Attention will now turn to championship and defence of our Ulster crown after a disappointing league campaign that has left more unanswered questions rather than answered...question marks and issues still remain as to Tyrone's prospects for the summer...
issues to be discussed:
Full back line esp full back....
where to play sean...
will dooher make it?
can brian mcguigan sustain it?
mulgrew enigma
full forward line...will SON return...
answers on a postcard please
Seriously this kind of thing gets rather annoying, no sooner is the final whistle blown on the last game, and already the next game thread is up. And it's not even on until June FFS.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 14, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
Seriously this kind of thing gets rather annoying, no sooner is the final whistle blown on the last game, and already the next game thread is up. And it's not even on until June FFS.
That's one thing about the board ! You can't stifle debate on it !
Answers to these questions will hopefully be provided in the coming weeks !
Any update on Mulligan ?
What will MH do with his squad in the next 6- 8 weeks - I know he doesn't do challenge matches - what will he do instead ??
Do you think they'll bring in a financial consultant to sort out how to invest the "expenses" ??? ;) :D :D
Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 14, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
Seriously this kind of thing gets rather annoying, no sooner is the final whistle blown on the last game, and already the next game thread is up. And it's not even on until June FFS.
Don't f00kin read the threads if they're too much? Jaysus there's some Victor Meldrews on this board.. The nature of any message forum is that any thread/topic which is not 'en vogue' will naturally sink to to the bottom whereas any thread that is 'popular' will gravitate to the top.
Read 'Message Forums - Chapter 1' for more info Owen..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 14, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
will gravitate to the top.
Is that not the opposite of gravitate? Surely you mean float to the top? ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on April 14, 2008, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 14, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
will gravitate to the top.
Is that not the opposite of gravitate? Surely you mean float to the top? ;)
gravitate (from www.dictionary.com)
verb
1. move toward; "The conversation gravitated towards politics"
2. be attracted to; "Boys gravitate towards girls at that age"
3. move due to the pull of gravitation; "The stars gravitate towards each other"
If it's grammar we're on.. ;)
I thought we were talking about Tyrone and Down ?? ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 14, 2008, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on April 14, 2008, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 14, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
will gravitate to the top.
Is that not the opposite of gravitate? Surely you mean float to the top? ;)
gravitate (from www.dictionary.com)
verb
1. move toward; "The conversation gravitated towards politics"
2. be attracted to; "Boys gravitate towards girls at that age"
3. move due to the pull of gravitation; "The stars gravitate towards each other"
If it's grammar we're on.. ;)
Damn those pesky dictionaries :-[
Given its April and this match is now just a few weeks away surely there is another question;
How many key Tyrone players will get injured between now and the start of the championship?
7 All-Irelands between them since 1960.
4 all irelands, 2 national leagues and 7 Ulster Championship between them since 1991.
2 All Irelands, 2 National leagues and 3 Ulster Championships between them in the last 8 years. Some tradition!
QuoteHow many key Tyrone players will get injured between now and the start of the championship?
Exactly what I have been thinking.
Fcuk ye's are a depressing bunch. McGuigan plays a stormer on his first start for Tyrone in 2 years and we are already looking for excuses and i told ye so's. Things are improving at the right time ao lets be a bit more positive.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 15, 2008, 09:01:52 AM
QuoteHow many key Tyrone players will get injured between now and the start of the championship?
Exactly what I have been thinking.
Come on lads - how many will we have recovered from injury by then ? That's more positive ! :D
cough
Quote from: tyroneman on April 15, 2008, 11:37:09 PM
So are we any closer to solving the 3 big problems?
1. Fulk Back
2. Midfield
3. Scoring Forward
8 weeks till showtime......................................................................
Usually I'm an optimistic sort of a chap and from what I heard last week I DO believe Mickey knows what he's at and he was happy to just come thru the league testing a few players and not pushing them too hard.
Trying to get people back from injury has obviously been the main focus for the summer as many think this could be Mikcey's last year.
However, there is no getting away from the fact that whatever we're doing different in Tyrone, it just can't be coincidence that so many of the squad get injured every year now.
I'm hopeful though with the return of BOTH McMahons, Dooher, 2 fit McGuigans and a lean fit Mugsy we can be a force again. At least to get to the top 3/4 level at least.
Full back in more of an issue that MF & forwards I think but then again maybe Justy or Joey can play well there. Joey did great there in 2005 if I recall correctly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2008, 08:26:02 AM
Usually I'm an optimistic sort of a chap and from what I heard last week I DO believe Mickey knows what he's at and he was happy to just come thru the league testing a few players and not pushing them too hard.
Trying to get people back from injury has obviously been the main focus for the summer as many think this could be Mikcey's last year.
However, there is no getting away from the fact that whatever we're doing different in Tyrone, it just can't be coincidence that so many of the squad get injured every year now.
I'm hopeful though with the return of BOTH McMahons, Dooher, 2 fit McGuigans and a lean fit Mugsy we can be a force again. At least to get to the top 3/4 level at least.
Full back in more of an issue that MF & forwards I think but then again maybe Justy or Joey can play well there. Joey did great there in 2005 if I recall correctly.
Hub played well in the 2003 final if my memory serves me well ! ;)
McCarron dd all right at full back earlier in the year. Has he been ruled out at this stage?
Quote from: Zapatista on April 16, 2008, 08:33:01 AM
McCarron dd all right at full back earlier in the year. Has he been ruled out at this stage?
Is he still on the panel even ?
Boys, I have a spy in the Down camp. Check here for regular updates. All I can say at the minute is that Coulter is eating wild deer fillet sandwiches twice a day. McComiskey is taking horse tablets. More later.
Theres talk if Down get to the All Ireland final that Marty Clarke will be coming back.
Quote from: rrhf on April 16, 2008, 10:22:31 AM
Theres talk if Down get to the All Ireland final that Marty Clarke will be coming back.
i cant see collingwood letting him away, though kildare will be tough to get by so we wont count our chickens! ;D
Quote from: rrhf on April 16, 2008, 10:22:31 AM
Theres talk if Down get to the All Ireland final that Marty Clarke will be coming back.
There's more chance of Arthur C Clarke coming back than Down getting to an All Ireland final
one step away!! ;D
Hey Tyrone folk, I see Meath and your lads are playing the Ulster Minor League final on Thursday evening in Cavan. How are they looking this year?
The talk is its a great Tyrone minor team this year, though I've heard this talk before in recent years and we didnt get close to winning an All Ireland. However, based on the hammerings they have given out in the ulster league and the fact that Dungannon won the Hogan Cup I think that the talk could be true. Also there's a couple of great players from last year including Kyle Coney who has been linked to the Aussie Rules. Are Meath any good?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 08:06:40 PM
Hey Tyrone folk, I see Meath and your lads are playing the Ulster Minor League final on Thursday evening in Cavan. How are they looking this year?
It's the best Tyrone Minor side since 1998.
Hard to say. Next years team is supposed to be savage going by u-14 and Gerry Reilly results. Don't know a whole lot about this years vintage.
Anyone know how the game went in Cavan this evening?
It says on the county bit of tyronegaa.ie that Tyrone were held to a draw - when you opne the story its blank. Presume it must have been a draw.
1-16 to 2-13 AET.
Must have been a cracker.
Isnt this thread a bit premature?
Quote from: Down Gael on April 24, 2008, 11:59:43 PM
Isnt this thread a bit premature?
Just like everyone from Tyrone ;D
Would that have been Tyrones championship XV? I think Meath were missing a few lads. Can't find much of a detailed report anywhere.
Oh its all gone quiet over here.
What's the Story lads?
Are we happily waiting in the long grass or have we any news?
How's all yer county players getting on with yer clubs?
How's the McGuigan, Cavanagh,McMahon brothers all doing.
Could we have all 6 starting on 8th June
Dooher seems to be making good progress again I believe though haven't saw him myself.
I was at a wedding there recentrly with a large Down crowd and sounds like yer not too optimistic at all at all.
All yer promising minors don't seem to be cutting thru and Ross can't be a miracle worker I was told.
Tommy McGuigan had to go off injured against Omagh on sunday after 10-15 mins - looked like a hamstring injury :( Brian was quiet by his standards.
Joe McMahon played for Omagh and was quiet enough, Justin McMahon was not playing.
Any word on whether Mulligan played last night? I see McGinley got the line against Eglish for 2 yellows. McCullagh kicked 8 points for Dromore and saw a report from their game last week that McMenamin played very well. Saw in the Times that Cavanaghs,Mellon and Jordan kicked something like 1-15 between them v Moortown, with Mellon getting 7 and C Cavanagh 1-3. Hopefully we can stay injury free for the next 5 months and pick up wins against Down, Armagh, Derry, Meath, Dublin and Kerry to win Sam.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 29, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
Any word on whether Mulligan played last night? I see McGinley got the line against Eglish for 2 yellows. McCullagh kicked 8 points for Dromore and saw a report from their game last week that McMenamin played very well. Saw in the Times that Cavanaghs,Mellon and Jordan kicked something like 1-15 between them v Moortown, with Mellon getting 7 and C Cavanagh 1-3. Hopefully we can stay injury free for the next 5 months and pick up wins against Down, Armagh, Derry, Meath, Dublin and Kerry to win Sam.
The answer to that is in your name TD ;D
Aye your probably right, probably is unrealistic to expect Meath to get to the quarters again this year.
Saw in the Times that Cavanaghs,Mellon and Jordan kicked something like 1-15 between them v Moortown, with Mellon getting 7 and C Cavanagh 1-3.
So you have stopped attending the games now!!!
Had to look in page three for this thread. Has the long grass really got that bad?
Actually I haven't saw Page 3 since the visit to the maternity hospital.
Heard a story at the weekend from a Donegal man in the know that in the recent Tyrone fitness test Dooher managed 8 mins in the dreaded Plank test.
You know the wan where ye lye on yer back & ye keep yer legs a few inches off the ground.
5 mins is meant to be great for real athletes but 8 mins is unreal he said.
How's the other squad members fairing out?
Any news from the weekend camp?
Is Tommy still injured?
What about Justy?
It could be a hard road via Ulster this year with Down, Armagh & maybe Derry or Monaghan in the way.
I don't think I could face another 10 match run again this year lads.
:D
For tyrone to win sam again you will be on a road trip as the qualifiers beckons
Quote from: off the laces on May 07, 2008, 04:53:43 PM
For tyrone to win sam again you will be on a road trip as the qualifiers beckons
If you say so, then I'll take the road trip ! ;) :D
QuoteIf you say so, then I'll take the road trip !
I'd say it will be a multi-year journey!!
Is the plank test not the one where u lie face down in a press up position and hold ur body off the ground, with your hands joined together??
heard snowy o'neill got 8 mins aswell...apparently he had the best fitness sores, with him finishing the bleep test tape altogether!!!
(http://z.about.com/d/sportsmedicine/1/0/g/5/plank_hover.JPG)
8 minutes seems a lifetime
Quote from: gerry on May 07, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
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8 minutes seems a lifetime
What does this show ?
That you have strong arms ? Stomach muscles ? Legs ? Or what ?
Quote from: orangeman on May 08, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: gerry on May 07, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
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8 minutes seems a lifetime
What does this show ?
That you have strong arms ? Stomach muscles ? Legs ? Or what ?
I think the new buzz word is core stability :D
I dont think Ardboe teams of previous decades employed such training practice :D
I haven't saw this Snowy O'Neill play?
What's he like?
Tall/Small?
Strong or fast?
Accurate or workhorse?
Why do you reckon he wasn't so good in the NFL
Remember how good Penrose was when he came into NFL team
No word on Tommy then?
Is Omagh all ticket for Down game?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2008, 12:01:52 PM
I haven't saw this Snowy O'Neill play?
What's he like?
Tall/Small?
Strong or fast?
Accurate or workhorse?
Why do you reckon he wasn't so good in the NFL
Remember how good Penrose was when he came into NFL team
No word on Tommy then?
Is Omagh all ticket for Down game?
Snowy wouldnt be that overly tall probably wouldnt be 6ft, He is fairly quick but wouldnt say he is lightening fast.
Tommy is still injured - hamtring.
I tihnk its an all ticket game in Omagh.
Quote from: gerry on May 07, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
(http://z.about.com/d/sportsmedicine/1/0/g/5/plank_hover.JPG)
8 minutes seems a lifetime
8 mintues :o :o :o, Jaysus 30 secs and I'm rocking...
8 minutes? I'll give that a go tonight and time myself. I'm thinking.... 8 seconds.
Anyway, the sun is baking down and the day's are longer. The bird's are singing and everyone's happy. I'm beginning to get Championship fever now :)
From Irish Indo
Mulligan hammer blow for Red Hand prospects
Tyrone attacker Owen Mulligan is a doubt for the Ulster SFC opener against Down next month.
Mulligan is struggling to overcome a hamstring injury picked up during the National League back in March. He sat out Cookstown's mid-week league game against Galbally this week.
The former All Star and double All-Ireland winner was approaching top form when he suffered the injury in the first half of the Red Hands' league win over Laois on March 15.
Mulligan missed Tyrone's remaining three games of the campaign, and his current situation remains a worry for manager Mickey Harte. His absence from the frontline would be a serious blow to the Red Hands' championship prospects.
Otherwise, Harte's squad is slowly returning to full fitness. Brian Dooher and Joe McMahon, who played no part in the National League, have returned from lengthy injury lay-offs to play with their clubs in recent weeks.
Progress
And Brian McGuigan, having played his first full game in two and a half years against Mayo in the final league game of the campaign, continues to make progress after his injury setbacks.
Would be very hard to predict the Tyrone team for this game even if there was no injuries to contend with (which is highly unlikely). If you looked at the last league game then you'd say it would be something like below with a number of positions up for grabs (I've put players also strongly in contention for the positions in brackets):
P McConnell
R McMenamin
Joe McMahon (Justy McMahon)
M Swift (M McGee/PJ Quinn/McCaul)
D Harte
C Gornley
P Jordan
E McGinley
C Holmes (K Hughes/Justy McMahon/Joe McMahon)
B Dooher
B McGuigan
R Mulgrew (R Mellon/C Cavanagh/T McGuigan)
C McCullagh
S Cavanagh
O Mulligan
Think McCullagh will get his place in the forwards for his free taking. Dont think Id pick Mulgrew but Harte seems to be a big fan. Also wouldnt be sure about Holmes but he showed well in the last league game so may get the start.
Its never easy to predict a Harte team and Cavanagh could easily be in midfield with Hub and a full forward line of McCullagh, Mulligan and either Tommy McGuigan or Colm Cavanagh.
Mulligan's out of the Down game with a Hamstring injury.
I thought he was only doubtful according to recent reports, didnt see anywere or havent heard any word that he was definately out. Wonder how serious it is, seems strange for a hamstring injury to keep someone out from early March to 8th June. He did come on in one of Cookstowns games so maybe he has hurt it again, would be a big blow to the forward line.
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 08, 2008, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 08, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: gerry on May 07, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
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8 minutes seems a lifetime
What does this show ?
That you have strong arms ? Stomach muscles ? Legs ? Or what ?
I think the new buzz word is core stability :D
I dont think Ardboe teams of previous decades employed such training practice :D
:D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I ownder could we get this girl in to demonstrate the required technique ?
I bet you'll be watching very closely orangeman ;)
QuoteI ownder could we get this girl in to demonstrate the required technique ?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2008, 09:46:35 PM
I bet you'll be watching very closely orangeman ;)
He's hardly able to spell with the thought of it Ziggy :D
Quote from: redcard on May 10, 2008, 10:15:24 PM
QuoteI ownder could we get this girl in to demonstrate the required technique ?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2008, 09:46:35 PM
I bet you'll be watching very closely orangeman ;)
He's hardly able to spell with the thought of it Ziggy :D
Hard to type with one hand redcard ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2008, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: redcard on May 10, 2008, 10:15:24 PM
QuoteI ownder could we get this girl in to demonstrate the required technique ?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2008, 09:46:35 PM
I bet you'll be watching very closely orangeman ;)
He's hardly able to spell with the thought of it Ziggy :D
Hard to type with one hand redcard ;)
Sorry about that lads - I was just doing a bit of thinking there ............ ! ;) ;) :D ;D ;D
Tyronies, that Ulster MFL replay is on this weekend. Think its in Cavan again. Should be a good game. Meath beat the Dubs after ET last Saturday.
Sorry if I missed the answer if it was already given but why are Meath playing in the ULSTER minor final again?
So any more injuries from the weekend matches lads?
How's Tommy mcGuigan doing now and Mugsy.
Is he defo out or being rested just in case.
Dooher was apparently in great form yesterday and No Stevie didn't play.
Are Down showing any interest in this match or are they growing extra long grass in the marshes?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2008, 10:58:25 AM
Sorry if I missed the answer if it was already given but why are Meath playing in the ULSTER minor final again?
So any more injuries from the weekend matches lads?
How's Tommy mcGuigan doing now and Mugsy.
Is he defo out or being rested just in case.
Dooher was apparently in great form yesterday and No Stevie didn't play.
Are Down showing any interest in this match or are they growing extra long grass in the marshes?
Because they drew the last day. 8)
With all this debate about Saturday evening games. Twould have been a great setting to having Down (along with Tyrone the only other county outside Cavan from Ulster to have achieved greatness as defined by Joe Kernan (2 Sam maguires or more)) come to Omagh on a warm summers evening. Would create a very atmospheric arena with a packed house.
No I mean why are Meath in the Ulster Minor league at all.
This Sat night matches are nice for home fans but not so good for away fans, especially with children
What's the capacity of Omagh now?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2008, 01:02:26 PM
No I mean why are Meath in the Ulster Minor league at all.
This Sat night matches are nice for home fans but not so good for away fans, especially with children
What's the capacity of Omagh now?
They are there to bring a bit of flair and style to proceedings no doubt.
Quote from: feetofflames on May 12, 2008, 12:30:19 PM
With all this debate about Saturday evening games. Twould have been a great setting to having Down (along with Tyrone the only other county outside Cavan from Ulster to have achieved greatness as defined by Joe Kernan (2 Sam maguires or more)) come to Omagh on a warm summers evening. Would create a very atmospheric arena with a packed house.
Nice try, but... the definition of greatness is a team that can win 2
in a row Sam Maguire. So
only, An Cabhán agus An Dún, qualify from Ulster 8)
Of course, that is not to mention that to be a
truly all time great team you must win at least 5 in total. Again, only Cavan and Down qualify.
Well with the game just under 3 weeks away what do any Tyrone ppl think our starting 15 be? Who do yous reckon at this stage are certs? Ill have a ago at the certs 1st.
1. Packy
2. Ricey
3.
4.
5. Davy
6. Gormley (at 3 a possiblilty?)
7. Philly Jordan
8. Enda
9. Cav (Id rather him on the square)
10. Mulgrew
11. Brian
12.
13. Mc Cullagh
14.
15.
I'll stick my neck out a little further and go for
1. Packie
2. Ricey Defo or maybe at CHB
3. Joey Prob but maybe Gormley/McCaul
4. Carlin/McGee/Gourley/Swift
5. Harte Defo
6. Gormley or at FB
7. Jordan Defo
8. Enda Defo
9. Holmes/Hub MAYBE
10. Dooher Defo
11. McGuigan Defo
12. Mulgrew Maybe (maybe even Penrose or Colm Cav)
13. McCullagh Defo for Frees
14. Sean Poss or maybe at MF OR Mugsy or Colm Cavanagh
15. Mugsy/Tommy/Snowy O'Neill God knows
That Leaves
Ryan Mellon - Had enough chances of late but harte seems to like him
Niall Gormley - I think he deserves another chance.
Sounds like Justin, Tommy and maybe Mugsy will be out injured or just coming back from injuries
What's Justy's injury?
Is it true Penrose is playing well for Aghyaran?
I think people give him an awful hard time wheareas are more patient with others such as Mellon or Mulgrew.
This is the team Id go with but seems like there are questions over the fitness of Joey, Tommy and Mugsy and whether or not Dooher will be ready. Still it wouldnt be the championship without a few Tyrone players going down with injury.
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.Justy McMahon
4.Quinn
5.Harte
6.Gormley
7.Jordan
8.McGinley
9.S.Cavanagh
10.Dooher
11.B.McGuigan
12.Mulgrew
13.T.McGuigan
14.McCullagh
15.Mulligan
That is a decent enough team and would have the likes of Joe McMahon, Gourley, Hub, Cavanagh Og, Mellon, McCaul, Carlin etc ready to come in and bolster it.
I'd say there'll be a fair bit of fear of Coulter and his goal scoring prowess going into
this one which tells me Gormley might have to put yet another fire out :-\ ...or at least
contain it
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 19, 2008, 11:53:13 PM
I'd say there'll be a fair bit of fear of Coulter and his goal scoring prowess going into
this one which tells me Gormley might have to put yet another fire out :-\ ...or at least
contain it
Gormely must be a bit fed up now of having to attend all these fires - he now mans the station, drives the appliance, puts the fire out and attends to the wounded as well as driving the ambulance to the hospital - it's time he got a bit of help !!
Boys, I saw the Down stat man today and he had a big feck-off calculator in his hands. Brand new I'd say. We're in the dung now.
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2008, 03:23:37 PM
Boys, I saw the Down stat man today and he had a big feck-off calculator in his hands. Brand new I'd say. We're in the dung now.
I wonder does it go on red diesel or clear ? ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D ;D
All this firefighting talk, surely thats Gormleys job to play as well as he can in whatever position the manager sees fit to use him ....I have no doubt conor does for Tyrone no matter where he is used, so why is there a problem.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 19, 2008, 11:24:43 PM
This is the team Id go with but seems like there are questions over the fitness of Joey, Tommy and Mugsy and whether or not Dooher will be ready. Still it wouldnt be the championship without a few Tyrone players going down with injury.
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.Justy McMahon
4.Quinn
5.Harte
6.Gormley
7.Jordan
8.McGinley
9.S.Cavanagh
10.Dooher
11.B.McGuigan
12.Mulgrew
13.T.McGuigan
14.McCullagh
15.Mulligan
That is a decent enough team and would have the likes of Joe McMahon, Gourley, Hub, Cavanagh Og, Mellon, McCaul, Carlin etc ready to come in and bolster it.
I thought its Justy who is out injured at the moment with Joey back playing for Omagh.
Did Quinn not get injured near end of NFL?
Was it Ricey or Block that was switched to Coulter at start of 2nd half in 2005?
Yeah was it Ricey comes on and roughs him uo a bit before throw in and then Benny jumps about 3 feet from the ground and scores a cracker.
Quote from: rrhf on May 20, 2008, 03:47:54 PM
All this firefighting talk, surely thats Gormleys job to play as well as he can in whatever position the manager sees fit to use him ....I have no doubt conor does for Tyrone no matter where he is used, so why is there a problem.
Surely it's a problem not having faith in other defenders to do the job and in the position that he's picked in ? Surely you can't have Gormley being called to go do corner back when he is selected at centre half back ?
I agree Gormley should be kept in the one position, othere should be developed in theirs. It has cost him allstar awards in the past.
So potentially we are facing Down with:
No SON
No Mugsy
No Tommy
Half Fit Dooher
You really wonder where the scores will come from...............................
Mulgrew...................1 or 2
McCullogh..................3 or 4 depending on frees
Enda........................1 or 2 max
Mellon........................1 or 2 max
Sean..........................3 or 4 required min
add in 2 or 3 from the back unit...............................
Bookies have Down at 3/1 to win that game in Omagh if you fancy it.
This headline raised a smile, maybe it's an old joke that's always played
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7408259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7408259.stm)
"Red Hands relief over McMenamin"
Quote from: Main Street on May 20, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
This headline raised a smile, maybe it's an old joke that's always played
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7408259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7408259.stm)
"Red Hands relief over McMenamin"
Well worded indeed !
hope the down men give tyrone their full of it
worry though from a down perspective is that Rooney is injured and the full back line looks decidly dodgy,
will comiskey play a full game.
I was reading the match reports there in the Tyrone Times and I see a few county men seem to be playing well or at least getting good scores.
http://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/2618/Errigal-in-top-form.4076304.jp (http://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/2618/Errigal-in-top-form.4076304.jp)
Penrose (double figures 10+)
Colm Cavanagh 1.05 v Urney
McCullagh
Dooher 2 points
Hub 2 points
I reckon you could see a forward line of
Dooher
McGuigan
Penrose
Tommy Mac
Colm Cavanagh
McCullagh
When is Mugsy's finding out his sentence, if it happened I mean.
Im just not sure Fuzzman if that forward line is good enough for the championship. Losing Mulligan at this point would be a bit of a disaster particularly after he was showing some good form before getting injured. Ideally Id like a forward line of:
Dooher
McGuigan
Colm Cavanagh/Mulgrew/Tommy McGuigan/Mellon - any 1 of these 4
McCullagh
Sean Cavanagh
Mulligan
I really think we need a top class player at full forward and I dont see a better option than Cavanagh. I think that forward line is very strong on paper and would leave McGiinley in midfeild with Hub/Holmes or a McMahon. Surely someone knows what the situation is with Mulligan?
If you leave Sean Cavanagh out of midfield v Down, we'll lose. Gordon and Colgan will blitz that area and feed Coulter and McComiskey til the cows come home. Sean's presence is needed against a pair he is well capable of competing with.
Even though Gordon is tall I wouldnt say I rate Down as having a particularly good midfield, it would be average enough at county level. I'd be happy enough that McGinley and 1 of Holmes/Hub/McMahon could at least break even especially if they have a fit Dooher there to win break ball. If Cavanagh did come out to midfield Id bring McGinley into the forwards to add a bit of power.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 21, 2008, 07:33:39 PM
Even though Gordon is tall I wouldnt say I rate Down as having a particularly good midfield, it would be average enough at county level. I'd be happy enough that McGinley and 1 of Holmes/Hub/McMahon could at least break even especially if they have a fit Dooher there to win break ball. If Cavanagh did come out to midfield Id bring McGinley into the forwards to add a bit of power.
I know it's a while back but I thought in the Mc Kenna cup final they had a class midfield. Ok their league form went down the pan but the championship is a different story.
Colgan made his debut in injury time against Donegal in the 2006 USC without touching the ball and has not played a competitive game for Down since then. It would be a major surprise if he started against Tyrone, and most Down supporters are expecting Gordon and Rogers to be our midfield pairing. There is not much of a buzz in Down in the moment, to put it mildly, but you never really know.
Was thinking that about Colgan myself but thought then O'Neill knew something I didnt. Tyrone defeated Down in McKenna Cup with McGinley & Kelvin Hughes at midfield, Down had Gordon and Lynch.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 22, 2008, 08:34:41 AM
Was thinking that about Colgan myself but thought then O'Neill knew something I didnt. Tyrone defeated Down in McKenna Cup with McGinley & Kelvin Hughes at midfield, Down had Gordon and Lynch.
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Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 22, 2008, 08:34:41 AM
Was thinking that about Colgan myself but thought then O'Neill knew something I didnt. Tyrone defeated Down in McKenna Cup with McGinley & Kelvin Hughes at midfield, Down had Gordon and Lynch.
I'd take the same result again this time around !!!!!!!! ;)
Lads is this game on TV as I'm going to be away that wkend?
It's deferred coverage on the BBC.
Colgan midfield for Down??
:D :D
Don't make me laugh
Gordon and Lynch all the way
Wait and see...
I no that down are no world beaters but colgan must be up ther in the top 3 overated players in ulster. havent saw him play a good game since 2005 when he starred for down minors!
I believe he has been playing stormingly well behind closed doors. No one believes him though.
Did a bit of enquiring, you may be right o neill
So how're we fixed now lads after that round of league fixtures?
Any more injuries or sendings off?
Had they a training or bondage session there at the weekend or was Mugsy tied up?
I'd say Down will be re-running that Fermanagh match again & again yesterday and we can expect another cautious defensive approach in Omagh with Tyrone finding it hard to find their Full forward line.
I think the days of a 2 man forward line are truly over and if there's one thing I hate more is for half backs trying to hit balls into 2 forwards that are double marked.
So anyone wanna give us a roundup of how your county men did at the weekend.
As Ziggy said on Friday Dooher was quiet but effective when needed to be.
I think Penrose will start for Tyrone.
Team for 8th June
Pascal
Ricey
Justin
PJ Quinn
Davy
Rock
Philly
Enda
Colin
BrianDooher
Brian
Mulgrew
Tommy
Sean
Mugsy if fit
Close to the team will be : Penrose, Niall Gormley, Carlin, Swift
I hear that Mickey has ruled Mulligan out, as he has a few more complications with his hamstring.
Apparently S. Cavanagh injuried his ankle at the weekend and T. McGuigan pulled his hamstring, so they are looking dodgy for the game. Althought they haven't been ruled out yet.
Not a bad team OM but I thought Justy in out injured but Joey is back? Those two seem to take turns. Have they ever lined out together for the County?
I thought PJ Quinn also was out injured or is he back for his club? Do ye think he's better than Swift or Carlin. Harte seems to be a Carlin fan.
I agree with yer HB & MF although Holmes seems slow. Do you think Hub might get another chance? How's he playing for Killeshil?
I think you've the CHF line correct and to be honest that's probaby our 2 strongest lines which should make up for a weak midfield if Mulgrew gets himself sorted with not so much responsibility
I'd be happy with that FF line but like Fermanagh maybe Sean will swap with MF every so often if not winning enough ball there
Do you reckon Tommy will be OK OM?
How bad is Sean's injury?
I wouldn't listen to anything from the camp itself as there is always mystery before matches like this.
I too think Penrose mught get called into left half forward or maybe the corner.
Wonder how Mulgrew would do in the corner? At least he can shoot quite well
Based on this years league Mulgrew probably doesnt deserve to start. However, he has that bit of class that always mean he'll be considered by Harte. Anyone know how he's been playing for Cookstown? He still really has to prove that he can do it consistantly at this level - maybe he'd operate better coming of the bench. Would be very hard to predict the the team especially with the injuries about. I think I saw somewhere that Justy played a half for Omagh last week. If both McMahons are fit one will probably get the fullback slot and the other will be pushing for midfield. The Down one's seem very quiet on here and dont seem to confident - surely this is a great opportunity to defeat the ulster champions.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
I thought PJ Quinn also was out injured or is he back for his club? Do ye think he's better than Swift or Carlin. Harte seems to be a Carlin fan.
Dont think Harte is a fan of Carlin's, dont understand why he didnt dropped him last year against meath when he had 2 very goods games against donegal and monaghan
Anyone at the early league games such as the one in Galway will have seen exactly why Carlin isnt starting. He's just to loose to play in the full back line and not as good as the other half back options.
that explains the league this year but doesn't explain why he was dropped last year. Also he was carrying an ankle injury both in the Kerry and Galway game
Justin has a right bit to go yet to be fit.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
Not a bad team OM but I thought Justy in out injured but Joey is back? Those two seem to take turns. Have they ever lined out together for the County?
I thought PJ Quinn also was out injured or is he back for his club? Do ye think he's better than Swift or Carlin. Harte seems to be a Carlin fan.
I agree with yer HB & MF although Holmes seems slow. Do you think Hub might get another chance? How's he playing for Killeshil?
I think you've the CHF line correct and to be honest that's probaby our 2 strongest lines which should make up for a weak midfield if Mulgrew gets himself sorted with not so much responsibility
I'd be happy with that FF line but like Fermanagh maybe Sean will swap with MF every so often if not winning enough ball there
Do you reckon Tommy will be OK OM?
How bad is Sean's injury?
I wouldn't listen to anything from the camp itself as there is always mystery before matches like this.
I too think Penrose mught get called into left half forward or maybe the corner.
Wonder how Mulgrew would do in the corner? At least he can shoot quite well
Both the Mc Mahons are fit again and available for selection. PJ Quinn is fit and raring to go.
Hub was injured and seems to have lost form so can't see him getting near it. Sean will be 100% -
Going by the radio today, it sounds as if Mulligan will be out so I'd say you're looking at Penrose or Mc Cullagh in there.
Quotegreat opportunity to defeat the ulster champions
At the end of the day its still a division one side facing a division three side, and going by end of year form in the league things look bleak
But at the end of the day, anything can happen in the championship so who knows?
I'll predict Down by 2!!
Anyone know if this game is all ticket?
Yes it's all ticket.
I know we have a lot of defenders now that are all at a quite similar level
Can anyone give us a run down of what they think of them and what are their strengths and weaknesses
Ricey
Justy
Joey
McGee
Carlin
Quinn
Swift
Gourley
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Any others?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 27, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
But at the end of the day, anything can happen in the championship so who knows?
Is that not a qoute? ;)
QuoteIs that not a qoute?
What's a qoute?! ;)
Quote from: No1 on May 27, 2008, 12:08:23 PM
Anyone know if this game is all ticket?
Your secretary should have asked you if you required a ticket No 1......has she not rung you :P :P
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 27, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
QuoteIs that not a qoute?
What's a qoute?! ;)
You got me :D :D :D
QuoteYour secretary should have asked you if you required a ticket No 1......has she not rung you
The last time we spoke there was a frank exchange about a financial matter so I'd say I'm bottom of the Christmas card list! ;D
Any tickets floating about down your way? ;)
Going on this article ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7420227.stm ) Mulligan's injury isnt the kind which is going to clear up quickly and if he is still struggling badly with it now when it first flared up in March then Id be worried if he will 100% at any point this summer. I hate to be so pessimistic before the team has even played a championship match but the jury was very much out on could we be a force without SON. If you take out Mugsy as well its pretty clear that Tyrone will really struggle for scores. And possibly not even Tommy, one of the few bright spots from the league campaign.
Hopefully Im totally wrong and, as in 2005, things will start to come together over the weeks and months ahead :-\ :-\
I dont think anyone is really taken in these days by the injury scares that come out of the various camps at this stage of the championship.
won't be surprised to see OM or TMcG playing or evn starting on 8th June
Not sure what the story is exactly with mugsy but I saw him hobbling round at the Ardboe - Cookstown game last Friday night. Will be very surprised if Tommy is not fit and firing on all cylinders for the Down game, if fit he is a definite starter in my opinion and would say he will be one if the first forward on MH's team sheet as well.
Tyrone were training in Dunmoyle on Sunday and Mulgrew took a very heavy challange from McGee and was stretchered off with shoulder in bad shape. Dooher also pulled up. I was not there myself but heard this from guys that were there. :-\
Quote from: upthehoops on May 27, 2008, 03:15:56 PM
I dont think anyone is really taken in these days by the injury scares that come out of the various camps at this stage of the championship.
won't be surprised to see OM or TMcG playing or evn starting on 8th June
True but given the injury problems suffered by Tyrone over the previous two championships I dont think this can be written off as "injury scares". Mulligan is clearly struggling to shrug off a persistent injury problem he's had since March, that doesnt bode well for the summer.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 27, 2008, 03:46:26 PM
Tyrone were training in Dunmoyle on Sunday and Mulgrew took a very heavy challange from McGee and was stretchered off with shoulder in bad shape. Dooher also pulled up. I was not there myself but heard this from guys that were there. :-\
will Tyrone actually be able to field a team at all on 8th June.
Come on boys wise up!
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
Team for 8th June
Pascal
Ricey
Justin
PJ Quinn
Davy
Rock
Philly
Enda
Colin
BrianDooher
Brian
Mulgrew
Tommy
Sean
Mugsy if fit
Close to the team will be : Penrose, Niall Gormley, Carlin, Swift
McCullagh will start OM
any word from down boys on potential starting team??
The Down boys are usually on complaining about management etc at this time of year. Maybe theyre quielty confident on this occasion. Are Down likely to bring much of a support? You'd imagine there'll be a decent enough crowd with the game not being on live on tv but there doesnt seem to be a great deal of optimism from either county. I stilll think if the injuries can stay away Tyrone will be a match for most teams. Minor match should be pretty good.
I saw the Down stats man waltzing past today. He was grinning from ear to ear and had a sprightly spring in his step, some feat for a big man.
Tyrone's injury jinx is crippling the side already and we're entering this game on an even footing to Down. Liam Doyle, Benny Coulter and Dan Gordan could run riot.
Is it that bad ?. is it worth ye guys showing up?.
Quote from: ONeill on May 24, 2008, 01:05:51 PM
I believe he has been playing stormingly well behind closed doors. No one believes him though.
Skull caps, slalom poles, ladders etc and now closed doors. Amazing! Where can you purchase them?
I don't think I've ever seen a county team with as many injury problems from year to year. In one year fair enough but what is going on? Is it entirely coincidental or is there anything deeper like training methods?
Down appeared to peak too early but maybe the lull in the league will spark them up again. This has the makings of a good game. Tyrone have a suspect FB line. McComiskey / Coulter could do damage. However Tyrone have also a few boys who could do a bit of damage...
not sure about some of this injury talk, mind games id be expectin at this stage!
the games itself though should be entertaining enough, worried about the down defence because we seem to ship alot of goals but if we can sort that out im sure we can give the tyrone midfield a run for their money and that the down forwards can do some damage!
should be a tight 'un!
Its a pity this game isnt on tv, i think its the tie of the round!
Hopefully that'll encourage more people to attend and make it close to a sell out and thus creating a better atmosphere. Has all the makings of a high scoring decent game.
Whos gonna stop McCumiskey?
McComiskey is more likely to come off the bench.
He'll be a handful. Why he'd start on the bench I don't know. From what I've seen of him from the age of 17, he has as much talent and scoring prowess than of any Down forward with the exception of Coulter on his good days.
Down ran last years AI finalists Cork very close on Sunday - I'm expecting a tough match with Down - personally I think it will go either way.
Remember in 2003 - Down could and should have beaten Tyrone in Ulster final.
In 2005 in the rain in Omagh, it took Peter Canavan to come off the bench in the 2nd half to ease Tyrone into the next round. Tyrone have definitely a worse team since those heady days and this is a game that Down can win - they have nothing to lose - a bit like Fermanagh on Sunday past.
Mulligan rules himself out of Down clash
28 May 2008
Tyrone forward Owen Mulligan has revealed that he will not be fit in time for his side's Ulster SFC opener with Down on June 8, due to an injury on both his lower back and hamstring.
Manager Mickey Harte had hoped that his ace attacker could play some part in Omagh, but it appears that the Cookstown player has ran out of time to be fit for his side's clash with the Mourne County.
"It's just hamstring and lower back," Mulligan explained.
"I played a club game for Cookstown and I got through it all right but just that night, I don't know what's happened.
"I went for a scan and it showed that it flared up again, swelling on it and I don't think I'll be making the Down (game)...I'll not be togging out at all against Down."
Quote from: fred the red on May 27, 2008, 10:16:35 PM
Its a pity this game isnt on tv, i think its the tie of the round!
Deferred coverage on bbc2, just try to steer clear of the result! easier said than done.
