback.
Penrose put in a great 70 mins work as did Jordan and McMahon.
That's both threads on live matches you've popped up on now today Tankie with complaints about standard and effort. Far too much of that oul complaining crap. Any chance of you posting something positive about today's two games. Great advertisement for the game, especially in relation to the woeful EPL games live today. Bit of positivity about our games wouldn't go amiss.
Mickey Harte will be delighted with that IMO, good preparation for a final. Looked at one stage they might stroll through.
they did stroll though, they were never in bother. a real "nice " game of football and good to watch. wexford are a good side but are defensively appalling and make bad decsions when under pressure with the ball.
Quote from: JMohan on August 31, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
Penrose put in a great 70 mins work as did Jordan and McMahon.
Penrose was very good today - it was great to see him playing a little more "level headed" - being patient and taking better shot options.
TYP - Is that on BBC? What did he say?
Jordan was great today, as were the fullback line.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 31, 2008, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 31, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
Penrose put in a great 70 mins work as did Jordan and McMahon.
Penrose was very good today - it was great to see him playing a little more "level headed" - being patient and taking better shot options.
TYP - Is that on BBC? What did he say?
Jordan was great today, as were the fullback line.
Against Down Penrose was outstanding - has incredible pace
Jason Ryan seems like a great man, and a great manager - will be around for a while.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 31, 2008, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 31, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
Penrose put in a great 70 mins work as did Jordan and McMahon.
Penrose was very good today - it was great to see him playing a little more "level headed" - being patient and taking better shot options.
TYP - Is that on BBC? What did he say?
Jordan was great today, as were the fullback line.
Jason Ryan surmised the game perfectly in a few lines, better than the pundits and he was in the heat of the battle.
How did Dooher manage to get away with taking the Wexford player out of the play in the square without being picked up by the umpires at least???
Tyrone 0-23 1-14 Wexford
Sean Cavanagh is challenged by Wexford's Brendan Doyle
Tyrone (0-14) 0-23
Points: Jordan 2, Cavanagh 4, Dooher 3, McMenamin 2, Penrose 3, McCullagh 4, T McGuigan 3, McGinley, Harte
Wexford (0-6) 1-14
Goal: Lyng
Points: Lyng 6, Morris 2, Morrissey, Wallace, Banville, Roche, Colfer, Flynn
Tyrone are into the All-Ireland football final for the third time in six years after a six-point success over Wexford at Croke Park.
Mickey Harte's Red Hands led by nine points in the first half and appeared to be cruising into a 21 September decider against champions Kerry.
But Wexford's big scoring danger Ciaran Lyng revived the contest with a goal which cut the deficit to three points.
Tyrone responded with four unanswered points to power through to the final.
Lyng's fine finish on 49 minutes suggested a remarkable Wexford comeback was possible.
Tyrone had been in complete command in a one-sided first half with eight different players getting on the scoresheet.
Man-of-the-match Philip Jordan, Sean Cavanagh, Ryan McMenamin, Martin Penrose, Colm McCullagh, Tommy McGuigan and Enda McGinley all contributed as the Ulster team swept forward relentlessly.
Wexford did get some points on the board before the break and, early in the second half, they outscored Tyrone by 1-6 to three points.
The Munster team's fans were clearly lifted by Lyng's goal but the comeback was rebuffed as scores from Jordan, McMenamin and Penrose saw Tyrone move away.
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Tyrone: J Devine; C Gormley, Justin McMahon, C Gourley; D Harte, R McMenamin, P Jordan; C Holmes, E McGinley; B Dooher, M Penrose, Joe McMahon; T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Wexford:A Masterson; D Walsh, P Wallace, B Malone; A Morrissey, D Murphy, C Morris; E Bradley, B Doyle; PJ Banville, R Barry, C Byrne; C Lyng, P Colfer, M Forde.
Are they on about the Kerry and Cork fans or is it just another mistake from the good old BBC ???
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 31, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
How did Dooher manage to get away with taking the Wexford player out of the play in the square without being picked up by the umpires at least???
Not the umpires' job to call for fouls.
Was worried there with Sean going off and Wexford bringing it back to 2 points at a stage. But a good response, McCullagh's passing again of Brian McG 05 quality, Justin McMahon has another excellent game.
