OK lads & ladies, time to leave the cracker of the game that was Down vs Tyrone in the weekend that was in it, and just in case To whom it may concern casts any more devastating aspersions on those lads that give so much for the County on that particular thread (entitled to your opinion absolutely, but not to slate on a public forum -- the game itself is only the tip of the iceberg of the time and effort).
'Tis well in advance, but I actually think that that defeat to Down could be a blessing in disguise -- takes us out of the Ulster dogfight and gives time for the injuries and bruises (and bruised egos) to heal.
Thought Fuzzman's post captured it well (in that thread), and just to repeat it:
In recent years Tyrone have often been on the right side of these epic games and the verdict has always been how they will drive on from this and progress
When we won the AI in 2005 the media suddenly we're all praising Tyrone's training methods, underage culture, Club Tyrone etc etc.
None of that would have been mentioned had Kerry got a 3rd goal near the end and won the match
Likewise on Sat night we came very close to STEALING this game but for once we came out on the wrong side of this exciting game
Yeah maybe Down aren't world beaters but for a 1st round match they certainly battled harder than any other team I've saw this year.
Maybe the Tyrone managment do have the stance now of purposely not being TOO fit this time of the year and to try to compensate for the easier runs other teams have to the 1/4 finals such as Kerry, Cork or Dublin.
After the game I too took part in the doom & Gloom outlook that we're a spent force and not a shadow of 2003 or 2005 with hunger, intensity and a great forward line being our main attributes.
So what's the pluses and negatives?
-ves
MF still a huge problem and currently our HF & HB line isn't compensating for this
Forward line is missing a Star forward and I hate to admit it but Sean is wasted in FF and needs to be running facing the goals not with his back to it.
MH seems to have become too loyal to some of his old servants too often and is slow to change them. Is this just stubborness or can't he see it?
Hub looks past it
Dooher was poor Sat but think he's more to give. Not fully fit yet.
+ves
Joey and Justin are two great footballers if they can stay fit
We've some good defenders waiting to break thru
Brian & Tommy McGuigan, Mugsy, McGinley,
I think IF we had a fit team
I would have
Lucky Dip Keeper
PJ
Joey
McCaul/Swift/Carlin/McGee
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Cavanagh
Justy
Dooher
B.McGuigan
Mulgrew
Mugsy
Tommy
McGinley
With Penrose, McCullagh. Mellon who played great on Sat all waiting to come in there is a descent enuf team there to get to the 1/4 finals and who knows with a run of matches maybe the final as long as they don't meet Kerry.
People talk about a lot of miles on the clock but with the exception of Holmes & Dooher & maybe Hub who else would U say you would drop from the team. Ricey? No!!
I think we were all hurt by Sat night with Down being so DOWN played for months or years now but I think if you look over the years and teams who went on to win AI's, how often did you leave the 1st round match to hear someone say
"Not much odd's who they meet next, they won't go too far"
Wouldn't disagree too much with that.
I really think the attitude of the players is going to be crucial in were we go from here. They've trained all year and should continue to show pride in the Tyrone jersey as they have always done. I just hope they stick by Harte ( a change in management now isnt an option) and give it a real go.
It's now you see who the real Tyrone supporters are to because in defeat you'll find a lot of our glory fans will disappear for the qualifiers and say they're not going back because the team or management are crap. I hope we try Justy McMahon in midfield with Cavanagh, as I really think that can solve our problems there. The positives out of the Down games for me were Justy,Tommy McGuigan and Penrose. All 3 have possibly cemented their place in the team and provided some freshness. Colm Cavanagh has also showed he can compete at the level. Mellon could be an option at midfield or even in the half backs as he has pace,good hands and can tackle. Lets just hope that our injury list clears a bit as any team will struggle without 4 decent forwards.
Absolutely TD, it's time to circle the wagons and raise it. This is definitely not the time to be talking of a change of management, rather it's the time for breathing space to reappraise and reformulate -- we owe MH that much at least.
I hope Ros arent "foireann eile " :o
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2008, 09:57:20 PM
I hope Ros arent "foireann eile " :o
Nah, I think we're nailed on for Meath! ;)
I'm actually feeling quite positive for the Qualifiers. There was a lot of fight in the team on Saturday, something which I felt has been lacking recently, for one reason or another.
I think losing could benefit Tyrone in the long run and they be back in Croke Park before the end of the summer.
Hard to beat optimism. In my opinion, there's not a sniff of an All-Ireland in this side as attitudes don't change overnight.
However, good enough to beat a few of the qualifier sides. Hopefully not an Ulster side though - been a while since we met a Connaught or Munster side.
Who'll be the side to drive the final nail into the Mickey Harte era though. Kerry? Armagh?
Lets see if we can beat the 91 page thread for the Down game with this one. 20 pages over the next 4 weeks followed by 15 pages after the game should do the trick. If I thought we'd no chance of doing anything this year then I'd really shake things up for the qualifiers and think of next year. Something like this:
Devine
PJ Quinn
McCarron
Swift
Mellon
Gormley
McCaul
Justy McMahon
C Cavanagh
Mulgrew
McGuigan
McGinley
Penrose
S Cavanagh
T McGuigan
As I said were we go from here will depend greatly on the attitude of the players. I just hope they havent trained from January and give up weekend after weekend to bow out of the championship without a fight.
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
Hard to beat optimism. In my opinion, there's not a sniff of an All-Ireland in this side as attitudes don't change overnight.
But then ONeill, as you said yourself not a million moons ago:
Quote from: ONeill on June 08, 2008, 11:17:09 PM
Crumbs of comfort for Tyrone is that the Derry game in '03 and the Cavan game on '05 were just as pessimistic.
;)
This is now graduation year writ-large for the younger lads. Keep the faith!
In my opinion Harte made made a fcuk upo when picking hisa panel this year, and I think he needs to look at who are the current form players in Tyrone.
Harte will probably want to stay on but hes walking no road until he acknowledges his errors
1) Mulligan / Hughes - thanks and goodbye
2) Analyse the capabilites and potential of the Peter Donnellys, C Gourleys, R Mellons, R Mc Menamins, D Hartes on the paneland ask, Are they still county standard and better than many club players out there - Surely these guys are now panellists at best.
3) HArte placed his conviction since 2006 on Raymie Mulgrew and has been proven wrong to the greater extent
4) Mc Cullough had a match saving ball to win and he wouldnt bend for it at the end of extra time. Bravery should be a prequisite.
5) Is Harte picking 2 many small men, old men, yellow men, average men,.
6) He used Gourley in midfield in the championship niot in the league
7) His bizarre on off relationship with Mc Caul - 2 shampionship games - no league football
8) His bizarre restrictions on Sean Cavanangh
9) The body language of Tyrones gretest ever defender Conor Gormley
10) His continual reference to injuries over the last 3 years in the media qualified by "Ill not use that as an excuse." In the Independent recently they talked about Paul Quinn / Aidan Mc Carron / Brian Dooher / and Brian Mc Guigans injuries. Excuse me but the first two were not Tyrone regulars. When would you hear about injured Kerry players who had played less than an hour for their counties in the national media.
11) It was Mickeys risk to take but he pinned Tyrone fortunes this year on Dooher and Mc Guigan coming back to full fitness - this was a high risk strategy and it failled, as much in the fact that it failed to deal with and was never going to deal with many of the other problesm that were obvious.
12) The loss of talent like Steven O neill, Aidan Mc Carron, Niall mc ginn, Shane Sweeney. Declan Mc Crossan - Could they have been managed better, Can they be got back - thats a huge grey area.
13) The qualifiers could be his last hurrah for the good of Mickey as a person and for Tyrone football which is more important than any one individual. Theres a nuimber of questions he probably needs to address if he is to achieve in the longer teram again..
Tir Eoghain abu
would agree with all of what FOF is saying apart from mulligan. he still has plenty to offer if managed right.
Pretty good post from FOF with lots of interesting points. I think the Tyrone public should get fully behind MH and the panel for the qualifiers with the situation evaluated after that - its the very least the management and panel of players deserve after the years of enjoyment they have given.
Yip its time for cool heads, we have to put a team out in a month
Hopefully we can get Mc Ginley, Brian, Mugsy, Mulgrew back fit again and I would be fairly optomistic for the qualifers. We def have to get behind the team right now for the good of Tyrone football. Hopefully we get a decent first round draw and take it from there. The lads showed tremendous fighting spirit on Saturday evening to come from four behind with eight minutes remaining to draw level in normal time and i would base alot of my optimism on this. Does anyone know when the draw for the qualifiers is due to be made?
I'm reliably informed that after Saturday's match there was the mother of all rallying calls from Harte and a senior member of the panel. Braveheart was mentioned. I also believe training has been stepped up including the Sabbath.
The dying kick starts now. Where will it take us?
Quote from: ONeill on June 17, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
I'm reliably informed that after Saturday's match there was the mother of all rallying calls from Harte and a senior member of the panel. Braveheart was mentioned. I also believe training has been stepped up including the Sabbath.
The dying kick starts now. Where will it take us?
Nowhere !
Quote from: feetofflames on June 17, 2008, 09:03:29 AM
In my opinion Harte made made a fcuk upo when picking hisa panel this year, and I think he needs to look at who are the current form players in Tyrone.
Harte will probably want to stay on but hes walking no road until he acknowledges his errors
1) Mulligan / Hughes - thanks and goodbye
2) Analyse the capabilites and potential of the Peter Donnellys, C Gourleys, R Mellons, R Mc Menamins, D Hartes on the paneland ask, Are they still county standard and better than many club players out there - Surely these guys are now panellists at best.
3) HArte placed his conviction since 2006 on Raymie Mulgrew and has been proven wrong to the greater extent
4) Mc Cullough had a match saving ball to win and he wouldnt bend for it at the end of extra time. Bravery should be a prequisite.
5) Is Harte picking 2 many small men, old men, yellow men, average men,.
6) He used Gourley in midfield in the championship niot in the league
7) His bizarre on off relationship with Mc Caul - 2 shampionship games - no league football
8) His bizarre restrictions on Sean Cavanangh
9) The body language of Tyrones gretest ever defender Conor Gormley
10) His continual reference to injuries over the last 3 years in the media qualified by "Ill not use that as an excuse." In the Independent recently they talked about Paul Quinn / Aidan Mc Carron / Brian Dooher / and Brian Mc Guigans injuries. Excuse me but the first two were not Tyrone regulars. When would you hear about injured Kerry players who had played less than an hour for their counties in the national media.
11) It was Mickeys risk to take but he pinned Tyrone fortunes this year on Dooher and Mc Guigan coming back to full fitness - this was a high risk strategy and it failled, as much in the fact that it failed to deal with and was never going to deal with many of the other problesm that were obvious.
12) The loss of talent like Steven O neill, Aidan Mc Carron, Niall mc ginn, Shane Sweeney. Declan Mc Crossan - Could they have been managed better, Can they be got back - thats a huge grey area.
13) The qualifiers could be his last hurrah for the good of Mickey as a person and for Tyrone football which is more important than any one individual. Theres a nuimber of questions he probably needs to address if he is to achieve in the longer teram again..
Tir Eoghain abu
Great post FOF - But as for Tyrone's GREATEST EVER DEFENDER ? That's quite a boast ! He is a great defender no doubt, but Tyrone's greatest ? That would make a great debate and should be the subject of a separate thread.
OM try and be optomistic not pessemistic. Can you tell us much about Brians rib injury? He be out for long?
I can leave you lads to wake your own in peace if you like but one point i'd make given that i keep seeing his name pop up for praise - i thought Joe McMahon pushed hub hard for worst player on the pitch sat night
Quote from: Uladh on June 17, 2008, 02:37:43 PM
I can leave you lads to wake your own in peace if you like but one point i'd make given that i keep seeing his name pop up for praise - i thought Joe McMahon pushed hub hard for worst player on the pitch sat night
In fairness to Hub he wasn't around long enough to do much damage.
Quote from: snappiered on June 17, 2008, 02:32:57 PM
OM try and be optomistic not pessemistic. Can you tell us much about Brians rib injury? He be out for long?
I really don't know anything about it. I hope he isn't out too long.
I think you have to look at it like this :
In 2003 and 2005 Tyrone had the best, fittest, hungriest, most committed, most talented squad players who ( with a bit of luck along the way on both occasions ) performed at the highest level in order to achieve what they did, i.e. 2 All Irelands -
In 2008 Tyrone are not the best, nor are they the fittest, - they inevitably with the passage of time have not the same hunger or same level of commitment to the cause and very definitely have been cursed by bad luck since 2003 and even before that.
So it's no shame for them - they have achieved - we'd all like to achieve more, but it simply isn't going to happen - you can't flog a dead horse !
Quote from: orangeman on June 17, 2008, 05:01:01 PM
In 2003 and 2005 Tyrone had the best, fittest, hungriest, most committed, most talented squad players who ( with a bit of luck along the way on both occasions ) performed at the highest level in order to achieve what they did, i.e. 2 All Irelands -
There'd have been several games towards the business end of the season in both those years where you'd have been hard pressed to say that we had the "...best, fittest, hungriest, most committed, most talented squad" of players. Think Derry '03, Wexford & Cavan '05.
can anyone tell me what format the qualifiers will take this year? is it now an open draw between all the losing provincial quarter finalists (bar division 4 teams), or will, for example, the losers from the semi final also be in 1st round draw, saying that ulster semi finals will be over by the time the 1st round of qualifiers will be played?
From the GAA's website, og:
Round One - 19.07.08 (Sat)
Sixteen Teams to be drawn to play eight games in a completely open Draw. First team drawn to play at home, subject to home venue having satisfied the National Infrastructure and Safety Committee criteria.
Round Two - 26.07.08 (Sat)
Eight Teams drawn from the eight First Round winners
As Round 1 above.
Round Three - 02/03/04.08.08 (Sat, Sun, Mon)
The four Winners from Round Two drawn against the Four Provincial Final
Losers. Venues to be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Quarter-Finals - 09-10.08.08 (Sat/Sun)
The four Provincial Champions draw against the four Round Three Winners. Venues to be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 17, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
From the GAA's website, og:
Round One - 19.07.08 (Sat)
Sixteen Teams to be drawn to play eight games in a completely open Draw. First team drawn to play at home, subject to home venue having satisfied the National Infrastructure and Safety Committee criteria.
Louth? Can't think of any other county with a poor home ground.
I'm not saying it will benefit us but any team entering the quarters having won 3 qualifiers 3 weeks in a row are bound to be confident. If we can get through the first couple of qualifiers I think we'll be hard enough to beat. A home draw against Tipperary would be a nice first round draw followed by the winners of Roscommon and Limerick in round 2 again at home.
Did Harte give the players the week off or were they back at it tonight? Would be interesting to know if everyone turns up. This could be Dooher's last year and considering the unbelievable effort he has given the past 11 years he deserves to be repaid by a big effort from the rest of the players for the qualifiers.
As I said before I wish peope would stop moaning about Harte at this point. We got beat on Saturday night after a terrific game by one point. We were missing 4 potential starting forwards - McGinley,McGuigan,Mulgrew and Mulligan. We also lost another forward Colm Cavanagh to injury. When you add this to losing Canavan and O'Neill you cant be too critical of the manager.
Although I think Harte got some things wrong the other night Im not convinced any other manager would have done any better. Brian McIvor has been mentioned but his Donegal team has blown it this past 3 years (and his 1 league title at county level hardly compares to Hartes All Ireland Minor, 2 u21 All Irelands, 2 ulster senior and 2 all ireland senior) and after watching his antics against his home county this past 2 years (including shouting at our free takers in Edendork to put them off) I dont think he should get the job. The U21 dream management team last year (with Tally as trainer) was unable to do anything with a very strong Tyrone team who got beat by an average Armagh outfit.
If we go nowhere in the qualifiers then people can start to discuss a change in management but it will do no good at this point. You's will have plenty of time to complain when the season is over.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 17, 2008, 09:25:49 PM
This could be Dooher's last year and considering the unbelievable effort he has given the past 11 years he deserves to be repaid by a big effort from the rest of the players for the qualifiers.
Similarly Brian McGuigan made a supreme effort to get back to inter-county football and he deserves more than being dumped out of the championship at the start of July.
Must say I find it bizarre somebody could call for Mugsy to quit. He was really coming back onto form in the league before injury and is still a young enough lad, a fit Mulligan has a lot to offer. Similarly Mulgrew often gets a hard time when its not deserved. He has suffered due to being hyped up (and coming into a struggling team and being expected to save them) but he has had some excellent games for Tyrone and will get better. Other lads like Ricey and Harte are good players who still have plenty to offer and even the likes of Mellon and Gourley are good panelists.
If the panel rallies around now and we finally get a bit of luck with injuries then Tyrone could still have a decent summer (without winning Sam). More likely though that half the team will go down with more injuries and we'll get Meath in the first round >:(.
I agree about Mulligan. He was very good down in Galway and was playing well against Laios. He looked sharper than he had done in a long time and seemed to have his confidence back. Just typical of Tyrone's luck that he picked up an injury that has already kept him out for 3 months and still doesnt appear to have gone away.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 17, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
Round Two - 26.07.08 (Sat)
Eight Teams drawn from the eight First Round winners
As Round 1 above.
If Tyrone make it through to Round Two, that's the first round of the County Championship out the window.
I'm suprised they didnt try to play all the first round games now when there was a decent break.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 17, 2008, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 17, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
Round Two - 26.07.08 (Sat)
Eight Teams drawn from the eight First Round winners
As Round 1 above.
If Tyrone make it through to Round Two, that's the first round of the County Championship out the window.
Why? The Championship games are fixed for Friday and Sunday and don't involve any county players.
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 17, 2008, 10:52:42 PM
Why? The Championship games are fixed for Friday and Sunday and don't involve any county players.
What about the Saturday? Anyway, don't they need 6 days without club football?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 17, 2008, 10:49:12 PM
I'm suprised they didnt try to play all the first round games now when there was a decent break.
Not all teams are in the initial mix yet, i.e., Down or Armagh, Derry or Fermanagh, Dublin or Westmeath, etc.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 17, 2008, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 17, 2008, 10:52:42 PM
Why? The Championship games are fixed for Friday and Sunday and don't involve any county players.
What about the Saturday? Anyway, don't they need 6 days without club football?
There are no club championship games fixed for the Saturday, and no-one on the county panel is involved with any of the teams that have games fixed for the Friday or the Sunday, I don't see any conflict or reason why the championship wouldn't go ahead as per Norf's post in the Tyrone Club thread
Quote from: feetofflames on June 17, 2008, 09:03:29 AM
In my opinion Harte made made a fcuk upo when picking hisa panel this year, and I think he needs to look at who are the current form players in Tyrone.
Harte will probably want to stay on but hes walking no road until he acknowledges his errors
1) Mulligan / Hughes - thanks and goodbye
2) Analyse the capabilites and potential of the Peter Donnellys, C Gourleys, R Mellons, R Mc Menamins, D Hartes on the paneland ask, Are they still county standard and better than many club players out there - Surely these guys are now panellists at best.
3) HArte placed his conviction since 2006 on Raymie Mulgrew and has been proven wrong to the greater extent
4) Mc Cullough had a match saving ball to win and he wouldnt bend for it at the end of extra time. Bravery should be a prequisite.
5) Is Harte picking 2 many small men, old men, yellow men, average men,.
6) He used Gourley in midfield in the championship niot in the league
7) His bizarre on off relationship with Mc Caul - 2 shampionship games - no league football
8) His bizarre restrictions on Sean Cavanangh
9) The body language of Tyrones gretest ever defender Conor Gormley
10) His continual reference to injuries over the last 3 years in the media qualified by "Ill not use that as an excuse." In the Independent recently they talked about Paul Quinn / Aidan Mc Carron / Brian Dooher / and Brian Mc Guigans injuries. Excuse me but the first two were not Tyrone regulars. When would you hear about injured Kerry players who had played less than an hour for their counties in the national media.
11) It was Mickeys risk to take but he pinned Tyrone fortunes this year on Dooher and Mc Guigan coming back to full fitness - this was a high risk strategy and it failled, as much in the fact that it failed to deal with and was never going to deal with many of the other problesm that were obvious.
12) The loss of talent like Steven O neill, Aidan Mc Carron, Niall mc ginn, Shane Sweeney. Declan Mc Crossan - Could they have been managed better, Can they be got back - thats a huge grey area.
13) The qualifiers could be his last hurrah for the good of Mickey as a person and for Tyrone football which is more important than any one individual. Theres a nuimber of questions he probably needs to address if he is to achieve in the longer teram again..
Tir Eoghain abu
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Fair amount of inaccuracy there in my opinion.
1. I think Mulligan will come good again
2. McMenamin has been about the best club player in Tyrone so far this year.
4. Serious lack of knowledge of McCullagh if you are questioning the man's bravery.
10 & 13, you criticise Harte for referencing injury to Aidan McCarron, the in 13, you do reference the same thing yourself?
Anyway I think we will be able to judge a bit better in the next games, for both Tyrone and Down, what standard of games and teams were looking at.
I believe Sunday mornings are now Harte-time. Good to hear they're going full pelt at it for the next month.
When you add this to losing Canavan and O'Neill you cant be too critical of the manager.
Tyrone dreamer
You, and the management team need to stop mentioning Canavan and O Neill. Its ridiculous. Canavan and possibly O neill he couldnt do anything about, so why keep bleating on about it. If I was the Harte man I would lift the phone to Stevie O neill and see how hes doing if only out of respect, but he'll not do that, we must careful what we are wishing for / lamenting. Could come back and bite.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 17, 2008, 09:54:48 PM
I agree about Mulligan. He was very good down in Galway and was playing well against Laios. He looked sharper than he had done in a long time and seemed to have his confidence back. Just typical of Tyrone's luck that he picked up an injury that has already kept him out for 3 months and still doesnt appear to have gone away.