Think McComiskey will be sprung from the bench like he was against cork at the weekend
Rony Murtagh playing well for Ballyholland hopefully can take that through
Ps it doesnt matter what all you Tyrone ones yap about your injuries an what have ya, stop trying to take the pressure off, youse are reigning champs, have home advantage and have been playing division one football all year WITH INJURIES so give it a rest
What injuries?
what injuries nail?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
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Ps it doesnt matter what all yuo Tyrone ones yap about your injuries an what have ya, stop trying to take the pressure off, youse are reigning champs, have home advantage and have been playing division one football all year WITH INJURIES so gve it a rest
Well said. And add to tha,t the bookies have Down as 10/3 against! How often do the bookies get it wrong?
The Down posters are the ones who
should be negative, but instead they accept the reality of the situation. There is no genuine basis for such outrageous negativity by the Tyrone posters. You are fooling no one but yourselves 8)
Quote from: charlie stubbs on May 28, 2008, 07:24:17 PM
what injuries nail?
Don't act the comedian Charles it doesn't suit ya!
Saw the Down stats man today. He was watching videos of Armagh in anticipation of the semi final clash.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2008, 10:27:27 PM
Saw the Down stats man today. He was watching videos of Armagh in anticipation of the semi final clash.
You seem to be permanently stalking the gentleman, ONeill 8)
Yes.
Quote from: western exile on May 28, 2008, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
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Ps it doesnt matter what all yuo Tyrone ones yap about your injuries an what have ya, stop trying to take the pressure off, youse are reigning champs, have home advantage and have been playing division one football all year WITH INJURIES so gve it a rest
Well said. And add to tha,t the bookies have Down as 10/3 against! How often do the bookies get it wrong?The Down posters are the ones who should be negative, but instead they accept the reality of the situation. There is no genuine basis for such outrageous negativity by the Tyrone posters. You are fooling no one but yourselves 8)
Fermanagh were 10/3 against last Sunday - so they do get it wrong - I'll have a bit of that 10/3 ! ;) :D It's too big !
Fermanagh 10/3??! They definitely weren't, we had them at 7/4 and very few places had them much better
QuoteSaw the Down stats man today. He was watching videos of Armagh in anticipation of the semi final clash.
Did he have 2-7 written down somewhere....
I heard him muttering something about the 40 yr anniversary of their 68 triumph. They see Tyrone as a stepping stone.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2008, 11:42:34 PM
I heard him muttering something about the 40 yr anniversary of their 68 triumph. They see Tyrone as a stepping stone.
They'll be putting in a big effort then ! Jim Mc Cartan is to lead the team out on 8th ! ;)
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has been handed a double boost to his squad with the news that the experienced pairing of Brian Dooher and Brian McGuigan are likely to be fit for his side's meeting with Down on June 8.
Both have suffered from long-term injuries which have enabled them to perform for the Red Hands consistently over in the past year, but their returns comes as welcome news for Harte, especially since Owen Mulligan has ruled out for the team's Ulster SFC opener against the Mourne County.
"They have recovered well and that is a serious boost to our team," said Harte.
"Both have had some good game time behind them now, within our own context and they have had games with their clubs.
Dooher captained Tyrone to All-Ireland success in 2005, while McGuigan is widely regarded as one of the finest playmakers in the country and Harte now believes that the competition for a starting place in the Red Hands' side is as fierce as ever.
"I think we are in as good a position as we have been for a number of years, in so far as we have a lot of competition for places," said Harte.
Some journalists don't have much to report on, have they ?? This is hardly news is it ?
very funny lads, how many triumphs have youse??
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 11:54:22 PM
very funny lads, how many triumphs have youse??
Not as many as youse to be fair ! We're just trying to lift the spirits here ahead of the ambush !
who's ambushing who though?? ;)
We're getting ready - there'll be men on the Ballygawley roundabout watching out for ringers on the team bus. Customs might even be there to search for illegal fuel or other contriband ! ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully Tyrone afford Down the same respect that was shown to the London and Armagh hurlers last week in Pairc Esler, Newry.........
Senior 2pm , minor 12.15pm, onJune 8th.
Any thoughts on a gadderin' in Mollys perhaps
Any updates on injury front ? It sounds as if Tyrone and Down could field another side of injured players at this stage ?
To be fair at this point the injuries dont seem as bad as in prior years entering the championship. Mulligan seems to be the only one who is definately out. There seems to be concern over Tommy McGuigan and Justy McMahon. Cavanagh is expected to make it afer an injury scare. Is there any other injuries in the squad? Id imagine the county squad will be meeting up today for a bit of training.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 01, 2008, 09:25:58 AM
To be fair at this point the injuries dont seem as bad as in prior years entering the championship. Mulligan seems to be the only one who is definately out. There seems to be concern over Tommy McGuigan and Justy McMahon. Cavanagh is expected to make it afer an injury scare. Is there any other injuries in the squad? Id imagine the county squad will be meeting up today for a bit of training.
Tommy is out for next Sundy for definite.
Quote from: orangeman on June 01, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 01, 2008, 09:25:58 AM
To be fair at this point the injuries dont seem as bad as in prior years entering the championship. Mulligan seems to be the only one who is definately out. There seems to be concern over Tommy McGuigan and Justy McMahon. Cavanagh is expected to make it afer an injury scare. Is there any other injuries in the squad? Id imagine the county squad will be meeting up today for a bit of training.
Tommy is out for next Sundy for definite.
where ya get this info from? Don't think will make much of a diff anyway
It might make a difference for the right footed free's. Who's going to take them now? Options would include Cavanagh and Mulgrew.
Very worried about the free-taking situation. Canavan and O'Neill were a luxury we got used to and Muliigan on his day was an option. I don't have the same faith in any of the forward unit, although would like to have seen Justin get a run at it.
Worried, in general, about scoring. Derry racked up a fair total today, missing 14 in the process. I simply cannot see Tyrone notching 1-15 or so.
From what I've heard, Dooher, the Cavanagh bro's, Brian McGuigan, and Jordan are flying. After that it's all on the day
I actually fancy Down to beat them.
Much has been said regarding defensive frailties, but I reckon Down are putting together a pretty functional attacking unit, and I can see us outscoring Tyrone next weekend.
Is the game all ticket?
This is a fascinating game and the excitement is mounting. I fancy Tyrone to send Down right back to the Mournes with their tails between their legs.
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2008, 09:07:47 AM
This is a fascinating game and the excitement is mounting. I fancy Tyrone to send Down right back to the Mournes with their tails between their legs.
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A 1 point win would do me.
what time are the minor and senior matches at
12.15 and 2pm
i take it is live on tv
I dont think its live. BBC are showing it later that day and dont think RTE are covering it.
BBC are showing it at seven pm sunday evening...
Quote from: loughshore lad on June 02, 2008, 10:38:16 AM
I dont think its live. BBC are showing it later that day and dont think RTE are covering it.
A full house expected !
Just got this notification about a change to throw in times from the County Board:
DOWN V TYRONE
ULSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2008
Healy Park, Omagh - Sunday 8th June
SENIOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 3.45 p.m.**
MINOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 2.00 p.m.**
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2008, 12:21:51 PM
Just got this notification about a change to throw in times from the County Board:
DOWN V TYRONE
ULSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2008
Healy Park, Omagh - Sunday 8th June
SENIOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 3.45 p.m.**
MINOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 2.00 p.m.**
It was advertised 12.15 and 2pm - why the change ?
Evem quieter in here....
Quote from: corn02 on June 02, 2008, 05:52:07 PM
Evem quieter in here....
Evem?? You call yourself a pr'ist?
You don't miss a trick boy.
Any preditions with the team?
heres mine:
McConnell
McMenamin
Joe McMahon
PJ Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
S Cavanagh
Dooher
McGuigan
Mulgrew
McCullagh
Penrose
McGuigan
Probably totally wide of the mark and sure you just never know what Mickey has up his sleeve!!
I'd go with the majority of that except:
McCullagh - Colm Cav - Niall Gormley in the full forward line. Perhaps a fit Carlin or McGee at 4.
I'd worry about McComiskey. He's about to explode onto the scene and will take a bit of watching. Joe should be able to compete with Coulter and if he's struggling I'm sure the Block will be deployed. Tyrone's best form of defence is to attack from the start. Down have a habit of causing Tyrone some difficulty when they're allowed to play football. If our half forwards can weigh in with a score or two each topped up by the Cavanaghs and 0-2/0-3 from Gormley and McCullagh, 1-12 or 1-13 might be enough.
Assuming Tommy McGuigan and Mugsy are out Ill guess the following:
McConnell
McMenamin
Joe McMahon
Swift
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Holmes
Dooher
McGuigan
Mulgrew (or Mellon)
McCullagh
Cavanagh
C Cavanagh (or Penrose/Mellon/Niall Gormley)
The one's Id doubt most would be Swift, Homes, Mulgrew and Colm Cavanagh. Would be confident enough the other 11 will start. Swift will be up against the likes of McGee,PJ Quinn,Carlin,Gourley and McCaul. Holmes will be up against Hub and 1 of the McMahons or Sean Cavanagh will take his place if he is played in the middle. Looks like the real team is named Thursday night.
Jesus Tyroneboi, that is the lightest Tyrone forward line I have seen in a long time. Surely C Cavanagh needed.
Tyrone Dreamer, you really are Tyrone dreamer. If Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked, as well as calling for Harte's resignation. Sean Cavanagh is the heartbeat of this Tyrone side, and has been since 2005. If he doesn't play around the middle, Tyrone will lose a major aspect to their game - that unstoppable penetration from the midfield area to the scoring zone. Dooher isn't going to be the force he was.
Holmes and McGinley would be wiped out, in my opinion.
Agreed O'Neill, theis match is all about the midfield.
Your entitled to your opinion. My way of thinking is that if we start with a full forward line of McCullagh - C Cavanagh - Gormley it will be one of the worst in Ulster. Every good team has one top class player in the full forward line and I think Cavanagh can be that option for us. It wont leave us much weaker in the air out the field but as you say we would lose his immense running ability. However as was shown in the Meath game last year he can be kept out of a game at midfield for long periods by fouling him of the ball - this will either not be punished or result in a free from round the middle which isnt dangerous. If we played him full forward we'd definately have to be slightly more direct. I think he'd have the ability to score 1-2 or 1-3 and win frees. Most scores came through him in the Mayo game in the league. My suggestion of the 2 Cavanaghs was based on Down having quite a small full back line.
Id like to see Justy McMahon possibly tried in the middle but based on the league Harte looks more likely to play Holmes-McGinley. Maybe McGinley could be played at half forward to give us extra power round the middle and McMahon or Hub in midfield.
Ill have a go at this
1)Pascal Mc Connell
2)Ryan Mc Menamin
3)Joe Mc Mahon
4)Michael Mc Gee
5)Davy Harte
6)Conor Gormley
7)Philip Jordan
8) Enda Mc Ginley The first 8 started the AIF 2005 in these positions. This is the first time Ive seeen them all fit and ready to play together again. Harte may well feel the same. Lets see what these guys have left,
9) Colin Holmes - I think Harte wants this to work finished 05 final
10) Brian Dooher - 05 final
11) Brian Mc Guigan - 05 final
12) Martin Penrose - Tyrone player in form at the moment. Mulgrew may well be injured can take frees very well.
13) Colm Mc Cullough - need to stay in / frees
14) Sean Cavanagh - 05 final moved into f / forward. could well be even more formidable at full forward than his excellent career at midfield given the time, can move out and be replaced by his brother inside / frees.
15) Niall Gormley - corner forward neede in there / frees
Cavanagh jnr / PJ,Mc Caul/ Swift/Gourley/ Mulgrew/ Mc Mahon jnr/ Mc guiganm jnr / Hub / Miulligan and others all ready to answer the call as well.
If I was Harte I would take the chance with 11 of the players who started the aif in 2005 to see as a team where we are. Holmes in there gives us a 12th player with that level of experience. The prospect of reuniting most of the men of 05 would be too hard to resist for me. The backline has been proven on the biggest occasion of all. This is the most exciting game Tyrone has entered into since 2005. We may meet a fantastic new Down team who could put us to the sword. I for one have every faith in Tyrone on Sunday and I would like to wish all the guys the best of luck in 2008.
If its all Ireland winners your aftter then you could bring in 3 others who started in All Ireland finals - Gourley,Hub & Mellon. Mugsy would be another if fit. Still would be nice to see 1 or 2 of the younger guys on like Justy,Colm C,Swift,Mulgrew,Tommy Mcguigan or PJ Quinn. Harte's always played Mellon so he cant be ruled out.
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
Tyrone Dreamer, you really are Tyrone dreamer. If Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked, as well as calling for Harte's resignation. Sean Cavanagh is the heartbeat of this Tyrone side, and has been since 2005. If he doesn't play around the middle, Tyrone will lose a major aspect to their game - that unstoppable penetration from the midfield area to the scoring zone. Dooher isn't going to be the force he was.
Holmes and McGinley would be wiped out, in my opinion.
Have you worked out far that is ? Cos you might just have to so it ! ;) :D ;D
First of all, let me say that Niall Gormley is unlikely to play as he got injured last week at training and is receiving treatment...he prob wasn't going to start anyway, but if mugsy and tommy are out/doubtful respectively, he may have had a role....
I see three big question marks next week....
1. can we handle Down's direct, powerful style of play?? In recent years we have seen teams doing this to counteract our total style of play, i.e defend en mass and attack en mass....i refer you to laois 06, meath 07 and even fermanagh last year who showed we can be attacked up the flanks and our defenders are suspect when isolated and run at one on one.....watch out in particular for daniel hughes, a pacy, direct soring forward who is likely to be deployed conveniently on davy's wing....davy has been exposed one on one before, remember gallogly, geraghty last year, even rory kavanagh v donegal last year in clones..
2. can we handle down's inside line??? this is likely to be a two man full forward line...they are one of the best teams at scoring goals...as we are probably one of the worst at 3 pointers, the big fear is that if down hit the net, we won't make it up in points owing to our impotent full forward line...who is to mark coulter?? probably conor gormley... dan gordon if he ends up inside??? probably joe mcmahon, but in my opinion, the big danger could be john clarke/mccomiskey, even mckiernan...a lot of ???? over our full back line lately, i expect him to deploy mccaul or mcgee in there, with ricey play at 6
3. finally, can we get enough scores?? well, it paradoxically depends on whether we can keep the goals out at the other end...i expect to see serious swarm tactics around the middle third, with dooher, mcginely etc...tyrone will try to limit the effectiveness of the ball going in, which may be the best method of curbing a dangerous inside line....look at how derry had time to play good ball into bradley yesterday....very few backs can mark players of his calibre if the ball is on a plate to him...and coulter is in a similar category to bradley...the worry for us is that our inside line lacks leadership and penetration...the reality is that sean cavangh may well be deployed at 14 for some period of the game, even though i agree that it is a rob peter to pay paul scenario...the alternatives are colm mccullagh/colm cavanagh....a lot has been said about mulgrew, and whilst i agree that he needs to up the ante, i feel it is just as important that colm cavanagh delivers....he has the potential, though i feel he lacks the bite and conviction to dominate at this level...he will be required at some stage on sunday, and we need to be talking about more than potential for him now....
team:
1. Pascal McConnell
2. Ricey
3. Joe McMahon
4. McCaul
5. Davy
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Holmes
9. Sean
10. Dooher
11. McGuigan
12. Mulgrew
13. McCullagh
14. Colm Cavanagh
15. McGinley
expect to see ricey at 6, gormley in full back, that would leave mccaul a roaving role...i feel carlin would be best suited to that, but the above is the team i expect mickey to select...also, justin mcmahon if fit would be better than davy at 5, but....
Could actually happen as we do have replacements in MF all be it not the same caliber
but are very limited at FF.
Be sure to give us a time and day O'Neill :o
Quote from: corn02 on June 02, 2008, 07:40:53 PM
Agreed O'Neill, theis match is all about the midfield.
I think this match will be decided by the fullforward lines
Whether getting good or bad ball - expect the Down full forwards to bring pressure and scores. It could be a constant danger zone.
If Tyrone choose to not play Sean there at all - his younger brother has to step up to the plate big time. I have a feeling that Goals will decide this game and Sean being constantly fouled out the field, giving down time to retreat and cut off the supply to a small full forward line will suit down. We need someway of wreaking havoc in the down defence, close to goal.
Anyone heading down to Kelly's on Thursday night? Bit of a presentation on the Garvaghy project followed my Mickey naming the team. Think Peter the Great Retired is spaking.
I had forgotten about Mellon, a Harte favourite. Could well start anywhere 10-15.
Tyrone's forwards may have a good day at the office but it is along time since we sent out a team without a potential prolific score-getter and that scares the shi'ite out of me. I was hoping that a really dangerous target man would be discovered during the league - young O'Neill or perhaps a resurgent Rouse but that simply hasn't happened. You could play Sean Cavanagh anywhere on the field but for that reason, I believe he should start centrally. Do you really trust Holmes/Hub/McGinley to win enough ball, clean or breaking. How match (Championship) fit really is Dooher?
Bookies aren't givers and rightly they have Tyrone favourite. We have pedigree and the medals to show for it. We have the better players in many positions and this Down side couldn't get out of Division 3. We're at home. There is little evidence that points to a Down victory. I just have something niggling at me as regards getting enough points on the board, especially from frees. Down scored 4 goals in a friendly recently v Monaghan, they goaled against us in 2005 in Omagh and scored 4 in the Ulster Final in 2003. This take a steady performance from Gormley et al with all forwards weighing in and accuracy from frees. I hope we don't see all frees 30m out taken short and allowing Down to smother.
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
I had forgotten about Mellon, a Harte favourite. Could well start anywhere 10-15.
Tyrone's forwards may have a good day at the office but it is along time since we sent out a team without a potential prolific score-getter and that scares the shi'ite out of me. I was hoping that a really dangerous target man would be discovered during the league - young O'Neill or perhaps a resurgent Rouse but that simply hasn't happened. You could play Sean Cavanagh anywhere on the field but for that reason, I believe he should start centrally. Do you really trust Holmes/Hub/McGinley to win enough ball, clean or breaking. How match (Championship) fit really is Dooher?
Bookies aren't givers and rightly they have Tyrone favourite. We have pedigree and the medals to show for it. We have the better players in many positions and this Down side couldn't get out of Division 3. We're at home. There is little evidence that points to a Down victory. I just have something niggling at me as regards getting enough points on the board, especially from frees. Down scored 4 goals in a friendly recently v Monaghan, they goaled against us in 2005 in Omagh and scored 4 in the Ulster Final in 2003. This take a steady performance from Gormley et al with all forwards weighing in and accuracy from frees. I hope we don't see all frees 30m out taken short and allowing Down to smother.
All the evidence has been shown all too clearly over the last couple of weekends - eg Wicklow beating Kildare ( who drew with us, let's not forget AT HOME ) - then Wexford go and beat Meath !
Do we need any further evidence ? I respect your optimism but I for one don't share it.
Erm, optimism? Did you read the context?
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2008, 08:55:32 PM
Mc guiganm jnr / Hub / Miulligan and others all ready to answer the call as well.
Surely if Tommy McGuigan was fit he would start. Perhaps Tyrone's best forward in the league and IMO without doubt ahead of the likes of Penrose and N.Gormley in the pecking order. Unfortunatly the word is he isnt fit for the weekend :(.
Anyway for me the ones in bold below are automatic choices if fit. For the rest very tough to call. McConnell shades it in goals, just a bit more reliable. FB remains the main issue and Im sorry young McCarron didnt get more games there this year. As it stands its probably either of the McMahons (and even then Harte will probably end up putting Block there). With Justy apparently not 100% then Joe gets the nod.
Corner back also very open. Carlin did great rampaging forward last summer but maybe questions over his marking. McCaul and Quinn have showed promise. McGee on 2005 form would go in there but for various reasons hasnt done it since. Mickey also rates Gourley highly, he might well be involved somewhere. Too hard to call but Im going with McCaul.
Midfield - Id keep Cavanagh there and start with McGinley next to him. Holmes useful as second half sub. Also feel Hub still has plenty to offer despite many people on here writing him off.
No.12 - Young Mulgrew is another who gets some undeserved stick IMO. The fact he was built up as the great protege has worked against him with people expecting miracles. Very tough start for him playing in much weakened Tyrone teams and with great expectation on his shoulders. With Dooher and McGuigan alongside him he would be playing in a much stronger division and I think he will start to do well consistently.
Full foward line, well a fit Mugsy is straight in there (and Tommy on league form) but neither is going to be fit it seems. McCullagh is a good player and Id play him at 14. Colm Cavanagh also worth a start especially given absence of Mugsy and Tommy. Colm had a couple of good showings near end of the league too. Final place in forward line is very tough to call. Neither Sean O' Neil or Niall Gormley have done enough (on limited chances in fairness) to nail it down nor has Penrose in the past. Wouldve liked to see Aidan McCarron kept on panel and given a chance in the league due to lack of scoring forwards but it didnt happen. Id go with a fit Niall Gormley but if he isnt 100% then an on form Penrose might be worth a start on Sunday but he is a player who would need to really grasp the chance. Mellon another option I suppose but I prefer him in the half forward line.
1.McConnell
2.
McMenamin3.Joe McMahon
4.McCaul
5.
Harte6.
C.Gormley7.
Jordan8.McGinley
9.
S.Cavanagh10.
Dooher11.
B.McGuigan12.Mulgrew
13.Penrose
14.McCullagh
15.
Mulligan but C.Cavanagh for Sunday
Decent enough team and great to have McGuigan back in contention. Problem is the full forward line and where are the scores coming from, thats what worries me.
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Anyone heading down to Kelly's on Thursday night? Bit of a presentation on the Garvaghy project followed my Mickey naming the team. Think Peter the Great Retired is spaking.
Me. Should be an interesting night when the plans are announced - it'll be some facility with an interesting shape!
Yep, Peter is speaking.
Yes Puckoon but it is all about the supply. If one team dominates the break ball count, they will win the match.
I see in today's Irish news that Raymie Mulgrew is out as well now.
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2008, 09:30:06 AM
I see in today's Irish news that Raymie Mulgrew is out as well now.
Told you that a week ago :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on May 27, 2008, 03:46:26 PM
Tyrone were training in Dunmoyle on Sunday and Mulgrew took a very heavy challange from McGee and was stretchered off with shoulder in bad shape. Dooher also pulled up. I was not there myself but heard this from guys that were there. :-\
I hope we get to meet u tyrone sheep shaggers this year.COME ON DERRY. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: liam mc on June 03, 2008, 10:22:53 AM
I hope we get to meet u tyrone sheep shaggers this year.COME ON DERRY. ;D ;D ;D
What an excellent first post, I foresee brilliant contributions from liam!!
Quote from: corn02 on June 03, 2008, 09:05:18 AM
Yes Puckoon but it is all about the supply. If one team dominates the break ball count, they will win the match.
Not necessarily so corn. very often a team can lose the midfield battle and win the game - tyrone being a very good example. if you are prepared for not winning a parity of possession it is eminently possible
Sure look at the match at the weekend, I think Donegal 'dominated' the game stats wise. I'm not a statto just copying kevin maddens column there yesterday...
Being able to win breaking ball is now more important than clean catches simply cos there are so few clean catches anymore.
Even the break ball count can be irrelevent
Quote from: Uladh on June 03, 2008, 12:08:16 PM
Even the break ball count can be irrelevent
Do you have to disagree with everything ? ;) ;D
Not necessarily but i do feel compelled to disagree with things i don't agree with...
So midfield isn't vital - neither is winning break ball - so what is vital in your opinion ? Forwards who can score ?
Midfield is of course vital. you seem to think playing midfield is exclusively about winning ball. if that were so sean cavanagh wouldn't be playing there. catching ball and winning breaks are highly desirable though not vital.
Quote from: Uladh on June 03, 2008, 01:05:22 PM
Midfield is of course vital. you seem to think playing midfield is exclusively about winning ball. if that were so sean cavanagh wouldn't be playing there. catching ball and winning breaks are highly desirable though not vital.
No - if you read my post, it alludes to the fact there are so few clean catches anymore - to me winning break is the most important aspect so that you can drive forward and put the scores on the board - Tyrone won 2 AI's at this.
Tyrone won two all irelands from not expecting to win the ball in the middle third and bottling up, turning possession over and counter atacking from there.
No, Tyrone won 2 All-Irelands by batin Armagh. The block. Marsden's moment of madness. Peter on one leg. McGeeney subbed. Peter on one leg. The rest is history. Save this for the semi-final....
Imagine how disappointed we'll be when ye stand us up for that date...
Quote from: Uladh on June 03, 2008, 01:25:48 PM
Imagine how disappointed we'll be when ye stand us up for that date...
imagine how happy Cavan and Down will be. Are ye both not getting a little ahead of yourselves? 8)
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2008, 12:21:51 PM
Just got this notification about a change to throw in times from the County Board:
DOWN V TYRONE
ULSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2008
Healy Park, Omagh - Sunday 8th June
SENIOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 3.45 p.m.**
MINOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 2.00 p.m.**
FFS. The missus is working, and I had to juggle around baby sitting to get to the match, and back again. Now it's moved back I'll not get anything sorted AND it's not now on TV.
Don't know why it's changed, but it's amateurish (I know, I know)!!
The wee men are the better men - thats what those Tyrone folks have been saying since 2003. Their skillful and swarmful style of football has brought them too the promised land in the process becoming first a very good and then a great team, but physically it has taken a devastating toll on the foot soldiers. Some guys take their knocks over longer periods and stay at the top until their early 30s - With Steven O Neill, Mulligan, Mc Guigan these knocks and injuries came thick and fast in their mid 20s as unrelenting and as intense as the games they played in. You can have all the talent in the world but if you are spending your summer months in recovery cryochambers then maybe physcially you may have met your match -Steven O neill seems to believe he has. Perhaps these odds against scenarios drive the Doohers and Mc Guigans of this world on - the small man versus the big injury - a little bit of madness required, a stomachful of courage. Whatever happens for Tyrone versus this bigger Down team may not decide who wins an All Ireland this year, but from a Tyrone point of view it may just decide who has won their individual off the field battles - the big injury V the small man. I believe Down are truly capable of coming from nowhere to win all Ireland titles. 2008 may well pan out to be a mourneful year, but if I was to call Sunday my money would be that if Tyrones injurious frontliners have some stuff left for the fight, then they can begin the process of entertaining their own summer dreams with the small team to take the big team by 1 or 2 in a medium to rare scoring game. A high scoring game and Id probably fancy the Down men. On an aside, Can anyone remember the last time Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in the championship?
You've been listening to the Mickey Harte propaganda radio station for too long son
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
The wee men are the better men - thats what those Tyrone folks have been saying since 2003. Their skillful and swarmful style of football has brought them too the promised land in the process becoming first a very good and then a great team, but physically it has taken a devastating toll on the foot soldiers. Some guys take their knocks over longer periods and stay at the top until their early 30s - With Steven O Neill, Mulligan, Mc Guigan these knocks and injuries came thick and fast in their mid 20s as unrelenting and as intense as the games they played in. You can have all the talent in the world but if you are spending your summer months in recovery cryochambers then maybe physcially you may have met your match -Steven O neill seems to believe he has. Perhaps these odds against scenarios drive the Doohers and Mc Guigans of this world on - the small man versus the big injury - a little bit of madness required, a stomachful of courage. Whatever happens for Tyrone versus this bigger Down team may not decide who wins an All Ireland this year, but from a Tyrone point of view it may just decide who has won their individual off the field battles - the big injury V the small man. I believe Down are truly capable of coming from nowhere to win all Ireland titles. 2008 may well pan out to be a mourneful year, but if I was to call Sunday my money would be that if Tyrones injurious frontliners have some stuff left for the fight, then they can begin the process of entertaining their own summer dreams with the small team to take the big team by 1 or 2 in a medium to rare scoring game. A high scoring game and Id probably fancy the Down men. On an aside, Can anyone remember the last time Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in the championship?
It's not that long ago, i'm still drying out from it.
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
The wee men are the better men - thats what those Tyrone folks have been saying since 2003. Their skillful and swarmful style of football has brought them too the promised land in the process becoming first a very good and then a great team, but physically it has taken a devastating toll on the foot soldiers. Some guys take their knocks over longer periods and stay at the top until their early 30s - With Steven O Neill, Mulligan, Mc Guigan these knocks and injuries came thick and fast in their mid 20s as unrelenting and as intense as the games they played in. You can have all the talent in the world but if you are spending your summer months in recovery cryochambers then maybe physcially you may have met your match -Steven O neill seems to believe he has. Perhaps these odds against scenarios drive the Doohers and Mc Guigans of this world on - the small man versus the big injury - a little bit of madness required, a stomachful of courage. Whatever happens for Tyrone versus this bigger Down team may not decide who wins an All Ireland this year, but from a Tyrone point of view it may just decide who has won their individual off the field battles - the big injury V the small man. I believe Down are truly capable of coming from nowhere to win all Ireland titles. 2008 may well pan out to be a mourneful year, but if I was to call Sunday my money would be that if Tyrones injurious frontliners have some stuff left for the fight, then they can begin the process of entertaining their own summer dreams with the small team to take the big team by 1 or 2 in a medium to rare scoring game. A high scoring game and Id probably fancy the Down men. On an aside, Can anyone remember the last time Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in the championship?
Excellent post RRHF -
Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in 2005 - We all got soaked in the terrace. Canavan had to come on to save the day.
Surely
That was the day Down minors bate Tyrone with a late goal as well.
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2008, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
The wee men are the better men - thats what those Tyrone folks have been saying since 2003. Their skillful and swarmful style of football has brought them too the promised land in the process becoming first a very good and then a great team, but physically it has taken a devastating toll on the foot soldiers. Some guys take their knocks over longer periods and stay at the top until their early 30s - With Steven O Neill, Mulligan, Mc Guigan these knocks and injuries came thick and fast in their mid 20s as unrelenting and as intense as the games they played in. You can have all the talent in the world but if you are spending your summer months in recovery cryochambers then maybe physcially you may have met your match -Steven O neill seems to believe he has. Perhaps these odds against scenarios drive the Doohers and Mc Guigans of this world on - the small man versus the big injury - a little bit of madness required, a stomachful of courage. Whatever happens for Tyrone versus this bigger Down team may not decide who wins an All Ireland this year, but from a Tyrone point of view it may just decide who has won their individual off the field battles - the big injury V the small man. I believe Down are truly capable of coming from nowhere to win all Ireland titles. 2008 may well pan out to be a mourneful year, but if I was to call Sunday my money would be that if Tyrones injurious frontliners have some stuff left for the fight, then they can begin the process of entertaining their own summer dreams with the small team to take the big team by 1 or 2 in a medium to rare scoring game. A high scoring game and Id probably fancy the Down men. On an aside, Can anyone remember the last time Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in the championship?
Excellent post RRHF -
Tyrone beat Down in Omagh in 2005 - We all got soaked in the terrace. Canavan had to come on to save the day.
The wife and I had just flown home, I said Id take her across the road to her first gaelic game. Fcuk it was a wet one! Still has the ticket stub in her passport.
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
Surely
That was the day Down minors bate Tyrone with a late goal as well.
Nearly the last kick - I still don't know how they managed to get that one past the goalie !!!!!
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
Surely
That was the day Down minors bate Tyrone with a late goal as well.
Nearly the last kick - I still don't know how they managed to get that one past the goalie !!!!!
That kick taken by James Colgan, who might see some action at the same venue on Sunday
Quote from: passedit on June 03, 2008, 02:19:41 PM
It's not that long ago, i'm still drying out from it.
I mind it well....as the Actress said to the Bishop I've never been as wet in my life :P :-X
It was the same day that the Huns beat the Celts to win their last league title. A few sensible men on our bus looked out the window that day and decided to stay in the pub.
Have to disagree Uladh, midfield is most defiently the key section. If one team DOMINATES the ywill win. It is purely down to Down's abilty to score but also their poor defence. They averaged just under 16 points a match in the league, if they get the service they will score. Likewise, the Tyrone forwards have the ability to punish a Down defence that is poor positional wise. Neither side is liekly to totally drench the defnces so there will be space and there will be forwards with the abilty. Win the midfield battle well and you will win the game. Tyrone won the All-Irelands without a great midfeild due to their swarming defence and also the classy forwards on show (SON and Peter Canavan) took the majority of their oppurtunities.
By the way I have a mate looking two tickets, can anyone help?
corn our nail might be able to help
Theyre selling them on ticketmaster. Doesnt look like they'll be too hard to get anyway. You'd imagine with it not being on tv there'll be over 15,000 at it, anything less would be a very poor crowd for a home Tyrone championship game.
Nah can't help the ticket situation is outta my hands, they on sale tonight but ive left it to my reliable cousin to get them as I am in work for a change.
Is Ross Carr still banned from the sideline?
How's Sean's injury?
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2008, 08:27:25 PM
Is Ross Carr still banned from the sideline?
How's Sean's injury?
The whole ban is up in the air according to today's irish star, main story in their pullout is that noone in down had heard yet about the ban, and the same goes for dj!! Some state of affairs, good prep the week before!
Surely he's banned. He received an 8-weeker didn't he?
Yeah so it'll likely be mickey doyle and decky mussen patrolling the sidelines...
Getting very excited for this game here now, the months of speculation wont matter on Sunday - unless we get beaten, then I suppose we will all be back here knowing when and where it went wrong. Hope the young lads coming through can show that there is indeed some sustanence to this "conveyor belt" of talent that has been the talk of the county for a few years now.
Sean Mor to tear down apart from both the middle of the pitch and full forward. Rumour has it that Conor Gormley has been teaching him the principles of physics and the power of bi-location.
Hopefully MH has a few tricks up his sleeve.
Right, let's get to the point, what will happen on sunday????
have it on good authority that they are looking at joe mcmahon at full forward....harte quoted in paper talking about adopting tactics etc...i expect to see a big man inside...not a big fan of putting sean cavanagh in there as i feel we are robbing peter to pay paul...also there remains the possibility of kevin hughes in there...anyhow, this is what i have been told the team may look like...
McConnell
Ricey
Joe McMahon
McGee
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Holmes
Sean Cavanagh
Dooher
McGuigan
McGinley
McCullagh
Colm Cavanagh
Penrose
which will look like:
McConnell
Gormley joe McMahon (justin mcmahon)
Ricey
Harte Jordan
Holmes McGinley
Dooher
McCullagh McGuigan Colm Cavanagh
Penrose Sean Cavanagh (joe mcmahon)
I'd say your very close with that team and if Cavanagh is playing full forward he'll probably be named midfield. Thought Swift might have started before McGee but certainly wouldnt be shocked if he didnt. Not sure were McGee fits into your formation!
Didn't he try Kevin Hughes in there v Donegal in 2004. It was very frustrating to watch and didn't work. Can't see how things have changed. McMahon wouldn't instill any confidence in that position either. Colm Cavanagh could come of age at FF.
Interesting positional predictions -- and big Joe on the edge of the square isn't beyond the realms.
But that just means stick any big lad on the edge of the square - Colm, Hughes, O'Neill - to put Joe there, on his way back from injury, just smacks of sticking a big man at FF. If you're going to do that, you'd do it with someone with a track record of scoring.
McConnell
Ricey Joe McMahon McGee
Harte Gormley Jordan
Holmes S Cavanagh
Dooher McGuigan Mellon
McCullagh C Cavanagh McGinley
I'd imagine that'll be what Mickey reads out on Thursday with Hughes possibly replacing Holmes.
All depends on how the training's gone ONeill, which I'm not particularly privy to; I wouldn't say he's been the only individual tried there, if indeed that's where he is actually named.
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2008, 11:55:34 PM
McConnell
Ricey Joe McMahon McGee
Harte Gormley Jordan
Holmes S Cavanagh
Dooher McGuigan Mellon
McCullagh C Cavanagh McGinley
I'd imagine that'll be what Mickey reads out on Thursday with Hughes possibly replacing Holmes.
I could live with that, however, I'd rather see Niall Gormley start on the basis that he's a more reliable free taker than any of those guys you've mentioned. Indeed, I'd venture to say he's the most reliable free taker on the panel this year. McGinley to replace Mellon at HF and if Hughes has any kind of form behind him in training then I'd rather see him than Holmes.
Niall Gormley is injured, i'd say he'll make bench at best....
i reckon that for us to win this, we''ll need to keep it low scoring...we need to stop down scoring goals...as i don't feel that
i) we'll score any goals
ii) we'll struggle to make up any down 3 pointers with points....
we were very impotent in the scoring stakes during the league, and regardless of the make up of the forward line, we don't have a 5-6 point guaranteed scorer...who will hit the right footed frees?? sean??
i can see a similar game to fermanagh last year in clones, where we displayed a lot of rustiness due to long lay off, on sunday, we will attempt to swarm and overturn lots of possession around middle third....we need to stop the long, direct and occasionally diagonal ball to down's inside line...my fear is that unlike last year, when we got out of jail due to fermanagh's own forward line deficiencies, down have the artillary to punish us....i worry about an early down goal....
the bottom line is that i feel we don't have any identity or leadership inside on our full forward line...we may be in something of a slight transition like armagh, but their structure in the most important line of the field..ie, clarke and mcdonnell...i agree with canavan, armagh are serious contenders still...with regards our expected inside line for sunday..there is a severe lack of penetration there...would they have held on own against derry's back line?? truth be told we don't have any inside forwards of mcfadden or murphy calibre that are available for sunday...although we have scoring contributions all over the field, eg: sean, enda, dooher, davyetc, all irelands are won on that bit extra class...cooper, donaghy etc...look at previous sam winners and all had outstanding full forward lines...are we realistically going to get enough scores this year??
Agree 100%.
Also agree that Hughes should probably start v Down. 12 will probably be Mellon or Penrose.
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2008, 09:21:55 AM
Agree 100%.
Also agree that Hughes should probably start v Down. 12 will probably be Mellon or Penrose.
How is he going in training ?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 04, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
I cannot understand why the Tyrone posters are being so pessimistic. After all this is a Division 1 side against a Division 3 side. That alone speaks volumes.Take a look at the current Down squad. We have a pretty poor `keeper who leaks on average 2 or 3 goals a game. A very leaky defence who conceeded some very soft scores in Division 3. Remember we were 4 points up with 5 minutes to play and still lost against a very weakened Fermanagh side. We wont even mention Leitrim. Yet 1 if not 2 of the best defenders in the county arent even on the panel??? Our half back line is totally incapable of defending. Liam Doyle has been hailed as some sort of messiah since his return from injury, but in my book he is not a centre half back. Yes he is a very talented footballer and a great free taker, but if Tyrone or anyone else for that matter play with a CHF that is willing to run straight at the Down defense they will win this game easily. Our two wing backs will also be attack minded, which is a strange decision indeed.
At midfield we have one of the best fielders of the ball in the country on his day, but we have no one there to support him. If as i looking likely Down dont use Jackie Lynch to partner Dan Gordon then Tyrone will at least break even at midfield. Lynch though slightly limited as a footballer never gives less than 100% and isnt shy to say the least. I am not going to openly criticise anyone here, but it isnt only the McCartans who get to play for Down because of their name. Also Down dont have a player like Brian Dooher who is willing to fight for every breaking ball around the middle of the field. There doesnt seem to be a 50/50 ball with this Down side, if the opposition fight for it, they get it.