Only worry going into the final is that Kerry have come through the tougher side of the draw in my opinion.
Hopefully Sean will be OK and we will see the two teams in the final with a full complement of players making for a great game.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 31, 2008, 07:22:20 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 31, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
How did Dooher manage to get away with taking the Wexford player out of the play in the square without being picked up by the umpires at least???
Not the umpires' job to call for fouls.
Was worried there with Sean going off and Wexford bringing it back to 2 points at a stage. But a good response, McCullagh's passing again of Brian McG 05 quality, Justin McMahon has another excellent game.
Only worry going into the final is that Kerry have come through the tougher side of the draw in my opinion.
Hopefully Sean will be OK and we will see the two teams in the final with a full complement of players making for a great game.
You should ask the Clare U21 hurlers about that one!!
I don't know shit about hurling, not sure if Pat McAnaney does either, but had he been the ref he'd have ignored the umpire. Problem solved.
What is there left to say about this squad of players? The major doubt coming in to the came was that the Dublin performance was a one-off, a dying kick from our most formidable outfit. The first half today reinforced the opposite. Something happened in the last 2 years that will probably be explained in time. We cannot blame injuries any more because Tyrone have got there without O'Neill, Cavlan and Mulligan. Players like McCullagh, Penrose and T McGuigan who looked a level below the players we'd lost are now proving themselves to be class acts at the highest level. Perhaps it was the hunger in players like Ricey, the Block, Jordan and co that just wasn't sharp in '06/07. Maybe it was the need to allow times for new players to gel into the 'system'. But what we have now is another side in the All-Ireland final after blitzing Dublin and notching 0-23 in an All-Ireland semi final. 0-23 from a side most of us worried where scores were going to come from earlier in the year!
Jordan, McMenamin and McCullagh were majestic today. I though McCullagh's play was as good as Brian McGuigan's used to be (the possible exceptions being on McGuigan's exceptional days like the AIF05). His confidence on the ball to take as much out of it until he had a clear pass was wonderful to watch. He took his points almost as a last resort! I'd imagine Kerry will give Colm no time on the ball. He was our impish/waspish play-maker today. Jordan, from the first minute to the last, was the man who drove this team. He covered every blade and his direct approach was as good as you'll see from Tomas O'Se. McMenamin was also a driven man today and involved himself in the majority of attacks from defence. Gormley fairly kept tabs on the majority of Wexford's danger men though I thought he stood off slightly for the goal. Justin McMahon is a footballer first and foremost and for a fullback that's reassuring. He's as equally comfortable soloing up the sideline as he is breaking the high ball. I thought we saw another positive side to Tommy's game today. Some of his ball retention was of the highest class, especially when Gourley was throwing up some 50/50s. McGinley maintained his decent form although Holmes waned early on. Still, Mickey is always quick to change in that area and Hughes, despite trying to shoot, was adequate. Dooher's in form and Penrose offered a useful option on the break. Sean was double-teamed, sometimes trebled but still managed to provide a dangerous outlet. Only he went off he could easily have ended with 0-6/0-7.
The Wexford comeback was fitting of a side that had reached the AISF, although I honestly believe the one-and-a-half matches of completely dominating the opposition finally got to Tyrone and their levels dropped a little - it'll do Tyrone no harm to have a slight scare.
Hats off to Mickey and this squad. Some wonderful passages of football, as good as there has been under Mickey. Not in my wildest dreams did I expect Tyrone at this years AIF.
it was a good game. I think the telling factor was work rate. If you want to beat tyrone you have to work as hard as them, and Wexford just werent fit enough. Ryan McMannaman seemed to be playing both corner forward and corner back at the same time. unreal. Brian Dooher is something else. He must be more machine than man. in response to people complaining about him taking players out, well I suppose its bad thing to do but I do it all the time myself so, I wont cast any stones in his direction. Ciaran Lyngs goal was class. The problem wexford were having was they were sending long balls but didnt have enough players up front to win the breaks as Tyrone had enough players back to win the ball and start another attack.