He looked really sharp the other night in the Conway Inn with that floor scraper ! ;)
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
He was thinking of Tyrone at that stage ! It was part of his rehab doing the thing were you belly dance under the bar ! ;) :D ;D
will mickey even last the summer, i have a funny feeling he will be gone before the 1/4 finals, no intercounty manager should be in place for more than 3 years tops
Quote from: thehulk!! on June 18, 2008, 11:38:01 AM
will mickey even last the summer, i have a funny feeling he will be gone before the 1/4 finals, no intercounty manager should be in place for more than 3 years tops
What if we make it to the quarters?
cant see it happening in all fairness tyrone will end up in a dog fight or two and then they will bow out- regardless even if they make a quarter or low and behold a semi if they got leinster opposition in a quarter they would be laughing but harte still should go no matter what- another managers may get o neill back
Quote from: feetofflames on June 18, 2008, 08:33:40 AM
When you add this to losing Canavan and O'Neill you cant be too critical of the manager.
Tyrone dreamer
You, and the management team need to stop mentioning Canavan and O Neill. Its ridiculous. Canavan and possibly O neill he couldnt do anything about, so why keep bleating on about it. If I was the Harte man I would lift the phone to Stevie O neill and see how hes doing if only out of respect, but he'll not do that, we must careful what we are wishing for / lamenting. Could come back and bite.
Just like people have to understand that Harte hasnt got the same quality of players at his disposal as he did in 2005 and stop judging performances now against that team.
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Surely that has to be a joke? You'd like to think one the senior players in the squad wouldnt miss a championship match for this even if he wasnt fit to play.
DEFAMATION!!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 18, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Surely that has to be a joke? You'd like to think one the senior players in the squad wouldnt miss a championship match for this even if he wasnt fit to play.
Are we to assume that Mulligan's weekend rehabilitation programme means that he has been suffering not from a damaged hamstring but, like stevie O Neill, a fractured relationship with the bearded one?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 18, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Surely that has to be a joke? You'd like to think one the senior players in the squad wouldnt miss a championship match for this even if he wasnt fit to play.
No Joke. I couldn't believe it when i seen him !
Quote from: passedit on June 18, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 18, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Surely that has to be a joke? You'd like to think one the senior players in the squad wouldnt miss a championship match for this even if he wasnt fit to play.
Are we to assume that Mulligan's weekend rehabilitation programme means that he has been suffering not from a damaged hamstring but, like stevie O Neill, a fractured relationship with the bearded one?
Jesus forgives.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 19, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 18, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 18, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: amigo on June 18, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
He wasnt looking so sharp on Saturday night when i saw him at the Beach Party in Portrush!! ;)
Surely that has to be a joke? You'd like to think one the senior players in the squad wouldnt miss a championship match for this even if he wasnt fit to play.
Are we to assume that Mulligan's weekend rehabilitation programme means that he has been suffering not from a damaged hamstring but, like stevie O Neill, a fractured relationship with the bearded one?
Jesus forgives.
Jesus forgives but the Tyrone supporters don't ! ;)
Was saddened to hear that Mickey took some serious abuse after the game on Saturday from a sizeable crowd of our own supporters, the details of which were relayed to me from a Down backroom member. I suppose it's a mixture of jealousy and ignorance.
It's ok to express your view that Mickey, in your opinion, should step down as long as it's rational and honest. But the above is sad to hear and I feel ashamed of our own. Harte is a legend due to his unprecedented success at underage and delivering the Holy Grail twice, the second of which gave us some of our greatest days. He has given everything to Tyrone as a manager since 1993.
In my opinion he should see this year out and then step down in order to inject some freshness. Perhaps the Meath game was the perfect time.
The 2003 and 2005 team / squad has been decimated due to death, injury and retirements, none of which can be attributable to MH - ok maybe he should have revamped his backroom team and maybe he is too loyal to some of his older guys and matbe he should have tried out new people - but overall MH has served Tyrone football well and I like O'Neill am saddened but not surprised to hear of the abuse that some so called supporters fired in MH's direction last Saturday night - I'm sure these were the same people who were back slapping in 2003, 2005 and last July in Clones !
..probably trotted out the line, we pay our money at the gate so we can, rubbish... I like manners in anyone at any level in whatever they do and i think bad manners should never be tolerated. Pete Mc Grath ironically suffered the same fate in Down.
listen it undoubtedly it time for a freshen up of the training methodology and potentially the management, if only because it looks and feels like we are at the end of a cycle in a playing sense.
Any strategy is only as good as the players implementing it and playing styles should move with the times.
Theres also a certain amount of rumours circulating about Hartes relationship with key players past and present. This concerns me more than anything.
All this rumour mongering does not help Tyrone.
My feeling is that I wouldnt expect any more from Tyrone for the next couple of years , and we may need a rebuilding process and the type of man who can do that. If Mickey seriously wished to undertake that process I would have to give him my full support.
Quote from: rrhf on June 20, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
..probably trotted out the line, we pay our money at the gate so we can, rubbish... I like manners in anyone at any level in whatever they do and i think bad manners should never be tolerated. Pete Mc Grath ironically suffered the same fate in Down.
listen it undoubtedly it time for a freshen up of the training methodology and potentially the management, if only because it looks and feels like we are at the end of a cycle in a playing sense.
Any strategy is only as good as the players implementing it and playing styles should move with the times.
Theres also a certain amount of rumours circulating about Hartes relationship with key players past and present. This concerns me more than anything.
All this rumour mongering does not help Tyrone.
My feeling is that I wouldnt expect any more from Tyrone for the next couple of years , and we may need a rebuilding process and the type of man who can do that. If Mickey seriously wished to undertake that process I would have to give him my full support.
This morning's Irish News tells how Meath under Sean Boylan were allowed to rebuild after lean spells and glory came along after that - MH is now the longest serving manager and to be honest I don't think he's going too far in the near future. There won't be too many looking to take over and as I said before, the job is his until HE decides he doesn't want it anymore.
Nobody will do a better job than Mickey Harte so anyone who thinks a change of the guard will improve our chances need to think again. If Mickey wants to stay on he's more than welcome afaik. He is the best manager we have ever had by a long way and probably will ever have. We'll rue the day he decides he's had enough - mark my words.
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 20, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
Nobody will do a better job than Mickey Harte so anyone who thinks a change of the guard will improve our chances need to think again. If Mickey wants to stay on he's more than welcome afaik. He is the best manager we have ever had by a long way and probably will ever have. We'll rue the day he decides he's had enough - mark my words.
That's the problem SS - I don't think we recognise that MH is a good manager the team have broken up through injury etc etc - nothing lasts forever !
Generally in life, we only miss somebody when they're gone.
At the time Pete McGrath left the Down setup there were many who said good riddance...and I for one felt saddened that he would be remembered for that instead of bringing 2 allirelands in 91+94. Gladly though a few years on, that is not at all the truth, and he has now the utmost respect from I would say 99% of people in Down (although I haven't carried out a survey)!
You'll never please all of the people all of the time....but if you can please most of the poeple most of the time then fair play! Mickey Harte has done enough for Tyrone football to be given a shot at rebuilding a 2nd Tyrone team. If he fails there will be the begrudgers but in the long term he will always be remembered in Tyrone for the 2003+2005 successes!
Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 10:07:27 AM
Was saddened to hear that Mickey took some serious abuse after the game on Saturday from a sizeable crowd of our own supporters, the details of which were relayed to me from a Down backroom member. I suppose it's a mixture of jealousy and ignorance.
It's ok to express your view that Mickey, in your opinion, should step down as long as it's rational and honest. But the above is sad to hear and I feel ashamed of our own. Harte is a legend due to his unprecedented success at underage and delivering the Holy Grail twice, the second of which gave us some of our greatest days. He has given everything to Tyrone as a manager since 1993.
In my opinion he should see this year out and then step down in order to inject some freshness. Perhaps the Meath game was the perfect time.
And we often have the audacity to accuse the Dubs of soccer style supporting. :-X
Quote from: Zapatista on June 20, 2008, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 10:07:27 AM
Was saddened to hear that Mickey took some serious abuse after the game on Saturday from a sizeable crowd of our own supporters, the details of which were relayed to me from a Down backroom member. I suppose it's a mixture of jealousy and ignorance.
It's ok to express your view that Mickey, in your opinion, should step down as long as it's rational and honest. But the above is sad to hear and I feel ashamed of our own. Harte is a legend due to his unprecedented success at underage and delivering the Holy Grail twice, the second of which gave us some of our greatest days. He has given everything to Tyrone as a manager since 1993.
In my opinion he should see this year out and then step down in order to inject some freshness. Perhaps the Meath game was the perfect time.
And we often have the audacity to accuse the Dubs of soccer style supporting. :-X
Fair enough point, but I think you'll find there were only a few morons shouting abuse - the vast majority of Tyrone fans would never indulge in that shite !
I know OM I just wanted to use the word 'audacity' in a sentence :D
Quote from: Zapatista on June 20, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
I know OM I just wanted to use the word 'audacity' in a sentence :D
;) :D
We've went two championships without an All Ireland. Before Mickey Harte came along we had went over 100 years without an All Ireland. We won the ulster title last year, something which is a decent enough achievement. How many other current ulster county managers have won an ulster title? I dont see these managers getting serious abuse. People have to appreciate exactly what Mickey Harte has brought to Tyrone football this past 15 years and catch themselves on. People are quick to say Canavan won us the all irelands but he played for Tyrone for many years before Mickey came along and wasnt involved in Hartes 3 All Ireland underage titles.
Quote from: orangeman on June 20, 2008, 05:00:52 PM
...but I think you'll find there were only a few morons shouting abuse - the vast majority of Tyrone fans would never indulge in that shite !
Noble sentiments
orangeman, now for a little less pessimism regarding this year's prospects please! ;)
So, if by 19th July, the following are fit and raring to go:
Keeper, Ricey, Joe Mc, McGee, Harte, Gormley, Jordan, Cavanagh, Hughes, Dooher, McGuigan, McGinley, Mellon = 13 players who are seasoned All-Irelanders
surely all we need is 2-3 players capable of matching that level and 2-3 on the bench capable of reaching that performance.
Post-2005, name 3 players who could have fitted in to the 03/05 side?
Tommy Mc Guigan, Mulgrew, and Mc Caul -- would've challenged for a place, at least.
QuoteTommy Mc Guigan, Mulgrew
Ahead of whom?
That's the question ONeill, but I'd say after the Cavan game they'd have been in the frame. All too easy in retrospect of course.
Lads, whats wrong with Justy at full back?I think he's done great since introduced there. Other than the Armagh semi final,Kerry final and meath last year what games has big joe played full back?? Add to the fact that Brosnan destroyed him for the first half, then cricko came on for him to steady ship. While Shane O'Rourke took him to the cleaners also.
Justy has been able to deal with very mobile players and with the big man. Im of the opinion that joey is better use out the field and with the Down game over him he'll progress in match fitness and confidence and could be a great option at midfield with big sean. We need him somewhere in that middle sector (maybe even at 5, where he played in 04) esp with teams using the blanket defence, possesion is vital and thats where joey's vision and use of the ball comes into play.
I've a lot of time for the hub, If told to go out and do a job, i.e break kickouts, put tackels in and spoil he can be very effective.
Fair point young anail, I completely forgot about Justin, and ONeill was too devious to correct me once he was proved wrong ;) Absolutely, a dead cert he is, a great footballer, and would have had any number of the '05 lads looking over their shoulders.
QuoteFair point young anail, I completely forgot about Justin, and ONeill was too devious to correct me once he was proved wrong Wink
eh?
You asked for three, you've been given four. Or do you deny that after the Cavan game more than one of those would have been denied a fair hearing?
After the drawn Cavan game, Tyrone annihilated the opposition. After the drawn Down game, Tyrone lost. Not sure if that answers it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2008, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 20, 2008, 05:00:52 PM
...but I think you'll find there were only a few morons shouting abuse - the vast majority of Tyrone fans would never indulge in that shite !
Noble sentiments orangeman, now for a little less pessimism regarding this year's prospects please! ;)
I wish I could be more postive but expectations levels have definitely fallen in most people's minds - we need a few new players to blend with some of the more experienced ones and then maybe ....... ?
Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 11:33:22 PM
After the drawn Cavan game, Tyrone annihilated the opposition. After the drawn Down game, Tyrone lost. Not sure if that answers it.
Not sure if that answers it either, but I'd say if those four players had been on the bench the surgical work might have been a bit more radical after the drawn game in '05. Down 2008 is a completely different animal from either Down '03 or Cavan '05 IMHO, no valid inference can be drawn there - QED to be sure, we're not the cream of the material we were, but neither have the opposition to date been the dregs that they once might have been (and that we were too), where a draw represented nothing less than a foregone conclusion, an assured formality for Tyrone in the replay. If we'd met that Down team in '03, and they'd gone 9 points ahead, we could have kissed goodbye to our aspirations for that year, and even if we had drawn, we would have found it equally difficult in the replay. Different time, different teams.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
Not sure if that answers it either, but I'd say if those four players had been on the bench the surgical work might have been a bit more radical after the drawn game in '05. Down 2008 is a completely different animal from either Down '03 or Cavan '05 IMHO, no valid inference can be drawn there - QED to be sure, we're not the cream of the material we were, but neither have the opposition to date been the dregs that they once might have been (and that we were too), where a draw represented nothing less than a foregone conclusion, an assured formality for Tyrone in the replay. If we' met that Down team in '03, and they'd gone 9 points ahead, we could have kissed goodbye to our aspirations for that year, and even if we had drawn, we would have found it equally difficult in the replay. Different time, different teams.
My sentiments exactly.
No I disagree. Firstly, for you to say Down, as Ulster finalists, are a different beast to this year's team still needs some kind of vindication. I honestly cannot make head nor tail of your next 100-word sentence.
With Canavan and O'Neill anything was possible.
Quote from: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 12:22:02 AM
No I disagree. Firstly, for you to say Down, as Ulster finalists, are a different beast to this year's team still needs some kind of vindication. I honestly cannot make head nor tail of your next 100-word sentence.
Comprehension! Let the teachers be taught perhaps? ;)
Now, we can delve into root-and-branch analysis of Down's passage to the Ulster Final in '03, but I'd venture that it involved a few fewer potholes than this potential path for them does (we were a big pothole), in this year that's in it. I think they're a much stronger team, and I think the Ulster Championship is the winner as a result thereof - do you disagree?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 20, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
We've went two championships without an All Ireland. Before Mickey Harte came along we had went over 100 years without an All Ireland. We won the ulster title last year, something which is a decent enough achievement. How many other current ulster county managers have won an ulster title? I dont see these managers getting serious abuse. People have to appreciate exactly what Mickey Harte has brought to Tyrone football this past 15 years and catch themselves on. People are quick to say Canavan won us the all irelands but he played for Tyrone for many years before Mickey came along and wasnt involved in Hartes 3 All Ireland underage titles.
Indeed, Harte getting abuse from supporters is a complete joke. He has had a superb generation of players to work with but so have plenty other counties and managers who have failed to match the success Mickey has had. Success achieved despite tragedy away from the field of play as well.
Of the years other than 2003 and 2005 I think 2007 was the one that got away. Given the events of 2004 Sam was never likely and the panel was missing so many lads in 2006 that it just wasnt going to happen. 2007 though the team started to come together nicely and regained Ulster. Had Tyrone been able to then go into the All-Ireland series with a fit Dooher, McGuigan and O'Neill they would have taken some stopping. But it wasnt to be.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 21, 2008, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 12:22:02 AM
No I disagree. Firstly, for you to say Down, as Ulster finalists, are a different beast to this year's team still needs some kind of vindication. I honestly cannot make head nor tail of your next 100-word sentence.
Comprehension! Let the teachers be taught perhaps? ;)
Now, we can delve into root-and-branch analysis of Down's passage to the Ulster Final in '03, but I'd venture that it involved a few fewer potholes than this potential path for them does (we were a big pothole), in this year that's in it. I think they're a much stronger team, and I think the Ulster Championship is the winner as a result thereof - do you disagree?
Yes, Down are a Division 3 team that failed to get out of Division 3.
So league positions/divisions are the ultimate determinant?
Who were the last All-Ireland finalists outside of 1a or 1b?
Beside the point of the Championship surely? So, you are pre-determined based solely on the League position (maybe Galway in 2001 was the last non-Top League team to win Sam)?
On that basis then, we, a Division 1 team, have a much greater chance of success than Down (who cares about the Ulster). Game on!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 21, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Beside the point of the Championship surely? So, you are pre-determined based solely on the League position (maybe Galway in 2001 was the last non-Top League team to win Sam)?
You're joking, aren't you?
OK, not joking as such, but maybe not anchored in unalloyed reality either ;)
Nonetheless, it's by no means a pre-requisite that a team must be a Div 1 team that can't be beaten by a lower division team to win Sam... we're not totally beyond hope yet.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 21, 2008, 01:38:41 AM
OK, not joking as such, but maybe not anchored in unalloyed reality either ;)
Nonetheless, it's by no means a pre-requisite that a team must be a Div 1 team that can't be beaten by a lower division team to win Sam... we're not totally beyond hope yet.
True Fear but it is a lot more unlikely for it to happen. A lower divison team could beat a higher division team anytime but to win Sam would be quite a shock. Pehaps we are eing fooled by our league position.
Plenty of debate in the papers these days regarding Harte's future. The Irish News appear to be Harte men, fairly big time. If you're good to the media, they're good to you.
The Tribune has some kind of feature article on him tomorrow.
Voices screaming for Tyrone change are missing the point
The Boot Room
by Brendan Crossan
"If you go to a replay and you don't win, there is no argument. There is no rub of the green going against you because over that length of game, including extra-time, the better team always comes out on top.
"Down were the better team and that's why they're in the semi-final."
THE above quotation was uttered by Mickey Harte after Tyrone exited the Ulster Championship to Down last Saturday night after two epic encounters.
It was typical of the man. Magnanimous to the bitter end.
Win, lose or draw, Harte is always the same. He's as humble in defeat as he is in victory. There's no better man and no better manager in the GAA than Mickey Harte.
He ticks all the boxes. Tyrone should be thankful for an ambassador like him.
But, as sure as night follows day, there are calls for the double All-Ireland winning manager to step down after the Red Hands fell at the first hurdle of the provincial Championship last weekend.
Whether it is on internet discussion boards, among media pundits or merely bar-room chat, there appears a swelling body of opinion that says Mickey Harte should resign as Tyrone senior football manager.
A smidgen of it is well-intentioned, but a fair chunk of it is steeped in parish/county jealousy. It's how the GAA works, you see, especially in the O'Neill county.
Many dissenting voices point to some perceived tactical errors made by the manager against Down, while others believe the whole set-up has simply gone stale and the best remedy is a new man at the helm.
It is always good for any discourse to offer up various points of view, but to suggest Harte should step aside, and maybe return to the job in a few years time, is misplaced.
Firstly, Tyrone already have the best man in the job. And, secondly, to suggest he resigns now and returns by popular demand a few years down the line would reduce him to a glory-hunter, someone who only re-emerges when he sees the sun begin to peek over the horizon again. Silverware is a driving force for any manager, but not the only one.
If the Red Hands are in transition, then it is Mickey Harte's prerogative to oversee that process, just as Sean Boylan did in Meath.
For Boylan, there were some thin times before and after winning four All-Ireland titles between 1983 and 2006. It wasn't always about the silverware; it was about developing young people as much as it was about developing their sporting talents.
Harte has played more than the one-dimensional role of football manager in Tyrone since the early 1990s. He offered compassionate and strong leadership when players Paul McGirr and Cormac McAnallen lost their lives.
Tyrone couldn't wish for a better role model and his players won't come across a better mentor while they're still fit and young enough to run up and down a football pitch.
But, if you think this column is about to wrap itself in sentimental clothes, let's look at Tyrone's two performances against Down.
The players tried their proverbial eye-strings out for themselves, their team-mates, their families and their manager both in Healy Park and Pairc Esler.
You can discuss the merits of a manager's tactics forever and a day, but if players are seen not to be trying as hard as they should, then the manager is culpable. Tyrone have not reached that point under Harte. In fact, the Tyrone boss couldn't have squeezed any more air from his players in Omagh and Newry.
It wasn't so long ago the current incumbent was being lauded as a tactical genius; the man with a plan for every eventuality. A successful manager never forgets how to move the pieces around the board to win a game.
More than anything, Harte appreciates the subtle differences between being single-minded and being dogmatic. He saw the merits in playing a big man up front this term – a la Kieran Donaghy – but fielded a smaller, more mobile attack during most of Tyrone's National League campaign.
The latter permutation invariably failed and, therefore, the manager was forced to put a few square pegs into round holes against Down. Midfielder Sean Cavanagh was posted to the edge of the square and defender Conor Gormley was moved into centrefield.
It could be argued Harte got it wrong in both instances, but the core problem is that Tyrone do not possess the attacking riches of
previous summers.
With no Peter Canavan, Stephen O'Neill or Owen Mulligan, Tyrone were bound to struggle in attack. Add into the mix Brian McGuigan and Brian Dooher's respective injury nightmares of late and Harte's options were sorely limited.
You will also hear the begrudging cry that Mickey Harte's Tyrone wouldn't have won two All-Irelands had it not been for a man called Peter Canavan.