It is in the forward line where the strength of this team lies. John Clarke has probably been the pick of the bunch this year. He is a great long range point taker and can also play a defence splitting pass. What was he ever doing in defence? Daniel Hughes can win games on his own, but he needs to take on the responisibility of shooting and not passing the ball when a shot is on. Ronan Sexton will run all day, but Ross seems to want to play him at CHF. He is too small for this role. Name him at 13 or 15 and let him play among the half forwards. Paul McCumiskey is probably the most exciting young player in the country a the minute, though will probably be thrown on with 25 minutes to go. I think this is still the best thing for him. And Coulter, no explantion needed here, though the rest of the team need to realise he cant win every game for them. Sometimes when Benny plays the others feel it is their duty to give the ball to Benny at all costs.
I cant see anything other than a comfortable Tyrone victory and by the looks of it the other Down posters feel the same, they are unusually quiet. Maybe its experience or maybe we have had too many knocks over the last decade, but there is no buzz in Down at the minute. I`d still love to be proved wrong though ;)
Your wan cute hoor ! ;) ;D
I find myself agreeing with 5Times. Our forwards are as good as any in the provence, however the defence is very average, the FB line is very small and leaky and we generally always loose tight games. The rumours that Colgan might be doing MF are very worrying also, I see nothing that would him merit a place even on the bench, and he couldnt even hold a regular place this year for UUJ.
Would love to see McComiskey start. There is no point putting him on in the second half as the chances are the game will be over by then. If they played a 2 man FF line with him and Benny the Tyrone backs will be bricking it. Usually when Benny plays up front the opposition use negative tactics such as doubling up, but if both these 2 played up they would at best only be able to curtail one of them.
A lot depends on the team selection, though I am not optimistic.
QuoteI am not going to openly criticise anyone here, but it isnt only the McCartans who get to play for Down because of their name.
Other than the McCartans then who are fair game in your books. Let me ask you a couple of questions 5times:
1.When was the last time Down won anything at senior level without a member of the Mc Cartan clan on the team?
2. Who would you rather have marking Brian Mc Guigan, Dan Mc Cartan or Liam Doyle?
Don't be so shy now, name those other players who are only on because of their names?
Seen on the forecast it gives rain for Sunday. hope its not as bad as the last time Down played a championship match in Omagh!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2008, 11:04:28 AM
Seen on the forecast it gives rain for Sunday. hope its not as bad as the last time Down played a championship match in Omagh!
I hope not
Can you still get parking in the bus depot or where else would be a good spot to park and ate the sambos ?
Quote from: downredblack on June 04, 2008, 11:13:56 AM
Can you still get parking in the bus depot or where else would be a good spot to park and ate the sambos ?
Given the forecasts on and off the pitch i'd suggest at the house.
A big thing that worries me is the number of people who have included Holmes in their potential team for Sunday. For me this as much as the loss of some great forwards shows us how far Tyrone have fell from grace in the last few years. No disrespect to what was a decent utility player but Holmes was not good enough to cement a starting place in his prime and I dont think he should be playing mid field for Tyrone now. To be honest I couldnt even make a stab at selecting a team there is that much uncertainty in the air. I could name a core of players who will start and the position a few will play like Jordan and Harte in the wing back roles, Dooher at RHF and Brian at 11 but after that there are 5/6 spots that could be claimed by a number of players.
Quote from: passedit on June 04, 2008, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: downredblack on June 04, 2008, 11:13:56 AM
Can you still get parking in the bus depot or where else would be a good spot to park and ate the sambos ?
Given the forecasts on and off the pitch i'd suggest at the house.
There is always hope Passedit ;)
Lads, looking at your attempts at naming the Tyrone team there, I'm very surprised at how strong the Tyrone team is looking. Yes, it is weakened without O'Neill and Mulligan but, judged on merit, there are excellent footballers in that team. The one huge worry for Mickey Harte must be the fact that he doesn't have a core spine to the team i.e. who will play full-back/midfield/full-forward. That's not to say McMahon/Hughes/C Cavanagh can't come into these positions and do an excellent job (they are more than capable), but it may take a game or two to find that out (and it might be too late then!).
Despite this, Tyrone should dispose of a Down team that struggled in Division 3. League form may mean nothing, but judging by their McKenna Cup performance, Down were taking the NFL seriously. They just seem to lack a little bite, and their defence might struggle. Coulter has the abililty to win games by himself, but he's been off-form over this past year or so, and in any case, Tyrone rarely succumb to the damage of any one individual (McComiskey could cause problems also, but he's a doubtful starter by the sounds of it).
Lads I go away for a few days holiday & ye all become very negative.
Is it just lets try to play DOWN any expectancy in case we land on our arses or are ye genuinley concerned about Down.
Ever since a wedding I attended in March, I picked up from Down fans in the know, they really are at an all time low regarding their teams expectaions.
Like so many counties who have had great minor and U-21 teams they feel they never make it to senior level.
Of course if Down get off to a good start or even see that Tyrone are nothing special then this will give them heart and belief like the 1st match in 2003 final
But if we can build up a good lead I think they're heads will go down and many will be thinking of summer in the US or further afield.
In 2003 especially Tyrone blew teams away in the 1st 10 mins before they could even get going and so we had them beaten mentally before half time.
Nowadays teams get great Harte to see us struggling to get scores and so in turn lift them to play better.
Fair enuf we're far from the glory days of Canavan, O'Neill and in form Mugsy who scored every thing he touched including fisted over head points in Croker.
But we still won Ulster last year without a lot of players like McGuigan and with O'Neill injured most of the time and Mulgrew much the same as he is this year.
We may have struggled in the league against some teams but we certainly held our own v Galway and Kerry away which is what we did in 2003 & 2005.
I think we're strong in half back line and half forward line and I think if we have big Sean at FF rather than MF it will totally change how we have struggled to play the last year.
Lets face it Sean has been a marked man now for some time and yes his strengths are fielding, running and score taking. He has been known to take the odd dive or at least fall easily as some would say and so I think refs are a little slower now to protect him and let a lot of things go. Lets face it he's not gonna control MF that much and it's more his driving runs that we could miss if he was at FF
However the "Pay Paul" part I think is much more worth it, as scores and especially goals, win matches and so we can go from
Having lots of possession from Half back, pass it into a small uninspiring FF line which will probably come back out again or
We can hit more hopeful balls into big Sean the odd time and watch him create havoc and create loads for McCullagh and maybe Penrose who can feed off him or the inrushing half forward line or wing backs.
I think we've all been a wee bit awkward like Harte and have been reluctant to copy Kerry with the Big man FF but MY, has it worked well.
Gooch and MF Russell or whoever were being easily contained (Well maybe not Gooch) until Star was brought in. People say yeah but its not just about being a big tall guy but I think people would say Sean is a much better footballer than Donaghy is. I think playing Sean at FF for the whole year could really bring the other forwards into it much more and offer them much more scoring chances with Sean's off-loads. There's nothing more frustrating to watch for defenders that soak up loads of pressure, win the ball back and then have no forwards to kick it to.
Sure if we're struggling to get the ball into FF then grand do a Marty McGrath and take him out for a while but its been evident since Stevie O'Neill has been out of that team that we lack physical ball winner who can catch it, take a man on and score goals. Mugsy plays much better when he's not the Main ball winner and so can you imagine have a MF & Forward line like.
McConnell
Ricey
Joey
PJ Quinn (or any of the other 5 that are on form)
Harte (or any of the other 5 that are on form)
Block
Jordan
Justy
McGinley
Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Mulgrew
Mugsy
Sean
Tommy McGuigan
I think Sundays FF line will be
McCullagh
Sean
Penrose
I think we'll win reasonably confortable on Sunday cos Down have gone backwards since 2005 and we've got McGuigan, Dooher and hopefully a a good target man at FF and we stop playing our predictable smothering running everything from half back type of game and this is what Harte was hinting at.
Fuzz
Setting himself up for wan hell of a fall yet again
It is very hard to fathom why our county is so quiet about this game on Sunday. From what I hear tickets arent even in great demand. Hardly anyone is talking about the match.
If I was Ross and knowing whats available to him, Id like to see this starting XV take to the field:
1. B.McVeigh
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2. L.Howard
3. M.Cole
4. D.Rafferty
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5. P.Murphy
6. L.Doyle
7. A.Carr
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8. J.Lynch
9. D.Gordon
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10. R.Sexton
11. D.Hughes
12. R.Murtagh
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13. J.Clarke
14. B.Coulter
15. P.McComiskey
What about that lad Connor Gribben who came on in the McKenna cup final and scored a goal he hasnt played a single minute since is he any use at all.
Is yer man Rodgers not in the team any more?
Was he Ambrose Rodgers son?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 04, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
Lads I go away for a few days holiday & ye all become very negative.
Is it just lets try to play DOWN any expectancy in case we land on our arses or are ye genuinley concerned about Down.
Ever since a wedding I attended in March, I picked up from Down fans in the know, they really are at an all time low regarding their teams expectaions.
Like so many counties who have had great minor and U-21 teams they feel they never make it to senior level.
Of course if Down get off to a good start or even see that Tyrone are nothing special then this will give them heart and belief like the 1st match in 2003 final
But if we can build up a good lead I think they're heads will go down and many will be thinking of summer in the US or further afield.
In 2003 especially Tyrone blew teams away in the 1st 10 mins before they could even get going and so we had them beaten mentally before half time.
Nowadays teams get great Harte to see us struggling to get scores and so in turn lift them to play better.
Fair enuf we're far from the glory days of Canavan, O'Neill and in form Mugsy who scored every thing he touched including fisted over head points in Croker.
But we still won Ulster last year without a lot of players like McGuigan and with O'Neill injured most of the time and Mulgrew much the same as he is this year.
We may have struggled in the league against some teams but we certainly held our own v Galway and Kerry away which is what we did in 2003 & 2005.
I think we're strong in half back line and half forward line and I think if we have big Sean at FF rather than MF it will totally change how we have struggled to play the last year.
Lets face it Sean has been a marked man now for some time and yes his strengths are fielding, running and score taking. He has been known to take the odd dive or at least fall easily as some would say and so I think refs are a little slower now to protect him and let a lot of things go. Lets face it he's not gonna control MF that much and it's more his driving runs that we could miss if he was at FF
However the "Pay Paul" part I think is much more worth it, as scores and especially goals, win matches and so we can go from
Having lots of possession from Half back, pass it into a small uninspiring FF line which will probably come back out again or
We can hit more hopeful balls into big Sean the odd time and watch him create havoc and create loads for McCullagh and maybe Penrose who can feed off him or the inrushing half forward line or wing backs.
I think we've all been a wee bit awkward like Harte and have been reluctant to copy Kerry with the Big man FF but MY, has it worked well.
Gooch and MF Russell or whoever were being easily contained (Well maybe not Gooch) until Star was brought in. People say yeah but its not just about being a big tall guy but I think people would say Sean is a much better footballer than Donaghy is. I think playing Sean at FF for the whole year could really bring the other forwards into it much more and offer them much more scoring chances with Sean's off-loads. There's nothing more frustrating to watch for defenders that soak up loads of pressure, win the ball back and then have no forwards to kick it to.
Sure if we're struggling to get the ball into FF then grand do a Marty McGrath and take him out for a while but its been evident since Stevie O'Neill has been out of that team that we lack physical ball winner who can catch it, take a man on and score goals. Mugsy plays much better when he's not the Main ball winner and so can you imagine have a MF & Forward line like.
McConnell
Ricey
Joey
PJ Quinn (or any of the other 5 that are on form)
Harte (or any of the other 5 that are on form)
Block
Jordan
Justy
McGinley
Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Mulgrew
Mugsy
Sean
Tommy McGuigan
I think Sundays FF line will be
McCullagh
Sean
Penrose
I think we'll win reasonably confortable on Sunday cos Down have gone backwards since 2005 and we've got McGuigan, Dooher and hopefully a a good target man at FF and we stop playing our predictable smothering running everything from half back type of game and this is what Harte was hinting at.
Fuzz
Setting himself up for wan hell of a fall yet again
The ODD DIVE????? Rumour has it the Irish swimming squad are looking him for the Olympics
Conor Gribben is an excellent club player and would be handy enough at county level but he would probably be our 8th or 9th pick when it comes to selection in regards to placing him in the forward line.
As for Ambrose Rodgers. I remain to be convinced. He is a great ball carrier but his distribution is suspect. I would also put in to question his teamwork. He tries to do far too much himself and I dont think that he would complement our attacking style.
Lads I know I'm pushing my luck now as it was me who typed the big long Post but does anyone else agree that the quote thingy is a pain in the arse
Especially when I'm up at 3am feeding the Wean reading the site on my Phone and its takes 2 mins to scroll down what was already said.
Would be much better if people just cut and pasted the wee bit they are referring too perhaps
Yeah some chance Fuzz!!!
Is there rain forecast for Sunday. Looks like we're on the terraces
DJ is back , be afraid be very afraid . :D
Last so it is 2pm or 3.45?
3.45pm according to the Tyrone website. Minor at 2pm.
DJ is back??? I thought it was Ross who was appealing his suspension?
Watch out refs, linesmen, umpires, 4th officials, Tyrone mangement, Tyrone subs, Tyrone supporters and Down supporters. No one is safe! ;)
Ban runs out Saturday , stroke of luck that isn't it :o
Anyone know why throw-in time was changed yet?
I see Ross Carr giving off about the change of time in today's Irish News - they had all their preparations made for a 2pm kick off and he was none too pleased about it.
I really don't understand why the times were changed at all.
Quote from: orangeman on June 04, 2008, 01:42:57 PM
I see Ross Carr giving off about the change of time in today's Irish News - they had all their preparations made for a 2pm kick off and he was none too pleased about it.
I really don't understand why the times were changed at all.
I know it's Down (big into Rugby etc), but seriously orangeman :P
Look on the bright side, the new throw in time will allow the Down kit van to make it on time !
Quote from: Bensars on June 04, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
Look on the bright side, the new throw in time will allow the Down kit van to make it on time !
That depends what's in the tank ! ;) ;) ;)
Sorry about that slip !
QuoteAnyone know why throw-in time was changed yet?
A fella said to me last night the time change was to enable RTE to show the game live. He is a notorious liar right enough so that is probably a load of shite!
Quote from: No1 on June 04, 2008, 04:42:26 PM
QuoteAnyone know why throw-in time was changed yet?
A fella said to me last night the time change was to enable RTE to show the game live. He is a notorious liar right enough so that is probably a load of shite!
He's even more notorious now ! ;) ;)
I just noticed the Ref is a Derry man for Sunday.
Does anyone know him
I was reading an article in the Irish Indo from that gobshite Breheny about Tohills jibe at southern Refs
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tohills-ulster-partitition-party-in-referee-crusade-1397364.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tohills-ulster-partitition-party-in-referee-crusade-1397364.html)
He then goes on to say
A similar issue regarding referees was raised by Colm Coyle who queried why a Laois referee was in charge of Meath v Wexford when the winners were due to play Laois.
It's a good point. However fair a referee may be, questions arise when his native county are due to play the winners, so surely it is in everybody's interest to apply the rota more carefully.
If yer were a Derry Ref would you be giving Tyrone 50/50 decisions, especially if they are favourites
Maybe I'm guilty of Mourninho/Ferguson tactics of pre-judging the ref to influence him but I must say it will be something I'll now be looking out for on Sunday to whinge about. :D
"Tohill also referred to an incident involving Fergal Doherty as being "at the lower end of what you might call a strike." An interesting description, but then I do have sympathy with Tohill as it would have been very difficult for him to come down hard on a former colleague."
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 04, 2008, 05:52:32 PM
I just noticed the Ref is a Derry man for Sunday.
Does anyone know him
The minor ref is from Derry, the senior ref is David Coldrick from Meath.
Anyone getting on Down at 10/3 then??
Quote from: Rois on June 04, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 04, 2008, 05:52:32 PM
I just noticed the Ref is a Derry man for Sunday.
Does anyone know him
He did the AlIF last year if memory servees me right. Very fussy
The minor ref is from Derry, the senior ref is David Coldrick from Meath.
Eastwoods have them at 7/2. Put a grand on them.
Quote from: loughshore lad on June 04, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
A big thing that worries me is the number of people who have included Holmes in their potential team for Sunday. For me this as much as the loss of some great forwards shows us how far Tyrone have fell from grace in the last few years. No disrespect to what was a decent utility player but Holmes was not good enough to cement a starting place in his prime and I dont think he should be playing mid field for Tyrone now. To be honest I couldnt even make a stab at selecting a team there is that much uncertainty in the air. I could name a core of players who will start and the position a few will play like Jordan and Harte in the wing back roles, Dooher at RHF and Brian at 11 but after that there are 5/6 spots that could be claimed by a number of players.
I think your being very harsh on Holmes. He wasnt far away from the 05 team and in fact worked his way back from injuries to play most of the second half in both the All Ireland semi and final. Not only did he play but he played well. He's a capable player who can still do a good job round middle. He wont do anything exceptional but he'll put in the hard yards and help out the defence and wont be dominated in the air. I think the McMahons will put him under pressure for his place though. My big hope for this year is that Cavanagh can add a new dimension to the forward line that we havent had since 05' if played there.
From what I can gather, it may be looking like a Hughes/Cavanagh partnership. Sort-of comforting to see the original formation around the field taking shape. I wonder is Gourley in the frame.
Here was the teams named in 2005:
Tyrone and Down announce line-ups
Mark Harte is troubled by a leg infection
Team line-ups for Sunday's Ulster SFC match at Healy Park, Omagh (1530BST).
TYRONE: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C Lawn, S Sweeney; C Gormley, G Devlin, P Jordan; C Holmes, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, M Penrose, R Mellon; O Mulligan, S O'Neill, E McGinley.
DOWN: B McVeigh; M Cole, A Scullion, G Barry; B Grant, A O'Prey, D Rafferty; A Molloy, D Gordon; L Doyle, A Rodgers, J Clarke; D Hughes, B Coulter, R Murtagh.
If I remember right Peter Donnelly actually came in as a late replacement in the half forward line for Dooher or Mellon. I dont think we're much weaker now than we were entering that game, though back then we still had Canavan/McGuigan to come in.
Since noone's that confident, then a draw is available at 8/1. We haven't had one yet and the stats say we are due one.
Quote from: Rois on June 04, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
The minor ref is from Derry, the senior ref is David Coldrick from Meath.
:o
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 04, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
I cannot understand why the Tyrone posters are being so pessimistic. After all this is a Division 1 side against a Division 3 side. That alone speaks volumes....
Exactly! Just like Monaghan showed Fermanagh, eh? Nice try lads ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 04, 2008, 07:08:15 PM
I think your being very harsh on Holmes. He wasnt far away from the 05 team and in fact worked his way back from injuries to play most of the second half in both the All Ireland semi and final. Not only did he play but he played well. He's a capable player who can still do a good job round middle. He wont do anything exceptional but he'll put in the hard yards and help out the defence and wont be dominated in the air. I think the McMahons will put him under pressure for his place though. My big hope for this year is that Cavanagh can add a new dimension to the forward line that we havent had since 05' if played there.
Agree with you TD, and I thought he a decent enough League.
5iveTimes, the 1983 league winning team included John McCartan, who would be a cousin of James and all the rest. I don't think Down have ever won a national title without a member of the extended McCartan family playing. Dan is unlikely to start on Sunday, but, as he showed in the Sigerson final last year, he will always give 100 per cent. I hope Ross shows some confidence and names his team on Thursday. I also hope it stays dry in Omagh. Our last championship win there, ten years ago this year, was a beautiful day in every sense. I also seem to remember that Ross was the MoM, so maybe that will be an omen.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
I also hope it stays dry in Omagh. Our last championship win there, ten years ago this year, was a beautiful day in every sense. I also seem to remember that Ross was the MoM, so maybe that will be an omen.
Was that in Omagh? Could've sworn twas Clones. I remember Peter missed that game after he had his jaw broken in the famous friendly shower game!!
The 98 game was definitely in Omagh, O'Neill. You had beaten us at Clones in 96 and 97 (after a replay), and in my totally unbiased opinion we were very unlucky not to win at least one of those matches. In 1998, our defence was struggling almost as much as it is now and I think Tyrone got two goals in the first five minutes. However, we kept our nerve and Ross started hitting points from all angles. Shane Mulholland made a brilliant championship debut for us that day, but unfortunately his county career was a fairly short one. Canavan was back the following year at Casement (another sunny day), and we hammered Tyrone. You can probably appreciate why most Down fans wish the 90s had never ended.
It was in Omagh alright. Think Eoin Gormley got a goal. Homes made his 1st championship start I think at corner back, though Im not sure as he would have been in the panel a year or 2 before that. There was also a shock selection at half back day, I trhink it was Terry McKenna coming out of nowhere to start.
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2008, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
I also hope it stays dry in Omagh. Our last championship win there, ten years ago this year, was a beautiful day in every sense. I also seem to remember that Ross was the MoM, so maybe that will be an omen.
Was that in Omagh? Could've sworn twas Clones. I remember Peter missed that game after he had his jaw broken in the famous friendly shower game!!
It was indeed in Omagh and it was the year Canavan missed the game with the broken jaw and it was a cracking sunny day. It was also the Mickey played Brian McGuigan at Centre Half BACK for the Minors and they where brutal for the first 20 mins before mounting a comeback to draw the game and subsequently went on to win the All Ireland at a canter
I remember that 98 game well. Tyrone were on their knees somewhat at that point, the 95 and 96 seasons (even 97 to an extent, stumbling past Armagh and Down then taking a hammering from Derry) took a lot out of that group of players and on top of that the 98 team was decimated by injury when the championship came around. It finished 0-15 to 2-7 I think but Down shouldve won by more. 99 was a more upsetting defeat because Tyrone looked to have regrouped a bit and had the best of the mid nineties team plus the first graduates of the 97/98 minor teams breaking through. Tyrone ripped into Down and I think were as far ahead as 0-9 to 0-3 at one point. Down closed it though and then turned in a superb second half display. Down were great that day but unfortunately didnt get near the same level of performance in the final.
This Sunday could go either way IMO. Losing Mugsy and Tommy (probably by all accounts) is a big blow because full forward line apart the team looks more settled than it has since 2005. Getting enough scores will be the problem.
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 04, 2008, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2008, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
I also hope it stays dry in Omagh. Our last championship win there, ten years ago this year, was a beautiful day in every sense. I also seem to remember that Ross was the MoM, so maybe that will be an omen.
Was that in Omagh? Could've sworn twas Clones. I remember Peter missed that game after he had his jaw broken in the famous friendly shower game!!
It was indeed in Omagh and it was the year Canavan missed the game with the broken jaw and it was a cracking sunny day. It was also the Mickey played Brian McGuigan at Centre Half BACK for the Minors and they where brutal for the first 20 mins before mounting a comeback to draw the game and subsequently went on to win the All Ireland at a canter
How did he do at no. 6 ?
I actually think McGuigan would be a great centre half back, if we persist with the sweeper system aka Gavin Devlin, i feel he could play that role and would excel in that role as he has great ability to distribute the ball and use possession....in some cases over the last few years particularly in 05, when gavin devlin was playing, he almost played like a second no.6, often positioning himself as a sweeper from deep and instigating attacks...it's an interesting role, that with the right system and players, could be looked at further i feel
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 04, 2008, 11:29:23 PM
I actually think McGuigan would be a great centre half back, if we persist with the sweeper system aka Gavin Devlin, i feel he could play that role and would excel in that role as he has great ability to distribute the ball and use possession....in some cases over the last few years particularly in 05, when gavin devlin was playing, he almost played like a second no.6, often positioning himself as a sweeper from deep and instigating attacks...it's an interesting role, that with the right system and players, could be looked at further i feel
That is similar to the role that Liam Doyle is currently doing for Down. However it leaves his defensive responsibilities exposed
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 04, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 04, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
I cannot understand why the Tyrone posters are being so pessimistic. After all this is a Division 1 side against a Division 3 side. That alone speaks volumes....
Exactly! Just like Monaghan showed Fermanagh, eh? Nice try lads ;)
Nice try yourself ;D . Monaghan and Fermanagh are now both Division 2 teams, while Tyrone and Down are still Div 1 and Div 3 respectively :-\
Quote from: orangeman on June 04, 2008, 10:58:12 PM
How did he do at no. 6 ?
It wasn't his finest 15 minutes, he was far too loose. The other 45 when he went back to CHF where the reason Tyrone got out of jail that day. I think the logic of it was the reason that TWIMC was making in that he could control the game from CHB, it didn't go exactly to plan but in the grand scheme of things it didn't really matter
It would do the heart good to see the two Brians playing somewhere near their best sooner rather than later. McGuigan can bring out the best in others, as long they're on the same wavelength.
Twas interesting reading Dooher's interview earlier in the week. He twice mentioned that he wondered for a fleeting moment why he was putting in all this effort at all during his comeback, as in what was it all for. After 4 Ulsters, 2 Sams and 2 Leagues over 12 years you'd have forgiven him for calling it a day. Says something for the man, and this panel, that he thinks it's worth that one last effort.
Some interesting memories, some of them hazy enough to me, as some of the games played during my student days. On the 99 game, Cushs last Tyrone jersey, he didnt shine that day but got 8 and MOM the week before V Fermanagh. Tyrone should have won that game and should have taken Ulster that year - they had a great mix of exuberant youth and experience - McAnallan, O Neill, Mc Gurk and Gourley/ Cush Canavan/ Cavlan / Lawn. Remember Mc Cartan in an Ulster rugby top on the sideline on crutches, I remember an old mate Alan Molloy and the great Cormac lacing each other in a youthful but very physical midfield battle. Poor Paul Mc Gurk was hung out to dry on the maestro himself Mickey Linden and Tyrone simply collapsed from a winning position as they did so many times in the pre Mickey Harte era. Was on the way to Turkey after the game and got half the face burnt to a cinder... ran about Turkey like a Tyrone flag with creme on one side of the face for the week - how the women flocked!
As for the 98 game. Eoin Gormley and Brian Mc Guckin from memory played that day. It was a depressing year for Tyrone football and the county in general the year a very youthful Doanghmore side shocked the county and put Ulster finalists errigal to the sword in the O Neill Cup first round, defeating Drmore in Omagh but were defeated by a pumped up Omagh team in a semi final refixture just 4 weeks after the Omagh bomb. Ardboe came in under the radar abnd messrs Mc Guigan(2) Devlin, Coleman at a very young age and old Devlin (Fay) won their one and only county medals. Remember the mad Benny Hurl on Mc Bride in the final. How many county medals did he finish with?
Quote from: rrhf on June 05, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
Some interesting memories, some of them hazy enough to me, as some of the games played during my student days. On the 99 game, Cushs last Tyrone jersey, he didnt shine that day but got 8 and MOM the week before V Fermanagh. Tyrone should have won that game and should have taken Ulster that year - they had a great mix of exuberant youth and experience - McAnallan, O Neill, Mc Gurk and Gourley/ Cush Canavan/ Cavlan / Lawn. Remember Mc Cartan in an Ulster rugby top on the sideline on crutches, I remember an old mate Alan Molloy and the great Cormac lacing each other in a youthful but very physical midfield battle. Poor Paul Mc Gurk was hung out to dry on the maestro himself Mickey Linden and Tyrone simply collapsed from a winning position as they did so many times in the pre Mickey Harte era. Was on the way to Turkey after the game and got half the face burnt to a cinder... ran about Turkey like a Tyrone flag with creme on one side of the face for the week - how the women flocked!
As for the 98 game. Eoin Gormley and Brian Mc Guckin from memory played that day. It was a depressing year for Tyrone football and the county in general the year a very youthful Doanghmore side shocked the county and put Ulster finalists errigal to the sword in the O Neill Cup first round, defeating Drmore in Omagh but were defeated by a pumped up Omagh team in a semi final refixture just 4 weeks after the Omagh bomb. Ardboe came in under the radar abnd messrs Mc Guigan(2) Devlin, Coleman at a very young age and old Devlin (Fay) won their one and only county medals. Remember the mad Benny Hurl on Mc Bride in the final. How many county medals did he finish with?
I applaud your memory !
Quote from: rrhf on June 05, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
It was a depressing year for Tyrone football and the county in general the year a very youthful Doanghmore side shocked the county and put Ulster finalists errigal to the sword in the O Neill Cup first round, defeating Drmore in Omagh but were defeated by a pumped up Omagh team in a semi final refixture just 4 weeks after the Omagh bomb. Ardboe came in under the radar abnd messrs Mc Guigan(2) Devlin, Coleman at a very young age and old Devlin (Fay) won their one and only county medals. Remember the mad Benny Hurl on Mc Bride in the final. How many county medals did he finish with?
98 was the last vintage year for football in Tyrone when the O'Neill cup resided on the loughshore ;)
Contrary to popular belief McBride actually injured himself in the final, Benny wasn't that close to him when it happened although I would say that was not for the lack of trying on Benny's part ;D :D ;). I reckon Benny must have 3 county medals.
Where did you read that interview with Dooher O'Neill
Any chance you can post it?
Why are you so anti big Sean at FF even if he's totally injury free.
Do you not think the forwards need him more than MF?
At least the half backs and half forwards can get breaking ball and just kick it into him
I think teams are wise to him running at them now even if they do just hawl him down
just heard benny coulter suffered a broken wrist last night in training,
huge blow for down's chances
Maybe he was in Kerry breaking up the row between the Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan ;) ;) ;)
A row in the Kerry camp and the Gooch with a broken nose, now Coulter with a broken wrist and you with only 5 posts.... WUM ::)
It was only a matter of time.....................The school holidays must have already started.
schoooolllllllssssssssssssss outtttt forrrr summmmmmmmmeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
What was he doing at the time he broke his wrist?
Was it from reading the article last month called
"Tyrone Red Hand Relief"
BTW Cool UserName useername
What's the origin? Hebrew?
i do believe he was watching channel 911
its aramaic, but your not far off
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Where did you read that interview with Dooher O'Neill
Any chance you can post it?
Is this the same interview?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7434381.stm
USEERNAME DOWN WERENT TRAINING LAST NIGHT
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Why are you so anti big Sean at FF even if he's totally injury free.
Do you not think the forwards need him more than MF?
Sean needs to be central to the action. His impact goes beyond driving from midfield. Last year you'd have seen him mucking out at corner back and within a couple of minutes setting up a goal chance. His importance to this team is undervalued by some. Just because teams target him now, as they have done so from 2004, doesn't mean to say you lump him on the edge of the square. Also, he isn't exactly lightening quick, nor is he a wonderful finisher. Star Donaghy has those attributes that a finisher needs - spacial awareness and potent finisher. Many of Sean's scores come from runs from distance, building up a head of steam - his goal against Meath, the majority of his points. His party piece is the shimmy that seems unplayable, a dummy that usually precedes a 30m run. Without Sean driving or offering the prospect of that, from midfield, we have a plethora of predictable middle-sector players with nothing else to offer beyond honest hard graft, albeit good footballers. We have finishers of Sean's size and stature on the team. It's just that we don't play a system that calls for the long ball into the FF. If we do adopt that tactic, place someone there who has been playing that position all along and has the attributes of a finisher.
In short, if we take Sean Cavanagh out of the midfield area we are weakening the side. The only reason to do that is if he's carrying a knock that'll affect his mobility.
Spot on O'Neill about Cavanagh. You play to your strengths and Cavanaghs strengths are not as a full forward. He doesnt have the sharpness and awareness to be any where near as effective in there as he does running from deep. The number of posters on here who think everyone should jump on the big full forward bandwagon really puzzles me. Yes Kieran Donaghy has done amazingly well in full forward but there are not too many Donaghys about. His mobility, speed of thought and movement contribute much more to his effectiveness than the fact he is a big man, thats what sets him apart from everyone else. How many big men have we seen down the years lumped into full forward and it not worked? The return of McGuigan will help Cavanagh no end, he will be open for passes from Cavanagh and be looking to find Cavanagh when he goes on one of theose marauding runs of his from deep. I will be very surprised to see MH play him in full forward on Sunday.
Tyrone Team for Sunday. I heard it from a good source!!!
1. P McConnell
2. R McMenamin
3. J McMahon
4. D McCaul
5. D. Harte
6. C. Gormley
7. P. Jordan
8. E. McGinley
9. C. Holmes
10. B. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. S. Cavanagh
13. M. Penrose
14. C. Cavanagh
15. C. McCullagh.
We will see how good my source is now. He is normally never to far away!
I'd say that will not be far away from the lineup alright
I think Penrose will make the forward line and think Joey will be FB
Interesting analysis about Big Sean and I suppose I do mainly agree with what you're saying
However having been at few games our FF line has been very light weight and not able to win their own ball.
Even with Mugsy more often that not he is outmuscled out of it.
Donaghy used to play MF for Kerry and at first he looked very mechanical and his passing and shooting was terrible.
He only appeared to be there to field in the middle of the park and had good handling skills from his basketball background.
Maybe I'm unfair to him but I don't think he's that fast or skillful and if you look at most of his scores it's mainly a GOOD high ball into him where he outfields his man, take 1 step and then BANG. Are you saying Sean is not a better footballer than that.
Sean is no slouch and I think with him nearer the goals and with McGuigan finding him with passes we could see Sean's getting much more scores than he ALREADY manages most games.
My main worry for this year is that our FF line will let us down for getting the ball into their hands although if Tommy is back fit maybe he can play this role.
Quote from: amigo on June 05, 2008, 02:59:25 PM
Tyrone Team for Sunday. I heard it from a good source!!!
1. P McConnell
2. R McMenamin
3. J McMahon
4. D McCaul
5. D. Harte
6. C. Gormley
7. P. Jordan
8. E. McGinley
9. C. Holmes
10. B. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. S. Cavanagh
13. M. Penrose
14. C. Cavanagh
15. C. McCullagh.
I'd be happy enough with that.
Superb selection from Harte. He knows the Down midfield will be cleaned out no matter who he plays there, Doyle will be totally pre-occupied with McGuigan - and Dooher and Cavanagh will take the Down wings to the cleaners with constant running and pysicality.
Place your bets now for a landslide.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 03, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
Getting very excited for this game here now, the months of speculation wont matter on Sunday - unless we get beaten, then I suppose we will all be back here knowing when and where it went wrong.
you all better be back here explaining what went right and wrong as I am not going to get see the game :( :( :(
Pity me :(
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Why are you so anti big Sean at FF even if he's totally injury free.
Do you not think the forwards need him more than MF?
Sean needs to be central to the action. His impact goes beyond driving from midfield. Last year you'd have seen him mucking out at corner back and within a couple of minutes setting up a goal chance. His importance to this team is undervalued by some. Just because teams target him now, as they have done so from 2004, doesn't mean to say you lump him on the edge of the square. Also, he isn't exactly lightening quick, nor is he a wonderful finisher. Star Donaghy has those attributes that a finisher needs - spacial awareness and potent finisher. Many of Sean's scores come from runs from distance, building up a head of steam - his goal against Meath, the majority of his points. His party piece is the shimmy that seems unplayable, a dummy that usually precedes a 30m run. Without Sean driving or offering the prospect of that, from midfield, we have a plethora of predictable middle-sector players with nothing else to offer beyond honest hard graft, albeit good footballers. We have finishers of Sean's size and stature on the team. It's just that we don't play a system that calls for the long ball into the FF. If we do adopt that tactic, place someone there who has been playing that position all along and has the attributes of a finisher.
In short, if we take Sean Cavanagh out of the midfield area we are weakening the side. The only reason to do that is if he's carrying a knock that'll affect his mobility.
Think your underestimating his ability to play full forward. He is quick and physically strong which should allow him to get out in front of most full backs. He's also got decent feet and I really think he could mature into a top class full forward. Not many teams win an all ireland without a top class player in the full forward line. I also think most people are calling for him to play full forward because of the loss of Canavan and O'Neill and not because Donaghy has did well for Kerry. Would actually imagine Cavanagh has better feet than Donaghy and would be a different type of full forward to him as he wouldnt be looking high balls kicked in all the time.
A buckin pervert if you ask me.
Quote from: western exile on June 04, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
Nice try yourself ;D . Monaghan and Fermanagh are now both Division 2 teams, while Tyrone and Down are still Div 1 and Div 3 respectively :-\
Not so much where you're going to, more where you're coming from (how may games had Fermanagh played in Division 2
before the Monaghan game?). Nicer try yourself :P ;)
Quote from: amigo on June 05, 2008, 02:59:25 PM
Tyrone Team for Sunday. I heard it from a good source!!!
1. P McConnell
2. R McMenamin
3. J McMahon
4. D McCaul
5. D. Harte
6. C. Gormley
7. P. Jordan
8. E. McGinley
9. C. Holmes
10. B. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. S. Cavanagh
13. M. Penrose
14. C. Cavanagh
15. C. McCullagh.
We will see how good my source is now. He is normally never to far away!
I'd be happy with this too, if that's what transpires shortly. I feel that this game will swing on our half-forward line, and if those three are anything like on song we're in with a decent shout. Great to see Brian Mc Guigan back in his command-centre.
Lads, I'm hearing a lot of conflicting reports about whether this game is live on the web. Lookin at rte.ie, it definitely looks like it is. Anyone know for sure?
If it not, I have to switch off the phone and radio go and hide away for 3 hours til it broadcasts on BBC2.
I know, I know................. I'm a sad fcuker :-\
Quote from: jodyb on June 05, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Lads, I'm hearing a lot of conflicting reports about whether this game is live on the web. Lookin at rte.ie, it definitely looks like it is. Anyone know for sure?
If it not, I have to switch off the phone and radio go and hide away for 3 hours til it broadcasts on BBC2.
I know, I know................. I'm a sad fcuker :-\
It can be done, punter with us last week had a four timer on the go, first three up was waiting on meath -3, he avoided the scores until watching the sunday game, told me he couldn't believe it at half time, was counting up the bet an all!!
:D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 05, 2008, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: jodyb on June 05, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Lads, I'm hearing a lot of conflicting reports about whether this game is live on the web. Lookin at rte.ie, it definitely looks like it is. Anyone know for sure?
If it not, I have to switch off the phone and radio go and hide away for 3 hours til it broadcasts on BBC2.
I know, I know................. I'm a sad fcuker :-\
It can be done, punter with us last week had a four timer on the go, first three up was waiting on meath -3, he avoided the scores until watching the sunday game, told me he couldn't believe it at half time, was counting up the bet an all!!
:D
Sore one :(
Click on the schedule down the right hand side. It quotes 100 mins long starting at 15.58. Has to be the full broadcast surely? :-\
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/
It also says "Live WEB-ONLY coverage from Omagh of the Ulster SFC Quarter-Final meeting of Tyrone and Down. Commentary from Ger Canning." which suggests its live! They had Antrim v. Cavan in the same way a few weeks back. Unfortunately Ive not been able to get the live games online so far this summer, the picture freezes after a few seconds and doesnt re-connect...would anybody know how to get round that. Was able to watch them all fine last year.