Fair dues to Jason Ryan he's done a stellar job and Wexford can build on this year, I'd love if we could find an equivilant in the Royal county. Pity Mattie Forde went off but he wasnt having his best game anyway.
just back from Croker. Disappointed with our first half performance, didn't get going at all, let Tyrone get too far ahead. It was a pity matty was missing for the second half, could have been the difference when we made our come back. Still the better team won in the end, so best of luck to Tyrone in the final.
QuotePlayers like McCullagh, Penrose and T McGuigan who looked a level below the players we'd lost are now proving themselves to be class acts at the highest level
Hang on there now... While agree that these guys looked good today, they are still a goodly wee way from proven 'at the highest level'. T McGuigan was probabaly the weakest of the Tyrone forwards against Dublin and showed limitations as a finisher, most notably in his one on one with Cluxton where he made up the keepers mind for him... Penrose worked hard today but was not extra special. I thought McCullogh went out of the game one Wexford tightened up and while he certainly played well in general, as the game went on, he made a few poor de;liveries under pressure. These boys need to deliver the next day in the fianl againstg proven top level winners (I think Kerry merit that description, fact is neither Dublin nor Wexford can claim it) As for the rest of the Tyrone performance today, it was good but a level well down on Duiblin.
Look on it coldly.This was a success built on very solid defence and strong ball wining in the the middle third. Up front, despoite the big points total was a bit hit and miss for me I though Jordan was immense - having played brilliantlly up to then, he was also the man that won the hard ball in defence when Wexford had closed in and were threatening more in the second half. Justin McMahon was also very good as was Gormley and indeed Davy Harte although I retain a suspicion that we rate his performances more highly for what he does going forward that for defending. McMenanamin after a very involved opening 20 was not that involved. I though McGinley again did huge spadework around the middle and again carried others in that area of the field. Dooher for me was quiet, Joe McMahon was the man that did the hod carrying from 21 to 21 today.
Overall it was a well crafted win - no team can give succesive displays like Tyrone did against Dublin, certainly not if thet aspire to do it again a third day. I would venture to say that having sat through both games in the flesh, Kerry on full tilt looked that bit more compelling than Tyrone on full tilt but then they play with different styles and the way a team gets to play is significantly influenced by the team they are facing... and one can say for certain that Kerry to date have faced nothing appraoching the quality and capability of Tyrone - it promises to be tight.
Well done Tyrone, a good adequate display, you have the capabilitiy to win what promises to be a cracking final, all of Ulster will be behind you
Quote from: ONeill on August 31, 2008, 08:37:23 PM
What is there left to say about this squad of players? The major doubt coming in to the came was that the Dublin performance was a one-off, a dying kick from our most formidable outfit. The first half today reinforced the opposite. Something happened in the last 2 years that will probably be explained in time. We cannot blame injuries any more because Tyrone have got there without O'Neill, Cavlan and Mulligan. Players like McCullagh, Penrose and T McGuigan who looked a level below the players we'd lost are now proving themselves to be class acts at the highest level. Perhaps it was the hunger in players like Ricey, the Block, Jordan and co that just wasn't sharp in '06/07. Maybe it was the need to allow times for new players to gel into the 'system'. But what we have now is another side in the All-Ireland final after blitzing Dublin and notching 0-23 in an All-Ireland semi final. 0-23 from a side most of us worried where scores were going to come from earlier in the year!
Jordan, McMenamin and McCullagh were majestic today. I though McCullagh's play was as good as Brian McGuigan's used to be (the possible exceptions being on McGuigan's exceptional days like the AIF05). His confidence on the ball to take as much out of it until he had a clear pass was wonderful to watch. He took his points almost as a last resort! I'd imagine Kerry will give Colm no time on the ball. He was our impish/waspish play-maker today. Jordan, from the first minute to the last, was the man who drove this team. He covered every blade and his direct approach was as good as you'll see from Tomas O'Se. McMenamin was also a driven man today and involved himself in the majority of attacks from defence. Gormley fairly kept tabs on the majority of Wexford's danger men though I thought he stood off slightly for the goal. Justin McMahon is a footballer first and foremost and for a fullback that's reassuring. He's as equally comfortable soloing up the sideline as he is breaking the high ball. I thought we saw another positive side to Tommy's game today. Some of his ball retention was of the highest class, especially when Gourley was throwing up some 50/50s. McGinley maintained his decent form although Holmes waned early on. Still, Mickey is always quick to change in that area and Hughes, despite trying to shoot, was adequate. Dooher's in form and Penrose offered a useful option on the break. Sean was double-teamed, sometimes trebled but still managed to provide a dangerous outlet. Only he went off he could easily have ended with 0-6/0-7.