While undoubtedly the greatest player of his generation, Canavan also played in many failed Tyrone teams. The Red Hands only realised their potential when Harte arrived on the senior stage.
What is more worrisome in all of this is with each passing year, the similarities between the GAA and the English Premier League become more striking. If a team loses a few games, then the calls grow for the manager's head.
Maybe it's the fault of the English tabloid newspaper industry for this cultural malaise that's seeped into the GAA psyche where it becomes acceptable to demand change and worry about an alternative later.
This is, after all, the GAA we're talking about here, where etiquette is supposed to count for something. There is no multi-million pound transfer market in place where a manager can make sweeping changes with a few signatures from the chairman's pen.
The GAA, on the other hand, has to put its faith in the U14 and U16 development squads and dreams of the next golden generation to emerge.
And still we're inclined to apply the same twisted logic of big-time soccer to the world of gaelic football. These are not only confusing times for the average GAA fan – but also for the man who has delivered for Tyrone on countless occasions, and will do so again...
Although much of this is true, I suggest, Mr Crossan, that you do a little bit of research into why certain players,including the best in the land in 2005, are not playing for their county.
I doubt if it's as wide spread as he is making out. Here we discuss GAA matters and this is a GAA matter. It is logical for it to be discussed here. FFS we discussed SON coming back and we had a great thread about the type of manager Mick O'Dwyer is. It is only discussion and I don't think too many are seriously looking for heads to roll but moreso voicing their opinions. However, after this article more will be discussing it.
Lets not judge it on popularity contests or media spin or injury or indeed past mistakes or glories. Lets judge it on current management skills and the ability to marshall his troops. Mickey is going to have another crack at this thing in the back door. Nobody klnow better than Micket the terrain that he plys his trade in. He entered senior management in acrimonious circumstances beyond his control and the reality is he may leave in the same terms beyond his control, and thats life managing Tyrone. If he has as terrible a game as he performed against Down then he probably has to go, We have criticised Big Joe, Mc Cullagh, hub etc - Harte was the worst performer Tyrone had on the night and his decision making cost Tyrone the game. Lets see how it pans out in the next game. Lets not be sucked in by spin either. Results count only from here on but everything has to be masured in terms of progression / regression etc or before we know it we will be out of the top 10 if we are not close to that already. Reality is we should also be in division 2
Quote from: rrhf on June 21, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
Lets not judge it on poularity contests or media spin or injury ior indeed past mistakes or glories. Lets judge it on current management skills and the ability to marshall his troops. Mickey is going to have another crack at this thing in the back door. If he has as terrible a game as he performed against Down then he probably has to go. Against Down his decision making cost Tyrone the game. Lets see how it pans out in the next game. Lets not be sucked in by spin either. Results only from here on.
I don't really see it that way. MH wasn't able to field a full side - no Mulligan, Mulgrew, 2 Mc Guigans, Mc Ginley -
All that can be said with any certainty is that mourning for the likes of Canavan and O'Neill is not helpful in the extreme -- we have what we have, which may, or may not be, good enough. The time for navel gazing is long past, and any manager worth his salt will produce a team that is substantially greater than the sum of its parts. Is MH that manager in 2008? Time will tell soon enough, and until that time we should row in behind the team that we have and dream the impossible dream. There'll be plenty of time for nostalgia when the last ball has been kicked.
Agreed , we have to look forward to the rest of this season and see whether we at least punch our weight whatever that may be. My fear is that Tyrone outside their ai runs have flattered to deceive. I recall defeats to Laois, Wexford (League semi final), Derry, Meath and now Down all teams that we would have thought we should have defeated where we putting it together consistently since 2005. Even with molre injured men, Tyrone should have been beating all these teams.
Kerry
Armagh
Dublin
Meath
Laois
Wexford,
Galway
Mayo
Cork
Fermanagh
Westmeath
All thse teams could argue they deserve to be in the top 10 alongside and even before the redhand county.
Was the loss of Canavan managed properly or used as an excuse? a 3 year injury / retirement crisis does not strike me as a county moving on or forward. Why dosent Mickey ring Stevie if he wants him back? Surely we should have rebuilt moved on by now no disrespect to any of the injured retired lads.
Quote from: rrhf on June 21, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
Even with molre injured men, Tyrone should have been beating all these teams.
Was the loss of Canavan managed properly or used as an excuse? a 3 year injury / retirement crisis does not strike me as a county moving on or forward. Why dosent Mickey ring Stevie if he wants him back? Surely we should have rebuilt moved on by now no disrespect to any of the injured retired lads.
I disagree strongly with the initial point. Without the likes of McGuigan, SON, Dooher etc Tyrone are not the same team (there isnt a county around who could cope with the injuries Tyrone have had since 2005) and cannot be just expecting to defeat the sides you mentioned.
Nor do I see the loss of Canavan as being a factor. Age catches up with us as all and Peter was right to retire. It wasnt the loss of Peter that really cost Tyrone post 2005, he was always going to be stepping down at some point, it was the loss of other younger players through unexpected injuries.
Saying we should have rebuilt and moved on sounds great but how do you expect to just replace players of that quality and move on? Impossible.
And if it was as simple as simply calling SON and getting him back Im sure it would have been done. The lad made a choice to quit, people have to respect that and leave him out of the equation. The fact is Mickey Harte has never had his best players available since 2005 nor has he been allowed any real consistency in team selection, very hard circumstances for any coach.
good luck in the qualifiers lads. hope we can meet again at croker when the rest of the world will be able to see what we witnessed in Omagh and Newry. Fpootball at its heart wrenching nail biting best. Also witha Down victory of course.
An Dun abu
Derry, Donegal, Down or Armagh and Tyrone in the qualifiers already ? Throw in Kildare etc etc - it should make for some competition.
Monaghan, Meath - it's a flipping minefield. Should make good viewing though.
Surely that Stevie O'Neill man must be well rested by now. I see he scored 7 points for Clann Na Gael at the weekend. It would totally change the mood in Tyrone if he was back fit for the qualifiers. I dont think Louth at home was the worst draw we could have got in the first round.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 24, 2008, 07:40:07 PM
I dont think Louth at home was the worst draw we could have got in the first round.
Did I miss something?
Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2008, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 24, 2008, 07:40:07 PM
I dont think Louth at home was the worst draw we could have got in the first round.
Did I miss something?
When was the draw made?. Any other matches?.
Quote from: Onlooker on June 24, 2008, 09:06:12 PM
When was the draw made?. Any other matches?.
Tyrone Dreamer has just had a dream, methinks ;)
Any of the conspiracy (draw is fixed) theorists want to stake their reputations and post a few fixture predictions?
I'm not one of the one's who shouts about the draw being fixed but I do hope the gaa take away the doubt with a proper drum that actually spins the different balls around. In previous years it has looked stupid with someone spinning big balls round in a circle with their hands once and none actually changing position. I dont understand why they leave themselves open to accusations by doing it like that. The draw is at 6 on Sunday evening on TV3.
I'd like Nuala Carey (in the nip so she can't slip anything up her sleeve) to do it with the lotto machine after I've won the €17 million all overseen by KPMG.
Ahhhhhhhh.................
;D Dream on Frank ;)
Is it worth a Congress motion?
Don't really want to meet Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal or Monaghan. Roscommon would be a nice change.
I suppose we owe Laois and Meath one.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 24, 2008, 07:40:07 PM
Surely that Stevie O'Neill man must be well rested by now. I see he scored 7 points for Clann Na Gael at the weekend. It would totally change the mood in Tyrone if he was back fit for the qualifiers. I dont think Louth at home was the worst draw we could have got in the first round.
Is he playing for the full 70 minutes yet? I'd heard he was still super-subbing.
Bring them on, could have been a lot worse! (Well done Tyrone Dreamer) ;)
Apparently Louth will relinquish home advantage here (despite being first drawn) in not having a ground that meets the Health and Safety standards.
Where will this game be played then? Was it Navan last time?
Omagh, Louth forfeit on that account this time.
Then not a bad draw if tyrone end up with home advantage! Anyone know the score in the minor game today?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 24, 2008, 07:40:07 PM
Surely that Stevie O'Neill man must be well rested by now. I see he scored 7 points for Clann Na Gael at the weekend. It would totally change the mood in Tyrone if he was back fit for the qualifiers. I dont think Louth at home was the worst draw we could have got in the first round.
We could have been discusing this game from a few days ago if you's had listened to me! Is that definate that if Louths ground isnt up to scratch that the game will be in Omagh and not a neutral venue of Louths choice? I think Louths ground holds 7 or 8 thousand which if this game is on a Saturday I think would be big enough. Id say Louth will be pushing for the game to be played at home.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 29, 2008, 06:39:42 PM
Then not a bad draw if tyrone end up with home advantage! Anyone know the score in the minor game today?
1-11 to 1-09 Tír Eoghain win!
Hopefully this gets transferred to Omagh for handiness sake. Last time Louth supporters were up there they were obnoxious enough (I'm sure this was a minority though - canlt see what they would have against TYrone particularly).
Was Coney given a straight red today?????? Will be a big loss if so. Him and McKenna will be the Tyrone MF for years to come.
Looks like two yellows, from the BBC:
Reigning champions Tyrone won despite finishing the game with 13 men, Gavin Teague being sent-off for two yellow cards and also Kyle Coney late on.
I was thinking how the hell could there be 8 pages so far! lol
Not a bad draw for Tyrone, I was beginning to fear we were going to be drawn against Derry the longer it went on.
Tyrone will be very confident of beating Louth - Tyrone will hopefully have a fully fit panel and if they get a bit of luck, they could go a bit of the way to extend the summer past 1st round of the qualifiers.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 29, 2008, 07:42:17 PM
I was thinking how the hell could there be 8 pages so far! lol
I was thinking the same myself Ziggy when I saw it on the front page! So you lot have been talking about yourselves for 8 pages already, are us boys aloud to join in the discussion now of how great Tyrone are ;)
As for the venue, yes the Louth county grounds are a sham and I would not expect us to be aloud to play in Drogheda, even though I suspect it would hold the crowd. (I can't imagine too many of the fairweather supports from either county attending, given both teams disappointing exits in the provincials) But as for the comments about bring the game to Omagh :P The game will be in Navan as it was two years ago.
I'm glad to see we are being written off completely by the Tyrone faithfull, we mustn't have taken the game to extra time two years ago...no wait! We mustn't have taken the game to a replay two years ago... no wait! We mustn't have went up to Omagh two years ago and went down to a narrow defeat... no wait! And that was when Tyrone were reigning champions. Having said all this you will beat us easy :D
As a diehard follower of the county I personally have no interest in a run in the qualifiers, we have had that before and we are not going to win the AI. We are not making progress in a poor a Leinster and that is where we need to be winning. I hope we have a good day out in Navan and game that comes close to being as entertaining as the one two years ago. Louth have no reason to fear Tyrone, we will go along and give our lads our full support, but I will not be alone in the Louth support to say I won't be disappointed to see us lose!
If Louth can't get their house in order, then throw them out. Why aren't they in the Tommy Murphy anyway.
Perhaps Louth should nominate Pairc Esler, nearer the county than Navan and Tyrone have had some problems there!
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 29, 2008, 10:21:10 PM
The game will be in Navan as it was two years ago.
You could well be right there
Louth Exile - I was under the perhaps misapprehsion that an ultimatum had been issued by HQ (since the game in Navan) that where if a county didn't have a ground that would satisfy Health & Safety, then the right to the home venue was automatically forfeit. Could be wrong though.
Quotethat where if a county didn't have a ground that would satisfy Health & Safety, then the right to the home venue was automatically forfeit.
This wouldn't be quite fair, say Louth draw Roscommon, the game could be played in any decent ground as there would not be a big crowd, but if they draw Meath there would be a much larger crowd.
I'm almost sure FoSB is correct.
Maybe a Clones double-header with Monaghan-Derry will be considered?
Louth's ground was always the only one that could possibly fail on this health/safety issue, every other county in the draw has an above-scratch county ground.
Not a bad draw for us but we have to be wary.I read in the Gaelic Life last week that Mugsy should be ready. Anyone know if this is true. Hopefully we can get him Enda, Brian and Mulgrew all back again and give it a real go because there is not an awful lot for us to fear if we are playing close to our potential.
How about this team if all fit
1. Packy / Devine
2. Ricey
3. Justin / Joe
4. Mc Gee
5. Davy
6. Conor
7. Jordan
8. Enda
9. Sean
10. Dooher
11. Brian
12. Mulgrew
13. Mugsy
14. Colm Cav
15. Tommy
If Mugsy is allowed to bring his trowel he'll strike fear thru the hearts of these Louth boyos!
Seriously, not a bad draw tho, didn't want it too easy lest we get lethargic on the back of a big win. We should win this one with a few to spare then rip through Meath, Derry, Armagh & Dublin en route to another thrashing of Kerry in the final to lift Sam number 3.
Tir Eoghain Abú
A double header on 19th in Clones would be some draw for spectators !
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2008, 09:57:42 AM
If Mugsy is allowed to bring his trowel he'll strike fear thru the hearts of these Louth boyos!
Seriously, not a bad draw tho, didn't want it too easy lest we get lethargic on the back of a big win. We should win this one with a few to spare then rip through Meath, Derry, Armagh & Dublin en route to another thrashing of Kerry in the final to lift Sam number 3.
Tir Eoghain Abú
Dont know about the trowel, but he could certainly bring his Floor Scraper ;) jasus he would certainly strike fear in any man with that piece of equipment
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 30, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Where did you see this confirmed?
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 30, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 30, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Where did you see this confirmed?
Hoganstand
Looks like an overnight stay somewhere en-route to Clones.
Hoganstand have it as Saturday 12th July - this can't be right can it?
Louth's eagerly-awaited SFC qualifier against Tyrone will be played in Drogheda on Saturday July 12 at 7.00pm.http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97436
Anybody any news on the Dread I word (Injuries) with club football?
How's Brian and Tommy?
How's Big Sean?
How's Enda?
I'd say if its in Louth that it could be a tough enough game but they were fierce in our faces in 2006
I did read the time / venue info on Hoganstand first but it's on BBC site as well
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2008, 03:48:26 PM
Anybody any news on the Dread I word (Injuries) with club football?
How's Brian and Tommy?
How's Big Sean?
How's Enda?
I'd say if its in Louth that it could be a tough enough game but they were fierce in our faces in 2006
Don't ask now - ask NEXT Monday after the championship matches have been played.
Quote from: take_yer_points on June 30, 2008, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 30, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 30, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Where did you see this confirmed?
Hoganstand
Looks like an overnight stay somewhere en-route to Clones.
Hoganstand have it as Saturday 12th July - this can't be right can it?
Louth's eagerly-awaited SFC qualifier against Tyrone will be played in Drogheda on Saturday July 12 at 7.00pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97436
The date ain't right.
The battle of the boyne site is less than 3miles from the pitch, so that would be an interesting date to have it :D
No, the BBC have it at Drogheda at 7.00pm on Saturday 19th July.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
No, the BBC have it at Drogheda at 7.00pm on Saturday 19th July.
I don't think that either county will have huge support for this game, so I think that Drogheda will be will able to handle the crowd.
I don't remember us ever hosting Tyrone before ??? Hands up all those Tyrone men who have been to the Gaelic grounds in Drogheda before!
I warn you now, don't be expecting much in terms of facilities! At least it is very handy to get to from the M1 motorway
An Lu Abu
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 30, 2008, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on June 30, 2008, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 30, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 30, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Where did you see this confirmed?
Hoganstand
Looks like an overnight stay somewhere en-route to Clones.
Hoganstand have it as Saturday 12th July - this can't be right can it?
Louth's eagerly-awaited SFC qualifier against Tyrone will be played in Drogheda on Saturday July 12 at 7.00pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97436
The date ain't right.
The battle of the boyne site is less than 3miles from the pitch, so that would be an interesting date to have it :D
Sure the way things are going politically, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we had the game played on the 12th July instead, with Paisley throwing in the ball, and Martin Mc Guinness and Robinson refereeing a half a piece and 3 bus loads from Drumcree Church introduced to the crowd at half time with Nicky Brennan giving out commerative T shirts. ;) ;) :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 30, 2008, 04:28:44 PM
I warn you now, don't be expecting much in terms of facilities! At least it is very handy to get to from the M1 motorway
What's the disabled facilities like Louth Exile?
Just houl it in Ziggy!
I know Louth were hammered by the Jackeens but what kind of game was it? Was it a late collapse or outplayed throughout? I know they had a mediocre NFL - 3 wins and 4 batins I thin. How did the Down v Louth or Fermanagh/Louth game go?
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2008, 04:48:51 PM
Just houl it in Ziggy!
Do you think I'd need one of these?
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Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2008, 04:48:51 PM
I know Louth were hammered by the Jackeens but what kind of game was it? Was it a late collapse or outplayed throughout? I know they had a mediocre NFL - 3 wins and 4 batins I thin. How did the Down v Louth or Fermanagh/Louth game go?
Good questions there:
NFL: LOUTH 2-10 DOWN 1-14
After leaking two goals, Down came good to steal a one-point win over Louth at Drogheda this afternoon. Late points from Ronan Murtagh, John Clarke and substitute Paul McComiskey helped the visitors claim this hard-earned win.
Substitute Jamie Carr netted to steer Louth into a 1-04 to 0-03 lead, but Down battled back thanks to Kevin McKernan's penalty kick. Louth once again gained control on the restart until Down's late trio of points saw them secure back-to-back winsFermanagh 0-11 Louth 0-10
Its 22 years since Kerry last beat Tyrone, 13 years since the mighty dubs last beat Tyrone and its 51 years since Louth last beat Tyrone in the championship. To put this game into context psychologically Kerry couldnt take Tyrone in a game of marbles, and certainly the dirty dubs just want to fight us in the league anmd bend the knee gracefully in the championship, so how can we expect a Louth team to compensate for 51 years of pain against the redhand men on the 13th. Therefore its a a dream draw for Harte and Tyrone fans. Louth gave Tyrone great trouble twice a couple of years ago but have since went back. For Louth to give Tyrone trouble a third time particularly when they look so stagnant and uncompetitive would cement in many doubters minds that this era holds no more serious success prospects for Tyrone - I think there may be something left in Tyrone this year so hear we go with the prediction: Tyrone should be winning this game by 5 points which is a good win in any championship game, If they can win by 10 it will only help us alleviate the still hurting memory of the 1957 all Ireland semi final, so come on Tyrone beat them by 10 - we left it behind that day. As much as Louth is nice to the people that live in it, it is probably more fondly thought of as a pass through zone to Tyrone fans on our way to Dublin, literally and metaphorically speaking. I dont totally expect that to have changed by 8 45 Pm on July 13th.
Definitely July 13th?
Im with you lads - this shouldnt have changed by July 13th but Im also now going to go one further and predict that it will be the same story on the 19th as well. Hows that for ballsy prediction. By the way this Saturdays lotto numbers will be 1, 7, 11, 25, 35, 18 and the bonus 12. If we all go and spend a £1 on this this saturday night then subject to the big win we can all share the big one. Think what you could do with it. Imagine eh.....
Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 30, 2008, 04:28:44 PM
I warn you now, don't be expecting much in terms of facilities! At least it is very handy to get to from the M1 motorway
What's the disabled facilities like Louth Exile?
I will rephrase that, don't expect any facilities! The stand is the far side from the main entrance, if there is admission from behind the stand (which is not always the case!) that would be your best angle of attack.
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2008, 04:48:51 PM
I know Louth were hammered by the Jackeens but what kind of game was it? Was it a late collapse or outplayed throughout? I know they had a mediocre NFL - 3 wins and 4 batins I thin. How did the Down v Louth or Fermanagh/Louth game go?
We were in the game against the Dubs until the 44th minute when we gifted them a goal and we gave up after that!
Louth played Down in Drogheda in the NFL and deserved to come away with at least a point, but unfortunately not. A good game where both teams performed well. Louth were poor against Fermanagh and still only lost by a point in Eniskillen
PS: Question for rrhf.... Between 57 and 06 how many times have An Lu and the Red Hands clashed in the championship ;) :D
I have a soft spot for the Gaelic Grounds - scene of some of the most towering performances of my illustr ... excell ... mediocr ... miserable career. And the Ó Raghaillighs bar was the scene of one of my most embarrasing social faux pas.
Tell us more Hardy
Good chance this will be the TV game? Everyone likes full grounds on the telly as it adds to the atmosphere. All the crowd will be in red & white.
I doubt it. Monaghan v Derry is at 3 O'Clock alright, but I would think that if they show a 7pm game, Limerick v Meath has to be the favourite, would be a tight game and Limerick is set up for the cameras. The last time we probably had cameras in Drogheda was when Stefan White snuffed out a fancied Micko lead Kildare in 91.
Judging by the comments of a lot of Tyrone "supporters" in recent weeks I cant see us bringing a huge support. Does Drogheda hold as much as 7,000? Id say 7,000 should be big enough but any less could be a problem. I'm a fan of the smaller grounds when there isnt a big crowd,should lead to a good atmosphere.
Quote from: hardstation on June 30, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
Yes, Hardyarse The Fiddler, I want to know what happened.
You're reported hardstation. Expected more of you.
Line-outs that day:
Tyrone:
P McConnell;
R McMenamin, C McGinley, M McGee;
D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan (0-01);
C Holmes, P Donnelly;
S Cavanagh, G Cavlan (0-01 (1f)), R Mellon;
M Penrose, S O'Neill (0-04 (1f)), O Mulligan (2-06 (3f)).
Substitutes: E McGinley (0-02) for Donnelly, R Mulgrew (0-02) for Cavlan, D Carlin for Harte, B Meenan for Holmes, A Ball for O'Neill, B Donnelly for Mellon, C Gourley for McGee.