Confirmed:
Tyrone (v Down): P McConnell; R McMenamin, J McMahon, D McCaul; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, E McGinley; M Penrose, C Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Well done amigo ;) though Mc Ginley's swapped with S Cav - won't matter too much in the general mix.
I got 14 out of 15 (and a fit Mulgrew might well have started) and I didnt have a source....must be on the same wavelength as Mr Harte ;D. Its a decent looking team and if we can get past this game and then add Mugsy and Tommy then there is the makings of a good side for the summer.
Any word on the bench? Well done Amigo - a reliable source!
So:
Ricey-Joe-McCaul
Ryan sort-of needs to prove himself all over again at corner back. Is Joe fully fit and can he handle Coulter? McCaul is highly thought of. I'd have preferred an old hand in McGee or Carlin but we'll find out on Sunday. A tentative 6/10
Harte-Gormley-Jordan
10/10 for me.
Holmes-Cavanagh
8/10. Has Holmes improved or is he the best of what's left?
Dooher-McGuigan-McGinley
How fit is Dooher? Apart from that 8/10
Penrose-Cavanagh-McCullagh
Much to prove here but hoping for Colm Cav to make the big break through. Penrose must be going well. 7/10
That j mcmahon is justin mcmahon...heard joe had the news broke to him personally this afternoon
heard the down full back line is howard,murney,mccartan. if this was the case i would swap the cavanagh bro's during the game and try and take adv of murney's lack of experience at this level though did see him a few times and he did impress me
Appears that team posted by 5times above is indeed official. Comment at this stage would be superflous, suffice to say, i give up, anyone need a ticket
Quote from: Pangurban on June 05, 2008, 10:42:49 PM
Appears that team posted by 5times above is indeed official. Comment at this stage would be superflous, suffice to say, i give up, anyone need a ticket
What would you have done differently or who should have got the nod? Dont know much about Down football so would like to know...
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 05, 2008, 09:22:37 PM
That j mcmahon is justin mcmahon...heard joe had the news broke to him personally this afternoon
Could see Joe being kept for an introduction into the full forward line, if it looks like we're badly deficient there, perchance.
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
So:
Ricey-Joe-McCaul
Ryan sort-of needs to prove himself all over again at corner back. Is Joe fully fit and can he handle Coulter? McCaul is highly thought of. I'd have preferred an old hand in McGee or Carlin but we'll find out on Sunday. A tentative 6/10
Agreed (Not Joe but Justin at number 3).
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
Harte-Gormley-Jordan
10/10 for me.
Not totally in agreement, 9/10 maybe.
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
Holmes-Cavanagh
8/10. Has Holmes improved or is he the best of what's left?
I'd say Holmes has actually improved, about right.
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
Dooher-McGuigan-McGinley
How fit is Dooher? Apart from that 8/10
If Dooher's half a shadow of himself, 9/10 here.
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
Penrose-Cavanagh-McCullagh
Much to prove here but hoping for Colm Cav to make the big break through. Penrose must be going well. 7/10
QED, hoping for a bigger score, but about right I'd say (hoping that Penrose steps up and fulfils the potential that he undoubtedly has (in my opinion), and Colm Cav finds the groove (again)).
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 05, 2008, 10:26:23 PM
1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain)
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi)
4. Colm Murney (Caisleán Ruairi)
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh)
6. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)
7. Damien Rafferty (Seamrogai An Iuir)
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean)
9. Jack Lynch (Droim Gath)
10. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)
11. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain)
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall)
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht)
14. Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)
15. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)
I am happy enough with that, it is about the best combination we have. Glad to see Lynch make the midfield partnership. Sexton will play a more central roving role to pick up breaking ball to send into the 2 inside forwards.
The under 21s on the bench (Colgan, McKernan, McComiskey)
If the Down team listed above is correct, the two major omissions are Murphy and Rogers. If Murphy was match fit, he would have started. Rogers is a harder call, as he has yet to fully justify himself at county level but has by all accounts been playing well for the Stone.
While Lynch has obvious limitations, it is possible to make a case for him presenting a physical challenge for the first 45/50 minutes in Omagh and then being replaced by either Rogers or Colgan.
Fegan would be a little surprising, but he played consistently through the league, tackles back and is a fine free taker. It is debatable if he is a better bet than McKernan, but McComiskey is very likely to come on for him sooner or later.
I think Pangurban is writing us off prematurely. I could see Sexton and Fegan dropping deep, with Clarke and Hughes at half forward and Coulter and Murtagh up front. If we can keep it tight in the first half, which is a big ask, McComiskey could win it for us on a good day. It could also all go horribly wrong, but we live in hope.
I think Mickey has named as strong a line up as he had available. Had a feeling McCaul would play, he is a better option than Carlin/McGee/Quinn/Swift in my opinion - I almost got the impression that Mickey was holding him back during the league a bit like he did with Tommy last year. Wouldnt rule out Gormley going in to pick up Coulter and Ricey or Justin McMahon going to centre back. Wining will depend on our ability to keep the ball out of the net.
Great to see Dooher and particularly McGuigan back. To be honest I am not expecting miracles from either man, it will be a massive ask for either to repeat expoits of old. Regardless of how well McGuigan plays it will simply do the heart good to see him take his place at the start of play on Sunday. To come back to this level from where he was is an absolutely unbelievable achievement and such a credit to him.
Never mind teams and tactics, where is the best pre match pub? It's gonna take a few pints to be able to bear this game!
Can't remember the name of the pub up closest to the pitch but I heard it is closed, is that right?
Molly Sweeneys? Don't tell me it's closed.
Quote from: loughshore lad on June 06, 2008, 08:57:03 AM
I think Mickey has named as strong a line up as he had available. Had a feeling McCaul would play, he is a better option than Carlin/McGee/Quinn/Swift in my opinion - I almost got the impression that Mickey was holding him back during the league a bit like he did with Tommy last year. Wouldnt rule out Gormley going in to pick up Coulter and Ricey or Justin McMahon going to centre back. Wining will depend on our ability to keep the ball out of the net.
Great to see Dooher and particularly McGuigan back. To be honest I am not expecting miracles from either man, it will be a massive ask for either to repeat expoits of old. Regardless of how well McGuigan plays it will simply do the heart good to see him take his place at the start of play on Sunday. To come back to this level from where he was is an absolutely unbelievable achievement and such a credit to him.
From what I seen of Gormley in the league he had lost some of his speed! Ricey is the man for that job.
Justin's inclusion is somewhat of a surprise, given that he has just 30 mins of club football under his belt. A good footballer nonetheless who I'd like to see further out the field eventually.
16 John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
19 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
20 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
21 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
22 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
23 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
24 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
25 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
26 Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
27 Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
28 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
29 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
30 Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
Quote from: No1 on June 06, 2008, 10:11:06 AM
Never mind teams and tactics, where is the best pre match pub? It's gonna take a few pints to be able to bear this game!
Can't remember the name of the pub up closest to the pitch but I heard it is closed, is that right?
still open but its seen better days
Panic over Wobbs, maybe see yourself and 5 Sams there for a pint.
I'll be down myself but I'm not one for the drinking. I can really see Down getting the mother of all hidings in this one. I haven't seen any bettin but the handicap should be about 8. Can some one post the odds?
EC Unique Gormley was playing the whole of the national league with a niggling ankle injury. He really has been in top form and looked supremley fit for Carmen this past few games. His body language was not right in the league either.
From all accounts Dooher should be at the races too
The man is a machine and he is at his most dangerous when he thinks people are righting him off like last year v Donegal.
He was like a man possessed.
I loved the quote from a few of the other players including Block who said something like...
" I can't wait to get fit again so I can train with the proper squad and not with Dooher - He's mad"
I feel positive about Sunday again and just hope we start at 100mph and don't let any doubt seep in as that's what gets the fans uneasy which spills out onto the players.
I know we've Mulgrew, Mugsy & Tommy injured but that sub bench doesn't inspire confidence for attacking options with maybe the hope of Joey at FF though dont know how that would work.
Tyrone by 5 and yes I have a lot of Down mates just waiting to pounce on that come Monday morning
Lads, couldn't be bothered reading 25 pages, but going by the spreads comp, most people inc nearly all Tyrone heads are backing Down to win on Sunday, I was curious to know is this because youse all think that it will be a tight game and the 4.5 spread in favour of Down will be the deciding factor, or do youse think that Tyrones weakened side will get beaten by Down?
Does anyone have the Tyrone scorers from the Donegal semifinal last year?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 06, 2008, 12:07:12 PM
Lads, couldn't be bothered reading 25 pages, but going by the spreads comp, most people inc nearly all Tyrone heads are backing Down to win on Sunday, I was curious to know is this because youse all think that it will be a tight game and the 4.5 spread in favour of Down will be the deciding factor, or do youse think that Tyrones weakened side will get beaten by Down?
I think there's too mcuh being made of this. Bar Mulligan, this is about as strong a Tyrone team as we are likely to see I reckon, and should dispose of an inexperienced Down team quite comfortably.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on June 06, 2008, 11:25:52 AM
EC Unique Gormley was playing the whole of the national league with a niggling ankle injury. He really has been in top form and looked supremley fit for Carmen this past few games. His body language was not right in the league either.
OK. Did not know about injury. I knew he was off his previous pace and that explains it. Still think Ricey is the man for Coulter and Gormley would be at his most effective at Center half.. A 'supremley fit' Gormley would be wasted in full back line IMHO. :)
I don't think you realise how strong coulter is in the air ec. he doesn't rely on ace at all. he'd clean ricey out
What he said, an incredible athlete in the air.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 06, 2008, 01:49:51 PM
Does anyone have the Tyrone scorers from the Donegal semifinal last year?
B Dooher 0-5
R Mulgrew 1-1
C McCullagh 1-1
O Mulligan 0-3
S O'Neill 0-2
S Cavanagh 0-1
K Hughes 0-1
D Harte 0-1
A mate living in New York just sent me this Pic
(http://www.cng.ie/Gallery/Down%20Score.jpg)
Great Scott Fuzzman!
(http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/doc.jpg)
Maybe he was in Aus as I though NYC was behind us
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 06, 2008, 03:46:15 PM
A mate living in New York just sent me this Pic
(http://www.cng.ie/Gallery/Down%20Score.jpg)
Ken Megginis is looking awful suspicious in that photo Fuzzma. Do you think it was him that set it up?
Is that Martin McGuinness 2nd from Right and Peter Robinson under the sign?
Aye Naw that guy has more than 2 horns
Does anyone think Tyrone have a chance of winning this game
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 06, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
I reckon Tyrone will win this game quite comfortably, 7 or 8 points without really getting into top gear. It is Division 1 against Division 3 after all and we didnt set the world alight in Division 3. I think the Tyrone posters are being very cautious.
Exactly what you said in 2003 before the first game! :P
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 06, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 06, 2008, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone think Tyrone have a chance of winning this game
I reckon Tyrone will win this game quite comfortably, 7 or 8 points without really getting into top gear. It is Division 1 against Division 3 after all and we didnt set the world alight in Division 3. I think the Tyrone posters are being very cautious.
I cant figure Ross Carr out at all. He dropped Jackie Lynch for the last couple of games, but now brings him in for the first round of the Championship. Surely he should have been trying to get a settled team towards the end of the league. If he had got his team sorted out half way through the league and stopped tinkering with it, we may have got promotion and an extra game which would have meant our tails would have been up instead of everyone feeling so despondant.
You'll take some laugh at us Sunday evening if we're beat ! Cute hoors them Down men !
Have heard Colm Cavanagh is doubtful. Maybe Mellon could come in. Who will hit the scoreable free's from the left side??Sean Cav?
QuoteI reckon Tyrone will win this game quite comfortably, 7 or 8 points without really getting into top gear. It is Division 1 against Division 3 after all
3 weeks ago I'd have subscribed to that theory but given Fermanagh and Wexford's exploits I think Down have half a chance. Granted, I still think Tyrone will squeeze through but they'll have a hell of a scare for 60 minutes.
Get on the draw at 9-1.
to hell with all this pessimism from down supporters, i know we didn't go well in the league but 6/7 weeks has passed since then, the team has been going well in recent challenge games and i'm sure management has worked on our defence and tighted it up since then. its vital down win good ball in the middle of the field, with good ball into the forward line they can give tyrone their fill of it. i for one will travel to omagh with not with hope but with expectation!!
Cant believe how negative some of the Down supporters are on here. Although Down werent great in the league it means nothing come 3.45 tomorrow. With players like Doyle,Gordon,Hughes and Coulter in team you've always got a chance. If McCullagh is injured then we're in big trouble for the free's. We wouldnt have a proven freetaker in the team. I'm quite sure this is the game the Down players and management have been concentrating on this last 6 months. It has since been proven that the Fermanagh and Wexford teams that finished above Down in the league were decent teams. However, as a Tyrone supporter I'd be hopefully that we can win tomorrow. A win with Dooher and McGuigan playing well would be great.
Down went for broke in the league. Trained very hard before xmas and won the MC Kenna due to fitness...all part of giving the league a massive push. They really failed and worst still came second best in all the big games in that league. Tyrone will win, their attitude will dictate by how much!
All of Armagh, except Collie Holmes better half, is behind Down in their bid to recover lost greatness in Omagh this Sunday. As any Tyrone person will tell you, winning the McKenna cup is the precursor to great success. We hope to stand at Flagstaff and see bonfires on both sides of Narrow water as our neighbours Down and Louth celebrate.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2008, 01:33:38 PM
All of Armagh, except Collie Holmes better half, is behind Down in their bid to recover lost greatness in Omagh this Sunday. As any Tyrone person will tell you, winning the McKenna cup is the precursor to great success. We hope to stand at Flagstaff and see bonfires on both sides of Narrow water as our neighbours Down and Louth celebrate.
Agree, I'm going for Down.
Iit's always great to see the smaller teams get some sort of success, hopefully we'll see it sunday.
QuoteAll of Armagh, except Collie Holmes better half, is behind Down in their bid to recover lost greatness in Omagh this Sunday.
You obviously only a young pup who still hasnt gotten over 2005 if you really think all of Armagh is behind down. I have many relations & friends from Armagh, all of whom would probably prefer to see the price of diesel at £5 a litre before a Down win of any kind! lol
Id say both teams will play 2 up front tomorrow. I feel Sean Cavanagh and Penrose will play in the full fwd line with mc cullaugh playing off them or maybe he will play at 10 while dooher goes hoovering. Think holmes and Mc Ginley will be able to compete no problem with what Down has to offer in this sector, they did well vs mayo in the last league game and i'd have full confidence in them repeating that form tomorrow. Still think that Ross will play Ambrose, and that James Mc Govern is a big loss to the attack of Down. Tyrone by 6 and Penrose for first goal!!
Anyone from my neck of the woods would prefer down were excluded from competing. failing that lets hope their held scoreless.
Come on big seany, ricey, mugsy, jordy, mickey...
sorry if this has already been asked , couldn be bothered checking! is the match televised at any stage 2mara?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 07, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
The Irish News have summed this game up nicely. The headline on the back page reads "Mournemen have a mountain to climb"
How much did they pay the Irish news to run that sort of headline! No doubt it will be pinned to the down dressing room door! :D
QuoteYou obviously only a young pup
I wish :)
I was motivated by the Down poster who suggested that even if they slipped past Tyrone, they would be overrrun by Armagh, if we beat Cavan.
Oisin is known for his Ulster championship scoring exploits and for achieving a record score against Down, in his last year it would be nice if the had a chance to surpass these these achievements.
2004, 2005, 2006?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2008, 01:33:38 PM
All of Armagh, except Collie Holmes better half, is behind Down in their bid to recover lost greatness in Omagh this Sunday. As any Tyrone person will tell you, winning the McKenna cup is the precursor to great success. We hope to stand at Flagstaff and see bonfires on both sides of Narrow water as our neighbours Down and Louth celebrate.
Agree, I'm going for Down.
Iit's always great to see the smaller teams get some sort of success, hopefully we'll see it sunday.
Cheeky cnut :D :D
C'mon the aristocrats :)
5 times I have a chat with you after tomorrows game to see how many excuses you have for loosing this one...I'm putting my head on the block 5 times..so if you win you'll have a bit of fun.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 07, 2008, 07:51:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2008, 01:33:38 PM
All of Armagh, except Collie Holmes better half, is behind Down in their bid to recover lost greatness in Omagh this Sunday. As any Tyrone person will tell you, winning the McKenna cup is the precursor to great success. We hope to stand at Flagstaff and see bonfires on both sides of Narrow water as our neighbours Down and Louth celebrate.
Agree, I'm going for Down.
Iit's always great to see the smaller teams get some sort of success, hopefully we'll see it sunday.
Cheeky cnut :D :D
C'mon the aristocrats :)
;)
Not much point talking about all Irelands 40 years ago when you could hardly beat a good minor team now.
Ok, prediction time - I'm plumping for a draw
Tyrone 0-13
Down 2-7
I'm going for a Down win (heart over head), haven't a clue about the score but I think we will get goals (Benny x 2) . Going back over the last 5 yrs, luck as well as a lot of other things have gone against us at the wrong time and we are due a bit of the good stuff . So we travel in hope more than anything else .
Go on the Red & Black ;D
Not much point talking about all Irelands 40 years ago when you could hardly beat a good minor team now.
And that comes form the county with 1 solitary Sam 6 years ago which was surrendered to them, delivered with such charisma panache and style ( not!!) . As the saying goes class is permanent you cannot smuggle it in an Oil Tanker
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 07, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Not much point talking about all Irelands 40 years ago when you could hardly beat a good minor team now.
And that comes form the county with 1 solitary Sam 6 years ago which was surrendered to them, delivered with such charisma panache and style ( not!!) . As the saying goes class is permanent you cannot smuggle it in an Oil Tanker
Ha!
I hope that gives you comfort when you face yet another long summer.
Pints , It could be more than the Down Lads doing a bit of fishing over the summer ;D
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 07, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
Pints, we may face another long summer, but tomorrows game is really irrelevant as is next weeks encounter between Cavan and armagh. None of the 4 teams will trouble Kerry.
But no matter how bad things are for us Down men, it could always be worse, we could be like you. A sad, fat manic depressive who lives his life through the GAA Board. While some of us are sitting in tonight, preparing for tomorrow, you have nothing else in life. So shove another mars bar into your gob and settle down in front of big brother, I am sure you are glad its back on, it will give you something to talk about with your cyber friends, make sure to top up your phone so you can evict the person that really reminds you of yourself. 106 days, 7 hours and 19 minutes says it all really. Yet another weekend spent pm-ing your mates on the board, well I suppose I have really made your weekend, you can now annoy GAABoardmod3 and tell him what a bad boy I am. I am so gald I can bring a bit of excitement into what can only really be described as a bitter and twisted little persons life.
Night Night :D
*Shakes head*
Looking forward to tomorrows game . I expect Tyrone to win . They impresses me in Tralee against Kerry in that they were only at half tilt and still were only 3 behind at the end . The half forward line looks good on paper but I suppose like most teams you only will know on the day . Down need to get a good start and get a few scores on the board .Still its only the first step on the road
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
Iit's always great to see the smaller teams get some sort of success, hopefully we'll see it sunday.
A fair point and thats why so many Tyrone people were was so happy for Armagh back in 2002. Good luck to the Red Hands......
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 07, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
Pints, we may face another long summer, but tomorrows game is really irrelevant as is next weeks encounter between Cavan and armagh. None of the 4 teams will trouble Kerry.
But no matter how bad things are for us Down men, it could always be worse, we could be like you. A sad, fat manic depressive who lives his life through the GAA Board. While some of us are sitting in tonight, preparing for tomorrow, you have nothing else in life. So shove another mars bar into your gob and settle down in front of big brother, I am sure you are glad its back on, it will give you something to talk about with your cyber friends, make sure to top up your phone so you can evict the person that really reminds you of yourself. 106 days, 7 hours and 19 minutes says it all really. Yet another weekend spent pm-ing your mates on the board, well I suppose I have really made your weekend, you can now annoy GAABoardmod3 and tell him what a bad boy I am. I am so gald I can bring a bit of excitement into what can only really be described as a bitter and twisted little persons life.
Night Night
5 times, think you're a bit more bitter and twisted than most ::)
FROM A REALIBLE SOURCE- ricey will be starting the game centre half back and conor gormley will be picking up coulter
Minor Game HT
Tyrone 0-6
Down 0-8
Ross Carr allowed on the sideline for Senior Game :o
Good luck to Tyrone! Here we go again :)
Sean Cavanagh Full forward!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2008, 03:48:34 PM
Sean Cavanagh Full forward!
Was always going to happen. O'Neill will be streaking this evening.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on June 05, 2008, 07:19:45 PM
QuoteIf Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked
Cant wait to see this
:D :D
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2008, 02:47:07 PM
Minor Game HT
Tyrone 0-6
Down 0-8
Ross Carr allowed on the sideline for Senior Game :o
How the minors end up?
Tyrone 16
Down 14
Omagh and Carrickmore working together there carmen! :D
Goal !! Go on!
1-01 tyrone
no score - down.
some goal from mccullagh
Champagne football :o, wonder will Spillane quote that tonight. :D
Mc Cullagh on fire!
Cringed a bit when I heard that myself. Champagne football and the game only 10 minutes old.
::)
Quote from: Puckoon on June 08, 2008, 04:02:37 PM
Cringed a bit when I heard that myself. Champagne football and the game only 10 minutes old.
::)
With a bit of luck Tohill will bring it up to get a rise out of Spillane :P
Goal ! Sean Cavanagh!
Christ carmen you have lightenin fingers.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 08, 2008, 04:06:21 PM
Christ carmen you have lightenin fingers.
:D they have been called many things before, but never lightenin! :D
could be a big batin for Down here.
Down goal disallowed for square ball.
My God should be out of site!
Doing a fairly good job on Coulter, have we heard his name mentioned at all?
........oops
Depressing stuff. :-\
Oh my God
Justin getting decent praise on q101 here. Tyrone should be half way to gortin they have had that many goal chances.
Down hit the crossbar! :o
Dont worry, Ross is going to bring on McComiskey in the second half to win it!
Downs full back line has gone awol.
score???
this game could read like an u-12 match it it wasnt for the crossbar/keeper/referee for both sides!
Coulter!!
By the sounds of things its not just the full back line!
Coulter goal!
4 in it!
Come on down!
Game on!!
never like it when the commentators get ahead of themselves. never write off a team with benny coulter.
Full house in Healy Park?
Did they pull Sean out of the square?
McComilskey and Colgan on their way?
Ross, if your listening, get McComiskey get on as soon as possible.
Half Time - Down 1-3 Tyrone 2-4
Ambrose on for Lynch, McKernan for Fegan
Cole yellow :o
CS were you listening to it?
Q 101
Penrose point.
McComiskey on for Clarke
2 points in, scores from murphy and gordon
Jaysus :o
oh my god
GOAL Ambrose, winning by 1
Down go ahead 2-6 to 2-5. :(
sounds lik a close game...what is exact score?
Holy shit! Whats going on, Tyrone losing it in the middle!
Quote from: Puckoon on June 08, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
never like it when the commentators get ahead of themselves. never write off a team with benny coulter.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Has the half forward line gone to sleep or what? no breaking ball being picked up at all
Ambrose has made a difference, cleaning up at MF
All down subs have made a difference!
Paddy Hunter - stop saying "so to speak" after every f**king sentence!
And someone put the ball in the down net too.
Latest? It's on fivefm too not Paddy Hunter doing that
Down playing all the football.
long left??
about 7 mins
Ambrose point, 1 up, colgan warming up
draw, tyrone equalised
squeaky bum time ;D
Hughes with a point :o
Hughes point for Tyrone, Tyrone 1 up
Tyr one up....2 mins left plus..
Level....Injury time!
All over....a replay!!!
Draw, replay next week
Sounded like a fair enough result!
Two poor teams.
Both teams seemed very wasteful in front of goals!
What was the final score lads?
2-08 each
Will that replay be Saturday or Sunday? might get to it :)
Fair play to Down but they had Tyrone on the ropes there big time with about fifteen to go and could not deliver the knock-out blow.
Tyrone have serious problems at midfield. Could do with cloning Sean Cavanagh.
replay in Nerwy this sat at 1900 hrs
I'll go for another draw then.
Quote from: longball on June 08, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
replay in Nerwy this sat at 1900 hrs
Great, Thanks LB.
FFS Tryone, put the hoors in their place in the replay ffs.
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
FFS Tryone, put the hoors in their place in the replay ffs.
I'd say they will win easily - they should have been out of sight 15 minutes gone today - Down were extremely lucky and missed the boat in the end.
Humble pie time for me, diddnt give Down a chance, thought Tyrone by at least 8 :o
Seven points up early on, playing at home and still couldnt win?
Not a good sign of a team. Gone to the well too often perhaps?
Maybe like Waterford it's time to say goodbye to either the Management or a lot of the panel?
Or is it just the kick in the behind they need?
Even if the football was mostly poor, it was nice to see some old fashioned good fielding from Down pay dividends.
On that evidence, Tyrone don't look a lot different than last year.
Quote from: longball on June 08, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
replay in Nerwy this sat at 1900 hrs
Anyone know if it is on television?
To be brutally honest, the game should have been over at half time - Tyrone should have been up by at least 12 but this Tyrone team is a pale shadow of its former self and will be winning nothing this year. You can talk about how Tyrone won the AI in 2003 and 2005 after closes shaves invloving Dwon but that really isn't a fair reflection of where Tyrone are at.
Tyrone were annihilated at midfield today -the stats bear this out even allowing for their 7 point lead in the first half - no score between 22nd minute and 47th minute ??? Not good enough. Tyrone need Sean Cavanagh at midfield - he's a luxury they can't afford in Full forward.
Hats off to Down who hung in and got the breaks, the goals, the luck and everything else.
I think Tyrone will beat them in Newry - but can't see them going very far ( I hope I'm wrong ).
Some poor shot selection from Down, but they did well to get a draw. Surely Cavanagh wont stay up front all year. Dan Gordon was cleaning up in the middle. Have Tyrone not got anymore options up front.
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2008, 09:19:37 PM
Some poor shot selection from Down, but they did well to get a draw. Surely Cavanagh wont stay up front all year. Dan Gordon was cleaning up in the middle. Have Tyrone not got anymore options up front.
They have but injuries have been taking their toll - no Mulligan or Mulgrew - both injured. Tommy Mc Guigan was injured and couldn't start either.
Enda Mc Ginley was a huge loss.
Kevin Hughes has been tried a lot of times at FF but can't play it.
Tyrone and Down will replay at Pairc Esler in Newry after finishing level in a Healy Park thriller.
Down came from seven points behind to come close to sending the hot favourites crashing out of the Ulster SFC in a cliffhanger of a game.
In the end, the Mourne men needed a late equaliser from a free by substitute Paul McComiskey, but it was no more than they deserved.
Colm McCullagh blasted home Tyrone's first goal in the eighth minute, and Sean Cavanagh added another in the 17th minute.
The Down defence was ripped apart in the opening 20 minutes, as Tyrone started with a vengeance.
Sean Cavanagh, lining out at full-forward in a departure from the selected line-up, caused major problems inside, and Colm McCullagh was buzzing, ready to take up any offer of possession.
The return of Brian McGuigan and Brian Dooher had an immediate impact, and they, along with Martin Penrose, were involved in the move that finished with McCullagh smashing the ball to the roof of the net in the eighth minute.
The goalscorer swept over a couple of points, with Colm Cavanagh converting a 13-metre free, and by the 14th minute, the Red Hands were 1-03 to 0-01 ahead.
Dan Gordon added to Ronan Sexton's opening Down point, but Tyrone turned the screw again in the 17th minute when Sean Cavanagh rescued a ball from the end line and cut inside to slide the ball past Brendan McVeigh.
They could have had a couple more goals, but Penrose was denied by McVeigh and substitute Kevin Hughes smashed a shot into the crossbar.
But the loss of midfielder Enda McGinley due to injury after 15 minutes coincided with a Down revival.
The home side scored just once in the second quarter, while Down began find some self-belief.
Gordon's punched goal was disallowed for a square ball infringement, but they did get a goal in the 34th minute when Gordon and Paul Murphy combined for Benny Coulter to net with the help of a deflection.
Tyrone led by 2-04 to 1-03 at the break, but Down reorganised their defence and too a grip on midfield through the excellent Dan Gordon and substitute Ambrose Rodgers.
The strength of their bench was evident in the effectiveness of Paul Murphy and Paul McCumiskey, while Coulter always carried a threat.
That threat was never more evident than when he broke away on the right to cross for Rodgers to punch to the net in the 50th minute.
Tyrone struggled to rediscover their early momentum, but Dooher and Kevin Hughes did get them back in front, but there was still time for McCumiskey to convert an equalising free in stoppage-time
Tyrone: P McConnell, R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, D McCaul, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, C Holmes, S Cavanagh (1-2), B Dooher (0-1), B McGuigan, E McGinley, M Penrose (0-1), C Cavanagh (0-1, free), C McCullagh (1-2).
Subs: K Hughes (0-1) for McGinley, D Carlin for Harte, M McGee for McCaul, T McGuigan for C Cavanagh, N Gormley for B McGuigan, Joe McMahon for Homles
Down: B McVeigh, L Howard, M Cole, C Murney, A Carr, L Doyle (0-2, 2 frees), D Rafferty, D Gordon (0-2), J Lynch, J Fegan, R Murtagh, D Hughes, J Clarke, R Sexton (0-1), B Coulter (1-0).
Subs: P Murphy (0-1) for Murney, K McKernan for Fegan, A Rodgers (1-1) for Lynch, P McCumiskey (0-1, free) for Clarke
Referee: D Coldrick (Meath)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 08, 2008, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
FFS Tryone, put the hoors in their place in the replay ffs.
I'd say they will win easily - they should have been out of sight 15 minutes gone today - Down were extremely lucky and missed the boat in the end.
While the marshes haven't been a fortress for Down, they will definitely be a lot more confident going out next week. They were incredibly nervous, first 15 mins today. If they dont do that next sat, they've exposed enough Tyrone weaknesses especially up front, to feel that they're in with a damn good shout
I thought it was very entertaining. Some poor shooting, but some well worked scores as well. During the first half i was getting ahead of my self and hoping to draw Down in the qualifiers!
Hard to know how good either team was. At the start i thought Tyrone were back to near their best.
As for Down's management, how did Carr manage to get a reprieve? And should DJ Kane have to serve a new ban? He was literally standing with one foot in the stand at times, yet he was clearly involved with the rest of the sideline team. It was farscical. Should the fourth official not be policing that?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
I thought it was very entertaining. Some poor shooting, but some well worked scores as well. During the first half i was getting ahead of my self and hoping to draw Down in the qualifiers!
Hard to know how good either team was. At the start i thought Tyrone were back to near their best.
As for Down's management, how did Carr manage to get a reprieve? And should DJ Kane have to serve a new ban? He was literally standing with one foot in the stand at times, yet he was clearly involved with the rest of the sideline team. It was farscical. Should the fourth official not be policing that?
Get over yourself Maguire01, what about it? These sort of suspensions are farcical at the best of times. Its appropriate that the adherence to them is equally farcical
Quote from: jodyb on June 08, 2008, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
I thought it was very entertaining. Some poor shooting, but some well worked scores as well. During the first half i was getting ahead of my self and hoping to draw Down in the qualifiers!
Hard to know how good either team was. At the start i thought Tyrone were back to near their best.
As for Down's management, how did Carr manage to get a reprieve? And should DJ Kane have to serve a new ban? He was literally standing with one foot in the stand at times, yet he was clearly involved with the rest of the sideline team. It was farscical. Should the fourth official not be policing that?
Get over yourself Maguire01, what about it? These sort of suspensions are farcical at the best of times. Its appropriate that the adherence to them is equally farcical
This has no bearing on anything !
That really was a game of two halfs.
Tyrone should have been 4 goals up at half time and the game finished. However full credit to Down on their amazing come back and I couldn't fault them.
Ross was quicker off the mark making the necessary changes to the team.
Don't know what Hughes was doing on the pitch today, he really shouldn't even be on the panel. Fair enough he hit the crossbar and got the final point, but he did buggar all else in the game.
McGee did powerful work keeping the ball in the game that time.
McGuigan isn't back to his magic yet, but then again we are judging him by his own high standards.
Tyrone just took the foot off the petal and allowed Down back into the game. Down have learned more than Tyrone this game and I fear we'll be making an early exit from the Ulster Championship next Sunday.
Quote from: jodyb on June 08, 2008, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
I thought it was very entertaining. Some poor shooting, but some well worked scores as well. During the first half i was getting ahead of my self and hoping to draw Down in the qualifiers!
Hard to know how good either team was. At the start i thought Tyrone were back to near their best.
As for Down's management, how did Carr manage to get a reprieve? And should DJ Kane have to serve a new ban? He was literally standing with one foot in the stand at times, yet he was clearly involved with the rest of the sideline team. It was farscical. Should the fourth official not be policing that?
Get over yourself Maguire01, what about it? These sort of suspensions are farcical at the best of times. Its appropriate that the adherence to them is equally farcical
He was given the ban for a reason. Why do you think his supension was farcical? If a
player was suspended, they wouldn't be allowed on the field, even if only to skirt around the edge.
Do you really believe that if you don't agree with a suspension you're justified in ignoring it?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 08, 2008, 09:37:25 PM
That really was a game of two halfs.
Tyrone should have been 4 goals up at half time and the game finished. However full credit to Down on their amazing come back and I couldn't fault them.
Ross was quicker off the mark making the necessary changes to the team.
Don't know what Hughes was doing on the pitch today, he really shouldn't even be on the panel. Fair enough he hit the crossbar and got the final point, but he did buggar all else in the game.
McGee did powerful work keeping the ball in the game that time.
McGuigan isn't back to his magic yet, but then again we are judging him by his own high standards.
Tyrone just took the foot off the petal and allowed Down back into the game. Down have learned more than Tyrone this game and I fear we'll be making an early exit from the Ulster Championship next Sunday.
I know how you might make this assessment but Tyrone will never go from 22nd minute to 47th minute again without scoring - I quite fancy Tyrone next Sat night actually !
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Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
I thought it was very entertaining. Some poor shooting, but some well worked scores as well. During the first half i was getting ahead of my self and hoping to draw Down in the qualifiers!
Hard to know how good either team was. At the start i thought Tyrone were back to near their best.
As for Down's management, how did Carr manage to get a reprieve? And should DJ Kane have to serve a new ban? He was literally standing with one foot in the stand at times, yet he was clearly involved with the rest of the sideline team. It was farscical. Should the fourth official not be policing that?
Get over yourself Maguire01, what about it? These sort of suspensions are farcical at the best of times. Its appropriate that the adherence to them is equally farcical
He was given the ban for a reason. Why do you think his supension was farcical? If a player was suspended, they wouldn't be allowed on the field, even if only to skirt around the edge.
Do you really believe that if you don't agree with a suspension you're justified in ignoring it?
wrt to your point about players, you're absolutely right. I just think that manager incursions on to the pitch (and the reactions they invoke) is part of the entertainment value of the game. Derry Tyrone games when the wee Eamon barged on to the pitch and near started a riot, when one of his lads went down, always stay in your memory.
Technically your correct of course, but I think it says something about the passion of a manager for his squad when he gets into trouble in this way. Foolhardy (and probably counterproductive in many cases), but admirable nonetheless
How do you think the referee performed today ?
I thought the ref was decent enough today. Let the game flow well enough and didn't give too many easy frees.
Firstly if the steward in the parking lot is reading, you are one ignorant ****!
The match was excellent, a lot of mistakes but the excitment in the second half was first rate.
The Down first half performace was a shambles. The FB line was cleaned out, Murney should have been called a shore ten minutes earlier. The only Down players who were decent in the first were McVeigh (great save from Penrose), Hughes, Doyle and Gordon. In fact Gordon was probably the best player on the pitch despite Down being so porr.
From a Tyrone viewpoint; McCullagh started on fire and hit 1-2 I think in the first ten minutes, he barely touched leather after that. Good tracking back but he did not put in any tackles. Penrose was very impressive - lightning pace and a real threat for me.
Dooher had a massive influence in the first half. Hughes is a poor player. Justin done well on Coulter, although Benny's handling was the cause of most of his mistakes.
When Paul Murphy came on, he baically ewliminated Dooher s much as possible. He was outstanding and must surely start next Saturday. The other sub who will surely start is Ambrose, his second half performance was near as good as Dans and that is saying something,
McCumiskey made a real impact when he came on. The Tyrone attack was floundering ands they kicked some bad wides. The majority of their own kick-outs were won by Down men.
A fair result for a very good game. Gordon was easily man of the match.
Quote from: corn02 on June 08, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
Firstly if the steward in the parking lot is reading, you are one ignorant ****!
How so? I was in there today and thought they were excellent. Just a bit of a wait getting out, but sure what's the hurry.
I think the fact that someone has had to specifically ask how people feel he did says a lot. When the ref hasn't been the centre of discussions about the match, it's generally a good indication that he has had a good game.
Quote from: corn02 on June 08, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
Firstly if the steward in the parking lot is reading, you are one ignorant ****!
Pat says No!
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Without naming names, a member of the gaaboard got me a nice hot cup of tea at half time.
Thank you good sir ;)
It was before the match Zig, I asked him a simple question and he ignored me on purpose. I waited until he came back and asked him again and he gave me a blunt asnwer so I told him to go f**k himself. The other ones inside were excellent.
Ah right. Well personally I think the Casement ones are c***ts, but I guess you get them everywhere.
The general feeling here in this particular buachaill is one of relief more than anything else. Credit to Down for eliminating our midfield when the game really should have been over as a contest, such were the goal chances we squandered; MH was uncharacteristically slow in introducing the necessary changes, which almost cost us the game. Big Seán and Big Joe stopped the rot. Overall not as pessimistic as some here, don't believe too much can be deduced from the first game out, and there was definitely an element of rustiness that today will have gone a long way to cure (true for Down too of course), but would be surprised if we don't have too much for them on Saturday next.
Down scored four goals against us in 2003 in the first drawn game, that they only scored two today represents a 100% improvement! Can't be that bad eh?! ;)
To be fair to MH, injuries during the match twisted his hand a bit.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
Down scored four goals against us in 2003 in the first drawn game, that they only scored two today represents a 100% improvement! Can't be that bad eh?! ;)
Would that not be a 50% improvement?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
Down scored four goals against us in 2003 in the first drawn game, that they only scored two today represents a 100% improvement! Can't be that bad eh?! ;)
Would that not be a 50% improvement?
2003 was 100% worse than today, so today must be 100% improvement (desperately seeking positives, tread carefully please ;)).
Still think it's only a 50% improvement, of sorts. ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on June 08, 2008, 10:26:35 PM
Still think it's only a 50% improvement, of sorts. ;)
If you want to be implacably negative Ziggy, that's entirely up to you, but leave me alone with my positivity! ;)
SOS TO STEPHEN O'NEILL
Every fear we had was realised today. Without O'Neill, Canavan and Mulligan we have a very average full forward line. Holmes and Hughes are no better than they were 2 years ago but seem to be the best of what we have available.