The Wexford comeback was fitting of a side that had reached the AISF, although I honestly believe the one-and-a-half matches of completely dominating the opposition finally got to Tyrone and their levels dropped a little - it'll do Tyrone no harm to have a slight scare.
Hats off to Mickey and this squad. Some wonderful passages of football, as good as there has been under Mickey. Not in my wildest dreams did I expect Tyrone at this years AIF.
my friend, please dont try and tell me that kevin hughes is up to this level anymore, hes brutal, has been for years, cant figure out how hes still around ;)
Paddypastit -
Ill give you Dooher - I thought he was quiet by his high standards today, particularly in the first half, however Colm McCullagh was influential from start to finish. He may have wasted one, or two balls, but he was economical, probing, and dangerous all day long.
I think these boys are closer to the gold standard than you would have us believe. This team was written off, these players were written off yet they are in a position no one thought they would occupy at the beginning of the season. If they are not at the gold standard then that only leaves the Kerry boys, as Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Cork, Donegal and Derry are all gone.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 31, 2008, 10:10:56 PM
If they are not at the gold standard then that only leaves the Kerry boys, as Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Cork, Donegal and Derry are all gone.
should read
If they are not at the gold standard then that only leaves the Kerry boys, as Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Cork, Donegal and Derry and Monaghan are all gone.We didn't sweat our bollix off beating those 2 counties on merit just to have it written off the 2008 records :)
Quote from: ONeill on August 31, 2008, 08:37:23 PM
Something happened in the last 2 years that will probably be explained in time. We cannot blame injuries any more because Tyrone have got there without O'Neill, Cavlan and Mulligan. Players like McCullagh, Penrose and T McGuigan who looked a level below the players we'd lost are now proving themselves to be class acts at the highest level. Perhaps it was the hunger in players like Ricey, the Block, Jordan and co that just wasn't sharp in '06/07. Maybe it was the need to allow times for new players to gel into the 'system'.
Id also suggest that in 2006 in particular the panel wasnt ready to cope without all those injured players. Losing PtG was a blow but that was always going to happen, the real loss was Brian McGuigan gone for 3 years and the likes of Dooher, SON and Mulligan also being plagued by injuries. No team could ship those losses and stay at that same level. Over time though it would seem that the team has evolved to cover those losses. Mickey has tweaked the style even more to allow the defenders to get up and get scores even more frequently and that has made in the last 2 matches made up for the lack of a really high scoring forward. Plus we've seen the likes of the McMahons, McCullagh and Tommy Og really step up with some fantastic performances. Dooher belies his age with his performances and Enda McGinley, who was maybe harshly seen as a bit of a workhorse in 2003 and 2005, has been fantastic. Then you have boys like Ricey, Jordan, Gormley and Big Sean, all class acts, playing like they did in years gone by.
I did not believe Tyrone would reach the AI final, I couldnt see where the scores would come from, but the team have been brilliant. 3-37 over the last two games is a tally I just didnt think Tyrone could get close to. Surely reaching this final is Mickey's finest achievement. Kerry will be favourites but its just great to be in this situation.
We'll need Sean Mor and Brian McGuigan fit, any word on those injuries? Also puzzzled at Mugsy's lack of game time in the past 2 matches, what is going on there?
Puckoon - I can't disagree with that as a hoilding position... McCullogh to date has outplayed my previous perceptions but nothing he faced in his last two outings will come anywhere close to what he will meet the next day and add in too now that people are expecting something of him. If he, and indeed others, meet that expectataion then they will rightfully be claimed as 'class acts at the highest level'... but not yet.
Take your point too about what marks the gold standard this year.