Louth:
S Reynolds;
D Brennan, C Goss, J Carr (0-01);
J O'Brien, P McGinnity, J Neary;
M Farrelly (0-01), P Keenan (0-01);
C Grimes, M Brennan (0-01), M Stanfield (1-02);
JP Rooney (1-00), R Carroll, D Clarke (0-07 (4f)).
Substitutes: R Finnegan (0-01) for Carroll, B White (0-02) for Grimes, Grimes for Rooney, T O'Brien for Clarke, M Fanning for O'Brien.
Referee: Frank Flynn (Leitrim).
Only 6 of our starting 15 from 06 will line out in a couple of weeks :o
As for the capacity, the limits that are set for health and safety are ridiculously small.
I think that there was about 13k at the game in 91 against Kildare
More of stupid mistake, really. I took on a local in an argument slightly related to republican sensitivities that was always likely to lead to fisticuffs. I knew his paramilitary credentials, but not his pugilistic ones - he was a pretty good amateur middleweight. So when I told him to go forth and multiply, he decked me. (I'm sure there are lads here I've argued politics with who would have paid to see that).
Anyway I didn't feel too embarrassed about it as I hadn't seen the punch coming, so I got up to return the compliment. I made a swing at him and he decked me again, popping me on the exact same spot on the jaw. When I got up again to have another go, my mates, making a more sensible appraisal of the situation than me, took me the hell away and we went home.
The next day evening I called in to have a game of squash. When I went to the bar to pay, I was told I was barred. For being attacked, floored twice and never landing a punch. My "opponent" was still welcome, however. But I was from Meath.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2008, 10:06:46 AM
More of stupid mistake, really. I took on a local in an argument slightly related to republican sensitivities that was always likely to lead to fisticuffs. I knew his paramilitary credentials, but not his pugilistic ones - he was a pretty good amateur middleweight. So when I told him to go forth and multiply, he decked me. (I'm sure there are lads here I've argued politics with who would have paid to see that).
Anyway I didn't feel too embarrassed about it as I hadn't seen the punch coming, so I got up to return the compliment. I made a swing at him and he decked me again, popping me on the exact same spot on the jaw. When I got up again to have another go, my mates, making a more sensible appraisal of the situation than me, took me the hell away and we went home.
The next day evening I called in to have a game of squash. When I went to the bar to pay, I was told I was barred. For being attacked, floored twice and never landing a punch. My "opponent" was still welcome, however. But I was from Meath.
Serves you right !
Hardy are you a true ayrian Meath man - dosent sound like it.
I am indeed a true hairy Meath man.
There's a thread about man grooming on the non-gaa section to help you with that Hardy
Grooming! I'm not a feckin horse, Zig.
You were lost for traditional political tactics fiddler. dundalk, a hotbed for "political discussion" south armagh style is a fine forum to learn the tricks of political nuances and manoeuvring. when you got back up the first time you should have administered a swift boot to the knackers before reverting to your well rehershed flow of combinations after he had dropped to his knees.
Ethos and ideology can only be built on a firm foundation of shrewd violence.
Tyrone's All-Ireland football qualifier against Louth in Drogheda on July 19.
Former county under 21 captain Mulgrew, whose last appearance was against Mayo in the final round of the National League, has recovered from a shoulder injury while his Cookstown clubmate Mulligan has finally shaken off the hamstring injury he sustained against Laois in the National League.
The 2003 and 2005 All-Ireland winner has been training with his club for the past week and expects to feature against the Wee County.
Louth look set to be once again without their influential full back Colin Goss, who remains sidelined with a groin injury.
Fair play to you for your honesty Hardy, good tale :D
The capacity for the ground has been restricted to 5k by all reports. This is ridiculously samll, where do they get this stuff?
I know it is not up to scratch as a county ground but the place would comfortably and safely hold 7, 8 or even 9k
A quick bit of maths and I work out that the club could get as few as 50 to 60 tickets.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 01, 2008, 04:40:02 PM
Fair play to you for your honesty Hardy, good tale :D
The capacity for the ground has been restricted to 5k by all reports. This is ridiculously samll, where do they get this stuff?
I know it is not up to scratch as a county ground but the place would comfortably and safely hold 7, 8 or even 9k
A quick bit of maths and I work out that the club could get as few as 50 to 60 tickets.
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You could be sending a good few back then ?
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2008, 09:53:58 PM
Line-outs that day:
Tyrone:
P McConnell;
R McMenamin, C McGinley, M McGee;
D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan (0-01);
C Holmes, P Donnelly;
S Cavanagh, G Cavlan (0-01 (1f)), R Mellon;
M Penrose, S O'Neill (0-04 (1f)), O Mulligan (2-06 (3f)).
Substitutes: E McGinley (0-02) for Donnelly, R Mulgrew (0-02) for Cavlan, D Carlin for Harte, B Meenan for Holmes, A Ball for O'Neill, B Donnelly for Mellon, C Gourley for McGee.
So, for those that are no longer with the team in '08 (or starting, i.e., Donnelly), or who didn't start in '06, we have a pick from :
C Cavanagh
B Mc Guigan
T Mc Guigan
Joe Mc Mahon
Justin Mc Mahon
Colm Mc Cullagh
D Mc Caul
PJ Quinn
J Devine (if not injured)/J Curran
K Hughes, amongst others...
Feeling better already ;)
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 01, 2008, 04:40:02 PM
Fair play to you for your honesty Hardy, good tale :D
The capacity for the ground has been restricted to 5k by all reports. This is ridiculously samll, where do they get this stuff?
I know it is not up to scratch as a county ground but the place would comfortably and safely hold 7, 8 or even 9k
A quick bit of maths and I work out that the club could get as few as 50 to 60 tickets.
I had no problem with the game being played in Drogheda but 5k is too small. Even 8,000 wouldnt be to bad but 5k could mean genuine supporters missing out. Im assuming the fact that it got the go ahead there that it must hold a bit more than 5,000.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 01, 2008, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 01, 2008, 04:40:02 PM
Fair play to you for your honesty Hardy, good tale :D
The capacity for the ground has been restricted to 5k by all reports. This is ridiculously samll, where do they get this stuff?
I know it is not up to scratch as a county ground but the place would comfortably and safely hold 7, 8 or even 9k
A quick bit of maths and I work out that the club could get as few as 50 to 60 tickets.
I had no problem with the game being played in Drogheda but 5k is too small. Even 8,000 wouldnt be to bad but 5k could mean genuine supporters missing out. Im assuming the fact that it got the go ahead there that it must hold a bit more than 5,000.
Well I would have said that it held nearly twice that easy, that was until a member of the Mickey Harte clan got at it!!
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Quote from: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 30, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
I see this game has been confirmed for 7pm, 19th July. An all-ticket game in Drogheda
Where did you see this confirmed?
Hoganstand
Looks like an overnight stay somewhere en-route to Clones.
Hoganstand have it as Saturday 12th July - this can't be right can it?
Louth's eagerly-awaited SFC qualifier against Tyrone will be played in Drogheda on Saturday July 12 at 7.00pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97436
The date ain't right.
The battle of the boyne site is less than 3miles from the pitch, so that would be an interesting date to have it :D
Sure the way things are going politically, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we had the game played on the 12th July instead, with Paisley throwing in the ball, and Martin Mc Guinness and Robinson refereeing a half a piece and 3 bus loads from Drumcree Church introduced to the crowd at half time with Nicky Brennan giving out commerative T shirts. ;) ;) :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
With "Seige (sic) of Drogheda 2008" medals to be dished out to the winners
Reports that Owen Mulligan has made a full recovery from a hamstring injury appear wide of the mark with Harte admitting that the best he can hope for is a place on the subs bench against the Wee County.
"Owen is coming on much better, his progress has been good and while he has to catch up with his fitness at least he is in less pain.
"It will take hard work but I would not rule him out of making the squad. He should be an option on the bench."
Quote from: orangeman on July 02, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
Reports that Owen Mulligan has made a full recovery from a hamstring injury appear wide of the mark with Harte admitting that the best he can hope for is a place on the subs bench against the Wee County.
"Owen is coming on much better, his progress has been good and while he has to catch up with his fitness at least he is in less pain.
"It will take hard work but I would not rule him out of making the squad. He should be an option on the bench."
Perhaps Harte is thinking he should just rest a little longer and underestimating the wee County.
Has the Gaelic Grounds in Drogheda a covered stand or is it all standing? Is there steps or just grass banks? What the pavillion like?
Got a text today, from a normally reliable source, saying the capacity is only 4500 and Tyrone would be getting less than 2000 tickets. Surely this can't be right ???
Even better source Tyrone will get 1800 tickets.
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on July 02, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
Even better source Tyrone will get 1800 tickets.
That was the exact figure mentioned in the text. Many thanks for the confirmation.
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on July 02, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
Even better source Tyrone will get 1800 tickets.
If thats true its a disgrace that the game is going ahead in Drogheda. Even for a game like this Tyrone would bring at least 3 or 4000 especially with it not being on tv. You cant leave thousands outside for a championship match when there are viable altenatives not too far away. The fans going to a game like this wouldnt be sunshine supporters either.
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on July 02, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
Even better source Tyrone will get 1800 tickets.
That's extracting the urine, big time. >:(
I can't disagre that 1,800 is a paltry figure for Tyrone suporters.
I can't deny that Drogheda is not up to scratch.
Having said this, Drogheda is the right place to have it, the 4,500 who are there will have loads of space!
Newry would be good venue alright - it would suit both sides.
Quote from: orangeman on July 02, 2008, 10:57:44 PM
Newry would be good venue alright - it would suit both sides.
Drogheda suits better, thanks
So, with Mulgrew and Mulligan back training with the county squad:
Ricey - Justin - Quinn
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
Cavanagh - Holmes
Dooher - McGuigan - Mulgrew
McCullagh - Colm Cav - Mulligan
I know we'd like to see a major shake up as things have gone stale a wee bit but I can see Micky sticking to his tried and tested.
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2008, 11:28:51 PM
So, with Mulgrew and Mulligan back training with the county squad:
Ricey - Justin - Quinn
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
Cavanagh - Holmes
Dooher - McGuigan - Mulgrew
McCullagh - Colm Cav - Mulligan
I know we'd like to see a major shake up as things have gone stale a wee bit but I can see Micky sticking to his tried and tested.
Enda Mc Ginley for Holmes ?
Tommy MC Guigan in for ??
Tommy and Colm Cavanagh will probably be head-to-head for a place, even with free-taking as a weapon it's hard to separate them. Enda....starting to feel a wee bit uneasy about him playing these days. If 100% then definitely alongside Sean.
Quote from: ONeill on July 03, 2008, 12:22:53 AM
Tommy and Colm Cavanagh will probably be head-to-head for a place, even with free-taking as a weapon it's hard to separate them. Enda....starting to feel a wee bit uneasy about him playing these days. If 100% then definitely alongside Sean.
We'll see tonight how he is.
QuoteEnda....starting to feel a wee bit uneasy about him playing these days
We need him badly. Different team when he plays.
some Tyrone quotes from the "halfway point" thread...
QuoteTyrone would be wary of meeting Mayo. We'd relish a chance at Kerry and I feel, could pick themselves up for it and make a game of it.
QuoteIf Tyrone somehow go it together in terms of injury and fitness and met the Kingdom in the semis they'd relish it. I think Kerry would have sleepless nights. As Ziggy points out, thon Westerners make me tremble. Feckin Mayo. 1989, 2004 - two of the most disappointing days apart from the wedding
QuoteDavid can take on Goliath benny!
You Louth bies may as well not bother turning up as the Tyrone lads are clearly thinking beyond ye. Sure, the AI champions are having sleepless nights about them so what hope have ye.
Some encouragement for the Louth boys , Down were blessed to get out of Drogheda with a 1 pt win and sure we beat Tyrone handy enough . Fill your boots .
H'onda Wee . (2 kids were born in the Lourdes , although the wife tells me they are Dubs )
Is Darren Clarke still on the go?
How do the Louth posters rate their side compared to the '06 vintage?
ML, you could write a novel on Tyrone and where they stand. To sum it up - so many All-Ireland winners, a few good county footballers but ultimately a struggle to find the same levels of intensity and hunger that characterised the side from 02-05. Add to that the missing x-factor that teams couldn't handle in Canavan and O'Neill. Others in Dooher, Mulligan, McGuigan and McMenamin have regressed for different reasons. I think we are hoping for the chain to click into place again with a spark of genius from one of the aforementioned but it's getting to the stage that it's a forlorn hope. Let's be honest, very few teams fear Tyrone they way they did 3 years ago when we could rip teams apart by 10+ points inside the first half.
However, in Mickey we tentatively trust.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 03, 2008, 08:17:45 PM
some Tyrone quotes from the "halfway point" thread...
QuoteTyrone would be wary of meeting Mayo. We'd relish a chance at Kerry and I feel, could pick themselves up for it and make a game of it.
QuoteIf Tyrone somehow go it together in terms of injury and fitness and met the Kingdom in the semis they'd relish it. I think Kerry would have sleepless nights. As Ziggy points out, thon Westerners make me tremble. Feckin Mayo. 1989, 2004 - two of the most disappointing days apart from the wedding
QuoteDavid can take on Goliath benny!
You Louth bies may as well not bother turning up as the Tyrone lads are clearly thinking beyond ye. Sure, the AI champions are having sleepless nights about them so what hope have ye.
Quick ML, get these wee clippings on to the team, they would look well on the dressing room wall.
Quote from: ONeill on July 03, 2008, 09:19:27 PM
How do the Louth posters rate their side compared to the '06 vintage?
Better than the 08 side! But as you say yourself Tyrone are not the same as three years ago either. I still think that both teams on any given day are well capable of producing a big display. I would say that consistency is a big problem for the Louth team if you look at there displays this year.
Were Dublin as bad against Louth as they were against Westmeath on Sunday last? Westmeath had them on a plate, but couldn't collect; Louth folded 3/4's way through. All on the day, as they say.
Quote from: downredblack on July 03, 2008, 08:47:00 PM
Some encouragement for the Louth boys , Down were blessed to get out of Drogheda with a 1 pt win and sure we beat Tyrone handy enough . Fill your boots .
Yep, so handy I could cry. And then you let those big bad Armagh men turn you over like a spit on a roast :'(
We both have a single loss left, good luck ;)
QuoteQuick ML, get these wee clippings on to the team, they would look well on the dressing room wall.
Indeed. Their arrogance is quite breathtaking really, considering what happened in 2006.
Then again, they blamed that close shave on injuries ::) so they still dont rate Louth as a proper challenge. I wonder will this hubris be their undoing.
Mike - the majority of Tyrone fans like Kerry fans etc - are decent, supportive and respectful of all other counties - you will get arseholes everywhere - I'm sure there might even be some in Kerry as well - so we shouldn't really base comments on all fans on a few who might give us a bad name.
Quote from: orangeman on July 04, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
Mike - the majority of Tyrone fans like Kerry fans etc - are decent, supportive and respectful of all other counties - you will get arseholes everywhere - I'm sure there might even be some in Kerry as well - so we shouldn't really base comments on all fans on a few who might give us a bad name.
Decent fans like you give us bad wans a good name ;) So long lads like ye behave, us trouble makers have an easy ride ;D
Louth haven't got a hope in hell f winnin against tyrone! ther defence is shockin and tyrone's forward line can rack up big scores against decent opposition so what will they not do 2 louth? sorry 2 b so critical f louth but lets b honest in sayin ther a terrible team :o
Quote from: jimbob123 on July 04, 2008, 01:40:40 PM
Louth haven't got a hope in hell f winnin against tyrone! ther defence is shockin and tyrone's forward line can rack up big scores against decent opposition so what will they not do 2 louth? sorry 2 b so critical f louth but lets b honest in sayin ther a terrible team :o
There is not much evidence to say Tyrone rack up big scores. I hope there is after the Louth game though ;)
Only joining this thread now due to work overload!
I think this could be a very entertaining game. The main reason being the midfield area. Both teams have relatively small midfields and depend on winning a large amount of breaking ball. We could very well end up playing very well and scoring 3-12/15 or we could go out and lose by 10 points. I know a lot of the lads were extremely sick over the Dubs defeat as they had out a lot of preparation into that game. If they get th heads up and really take the game to Tyrone, i feel they have a chance.
The ticket scenario is a bit of a joke. In fairness to the Tyrone support, there will be more that 1800 willing to travel. Even in Louth it will be nigh on impossible to get a ticket if you're not involved in a club. We're only getting around 60 tickets when we sold over 300 for the Dublin game. I know it is a great advantage to have the game at home but would the county board be doing a bit of a PR spin on this? I mean, highlighting just how awful Drogheda is in order to speed up funding?
Hola Pedro,
Don't buy your lot scoring 3-12/15, but I'll give you my vote regardless! ;)
Enda McGinley's 70mins last night hopefully means we'll have a full hand, barring injury this weekend.
I hear Sean and Philly have niggles. Any word on this?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 04, 2008, 08:04:31 PM
Hola Pedro,
Don't buy your lot scoring 3-12/15, but I'll give you my vote regardless! ;)
Jaysus, don't quote me on us scoring that highly! I really just meant that we are a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde team, you never know which one is going to turn up. Should be a good encounter either way, some very good individual players on both teams. Both teams, collectively, however, are far from their best at the minute
Quote from: pedro on July 04, 2008, 09:01:40 PM
Jaysus, don't quote me on us scoring that highly!
Too late: I've texted and e-mailed the whole Tír Eoghain panel! :D
Know what you mean. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 04, 2008, 09:12:40 PM
Too late: I've texted and e-mailed the whole Tír Eoghain panel! :D
Well the Louth management are currently mulling over the eloquent post from jimbob123 and are rallying their troops as appropriate.... Watch this space
Quote from: pedro on July 04, 2008, 09:15:31 PM
Well the Louth management are currently mulling over the eloquent post from jimbob123 and are rallying their troops as appropriate.... Watch this space
But he's from Meath!? ???
;)
Burn him at the stake :D
Tyrone have apparently been allocated 1000 tickets ????
Nothing short of a disgrace and shame on Louth, HQ and whoever else was responsible for bringing this to a substandard facility !
But why do Louth CB sit back and wait ?
They should be on the TV and in the papers this week highlighting this !
What exactly is the division of responsibility between county boards and Croke Park in the provision of county grounds? Is it a misinterpretation to read this as Louth co. board sitting on its hands and waiting for a handout? Does it not at least have the responsibility to be the prime mover - identify the requirement, present a proposal, cost the thing, raise at least some funds?
The simple fact of the matter is that Louth do not have a ground of sufficient standard and should not be allowed to host a home championship match. The rest of the country should not be punished for Louth county board`s failure to get their act together and sort this whole mess out. This is Louths problem first and foremost. We have had the misfortune to visit Drogheda in the last two league campaigns. There are no facilities worth talking about, I doubt there are any disabled facilities and "the stand" is an accident waiting to happen. What would happen if things got a bit hot and heavy during a game and tensions were to boil over. There would be a free for all on the pitch.
Louth saw fit to invest heavily in Darver, in fact there is a further €700,000 being spent on it at the minute. Why couldnt they raise funds to sort out their county pitch while they are at it, or better still why couldnt they have built their training complex and their county standard pitch at a green field site somewhere close to the M1.
If I was a Tyrone man I would feel verry aggrieved at not being able to watch my team play in a qualifier because of the joke that is the Louth county board. 1800 tickets for a county like Tyrone is nothing short of a joke.
Louth should only been allowed to play the game at home if they agreed to give Tyrone at least 3000 tickets, its Louth who are restricting the capacity by the playing the game in a venue not fit for it. Louth fans point to that first game in 06 for Tyrone not having a big support but even that day at 3.30 on a Saturday there was 3 or 4000 Tyrone fans there. For the replay there was around 10000 Tyrone supporters. 1800 is not enough tickets for a county like Tyrone. For the ulster championship some clubs sold up to 300 tickets. Fair enough only half those at best would want to go to this game but how do the clubs decide who gets the 30 or 40 tickets on offer. Its not like an all Ireland final were the fans in question involve a lot of glory supporters.
TD spot on
Should make for good craic though about some of the clubs in Tyrone when theyre deciding who gets the 30 or 40 tickets on offer.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 04, 2008, 09:30:25 AM
QuoteQuick ML, get these wee clippings on to the team, they would look well on the dressing room wall.
Indeed. Their arrogance is quite breathtaking really, considering what happened in 2006.
Then again, they blamed that close shave on injuries ::) so they still dont rate Louth as a proper challenge. I wonder will this hubris be their undoing.
The obsession continues!
Which was worse 03 or 05, you've never answered?
QuoteThe obsession continues!
Which was worse 03 or 05, you've never answered?
your the lads talking about "relishing" a meeting with Kerry before you have gotten past Louth so I think the obsession is entirely yours.
I just think it smacks of the nouveau arrogance of Tyrone that you are discounting a county that has more AI than you and that won the AI almost a full half-century before you did. I think this complacency has been Tyrones undoing the last two years, much more so than these injuries you are always bleating on about.
QuoteI think this complacency has been Tyrones undoing the last two years, much more so than these injuries you are always bleating on about.
Can hardly compare to the bleating from Spillane an the rest of ye when we gave yis the hiding of yer lives in 03 and 05! ;D :D ;D :D
No further injuries picked up at the weekend? Whats the injury situation like now? We could have close to a full panel for next week if things stay as they are now.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 05:36:28 PM
No further injuries picked up at the weekend? Whats the injury situation like now? We could have close to a full panel for next week if things stay as they are now.