Tyrone did look impressive early on but Down were seriously slow out of the traps and seemed nervous. Penrose was impressive for much of the game and McCullagh worked hard in the second half, dropping deep to start moves - but we've no target men.
Defensively, we didn't do too badly. Apart from Coulter's (own) goal, did any other Down forward score? Dan Gordan had a free run at it today and it was embarrassing to watch. Cavanagh was completely wasted and I think won one ball although if he was injured then that's understandable. Dooher started impressively, although you could say that about most of the side. That's the thing - 8 to ten of our players are good enough to drive us to silverware, but we simply cannot survive without a freetaker. Tyrone in 03 and 05 scored a serious amount of converted frees, usually won by O'Neill, Canavan and Mulligan. Now, any free awarded over 30m out is played sort, or simply missed! I cannot believe Mickey hasn't addressed this. Or perhaps his hands are tied. Can you afford to carry an average footballer for simply his free-taking ability? Is there any one on the bench who fulfills that criteria?
We were lucky enough to escape. I thought McComiskey was fouled at the end. If he starts on Saturday night we're in for a long night. Well done Dan Gordan - his all-round play was wonderful to watch at times.
SOS TO STEPHEN O'NEILL
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
Down scored four goals against us in 2003 in the first drawn game, that they only scored two today represents a 100% improvement! Can't be that bad eh?! ;)
Would that not be a 50% improvement?
2003 was 100% worse than today, so today must be 100% improvement (desperately seeking positives, tread carefully please ;)).
It
is only a 50% improvement. If you had scored 2 goals one day and 4 the next, that would be a 100% improvement. To go from 4 to 2 makes it 50%. :P
I see SON was an interesed spectaor, I wonder did he regret it watching some of the terrible shot choices.
He was sitting behind a mate of mine. More likely thinking lucky escape.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
Down scored four goals against us in 2003 in the first drawn game, that they only scored two today represents a 100% improvement! Can't be that bad eh?! ;)
Would that not be a 50% improvement?
2003 was 100% worse than today, so today must be 100% improvement (desperately seeking positives, tread carefully please ;)).
It is only a 50% improvement. If you had scored 2 goals one day and 4 the next, that would be a 100% improvement. To go from 4 to 2 makes it 50%. :P
Not talking about scoring, but talking about
conceding: today's concession of two goals represents an improvement of 100% (of today's tally of conceded goals) compared that tally of four goals conceded in 2003. It depends entirely on the angle of view, so no matter how much you try to convince me otherwise, I'm immovably stuck on 100%, so you can save your keystrokes. ;)
Truly a game of two halves.
In the first half Down's half-back line crucified their team by continually bombing forward and continually giving the ball away. The space Tyrone's full-forward line were getting was criminal; i felt sorry for Howard and Murney.
All of the subs made an impact, but Ambrose was the crucial difference, as he was ast his brilliant best. Dan Gordon was supreme throughout, but we kept them penned in for the first 25 mins of the second half because McConnell had no options when going long, Down were simply rampant in winning the ball back.
Other points. Wee Sexton had a magnificent second half. Down's shape improved dramatically when Doyle moved to centre-back. Down should forget the long ball tactic and play a fast-moving handpassing game, as it suits their players better. McComiskey has the potential to be an all-time great.
Had Down much support in Omagh ?
Yes, Down had good support there, very close to 50-50 I'd say.
I was chatting to a former Derry man after the game and a supporter from Armagh. Apparently Bellew had triples and his sister had twins recently. He reckons Armagh GAA have to Bellews on a breeding programme for the future.
The Down number 9 in the moinor match (McPoland?) had a Gordon-esque dispaly.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
There was at least 3 from Antrim there as well. Myself, Butterknife and Mrs. Butterknife.
And I met a pal from Belfast there, so that's four at least.
Mr McGourty makes five.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2008, 10:57:39 PM
Jesus. Belfast must have been like a ghost town today.
Not used to daylight GAA up there ;)
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2008, 10:57:39 PM
Jesus. Belfast must have been like a ghost town today.
It's a wonder yous didn't go home to your houses cleared out.
Lads in all seriousness this square ball rule is a joke. Gordons goal was a perfectly good goal . It is time the square ball rule was removed as it serves no purpose whatsever.
Quote from: ONeill on June 07, 2008, 09:21:01 PM
Ok, prediction time - I'm plumping for a draw
Tyrone 0-13
Down 2-7
Well done, and close with the points scored each too.
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
If Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked...
Well?! ;)
So, just have a player stand on top of the keeper all game and lump the ball up to him. He should break even and score 7 goals.
Crumbs of comfort for Tyrone is that the Derry game in '03 and the Cavan game on '05 were just as pessimistic.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
If Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked...
Well?! ;)
I stand by that. Sean was clearly unfit/injured.
Quote from: ONeill on June 08, 2008, 11:18:22 PM
I stand by that. Sean was clearly unfit/injured.
I'd agree, he wasn't quite at himself.
Good call on Mc Cumiskey, he'll need to be curtailed somehow on Saturday.
Quote from: ONeill on June 08, 2008, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2008, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 02, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
If Mickey Harte starts a fit Sean Cavanagh at full forward, I'll run from Brocagh to Sion Mills naked...
Well?! ;)
I stand by that. Sean was clearly unfit/injured.
O'Neill it's just typical East Tyrone discrimination against West and North Tyrone Clubs. Why stop at Sion Mills? What's wrong with shaking it loose into Strabane, and out into Leckpatrick?
Actually....your fine where you are.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2008, 11:27:36 PM
Norf, your club should be expecting a heavy fine. The litter around Healy Park was a disgrace.
We never threw a bit. We employed our U8s to lift it all again...recycling you see!
Psstttt....wanna buy a ticket?
I'll talk about the game in the morning....but I just want to thank all the Down lads on this board who bought raffle tickets for the Harps Car draw today in Omagh....Yis know who yiz are lads...thanks a million and we hope to return the favour at some stage :)
A big hearted fighting display from Down, not aided in any way by the ineptitude of the Down Management Team. Having gone with the wrong selection initially, they were woefully slow to respond to the obvious deficiences. Murphy, Mc Comisky,and Rogers should have been introduced earlier.Possibly Gordons best ever game in a Down Jersey, lets pray for a repeat performance next week. Bennys handling was disappointing today, expect a big game from him next week. With the confidence gained from today, i would be confident of a win in Newry, hopefully we will start with the fifteen who finished today, this is our best team
Quote from: Pangurban on June 08, 2008, 11:42:33 PM
A big hearted fighting display from Down, not aided in any way by the ineptitude of the Down Management Team. Having gone with the wrong selection initially, they were woefully slow to respond to the obvious deficiences. Murphy, Mc Comisky,and Rogers should have been introduced earlier.Possibly Gordons best ever game in a Down Jersey, lets pray for a repeat performance next week. Bennys handling was disappointing today, expect a big game from him next week. With the confidence gained from today, i would be confident of a win in Newry, hopefully we will start with the fifteen who finished today, this is our best team
I thought Down management rang the changes ealry on and they all worked - what more do you want ?
Good game and a good comeback from Down that noone could have seen happening when Tyrone were 7 points up. Thought Colm Cavanagh should have went for a 3rd Tyrone goal but he took the easy option and fisted the point. If that 3rd goal had of went in it would have been game over.
Down have a chance if their midfield repeat today's heroics but if Tyrone cut loose with quick passing to set up goal chances they could tank Down.
Wasnt McGuigan's handpass for McCullough's goal sublime --dropped the shoulder to the left but handpassed the ball to his right with his left hand--class.
Quote from: Gold on June 08, 2008, 11:53:55 PM
Good game and a good comeback from Down that noone could have seen happening when Tyrone were 7 points up. Thought Colm Cavanagh should have went for a 3rd Tyrone goal but he took the easy option and fisted the point. If that 3rd goal had of went in it would have been game over.
Down have a chance if their midfield repeat today's heroics but if Tyrone cut loose with quick passing to set up goal chances they could tank Down.
Wasnt McGuigan's handpass for McCullough's goal sublime --dropped the shoulder to the left but handpassed the ball to his right with his left hand--class.
That was as good a goal as you'll see scored this year. Mc Guigan's pass was pure class - the finish was top drawer.
Well done to Down on their come back, I thought we were going to get an awful hiding at one stage. Fiar play to the management their substitutions worked a treat and the boys coming on had massive points to make and they made them fairly emphatically. It will be hard to leave Murphy and Ambrose out the next day. I hope he can resist the temptation to start McComiskey, he is a bit young yet and will be better being sprung from the bench.
I'd disagree with lads in favour of getting rid of the sqaure ball rule, its their to protect keepers from teams putting 3 full fowards in the square and driving high balls in on top of the keeper.
I think we can get the better of Tyrone in the next game, but we can't afford another start like we had yesterday.
The face is burnt off me, the sweat was coming off me just standing watching it what must it have been like for the players. Healy park is a fine ground. Did anyone get the attendance?
Hot day for the first day out. In energy sapping conditions I felt Tyrone werent as fit as Down for the game - Okay there were a lot of miles on the clock on a number of our players but there was an absolute capitulation of midfield effort and it wasnt helped by Packies non variance of the kickouts.
Dont get me wrong I thought we were in dream land after 20 minutes but it became obvious that our midfield/ half back and half forward lines wre not at the races and only for some excellent full back line and full forward line play Tyrone would be out.
We play next Saturday and if Sean isnt fit now how fit can he be by next week? Is Enda out? Was Conor G taken out? Is Holmes up to it at 32, in a position he didnt play when he was 25? Endas replacement Hughes - enough has been said. Where were Philly and Davy the whole game? Why did our half forward line win so little of the breaks? After the second goal went in Down should have taken the game. The general performance wouldnt do again - a very poor effort.
Can we lift it for the next day. We need 2 new midfielders, and an agressive wee ball winner
I would not start McCumiskey.
Not many Programs about >:(
Quote from: amallon on June 09, 2008, 09:23:23 AM
Well done to Down on their come back, I thought we were going to get an awful hiding at one stage. Fiar play to the management their substitutions worked a treat and the boys coming on had massive points to make and they made them fairly emphatically. It will be hard to leave Murphy and Ambrose out the next day. I hope he can resist the temptation to start McComiskey, he is a bit young yet and will be better being sprung from the bench.
I'd disagree with lads in favour of getting rid of the sqaure ball rule, its their to protect keepers from teams putting 3 full fowards in the square and driving high balls in on top of the keeper.
I think we can get the better of Tyrone in the next game, but we can't afford another start like we had yesterday.
The face is burnt off me, the sweat was coming off me just standing watching it what must it have been like for the players. Healy park is a fine ground. Did anyone get the attendance?
17500 according to Indo who incidentally gave the MOM to Dooher -
first half - defending was a bit like south down reserve league. ask the wobbler, he'll confirm that.
second half much better, very encouraging from a down point of view that the team had the fight to come back.
does any club in down have a natural full back?
Had to walk round for ages to get a programme. There was stalls but I prefer the lads being everyhere selling them.
Interesting game yesterday, and being honest i was a little suprised at what i saw...
In the early exchanges it looked like tyrone were goin to run away with it but with some lacklustre finishing they let down back into it.....I feel that with a stephen oneill or an owen mulligan on board the game woulda been outta site at half time....in saying that our inside men did ok.....So what has to change for the marshes.....
Firstly we need to look at our keeper.....Mc Connell is a donkey, his high floating kickouts played into the hands off the mecurial gordan and he screws more kickouts out over the line......Id have jonny curran in....his kickouts are off a lower and more accurate trajetory....
Given that down will start with mc clumisky and coulter inside id play mcgee and justy. Justy coped well with Coulter and looks good at 3...
Our halfback line needs shook up....with gormley still a block and jordan as tidy as ever i think we need a change at 5....Davy does ok....but i feel an attacking mccaul or carlin would offer more to the cause......Its not a case of harte doin well, its a case of him not doing enough.....
Midfield was a huge problem in the second half......we couldnt get a ball in that area...Cavanagh has to be midfield if fit.....Hes not a 14 end off....Joe Mc Mahon is flying at the min and should be Cavanaghs Partner....
Up front i fealt dooher was immense....mc guigan showed glimses but he needs time.....that extra game will do him the world off good.....Mc Ginley mighten make it but hopefully mulgrew may be fit in time.....
As for the inside line Penrose and mc culla should play as a 2 man with Colm Cav moving out to bolster the middle........
As for down Mc Clumisky has to start....I dare say mc gee could be in for a tough time......
Good analysis by RRHF and would agreee with most of your points. It was definitely energy sapping conditions but it was the same for both teams and I felt Tyrone ran out of steam in the second half with Down looking much fresher and stronger.
Our keeper is very dodgy and makes a lot of costly errors at this level. The full back line coped alright. Half back, half forward line and midfield was poor. Down cleaned us out not only in the clean possesion stakes but more worryingly in the breaking ball ones as well. The full forward line started brightly but faded. To me the whole set up is very stale - from a lot of the players right through to the management and back up team.
Think McComiskey must start next time round IMHO
It's all very well an impact sub coming on and giving the team a lift but is it worth the sacrifice as to what he may have done when he was not on the field of play? ???
John Clarke was not at the races but very consistent in the league so I think he should hold his place. Fegan may lose out
Tyrone will be kicking themselves havnig threw away such a lead, surely Down wont give them a seven point lead again
Experience usually stands to the favourites in the replay and the "missed the boat" phrase springs to mind but Down can maybe buck the trend but will probably need at least 2 goals i feel
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
17500 according to Indo who incidentally gave the MOM to Dooher -
Looked like the attendance fitted comfortable on the terraces with plenty of space still there.
Quote from: Main Street on June 09, 2008, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
17500 according to Indo who incidentally gave the MOM to Dooher -
Looked like the attendance fitted comfortable on the terraces with plenty of space still there.
Apparently Omagh holds 25,000
I must commend Tyrone GAA on the disabled facilities.
The disabled toilets were in mint condition, which is unusal for the GAA.
The new disabled seating area is second to none, with un-interrupted view of the game. I would go as far to say that the new Healy Park Disabled Area is better than that of Croke Park. Congratulations Tyrone GAA.
Thought we were poor enough yesterday but suppose after not playing for a couple of months you cant expect the team to be brilliant in the 1st game. No one has mentioned it but McGinley was a big loss for the midfield after having a good league there. I still think we need to keep Cavanagh at full forward next week as it was shown in the 2nd half a team without a half decent full forward line is in big trouble. Hughes cant play full forward at county level. A draw wasnt a bad result because if we've expectations of doing anything this year a number of players including McGuigan need games to get them up to speed. If McGinley and Colm Cavanagh are available Id go with this next week:
Devine
Ricey
Justy
PJ Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Joe McMahon
McGinley
Dooher
McGuigan
Colm C
Colm Mc
Sean C
Penrose
Will the game be all ticket next week or just the stand? Unless BBC show it I cant see it being on tv cause RTE are probably showing Austria Croatia or some other similar nonsense.
Dan Gordan's performance yesterday was first class. Surely he must be rated as the top midfielder in Ulster at the minute.
Sexton, Doyle, and the subs that went on were the best performers for the Mournemen.
Penrose and Dooher were probably the pick of the bunch for Tyrone.
There was a great atmopshere in the stand, especially during the second half. The stadium looked impressive yesterday with the sunny conditions, great pitch and almost full house.
The only downside was listening to the diddly dee carry on at half time.
Well said.
If Colm C was helped off the field this week, surely hes not going to be 100% in 6 days
same with Enda Mc
Id change one of our wing half backs.
Big Joe must start
If Sean C hadnt started at f/f would we have scored anywhere near our total - his positional sense and presence - were sorely missed when he went to put out the fires on out the field. Was disappointed with Colum's effort, Ryan Mellon may well displace him on Saturday.
I would have grave concerns about Tyrone fitness training.
Fair play to Down, the hot and cold champions of Ireland - always an exciting game in extreme weather.
RTE sports boffins . morons are a disgrace.
Malachi Cush is class.
Would any of the Down men or women be able to tell me what the disabled facilities are like at the Marshes? Heading to the game this Saturday.
How close was DJ to being on the pitch? Was there any craic with him yesterday?
Dermy Carlin has a much more impressive head of hair than Mulligan ever had.
Congrats to the minor team who are the reddest haired redhanders Ive ever seen!!
Quote from: rrhf on June 09, 2008, 11:22:05 AM
Congrats to the minor team who are the reddest haired redhanders Ive ever seen!!
Mulligan had a shocking head of red hair in his minor days...
Pass the aloe Vera, My nose is peeling already.
Thought the down lads behind the goals were great craic, In the first half they were shouting at Ross Carr to take "every one of those fcukers off", In the second half they couldnt watch the game they were that fraught with nerves, and at the end they were blaming the ref for robbin them blind!!!!
Team for next week
1. Mc Connell
2. Mc Menamin
3. Mc Mahon
4. Mc Gee
5. Mc Caul
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Mc Mahon
9. Mc Ginley
10 Dooher
11 Mc Guigan
12. Tommy
13. Penrose
14. Sean
15. Mc Cullagh
assuming all of above are fit.
13.
Why have you 2 no 13s. Is there a team with as many mcs in it in the rest of Ireland.
Quote from: rrhf on June 09, 2008, 11:29:09 AM
Pass the aloe Vera, My nose is peeling already.
Thought the down lads behind the goals were great craic, In the first half they were shouting at Ross Carr to take "every one of those fcukers off", In the second half they couldnt watch the game they were that fraught with nerves, and at the end they were blaming the ref for robbin them blind!!!!
Is this behind the goals that Down were shooting into in the first half? There was some Down fella there and he was shouting about everyone on the pitch - the dirty Tyrone players, the useless Down players and the cheating ref! :D
Did anyone pass by the fella who seemed to have collapsed on the way back into Omagh after the game? It looked like he was in a bad way - fingers crossed he's alright!
Quote from: rrhf on June 09, 2008, 11:38:09 AM
Why have you 2 no 13s. Is there a team with as many mcs in it in the rest of Ireland.
Error - well what do you think of it ?
A lot of Mc's there all right !
Wouldnt start Tommy McGuigan next week. He again showed yesterday that he will only pass the ball as a last resort. He's a good player but needs to get this out of his game.
Id put Tommy staright in at 11 the next day and hold Brian for the last 25. I dont think hes strong enough yet
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 09, 2008, 12:00:36 PM
Ziggy, I need a huge favour. I have 2 great seats for Croke Park next Saturday. I`ll provide free transport, all the Bud that you can drink ;) and food that you can eat. I`ll even buy you a new T-Shirt for the event. In return all that I ask is that you take my missus to Neil Diamond next Saturday so I can get to the match.
T Fearon's the man for the job!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 11:52:47 AM
Wouldnt start Tommy McGuigan next week. He again showed yesterday that he will only pass the ball as a last resort. He's a good player but needs to get this out of his game.
You are indeed the Tyrone dreamer. Tommy at times doesnt pass but then again a lot of the others dont always pass either - like a few of your club mates for example.
Quote from: rrhf on June 09, 2008, 11:58:12 AM
Id put Tommy staright in at 11 the next day and hold Brian for the last 25. I dont think hes strong enough yet
This is the way I think they should be using Brian as well (if at all). Put him in when the game is slowed down. He is coming back from 2 horrific and career threatening injuries and is carrying another one, its expecting far too much of him to play a full county game I feel.
Five times
Away off to Neil Diamond with ya. The Ziggy man wouldnt miss a Tyrone match for no woman/beer/grub/tshirt hospitality package. Isnt that right Ziggy.....
Ziggy.........
Ziggy!!
;D Yesterday's game proved that Tyrone are in terminal decline and that Armagh, Derry and Donegal are now indisputably the big teams in Ulster ;D
5Times it would be "love on the rocks" for you if I accompanied your wife to the Neil Diamond concert. My advice is to forego the inevitable Down defeat at the Marshes on Saturday night, and go with your wife to Croke Park and have some "red red wine" next Saturday...it'll be your only chance to visit Croker this year :D
We await the entrance of the Division 2 chokers to the championship next week, Tony against the Cavan "pubteam" .
Until then hold your taytos!!!
Quote from: take_yer_points on June 09, 2008, 11:40:23 AM
Did anyone pass by the fella who seemed to have collapsed on the way back into Omagh after the game? It looked like he was in a bad way - fingers crossed he's alright!
Saw this alright, quite disturbing, hope the lad is ok.
Good God, surely Down avoiding a Championship defeat and not conceding 6 goals in the process is not that big of a shock ???
Might be tough to expect McGuigan to play 2 tough championship games in 6 days but I definately think yesterdays game should bring him on. He showed his old class for the 1st goal and Id be hopeful with that game yesterday behind him he'll be more involved next week. Wouldnt mind seeing McCaul take Hartes place at right half back. Any word if its all ticket? Newry wont be easy to get in or out of next Saturday night. I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday and would expect the opposite for the next game.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
Might be tough to expect McGuigan to play 2 tough championship games in 6 days but I definately think yesterdays game should bring him on. He showed his old class for the 1st goal and Id be hopeful with that game yesterday behind him he'll be more involved next week. Wouldnt mind seeing McCaul take Hartes place at right half back. Any word if its all ticket? Newry wont be easy to get in or out of next Saturday night. I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday and would expect the opposite for the next game.
Definitely all ticket and there's a chance it might not be on TV. Newry is nightmare location for a match.
conor gormley might not make the game for saturday,
apparently hes broke his little toe
Quote from: useername on June 09, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
conor gormley might not make the game for saturday,
apparently hes broke his little toe
Can it get any worse ?
OM why you reckon it could be a live game? Also any Down fans hear have a seating plan for Pairc Esler? Which are the best seats? We be late home on Saturday night with the 7pm throw in.
Breaking your big toe?
Was unable to attend this game so first of all my views are what I seen on TV. Dooher loooked good, obviously lost out on the breaks maybe we need a wee scrambler in there alongside him. I though Conor was at sea after that heavy knock he took. Sean Cavanagh had a limited game outside the goal and a point, Colm Cavanagh took his point when a goal was begging and that started the Down revival. Tyrone need serious surgery in the middle third. Tyrone might have lost the game if Davy Harte hadnt have been injured at that time, as Carlin tightened things up. Mc Gee brought a hard edge to the Tyrone tackling but might suffer from earlycarditis if started. Mc Caul was undramatic but effective certainly in the first half. Midfield was non existent throughout the game. Is there any other miodfield potential in the county at the moment? WOuld not challenge against Armagh. Down were a much sharper, fitter team, with a better bench. Tyrone can win the nnext day but if Down play as well as they can, they are the better team with better prospects for this year anyway.
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
Might be tough to expect McGuigan to play 2 tough championship games in 6 days but I definately think yesterdays game should bring him on. He showed his old class for the 1st goal and Id be hopeful with that game yesterday behind him he'll be more involved next week. Wouldnt mind seeing McCaul take Hartes place at right half back. Any word if its all ticket? Newry wont be easy to get in or out of next Saturday night. I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday and would expect the opposite for the next game.
Definitely all ticket and there's a chance it might not be on TV. Newry is nightmare location for a match.
Newry certainly is not ideal to get away from, but Omagh was a nightmare yesterday. Did not get away from carpark in centre of town until past half six despite getting back to car immediately after match.
What was the story with Mc Menamin yesterday. Was he very quiet. Some of Tyrones most experienced guys didnt really seem to offer leadership yesterday or the game passed them by. Would this be a fair assessement?
Exciting game yesterday, down's 2nd half was excellent and really should have won it. the 4 subs made a massive difference Murphy, ambrose and mccomisky were outstanding!! Dan showed real quality. rony murtagh didnt really get going at all and i felt changing him and benny for the last 20 mins may have done something. they both have to be more involved next week! murphy and ambrose will have to start imo. good perfromance!!!
Quote from: feetofflames on June 09, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
Was unable to attend this game so first of all my views are what I seen on TV. Dooher loooked good, obviously lost out on the breaks maybe we need a wee scrambler in there alongside him. I though Conor was at sea after that heavy knock he took. Sean Cavanagh had a limited game outside the goal and a point, Colm Cavanagh took his point when a goal was begging and that started the Down revival. Tyrone need serious surgery in the middle third. Tyrone might have lost the game if Davy Harte hadnt have been injured at that time, as Carlin tightened things up. Mc Gee brought a hard edge to the Tyrone tackling but might suffer from earlycarditis if started. Mc Caul was undramatic but effective certainly in the first half. Midfield was non existent throughout the game. Is there any other miodfield potential in the county at the moment? WOuld not challenge against Armagh. Down were a much sharper, fitter team, with a better bench. Tyrone can win the nnext day but if Down play as well as they can, they are the better team with better prospects for this year anyway.
Where are the good midfielders ????
I'll give you one from my own club - John Mc Conville - a real brute of a man who has had a treendous few seasons but simply never gets a look in.
Clonoe have Shane O'Hagan, Collie Doris
Dromore have Mc Garry
Would be suprised if Joe McMahon doesnt start midfield next week.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday
Have to disagree. Thought Down travelled very well.
I know club football and county football are two different things but surely there are better midfielders in Tyrone today than what we have on the replacements bench - surely we need to start to think outside the box ? Drastic situations can sometimes mean drastic sloutions ? What's wrong with calling in some of these men now ? Even if we beat Down on Saturday, we'll need them going forward.
Its amazing to me how Ulster football can remain so competitive.
If we are to look at league standings, Down are around the same level as Louth, who Dublin destroyed yesterday.
Now given Tyrones league standings and track record you would be excused for expecting a similar result, but that was never realistically going to happen.
fair play to both teams anyway, good entertainment.
Quote from: corn02 on June 09, 2008, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday
Have to disagree. Thought Down travelled very well.
They travelled well considering there wasnt much confidence but I would say there was 6000 Down supporters maximum. White was the predominat colour in the terraces.
The traffic around Omagh was crazy well after the game yesterday, and it was still bad out the by-pass and by the meats.
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 01:48:42 PM
I know club football and county football are two different things but surely there are better midfielders in Tyrone today than what we have on the replacements bench - surely we need to start to think outside the box ? Drastic situations can sometimes mean drastic sloutions ? What's wrong with calling in some of these men now ? Even if we beat Down on Saturday, we'll need them going forward.
Good questions. Also why are there are 2 keepers on the bench? Surely one of them is taking up a spot that an outfield player would have been better placed to utilise. What do they do for in - house games? Does one of the keepers play outfield?
Quote from: useername on June 09, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
conor gormley might not make the game for saturday,
apparently hes broke his little toe
This guy is a wind up merchant. last week he was claiming Benny Coulter had broken his arm at training!! A clown of the highest order ;)
Conor Gormley is out lads!
Quote from: Wee Roddy on June 09, 2008, 02:26:44 PM
Conor Gormley is out lads!
With a borken toe Roddy ??
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 09, 2008, 12:00:36 PM
Ziggy, I need a huge favour. I have 2 great seats for Croke Park next Saturday. I`ll provide free transport, all the Bud that you can drink ;) and food that you can eat. I`ll even buy you a new T-Shirt for the event. In return all that I ask is that you take my missus to Neil Diamond next Saturday so I can get to the match.
Thanks for the offer 5iveTimes.
However I was in Cologne, Germany over a week ago. It so happened that Neil was playing in Cologne that same weekend. I was enjoying a late night drink in one of the pubs in Cologne when he was invaded by a group of mid-aged, drunk Neil Diamond fans. What a bunch or rowdy twats!
Anyway, after being propositioned by a 45 year old woman, I promised myself I wouldn't allowed myself to get into a position like that again, so no thanks to the Neil Diamond concert.
Anyway, as rrfh says, it'll take a lot to tear me away from a Tyrone match. Unfortunately for you, the company of a beautiful woman in Dublin isn't one of them. ;)
Wee Roddy, If it is from that challenge he had with Carr then I'd be worried. Although it looked like a shoulder charge, Carr actually caught the block on the jaw which may have caused concussion. If this is the case then he could be out as he has received so many bangs to the head over the last years. I remember he got caught against coalisland in the league semi last year (although he went into full forward afterwards and lorded it). Mc Ginley defiantly out, and possible Colm Cav. Its likely Harte could start with Dermy Carlin next week (I liked his combative style and attitude he brought when brought on) or even Swift in the corner. Although McGee played well when introduced he has a tendency to pick up yellow cards early thus Harte's policy is to replace corner backs when booked, so he may be better comming off the bench to curltail McComiskey. Id expect Sean Cav and Hub to start in the middle and maybe Tommy or Mellon to come into the fwd line somewhere. Niall Gormley is a possibility too, he showed well when introduced. I suppose if Conor is out the likely replacement is Joey or Gourley. Big task in the marshes, Gordon and Rodgers influence needs to be halted and we need to be more alert on break ball. Anyone expect a change in keepers? Thought packy wasn't great (punched when he should have caught, and in the case of Gordan's square ball goal he should have took all with him) and even when Holmes was making cross field runs, he still bogged them out to the middle which probably hung Holmes and Hub out to dry.
can anyone post individual match ratings?
from a paper or personal?
We dont have much luck with injuries! We could be facing Down without Colm Cavanagh,Mulligan,Gormley,McGinley and god knows who else! It will test the squad to the limit and some players are really going to have to stand up and be counted. If Gormley is out you'd have to guess Gourley will take over at centre half back. Looking forward to the game already. Should be a big crowd and good atmosphere on a Saturday night.
Anyone elses head wrecked by the amount of people outside the ground collecting money for charity etc or selling club tickets? Im sure theyre for good causes but it can be annoying when people are asking you for money every 5 yards as you walk to the ground.
Quote from: feetofflames on June 09, 2008, 01:33:52 PM
What was the story with Mc Menamin yesterday. Was he very quiet.
I thought that Ricey had a good game yesterday. He really stepped up to the mark and showed the flare of '03 and '05. He made great work of the ball.
Agreed TD, the best policy is to give a decent amount of your money to a chosen charity or two at the start of the year and walk on. I would never give money into a bucket either. I just hope these injury rumours are not true, or we could be handed back our asses in the Marshes.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 09, 2008, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 09, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
can anyone post individual match ratings?
from a paper or personal?
From the Irish News...
Tyrone ratings
McConnell 5.5, McMenamin 7, McMahon 7.5, McCaul 6, Harte 7, Gormley 6.5, Jordon 7, Holmes 5, McGinley 5, Dooher 6.5, McGuigan 6, C Cavanagh 6, Penrose 7, S Cavanagh 7, McCullagh 7.
Subs Hughes 5.5, McGee 6.5, McGuigan 5, Gormley 6, McMahon not on long enough to be rated.
Down ratings.
McVeigh a very kind 7, Howard 7, Cole 6, Murney 5, Carr 6, Doyle 7, Rafferty 6, Gordon 8.5 MOTM, Lynch 6, Fegan 5, Murtagh 5, Hughes 5, Clarke 5, Sexton 6, Coulter 7.
Subs Murphy 7.5, Rodgers 8, McKernan 5, McComiskey 7.
The Irish News gaives Dooher 6.5
The Irish Independent gave Dooher 9 and the MOM title as well - I thought Dooher was our best player, much more deserving of 9 than 6.5 !
i think the irish news is flawed in its judgement at times,
eg. i felt that marty mc grath for fermanagh was man of the match against monaghan but they gave it to mark little
however i don't like criticising it as it is a fantastic representative for broadcasting gaa,
God I wasn't impressed with Dooher at all. Thought he gave the ball away cheaply at times and he certailnly didn't merit MOM! Gordon was absolutely outstanding from start to finish and never put a foot wrong the whole game and could well have added a goal to his 2 points.
I think the Irish News used to hand out 9s and 9.5s in the past and got slated for it so they decided to be a bit more stingey with their praise of players. Gordon was described as 'inspirational' but only merited a score of 8.5. Who'd be a journalist huh?
anyone who yhought dooher was worthy of a 9 or even more worryingly mom ahead of gordan needs to have a good look at themselves and examine the cocktail of synthetic drugs they are putting in their body.
I actually thought Dooher had a very good game. Not MOM or anything, but good game. Gordon was head and shoulders above the rest.
Lots of interesting comments there and it sure must have been entertaining for the neutral
I think we need a 2nd Sean Cavanagh as his younger brother despite his size is a totally different style of player but maybe like Mulgrew he will come good.
Brian McGuigan was slow to find his feet too when he started.
Before the game I would have said Tyrone's Half back and Half Forward line should make up for the MF weakness and hopefully if Sean is deployed at FF we can change our style and get some scores.
Well I think our HF & HB lines were very poor for most of the game though the loss on Enda was immense.
FB line did OK as did Penrose and McCullagh would the ball was his in long and early
Why did we stop that tactic or did Down sniff that out?
I'd be concerned for Sat should McGinley, Gormley not make it and I think Joey has to start no matter what reason Harte is holding him back.
Justy looked good though maybe not tested as much as he would be against say Paddy Bradley.
Surely Dan Gordon can't lord it as much again and as a man just said to me, if we can survive with such a limited amount of MF possession yesterday surely we'll do better the next.
My main disappointment was from Mickey Harte and of course I'm not asking for him to resign but had he been a player we'd have seen he's having a stinker and get him off the field.
Hub was brutal and is a passenger now.
Holmes was not able to compete with big Joey sitting in the wings til 5 mins to go
He says in the IN that some players became complecant but I think he must have been a bit himself to leave Joey and Tommy sub for so long and to leave Brian on for so long.
On a positive note I was very impressed with the tackling esp in the 1st half as I couldnt see it so well in the 2nd half.
Was very disappointed again with Colm Cava and as someone said to me today he runs about trying to convince ye that he's working his b@lls off but he still hasn't reached this level as yet.
Penrose was good and yeah if yer singing of previous year hymn sheet yeah he missed 2 goal chances that maybe Sean or McCullagh would have scored but I think his pace and energy caused Down a lot of problems and with a big man at FF both those 2 can cause problems with good ball in?
Did anyone think Sean was struggling with fitness yesterday, yes O'Neill I know you're clinging on to that.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 09, 2008, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
I thought the support favoured Tyrone by about 70-30 yesterday
Have to disagree. Thought Down travelled very well.
They travelled well considering there wasnt much confidence but I would say there was 6000 Down supporters maximum. White was the predominat colour in the terraces.
Out of the 6 of us drinking together in the pub after the game yesterday 4 of us had the new WHITE Down Polo shirt on....so I wouldnt give you much for your estimation above.
5times do you really think the 7 for McVeigh was generous. His kick-outs were great, he made a super save with his feet and he took ane excellent catch in the second. Had no chance with the goals, well justified in my eyes.
Dooher was good in the first but Murphy easily got the better of him when he came on.
McVeigh had a good game IMO and deserves 7/10.
McEnaney will referee the replay. What difference will that make? With the exception of the call on McComiskey near the end I thought McColdrick had a good game.
Will the replay be all ticketed? if so when will the tickets be distributed to the clubs?
Quote from: screenexile on June 09, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
God I wasn't impressed with Dooher at all.
You weren't impressed with his performance after no league football and months out recovering from injury?? The odd wasteful pass is something that he's often guilty of and definately nothing new. But the hard work and industrious play more than makes up for it - he was directly involved in both Tyrone goals, put in some mighty tackles and scored a badly-needed point to bring Tyrone level again.
I didn't think it was an MOM performance either but as for saying not impressed
at all, when you take into account the long lay-off, it's better than I and most Tyrone supporters could have hoped for!
Calm down Rois ;)
Quote from: Rois on June 09, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 09, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
God I wasn't impressed with Dooher at all.
You weren't impressed with his performance after no league football and months out recovering from injury?? The odd wasteful pass is something that he's often guilty of and definately nothing new. But the hard work and industrious play more than makes up for it - he was directly involved in both Tyrone goals, put in some mighty tackles and scored a badly-needed point to bring Tyrone level again.
I didn't think it was an MOM performance either but as for saying not impressed at all, when you take into account the long lay-off, it's better than I and most Tyrone supporters could have hoped for!
I didn't see the game, but I'm still impressed after that.
Quote from: stiffler on June 09, 2008, 05:37:42 PM
Will the replay be all ticketed? if so when will the tickets be distributed to the clubs?
I would doubt that it will be all-ticket.
I would be surprised if it is not all-ticket, the Down support will be out in force and Tyrone are big travellers (insert gypsy joke here).
Just like to point out to Rois etc that performances are judged on the day. Dooher and McGuigan are just back from big injuries. McGuigan was poor and Dooher was good, especially in the first but not great. Regardless of how they played people should only judge them on their performance, not external circumstances. If they are not fit, they should not be on. I may sound harsh but this is my belief.
When are we likely to hear whether its all ticket or not?
Quote from: corn02 on June 09, 2008, 05:32:31 PM
5times do you really think the 7 for McVeigh was generous. His kick-outs were great, he made a super save with his feet and he took ane excellent catch in the second. Had no chance with the goals, well justified in my eyes.
Overall I'd agree. I like a goalkeeper with presence and he has plenty of it.
I might be getting my games mixed up but did he not look unsure with some of his distribution, put his defense under pressure?
Quote from: corn02 on June 09, 2008, 07:22:39 PM
Dooher was good.
Then you'll agree with me in not understanding how screenexile wasn't impressed with Brian
at all. I did agree with him that it wasn't a MOM performance remember!
Quote from: ziggysego on June 09, 2008, 07:05:36 PM
Calm down Rois ;)
I'm calm, I'm calm... ;D
Dooher's game was average by his standards. Better than most on the Tyrone team but average in general.
Actually feel more optimistic about this than the game on Sunday. Tyrone have an awful lot to improve upon and if we can up the midfield percentage, the scoring tally should improve. Hopefully we won't get wiped out there again and I'm sure Mickey won't make the same positional mistakes.
2004 was the last time we had a good first game in the championship. Mickey's policy of no friendlies has been awfully close to biting him on his bearded arse a few times, first time out. Barring an injury report that makes disastrous reading on Thursday, Tyrone will be a much better outfit on Saturday.
Looking back on our recent championship replays:
2006 - beat Louth
2005 - beat Cavan
2005 - lost to Armagh by default
2005 - beat Dublin
2003 - beat Derry
2003 - beat Down
2002 - lost to Armagh
Quote from: jodyb on June 09, 2008, 07:26:48 PM
When are we likely to hear whether its all ticket or not?
I'd doubt that it will all ticket at this stage. Normally, you'd have had some sort of announcement today, and logistics are unlikely to permit it at this stage. Plus you've that Saturday evening factor, when attendances traditionally are down from the week before.
On the game, Tyrone got no more than they deserved. 20 minutes champagne football and 4 miserable points in the subsequent 50. Harte's loyalty to his troops is commendable, but yesterday must serve as a wake up call. That's the second time a big lead has almost been pissed away and ended up in defeat. Surely they can't be as bad again?