Looking forward to this day three weeks more than I have for a few years
Good oul game. Wasn't surprised by Wexford's resurgence in the second half-as Frank mcguigan said in the match programme, there are more natural footballers in the wexford team than the Dublin team who were being tipped as potential champs. Impressed by the way Tyrone never really took the foot of the gas-a big lead almost always leads to complacency-strong Wexford play got them back into the game in the second half, but they were never going to sustain that pressure, especially after mickey's timely substitutions. After the game, I got a feeling that this should have been Tyrone and Armagh. No-one underperformed today, we have been spoilt by the multitude of individual performances in these past few games, although, I'm sure some folk will never be pleased! Nothing to fear with Kerry.
there are more natural footballers in the wexford team
there aren't and thsat wexford team will never beat dublin in the championship despite dublin's weaknesses. they simply give up scores so easily, it was embarrasing watching the space tyrone had today to kick points. What wexford didn't do unlike dublin is throw in the towel and they should be commended for that because they could have so easily done so, but i don;t see them winnning trophies and how often has the first year of a manager's reign been the best one, shades of fermanagh about wexford this year, but what a great year for them.
Quote from: paddypastit on August 31, 2008, 11:08:13 PM
Puckoon - I can't disagree with that as a hoilding position... McCullogh to date has outplayed my previous perceptions but nothing he faced in his last two outings will come anywhere close to what he will meet the next day and add in too now that people are expecting something of him. If he, and indeed others, meet that expectataion then they will rightfully be claimed as 'class acts at the highest level'... but not yet.
Take your point too about what marks the gold standard this year.
Looking forward to this day three weeks more than I have for a few years
Id share your fears about McCullagh
if he was lining out top of the left. As it is he roves and probes and almost dictates his own game. Who ever is detailed to him will have to work very hard to keep him quiet.
Quote from: Main Street on August 31, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 31, 2008, 10:10:56 PM
If they are not at the gold standard then that only leaves the Kerry boys, as Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Cork, Donegal and Derry are all gone.
should read
If they are not at the gold standard then that only leaves the Kerry boys, as Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Cork, Donegal and Derry and Monaghan are all gone.
We didn't sweat our bollix off beating those 2 counties on merit just to have it written off the 2008 records :)
Apologies, dont know how i missed monaghan.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 18, 2008, 10:37:49 AM
Im going to say what alot of Tyrone fans are thinking (and you are - if you are honest!!). I think Tyrone are going to have no problem with Wexford and will beat them by quite a large amount. This has nothing to do with 'respect' or 'complacency' but just down to the fact that I think Tyrone have alot more talent in their ranks and the'big day' will not effect them where as I think it will all be a bit much for the Wexford players. I am really hoping for an All-Ireland Final Day with both our Minors and Seniors involved but the Minors have a bigger task to get there. Remember this is just my opinion and I am being Honest.. ;)
;) ;D ;D
Fair play to you for being man enough to admit you got it wrong.
explain
The minors had an easier task ;D
i thought jordan was superb yesterday - it was more like the jordan of old. it was a good overall performance from the team and I think Kerry are ready for the taking. there'll be lot made out of galvin's return and daragh o'sheas last game so hopefully they'll lose some focus.
QuoteI thought McCullogh went out of the game one Wexford tightened up and while he certainly played well in general, as the game went on, he made a few poor de;liveries under pressure.
McCullough was superb as CHF and his distribution and scoring were 2nd to none. He went out of the game somewhat in the last 20 mins because Mickey put Penrose into CHF and moved Colm back into the forward line where he could not exert as much influence.
Tyrone were playing in a semi final - they scored 23 points and beat Wexford by 6 - that's really all you need to know - now they're in the final where in spite of Kerry's bullish talk, Kerry really aren't relishing the challenge. Kerry know Tyrone can beat them and they're as nervous as hell.
Well done to Mickey Harte, the backroom team and the players - he has taken this team to an AI final from nowhere.
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Well done to Mickey Harte, the backroom team and the players - he has taken this team to an AI final from nowhere.
Spot on Orangeman.
Quote from: clarshack on September 01, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
i thought jordan was superb yesterday - it was more like the jordan of old. it was a good overall performance from the team and I think Kerry are ready for the taking. there'll be lot made out of galvin's return and daragh o'sheas last game so hopefully they'll lose some focus.
Aye Jordan was brilliant, also thought Penrose had a good game along with joey and mccullagh
Did no one else see McCullagh's poor handling at the start? There were at least three balls that weren't caught or were dropped, maybe it was just a case of focussing because he certainly came through.