Mulligan and Mulgrew both played for Cookstown but apparently weren't on top form - Mulligan never scored.
After 4 months out I suppose a poor performance wouldnt be a shock.
Exactly TD, and that game will have done them nothing but the power of good. Looks like we've been lucky with injuries, of lack thereof.
If we had a fully fit squad what team would anyone pick? Id go with the following:
McConnell
McGee
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
McGinley
Dooher/Mellon/Tommy McGuigan/Mulgrew (based on form)
Brian McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Mugsy (doubt he'll be fit to play 70 minutes)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
Exactly TD, and that game will have done them nothing but the power of good. Looks like we've been lucky with injuries, of lack thereof.
Always the optomists are you two lads ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on July 07, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
Exactly TD, and that game will have done them nothing but the power of good. Looks like we've been lucky with injuries, of lack thereof.
Always the optomists are you two lads ! ;)
Something you'll never be accused off! Seriously, what do you expect from a player who has been out injured for 4 months and has only a week or 2 training behind him in his first game back? Reports suggest Brain McGuigan had a good game yesterday, would love to see him playing well against Louth.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 07, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
Exactly TD, and that game will have done them nothing but the power of good. Looks like we've been lucky with injuries, of lack thereof.
Always the optomists are you two lads ! ;)
Something you'll never be accused off! Seriously, what do you expect from a player who has been out injured for 4 months and has only a week or 2 training behind him in his first game back? Reports suggest Brain McGuigan had a good game yesterday, would love to see him playing well against Louth.
I just think I'm more of a realist - there's nothing wrong with dreaming but how do expect Mulligan to start IC football in 12 days time if he struggled during a club game ?
Brian played very well yesterday and would love to see him return to the form of old.
Quote from: orangeman on July 07, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
I just think I'm more of a realist...
Realistically, how pessimistic were you in 2005 after the fall to Wexford?
Quote from: orangeman on July 07, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 07, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
Exactly TD, and that game will have done them nothing but the power of good. Looks like we've been lucky with injuries, of lack thereof.
Always the optomists are you two lads ! ;)
Something you'll never be accused off! Seriously, what do you expect from a player who has been out injured for 4 months and has only a week or 2 training behind him in his first game back? Reports suggest Brain McGuigan had a good game yesterday, would love to see him playing well against Louth.
I just think I'm more of a realist - there's nothing wrong with dreaming but how do expect Mulligan to start IC football in 12 days time if he struggled during a club game ?
Brian played very well yesterday and would love to see him return to the form of old.
As I said above I dont expect Mulligan to fit for 70 minutes next week. My point was that it wasnt realistic to expect him to play well in his 1st game back for Cookstown.
Am a bit curious as to how Tommy is not automatically featuring on proposed Tyrone teams for this game. Over the league he was easily as good as any of the other forwards and was very good when introduced against Down in Newry. For me he would be an automatic starter.
Brian was very good against Aghayarn especially considering it was his first game since sustaining a rib injury against Down in Omagh, hopefully it will put a bit of a spring back in his step again.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
If we had a fully fit squad what team would anyone pick? Id go with the following:
McConnell
McGee
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
McGinley
Dooher/Mellon/Tommy McGuigan/Mulgrew (based on form)
Brian McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Mugsy (doubt he'll be fit to play 70 minutes)
Why do you think McGee will get a start? I agree with you and think he should start but I also think he should've started a game this year already - is there something Harte doesn't like about him? I know he had the shoulder trouble last year but that's all cleared up by now I think.
I'd also have Sean at midfield - considering the amount of options you list at half forward I'd prefer to give one of them a go and have Cavanagh winning ball in midfield. Apart from that I think you're spot on - do we have a left footed free kicker there though? (do we even have a right footed one who's a cert to start?)
Can we now say that going into the game against Louth that everybody is fully fit and available for selection or are we going to have to endure another round of injury scares ??? It's ironic that last day out, Brian Mc Guigan didn't play because he was genuinely injured but the rest who were supposed to be inured DID in fact play - Justin, Colm, Dan Gordon etc etc
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 08, 2008, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
If we had a fully fit squad what team would anyone pick? Id go with the following:
McConnell
McGee
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
McGinley
Dooher/Mellon/Tommy McGuigan/Mulgrew (based on form)
Brian McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Mugsy (doubt he'll be fit to play 70 minutes)
Why do you think McGee will get a start? I agree with you and think he should start but I also think he should've started a game this year already - is there something Harte doesn't like about him? I know he had the shoulder trouble last year but that's all cleared up by now I think.
I'd also have Sean at midfield - considering the amount of options you list at half forward I'd prefer to give one of them a go and have Cavanagh winning ball in midfield. Apart from that I think you're spot on - do we have a left footed free kicker there though? (do we even have a right footed one who's a cert to start?)
Enda and Sean could easily switch positions. Thought McGinley has been having his best year in a long time for Tyrone in midfield so would be reluctant to move him and Cavanagh did well v Monaghan at half forward last year. To be honest I havent always been McGee's biggest fan mainly because he can sometimes be easily caught when over committing for the ball but I do think he is probably a better option than Ricey in the full back line on current form. Ricey still has lot to offer though and could drive the team forward from half back were imo Harte has been poor apart from 1 league game this year.
If Tommy McGuigan kept up his form from the last game then he'd be a cert to start but he hasnt always been consistent. How'd he play for Ardboe on Sunday? If Mugsy is out and Id guess he is Tommy may be the best option for the free's.
He's been our best defender of the decade but if Harte is going to drop any of the established players Gormley might be the one who should go based on current form. For whatever reason he has been very poor all season and if it wasnt for the fact that everyone knows how good he is it would have happended earlier. Harte has kept trying Peter Donnelly and it has failed but personally I think his best chance would be centre half back but at this stage could be to late trying it. Justy McMahon was man of the match for Omagh there on Friday night so maybe he's the best alternative. I'd say though there is little chance of Gormley being dropped and if we're going to do anything we need him playing well so lets hope he can start playing like himself soon.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 08, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 08, 2008, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 07, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
If we had a fully fit squad what team would anyone pick? Id go with the following:
McConnell
McGee
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
McGinley
Dooher/Mellon/Tommy McGuigan/Mulgrew (based on form)
Brian McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Mugsy (doubt he'll be fit to play 70 minutes)
Why do you think McGee will get a start? I agree with you and think he should start but I also think he should've started a game this year already - is there something Harte doesn't like about him? I know he had the shoulder trouble last year but that's all cleared up by now I think.
I'd also have Sean at midfield - considering the amount of options you list at half forward I'd prefer to give one of them a go and have Cavanagh winning ball in midfield. Apart from that I think you're spot on - do we have a left footed free kicker there though? (do we even have a right footed one who's a cert to start?)
Enda and Sean could easily switch positions. Thought McGinley has been having his best year in a long time for Tyrone in midfield so would be reluctant to move him and Cavanagh did well v Monaghan at half forward last year. To be honest I havent always been McGee's biggest fan mainly because he can sometimes be easily caught when over committing for the ball but I do think he is probably a better option than Ricey in the full back line on current form. Ricey still has lot to offer though and could drive the team forward from half back were imo Harte has been poor apart from 1 league game this year.
If Tommy McGuigan kept up his form from the last game then he'd be a cert to start but he hasnt always been consistent. How'd he play for Ardboe on Sunday? If Mugsy is out and Id guess he is Tommy may be the best option for the free's.
I would definitely think there could be a case made for playing Ricey in the HB line, but playing McGee instead of him? I don't think so, that kind of replacement would be an argument for keeping Ricey in the FB line!
Who would you play instead of McGee then if Ricey were to play in the HB line? I think when Tyrone play with 2 attacking players in corner back (Ricey and McCaul both like to get forward for example) they often leave themselves very open at the back. I'd prefer to have someone like McGee who'll only be interested in man marking his man and won't venture too far forward. That way we'll always have plenty of cover back in the FB line. Maybe there's someone better than McGee to do that though.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 09, 2008, 09:00:26 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 08, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Enda and Sean could easily switch positions. Thought McGinley has been having his best year in a long time for Tyrone in midfield so would be reluctant to move him and Cavanagh did well v Monaghan at half forward last year. To be honest I havent always been McGee's biggest fan mainly because he can sometimes be easily caught when over committing for the ball but I do think he is probably a better option than Ricey in the full back line on current form. Ricey still has lot to offer though and could drive the team forward from half back were imo Harte has been poor apart from 1 league game this year.
If Tommy McGuigan kept up his form from the last game then he'd be a cert to start but he hasnt always been consistent. How'd he play for Ardboe on Sunday? If Mugsy is out and Id guess he is Tommy may be the best option for the free's.
I would definitely think there could be a case made for playing Ricey in the HB line, but playing McGee instead of him? I don't think so, that kind of replacement would be an argument for keeping Ricey in the FB line!
Judging on Friday night past, Ricey's selection certainly wouldn't be on current form - he was given more than his fill of it from 2 county Under 21s. As for McGee, I don't think he ever did much wrong after Paddy Bradley cleaned him in Clones in 2003 and yet there's still this hostility towards him in some circles since. As for the forward line, it's difficult to predict how any of the 6 will play on any given Sunday. Through the league and against Down, the consistency of any of our forwards hasn't inspired confidence, and this continual chopping and changing would put doubts in anyones head - not least the players.
So people in Tyrone are now calling for Conor Gormley to be dropped and Peter Donnelly put in at centre half back!! Good christ people, wake up and smell what is actually happening.
A few points that need to be made
1. Gormley is sick to the teeth of being sent after who ever is causing the most bother bacause of inadequate performances from others (granted he has not been doing as good a job in recent games)
2. He firmly believes, and so do I, that if he had off being kept at centre half back last year against Meath, they would have won as he was moping up a lot of ball before being switched to Mark Stephen Brae.
3. Davy Hartes lack of defensive qualities is annoying the rest of the Tyrone defenders and everyone is afraid to say anything as the only person Mickey listens to is Dooher.
4. How would any defender be able to have any understanding of what is going on in his defensive line up if no one ever knows who is going to be employed in it?
These are some of the obvious things. Many more faults do exist at the minute.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on July 09, 2008, 10:45:54 AM
So people in Tyrone are now calling for Conor Gormley to be dropped and Peter Donnelly put in at centre half back!! Good christ people, wake up and smell what is actually happening.
A few points that need to be made
1. Gormley is sick to the teeth of being sent after who ever is causing the most bother bacause of inadequate performances from others (granted he has not been doing as good a job in recent games)
2. He firmly believes, and so do I, that if he had off being kept at centre half back last year against Meath, they would have won as he was moping up a lot of ball before being switched to Mark Stephen Brae.
3. Davy Hartes lack of defensive qualities is annoying the rest of the Tyrone defenders and everyone is afraid to say anything as the only person Mickey listens to is Dooher.
4. How would any defender be able to have any understanding of what is going on in his defensive line up if no one ever knows who is going to be employed in it?
These are some of the obvious things. Many more faults do exist at the minute.
As I said in my post Conor Gormley is the best defender Tyrone have had this decade. However for whatever reason he has been very poor this season. I was simply pointing out that this is the one position that Donnelly has never been tried at and in my opinion the one that would suit him best. I would still doubt very much that he is good enough to play there at county level and certainly if Conor Gormley was playing anywhere near his potential Donnelly wouldnt be in the same class but the problem is Gormley hasnt been playing. If you read what I wrote Justy McMahon was actually my alternative. However, for the sake of Tyrone its essential that we get Gormley back on form and Id agree centre half back is his position. Although even there he hasnt been anywhere near his usual self.
I wouldnt agree with your point about the Meath match last year. Bray and the rest of the full forward line were cleaning Tyrone out and it was only when Gormley went back that we got it sorted out. We lost the Meath game last year due to missed chances up front in the second half imo.
Id rather have an unfit out of form Conor Gormley at CHB than anybody else on the panel! Lets get this in perspective anyway, didnt he play most of the first Down match with a foot injury and he was messed about position wise for the replay. I wouldnt have any doubts about his form. Man is a class act, any question of dropping him is madness.
Would agree with orangeman about Tommy McGuigan. Tyrone's best forward this year and if fit he has to start. Also mystified about why people are suggesting Joe for FB when Justy has been doing pretty well there, certainly better IMO than anybody else we've tried there in the last 2 years.
If fit here's my team for Louth;
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.Justy McMahon
4.McCaul
5.Carlin
6.Gormley
7.Jordan
8.McGinley
9.S.Cavanagh
10.Dooher
11.B.McGuigan
12.T.McGuigan
13.Penrose
14.McCullagh
15.Mulligan
That leaves Joe McMahon, Mulgrew, C.Cavanagh, Melon, D.Harte, McGhee, Quinn etc as very strong backup players to come in. A strong looking team IMO.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 09, 2008, 06:34:42 PM
I wouldnt agree with your point about the Meath match last year. Bray and the rest of the full forward line were cleaning Tyrone out and it was only when Gormley went back that we got it sorted out. We lost the Meath game last year due to missed chances up front in the second half imo.
Agreed, but for Gormley completely shutting Bray out in the second half, we would have conceded a good few more, and would not have had made the chances at the other end to squander.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 09, 2008, 09:59:59 PM
If fit here's my team for Louth;
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.Justy McMahon
4.McCaul
5.Carlin
6.Gormley
7.Jordan
8.McGinley
9.S.Cavanagh
10.Dooher
11.B.McGuigan
12.T.McGuigan
13.Penrose
14.McCullagh
15.Mulligan
That leaves Joe McMahon, Mulgrew, C.Cavanagh, Melon, D.Harte, McGhee, Quinn etc as very strong backup players to come in. A strong looking team IMO.
Not a whole lot wrong with that, though Mc Gee might be better in the corner, depends on whom Louth have in at top of the right.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 09, 2008, 09:59:59 PM
Id rather have an unfit out of form Conor Gormley at CHB than anybody else on the panel! Lets get this in perspective anyway, didnt he play most of the first Down match with a foot injury and he was messed about position wise for the replay. I wouldnt have any doubts about his form. Man is a class act, any question of dropping him is madness.
Would agree with orangeman about Tommy McGuigan. Tyrone's best forward this year and if fit he has to start. Also mystified about why people are suggesting Joe for FB when Justy has been doing pretty well there, certainly better IMO than anybody else we've tried there in the last 2 years.
If fit here's my team for Louth;
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.Justy McMahon
4.McCaul
5.Carlin
6.Gormley
7.Jordan
8.McGinley
9.S.Cavanagh
10.Dooher
11.B.McGuigan
12.T.McGuigan
13.Penrose
14.McCullagh
15.Mulligan
That leaves Joe McMahon, Mulgrew, C.Cavanagh, Melon, D.Harte, McGhee, Quinn etc as very strong backup players to come in. A strong looking team IMO.
To be honest if I was picking the team Gormley would be one of the first on the teamsheet, he is a class act. I am a bit worried about his form this season and that includes the league not just the Down game. For some reason he hasnt looked right and Tyrone need that to change very soon. The reason I would consider taking Justy out of full back is because I think he could potentially go a long way to solving our problems around midfield. Joe does not look to have the same energy as Justy to play at midfield but did a very job at full back in the latter part of 05. My big worry with your team would be the full forward line. Playing McCullagh at full forward would mean the quality of ball going in would have to be very high and the chances of winning 50 50 balls kicked in long would be slim.
I'd be happy enough to see Penrose and Mc Cullagh start there, though it could mean deep forages for the ball, but with a view to bringing on Colm Cavanagh sharpish if things weren't working out.
No doubt something will go wrong in the next week but reading the Irish news today it sounds like we have no serious injures in the squad. If thats the case it would be the 1st time for a championship match since the 05 final. There's 6 or 7 players carrying knocks but you'd have to expect that at any given time. If this holds up (and Id be very nervous that it wont) then we can have no excuses and cant look to injuries as we have done in recent years for defeats. Even for the Down game we were missing Mulligan,McGinley,McGuigan and Mulgrew.
This is a huge game for Mickey Harte, a defeat here and he may have no other choice than to quit. This is probably the most I have seen a Tyrone team written off since 2001 when a small Tyrone support turned up to a watch a very young Tyrone team defeat the back to back ulster champions Armagh. There has to be one last kick in this team. They cant sit back and let Mickey be forced out of his job without one last fight. They cant let Doohers unbelievable work to get back be unrewarded and for him to potentially end his career on such a low. This is still a talented team depsite what is being said - 13 players who started the 05 final are available and 2 further players from the 03 team. Yes Canavan and O'Neill were huge players but they certainly didnt win those All Irelands on their own. We need someone to stand up and take on the scoring repsonsibilty and for the younger players to start laying down markers like Tommy McGuigan did in Newry.
Look how we struggled against Louth in '06, as All-Ireland reigning Champs no less, that's why! Make no mistake, we'll be taking this one very seriously, especially since we're confined to a shoebox of a stadium in enemy territory ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 11, 2008, 10:17:34 PM
They cant let Doohers unbelievable work to get back be unrewarded and for him to potentially end his career on such a low.
as great a player as he has been and as hard as he has worked to recover from injury, the limited evidence this year points to the fact that there isn't enough left in the legs at county level.
Yes he was poor against Down and I would be worried about whether he can get back to his best or even close to it. The only thing is he produced one of the best performances of his career from nowhere against Donegal last year. He's given some commitment to the Tyrone cause this last decade.
Coming from Belfast, do I take the North Drogheda exit?
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
Coming from Belfast, do I take the North Drogheda exit?
If you take the Monasterboice exit, which is the one before Drogheda North, its a straight run down Tullyesker to the pitch.
What's the name of the actual road that the ground is on lads? Is it one of the following: Cockle Road, N Road, Kearney's Lane, Drakerath Lane, Old N1?
Does anyone know if this game is being televised next saturday evening? Not going to be able to make it!
Pretty sure its not. TV3 are showing the Derry game at 3. Think rte are showing a hurling qualifier at 7.
(http://www.geocities.com/hardyarse/drogheda1.jpg)
AS Down Gael said, the most direct route is to take the Monasterboice exit and down the old N1, which becomes North Road.
[Edit] I meant to say - the entrance is on the North Road, just where it runs off the bottom of the map. Or you could try climbing the rusty tin fence on the Cross Lanes, if you're willing to risk tetanus.
Worried about thon big black holes on the left.
Disused quarries, excavated for cement materials, now full of water and incredibly deep. They're used to scare kids.
Scarey enough looking. He's staring at the pitch too with a toothless grin. Terrible omen.
Thanks Hardy, crystal now.
So what's the latest then with team selection and injuries after the weekend?
Did any of ye read the article about Mugsy in the Irish Indo on Sunday.
Seemed to portray him a lot more mature now and he is well up for a long summer this year
Here's the team I'd like to see line out
Devine (As Packie always seems to make rash decisons and kicks outs are not accurate enough)
PJ Quinn (Looks sharp and fast)
Justy (hasn't done much wrong there so far though would be better in MF I think so maybe Joe here)
Swift (as we need to be using this matches to get better cover for the older heads)
Ricey as plays better from half back and more aggressive than Nephew
Conor (Summer begins now Conor)
Jordan (as above)
Enda (Hopefully he can get a run of games now as our hardest working MF)
Sean(I've resigned myself to believing he's wasted at FF as plays better facing the way he's shooting)
Dooher(Got a lot of stick for one bad game in Newry as gave away loads of ball but he's relish the challenge of proving the doubter wrong again)
Brian McGuigan (Hopefully he's recovered OK and doesnt' get any special treatment) Needs to ease his way back and not be too adventurous
Mulgrew - Think with pressure of Playmaker taken off his shoulders we'll finally get to see his true skills as long as not bullied off it too much
McCullagh - Hot & Cold but certainly skillful enuf to score 5+ points from frees and play - Could be top scorer this year
Tommy - Looked hungry in Newry and think he will be our new star this year if he gets descent ball in. Needs to pass more though but confident lad
Penrose edges it for me at 15 cos he has the beating of most defenders for pace and he has that arrogance forwards need. Might miss the odd chance but at least he create more
Leaving Mugsy, Mellon, Colm Cav,Stevie O'Neill & Niall Gormley as lively forwards to come in if anyone is not up for it and that includes Dooher Mickey!!!!
I think this Tyrone team are hurting a little with the way they've been written off and maybe the extra month off has given them a new hunger that was missing in June.
Tyrone by 5 if not more
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2008, 12:58:06 PM
create more
Leaving Mugsy, Mellon, Colm Cav,Stevie O'Neill & Niall Gormley as lively forwards to come in if anyone is not up for it and that includes Dooher Mickey!!!!
I think this Tyrone team are hurting a little with the way they've been written off and maybe the extra month off has given them a new hunger that was missing in June.
Tyrone by 5 if not more
Have you heard something the rest of us haven't?
Swift is not available either. Pity.
Devine's out too.
This is a 50/50 game. Tyrone have lacked that spark for 24 months now and I think we're all hoping something will kickstart it. I do think we have the more accomplished players but Louth will probably have more bite about them. A betting man would stay away from this game.
Oops maybe I meant Shaun/Snowy
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2008, 01:42:33 PM
Oops maybe I meant Shaun/Snowy
Ah don't ruin it now ye had us all excited there :( :(
Personally as I said earlier I dont think we can play both Penrose and McCullagh in the full forward line. They're both small and without decent ball coming in would stuggle to win 50 50 balls. I think it has to be a straight choice between the 2. Mickey has a big call to make about Cavanagh. He did very well at full forward against Down when the ball came in but for long periods he was wasted. Mickey may feel that with McGinley back and a fitter McGuigan and Dooher that we can win enough ball to leave him there but its hard to know. If Mulligan was fully fit Id say he'd definately bring Cavanagh out but Id guess Mulligan isnt fit to start just yet. Wouldnt be suprised if Cavanagh plays half forward
I'd personally like to see Ricey go to half back. Harte has struggled when put on the back foot numerous times and we have been exposed down that side of the pitch - he also has a habit of choosing the wrong option when in possession and struggles for power/pace to get by players. Harte does provide good fitness levels and always offers himself for the ball but I just feel we have better defenders than him. Ricey has struggled in the full back line and I think the extra freedom would help him.