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 09, 2008, 05:36:37 PM
McEnaney will referee the replay. What difference will that make? With the exception of the call on McComiskey near the end I thought McColdrick had a good game.
With the exception of Cole remaining on pitch after breaking Harte's nose with a nasty elbow, Coldrick did well ;) Overall he had a good game, and definitely the best that I've seen him adjudicate.
He should have been off but of course Harte went in with a closed fist too, even if not as vicious.
I agree Rois, my point was more about people syaing past injuries should be considered rather than Dooher's performance.
Quote from: corn02 on June 09, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
He should have been off but of course Harte went in with a closed fist too, even if not as vicious.
...
Yes, Harte landed him a punch on the heart (excuse the pun) with a clenched fist, which Cole reacted to. Can't condone either player's action of course, but I think the correct decision was a yellow. Cole was the player in possession getting fouled after all.
Over all, the referee had a good game, including getting the Dan Gordan disallowed goal decision correct.
A lot of mention has been made of the McComiskey foul that was not awarded, but a more costly error was made earlier in the game, when the 2nd Tyrone goal resulted from a free awarded at the other end of the field. What looked like a free in for Down, was given as a free out for Tyrone (no one knows the reason why?) and the ball was kicked up the field and next thing we know it is the back of the net! It is only ever the decisions near the end of the game that we remember 8)
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 01:48:42 PM
I know club football and county football are two different things but surely there are better midfielders in Tyrone today than what we have on the replacements bench - surely we need to start to think outside the box ? Drastic situations can sometimes mean drastic sloutions ? What's wrong with calling in some of these men now ? Even if we beat Down on Saturday, we'll need them going forward.
Correct. Tyrone were totally destroyed in the middle of the park yesterday. I cannot for the life of me understand how a player who would never have started midfield under Big Art and Eugene, couldnt get a start in 2003 or 2005 can now be considered the best that Tyrone can offer for this position.
I would guess it will be all ticket. What does Newry hold now with the new stand finishd? Id expect a big Down support. Even when the teams met in a backdoor qualifier in 04 in Newry on a Saturday night (with the match on tv) there was a big crowd.
Apparently the replay is all-ticket. The ground should hold about 20,000 and there is also a Down v Tyrone ladies match at 5pm.
yes all ticket I think. Just home from training and our club secretary took names of all who wanted tickets.
Mc Ginley is rated very doubtful which would be a big blow - I think Joe Mc Mahon will start regardless - Tyrone's kickouts are a problem.
I have only notched 50 or so posts on this board, but i'd say in at least 5 of them, I have made reference to the fact that Tyrone have not had a midfielder of sheer class since big Plunkett hung up his boots. Cavanagh at his rampaging best is quality but rarely fetches clean ball. What worried me about Sunday was the amount of times Gordon caught uncontested ball. Holmes and Hub didn't even try to punch it let alone catch it. Shambolic. When talking about other midfielders around the county I would give Harte the benefit of the doubt regarding what's required and the difference in standard. He's been managing at county level for 10 years. Maybe Coney or Eugene McKenna's cub can come through in a couple of years. Young McKenna was leaping like a salmon and hanging in the air just like his old man in the minor match. At present, Joey Mc has to start in midfield to get his fist on everything.
Regarding Sunday, Healy Park was looking superb, the pints in the club after were cold, crisp and despatched with great vigour. That lad staggering towards the town was in as bad a shape as I've ever seen.
Roll on Saturday.....
I have deliberately waited over 24 hrs to give an opinion on yesterday....i didn't want to be rash or jump on the bandwagon, but the last two thirds yesterday looked like a team on the home straight airing its last few breaths before the final nail in the coffin...at one point half way through the second half when Ambrose Rogers goaled, it looked liked a poignanat and seminal moment...i thought to myself, theses players deserve better than this, being outgunned by an inferior (on paper) and youthful team in their own back yard...
i thought we looked a tired team, a team that has been sussed out, a team that is trying to reinvent itself, but in reality is struggling to come up with anything different...
Let's be honest, once ross carr rung the changes after 20 mins and tightened things up by putting a check point up behind his midfield, we were devoid of ideas...and Down's attack threatened a number of times...i think we just about got enough on the board early on to survive...
i thought we didn't extract enough from sean cavanagh whilst he was in at full forward...we left three inside early on and at times sean looked crowded out...the more men Down could get back the better to crowd him out...it was only when mccullagh moved out, and played just off sean and penrose, that we began to get joy....
i thought dooher was a delight to watch at times yesterday...yes, he looked a little rusty and his lack match fitness at this level told at times, but he added an extra intestity to our middle third...
worringly, i feel we are still suspect down the flanks when we are run at...expect down to utilise the flanks more this sat night....
justin did ok on coulter, the heart was in the mouth a few times, but i feel benny wasn't at his sharpest...i still fear the threat of him inside, and am not totally convinced of justin repeating the job this week...
as for team selection, i feel McGee will come in, not just because of McComiskey-(for what it is worth, i think Down will hold him off again this week-but because of his greater experience)...i feel carlin could come in and play ricey's role, allowing ricey to push up and play No.5...
Joe McMahon should undoubtedly start, but will beard hold him off as he offers great option in a no. of positions from the bench?? can't see Enda playing, the word is hat he didn't even know he was married on sunday night!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anyhow, feel sean has to go to midfield...feel hub and holmes are very one dimensional and much of a muchness....colm cavanagh suddenly becomes a big loss if he's not able to play, as i thought we could have used him at 14...and what odds on Mickey picking Devine in goals??
Devine
Ricey
Justin
McGee
Carlin
Gormley
Jordan
Joe
Sean
Dooher
McGuigan
Colm Cavanagh
Penrose
Tommy
Colm McCullagh
All ticket indeed, confirmed.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 09, 2008, 11:20:46 PM
Devine
Ricey
Justin
McGee
Carlin
Gormley
Jordan
Joe
Sean
Dooher
McGuigan
Colm Cavanagh
Penrose
Tommy
Colm McCullagh
That'll be close I'd say, with Mellon perhaps for Colm Cav.
Down are not world beaters and that team is well capable of winning in Newry. Niall Gormley could be pushing for a start ahead of Tommy. Any updates on Mulgrew and Mulligan? Still, our free-taking from distance will hamper Tyrone's need to maximise all attacking play. That's a serious handicap and can be disheartening for players. Joe into the fullback line and Justin midfield? - the younger can hit a decent free.
If we can somehow scrape through that, it'd give the lads 2 weeks to get into shape for Armagh, having two tough games under the belt. You'd hope Dooher, McGuigan and McMahon will be much the better for Sunday's runout in terms of fitness.
Defensively, Tyrone cannot afford to leak goals. Down might well have scored 4 on Sunday, 3 when Tyrone were on top! Whatever concoction Mickey decides to go with in the corners from Ricey, Carlin, McGee, McCaul, Swift, Quinn etc, they'll need to be on their game in Newry. Quietly confident we'll see a big improvement.
QuoteDown are not world beaters
;D ;D Talk about stating the obvious!
Kelvin Hughes is playing the best midfield football in Tyrone at the moment and he was only removed from the panel 2 months ago. Whatever happened then may well have been the kick in the arse he needed, has shook him up and he is having the best football season of his career, finally starting to realise the potential of his youth.
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2008, 08:43:55 AM
Kelvin Hughes is playing the best midfield football in Tyrone at the moment and he was only removed from the panel 2 months ago. Whatever happened then may well have been the kick in the arse he needed, has shook him up and he is having the best football season of his career, finally starting to realise the potential of his youth.
No disrespect RRHF but he was not that effective when Donaghmore played Ardboe last month and John McConville was definitely the dominant midfielder on show that night.
I got a text to say that Gordan has a broken thumb. Anyone hear anything?
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2008, 12:32:10 AM
Down are not world beaters and that team is well capable of winning in Newry. Niall Gormley could be pushing for a start ahead of Tommy. Any updates on Mulgrew and Mulligan? Still, our free-taking from distance will hamper Tyrone's need to maximise all attacking play. That's a serious handicap and can be disheartening for players. Joe into the fullback line and Justin midfield? - the younger can hit a decent free.
If we can somehow scrape through that, it'd give the lads 2 weeks to get into shape for Armagh, having two tough games under the belt. You'd hope Dooher, McGuigan and McMahon will be much the better for Sunday's runout in terms of fitness.
Defensively, Tyrone cannot afford to leak goals. Down might well have scored 4 on Sunday, 3 when Tyrone were on top! Whatever concoction Mickey decides to go with in the corners from Ricey, Carlin, McGee, McCaul, Swift, Quinn etc, they'll need to be on their game in Newry. Quietly confident we'll see a big improvement.
So Cavan shouldn't bother turning up?? ;)
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 10, 2008, 08:02:56 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2008, 12:32:10 AM
Down are not world beaters
Doesnt say much for your highly fancied Tyrone side :D
Who highly fancied them? Did you?
Quote from: amallon on June 10, 2008, 09:06:21 AM
I got a text to say that Gordan has a broken thumb. Anyone hear anything?
Just heard that myself 4-6 weeks out , dont know if it 100%
Loughshore lad, Kelvin ruled it fror 25 minutes and then Mc Conville punched it away for the next 35 mins and it was a huge battle, both players are better than Hub and Holmes at the moment. Thats my point.
Quote from: downredblack on June 10, 2008, 09:42:01 AM
Quote from: amallon on June 10, 2008, 09:06:21 AM
I got a text to say that Gordan has a broken thumb. Anyone hear anything?
Just heard that myself 4-6 weeks out , dont know if it 100%
Absolutely massive blow for down if true!
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Loughshore lad, Kelvin ruled it fror 25 minutes and then Mc Conville punched it away for the next 35 mins and it was a huge battle, both players are better than Hub and Holmes at the moment. Thats my point.
Obviously MH doesn't think either are better - but at least your man got a chance at the panel.
Mc Conville has staked his claim all over Tyrone as past few years in the top division but MH has paid no heed.
I'd say privately, he'd be thinking today that he wished he was on the panel !
Was talking to a mate of Dan Gordons there, all the talk is b/s.
is the replay being shown live? dont see anything on the bbc or rte websites.
I don't see what Hub or Holmes offer in midfield - we may as well start Peter Donnelly in there sure, he scared the dung out of Louth 2 years ago! I can't understand why more big men haven't been tried in the middle whenever we have been playing the McKenna or league - I have seen quite a few around the county and irrespective of division you have McConville, Rouse and Lafferty from Urney who are great fielders of the ball.
Lads I think ye are all underestimating the effect of the loss of McGinley and the heavy knock Block took
I watched it again last night and the amount of times players just ran past Block and Sean Cavanagh was unreal.
Block was marking Benny when he goaled and he just left him to come across to the man on the ball and so he flicked it over Block's head who then couldn't catch him.
Was he still dazed/winded after that shoulder into the chest?
I don't know was it cos of their injuries, the heat, they thought the match was won though I'm thinking of late on or was it the
"We are Tyrone and we always pull thru" factor but I know Dooher wouldn't let it happen and I think usually neither would Conor
I think its the kick in the arse we needed cos the 1st 20 mins we fooled ourselves into thinking
"Hey the Big times are back - Look at the type of football we can play"
My main concern for Sat is will Down play much more direct ball into 2 man FF line of BC and the wee lad whose name I've just forgotten.
I think Justy did well on Sunday but the supply was poor.
I think Tyrone have more to give as they were brutal for long periods of the game whereas I think Down played above what they expected themselves and yeah they may have more self belief now but the cat is outta the bag I HOPE.
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Loughshore lad, Kelvin ruled it fror 25 minutes and then Mc Conville punched it away for the next 35 mins and it was a huge battle, both players are better than Hub and Holmes at the moment. Thats my point.
Totally agree on the point in bold. As orangeman has pointed out Kelvin has got a bit of a run in the county squad for a few seasons, he didnt do exceptionally well but at the same time he didnt get much game time from memory. John never played a minute in any game not even a McKenna cup one and I just cant work it out when you look at the likes of Conall Martin who was on the McKenna cup squad this season and Peter Donnelly who has been hanging round the squad since about 2004.
QuoteI just cant work it out when you look at the likes of Conall Martin who was on the McKenna cup squad this season and Peter Donnelly who has been hanging round the squad since about 2004.
Exactly what in my eyes contradicts peoples view that MH has assessed all the other options in the county - this can't be realistically the case if he has stuck by certain players who were realistically never going to feature and were simply favourites of the manager. What kind of form is Michael Murphy in these days?
Folks, I know Donnelly seems to come in for a right bit of stick on the board here and rightly so in some of his performances for the county, though he seems to do well at Jordanstown and was brilliant for the club last year. But to reiterate rrh view on Mc Conville, I thought Donnelly also got the better of big John in Ardboe in the recent league encounter and has been our stand out performer for the club so far. Also think Kelvin is a super player and throughly deserved a better chance. When he plays well, Donaghmore tend to as well.
QuoteWhat kind of form is Michael Murphy in these days?
Played first game of season against Donaghmore and has been ruled out with injury since. went through operation recently and won't feature for rest of year.
Ultimately even if these lads are good enough for Tyrone there little or no prospect of them being called onto the panel this summer. Mickey Harte has always favoured bringing on lads who have played intercounty minor and under 21 rather than players who are doing well in club football and that policy has served him very well. The likes of Kelvin Hughes/Rouse and Donnelly (who is lucky to still be on the panel) havent really totally convinced when given their chance.
Had Tyrone finished the job on Sunday then we wouldnt be reading about these good club players who should be on the panel. Id like to see Joe McMahon and Sean Cavanagh at midfield for Saturday evening.
QuoteHad Tyrone finished the job on Sunday then we wouldnt be reading about these good club players who should be on the panel. Id like to see Joe McMahon and Sean Cavanagh at midfield for Saturday evening.
I doubt that as the mifield issue has been raised before and there is no way that it wouldn't have been raised after Sunday's performance if we had won or not. I can't understand why we cannot get one (2 would be a dream) outstanding midfielder from within the county, or even one great fielder of the ball. As I mentioned previously, Ronan Lafferty from Urney has never really been given a shot and he is as good a fielder of a ball as I have seen.
Midfield had been a problem form 2003 !
It has been covered over simply cos we had deadly forwards and half backs who attacked constantly
Where were the attacking half backs last Sunday ?
Naive LDA from a man of your standing - When is the time to raise the midfield problem - when we are out of the Ulster championship on Saturday?
as someone said to me recently - 'hub and peter donnelly wouldnt get a ball in woolworths'
From Hoganstand
Down have suffered a major blow ahead of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone with the news that Dan Gordon has been ruled out with a broken thumb.
X-rays confirmed on Monday that the giant midfielder, who produced a man of the match performance in the Healy Park draw, suffered a break and will be out of action for up to six weeks as a result.
The former full forward fell heavily in the first half, but was able to play on after having his hand and wrist strapped at half-time. But he will miss Saturday night's replay at Pairc Esler with Ambrose Rogers - an impressive sub in Omagh - expected to take his place
Quote from: snappiered on June 10, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
From Hoganstand
Down have suffered a major blow ahead of Saturday’s Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone with the news that Dan Gordon has been ruled out with a broken thumb.
X-rays confirmed on Monday that the giant midfielder, who produced a man of the match performance in the Healy Park draw, suffered a break and will be out of action for up to six weeks as a result.
The former full forward fell heavily in the first half, but was able to play on after having his hand and wrist strapped at half-time. But he will miss Saturday night’s replay at Pairc Esler with Ambrose Rogers - an impressive sub in Omagh - expected to take his place
Total Bollix......I was talking to him at 2pm today and he was grand.....he said he thought it was broke but it's 100%.
Last 18 months or so i feel we look like a very tired team in the sense that we look one paced and flat footed...teams have caught on to our swarm tactics and ferocious tackling, and are running at us down the flanks and also exposing our defence by switching flanks and playing the early ball.....
we always struggle to win clean ball at midfield; but that is not the point...the main reason for Down's ascendency was that they were winning second and third phase ball....holmes and especially hub looked flat and lacked mobility....undoubtedly, joe mcmahon may offer an alternative option, but don't think it's as cut and dried that beard will play him from the start...sean cavanagh needs to be back in there where he can influence the game for as often as possible....pity we didn't have an alternative at 3 to le justin into middle sector....
very little harte can do between now and sat from a physical point of view...it's going to be won or lost mentally and tactically....tyrone need to take every bit of impetus and spur from this aka derry in 2003, replays tend to highlight which team has learned more in the intervening period, we need to quash any momentum or buoyancy Down may have taken from sunday...
i am surprised no-one has played on the fact that Down may have left it behind them on sunday, history tends to suggest the underdog has to take it first time, though the main thing in Down's favour is home advantage and a sat evening throw in....
this will simply come down to whichever team has the hunger to learn more during this week and adapt accordingly to what they now know they face on sat evening....
I know midfield is a concern, but there are always ways and means of bypassing midfield or crowding the area so no clean ball is won and we have some of the best players at picking up loose ball in the country - my major concern for Tyrone is the lack of a even a half decent free taker!
We are never in a million years going to compete at the highest level if we dont have someone who is 100% reliable with the dead ball. Not only does it impact on our ability to run up a match winning score - if i was managing a team going out to face tyrone i'd be encouraging my players to foul out the pitch - 45-50 yards out - as they probably know they wont get punished! In the days of Canavan and O'Neill teams where scared to lay a hand on a tyrone attacker as it was a certain point, this meant openings were made due to the hesident tackling! SURELY TO GOD THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE COUNTY WHO IS A RELIABLE FREE TAKER!
Come back Mark Harte - all is forgiven!!
QuoteCome back Mark Harte - all is forgiven!!
His scoring record for Tyrone was excellent and I don't see why he shouldn't be pulled in.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2008, 04:27:29 PM
Quote from: snappiered on June 10, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
From Hoganstand
Down have suffered a major blow ahead of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone with the news that Dan Gordon has been ruled out with a broken thumb.
X-rays confirmed on Monday that the giant midfielder, who produced a man of the match performance in the Healy Park draw, suffered a break and will be out of action for up to six weeks as a result.
The former full forward fell heavily in the first half, but was able to play on after having his hand and wrist strapped at half-time. But he will miss Saturday night's replay at Pairc Esler with Ambrose Rogers - an impressive sub in Omagh - expected to take his place
Total Bollix......I was talking to him at 2pm today and he was grand.....he said he thought it was broke but it's 100%.
Apparently is' true... (according to Hoganstand anyway)
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=96329 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=96329)
As soon as I saw Colm Cavanagh lining up to hit our first free on sunday from about 45 yards i knew we were going to struggle to rack up a big score! He is a decent player - but does he even take the frees for his club?
FROM THE BBC
Down are anxiously awaiting news of the fitness of midfielder Dan Gordon ahead of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone at Newry (1900 BST).
Gordon, man-of-the-match on Sunday, is scheduled to have a scan on a hand injury on Wednesday amid fears that he may have suffered a broken thumb.
If he is ruled out, Ambrose Rodgers, an impressive sub on Sunday, would be likely to start at midfield.
Enda McGinley, Colm Cavanagh and Davy Harte are all Tyrone fitness doubts.
Gordon's injury is heavily strapped and he told BBC Sport on Tuesday afternoon that the extent of the injury still wasn't clear.
"It's all strapped up so I haven't a clue how bad it is," said the Down player.
As regards the Tyrone injury count, the knock McGinley sustained in Sunday's draw is unrelated to the serious neck injury he suffered in 2003 but he may still miss Saturday's game.
McGinley suffered concussion in Sunday's game and he underwent scans in a Belfast hospital on Monday.
Colm Cavanagh (ankle) is a doubt for Saturday's replay but Davy Harte may be available despite a broken nose.
606: DEBATE
Were Tyrone lucky to survive?
"Enda is more optimistic than he was last night," Tyrone manager Mickey Harte told BBC Sport Interactive on Monday.
"He's having some scans and obviously he wants to make sure that the problem is not related to the neck injury that he had before.
"Davy Harte has a broken nose and there's probably not a lot that they can do with it. We'll just have to wait and see whether he is going to be able to play on Saturday.
"Colm Cavanagh has an ankle injury and again, we'll have to give it a few days although it didn't look particularly good when he came off in the second half."
HOW CAN YOU THINK IT'S BROKE BUT IT'S 100% ????????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
QuoteTotal Bollix......I was talking to him at 2pm today and he was grand.....he said he thought it was broke but it's 100%.
Sorry about that - so no need for a scan then ?
will tyrone be allowed to use 6 sub this saturday again??
Quote from: bridgegael on June 10, 2008, 05:30:55 PM
will tyrone be allowed to use 6 sub this saturday again??
If one of the Down players breaks a Tyrone player's nose again, yes.
Quote from: bridgegael on June 10, 2008, 05:30:55 PM
will tyrone be allowed to use 6 sub this saturday again??
You can use as many as you like nowadays ! How many managers will Down be allowed to use ? ;) ;D
Who's nose is broke?
Oh right didn't know, have been recovering the last couple days haven't been abreast of things like I normally would.
If Mark Harte made a comeback on Saturday, it would dwarf the Frank Sinatra & Lester Piggott comebacks.
Throw him in Mickey.
If Mark Harte (an Errigal reserve) is our answer then we're in trouble. McCullagh is decent at the left footed free's anyway, its the right footed one's that may be an issue. If McGinley and Joe McMahon are fit then I'd be happy enough that we can at least come close to breaking even in midfield. I thought when we were getting ball in early to the forwards in the 1st half they were dangerous, although Cavanagh doesnt look fully fit yet. I'd be hopeful that after getting a game behind him McGuigan can improve 20-30% this week and wont give away cheap balls. I think many Tyrone supporters are overreacting to a drawn game that was the teams 1st outing in 2 months. People have to accept that we're not as strong as in 05 and bringing in average/decent club players at this point isnt going to solve our problems. Dont be suprised if Harte brings back Mellon for this week to try and help out the midfielders. Mulgrew wont be far away either. Personally I'd drop Davy Harte and move McMenamin to half back were he can bring so much energy and passion to the team. PJ Quinn would be my pick if McComiskey is on. Will this game attract close to a full house?
Something that is slowly dawning on most Tyronnies is that the targets have been reassessed. We're not nailed-on All-Ireland contenders anymore and it's now a case of game-to-game progress. There is that small possibility that we can build up a head of steam over the course of the summer, be it front or back door, with a bit of luck here and there on the injury front.
2 things:
1. Gordon will play.
2. Any truth that O'Neill trained with the squad last week? I don't care what anyone says, if O'Neill returns the whole scenario changes.
Maybe pigs are flying but I've a feeling in my waters that this Saturday is the breaking point. We win and it's game on, with players improving in fitness and others returning. We lose, get a tough draw and it's bye-bye Mickey, our greatest county manager. I've a notion we're going to roll the dice one last time and hit a 6. The spirit of Harry McClure will prevail. I might have sunstroke.
I definitely think it will be very close to a full house. A lot of talk about tickets in the past couple of days here, and id expect tyrone to bring a big support. There will be huge noise in newry if down perform for 70mins....Can't wait it will be great to have another championship game in Newry this year, I for one wasnt expecting any, just hope it isnt as hot as Omagh on Sunday....Jesus the burns are deadly!!
Cant see it happening. Is he not due to get married shortly ?
A few down players played some of their best football ( this being said by down posters) in down Jerseys, however putting such performances back to back are rare. I think if mc comiskey starts it will be in Tyrones favour. One again he had a major impact when introduced but the cats out of the bag now. Benny Coulter was relatively quiet by his own high standards and i fear it is he who may be the Danger.
If Tyrone get a lead this time i can see them being more ruthless, a characteristic of replays under Harte in the past. If the reverse happens and Down start well, i can see tyrone haul them back.
Still optimistic of a Tyrone win
That's the spirit lads! No more moping. Rem 73-84 and 57-73. Those were the lean years. Let's put the aristocrats to sleep. The Mournes aren't all that big anyway and Newcastle's a hole. Bundle of SDLP voting Presbyterians. Wasn't Paisley's first Church in Crossgar?
should be a fill house on saturday, a lot of the down bandwagoners will no doubt turn up in full force. you say that some down players played their best game for down, there are a lot more that played no where near their best. mccomiskey should def start. i think it'll be another tight game with only a point in it either way! roll on saturday!
Thought the talk was he was getting married next year but could be wrong. It would be suprising the lift it would give the squad and supporters if he came back now. On Sunday we had no match winning forwards to spring from the bench. If O'Neill was fit to play 20 minutes he'd give the team a huge lift coming on and would easly be worth a few points. Come back Stevie! (In reality I doubt very much he's coming back now)
You may be right. I thought it was this year.
You tyrone lads are like a child whistling going past a graveyard to calm his fears. When a team on the way down meets a team on the way up, the latter usually prevails, expect no different this Saturday
There's definitely a weight of expectation on the Down lads now after Sunday, and Tyrone's aim will be to turn that into an unbearable burden as soon as possible into the game on Saturday, and two glasses of vintage champagne football this time, and not just the one, should do it ;)
Breaking news from the Irish Times, is this rot?
Gordon ruled out for Down
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
Dan Gordon has been ruled out for Down ahead of their Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone in Newry on Saturday evening.
The powerful midfielder, who was man-of-the-match in the Healy Park draw, broke his thumb and will be sidelined for up to six weeks.
Yesterday's X-rays confirmed the break after Gordon took a heavy fall in the first half but played on against Mickey Harte's side.
Ambrose Rodgers is expected to fill in for Gordon.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 10, 2008, 05:53:45 PM
Who's nose is broke?
nail if rumours are to be believed you would have missed this causing trouble with opposition supporters!disgrace to the gaa
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 08:23:35 PM
You tyrone lads are like a child whistling going past a graveyard to calm his fears. When a team on the way down meets a team on the way up, the latter usually prevails, expect no different this Saturday
I'll feckin fight ye.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 10, 2008, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 10, 2008, 05:53:45 PM
Who's nose is broke?
nail if rumours are to be believed you would have missed this causing trouble with opposition supporters!disgrace to the gaa
Just you behave yoursel on sunday charles, mind your own!
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2008, 02:10:10 PM
Naive LDA from a man of your standing - When is the time to raise the midfield problem - when we are out of the Ulster championship on Saturday?
I have no objection to people questioning the midfield rrhf and indeed Id also have major doubts about Hub and Holmes as the midfield partnership. I just dont see much pointthough in suggesting at this point that club players not on the panel are the answer. They arent going to be called up at this stage and to be perfectly honest I would have questions about the capabilities of these guys to step into the Tyrone time at this stage and make a difference. There is also the issue of knee jerk reactions. I remember similar talk after the poor performaces against Down and Cavan in 2005. Im not suggesting we're going to win Sam this summer, it looks a very distance prospect, but calling for new faces on the panel after one mixed performance is maybe a bit shortsighted. A midfield of McMahon and Cavanagh with Enda providing support for them would be a match for most IMO.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 10, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
As soon as I saw Colm Cavanagh lining up to hit our first free on sunday from about 45 yards i knew we were going to struggle to rack up a big score! He is a decent player - but does he even take the frees for his club?
he scored 0-7 against stewartsown 2 weeks ago - most of which were frees 30-40 yards out. he was outstanding at midfield that night.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 10, 2008, 09:15:03 PM
I have no objection to people questioning the midfield rrhf and indeed Id also have major doubts about Hub and Holmes as the midfield partnership. I just dont see much pointthough in suggesting at this point that club players not on the panel are the answer. They arent going to be called up at this stage and to be perfectly honest I would have questions about the capabilities of these guys to step into the Tyrone time at this stage and make a difference. There is also the issue of knee jerk reactions. I remember similar talk after the poor performaces against Down and Cavan in 2005. Im not suggesting we're going to win Sam this summer, it looks a very distance prospect, but calling for new faces on the panel after one mixed performance is maybe a bit shortsighted. A midfield of McMahon and Cavanagh with Enda providing support for them would be a match for most IMO.
Much of this is true. We can possibly get a 1-12 unit capable of competing with the best a la 2005. It's the 13-15 that'll be the killer. A Mugsy/Colm Cav/McCullagh just doesn't hold the same fear as Mugsy/Canavan/O'Neill
[quoteIf Mark Harte (an Errigal reserve) is our answer then we're in trouble. ][/quote]
I was being a little bit sarcastic with my bringf back Mark Harte all is forgiven commment - but my main point still remains, we need someone who can kick the free when the pressure is on. Hopefully Tyrone may draw Stewartstown in the next round! ;D
Quote from: ONeill on June 10, 2008, 09:32:45 PM
Much of this is true. We can possibly get a 1-12 unit capable of competing with the best a la 2005. It's the 13-15 that'll be the killer. A Mugsy/Colm Cav/McCullagh just doesn't hold the same fear as Mugsy/Canavan/O'Neill
Small steps. If we're lucky enough to get pass Down on Saturday and make steady improvements, they could be a force to be feared come the latter stages of the competition. That said, small steps and we need to get there first.
Can we not form some kind of paramilitary GAA group and force Canavan and O'Neill out of retirement as well as threaten Muliigan onto the field? Call ourselves the TRAMPS. (Tyrone Redhanders After Mugsy, Peter and Stephen)
Just told that O'Neill has no intention of playing this year at all, so best to put that to bed and encourage the lads to be the best they can be with what they have.
Much talk about Joe starting. Any takers for Joe at FB and Justin MF? Coulter is a cute player and will have learned much from Justin's methods on Sunday. Was surprised Down didn't launch a couple down Justin's throat on Sunday, a Coulter forte surely.
Big feckin beetroot head on him.
Reckons Omagh's a lovely spot and there are more red cars than blue between Ballygawley and St Enda's - about a 60/40 split there.
Reckons Tyrone are a spent force and that we wouldn't win the Tommy Murphy and that Down should win handsomely pulling up, maybe throwing on Linden and Shorty Treanor to humiliate us with 25 minutes to go.
QuoteCan we not form some kind of paramilitary GAA group and force Canavan and O'Neill out of retirement as well as threaten Muliigan onto the field? Call ourselves the TRAMPS. (Tyrone Redhanders After Mugsy, Peter and Stephen)
Just told that O'Neill has no intention of playing this year at all, so best to put that to bed and encourage the lads to be the best they can be with what they have.
Much talk about Joe starting. Any takers for Joe at FB and Justin MF? Coulter is a cute player and will have learned much from Justin's methods on Sunday. Was surprised Down didn't launch a couple down Justin's throat on Sunday, a Coulter forte surely
Good one O'Neill. In all seriousness it would be great for O'Neill to return and along with Mulligan up front with McGuigan pulling the strings you would be alot more optimistic but doubtful that we will see it this year.
According to BBC Dan Gordan is definently out. He's a big loss.
I was told the demand for tickets from clubs is so great that the county board are limiting the numbers to each club. Can anyone with connections confirm this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7446862.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7446862.stm)
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on June 11, 2008, 09:51:45 AM
According to BBC Dan Gordan is definently out. He's a big loss.
Where do read definitely?
The BBC say it is only a "likely" at this stage.
"Down midfielder Dan Gordon is likely to be ruled out of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Tyrone at Newry after scans showed he has broken a thumb."
The next step is the "BBC understands".
Ok - if we accept that club midfielders who are not currently on the panel at the minte, won't provide the answer to Tyrone's midfield problems, WHEN exactly do you introduce them ? In other words, how long is MH going to remain loyal to Hub, Holmes etc etc ?
Has anyone emailed BBC or RTE on whether or not they have made a decision to show this game live?
Even if it was on the Internet that would be good?
Are tickets very scarce?
I haven't decided whether to go yet but I might head up anyway and see can I get in?
I am pleased to see that the general mood from the Tyrone posters on this thread is less pessimistic about Saturday evening than it was before last Sundays game! It should lead to a much better atmosphere in Pairc Esler than was found at Healy Park, where the first chant from the home faithfull could not be heard not until 5 mins from the end when their team went a point ahead.
I am looking forward to the Down fans making some noise. Roll on Saturday night 8)
Re Dan Gordan... I have no doubt his thumb is broken. He looked in a lot of pain when getting strapped on the field on Sunday. But it did not stop him from playing another 40+ minutes and getting Man of the Match, probably mostly on adrenalin. So, he will mostly likely start again on Saturday night, even with a broken hand. I am just worried that it will have a delayed effect on his performance
If Down are admitting that Dan has a broken thumb, but still think could play, then they're having a laugh.
Either it's not broken and he'll play, or it is, in which case he has no chance.
Similarly, with Tyrone - if McGinley has concussion, he will not play, but if it's not concussion there's a chance he'll play.
Managers give very quick, inaccurate diagnosis which end up making them look silly later in the week./
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0611/mcmahonj.html?gaa (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0611/mcmahonj.html?gaa)
QuoteTyrone full-back Justin McMahon has emerged as a fresh injury doubt ahead of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Down.
McMahon is suffering from a hamstring injury, but there's better news on midfielder Enda McGinley, who may play, despite suffering a slight concussion following a first half collision in the drawn game.
Wing back Davy Harte is likely to face the Mourne men, despite breaking his nose at Healy Park, but forward Colm Cavanagh remains extremely doubtful with an ankle injury, according to manager Mickey Harte.
Fear Boirche I disagree with you that if Gordon has a broken thumb he has no chance....I know a number of club players who have played with broken hands/wrists with casts on...I know this is illegal but if the referee couldnt see the plaster on the arm what could be done :) This is about playing through the pain barrier and the will to win! Dan Gordon has the will to win and drive in abundance as he showed on Sunday...he will play on Saturday I'm sure of it!
I would condur with D4S, if the man's allowed on the field he'll play.. The point is though, surely the team doctor would be liable for letting him play the game and running the risk of causing serious injury to his hand?
If Dwon had any sense they'd be resting Dan Gordon and hoping that they win, beat Armagh and he'd then be fit for an Ulster final against Derry or Fermanagh -
Alternatively if Tyrone were to beat Armagh, he'd be readty for the qualifiers.
There's no point in having a player who a broken thumb playing filled to the neck with painkillers - the drugs testing people will be looking for a sample ! ;)
Dont think the team doctor would be liable if he advises Dan not to play, but he decides of his own accord he wants to play anyway!
Tyrone full-back Justin McMahon has emerged as a fresh injury doubt ahead of Saturday's Ulster SFC replay against Down.
McMahon is suffering from a hamstring injury, but there's better news on midfielder Enda McGinley, who may play, despite suffering a slight concussion following a first half collision in the drawn game.
Wing back Davy Harte is likely to face the Mourne men, despite breaking his nose at Healy Park, but forward Colm Cavanagh remains extremely doubtful with an ankle injury, according to manager Mickey Harte.
Somebody is taking the piss here - we're getting every bit as bad as soccer players ! Stop the mind games please if that's what it is !
QuoteFear Boirche I disagree with you that if Gordon has a broken thumb he has no chance....I know a number of club players who have played with broken hands/wrists with casts on...I know this is illegal but if the referee couldnt see the plaster on the arm what could be done Smiley This is about playing through the pain barrier and the will to win! Dan Gordon has the will to win and drive in abundance as he showed on Sunday...he will play on Saturday I'm sure of it!
I really hope you're right, but it depends what the exact problem is. I just think that a broken bone, albeit a small one, is a major injury and playing him is highly risky, not to mention an invitation for opposing players to try and aggravate that injury.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on June 11, 2008, 02:45:20 PM
QuoteFear Boirche I disagree with you that if Gordon has a broken thumb he has no chance....I know a number of club players who have played with broken hands/wrists with casts on...I know this is illegal but if the referee couldnt see the plaster on the arm what could be done Smiley This is about playing through the pain barrier and the will to win! Dan Gordon has the will to win and drive in abundance as he showed on Sunday...he will play on Saturday I'm sure of it!
I really hope you're right, but it depends what the exact problem is. I just think that a broken bone, albeit a small one, is a major injury and playing him is highly risky, not to mention an invitation for opposing players to try and aggravate that injury.
I remember Liam Doyle playing a game, a couple of years ago, with a similar injury, but he strapped up the wrong hand so that his opponent would not step on his hurt one! Not that I am recommending that to Dan Gordan ;)
Have you read in another thread that martin cole has received a 4week suspension and misses the replay...what a fuckin joke there was not intent, he throw his elbow back carelessly to shrug off the tackle unfortunately breaking hartes nose....but I think a yellow as the referee gave at the time was suffice! He'll be badly missed saturday night!
Quote from: D4S on June 11, 2008, 06:49:07 PM
Have you read in another thread that martin cole has received a 4week suspension and misses the replay...what a fuckin joke there was not intent, he throw his elbow back carelessly to shrug off the tackle unfortunately breaking hartes nose....but I think a yellow as the referee gave at the time was suffice! He'll be badly missed saturday night!
That has got to be a wind up. The rule is... if the referee misses something, then it can be dealt with by a committee after the event and issue a suspension. However, if the referee dealt with it at the time, then the committee can do nothing. In this case, the referee saw it and dealt with it, and determined that yellow was sufficient. Don't believe all the spoof that is going around for this replay. It is all so entertaining 8)
I'd be suspicious too, say nothing until the Irish Times has it - Dublin seems to be the font of all accuracy with Ulster GAA matters these days, and proper order too :D
Wish you were right guys but read the utv website under sport, and adrian logan read it out as his main sport headline...was poste first on the utv website at 4.30pm today! Logie must have some source to be reading it out on news!
How much of Pairc Elser is seated?
Just 1 side similar to Healy park, with the other 3 sides all terracing, hold about 4000 in the stand I think! Total ground capacity is 19000
Im in canal terrace. Is that behind the goals?
Same as Healy Park like that also though, all terrace tickets say Canal Terrace but you can stand behind either goals or up the side...my 4 tickets I picked up 2day all say canal terrace also! Ive attended loads of games at esler and definitely the terracing is not seperated...see you there An Dun Abu!
SO with Justin 99.99% out, that probably means Joe goes FB and a reprieve for either Holmes or Hughes.
Lads, this isn't funny anymore - what is it with Trone's hamstrings ?
Since Tally left we have been far less fit and yet had SON, Mugsy, Tommy, Justin and many many more plagued with soft tissue injuries.........................still MH sees nothing wrong with the physical training
Quote from: western exile on June 11, 2008, 07:02:46 PM
That has got to be a wind up. The rule is... if the referee misses something, then it can be dealt with by a committee after the event and issue a suspension. However, if the referee dealt with it at the time, then the committee can do nothing.
Wrong. That hasn't been the rule for at least six years
Right, so the list of absentees from last week's team so far reads:
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Davy Harte
Enda McGinley
Colm Cavanagh
On top of this, Big Sean can't possibly motor for 60 minutes. Dooher and both McGuigans are lucky to be alive at this stage, and Mugsy may never walk again.
Tell me something, are you Tyrone hoors trying to be cute hoors or what? Fellas, it doesn't suit yis.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2008, 09:44:15 PM
Right, so the list of absentees from last week's team so far reads:
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Davy Harte
Enda McGinley
Colm Cavanagh
On top of this, Big Sean can't possibly motor for 60 minutes. Dooher and both McGuigans are lucky to be alive at this stage, and Mugsy may never walk again.