I thought Tommy McGuigan was a fantastic full forward, he beat his man every time, was always showing and made a great catch or two.
Quote from: Rois on September 01, 2008, 12:33:37 PM
Did no one else see McCullagh's poor handling at the start? There were at least three balls that weren't caught or were dropped, maybe it was just a case of focussing because he certainly came through.
I thought Tommy McGuigan was a fantastic full forward, he beat his man every time, was always showing and made a great catch or two.
I did see that, he completely misjudged the first pass to him. He nearly fumbled one after that but gained control again. Other than that I thought he was flawless.
Yep, McCullough was fumbling badly at the start but he soon picked it up.
I thought in marked contrast to the previous game it was played in a good spirit. I hardly noticed McEneaney. Players got on with game.
I have noticed in a few games that Tyrone's discipline is very good. They don't crowd the ref and scream at him, they just get on with getting into defensive positions. Dooher is a calm captain to have in any storm. After Wexford came back into the game, Dooher quietly appears in strange places scooping up the ball, maybe he even broke though on his own and pointed then. Imo he exemplifies real leadership and can also apply it with the minimum of fuss at the important times.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 31, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
How did Dooher manage to get away with taking the Wexford player out of the play in the square without being picked up by the umpires at least???
You should become a referee and carry on your crusade. Christ what a moaner.
McEnaeny is a credit to the game, he'd nearly make a bad game good.
The thing I like about him is the fact he blows the whistle a lot less than others do, it's a mans game and he lets them get on with it, he lets bits of niggles sort themselves out unless they can't and the players respect that. Before him the best was probably Sugrue - he was much the same, blow it at the begining and end of the match and off you went.
Another terrific performance by Tyrone yesterday at Croke Park. It showed that the game against Dublin was not a flash in the pan and was not down to how bad Dublin were supposedly were.
Colm McCullagh is really showing form this past few days and is really stepping up to the plate to fill that void SoN left. Not sure McCullagh, T. McGuigan, Penrose, the lot of them. They are really beginning to show that there's a lot more in the Tyrone tank to give.
Wexford displayed some great fight and really took the game to Tyrone in the second half and made a game of it. Some have stated that Tyrone took the foot off the pedal, but I think it was more of Wexford showing some of the form they've showed all year.
I was pleased that Wexford went down fighting at least, and they were clearly determined that there would be no capitulation this time.
It was a shame that we allowed ourselves to fall so far behind so early (11 to 2 is a serious setback!). Tyrone were awesome, but really shouldn't have been allowed so much ball and room.
Against all the odds then we managed to make a game of it. Tyrone probably got a bit complacent especially when our no. 15 didn't emerge for the 2nd half. When we had that period of possession just after the goal we hit some fairly hopeful ball up to the FF line. Colfer is a good man under the high ball, but he got very little support under the breaks, and some of the ball in was poor enough. It's a pity we didn't use young Roche and Deely on the ball a bit more, as they started so well when they came in. I though Red was very quiet by his standards, when we rely on him so badly to lead.
As I said they fought to the end, and the ground that Bradley and Roche made up near the end to get in tackles and blocks was a joy to behold. Wallace guarded his area well (though Davy Harte was unlucky). 3 clean sheets in the last 3 games is a fair achiievement for Masterson and his previously much-maligned full back line, but Tyrone had enough scoring talent to win comfortably on minors alone. You can't really hold the full-back line responsible for the 0-7 scored by defenders!
All in all a great year, and plenty of experience bottled for next year. I wouldn't expect to be in an AI semi-final next year, but a serious tilt at the Leinster Title has to be the aim, and it can be done. Hopefully we can have a good Div 2 campaign, secure our 2nd flight status and bring on the younger lads and a few more with them.
Should be an absolute cracker of an AI Final. The right two teams are in it, and who ever wins it, it will have been hard-earned!
'Highlights' ar TG4 anois!
ard solace ?
Buaic ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 01, 2008, 01:07:19 PM
Yep, McCullough was fumbling badly at the start but he soon picked it up.
McCullough had a great game - thought his handling under the Hogan stand at one stage was superb near the sideline - side-stepping his markers when a lesser player would have been pushed over the line.
Glad to see him getting his reward for giving up the girls game with Newry
QuoteMcCullough
At least get his name right. It's McCullagh