There is no reports of any serious injuries as per the papers. The likes of Devine and Colm Cavanagh are struglgling though. At the minute and there's still 6 days things look decent on this front. Its been 3 years since we entered a championship match without a list of injuries.
As usual this season it would be extremely difficult to guess the starting team but Ill guess this:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy
PJ Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Joe McMahon
Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Colm Cavanagh
McCullagh
Sean Cavanagh
Tommy McGuigan
I think that'll be close to the side though wouldn't be surpised to see Mugsy at FF, Sean back in the middle and Joe dropped. Also, Dooher mightn't start if still struggling with injury, with Mellon possibly getting the nod.
If Mulligan is fit to start then I think you'd be right. However, after 4 months out this game might come too soon for him. I thnk Dooher will start and will be out to prove those who have written him off wrong.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2008, 01:22:22 PM
This is a 50/50 game.
You cannot be serious. If Tyrone dont win this game easily I will be very surprised.
well, i know Tyrone will be stronger than they were in the ulster championship but there was nothing between Down and Louth in the league. that should point to a very close match.
This time next week Tyrone's most succesful manager ever could be out of a job. Whats the ticket situation like, is there enough tickets to meet the demand? I cant see too many of our sunshine supporters making the trip so hopefully not too many genuine fans will miss out.
Quote from: Down Gael on July 14, 2008, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2008, 01:22:22 PM
This is a 50/50 game.
You cannot be serious. If Tyrone dont win this game easily I will be very surprised.
It all depends on which Tyrone team turns up. The only Championship game they've won easily since the 2005 All Ireland was the Donegal game last year, which, ironically, is the only time they've been underdogs since the 05 Final. However, the bulk of the Tyrone Championship performances since Kerry have fallen into one of two categories
a) racing into a big lead early on, only to totally throw it away or just about fall over the line (see both Louth games 06, Monaghan 07, 1st Down game)
or
b) a terrible first half performance leaving them with a mountain to climb in the second half (see Derry 06, Laois 06, Meath 07)
Is it a case of complacency, lack of hunger or are they just not able to cut the mustard any more? The next few games will give an indication of which it is. Hopefully, the Down loss will have hurt enough pride to get a sufficient reaction.
So basically your saying we're not playing for the full 70 minutes, Id agree with that. I'm sure Harte has been drilling this point into the players this past 4 or 5 weeks and probably from much earlier. It will be interesting to see the teams attitude on Saturday night. I said after the Down game that were we go will depend a lot on the attitude of the players. I would be worried about our ability to win the next 4 weekends in a row,its going to be extremely tough.
come on the wee county..........
Sean Cavanagh is usually the winning of these games against teams lower down the 'rankings'. If he plays to form, like his 15 min midfield cameo against Down when Mickey decided to move him out, the team will.
Whats the ticket situation like for Drogheda?
I think we've lost that HUGE workrate that we used to have.
There used to be an attitude of never say Die and everybody including the FF line works their socks off
That seems to have gone for a lot of the Shoe in players I have noticed for one reason or another. Maybe niggling injuries.
The last 2 games I've watched players like Gormley and Big Sean lose ther man and not bother or be able to chase back.
Now maybe it is cos it was only June and the attitude seems to be like 2005 where they don't be TOO FIT too early and so peak too soon but the risk with that dangerous tactic is that we no longer have Stevie or PTG to haul us 7+pts.
I'm hoping Tommy McGuigan, Mugsy and one from the rest can form a more potent FF line if we do get into August
Yeah we've maybe lost the 2 best players in the country but we have brought in the 2 McMahons, (Joey more regular we hope now), Tommy, Colm Cavanagh who are all big men and surely Mulgrew will come good at some stage, maybe now he's no longer at 11. Brian McGugian took a year or 2 to settle into CHF as I can remember asking what is everyone talking about.
Mellon seemed to be a man on a mission in Newry and can't for the love of me understand why Harte took him off and put on feckin Hub who he then took off later.
I for one am getting tired of Harte's loyalty to some players and that includes Denephew. If he was any other player ye'd all be slating him.
This is going to be great championship drama - its as it should be Tyrone V Louth in a small home partisan pitch - atmosphere piped through the PA. Intimidatation and sneers to the Northern tourists from the programme seller to the burger man(and hes from Meath). Expect to come out to have at best your car clamped or at worst semi submerged in the dark water pits at the bottom of the local quarries - its how it should be. A great experience for supporters and its what tchampionship GAA should be about - home venues, roofless toliets.
Forget about the size of the ground its the pitch size that counts and by my last check Tyrone generally beat Louth on regulation sized football pitches.
But theres so much more to this, yes only diehards will get tickets but they will get to see a champianship make or break game from the red hand army. A perfomance capable of withstanding local, intense championship battle the way it used to be. Get in to the ground early walk down to the fence, open out your shoulders, poke your nose through the wire as you did 20 years ago and hold on tight for the hour .... if you want a wee bring a lucozade sport bottle if you are really stuck. Louth need a win , Tyrone need to perform and win. Tis unthinkable that this could be Mickey Hartes last game in charge, but where Tyrone to slip it would surely be. I hope, trust and am prepared to believe once again that these guys can deliver, that they can take us back to a final, that they can begin to perform at the level that we all believe they are capable of. That they are worthy of keeping their young and hungry heirs to the jerseys on the bench and in the stands. It mean everything to be a Tyrone man this weekend, we are going for a minor Ulster championship 2 in a row and we are going for Louths jugular where ever they want us, we will go, knuckle down, stuck in and take them --- return the hospitality, so to speak, and maybe next time they will turn on the hot water for the showers.
Any chance of someone posting directions to the pitch for Sat?
Coming from the M1.
I hope the county board keep records of the number of tickets that clubs order for games like this. It might not matter this year but it would be useful if we're involved in big championship games in the future. In 2005 it seemed like every supporter in Tyrone without a ticket had been to "every game all year". Just goes to show how many lpeople there are in Tyrone that will tell lies.
I dont care about that, if you are a true supporter you always get a ticket, there may be panic but you always get a ticket. Id much rather have the 2000 solid tyrone supporters on Saturday roaring their hearts out sober than the 20 000 drunken out for the day Armagh ones in Clones on Sunday.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2008, 02:34:32 PM
. Id much rather have the 2000 solid tyrone supporters on Saturday roaring their hearts out sober than the 20 000 drunken out for the day Armagh ones in Clones on Sunday.
Yeah they would have fitted in well with the sc**bag tyrone fans you see in croke park.
Corn If id wanted an example id have asked for it.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2008, 12:00:18 PM
That they are worthy of keeping their young and hungry heirs to the jerseys on the bench and in the stands. It mean everything to be a Tyrone man this weekend, we are going for a minor Ulster championship 2 in a row and we are going for Louths jugular where ever they want us, we will go, knuckle down, stuck in and take them --- return the hospitality, so to speak, and maybe next time they will turn on the hot water for the showers.
You'll be hoping the umpires are on your side again this year then. >:( >:(
I still maintain that was over the bar, never understood why there was so much fuss. Great point altogether.
You listed an example of 20,000 drunken armagh fans, I am just saying you could have just listed Tyrone fans as easily because there is as many louts go to Tyrone matches.
Just you guys look after Clones town and we,ll keep Drogheda tidy. We can compare reports and or pictures of any mess or messin' on Monday. I absolutely guarantee you that proportionately Armagh fans make a bigger mess of a town than Tyrone fans.
You must have some evidence there if you can "absolutely guarantee".
I can tell you now that theres talk of a spotlight sting operation on wino Armagh fans and some rumours would suggest that theres no better starting point than the Paragon this Sunday morning. Could make for some interesting viewing.
So what your saying is that you have no evidence and therefore you can not "absolutely guarantee"?
Thanks for that ML - If you zoom in you can see a tin shed - is that the stand ?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
I hope the county board keep records of the number of tickets that clubs order for games like this. It might not matter this year but it would be useful if we're involved in big championship games in the future. In 2005 it seemed like every supporter in Tyrone without a ticket had been to "every game all year". Just goes to show how many lpeople there are in Tyrone that will tell lies.
Jaysus TD, 80% of your posts are obsessing about attendances.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2008, 12:00:18 PM
This is going to be great championship drama - its as it should be Tyrone V Louth in a small home partisan pitch - atmosphere piped through the PA. Intimidatation and sneers to the Northern tourists from the programme seller to the burger man(and hes from Meath). Expect to come out to have at best your car clamped or at worst semi submerged in the dark water pits at the bottom of the local quarries - its how it should be. A great experience for supporters and its what tchampionship GAA should be about - home venues, roofless toliets.
Forget about the size of the ground its the pitch size that counts and by my last check Tyrone generally beat Louth on regulation sized football pitches.
But theres so much more to this, yes only diehards will get tickets but they will get to see a champianship make or break game from the red hand army. A perfomance capable of withstanding local, intense championship battle the way it used to be. Get in to the ground early walk down to the fence, open out your shoulders, poke your nose through the wire as you did 20 years ago and hold on tight for the hour .... if you want a wee bring a lucozade sport bottle if you are really stuck. Louth need a win , Tyrone need to perform and win. Tis unthinkable that this could be Mickey Hartes last game in charge, but where Tyrone to slip it would surely be. I hope, trust and am prepared to believe once again that these guys can deliver, that they can take us back to a final, that they can begin to perform at the level that we all believe they are capable of. That they are worthy of keeping their young and hungry heirs to the jerseys on the bench and in the stands. It mean everything to be a Tyrone man this weekend, we are going for a minor Ulster championship 2 in a row and we are going for Louths jugular where ever they want us, we will go, knuckle down, stuck in and take them --- return the hospitality, so to speak, and maybe next time they will turn on the hot water for the showers.
Just thinking, Monaghan men could really upset us on two fronts this weekend!
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2008, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
I hope the county board keep records of the number of tickets that clubs order for games like this. It might not matter this year but it would be useful if we're involved in big championship games in the future. In 2005 it seemed like every supporter in Tyrone without a ticket had been to "every game all year". Just goes to show how many lpeople there are in Tyrone that will tell lies.
Jaysus TD, 80% of your posts are obsessing about attendances.
Would say that post is more a comment on your average county fan rather than attendances. Just dont understand how people who claim to be fans cant be bothered going to a see their county play in a knockout championship match and will then shout the most if they dont get a ticket later on about how good a supporter they are.
In relation to the game theres no reports of any new injuries. The excuses have gone, its time to deliver. Would be great to see the experienced players like McGuigan discover their old form.
If this was Down playing Louth, I'd be confident the Mourne county would come out with a result so we really should be winning this. However, we have been dumped out by Laois and Meath in recent seasons, in Leinster, so it's a bit nervy. I'd heard recently that only 17 players attended a training session within the last fortnight for one reason or another and with Dromore's refusal one week to release their players for county duty, we're not going at this as one. Yet, one win and the snowball can build.
Harte looking to regroup against Louth
16 July 2008
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has admitted that he is looking forward to how his side regroups this Sunday when they travel to Louth on Saturday.
After the Red Hands' shock exit to Down in the Ulster SFC last month, the Tyrone boss that his charges face a test in Drogheda against a side who have proven themselves in the Qualifiers to date.
Speaking about the match on Saturday, Harte stated: "It will be interesting to see how we regroup and play to the best of our ability again. If we can do that, then who knows what is possible?"
Twice an All-Ireland winning manager, Harte acknowledged that the Wee County will be no more a pushover for his side than they were two years ago.
"Louth are a decent side. They have done well in the Qualifiers, in fact I think last year they played more games than Kerry, who won the All-Ireland.
"So they know the route of the Qualifiers well, and they have beaten some decent teams on their way to doing that."
Hoganstand.
What odds of Peter Donnelly playing midfield? I think its unlikely but you never know with Harte. He came on the last day and may actually have started the 06 game if I remember right. It wouldnt shock me if he was named in the middle with McGinley but personally I hope not.
Harte seems to whip Donnelly on occasions like this although with Cavanagh/Hughes/Holmes/McGinley/McMahon fighting fit, surely he's way down the pecking order.
McEneaney unhappy over reduced capacity
Louth manager Eamonn McEneaney has hit out at the fact that the capacity for Saturday's All-Ireland football qualifier against Tyrone at Drogheda has been set for just 4,500.
It means that the Wee County, who have had to play their 'home' championship matches at Navan and Parnell Park in the recent past, will have less than 2,000 supporters at the eagerly-awaited tie which is a repeat of the 2006 clash that Tyrone won after a replay.
"I strongly feel that the various agencies have gone overboard on the health and safety issue," he said.
"If this match was played 13 or 14 years ago, the capacity would have been set at 13,000 or 14,000. In fact, when Louth played Kildare in the championship in 1991, there were 14,000 people at the game.
"Louth football people are very excited about the fact that we have home advantage on this occasion. But only about 1,900 will be able to get tickets for the game because Tyrone are entitled to a similar allocation and the rest will go to Croke Park."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Louth/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=98283
Getting close to the team-time. Perhaps what MH will pick, but not necessarily what I'd like to see (though not far away):
1. Mc Connell
2. Mc Menamin
3. Justy Mc Mahon
4. Mc Gee
5. D Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Mc Ginley
9. S Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. B Mc Guigan
12. Mellon
13. Penrose
14. T Mc Guigan
15. Mc Cullagh
With Joe Mc Mahon, Mulligan, Mulgrew, C Cavanagh, Carlin, Mc Caul, Quinn etc., on the bench.
Taking a chance with both Penrose and Mc Cullagh inside, but reckon he'll give it a go initially.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 16, 2008, 10:27:53 PM
McEneaney unhappy over reduced capacity
That'll teach him with his shoebox tricks! ;)
Is there actually any terracing at the ground or is it a throwback to the good auld days and 3 grassy slopes along with the stand?
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
Is there actually any terracing at the ground or is it a throwback to the good auld days and 3 grassy slopes along with the stand?
You have it in one ;)
We like to think that it is intimate and nostalgic
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 16, 2008, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
Is there actually any terracing at the ground or is it a throwback to the good auld days and 3 grassy slopes along with the stand?
You have it in one ;)
We like to think that it is intimate and nostalgic
Ah holy shi'ite, I'll have to borrow a pair of wellies from some of the lads that went to oxygen
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2008, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2008, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
I hope the county board keep records of the number of tickets that clubs order for games like this. It might not matter this year but it would be useful if we're involved in big championship games in the future. In 2005 it seemed like every supporter in Tyrone without a ticket had been to "every game all year". Just goes to show how many lpeople there are in Tyrone that will tell lies.
Jaysus TD, 80% of your posts are obsessing about attendances.
Would say that post is more a comment on your average county fan rather than attendances. Just dont understand how people who claim to be fans cant be bothered going to a see their county play in a knockout championship match and will then shout the most if they dont get a ticket later on about how good a supporter they are.
In relation to the game theres no reports of any new injuries. The excuses have gone, its time to deliver. Would be great to see the experienced players like McGuigan discover their old form.
But surely you should be happy theres not as many looking for tickets therefore the super dooper mega supporters get to go? no?
much better to have 5000 at Clones for an Ulster final, than 35000? sure the 30000 sunshiners don't count - tell them to feck off home - see how long the whole thing lasts
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2008, 10:36:41 PM
1. Mc Connell
2. Mc Menamin
3. Justy Mc Mahon
4. Mc Gee
5. D Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Mc Ginley
9. S Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. B Mc Guigan
12. Mellon
13. Penrose
14. T Mc Guigan
15. Mc Cullagh
12 and 14 are the only dodgy decisions. Wouldn't be surprised if he runs with Colm at FF and Raymond at 12.
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2008, 11:36:35 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2008, 10:36:41 PM
1. Mc Connell
2. Mc Menamin
3. Justy Mc Mahon
4. Mc Gee
5. D Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Mc Ginley
9. S Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. B Mc Guigan
12. Mellon
13. Penrose
14. T Mc Guigan
15. Mc Cullagh
12 and 14 are the only dodgy decisions. Wouldn't be surprised if he runs with Colm at FF and Raymond at 12.
O'Neill going by previous posts you dont seem to rate Tommy that highly? In your eyes is he not as good as Penrose for example?
QuoteIs there actually any terracing at the ground or is it a throwback to the good auld days and 3 grassy slopes along with the stand?
Sean Cavanagh apears to approve anyway going by his quotes on Hoganstand!!!!!
Tyrone star Sean Cavanagh has criticised the state of the Gaelic Grounds in Drogheda, remarking that Saturday's trip to the Co. Louth venue is "like going to Accrington Stanley".
The ground's capacity has been set at just 4,500 for this weekend's qualifier which sees Louth play at home in the championship for the first time in a number of years. When the teams last met in the All-Ireland qualifiers in 2006, they drew at Navan before Tyrone won the replay in Omagh.
"We were down there last Thursday and it's like a poor Division 3 club ground in Tyrone," an unimpressed Cavanagh claimed.
"The pitch is very narrow and bumpy. It's not like playing in Croke Park. It is the same for both teams. You just have to get on with it.
"Louth probably think it will play to their advantage but we will have to use it to ours. That is what the qualifiers are all about, going to hard places like that and getting wins."
Speaking just down the road from Drogheda in Gormanston, Co. Meath, the All-Star midfielder also defended under-fire Tyrone boss Mickey Harte and called on the Tyrone players to stand up and be counted this weekend.
"You hear people writing us and Mickey Harte off. There are a lot of fans up in Tyrone calling for his head and that is crazy. Things like that drive you on but they are probably right to write us off. We haven't produced the last few years," he said.
"Training the last few weeks has been as good as it has ever been and, whatever happens, we can't blame Mickey Harte or any of the management."
Round 1 goes to Louth. Sean would be safer being gagged in the week before big games.
Whats the chances of tickets outside the ground. Need ticket!
Cavanagh is actually being kind to the pitch there...
At the green grassy slopes of the Boyne
Sean Cavanagh and his men looked and cried,
"This looks like a setup from 'Deliverance'
On the green grassy slopes of the Boyne".
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2008, 11:20:51 AM
Whats the chances of tickets outside the ground. Need ticket!
Have two of them ;)
If I'm forced to travel from Belfast on my own, I might be selling one outside the ground
How does a man find a woman like ye. Name yer perch, yer time and Ill be there.
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
Tyrone star Sean Cavanagh has criticised the state of the Gaelic Grounds in Drogheda, remarking that Saturday's trip to the Co. Louth venue is "like going to Accrington Stanley".
The ground's capacity has been set at just 4,500 for this weekend's qualifier which sees Louth play at home in the championship for the first time in a number of years. When the teams last met in the All-Ireland qualifiers in 2006, they drew at Navan before Tyrone won the replay in Omagh.
"We were down there last Thursday and it's like a poor Division 3 club ground in Tyrone," an unimpressed Cavanagh claimed.
"The pitch is very narrow and bumpy. It's not like playing in Croke Park. It is the same for both teams. You just have to get on with it.
"Louth probably think it will play to their advantage but we will have to use it to ours. That is what the qualifiers are all about, going to hard places like that and getting wins."
Speaking just down the road from Drogheda in Gormanston, Co. Meath, the All-Star midfielder also defended under-fire Tyrone boss Mickey Harte and called on the Tyrone players to stand up and be counted this weekend.
"You hear people writing us and Mickey Harte off. There are a lot of fans up in Tyrone calling for his head and that is crazy. Things like that drive you on but they are probably right to write us off. We haven't produced the last few years," he said.
"Training the last few weeks has been as good as it has ever been and, whatever happens, we can't blame Mickey Harte or any of the management."
Where is this from? I find it hard to believe he said any of this.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavanagh-rounds-on-harte-critics-as-tyrone-face-doordie-louth-clash-1434344.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavanagh-rounds-on-harte-critics-as-tyrone-face-doordie-louth-clash-1434344.html)
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Quote"The expectation is crazy, yet a county board official said the other night that there is only something like 700 people travelling to Louth just to watch us. That's says something."
So much for the great support Tyrone have. Nothing short of a disgrace.
Sean (or the official) is talking shit.
Has anyone else noticed that about Big Seanie
In all his interviews he seems to be giggling and laughing at everything and often tries to hard to be funny.
After the 1st Down much he was in great form after throwing away a great 1st half lead
I just wonder what is in those Lucozade Sports these days
Tommy Has to start in FF line on Sat
I predict a stormy evening of controversy with Tyrone having to fight for every ball
Again if we get off to a great start then we should be grand but if they get heart we could be in for a rough evening
anyone got directions to the Gaelic Grounds coming in from the North??
Read the thread a few pages back. Map, directions, quarries.
Both Dundalk papers have stressed that even children have to have tickets :P
This is a joke and you would want to be one hard necked steward to stop any kids getting into the ground
Rois, thanks again - just secured a ticket there.
Is there a good GAA pub to go to before the game in the vicinity? A place to fuel our passions. I remember attending Tyrone Louth games in Drogheda in division 3 in the early 90s. In one Tyrone went 7 up and then Louth came back and bate us, the bould Pat Butterley playing for Louth. a youthful Peter Canavan playing for tyrone.