Thats just about the height of it.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2008, 09:44:15 PM
Right, so the list of absentees from last week's team so far reads:
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Davy Harte
Enda McGinley
Colm Cavanagh
On top of this, Big Sean can't possibly motor for 60 minutes. Dooher and both McGuigans are lucky to be alive at this stage, and Mugsy may never walk again.
Tell me something, are you Tyrone hoors trying to be cute hoors or what? Fellas, it doesn't suit yis.
It's worse than that wobbler, Eugene Mc Kenna's achill eyes are playin him up again and Kevin Mc Cabe has a sprained moustache. I think i'll save my cash for the semi final.
I have to say I really was hoping for a good tight game again here but am disappointed to hear of Gordon's injury and Cole's suspension as I think,though I hope I'm wrong, this will make it a step too far for this Down team.
Who will Down shift into full back now?
I would assume they'd play Lynch and Rodgers in midfield now?
More is needed from Danny Hughes / John Clarke too but I think they'll be better this week.
Quote from: D4S on June 11, 2008, 08:30:03 PM
Same as Healy Park like that also though, all terrace tickets say Canal Terrace but you can stand behind either goals or up the side...my 4 tickets I picked up 2day all say canal terrace also! Ive attended loads of games at esler and definitely the terracing is not seperated...see you there An Dun Abu!
Wrong D4S - as far as I know for championship games the three terrace areas are all gated off and the only way to the Canal Terrace is round the back of the stand through a cordoned off passageway. The loads of games you attended may have been McKenna or NFL where nowhere near a full house allows for more open access but deffo not for such a big game as this. Health & Safety requirements.
However go to the top of the Canal Terrace and you will have as good a view of the game as anywhere - great aspect - and in comfort.
Just heard Mickey Harte has an awful case of the runs and Art MacRory has a greyhound running that night. Fr McAleer is taking the team.
What's the name of the terrace along the side opposite the stand? Would rather not stand behind the goal if possible. Thought Newry was a nice ground in 04 and that was before the stand was even done, I'm sure it looks well now.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 11, 2008, 10:49:49 PM
What's the name of the terrace along the side opposite the stand? Would rather not stand behind the goal if possible. Thought Newry was a nice ground in 04 and that was before the stand was even done, I'm sure it looks well now.
Opposite the stand is the Town Terrace.
Yes ground looks great, very simialr to the job done at Omagh, although I hear the pitch is seriously over-used.
Quote from: Leo on June 11, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
Opposite the stand is the Town Terrace.
Yes ground looks great, very simialr to the job done at Omagh, although I hear the pitch is seriously over-used.
You heard wrong......for the money that was spent on it, it should be fit for more traffic than it gets!
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on June 11, 2008, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 11, 2008, 07:02:46 PM
That has got to be a wind up. The rule is... if the referee misses something, then it can be dealt with by a committee after the event and issue a suspension. However, if the referee dealt with it at the time, then the committee can do nothing.
Wrong. That hasn't been the rule for at least six years
six years your arse! Can you back that up?
I remember a player last year or the year before (but cant remember whom) getting a suspension, by committee, afterwards with video evidence, and subsequently getting off on this very technicality.
Okay, I had to do some googling and found this from Saturday, 23 June 2007
Following recommendations from the Management Committee, the following motions were agreed by the Council:
1. blah blah...
2. blah blah...
3. blah blah...
4. In accordance with the current Rule 144 (e), Ard-Chomhairle directs that the Central Competitions Control Committee may make a written request for clarification from a referee where the Committee is in the course of investigating a possible infraction. In that context the CCCC can choose to provide the referee with reliable and unedited video evidence of the possible infraction. In the event that the referee confirms his decision no further action may be taken, but if he states that he did not adjudicate on a particular case or that he did not deal with it appropriately the case may be pursued further.
all the down players got injured at training last night, squad members and all in a freak accident. they are all 99.9% doubtful for saturday!
Quote from: bridgegael on June 12, 2008, 07:20:06 AM
all the down players got injured at training last night, squad members and all in a freak accident. they are all 99.9% doubtful for saturday!
Now you're being silly.
Going to this. Never have I attended a replay whereby the former favourites morale is so low. Apocolyptic injury crisis in the redhand training camp at the moment. I hope that the team can at least put in a performance that in defeat can leave Tyrone peoplewith some sort of pride. Tyrone this Saturday night could get destroyed.
Does anyone have any idea of the stand layout? Which are the best sections? Any TYrone ones have a stab at the team?
I can see Mickey naming the same side, or as close to it, simply because of the 6-day turnaround. Every last hour is needed to aid recovery and the team named tonight will probably be chopped and changed by Saturday night.
Quote from: Leo on June 11, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: D4S on June 11, 2008, 08:30:03 PM
Same as Healy Park like that also though, all terrace tickets say Canal Terrace but you can stand behind either goals or up the side...my 4 tickets I picked up 2day all say canal terrace also! Ive attended loads of games at esler and definitely the terracing is not seperated...see you there An Dun Abu!
Wrong D4S - as far as I know for championship games the three terrace areas are all gated off and the only way to the Canal Terrace is round the back of the stand through a cordoned off passageway.
Can anyone else verify this? I thought the terracing was all the same at any game ive ever been to. I got 5 tickets for the game for different people from 3 deifferent places and all say canal terrace. Is thuis coincidence all are for that 1 area, or do all terrace tickets say canal terrace...I definitel thought a terrace ticket you could stand at any of 3 sides of the pitch???
Quote from: D4S on June 12, 2008, 10:46:40 AM
Can anyone else verify this? I thought the terracing was all the same at any game ive ever been to. I got 5 tickets for the game for different people from 3 deifferent places and all say canal terrace. Is thuis coincidence all are for that 1 area, or do all terrace tickets say canal terrace...I definitel thought a terrace ticket you could stand at any of 3 sides of the pitch???
I cannot be 100% sure, but my understanding is that for full house games, entrance to the Canal Terrace can only be gotten to via the back of the Stand and not via the Town Terrace.
Quote from: western exile on June 12, 2008, 11:37:35 AM
I cannot be 100% sure, but my understanding is that for full house games, entrance to the Canal Terrace can only be gotten to via the back of the Stand and not via the Town Terrace.
Correct. The Canal End is closed off from the Town Terrace with entrance as western has said via the turnstiles on the Far left (stand side) as you walk to the ground. I haven't heard anything to suggest any different on Saturday. Luck of the draw i suppose.
What's wrong that so many players are injured ? It can't be just bad luck !
I hear Withnell is making a comeback for this game!! ;)
Quote from: Feckitt on June 12, 2008, 12:05:34 PM
I hear Withnell is making a comeback for this game!! ;)
I hope not!! He played against the bridge last friday night and was woeful to say the least!! Prob better than any tyrone midfielder though at the minute ;D
Quote from: snappiered on June 12, 2008, 09:13:26 AM
Does anyone have any idea of the stand layout? Which are the best sections? Any TYrone ones have a stab at the team?
Anywhere is the stand gives a great view. Much like Omagh, except the Newry stand is not as long as the construction is restricted by a neighbouring factory, but it is deeper from froont to back so holds about the same as Omagh. Best sections are D, E, F. Better access than Omagh with excellent gangways and stairs.If you are down near the front you might get wet - but that's only DJ pissing about.
I got tickets for the Town terrace, is this the terrace facing the stand?
just checked on ticket master for tickets and it said they're currently unavailable, they'd hardly be sold out already??
I double checked there omagh_gael. The message I got was, that they're currently not available.
Carr likely to be in the clear
12 June 2008
Down manager Ross Carr is set to be allowed to patrol the sidelines in Pairc Esler for his side's Ulster SFC replay with Tyrone this Saturday evening in Newry.
Carr's hearing with the Disputes Resolution Authority against an eight-week suspension, handed down to him after comments about the match referee in Down's NFL defeat to Fermanagh earlier in the year, has been fixed for next Thursday, June 19, it is understood.
It means that the 'interim relief' given to the Down boss by the DRA last weekend will stand until the hearing, ultimately meaning he will be allowed to take his place on the touchline when his side do battle with Tyrone this Saturday.
As a matter of interest, Does anyone know what is the quota of tickets that players recieve?
I've a feeling that Fergal Logan and his colleagues are going to be busy this summer !
I've never met the man but How much of a clown is DJ?
We have talked midfield and defense in this game but in reality can Mc ullagh and Penrose produce their magic on Saturday. Bothj players came of age on Sunday I felt. What about Mugsy - has he any hope? What a pity Mc Ginn didnt come through to senior football?
Sat team subject to injuries not healing and healing???
1) JD
2) Ryan Mc
3) Conor Gormley
4) Damian Mc Caul
5) Dave
6) Dermy Carlin
7) Philly
8) Joe Mc Mahon
9) P Donnelly
10) B Dooher
11) B Mc Guigan
12) R Mulgrew
13) C Mc Cullagh
14) S Cavanagh
15) M Penrose
Jay$u$ this thread has really gone to the dogs in the last 24 hrs
The whole thing has become a shambles with so many rumours of injuries, pretending to be injured, broken fingers, Managers suspended, Cole suspended
Who needs the "Speical One"
I think I'll go to the Karting next door and look over every time I past that window
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 02:37:33 PM
I've never met the man but How much of a clown is DJ?
You should go and ask him !
Don't know about the rest of ya's but I have a pain in the ballix with all this talk of bans and appeals and we are only a couple of games in
eh, excuse me mr kane - what with all the leppin about, assaulting fourth officials, arguing with your own supporters, flouting the sideline ban on tv and given that in all likelihood Mr Carr's ban will be reimposed, how much of a clown are you to still go into the changing rooms at half time and therefore probably leave your team with no match day management for the rest of the summer?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 12, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
It has been confirmed that Kane gave what was described as an "inspirational speech" to the Down players at half-time in the dressing-room at Healy Park.
Surely, it's irrelevant whether the speech was "inspirational" or not. Is this another tactic from some quarters to exaggerate Down's so-called wrong-doings and add further suspensions?
Why don't they just go the whole hog and throw Down out of the Championship, or at least give Tyrone a bye into the semi-final. Surely they deserve this luxury considering they've barely been able to field a team for the past 3 years! ::)
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 02:55:25 PM
eh, excuse me mr kane - what with all the leppin about, assaulting fourth officials, arguing with your own supporters, flouting the sideline ban on tv and given that in all likelihood Mr Carr's ban will be reimposed, how much of a clown are you to still go into the changing rooms at half time and therefore probably leave your team with no match day management for the rest of the summer?
Not bad - I don't think you've left anything out there - give it a go ! He'll probably apologise and buy you an ice cream if there is an ice cream van in the vicinity.
I'd settle for that and have a good chuckle to myself at the lunatics running the asylum next door
C'mon Cavan .
Quote from: stiffler on June 12, 2008, 12:46:53 PM
I got tickets for the Town terrace, is this the terrace facing the stand?
YES
Theres a chance wee Marty Ps out after causing damage to plates at his local bakery, folks. This is beyond a joke.
Will both teams be able to field at all on Saturday night ?
When are line ups being announced ?
All these injuries shouldn't be a bother to Tyrone....what about the huge conveyor belt of talent we were hearing about a few years back? ::)
Quote from: tintin25 on June 12, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
All these injuries shouldn't be a bother to Tyrone....what about the huge conveyor belt of talent we were hearing about a few years back? ::)
It's injured for this weekend as well !
Got this from a man:
1 A Skelton | 2 J Mallon | 3 K McGarvey | 4 J Lynch | 5 K McCabe | 6 N McGinn | 7 P Ball | 8 P Donaghy | 9 H McClure | 10 M McClure | 11 E McKenna (Cap.) | 12 S McNally | 13 M Mallon | 14 D O'Hagan | 15 P Quinn
Subs:S Conway, S Rice, A O'Hagan,
Bit of a young team your source is naming ONeill.
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
Got this from a man:
1 A Skelton | 2 J Mallon | 3 K McGarvey | 4 J Lynch | 5 K McCabe | 6 N McGinn | 7 P Ball | 8 P Donaghy | 9 H McClure | 10 M McClure | 11 E McKenna (Cap.) | 12 S McNally | 13 M Mallon | 14 D O'Hagan | 15 P Quinn
Subs:S Conway, S Rice, A O'Hagan,
Injury doubts over all of these.
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 02:55:25 PM
eh, excuse me mr kane - what with all the leppin about, assaulting fourth officials, arguing with your own supporters, flouting the sideline ban on tv and given that in all likelihood Mr Carr's ban will be reimposed, how much of a clown are you to still go into the changing rooms at half time and therefore probably leave your team with no match day management for the rest of the summer?
Fair play to DJ for having the balls to stand up, be counted and deliver a wake up call to the down boys- he obviously had an effect on them- nothing about being a clown-the man is a winner and passionate about Down......maybe DJ could give Geezer a few tips with motivating his team! The GAA are making awful tits out of themselves with all this nit picking- especially when they are reacting to the media! They should be thanking Kane for having a hand in getting them another pay day! :o ;)
Quote from: redandblackjack on June 12, 2008, 06:22:08 PM
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 02:55:25 PM
eh, excuse me mr kane - what with all the leppin about, assaulting fourth officials, arguing with your own supporters, flouting the sideline ban on tv and given that in all likelihood Mr Carr's ban will be reimposed, how much of a clown are you to still go into the changing rooms at half time and therefore probably leave your team with no match day management for the rest of the summer?
Fair play to DJ for having the balls to stand up, be counted and deliver a wake up call to the down boys- he obviously had an effect on them- nothing about being a clown-the man is a winner and passionate about Down......maybe DJ could give Geezer a few tips with motivating his team! The GAA are making awful tits out of themselves with all this nit picking- especially when they are reacting to the media! They should be thanking Kane for having a hand in getting them another pay day! :o ;)
DJ should be getting a cut out of the gate ! ;)
Tyrone: J Devine, R McMenamin, J McMahon, PJ Quinn, D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan, C Gormley, E McGinley, B Dooher, B McGuigan, C Cavanagh, M Penrose, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
You can be sure this team means nothing when compared to the side that'll line out on Saturday night.
Devine/Quinn/Gourley......not massive surprises if they start. I'd be very surprised if Colm and Enda start as well.
I'd imagine they wont line out in the postions their number suggests. Cant see Gormley play MF. Still no place for Joe?
Cant see that to be the team either. I would expect Joe McMahon, in place of his brother or Enda, and Mickey McGee, especially if McComiskey plays, to start.
Colm Cavanagh looked fecked as well. I don't think Mickey's playing silly buggers - he's probably giving as many as possible time to recover.
ONeill - do you fancy a naked run ? What about from Tamnamore till the 5ways roundabout ? ;D ;D ;D
Are you making any predictions this week about Big Sean ?
Quote from: hardstation on June 12, 2008, 09:33:42 PM
No need to get naked. Just run from the air-drum to Kingsisland chapel with Sean on your back.
Easy enough and the hill hut will give you 20 pints of stout after it.
Bareback ??? ;) :D
Quote from: orangeman on June 12, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
ONeill - do you fancy a naked run ? What about from Tamnamore till the 5ways roundabout ? ;D ;D ;D
Are you making any predictions this week about Big Sean ?
Did you think I was incorrect the last time?
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2008, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 12, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
ONeill - do you fancy a naked run ? What about from Tamnamore till the 5ways roundabout ? ;D ;D ;D
Are you making any predictions this week about Big Sean ?
Did you think I was incorrect the last time?
Na - but was wondering if you were going to threaten another wee run ?
OK, so what's going to happen in midfield?
1 John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
Conor Gormley is there to disrupt the clean catching Dan Gordon - Enda Mc Ginley won't field at all - Joe will take his place.
Thats were Gormley plays his club football, shouldnt be a problem to him! There will be no clean catches thats for sure if he plays there!
His brother Frank was as good as i seen hitting frees! Does he still hit them for the Bo?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 12, 2008, 10:18:29 PM
His brother Frank was as good as i seen hitting frees! Does he still hit them for the Bo?
Frank is not only a great free taker but a great player as well - is still playing very well and hitting frees for us alright. Tommy is not bad the frees either and Stevie Coney still takes the odd fifty.
I don't think the following will start: Justin, Enda and Colm.
For me, with my crystal ball:
Devine
Ricey
Joe
Quinn (rather see McCaul get another chance)
Davy
Block
Katie Price
Sean
Holmes
Dooher
Brian
Tommy
Penfold
Hughes
McCullagh
Shaun O'Neill and Niall Gormley will be pushing. I'd like to see Mellon in for Tommy.
Quote from: hardstation on June 12, 2008, 10:25:51 PM
Get someone to stand behind the net and tell McGuigan to pass it to him. He'll not miss.
Genius. Absolute genius.
hardstation for Mickey's job.
What about Mickey for Antrim er!! ;D Antrim's disciplined, hard working,drinking panellists wouldn't know who Mickey was.
If that team starts, I'll do a buck-naked with ONeill, to wherever he wants to run! ;)
Bit of a radical change of thinking by Harte by the looks of thinks...it seems as if he has spent the week in deep analytical thought by the look of that team...
from the information i have, justin won't play, so i could see joe into midfield and conor gormley full back....
enda also a doubt so possibly sean cavanagh midfield and tommy mcguigan full forward?
Harte has always been a gourley fan, i know he rates him as one on the best tacklers in the squad, so he probably envisages him playing an important role around the middle sector, picking up breaking ball and disrupting the likes of ronan murtagh and ronan sexton on the ball....
it is a bit of a surprise that pj quinn got the nod, especially as if down go with a two man inside full forward line, he'll probably be left in there marking john clarke?...he's probably a better defender than carlin and more steady than swift, but didn't envisage him starting... as for mcgee, i don't think down will start mccomiskey, i feel they'll use him as an impact sub, so that, coupled with mcgee's lack of prior minutes on pitch probably counted against him.....
i feel with way the team has been picked, coupled with likely withdrawals etc, that ricey will have a huge role sat night...i feel he has lost a yard of pace for the corner, and feel the role he played last week could actually suit him, i.e, following a roving corner forward or just and sweeping in front of full back line....i expect him to play a similar role sat night
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 13, 2008, 12:06:26 AM
Harte has always been a gourley fan, i know he rates him as one on the best tacklers in the squad, so he probably envisages him playing an important role around the middle sector, picking up breaking ball and disrupting the likes of ronan murtagh and ronan sexton on the ball....
Ciarán Gourley, more than anyone else, turned the first drawn game against Down in 2003 around for us, and there's more than one or two Down lads who are acutely aware of that. I won't be at all surprised if he starts!
Quote from: orangeman on June 12, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
ONeill - do you fancy a naked run ?
Looking at that Tyrone team Id say ONeill has every chance of getting a run out :o. Throwing him on naked could be Mickey's latest master stroke.
Dont believe the team will line up anything like that come Saturday evening. Block has shown himself to be a fine midfielder for Carmen (and even for Tyrone in the few games he played there inter county) but you dont play a top class defender in midfield and if he is fit to start on Saturday Id be sure he'll be at 3 or 6.
Again its hard to see where the scores come from but Ive been on the drink for the last few hours so I predict Tyrone squeeze past Down, Armagh and Derry then hammer Mayo in the quarters. SON comes back for the semi and sees off the Dubs before the Red Hands once again make ease past Kerry in the final. Easy ;D.
People habe been crying out for Mickey to play the best club midfielders in that position Tyrone. For me the best club midfielders and most dominant are Gormley and Brian Meenan. Dont be at all surprised to see Gormley start in the middle with Sean.
An interesting onew by Harte. I would be excited about a Cavanagh / Gormley midfield to be honest, but Enda has been Tyrone best over the league. one fear I do have was Conor not sdupposed to be 50/50 and enda 50 /50?
Tir Eoghain to sink An Dun in Marshes.
Is Brian Meenan your cousin?
Replay: Down v Tyrone
ULSTER CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND, REPLAY
Venue: Pairc Esler, Newry. Date: Saturday, 14 June. Throw-in: 1900 BST.
Coverage: Live on Radio Ulster MW, highlights on Championshp programme on and on the BBC NI website
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Enda McGinley was injured early in last week's game
Enda McGinley will not face Down in Saturday's Ulster SFC replay, despite being named in the Tyrone team on Thursday night, BBC Sport understands.
McGinley has not recovered sufficiently after suffering concussion in the drawn quarter-final tie last Sunday but it is not yet known who will take his place.
Colm Cavanagh and Davy Harte have been passed fit to start for the Red Hands.
Goalkeeper John Devine, PJ Quinn and Ciaran Gourley have all been drafted into the team by manager Mickey Harte.
Pascal McConnell, Damien McCaul and Colin Holmes all lose out.
Down did not announce their team on Thursday night because they are waiting on the result of Martin Cole's appeal.
Martin Cole will be ruled out of Sunday's game and a possible Ulster semi-final unless his four-week ban is overturned.
Cole stated his case before the GAA's Central Appeals Committee hearing at Croke Park on Thursday night but Down were not expected to learn until Friday morning whether his ban remained in place.
Down midfielder Dan Gordon is also a major fitness doubt for Saturday's game because of a reputed broken thumb.
Corner-back PJ Quinn will be making his championship debut for Tyrone.
Ciaran Gourley makes his first appearance of the season at centre back, from where Conor Gormley moves to midfield, to the exclusion of Holmes.
606: DEBATE
Give your thoughts on this weekend's games
Justin McMahon, troubled by a hamstring injury, will also start while Colm Cavanagh has recovered from an ankle sprain and features in the half-forward line.
Davy Harte, who broke his nose in the incident which led to Cole's suspension, resumes his wing-back role.
Sean Cavanagh, who was named at midfield for last weekend's game, but played at full-forward, will this time wear the number 14 shirt.
Down boss Ross Carr's interim relief from an eight week suspension is still likely to apply this weekend.
He awaits a hearing before the Disputes Resolution Authority to fight a ban imposed for allegedly verbally abusing a match referee and that hearing is expected to take place next Thursday.
Dan Gordon suffered the injury during Sunday's 2-8 to 2-8 draw but still went on to win the man-of-the-match award after a superb performance.
Ambrose Rodgers, an impressive sub at Healy Park, is expected to replace Gordon in the Mourne midfield.
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Tyrone: J Devine, R McMenamin, J McMahon, PJ Quinn, D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan, C Gormley, AN Other, B Dooher, B McGuigan, C Cavanagh, M Penrose, S Cavanagh
Quote from: orangeman on June 12, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 12, 2008, 10:18:29 PM
His brother Frank was as good as i seen hitting frees! Does he still hit them for the Bo?
Frank is not only a great free taker but a great player as well - is still playing very well and hitting frees for us alright. Tommy is not bad the frees either and Stevie Coney still takes the odd fifty.
Too right Frank is a fantastic free taker, I have saw him score frees with the left never mind the right. He has consistently been the best scorer in club football in Tyrone over the last 10 years in my opinion. I think the Ardboe situation shows how much Tyrone are struggling for a free taker - Tommy was consistently taking frees for Tyrone but there would be no chance of him taking them for Ardboe.
Any word on Monk's appeal? I wouldn't expect him to win it. When will Down name the team? No matter what team is named I wouldn't expect it to field as named.
No bother getting tickets but I still expect the game to sell out. Theres huge interest all around south Down.
Is the game on TV?
According to today's Indo, DJ KANE has been handed an additional 6 month touchline ban !
This story is just not funny anymore !
Our association is now becoming a laughing stock...it's as if there are players+managers on trial every week...before we know it they will be calling spectators infront of the CCCC for cursing at matches or shouting abuse at referees...they could be very busy!!!!
Quote from: D4S on June 13, 2008, 10:42:43 AM
Our association is now becoming a laughing stock...it's as if there are players+managers on trial every week...before we know it they will be calling spectators infront of the CCCC for cursing at matches or shouting abuse at referees...they could be very busy!!!!
The suits are ruining the game - many of them wouldn't know what it is like to be managing a team and dealing with the pressures of this. It's time they took a step or two back amd reasessed the situation.
Just chatting to 1 of the down players...coles appeal was unsuccessful he's out for 4 weeks! Disgrace!
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Match Betting
70 Mins Betting
Selection Price
Down 7/4
Draw 15/2
Tyrone 4/7
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - To Qualify For Ulster Semi Final
Selection Price
Down 6/4
Tyrone 1/2
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Handicap Betting
Selection Hcp Price
Down +2 10/11
Tie +2 15/2
Tyrone -2 11/10
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Handicap Betting i
Selection Hcp Price
Down +5 1/4
Tie +5 14/1
Tyrone -5 3/1
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Handicap Betting ii
Selection Hcp Price
Down +1 7/5
Tie +1 15/2
Tyrone -1 5/7
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Handicap Betting iii
Selection Hcp Price
Down -1 9/4
Tie -1 15/2
Tyrone +1 4/9
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Handicap Betting iv
Selection Hcp Price
Down +7 1/12
Tie +7 12/1
Tyrone -7 15/2
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Double Result
Selection Price
Down - Down 7/2
Down - Draw 25/1
Down - Tyrone 6/1
Draw - Down 16/1
Draw - Draw 40/1
Draw - Tyrone 11/1
Tyrone - Down 7/1
Tyrone - Draw 14/1
Tyrone - Tyrone 6/5
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Winning Margin
Selection Price
Down 1-2 5/1
Down 3-4 13/2
Down 5-6 11/1
Down 7-8 18/1
Down 9-10 35/1
Down 11-12 80/1
Down 13-14 150/1
Down 15-16 250/1
Tyrone 1-2 9/2
Tyrone 3-4 5/1
Tyrone 5-6 6/1
Tyrone 7-8 9/1
Tyrone 9-10 16/1
Tyrone 11-12 33/1
Tyrone 13-14 66/1
Tyrone 15-16 100/1
Draw 15/2
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Total Goals
Selection Price
Under 1.5 11/8
Over 1.5 8/15
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Exact Number Of Goals
Selection Price
No Goals 13/2
Exactly 1 9/4
Exactly 2 5/2
Exactly 3 9/2
Exactly 4 7/1
5 Or More 8/1
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Score First - Lead H/T - Win F/T
Selection Price
Tyrone - Tyrone - Tyrone 11/4
Down - Tyrone - Tyrone 10/3
Down - Down - Down 13/2
Tyrone - Down - Down 7/1
Down - Down - Tyrone 10/1
Tyrone - Down - Tyrone 10/1
Down - Tyrone - Down 12/1
Tyrone - Tyrone - Down 12/1
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Team To Score 1st Goal
Selection Price
Down 13/10
No Goal 13/2
Tyrone 5/6
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Team To Score 1st Point
Selection Price
Down EVS
Tyrone 4/5
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Half Time Result
Selection Price
Down 19/10
Draw 11/2
Tyrone 8/13
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Draw No Bet
70 Minutes
Selection Price
Down 6/4
Tyrone 1/2
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Highest Scoring Half
Selection Price
First Half EVS
Second Half EVS
Tie 15/2
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Team Specials
Selection Price
Down To Win Both Halves 13/2
Tyrone To Win Both Halves 7/4
Down To Score 1st Goal & Win In 70 Minutes 7/2
Tyrone To Score 1st Goal & Win In 70 Minutes 11/8
No Goal To Be Scored & Down Win In 70 Minutes 18/1
No Goal To Be Scored & Tyrone Win In 70 Minutes 10/1
Match To Finish A Draw & Down Qualify 24/1
Match To Finish A Draw & Tyrone Qualify 11/1
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Scoring Specials
Selection Price
Down To Score A Goal 1/2
Tyrone To Score A Goal 1/3
Down Not To Score A Goal 6/4
Tyrone Not To Score A Goal 2/1
A Goal To Be Scored Direct From A Penalty 6/1
A Penalty To Be Saved Or Missed 10/1
Any Sub To Score A Goal 6/1
Ulster SFC - Down v Tyrone 14 Jun 19:00 - Red Card Specials
Selection Price
Any Player To Be Sent Off 11/8
Any Down Player To Be Sent Off 3/1
Any Tyrone Player To Be Sent Off 10/3
A Player From Both Teams To Be Sent Off 8/1
No Player To Be Sent Off 8/15
Enda out, id presume joe will be in:
Enda McGinley will not face Down in Saturday's Ulster SFC replay, despite being named in the Tyrone team on Thursday night, BBC Sport understands.
McGinley has not recovered sufficiently after suffering concussion in the drawn quarter-final tie last Sunday but it is not yet known who will take his place.
What TV coverage . radio coverage is being devoted to this game. Is there anything live?
You can get 2/1 Down, in hughes bookies in warrenpoint
1/1 Down +3 1/1 Tyrone -3
Any prices for first goalscorers?
No dont think so....was lookin online and paddypower isnt even giving any, he did last week!
Quote from: orangeman on June 13, 2008, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: D4S on June 13, 2008, 10:42:43 AM
Our association is now becoming a laughing stock...it's as if there are players+managers on trial every week...before we know it they will be calling spectators infront of the CCCC for cursing at matches or shouting abuse at referees...they could be very busy!!!!
The suits are ruining the game - many of them wouldn't know what it is like to be managing a team and dealing with the pressures of this. It's time they took a step or two back amd reasessed the situation.
or as tony davis called them last sunday night 'the committee boys with their blazers'
looks like its def not on tv, checked listings for bbc, rte 1 + 2, tg4 and tv3 and no sign of it
Is the highlights on BBC that night or just on the championship the next day with the Cavan game?
So is Gordon out for defo or does it depend on whether he gets his finger out at training?
Paddy Power Betting
B Coulter 13 - 2
No Goalscorer 6 - 1
C McCullagh 13 - 2
R Sexton 10 - 1
S Cavanagh 15 - 2
J Clarke 11 - 1
M Penrose 9 - 1
D Hughes 14 - 1
C Cavanagh 11 - 1
R Murtagh 14 - 1
B McGuigan 16 - 1
A Rodgers 18 - 1
B Dooher 16 - 1
J Fegan 20 - 1
C Gormley 33 - 1
J Lynch 40 - 1
C Holmes 40 - 1
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2008, 01:52:22 PM
Is the highlights on BBC that night or just on the championship the next day with the Cavan game?
Before the Cavan game I think.
Dan Gordon it appears hasn't a broken thumb at all - he has a sore thumb good enough but not a broken one - so will be playing tomorrow night.
More confident as well approach. Doesn't matter if Gordon plays or not. The man's temperament is suspect and one misplaced pass early on and his head's down. Ricey should call him a name. Like Flash or Brown.
As time gest closer, I can see this second game suiting Tyrone a little bit more. Whilst I have severe concerns I give a cautious red thumbs up to Mickey and the boys to contain Down and set up a historic Ulster semi final battle with armagh.
Advance Tyrone Fair!
Everyone got their TRAMPS banners ready for tomorrow?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 13, 2008, 05:53:32 PM
Everyone got their TRAMPS banners ready for tomorrow?
OK, I am gonna bite. TRAMPS?
Quote from: Square Ball on June 13, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
OK, I am gonna bite. TRAMPS?
They don't like it any more than regular women in my experience.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 13, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
OK, I am gonna bite TRAMPS?
You bastard. That's a very nasty and sinister thing to say. My best friend's a tr**p.
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2008, 07:31:32 PM
You bastard. That's a very nasty and sinister thing to say. My best friend's a tr**p.
Exactly, what did hardstation do on you?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 13, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
looks like its def not on tv, checked listings for bbc, rte 1 + 2, tg4 and tv3 and no sign of it
it says on aertel that the match is live online. also confirmed on the rte website. coverage starts at 6.58 p.m.
I fail to see that anywhere clarshack, including aertel and rte.ie
Yes, it's on the site. It says Ireland only. Do I live in Ireland?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 13, 2008, 08:00:25 PM
I fail to see that anywhere clarshack, including aertel and rte.ie
on the rte website click on live tv then click on schedule and scroll down a bit.
Quote from: rrhf on June 13, 2008, 12:35:02 PM
What TV coverage . radio coverage is being devoted to this game. Is there anything live?
http://www.q102.fm/ (http://www.q102.fm/)
it's on q fm, got to last weeks's game but working to 6pm on sat so paddy hunter will have to do
It'll all be over this time 2moro.
59+ pages of debate on a replayed Ulster game is some going.
Debate is a strong word.
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2008, 09:49:49 PM
Debate is a strong word.
ONeill's the master of the debate.
If I'm going down, I'm taking you all down :D
I'd like that.
Prediction time:
Tyrone 1-13
Down 2-8
Tyrone 0-01
Down 4-13
An Dun 3-8
Tir Eoghain 1-11
tyrone 1-11 down 1-07
Tyrone 1-11
Down 0-10
Down 2:14 Tyrone 1:15 (aet)
Tyrone 1-15 Down 1-14. Cavanagh to score the winner with a free in injury time. Its nearly impossible to predict what way Tyrone will actually line out. I hope if Cavanagh goes to midfield that we're not left with Hub at full forward, if Hub plays it should be midfield or nowhere. Maybe Tommy McGuigan will play full forward but I wouldnt be totally convinced. He can hit a score though. Would be great to see Brian McGuigan play well. Down's confidence will be up and I think a good start is very important for us.
Tyrone 2-10
Down 1-11
If McComiskey doesnt start tomorrow night (which I dont think he will), the Down management may cost us the game. With him in from the start, I do firmly believe that we can win this by 3 or 4.
Down 2-14
Tyrone 3-12
Quote from: ziggysego on June 13, 2008, 11:28:08 PM
Down 2-14
Tyrone 3-12
9 goals in two games ( down 5, tyrone 4) suggests 2 very bad defences
Down 2-10 Tyrone 2-08
Jackie Lynch and Conor Gormley to get red cards.
John Clarke to be Down top scorer.
Mc Comiskey to get 1-1 in last 10
DJ to give inspirational speech at half-time by videolink
DJ #2 to play the Magners song at the end as we all applaud the team and go forth into the city with smiles the size of Slieve Donard
Dubh driocht has plainly been on the Magners - with our new-look defence, and a forward line which can do without McComiskey, how will Tyrone get within two points of us ?
An Dun 2-11
Tyrone 0-14
Benny to have a stormer & McComiskey to finisg with a tally of 0-4 after coming on approx 10 mins into 2nd half.......
Tír Eoghain: 1-17
An Dún: 0-9
Just an opinion ;)
2 16 - 3 13 aet
replay next Saturday evening
a modern classic unfolds.
Any odds on first player to be booked?
Dan McCartan 1-2
(Hypothetically) I wonder where would a second replay be?
meet half way in lurgan
70 mins Down 2-12 Tyrone 2-12
AET Down 2-16 Tyrone 2-15!!!
John Clarke and Benny will have stormers 2nite scoring 1-5 each...........just wait and see...I dreamt this last nite :D
heard mccartan full back for down and gordon def plays
I hope Mickey dosent regret dropping mc caul who had Clarke in his pocket.
Can someone throw me up some directions to Pairc Esler please? Thanks, never been there before.
Head east on B46/Crockanboy Rd toward Greencastle Rd
Continue to follow Crockanboy Rd 3.6 mi
2. Turn left at A505/Barony Rd
Continue to follow A505 12.3 mi
3. Turn right at A29/Church St
Continue to follow A29
Go through 1 roundabout 6.7 mi
4. Turn left at A29/Cookstown Rd
Continue to follow A29 2.6 mi
5. At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A29/Circular Rd
Continue to follow A29 0.6 mi
6. Turn left at A29/Northland Pl
Continue to follow A29
Go through 2 roundabouts 12.5 mi
7. At The Mall Roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A3/The Mall W
Continue to follow A3 0.4 mi
8. Turn left at A28/Newry Rd
Continue to follow A28 16.7 mi
9. Turn left at A28/Armagh Rd 197 ft
10. At Armagh Road Roundabout, take the 3rd exit and stay on A28/Armagh Rd
Continue to follow A28 1.0 mi
11. Turn left at A28/New St 0.2 mi
12. At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A28/Downshire Rd 282 ft
13. At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A2/Trevor Hill 0.1 mi
14. Slight left at A2 0.4 mi
15. At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A2/Abbey Yard Roundabout 390 ft
16. At William Street Roundabout, take the 1st exit onto A2/Kilmorey St
Continue to follow A2 0.6 mi
17. At Greenbank Roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto Ballinacraig Way 0.1 mi
To: Newry Shamrocks (Pairc Esler)
Ballinacraig Way,Greenbank Industrial Estate, Newry, BT34
Ziggy
You will be approaching from Armagh I presume. Its a straight road from armagh to newry around 18miles.
-Enter Newry at McCanns corner roundabout big roundabout you will see fiveways service station on other side of it. You are going straight through and into town/city centre
-Drive straight ahead around 0.75 mile maybe until you come to the courthouse...at the miniroundabout turn right and then go straight through the next miniroundabout at the Brass Monkey pub.
-Stay in left lane following ring road around towards Warrenpoint
-You could park anywhere around here,less than 10mins walk to pairc esler. It is situated on the warrenpoint side on very edge of town
Thanks guys.
Jesus anport, do you know me or something?
:D :D
No, just typed (greencastle- Pairc Esler) into google maps
Ah, you were dangerously close to my house there and I was getting scared :D
Quote from: orangeman on June 13, 2008, 04:57:56 PM
Dan Gordon it appears hasn't a broken thumb at all - he has a sore thumb good enough but not a broken one - so will be playing tomorrow night.
I fcukin told yiz that 4 days ago!!!! Yiz'll listen in future.
I'll print you out a certificate.
It will be fascinating to see who actually lines out on both sides tonight.
For Tyrone there are injury doubts over Justin Mc Mahon, Tommy, Brian Mc Guigan, Colm Cavanagh, Sean Kavanagh, Enda Mc Ginley, Davy Harte - that's 7 to begin with.
my prediction
An Dun 1-16
Tir Eoghain 2-12
Looks like the match is gonna be shown on the rte website after all as the link is up now
www.rte.ie/gaa/championship (http://www.rte.ie/gaa/championship)
Is BBC2 not showing the match?
does any of yas no if this match is all ticket 2ni?? thinkin of headin up 2 it and thought mite be able to pay into the terrace
well is it all ticket or not??
if not i'll head to it
does anyone know asap please?
moving to different thread
Quote from: Gold on June 14, 2008, 05:07:11 PM
well is it all ticket or not??
if not i'll head to it
does anyone know asap please?
Is all ticket
Quote from: Abble on June 14, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
If you're in the north is it not possible to get seeing this ?! i tested it here for the live hurling on currently and a message is coming up !! (false 203351888 26678681)
Leinster Senior Hurling Championship - Semi-final
Nowlan Park: 16.15, 14 June 2008
Watch LIVE (Ireland Only)
Listen: RTÉ Radio 1 Live Updates (Worldwide)
Éist: RTÉ R na G - Spórt an Lae (Worldwide)
In the North also and having a similar problem.
Word of warning of the one heading from Tyrone. Serious tail back 20 miles outside Newry. Sat here for ages.
Any rumours about the starting Tyrone team?
What time we throwing in at, and which online wireless source will we be using for listening?