I have a problem with different or alternate opinion being regarded as criticism. Some people I know think Mickey should move aside and they have apparently very valid reasons for doing so. Thats their opinion if Tyrone achieve a level that they are capable of this year then Mickey has proven their opinion wrong, but at this stage their opinions needs proving wrong. I dont think there is any reason for Big Sean to be criticising the field, talking up the manager and criticising the fans on a holiday week before a big game - Blame those who schedule games during a holiday period. If these comments are his own, and to be fair I doubt it, I would be concerned and if hes being managed he should be told to stop talking keek.
It doesnt look from that line that Cavanagh is actually criticising the supporters. Just seems to be pointing out that expectations arent as high as normal. He's also entitled to his opinion on Harte just like the numerous people are who criticised him. Dont think this was the time though to be criticising the pitch with the match so close but judging by what others have said he's simply stating a fact and not coming out with the usual media spin that some players tend to do.
In relation to the match a win and decent performance is really needed at this stage. I assume Harte is picking the team tonight and wouldnt be suprised if there's 1 or 2 shocks. He may throw Mulligan straight back in but that would be a gamble so soon after coming back. If Cavanagh is left at full forward it will be interesting to see who partners McGinley in midfield.
Listen I would go by Peter O Donnells theory that fans, players and management are and need to be very different animals. The players need to be focussed on their game plan and nothing else at the moment.
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4. P J Quinn Baile na Móna
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher Clann na nGael
11. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
12. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
13. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
20. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
22. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
23. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
24. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
25. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
26. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
27. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
28. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
29. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
30. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
31. Paul Quinn Aireagal Chiaráin
32. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
That's as strong a squad we've had in years although some on the bench must be short of fitness as they'd be starting. Mellon in midfield - many in the county aren't fans but I am and looking forward to seeing how this pans out.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2008, 08:42:19 PM
That's as strong a squad we've had in years although some on the bench must be short of fitness as they'd be starting. Mellon in midfield - many in the county aren't fans but I am and looking forward to seeing how this pans out.
Before his virus in 2003, Mellon was absolutely flying at Midfield in the League so he has some form there, even if it is in the past. On current form he couldn't be worse than Hub or Donnelly. Good to see Devine's fitness has improved sufficently to see him take up the No. 1 jersey. From 2-7 what you see is what you get, no complaints. As for the forward line, it's difficult to see both Penrose and McCullagh staying inside - especially considering both are left footers, I'd anticipate a roving role for McCullagh or a switch with Tommy.
Definitely looking forward to it now, time to get some momentum going.
Many would argue against that, but it's a good point. PTG's shadow is still hanging over the side, depsite the Ulster title last year. Anyway, got me tickets tonight. What's the parking like?
And sure the Louthites will have left with 25 mins to go.
Strong team selected by the beard. Looking forward to this one. Hope it's a nice sunny evening and the red hand are still in the hat for sunday night's draw. Mellon played well before being taken off at the marshes. Great having the engine of McGinley back for this encounter. He was head and shoulders our best player in the first half of the year. The half forward line is one I'm particularly looking forward to see perform. Tommy deserves his start for sure. With a strong bench as well, I have to say I'm extremely optimistic. Roll on Saturday.....
To be fair Orangeman, he changed the game against Down, dominated in his last great performance against Cavan in the replay, played a crucial role against Armagh in the semi and scored 1-1 v Kerry in the final.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
To be fair Orangeman, he changed the game against Down, dominated in his last great performance against Cavan in the replay, played a crucial role against Armagh in the semi and scored 1-1 v Kerry in the final.
True but are you trying to say that Tyrone wouldn't have won the AI without him ?
O'Neill start your naked run again but start from Ballygawley this time.
Would the Monastorboice be best place to watch the Derry match?
Might come in at half time for the Junior game
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
To be fair Orangeman, he changed the game against Down, dominated in his last great performance against Cavan in the replay, played a crucial role against Armagh in the semi and scored 1-1 v Kerry in the final.
True but are you trying to say that Tyrone wouldn't have won the AI without him ?
Could never answer that with conviction. We were strongest when he was on the field.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2008, 11:51:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
To be fair Orangeman, he changed the game against Down, dominated in his last great performance against Cavan in the replay, played a crucial role against Armagh in the semi and scored 1-1 v Kerry in the final.
True but are you trying to say that Tyrone wouldn't have won the AI without him ?
Could never answer that with conviction. We were strongest when he was on the field.
Has anybody worked out what % of time or how much time he was actually on the field - that would be an interesting exercise as it would maybe settle an arguent or two - and possibly see how many scores were taken with him on the field - I know Mulligan probably would never have scored "that" goal but for Canavan taking players out of the road.
I know it's off topic but:
He played 20 mins v Down (scored 0-2)
He played the full match v Cavan (0-3)
He played 60 mins in the replay (1-7)
He played 35 mins against Armagh
He played 58 seconds in the replay
Played 25 mins v Monaghan( 0-2)
Played 25 mins v Dublin
Didn't play in replay
Played 35 mins v Armagh (0-2)
Played 53 mins v Kerry (1-1)
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What's the story lads has that team not given ye a lot of food for thought
I for one could see a man on a mission in Newry in Mellon and he looked confident
Was calling for kickouts which he won and took on responsibility to shoot.
I know he's not a huge lad but I'm looking forward to see can he repeat this hunger this Sat
Must say I too was surprised to see Sean in at FF again and I think it shows more of Mickey's stubborness than what is best for Sean or the team.
I was one of the lads calling for him to play there and yes if he gets good ball and isn't double marked he will create loads but I think he does play better without having to come out turn and shoot. He runs better with the ball towards goal but maybe Harte will not have to move him out this time.
I need to arrange to meet lads for ticket collection and the Derry match so I need pub names and locations?
Is there any near the pitch in that Moneymore place?
Its a good team with plenty of decent players. Id worry though about that team if it was playing against Kerry or Armagh for example as Im not sure its big enough. Mellon and McGinley will offer plenty of workrate in the middle and will get ball but I still think they'd struggle in the air if Louth have a big midfield. I guess if any of the half forwards are going to win kickouts directly Tommy McGuigan would be the best chance. Im also assuming he will take the right footed frees. Half forward seems to be his best position at county level - his 2 best games this season were against Mayo and when introduced against Down and in both games he played round the half forward line.
I can understand why he is keeping Cavanagh at full forward. I still think when Mullgan and Colm Cavanagh are fit Sean will return to the middle if we're still in the championship. At the minute we're very light up there without him and he is capable of kicking 3 or 4 points. I know there is divided opinion on this but Im not convinced that Harte is a better half back than McCaul/Carlin/Gourley/McMenamin/Joe McMahon.
Is the game available to watch online?
Mickey has just shuffled the deck there and on paper its not a bad team but I fear that Mickeys perseverence with Tyrones half back line which was the fulcrum of their all ireland successes but now lacks a yard or two will ultimately cost Tyrone dearly. This was the chance to make a serious change or two at injecting new pace in there and maybe not pay the ultimate price. After 4 weeks to come up with a new formula I must admit to being a little disappointed Despite our frustrations in a way ye have to hand it to Mickey by God he sticks by his guns, but hes making a big unbreakable rod for himself and some of that much dreaded criticism by hoping that the problem will only heal itself and not by making what others deem to be essential managerial decisions. They used to say the first sign of madness was repeating an action and expecting a different result.
Have to say I agree with RRHF on the half back line issue. Wholesale changes to the line are not necessarily the answer but even one change would have been good to see in order to shake things up a little. Any one of Harte, Gormley or Jordan could easily have been dropped to the bench or perhaps relocated as none of them are playing with the zest of old.
From midfield up MH has given himself a few options with many of the players inter changeable. For example Sean or Tommy would be more than capable of coming out to the middle if we were in bother. For me Tommy is more effective playing out the field at county level than in the full forward line, he has great pace but he lacks that sharpness and movement that sets apart the real quality inside forward at county level.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2008, 11:47:15 AM
Oh its all gone quiet over here
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We're all at Malachi Cush's wedding.
Would have to agree that those 3 half backs must be in a bit of a comfort zone as they seem they can do no wrong.
Mickey must have had doubts about Nephew as he was so quick to praise him after that GREAT National league game he played.
As Dreamer said even the most fervent admirer of Davy must find it hard to put all of those other lads behind him
McCaul/Carlin/Gourley/McMenamin/Joe McMahon
I for one would have Carlin in there or Ricey in Half back line as he brings energy, encouragement and drive forward to those around him.
Davey brings a slower methodical safe option that doesn't inject confidence when you pass it to him.
We've already gave Conor a touch and like Mickey himself we are the fans and we are entitled to give our comments on each performance and not just ensure that someone is living on past glory. It amazes me how some fans constantly slate some players (yeah like me and Davey) all the time and totally ignore poor performances from other lads cos they were great before.
Players like Mellon and Penrose fall into this category whereas Mickey usually is slow to drop Colm Cavanagh, Mulgrew and even Dooher.
I have a good feeling about Sat now and think we'll win comfortably.
Looks like its gonna be overcast but no rain
anyone think that Gourley is very hard done by not to start on Saturday? I thought he was by far our best player v Down.
on the other hand I thought Jordan was woeful. He kept bringing the ball into contact only to lose it.
i would have had Gourley starting ahead of Jordan and Davie to a lesser extent.
I might be slightly cynical, but the thought has occurred to me on numerous occasions this week that anyone entering this week that ground *may not* get their stub returned to them. Given the song and dance about tickets this week, would anyone be prepared to wager that there'll be substantially more than 4500 in the ground?
I would be willing to wager there will be plenty in the ground who didnt have any ticket at all and slipped the steward a few euro at the gate to get in, particularly if its standing on 3 sides of the ground ;D ;)
If Cavanagh lines out at full forward then Mickey has to make it clear to players like Harte,Jordan,Dooher to kick the ball in early. There's no point Cavanagh standing up there if the ball isnt coming in. I felt at times players out the field took to much out of the ball in Newry. Having said that its important that the ball is played in front of Cavanagh for him to run onto and not kicked in high with no direction.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 18, 2008, 04:15:53 PM
I would be willing to wager there will be plenty in the ground who didnt have any ticket at all and slipped the steward a few euro at the gate to get in, particularly if its standing on 3 sides of the ground ;D ;)
Are you a steward by any chance? ;)
"If Cavanagh lines out at full forward then Mickey has to make it clear to players like Harte,Jordan,Dooher to kick the ball in early. There's no point Cavanagh standing up there if the ball isnt coming in. I felt at times players out the field took to much out of the ball in Newry. Having said that its important that the ball is played in front of Cavanagh for him to run onto and not kicked in high with no direction." TD
Agreed 100%
We could visit Oliver Plunkett's head in the interim. I wonder will Mickey's bonce be joining him by 9pm?
This time tomorrow night the Harte years could be coming to an end. My score prediction is 3-10 to 1-10 but not sure what way round it will be.
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Before his virus in 2003, Mellon was absolutely flying at Midfield in the League so he has some form there, even if it is in the past.
Agree entirely with that. The league game against Galway in '03 in Pomeroy comes to mind, where Mellon was outstanding, with magnificent running, fielding, passing, and scoring. If his fielding is in the groove, he'll excel there. Hard to know with big Seán at FF, only for him in 2006 we'd have lost against Louth in Navan, what with his drives from midfield. Otherwise it's a settled enough affair, and looking forward to the two Mc Guigans' telepathy.
Anyways, bar J Devine and PJ Quinn (who I nearly had in the left corner), I called the components correctly, or as Eric Morcambe might have said "I have all the right notes... but not necessarily in the right order!" ;)
Interesting...
Tír Eoghain abú!
Pointless predictions lad.
I'm going for 0-14 to 1-8 in our favour.
Colm McCullagh 0-4
Sean Cavanagh 0-3
Dooher 0-2
Mellon 0-1
Harte 0-1
Mulligan 0-1
T McGuigan 0-1
Penrose 0-1
i reckon yous will get a goal or two.....
our defense is absolutely creaking!!!
Quote from: mattockranger on July 18, 2008, 08:47:20 PM
our defense is absolutely creaking!!!
Spot the reverse psychology ;)
I do believe that. If McCullagh and Penrose have their shooting boots on they could have a field day as from what I saw against Dublin, the 2 corner backs are slow and there for the taking.
If they get it together, sure, they'll wreak havoc, and that day must surely be nigh.
O'Neill - the tourists don't get to hear this, but that head in St. Peters in West St. is his head when he was an elderly man. His head when he was a young fella is in the window of Sarsfields beside Laurence's Gate.
Lads - how are yis for tickets? I might have 1 terrace going spare as I think my mates missus has pulled out.
Anyone interested? - will know tomorrow morning if that's any good and can pass it on at the ground.
Quote from: Hardy on July 18, 2008, 08:59:34 PM
O'Neill - the tourists don't get to hear this, but that head in St. Peters in West St. is his head when he was an elderly man.
Jeez
Hardy, you've just destroyed this man's memories as a young boy, when we detoured by Drogheda on our way back from Dublin Zoo to see the venerable saint. You're a cruel one I tell ya ;)
And I'm named after the man.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2008, 09:04:02 PM
And I'm named after the man.
John St Oliver Gogarty?
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
Pointless predictions lad.
I'm going for 0-14 to 1-8 in our favour.
Colm McCullagh 0-4
Sean Cavanagh 0-3
Dooher 0-2
Mellon 0-1
Harte 0-1
Mulligan 0-1
T McGuigan 0-1
Penrose 0-1
Who's hitting the frees from the left O'Neiill?
IF Brian is on form McCullagh will to have come out to win the ball a lot less giving him more opportunity to score from play than usual. I like McCullagh coming out to get possession but with Brian there, there should be less need.
What frees?
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
Pointless predictions lad.
I'm going for 0-14 to 1-8 in our favour.
Colm McCullagh 0-4
Sean Cavanagh 0-3
Dooher 0-2
Mellon 0-1
Harte 0-1
Mulligan 0-1
T McGuigan 0-1
Penrose 0-1
I think there's definitely the scoring of goals in the FF line especially*, and possibly in the HF line too. I'll be surprised if Seán Cav doesn't rattle the net, and one or other of Penrose or Mc Cullagh too.
* As previously alluded to, getting decent ball in will be key.
Quote from: rrhf on July 18, 2008, 01:13:37 PM
Mickey has just shuffled the deck there and on paper its not a bad team but I fear that Mickeys perseverence with Tyrones half back line which was the fulcrum of their all ireland successes but now lacks a yard or two will ultimately cost Tyrone dearly. This was the chance to make a serious change or two at injecting new pace in there and maybe not pay the ultimate price. After 4 weeks to come up with a new formula I must admit to being a little disappointed Despite our frustrations in a way ye have to hand it to Mickey by God he sticks by his guns, but hes making a big unbreakable rod for himself and some of that much dreaded criticism by hoping that the problem will only heal itself and not by making what others deem to be essential managerial decisions. They used to say the first sign of madness was repeating an action and expecting a different result.
Some merit in what you say
rrhf, that [HB line] could surely be our achilles, if not in this game then the next. We must, however, defer to deserving success, and hope that when the first signs of creaking seams appear MH has the (now legendary, and rightly so)
nous to do the necessary. And the necessary just might be within an arm's wave on the bench, and therein resides surely our salvation in any one of Carlin, Mc Caul, Joe Mc Mahon, Gourley, etc. Keep the faith.
Lads, I think you're all crazy. Of all the lines we have, the half back is the closest to All-Ireland calibre we have. The full back line, the midfield, the half forward line and the full forward line have countless question marks. Our half back line is the one dependable, despite their supposed underpar performances.
On best form Shane yes, I wouldn't argue, but not on recent displays, even from the great Conor Gormley himself, though Philly is getting there, but Denephew is struggling I fear, but I hope I am sorely disabused of such misgivings tomorrow. Davy on song will cut it with the best, as will the three of them, perhaps tomorrow is the reawakening, I hope so.
Disabused is a word not used enough.
I would not find it not unimpossible not to not disagree with that sentiment.
In all seriousness, and however serious that may or may not be, I hope you're right about the calibre of that particular line tomorrow, and specifically, if in the very unlikely event that it isn't a particularly important detail tomorrow, particularly.
Would it be possible for Tyrone people to disabuse John McDermott?
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2008, 10:21:21 AM
Would it be possible for Tyrone people to disabuse John McDermott?
I disabused myself years ago of the idea that John Mc Dermott was anything other than a *#^%!* of the highest order.
* He's not really ;)
John Mc Dermott was only doing the job he was sent out to do - a lot of people forget Boylan's role in all of this ! ;)
1 ticket still available if anyone interested pm me
You were in the dressingroom that day, orangeman? What were you disguised as?
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2008, 12:37:32 PM
You were in the dressingroom that day, orangeman? What were you disguised as?
An angel ! ;) :D ;D ;D ;D
Anyone on for wrecking Meath whilst we're down there. Just as a wee reminder.
Yer geography is as bad as yer history.
Jaysus, haven't that far to travel to reach Giles County.
We're still cleaning up the mess after the last crowd of hooligans from the North that crossed the Boyne looking for trouble. And that was over 300 years ago.
You neednt worry Hardy, that same crowd of orange hooligans are playing in Clones tomorrow, I dont think they`ll venture south today.
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
We're still cleaning up the mess after the last crowd of hooligans from the North that crossed the Boyne looking for trouble. And that was over 300 years ago.
;) :D ;D ;D
How's the nerves lads ??? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
How's the nerves lads ??? ;D ;D ;D
good luck tyrone - lets keep the ulster flag flying
Quote from: glenullinabu on July 19, 2008, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
How's the nerves lads ??? ;D ;D ;D
good luck tyrone - lets keep the ulster flag flying
Very gracious - fair play to ya !
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: glenullinabu on July 19, 2008, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
How's the nerves lads ??? ;D ;D ;D
good luck tyrone - lets keep the ulster flag flying
Very gracious - fair play to ya !
thank you ;) big fan of the mcguigans
at the end of the day we need an ulster ai champion
Quote from: glenullinabu on July 19, 2008, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: glenullinabu on July 19, 2008, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
How's the nerves lads ??? ;D ;D ;D
good luck tyrone - lets keep the ulster flag flying
Very gracious - fair play to ya !
thank you ;) big fan of the mcguigans
at the end of the day we need an ulster ai champion
Agree with you there - I'd love to see Sam coming North regardless of who wins it.
Is there anywhere to hear the game online?????? :o :o :o :o :o :o
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
go down half way down the page to 'sportsound'
point penrose
point tommy
Sean Cavanagh 3 to 0
oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
goal louth
Goal for Louth....level.
1-0 / 0-4
Where you listening Gerry.....I am nearly a minute behind you?
Radio Ulster here.
4-3 Tyrone (McCullough I think)
secret
1-0 /0-5 dooher
good to see a good selection of tyrone players scoring
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 19, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
Where you listening Gerry.....I am nearly a minute behind you?
Radio Ulster here.
4-3 Tyrone (McCullough I think)
radio ulster mw,
1-0/0-6
Tyr 0-6 Louth 1-0
McCullough
1-0/0-7 mc guigan
thats the way enda
1- 0/1-7 mcginley
All 6 forwards have scored now 0-7 to 1-0
You must be listening to the wireless Gerry. I have the online coverage which explains the minute delay.
1-7 to 1-0
Enda McGinley....
1-0/1-8 jordan
8 different scorers.....
going good so far
1-0/1-9 mc cullough
1-0/1-10 sean cav
Couldn't make it to the down match because of work, listening online can't believe it almost halftime 3-12 to 0-3 for down! What a scoreline, thankgod we're back on track, would be great to play tyrone in Newry again if we can get another exciting match like we had in june!
Not getting cocky but when is the next round?
NExt saturday evening!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 19, 2008, 07:37:34 PM
Not getting cocky but when is the next round?
ask Munster champiuons Kerry---- oh.....
f**k sake, someone tripped over the lead at Louth and we lost them on Q101.2fm >:(
Louth seem to be poor! Mc Cullagh having a field day!
If the next round is next Saturday, what happens to all the County Championship scheduled for next weekend?
half time 1-0 /1-10
Change channel Fear, we know ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 07:45:46 PM
Change channel Fear, we know ;)
people only reading on here didnt!!
Get back to your ninja duties!!!! ;)
Can someone post the radio feed?
here our request coming up now for us
I'm on phone Puck. However Google Q101 West you'll find it.
wait to the flood of new members now
Quote from: bloody mary on July 19, 2008, 07:00:35 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
go down half way down the page to 'sportsound'
here puck
What you send in gerry?
Thankfully nobody knows who I am...
What's latest in match? Down 3-14 Louth 0-6
Louth 1.03 Tyrone 1.11
Ha ha....they didn't seem happy to read out that request!
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2008, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: D4S on July 19, 2008, 08:01:56 PM
What's latest in match? Down 3-14 Louth 0-6
???
I meant what was latest in the tyrone match, and iwas just giving latest i the down match at same time...sorry I didnt write an essay for you ;)
What's this obsession you have with a 5 point win hardstation?
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2008, 08:06:21 PM
Down aren't playing Louth, you eejit.
;DOOps big typing error, meant to type offaly obviously but had seen louth written above and typed it! ;D Cheesy embarrassing grin!
oh
3 yellow cards. Ricey and two Louth players
s cav point
mc cullogh point louth 1-06 /1-16 Tyrone
Paddy Hunter is an excitable wee soul ain't he.
he would give you the skitter! >:(
how many goal chances are tyrone going to miss tonight
Ran out of fingers gerry
Is Paddy Hunter talking about us?
point sean cav
1-06/1-17(on scoreboard, radio reckons its actually 1-18)
Latest score?
Thanks
Louth have a penalty kick.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 08:28:08 PM
Louth have a penalty kick.
i didnt know John Terry played for Louth (pen over the bar)
Louth went for a point
Take your points and the goals will come :D :D :D
Down 5-19 to Offaly 2-10!
Paddy's confused, he doesn't know what the score is anymore.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on July 19, 2008, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 08:28:08 PM
Louth have a penalty kick.
i didnt know John Terry played for Louth (pen over the bar)
You never miss a chance AFR.
Note: Ignore the obvious follow up.
Quote from: D4S on July 19, 2008, 08:30:55 PM
Down 5-19 to Offaly 2-10!
limerick 4-11 Meath 0-3 so far :o :o :o :o :o
FLOCKING HELL
meath just scored 4 goals!!!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 19, 2008, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on July 19, 2008, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 08:28:08 PM
Louth have a penalty kick.
i didnt know John Terry played for Louth (pen over the bar)
You never miss a chance AFR.
Note: Ignore the obvious follow up.
sure if you cant laugh about it.. :P
roll on to the next round, a tougher game would have suited us better though
final score louth 1-10 / 1-18 Tyrone
that will do
so many goals today it will be more like MOTD than the Saturday game
Into next round. A tougher game is needed. Who you fancy getting?
night lads (and lasses) , heres hoping for a cracker in clones tomorrow, and maybe a decent senior game.
Hopefully the minors can win the game properly this year
No doubt we will get Donegal.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 08:37:14 PM
Into next round. A tougher game is needed. Who you fancy getting?
Laois
Can Tyrone draw Down tomorrow ?
Yeah orangeman, open draw.
Who was the dosy fool that caused the lost in transmittion? Q101.2fm seem to do this alot.
Louth 1-9 1-17 Tyrone
Tyrone cruised into the second round of the All-Ireland qualifiers by seeing off Louth at Drogheda on Saturday.
Mickey Harte's men were 1-10 to 1-0 up at half-time with Enda McGinley scoring the goal and all six Red Hands forwards getting among the points.
Darren Clarke got Louth's goal which levelled the game in the 18th minute.
In the second half Tyrone's Colm McCullagh took his tally to five points while former All Star Sean Cavanagh landed four for the winners.
It was a fine display by Tyrone as they hope to mount a serious challenge to get their hands on the Sam Maguire trophy.
They stormed on to three-point lead inside the opening 10 minutes thanks to Martin Penrose, Tommy McGuigan and Cavanagh.
Clarke's goal brought Louth level but points from McCullagh, Brian Dooher and Brian McGuigan got Tyrone back on top.
Louth looked in danger of being overwhelmed but they showed character in the second half.
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Tyrone manager Mickey Harte:
We are pleased to get a good performance behind us, but there is still a lot to work on.
We overplayed the ball a bit in the second half and you might not get away with that on other days.
There is no time for resting on your laurels. There will be another team gunning for you next week.
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Been a long time since you could go to a county championship game and lean over a wall surrounding the pitch! By the way, I'm sure the score was 1-17 to 1-9.
Tyrone sauntered through tonight with a decent display, although nothing to write home about. First things first, Louth were absolutely dire. Their shooting was chronic and to score 1-0 in one half at home is abject. Louth did win the second half 9-7 but the last 10 minutes was just a merry-go-round of substitutions with the game played at challenge pace.
The pluses: Tommy McGuigan again put in a fine performance, linking wonderfully well at times with his brother. Brian McGuigan had patches of brilliance and took a couple of good scores though could also have landed 2 goals. Seemed out of puff at times but a good performance overall. Ryan Mellon made some eye-catching takes at midfield, floated in and out of the game but was generally one of our best players. Brian Dooher put in a trojan first half - for a man who had hardly trained in the last fortnight. A Dooher special in the first half was the highlight of the first half scoring. McGinley drifted in and out but did pick up a fair amount of breaking ball and took his goal well. Ricey was heavily involved. Shipped a massive tackle in the second half, got up and played on. Then was goolied again, this time floored. McMahon coped well in the main but was easily turned twice in succession later on. Quinn was steady and Jordan's influence grew as the match progressed. Penrose and McCullagh had an easy time of it in the corners. Colm was fairly accurate today from frees.
Minuses: Sean Cavanagh was again wasted for long periods whilst at FF. For such a massive talent, we need to involve him more. Scored a couple of class points, showing the other forwards the way. Harte and Gormley I thought struggled to get into the game. Defensively we appear weaker than in recent seasons - maybe due to Gormley's dip in influence. Dooher did some serious work in defence, almost as sweeper. The penalty was never a penalty though. Missed goal chances. Penrose and McCullagh do not seem to hit the onion bag as freely as they should for the chances they have.
All-in-all a good run-out. Can't see how Mulgrew will regain a place given Tommy's form. If Mugsy returns it present a headache for Harte. Will he keep Enda and Ryan in the middle, play Sean alongside Mulligan and drop Penrose? Or does he use Mugsy as the target man, move Sean back out to MF and then have to reshuffle McGinley or Mellon back into the forward division - I wouldn't change the half forwards though. Colm Cavanagh may also find it hard to nail a starting slot from now on.
Where in the hell did they get Hoey as MOTM from?
As for the game, I've nothing much to add - O'Neill more or less was spot on.
Tyrone did just enough to see them through tonight. They werent really tested at all tonight. There was some good and some bad points about their performance. Ryan Mellon was superb in the middle alongside Enda McGinley. Some nice fielding from the pair of them. Back line was solid with the exception of D Harte either gave the ball away or ran into trouble. P jordan, C Gormley(makes it look easy) PJ Quinn were fantastic. They seem to have that hunger back.
Forwards were good and bad if that makes any sense. Wasted a lot of clear cut goal chances. Six in all if i remember right. Dooher was brilliant and seems to be getting his sharpness back, scored a great point in the 1st half. Brian just dosent seem to be fully fit at the moment he gave away a lot of ball but still showed glimpses of his old self at times. Tommy done very well and showed great vision at times. Big Sean once again was wasted at FF and only really came into the game when moved out the field. Tyrone seem to be getting a bit better with each game.
Yeah agree with most of that and thought Mellon did great with his fielding getting some HUGE jumps but his passes were poor quite often.
Thought Penrose was poor and often not out in front. Brian Mac was poor but suppose ye have to be patient.
Ricey ran and shoved yer man in order to break it up but it made it look terrible as he fell.
All in all they played ok against a very poor team but loads to work on but we've hope now
Does anyone know what the penalty was for?
A foot block. Apparently Jordan's hands are his feet.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2008, 11:59:59 PM
Yeah agree with most of that and thought Mellon did great with his fielding getting some HUGE jumps but his passes were poor quite often.
Thought Penrose was poor and often not out in front. Brian Mac was poor but suppose ye have to be patient.
Ricey ran and shoved yer man in order to break it up but it made it look terrible as he fell.
All in all they played ok against a very poor team but loads to work on but we've hope now
Jays I think you're being a bit harsh on Brian McGuigan. He saw a lot of the ball today and although misplaced a few passes, he was involved in most of what was good today for Tyrone, including the goal.
That penalty decision was laughable. As was the sight of the ref on his rear in the first half, got a cheer from the crowd anyway.
I thought Justin McMahon had a bad game and against tougher tests would have been caught wanting a lot more. Why oh why won't Mickey play the other McMahon in that position?
I liked Mellon's style in the middle of the field - think he should be left there for the next time.
If the contest was closer I would like to think that Gormley wouldn't have been on as long as he was.
Brian Dooher was excellent and could be counted on to drive the ball forward. Great point too. And to think there were doubts over his fitness.
Quote from: Rois on July 20, 2008, 12:21:10 AM
Brian Dooher was excellent and could be counted on to drive the ball forward. Great point too. And to think there were doubts over his fitness.
Ah sure Rois, the Dooher's are brilliant.
Glad you agree Ziggy
Quote from: Rois on July 20, 2008, 12:21:10 AM
That penalty decision was laughable. As was the sight of the ref on his rear in the first half, got a cheer from the crowd anyway.
I thought Justin McMahon had a bad game and against tougher tests would have been caught wanting a lot more. Why oh why won't Mickey play the other McMahon in that position?
I liked Mellon's style in the middle of the field - think he should be left there for the next time.
If the contest was closer I would like to think that Gormley wouldn't have been on as long as he was.
Brian Dooher was excellent and could be counted on to drive the ball forward. Great point too. And to think there were doubts over his fitness.
Are you serious. Gormley strolled through that game. In the 1st half he was a joy to watch not as good in the second but the game was over at that stage. I dont think there were doubts about Dooohers fitness, I had doubts about the fitness of the team as a whole but they seemed a lot sharper tonight. Maybe they are peaking at the right time.
I also thought Gormley had a good game particularly in the 1st half were he turned over possesion on numerous occasions. It was a decent performance and will hopefully bring the team on. Harte will have a bit of thinking to do if everyone is fit for next week. I agree about Cavanagh being wasted for periods of the game but would be slow to break up the new midfield partnership after tonight. Justy looked dodgy enough at times but PJ Quinn had a great game. Id go with this if everyone was fit:
Devine
Ricey
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Justy McMahon
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Mellon
Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
McCullagh
Tommy McGuigan (Colm Cavanagh would be close)
Mugsy
Thought Drogheda was ok as a ground, bit old-fashioned but no slumming it. Lots of strong performances by Tyrone, McCullagh was my man-of-the-match as he kept the scoreboard ticking over all through the game. Thought Tyrone played too much low ball into the full-forward line and seemed to forget Sean Cavanagh was there for the odd high ball in. Louth's shooting was poor in the 1st half but was better when they were aiming for the Drogheda United side of the ground. Never seen as many home fans leave a ground early.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 20, 2008, 12:57:01 AM
Thought Drogheda was ok as a ground, bit old-fashioned but no slumming it. Lots of strong performances by Tyrone, McCullagh was my man-of-the-match as he kept the scoreboard ticking over all through the game. Thought Tyrone played too much low ball into the full-forward line and seemed to forget Sean Cavanagh was there for the odd high ball in. Louth's shooting was poor in the 1st half but was better when they were aiming for the Drogheda United side of the ground. Never seen as many home fans leave a ground early.
They have an early start in the morning sure Armagh's playing ;)
Not sure about having Tommy so close in. Much of his excellent work tonight was carried out between midfield and the half forwards. Evasive and inventive, a bit like the brother, he now appears to be a more-rounded option than Mulgrew for 12. I thought Justin tired late on but was adequate with any balls turfed in before that.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2008, 01:05:43 AM
Not sure about having Tommy so close in. Much of his excellent work tonight was carried out between midfield and the half forwards. Evasive and inventive, a bit like the brother, he now appears to be a more-rounded option than Mulgrew for 12. I thought Justin tired late on but was adequate with any balls turfed in before that.
Justin badly missed the ball for the Louth goal. Luckily it served as a wake-up call for Tyrone. I'd still have him (or his bro) in there next Sat.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 20, 2008, 01:13:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2008, 01:05:43 AM
Not sure about having Tommy so close in. Much of his excellent work tonight was carried out between midfield and the half forwards. Evasive and inventive, a bit like the brother, he now appears to be a more-rounded option than Mulgrew for 12. I thought Justin tired late on but was adequate with any balls turfed in before that.
Justin badly missed the ball for the Louth goal. Luckily it served as a wake-up call for Tyrone. I'd still have him (or his bro) in there next Sat.
You re right I think he was caught in two minds. Shold he punch it or catch it and he ended up doing neither.
Would agree about Tommy being better out the field. However, I thought Mellon and McGinley did well at midfield and would like to see them there the next day. If that happens then there has to be a case for playing Cavanagh at half forward were he will be more involved. Dooher and McGuigan can only play in the half forward line so a decision has to be made.
True about the goal but in general play McMahon played sufficiently well to warrant a start again next time.
Was surprised at the subs Mickey brought on - almost all defenders. He probably was giving Dooher and McGuigan as much game time as possible.
Not impressed by Louth's physical antics in the second half, don't know how Clarke stayed on the pitch (well, perhaps I do, but I won't state it publicly, save to say that three monkeys might have been involved).
Good enough day at the office, but work still to do, but on the right track at least.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2008, 11:59:59 PM
Yeah agree with most of that and thought Mellon did great with his fielding getting some HUGE jumps but his passes were poor quite often.
Thought Penrose was poor and often not out in front. Brian Mac was poor but suppose ye have to be patient. Ricey ran and shoved yer man in order to break it up but it made it look terrible as he fell.
All in all they played ok against a very poor team but loads to work on but we've hope now
Somebody on here said he was brilliant ? How many did he to score to be good ? ;)
Yeah He did score three which is good for a half forward but in fairness they were handed to him and one should have been a goal.
I know i'm being hard on him and I definitely glad he stayed on as he needs match time but he's still looks way off the pace and his passing was a bit off I felt and often struggled to get into the game.
If it was Mulgrew ye'd be calling for his head.
No I'd love to See Brian impove with each game and suppose that match we could afford to be patient with him.
I thought McGuigan played well and should get even better with games. 3 points from play, set up the goal and was involved in numerous scores. Still a much better option than Mulgrew. He maybe didnt put in as much work out the pitch as in the past but hopefully that will improve with games/improved fitness.
Brian's performance means he is making very good progress - long may it continue !
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 20, 2008, 12:34:38 AM
I dont think there were doubts about Dooohers fitness
There were
though Brian had a very good game and was one of our best players.
Still think Mulgrew could have a big role to play yet this summer so wouldnt write him off.
I was dissappointed that Mickey didnt give Mulligan some game time - we might need him next week v westmeath
and even 10 minutes might have helped as he has played one game in the last 4 months.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 20, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
though Brian had a very good game and was one of our best players.
Still think Mulgrew could have a big role to play yet this summer so wouldnt write him off.
I was dissappointed that Mickey didnt give Mulligan some game time - we might need him next week v westmeath
and even 10 minutes might have helped as he has played one game in the last 4 months.
It's very hard to give Mulligan game time when he hasn't played any football for club or county in such a long time.
Its hard to know what to make of Saturday night, yes Louth were piss poor but Tyrone played some good stuff at times and won easily. The game will do them good and bring them on that wee bit more.
The defence were comfortable enough with PJ in particular having a very good game, in my opinion he is definintely a starter. Justin McMahon had a few hairy moments but should settle into the role. Davy Harte was poor enough and is struggling to find the form of 3 years ago.
Midfield did well, Tyrone are a much better team with McGinley on board.
Up front I thought Brian McG, Tommy and Mccullagh linked up very well with Dooher getting through a serious amount of work. I dont think Penrose is up to it at this level, he cant win his own ball and needs it almost handed to him on a plate. Contrast McCullagh who although slight in stature is deceptively strong and can win the ball. Sean is lost in full forward.
On a side note I thought Brian's performance was very encouraging and anyone who thinks he was poor needs their head examined, he was at the heart of the majority of good things Tyrone did from an attacking perspective. People who expect to automatically see the Brian of old are deluding themselves, to come from where he has and get back to taking the field at this level has been some achievement. People need to be more patient with him it will take time for the fitness and sharpness to come back.
Pitch was lovely
Louth were terrible.
Tyrone showed glimpses but as JB says maybe theres only glimpses left.
This was not a competitive game at all, so judge it as that.
Changes neede for next day needed. Justin poor, Bring in Joe. Davy Poor Bring in Mc Caul for serious pace.
Midfield - Mellon and Sean
half forward line. Move Brian from 11, its too demanding for him maybe swith Tommy in there
Ff Line move Mc Ginley in as third midfielder, Mc Cullough and Colum Cavanagh / Mulligan.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 21, 2008, 10:41:29 AM
Its hard to know what to make of Saturday night, yes Louth were piss poor but Tyrone played some good stuff at times and won easily. The game will do them good and bring them on that wee bit more.
The defence were comfortable enough with PJ in particular having a very good game, in my opinion he is definintely a starter. Justin McMahon had a few hairy moments but should settle into the role. Davy Harte was poor enough and is struggling to find the form of 3 years ago.
Midfield did well, Tyrone are a much better team with McGinley on board.
Up front I thought Brian McG, Tommy and Mccullagh linked up very well with Dooher getting through a serious amount of work. I dont think Penrose is up to it at this level, he cant win his own ball and needs it almost handed to him on a plate. Contrast McCullagh who although slight in stature is deceptively strong and can win the ball. Sean is lost in full forward.
On a side note I thought Brian's performance was very encouraging and anyone who thinks he was poor needs their head examined, he was at the heart of the majority of good things Tyrone did from an attacking perspective. People who expect to automatically see the Brian of old are deluding themselves, to come from where he has and get back to taking the field at this level has been some achievement. People need to be more patient with him it will take time for the fitness and sharpness to come back.
I thought Brian was poor. We simpley do not have the time to "be more patient". We do not have the time to let Justin settle into the role either. If this is the best we have then so be it but it is to late to sit about and hope they improve. I think Hart was allowing Brian match time. If there was a threat of a decent Louth comeback I think Brian would have been replaced but Hart let him have the game time.
I know I am being over critical of him to be fair but I suppose in the games I have saw him this year his passing hasn't been great and from the start on Sat he looked very slow to move and react.
I think his 3 scores were handed to him on a plate but still he took them well and would rather see him getting back to decent form at this stage of the year but my fear is if we are losing some day will Mickey be TOO loyal to him if he's not performing and maybe move Tommy, Sean or Mulgrew in there.
I think Mulgrew might play better at 13 or 15 and then rove back as a 3rd Midfielder/Half forward
I thought Penrose was very good in Omagh and not bad in Newry but was poor on Sat night and with Mugsy coming back I think he'll be the one to lose out next time.
I'd also like to see Gormley get 30 mins in the corner?
Anyone know why Mellon has suddenly turned the corner?
Did he get a kick up the a$$ or is it his own motivation that has him now jumping like a Globetrotter?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2008, 12:05:27 PM
I know I am being over critical of him to be fair but I suppose in the games I have saw him this year his passing hasn't been great and from the start on Sat he looked very slow to move and react.
I think his 3 scores were handed to him on a plate but still he took them well and would rather see him getting back to decent form at this stage of the year but my fear is if we are losing some day will Mickey be TOO loyal to him if he's not performing and maybe move Tommy, Sean or Mulgrew in there.
I think Mulgrew might play better at 13 or 15 and then rove back as a 3rd Midfielder/Half forward
I thought Penrose was very good in Omagh and not bad in Newry but was poor on Sat night and with Mugsy coming back I think he'll be the one to lose out next time.
I'd also like to see Gormley get 30 mins in the corner?
Anyone know why Mellon has suddenly turned the corner?
Did he get a kick up the a$$ or is it his own motivation that has him now jumping like a Globetrotter?
He's been given a chance - but bigger tests await on Saturday for everybody.
An amazing report in the Irish News who are sticking to the 1-18 to 1-10 story. He even claims the missed penalty kick-out was taken from the 20 meaning it was over the bar. It was wide and Devine did not kick it from the 20.
Quote from: feetofflames on June 17, 2008, 09:03:29 AM
In my opinion Harte made made a fcuk upo when picking hisa panel this year, and I think he needs to look at who are the current form players in Tyrone.
Harte will probably want to stay on but hes walking no road until he acknowledges his errors
1) Mulligan / Hughes - thanks and goodbye
2) Analyse the capabilites and potential of the Peter Donnellys, C Gourleys, R Mellons, R Mc Menamins, D Hartes on the paneland ask, Are they still county standard and better than many club players out there - Surely these guys are now panellists at best.
3) HArte placed his conviction since 2006 on Raymie Mulgrew and has been proven wrong to the greater extent
4) Mc Cullough had a match saving ball to win and he wouldnt bend for it at the end of extra time. Bravery should be a prequisite.
5) Is Harte picking 2 many small men, old men, yellow men, average men,.
6) He used Gourley in midfield in the championship niot in the league
7) His bizarre on off relationship with Mc Caul - 2 shampionship games - no league football
8) His bizarre restrictions on Sean Cavanangh
9) The body language of Tyrones gretest ever defender Conor Gormley
10) His continual reference to injuries over the last 3 years in the media qualified by "Ill not use that as an excuse." In the Independent recently they talked about Paul Quinn / Aidan Mc Carron / Brian Dooher / and Brian Mc Guigans injuries. Excuse me but the first two were not Tyrone regulars. When would you hear about injured Kerry players who had played less than an hour for their counties in the national media.
11) It was Mickeys risk to take but he pinned Tyrone fortunes this year on Dooher and Mc Guigan coming back to full fitness - this was a high risk strategy and it failled, as much in the fact that it failed to deal with and was never going to deal with many of the other problesm that were obvious.
12) The loss of talent like Steven O neill, Aidan Mc Carron, Niall mc ginn, Shane Sweeney. Declan Mc Crossan - Could they have been managed better, Can they be got back - thats a huge grey area.
13) The qualifiers could be his last hurrah for the good of Mickey as a person and for Tyrone football which is more important than any one individual. Theres a nuimber of questions he probably needs to address if he is to achieve in the longer teram again..
Tir Eoghain abu
Leave the managing to Mickey, he know's what he's at.
What a crock of horseshit. The improvements that Mickey made under my instruction were enough to kickstart the Tyrone revival. Players needed to hear my harsh realities. Men like you would have Tyrone in division 3.
Quote1) Mulligan / Hughes - thanks and goodbye
I got to point one of your pub-rant and it told me all I needed to know. Never drink on an empty head.
QuoteThe improvements that Mickey made under my instruction
The day Mickey Harte starts taking advice from the likes of you is the day he's found wandering the streets with a bottle in a brown paper bag. ;D