7pm. Any word what's causing the traffic?
People are queuing up to meet you zig!
7.15 throw in
Is this match on the wireless?
http://www.q101west.fm/ (http://www.q101west.fm/)
if you like a thick tyrone brogue.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 14, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
http://www.q101west.fm/ (http://www.q101west.fm/)
if you like a thick tyrone brogue.
I don't. In work here, updates will be greatly appreciated. As long as they're advantageous to down...
00 1 to Down. Ambrose Rodgers in first minute
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 14, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
http://www.q101west.fm/ (http://www.q101west.fm/)
if you like a thick tyrone brogue.
I don't. In work here, updates will be greatly appreciated. As long as they're advantageous to down...
Well I would greatly appreciate it if you would consider the 8 hour time difference when posting tips for the horses :( A 4-1 and 8-1 winner is no use to Puck when he's sleeping the sleep of the contented. ;)
sorry puck i tried ringing but your phone must have been on silent!!
0 00 to 0 02 to tyrone Rodgers point disallowed
0 02 to 0 03 to tyrone. Scoreboard fcukin about according to ger canning
0 02 to 0 04. Ryan Mellon scores
0 02 to 0 05 Colm Cavanagh scores his 3rd free. 3/4 so far looks good of his right.
who's lined out where? dan gordon? dan mccartan?
Gordom Midfield no strappin. Havent haerd Mc cartans name yet 0 03 to 0 05
Harte doesn look too bad for a boy with a broken nose >:(
mc eneany doin down no favours so far. Gordon fouled, let go and tyrone have their 8th scorable free. 0 03 to 0 07 5 from frees for tyrone only one for down
free to down. Doyle converts 0 05 to 0 07
down on the come back
d rafferty yellow card fould cavanagh
0 05 to 0 07 Doyle another free. Sorry got the score wrong last time
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
free to down. Doyle converts 0 05 to 0 07
Delayed commentary? He scored it there now on 1341MW
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 07:41:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
free to down. Doyle converts 0 05 to 0 07
Delayed commentary? He scored it there now on 1341MW
Sorry green man see my last post
Gordon scores 0 06 to 0 07. Canning sayin scoreboard still fcukin about
all square. Murphy scores a beaut
all square, hope its not tyrone going to throw another lead away
first score for tyrone in 16 minutes
Sean cavanagh score 0 08 to 0 07 tp tyrone cavanagh fluffs a goal chance
time to get another can from the fridge
lucky ****. i'm in work here depressed as f**k!
K McGourty analysing on Radio Six Counties. He's in everything but the crib that man.
ht yet?
diddnt think Down stood a chance, but then again its only half time
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 07:55:37 PM
lucky ****. i'm in work here depressed as f**k!
btw the stout is nice
Live score on the BBC web site shows 07 to 07 yet when I refresh it shows Down 06 Tyrone 07. CAn you have points deducted now??? ;D
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 07:59:41 PM
K McGourty analysing on Radio Six Counties. He's in everything but the crib that man.
You'd be surprised, by the talk of him, he certainly reckons he was there too.
rte shows 8-7!!
Penrose 9-7
this game on any telly station?
looks like it going to the wire
that was a smasher
down super sub warming up
whos been doing the scoring for down?
come on mccomiskey!
Great score by Danny Hughes. Some lovely long range passes from Liam Doyle as well
kevin hughes of peter donnelly on
Peter Donnelly on and Kevin Hughes of....18k in Park Esler tonight
DOWN 0-10 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-1, L Doyle 0-4, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1)
TYRONE 0-09 (C Cavanagh 0-4, S Cavanagh 0-2, R Mellon 0-1, C McCullagh 0-1, M Penrose 0-1)
level!
cheers square ball
missed the start of half. Minor emergency. Murphy lucky to get away with a high shoulder. 0 10 apiece?
That McCullough 'point' was dubious enough i thought.
how long is left?
Think McCullough levelled but Down from a free back one up.
Goal!n.....but ref pulls it back for a free ro Tyrone...and scores. LEvel.
QuoteDOWN 0-10 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-1, L Doyle 0-4, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1)
thats the second game that benny is quiet
Scoreboard messed up again!
Down back one up......a free.
if its a draw at FT what happens? another reply?
19mins left
Extra time SB...
Donnelly gives away anothre free kick. Aidan Carr misses though.
Coulter.....2 up.
Tyrone is deep trouble!
Only McGuigan can save the day now.
Coulters first point. off the upright Down 0 13 tryone 0 11
Quote from: gerry on June 14, 2008, 08:24:52 PM
QuoteDOWN 0-10 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-1, L Doyle 0-4, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1)
thats the second game that benny is quiet
should have kept my mouth shout
What a miss!
Ohhhh....post joe mc mahon.
some craic this game.
tommy on ryan mellon of
score and how long left?!
mc cullogh puts a free wide. Tyrone maybe in trouble 22 mins played
13 minutes left
Tyrone in serious trouble here
down 13 tyrone 11
Benny Coulter 14-11
Coulter fisted point 0 14 to 0 11
9 mins to go
come on tyrone, keep the faith
Tommy mc guigan on not sure who for. Scores a free. Mc Kernan scores for down. still 3 in it
come on down, how's mccomiskey doing? shouldn't have mentioned benny!
mc comisky quiet enough. made a ggod pass there but mc kernan puts it out. Its a 45
DOWN 0-16 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-3, L Doyle 0-5, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1, B Coulter 0-2, K McKernan 0-1)
TYRONE 0-12 (C Cavanagh 0-4, S Cavanagh 0-3, R Mellon 0-1, C McCullagh 0-2, M Penrose 0-1, T McGuigan 0-1)
Carr puts it over!! 4 in it
Difficult to see Tyrone salvaging this one.
5 minutes left
what a hit
Why is Gary reilly not still on the squad.... By far the best midfielder in Tyron
tommy mc guigan score. 3 in it
WTF
THIS ISN'T GOOD FOR MY CONDITION. HOW LONG LEFT
dooher missed
2 minutes of normal
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RTE bastards have switched off the server - just when I was about to praise them for a very positive service!
No picture
1 pointer. come on tyrone
My web player just stopped WTF??
jus lost the fcukin feed. What's the latest?
Come on lads one more!
Dan McCartan sent off!
2 min injury
Back online!
tyrone free. come on tommy
Tyrone 45m free
will take extra time!! come on d fcuk..
extra time
GET IN THERE TOMMY MY SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wont work
Radio Ulster
all square
Four point comeback - Down - the RTE of Ulster football!
Never a free there!!!
Full tiime. Extra time coming up
Fair fcuks to Tyrone. Even with what sounded like a bad miss from Dooher, they clawed it back with points in the last few minutes.
work god dam you work
is it over then? extra time? f**k me!
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 14, 2008, 08:45:20 PM
Come on lads one more!
Dan McCartan sent off!
What happened?
feck what a game to be stuck at home
Quote from: gerry on June 14, 2008, 08:48:56 PM
feck what a game to be stuck at home
or in work!
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 14, 2008, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 14, 2008, 08:45:20 PM
Come on lads one more!
Dan McCartan sent off!
What happened?
Dan Rafferty sent off not McCartan.
Jerome Q wearing his tyrone shirt as usual. "Brillant display by the walking wounded to come back"
DOWN 0-16 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-3, L Doyle 0-5, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1, B Coulter 0-2, K McKernan 0-1)
TYRONE 0-16 (C Cavanagh 0-4, S Cavanagh 0-3, R Mellon 0-1, C McCullagh 0-2, M Penrose 0-1, T McGuigan 0-5)
Hope I didnt perforate the baby's ear drum when McGuigan hit that last free!
That 40ft trailer behind the flag has a flat tyre
is ti ten or fifteen each way? what if its still level after et? do we get penalties like uuj a few years back?
They've blew it.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
is ti ten or fifteen each way? what if its still level after et? do we get penalties like uuj a few years back?
I think its 10 each way. That might be just the qualifiers though
Quote from: Donagh on June 14, 2008, 08:53:48 PM
They've blew it.
yeah tyrone have blew it, shuda finished down off
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
is ti ten or fifteen each way? what if its still level after et? do we get penalties like uuj a few years back?
I think its 10 each way. That might be just the qualifiers though
10 each way
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
is ti ten or fifteen each way? what if its still level after et? do we get penalties like uuj a few years back?
I think its 10 each way. That might be just the qualifiers though
Ger Canning says 10 minutes!
Down for Ulster?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 14, 2008, 08:56:11 PM
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
is ti ten or fifteen each way? what if its still level after et? do we get penalties like uuj a few years back?
I think its 10 each way. That might be just the qualifiers though
Ger Canning says 10 minutes!
10 it is then
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 08:47:49 PM
Never a free there!!!
I have never seen such a poor performance from Pat Mc Eneaney. got to feel for Down, they will do very well to rally again
Tommy Mcc Guigan is a hero in Tyrone at the moment
keep her lit tommy, send over another few points
rte feed seems to be back
Jerome still crying over injuries
tis back thank god,
have they 15 on?
how darks it up there??
yes tommy
someone tell Down that the game has started
ffs throwing it away
Can't believe I'm rooting for Down. Fr O'Connell told me one time that would be a grave sin.
go jordon go
Quote from: Donagh on June 14, 2008, 09:03:49 PM
Can't believe I'm rooting for Down. Fr O'Connell told me one time that would be a grave sin.
youn in Down Donagh, it happened to me as well
yes , prayers answered
Typical fecking Tyrone
tyrone running away with it. 4 up
Quote from: Louth Exile on June 14, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 08:47:49 PM
Never a free there!!!
I have never seen such a poor performance from Pat Mc Eneaney. got to feel for Down, they will do very well to rally again
Tommy Mcc Guigan is a hero in Tyrone at the moment
You should have seen him ref the Laois v Wicklow match...he was brutal
Get DJ in for one of his inspirational team talks, hope he's been watching any given sunday
back to 3. Carr free
Down point. Benny.
benny the fecker with 8 minutes gone
Looked wide to me
is that in addition to hardstations??
Hehe... Benny ye wee ginger bollox ya :D
why the f**k didnt they show this match?? sounds pure box office!
fecker
GOAL BENNY
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
f**k!!
Cmon Benny!!!!!
who scudded tyronme earlier mentioning benny?
McGee on for Tyrone. Point for down. Doyle
where wud a replay be by chance??? come on tommy aris
DOWN 1-19 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-4, L Doyle 0-6, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1, B Coulter 1-3, K McKernan 0-1)
TYRONE 0-20 (C Cavanagh 0-4, S Cavanagh 0-4, R Mellon 0-1, C McCullagh 0-3, M Penrose 0-1, T McGuigan 0-6, P Jordan 0-1)
Jerome nearly in tears (again)
some game all the same.
How da f**k can you get 2mins of injury time from 10mins play and only 1min sometimes from 35mins play ???
its FROZEN
fecking song everywhere
its gone now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
what a game
Whose the p***k in the yellow tie?
feeds gone ta fcuk again >:(
is it just me?
Down for the Ulster final
whats the light situation?
Lost the picture as well. C'mon RTE sort it out!!
wonder what spillane will say about the ulster c'ship tomoro night
aagggggggggggggg :'(
come on lads, to many misses
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 09:19:03 PM
wonder what spillane will say about the ulster c'ship tomoro night
The usual condiscending shite
We're back!!
Down up 1. 5 mins left
is anyone else getting some wee bloke with his da?
working now
Great to see cavanagh caught out!! Divin bollox!!
spoke too soon. gone again!!!
jesas 4 minutes left
Wide. Tommy McG
I cant even see it and im stilled gripped by the tension of it!! :o
starting the match again?
Collie Holmes? Jazus I thought he was pensioned off years ago...
Where's Leslie Crowther when you need him!
Sport on RTE news, what da fuk!
whats the score?
9th minute
DOWN 1-19 (A Rodgers 0-1, A Carr 0-4, L Doyle 0-6, D Gordon 0-1, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke 0-1, D Hughes 0-1, B Coulter 1-3, K McKernan 0-1)
TYRONE 0-20 (C Cavanagh 0-4, S Cavanagh 0-4, R Mellon 0-1, C McCullagh 0-3, M Penrose 0-1, T McGuigan 0-6, P Jordan 0-1)
wides at the wrong time >:(
feck it not looking good
1 19 to 21 points. Down 45
any injury time??
10.5 minute
over
All over. Down win
score?
All over Down to face cavan or the old enemy!!!
fair dos to Down, never thought they could pull it off
feck it will have to switch the phone of now. away to the pub
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 09:27:57 PM
All over Down to face cavan or the old enemy!!!
Down Armagh semi. Cant say I'm sorry to see Tyrone and their tactics out of Ulster. Refreshing is probably the word.
Hell of a game! Well deserved Down.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
after all that. fair play to the boys for clawing back those 4 pts in normal time. old adage goals win games. going to be hard to pick up after these 2 games. some lift for Down all the same. tails will be up for the semi final.
Down Derry Ulster final ;)
fair play to Down, are Tyrone finished?
Fair play to Down. Can't say I expected too much from them myself, but a hard-fought win like that should bring them on a good bit.
Unbelievablw win, i take it semi v cavan/armagh would be clones/casement or the like?
feck me, i will have to listen to all those Down men at training in the morning, will have to go to the pub and take some abuse now.
Ach the things you have to do.
Casement tomorrow anyone?
Hopefully Down slay Armagh, and that'll be the 'catenaccio' teams of Ulster gone
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
Down Derry Ulster final ;)
Rubbish! This is the year of the underdog. Fermanagh to reach their first Ulster final since 82. Fermanagh Down final
Well a 3rd year in a row Tyrone get beaten by a "weaker" team - Are people still claiming they are in the top 2/3 anymore?
Quote from: hardstation on June 14, 2008, 09:47:25 PM
Jesus. Is anyone else still buzzing?
yip, some game, hope tomorrows game is half as good as that, with different winners of course.
Superb result for Down, have they improved that much this year or have tyrone regressed?
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 14, 2008, 09:47:25 PM
Jesus. Is anyone else still buzzing?
yip, some game, hope tomorrows game is half as good as that, with different winners of course.
2 different teams playin. has to be different winners ;D
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Rubbish! This is the year of the underdog. Fermanagh to reach their first Ulster final since 82. Fermanagh Down final
Wasn't it 82 when Derry were cruising to an Ulster Final, and Fermanagh came back and won? I believe that Fermangh wore Green shirts and Red togs them days
Woah, exciting stuff. Could have stolen the game, but the better team won.
Right, can some one please explain why Down were able to start extra time with 15 men?
Quote from: hardstation on June 14, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
He means Antrim - Down.
Apologies Square. Dont follow the annual Down Antrim hurling get together with the same enthusiasm. I will concede, however, that I jumped on the Derry bandwagon, albeit very briefly, few years back. But then antrim came back an fcuked it all up by resoring the natural order
An chance of a short rundown, just in from work, seems like i missed a good one!! Rippin >:(
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2008, 09:59:31 PM
Right, can some one please explain why Down were able to start extra time with 15 men?
My understanding has always been that it is considered to be a new game, even though its played on the same day and only lasts 20 mins
Please God I never have to to go through an other radio game ( hats off puckoon for the link ) nerves totally gone plus I'm locked and the Mrs. is due in from work in about 15 mins . i'm dead and I dont care ;D Wwould have loved to have been there . ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Downredblack won't be allowed back on the net for a week! ;)
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2008, 09:59:31 PM
Right, can some one please explain why Down were able to start extra time with 15 men?
Because thems the rules ;)
It's considered a new game as someone said ... BUT
apparently if you get a yellow card in ordinary time and another in extra time you get sent off???
An exciting night i bPáirc Esler but RTE.ie did their best to fcuk it up - going off altogether for the last 5 mins of normal time and then the second half of extra time... no pictures, 2 sounds and every so often some lad would start doing a report on the game.
Still a good win eventually for Down but I think the oul mileage on the clock is telling on Tyrone as they arent able to see out the big battles anymore.
I still hope we dont get them in the Qualifiers though .
Ziggy, thought you were at the game? You on a blackberry or some other technological miracle that scares the sh!t outa me??
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Rubbish! This is the year of the underdog. Fermanagh to reach their first Ulster final since 82. Fermanagh Down final
Wasn't it 82 when Derry were cruising to an Ulster Final, and Fermanagh came back and won? I believe that Fermangh wore Green shirts and Red togs them days
Yep, beaten by Armagh in the final. Fermangh did indeed wear green and red back then. They changed to green and white in the mid to late 80's
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 10:08:51 PM
Ziggy, thought you were at the game? You on a blackberry or some other technological miracle that scares the sh!t outa me??
its called a phone Jodyb ;)
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on June 14, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Rubbish! This is the year of the underdog. Fermanagh to reach their first Ulster final since 82. Fermanagh Down final
Wasn't it 82 when Derry were cruising to an Ulster Final, and Fermanagh came back and won? I believe that Fermangh wore Green shirts and Red togs them days
Yep, beaten by Armagh in the final. Fermangh did indeed wear green and red back then. They changed to green and white in the mid to late 80's
I think derry were beat in the first round up in irvinestown that year - i think it was my first game, unless they lost to fermanagh two years in a row. We've handed out some amount of hammerings to them since then though.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2008, 10:06:14 PM
Downredblack won't be allowed back on the net for a week! ;)
Theres always work Zzig ;) but I'm hoping she is going to come through the door and say "i dont care that your drunk , up Down . Supose I should go to Bed and dream there . :)
Wireless phones Jody. One of these new fangled things. Don't think it'll catch on though.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Wireless phones Jody. One of these new fangled things. Don't think it'll catch on though.
Ziggy don't mean to gloat or anything, but...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6859.45 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6859.45)
Hehe...
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2008, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: jodyb on June 14, 2008, 10:08:51 PM
Ziggy, thought you were at the game? You on a blackberry or some other technological miracle that scares the sh!t outa me??
its called a phone Jodyb ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Wireless phones Jody. One of these new fangled things. Don't think it'll catch on though.
Ah ffs boys what wud I no? Sure i only got a mobile about 6 months ago an that was just at the missus insistence, so that she cud keep an eye on me!!
See the BBC has Down being reduced to ten men in the second half ::)
did anyone else think the ref was poor
Quote from: D4S on June 14, 2008, 12:36:19 PM
70 mins Down 2-12 Tyrone 2-12
AET Down 2-16 Tyrone 2-15!!!
John Clarke and Benny will have stormers 2nite scoring 1-5 each...........just wait and see...I dreamt this last nite :D
Not bad D4S, close enough to get the cigar.
But I bet the dream didn't quite capture the nail biting drama.
Just in there now with a fish supper and a six pack of magners, never as happy to sit in on a saturday nite! The lads showed great character to come back from being 4 up, to level then 4 down in extra time and grind out a win. A game of swings and roundabouts and luckily we came out on top, all credit to the panel, management and Ricey for a great assist!
Quote from: superblues on June 14, 2008, 10:33:40 PM
did anyone else think the ref was poor
I thought he had a shite game, infact i thought he was anti down. The seemed to be half killed before they got their free. He's a complete gobshite is our Pat.
What a game, a real classic, they wont get entertainment like that at the European Championships or in the so called Premiership. Great night to be a Downman, we will enjoy it for a while, while sparing a thought for Tyrone, they were lion-hearted tonight and would have deserved a draw. I suspect we have not seen the last of them this year, they will break a few hearts in the qualifiers. Meanwhile us Down men will start to dream, sober analysis can be left to later
i think we lost this one on the line. I'm still lost as to what tactics MH sent that team out with tonight. To keep big Sean in full forward for that length of time was criminal. Totally wasted in there. I was in line with him for the second half and he was totally frustrated.
A side to get goals are hard to beat and a Down team with cofidence is very hard to beat.....!
they beat us (louth) in the league at the death with a goal.......just when you think they are dead and buried,out of it they get a goal against the run of play
its a characteristic in this side and fair play to Ross carr and DJ Kane two down stalwarts who thought their team to play with guile and honesty!
dark horses for ulster! and then who knows!!
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 14, 2008, 10:15:52 PM
I think derry were beat in the first round up in irvinestown that year - i think it was my first game, unless they lost to fermanagh two years in a row. We've handed out some amount of hammerings to them since then though.
Not too sure what round it was. Mickey Moran was over them
along with the oul fella. Frankie Johnson drop kicked a line ball/free kick into a Fermanagh player, they scored from that and won.
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 11:42:50 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 14, 2008, 10:15:52 PM
I think derry were beat in the first round up in irvinestown that year - i think it was my first game, unless they lost to fermanagh two years in a row. We've handed out some amount of hammerings to them since then though.
Not too sure what round it was. Mickey Moran was over them along with the oul fella. Frankie Johnson drop kicked a line ball/free kick into a Fermanagh player, they scored from that and won.
I'm guessing that since it was in irvinestown it wouldn't have been a semi-final anyway, that's frankie the slaughtmanus man? Doctor?
Couldn't make the game tonight, well done Down, and good luck for the rest of it. Believe Mc Enaney was horrific, he's excelling himself these days.
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 14, 2008, 11:51:22 PM
I'm guessing that since it was in irvinestown it wouldn't have been a semi-final anyway, that's frankie the slaughtmanus man? Doctor?
Defo Slaughtmanus, not sure if he's a doctor. The oul fella still spits when he talks about that game. You could be right, that the game was in Irvinestown
Just home from the game, Down thoroughly deserved their win, you could see how much it meant to the players at the end, Benny was jumping up and down like a madman!
The referee was awful, the Down players had to be beaten alive before they got the free, whilst tyrone got a number of soft frees, especially near the end of normal time.
Did anyone see Dooher kiss his man on the cheek, what was that about? :o
If theres a better game this year, i pray to good that im at it.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 14, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
See the BBC has Down being reduced to ten men in the second half ::)
I think you mean 14 men ;)
What a game!!! The adrenalin is still flying!!!
Men of the match for Down:
- Benny Coulter - most direct forward, great to see ponits from play - and of course the goal
- Murphy - really got under Doohers skin - had him rattled throughout - the Golden Boy even resorted to diving - not a thing Tyrone are renowned for ;D
- Dan Gordon - great display despite being hampered by injury
- Liam Doyle - great engine, kept it going til the end - brilliant free taking under pressure
- Ambrose Rogers - player of the 2 games on aggregate - McEnaney wouldn't give him a free all night - went to the end - won a great possession in the fourth period at the death - brilliant
- Ross & DJ - INSTILLED SOME BELIEF - despite conceding 8 points without reply - from 0-12 to 0-16 to 0-20 to 0-16 they still kept going!!!
Unbelievable referring from McEnaney - played for a draw in normal time - has to be the man in the big picture. 4th period was a free for all - you couldn't buy a free - think the bad light got to him!!
An Dun Abu!!!
Fair play to Down. Mickey Harte is one of the best GAA managers ever. Now its time for him to move on. The team needs a good shake up.
As an Armagh neutral at tonight's game, thought it was a great game to watch. It see-sawed so many times, with Down deserving winners. Ref was downright poor, gave Tyrone too many cheap frees.
The more cynical among us would say McEnaney is an over-rated ref and its impossible to play against Tyrone or Armagh if he's reffin.
Quote from: the green man on June 14, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Hopefully Down slay Armagh, and that'll be the 'catenaccio' teams of Ulster gone
Shouldnt rise to this kind of trip but really what are you on? Tyrone ran up 0-21 tonight and contributed to a superb game, only a fool would be suggesting they are a negative team. The catenaccio is hardly working either if they conceded 1-19 ;D ;D. Clown. Go and watch a DVD of the 2005 championship as well, a whole series of classic open matches.
Inevitable that Mickey is going to take some stick but I hope people are reasonable and remember what he has done for Tyrone in the last few years. The performances since 2005 have not been great but fate has not been kind with all the selection problems. Ultimately the full forward line of Canavan, O'Neill and Mulligan was massive for Tyrone and without them its a shadow of the team. McGuigan's problems we all know about, he did well to even be on the park these last 2 games. With a bit of luck Tyrone will be dangerous opponents in the qualifiers but no real prospect of anything more than that.
Well done to Down, great spirit over the two games having been in trouble on a few occasions and still coming back to go through. They have been underachieving in recent times given they have some really excellent footballers and maybe now they are on the up again. Hopefully this isnt the peak for them (like 99 for example) and they go on to have a really good championship. Potential is there to cause a lot of bother for most teams.
any word on were the semi final will take place or will it just b clones no matter if cavan or armagh win?
They are singin on the streets of Newry tonite! That drink does awful things!
"The men in red and black are back bellies full of fire
We're going down to Dublin to bring back the Sam Maguire"
A truly exilharating game of football, even if McEnaneny tried his best to ruin it.
Down's half-back line were outstanding to a man. Murphy utterly dominated Dooher, Doyle excelled in nearly everything he did, and as for Carr, well he started off well, and get progressively better with every minute.
Our midfield was genuinely impressive until Peter Donnelly came on and shook things up very well (although possibly aligned with the knocks that Dan took early on slowing him down). What was noticeable was that a one-handed Dan Gordon is possibly even more effective than the two-handed version. In the first half, every time he broke the ball, it was straight into a Down player's hands.
I was well pleased with McCartan's performance. It was a great example of how niggling and perseverance can gain rewards. Cavanagh would ruin any full-back in Ireland given a good supply of ball, and on what he received today would have scored at least 3 points on anyone, so Daniel can keep his head very high.
Up front, Danny Hughes was easily the pick of the bunch. He absolutely tortured McMahon for pace and gave his half-backs a great option time and time again. Coulter put on more a series of cameos than a performance, but here, I'd take those cameos every week.
For Tyrone, Penrose was again scarily effective, if under-used. Harte and Jordan were hugely involved in comparison to the drawn game. Aside from the mother of all f**k ups for the goal, Ricey was generally splendid. McGuigan and Donnelly made big impacts when they came on, while if Cavanagh could have cloned himself and sent one out to midfield, the Red Hands would be in an Ulster Final. Two Sean Cavanaghs in any team would be hugely unfair on the opposition though.
But, I'd agree with Tyrone comments that it's time for Harte to move on. He's probably the best manager in the country, but his team don't seem to have the same dynamic they once had. Whilst you couldn't fault them for effort, I don't think his players buy into his ideas the same way the once did. The workrate was there, but the intensity wasn't... if you know what I mean.
Back from the game, and in the bar some people were saying that it was better than Celtic Park in 94. Not sure about that, but it was fantastic anyway. While it has not been easy being a Down supporter over the last ten or 12 years, this was what it is all about. God bless them all, and I can't wait to see Benny's goal on tv.
I listened to the game on Five FM. Thank God for the internet. Sounded like a great game. I can't wait to see it on Setanta NA on Tuesday night. UP DOWN!!!!!'
Mrs. redandblack4ever
Only two hours or so back and still on the buzz of what was the best game of football I've seen this year - and it's tough saying that after the quality of some of the Sigerson games and Jordanstown's march to success.
Mickey Harte was leaning towards injuries as being an excuse for the loss but as Liam Doyle said afterwards it's not the last we have seen of Tyrone this year and he expects them back around come the latter stages of the All-Ireland Series in August.
Hat's off to Tommy McGuigan - Gabriel Hurl you can be proud of your fellow Ardboe man tonight!! Five points in 13 minutes on the field - that's some ratio - and then goes on and scores another in ET.
Lucky to have seen both games and I did call Down to win the replay, but I have to confess I didn't expect an epic of these proportions!!
Down have the momentum to keep going now - expect Cavan to dispose of Armagh later today - you heard it hear first!
Think I've been converted to Ulster football now, it's going to be hard to watch the rest of the Leinster Championship!
I'd the pleasure of being in the Radio box and was squeezed in beside BBC and RTÉ - Pete McGrath was doing RTÉ's analysis and called it down to a tee - that man's knowledge of the game is simply amazing - the commentators came up pretty much trumps today - Owen McConnon only let himself down by thinking it was Daniel McCartan that got sent off when in fact it was Rafferty - Pauric Lodge gave an excellent commentary too for RTÉ.
I've stuck in my report below - waxed lyrical a bit but felt it was worth it! There's also a pic I took from the Radio Box at the full-time whistle - scenes like an All-Ireland final, certainly beats watching Down playing Cork through a gate the last time I was in Newry!!!!!
Ladies game was an humdinger of an affair too!! Fair play to the Tyrone and Down teams and also the supporters that turned up for that one!
Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter-Final Replay
Down 1-19
Tyrone 0-21
By Cóilín Duffy
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Dramatic, an epic, and superb football on an evening where Down footballers sparkled at Páirc Esler in Newry, a rare victory for the Mournesiders over Tyrone in a magical contest that took extra-time before the hosts eventually emerged one point winners, in this Ulster SFC quarter-final replay.
Down manager Ross Carr may have been given another extended period of 'interim relief' from the DRA, as he awaits further news of his eight-week suspension appeal; but Carr experienced relief of a different sort after this game, as he expressed his delight at the nature of this minimum margin result.
The attendance of 18,272 certainly got full value for their money, although some supporters missed out on the dramatics of the closing stages of normal time and the brilliance by both sides in extra-time, after they felt that they had seen enough in the closing stages of the opening 70 minutes.
A 15 minute delay due to traffic congestion just added to the drama and when referee Pat McEnaney eventually got the game underway at 7:15pm, it was sizzling football from the off.
Down's one-point win over Tyrone resembled more like an All-Ireland victory than a first round Ulster tie, such were the scenes of joy witnessed at the full-time whistle.
Ross Carr's men possessed a never say-die attitude and dug deep as Benny Coulter and man of the match Liam Doyle gave inspirational performances, to cement a semi-final spot against either Armagh or Cavan, who meet in the
final Ulster SFC quarter-final tie this afternoon at Kingspan Breffni Park.
Eager to dismiss the critics view, that Down had left the game behind them in last Sunday's encounter at Healy Park, the hosts began this game with vigour and Ambrose Rodgers set the tone with a fisted point after just 28 seconds.
But Tyrone weren't lying down and responded with three points on the trot, as brothers Colm and Sean Cavanagh shared a trio of scores, and helped Tyrone led by 0-3 to 0-1 after six minutes.
Aidan Carr level the minimum between the sides with a Down score, but this was a firm purple patch by Mickey Harte's charges and with the Cavanagh's, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullough on song they could do no wrong.
The sides were level on two occasions during that opening half with both sides certainly fuelled up, but it was Sean Cavanagh's second point, which gave his side an 0-8 to 0-7 cushion at the interval.
Both sides had missed opportunities in the opening stages of the second half before Martin Penrose took his only score of the contest, to give Tyrone a two point lead in as many minutes, after the restart.
The sides were level on three occasions inside the middle third but a Liam Doyle effort saw Down brake clear as the game entered the fourth quarter.
Down certainly had the momentum at this stage and when Coulter sent over his second point, with a fisted effort with ten minutes remaining, it sent the large home support into raptures as they broke into a 0-14 to 0-11 lead.
But this game was far from over and the man who orchestrated the comeback was 57th minute substitute Tommy McGuigan, who really turned the game on it's head and miraculously scored five points in the closing 13 minutes, including four unanswered points, with the all important extra-time clinching one in the third minute of injury-time.
Down had been reduced to 14-men at this stage, following the dismissal of half-back Damien Rafferty, who added a second yellow card to his 24th minute one on the stroke of the 70th minute, as the hosts were down a man.
But they were back to a full complement of players for extra-time with Kevin McGuigan replacing the dismissed Rafferty.
However it was Tyrone who burst out of the blocks in extra-time with four points on the trot inside six minutes, with McGuigan, Sean Cavanagh, Philip Jordan and McCullagh all on target.
The switch of Sean Cavanagh to midfield was certainly proving effective, but Down weren't keen to rest on their laurels as corner forward Coulter masterminded a comeback.
Aidan Carr edged Down within three points of the visitors before a Coulter point, and then a fisted goal from the Mayobridge man, coupled with a fifth Liam Doyle point; edged Down into a two point lead, for the first time in extra-time.
Down lead at half-time of extra-time by 1-19 to 0-20, with Down's Under 21 captain this year James Colgan replacing Daniel McCartan at the break.
Tyrone kept pressing hard at a determined Down side in the second half of extra-time, and although Down failed to get a score in the closing ten minutes, they somehow held out for a fabulous win, despite Colm McCullagh taking his fourth point, just 18 seconds after the restart.
The introduction of Colin Holmes promised much for the Red Handers, but Down weren't too be denied and a pitch invasion as the Sun set on Pairc Esler, was a fitting end to a marvellous Down triumph, but they will be aware that no silverware is won in June and a long road lies ahead.
DOWN: B McVeigh; L Howard, D McCartan, P Murphy (0-1); A Carr (0-4, 3f, 1 45), L Doyle (0-5, 5f), D Rafferty; D Gordon (0-1), J Lynch; A Rodgers (0-1), R Murtagh, D Hughes; J Clarke (0-1), R Sexton, B Coulter (1-3). Subs: P McCumiskey for Lynch (46); K McKernan (0-1) for Clarke (52); S Kearney for Murtagh (69); K McGuigan starts in place of sent off Rafferty for ET; J Colgan for McCartan (HTET); J Clarke for Murphy (90)
TYRONE: J Devine; R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, PJ Quinn; D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan (0-1); C Gormley, Joe McMahon; B Dooher, R Mellon (0-1), C Cavanagh (0-4, 4f); M Penrose (0-1), S Cavanagh (0-4, 1f), C McCullagh (0-4, 1f). Subs: K Hughes for C Cavanagh (inj) (31); P Donnelly for Hughes (46); T McGuigan (0-6, 5f)for Mellon (57); M McGee for Quinn (81); C Holmes for Gourley (82)
REFEREE: Pat McEnaney (Monaghan)
What a night for Down football, I still haven't made it home from the game. Any of the Down players I met tonight had a bit of ambition about them they weren't satisfied with tonights win they want more which is real encouraging. It was a toss up between Paul Murphy and Ambrose for my man of the match. I still find it hard to belive how the management didn't start Murph the first game. Whether Dooher is done or just got more than his fill of it from Murph remains to be seen but Murph dominated him tonight. I'm especially proud of the one legged Benny Coulter for his display tonight, the man doesn't know when to say "I'm injured and can't play". He has played through the pain many times for the Bridge and he done the same for the county tonight.
We are no Ulster Champions yet but the buzz is good, the players have displayed a bit of determination and the Down crowd have responded. We can ask no more.... Come on Down!
I forgot to mention Dan McCartan's great performance. Also someone elso compared this to Celtic Park in 1994, and I feel they are a bit out, the game was very exciting but much more scrappy. Not close to that classic IMHO. Too many wides, too many bad touches, not on the same level.
I also have to commend the Tyrone supporters I met over the two games, they gave everything to their team without being abnoxious and whished Down the best at the end. Fair dues...
Agree with Mallon re comparison with 94. Quality of the football was much poorer but yesterday did surpass 94 for intensity, at no stage did the game go into a sleepy period. We also got 20 mins more than in 94.
laoisgaa gives a super report above and is correct, this will go down a one of the great epics which either side could have won. Have checked the postings on this thread during matchtime (they make great reading). Almost 30 pages in all says something, each subsequent message more emotion filled than the previous. Made me just glad I was there.
I used to rate this McAneany as one of the country's best but yesterday he failed big time. His reffing was so poor there were times I thought his decisions could have led to bust-ups. We can only thank the players who kept their focus and tolerated this inept performance although Down did have the ball moved on against them a couple of times.
I do think Micky Harte's management decisions were poor and probably cost Tyrone the result. Keeping Sean Cavanagh isolated up front for so long was hari-kiri and deprived Tyrone of their best player despite his 4 pts. He made a huge difference in the first 1/2 of ET when he went to midfield but for some reason he was returned to FF for the last 10????
Finally, a word is due to the gracious way the Tyone fans accepted this defeat. It must have been very disapointing but all I met afterwards were only interested in talking about the epic game no ifs or buts mentioned.
Great game and great entertainment but I'm not sure my heart can stand too many nights like that. Down showed great spirit to come back from 4 down in extra time. I thought they were gone at that stage. This game could have been won by either team or finished in a draw again - it was that close. McAneany was inconsistent and was very kind to Tyrone during the last 5 mins of normal time. Roll on the semi final. It's been a while since we've been able to say that.
Some excellent comments and summaries here. Hope the Rover enjoyed his Magners.
I like Tyrone - the team ,management and supporters. They are passionate about their football. So are we. They respect that , and that is why their players,management and supporters were gracious in defeat.
As for performances- there weren't any bad ones .
Paul Murphy is a colossus .Liam Doyle, at his correct position of CHB, is a Rolls Royce defender and a dead-eye dick free-taker.
Ambrose galloped over every blade like a Moneydarragh pony. Aidan Carr is another thoroughbred who shed the father's a legend burden .Kevin Mc Kernan completed that hatrick.Dan has red and black blood.The two Ronans and Daniel must run 15km every game- wish RTE had that software the soccer has. Benny is a God , a legend, the strength of a bull, the determination of two men.John Clarke is the most honest of men, and sums up what's best about Mournemen.
For the first time in my life, I know the three main men behind the team , and if you could bottle the passion these men have for Down football, you could sell it for a fortune. How dare any bollox ever question their integrity.
So, onwards and upwards, sales of Steve Earle and Sharron Shannon will soar, bring on the best from Briffne today and this will be an epic summer.
Jesus lads, ye wond a first round match. lay off the glue for another couple of weeks
Quote from: Uladh on June 15, 2008, 10:10:01 AM
Jesus lads, ye wond a first round match. lay off the glue for another couple of weeks
Which is more than youse did last year , front or back doors, and I don't think you will get much today in Cavan where the sales of carry-out Buckfast will soar like Seany Johnstone's points.
Jesus Uladh let them enjoy it, Sure they must have forgotten what it felt like to win a good toght championship game!!
Great to see! but to progress supporters and players will need to settle down again very quickly. Ulster semi in two weeks!!
As a matter of interest when is it the last time that Down won a first Round Championship Match?
Erm, 2007.
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Congratulations to Down - the glory days in Tyrone are well and truly over.
One of the other journalists said to me last night something about Down not having lost a game under the floodlights in Páirc Esler - is this true? How long are the floodlights there at this stage? 2 or 3 years or more?
this is the first year they are there :o
the semi will be in clones no matter who wins between armagh and cavan
Tyrone have consistantly produced classic games year on year. You really would have to question how Spillane and the southerners go unchallenged when they talk about Tyrones style of play and how it has ruined football. Kerry havent produced anywhere near as good a games.
Justy McMahon should have been switched off Danny Hughes, it made no sense leaving him on a quick small forward. McGee or Swift should have been brought onto him and Justy used out the field. If we could some how get our injuries sorted we could still get a good run in the qualifiers.
People keep saying Tyrone dont have the strength in depth that was talked about a few years ago but I think thats harsh. We have lost O'Neill and Canavan to retirement. Then last night we were missing McGuigan,McGinley,Mulgrew,Mulligan and Colm Cavanagh (only lasted about 20 mins and was injured before the game even started). Thats 7 forwards. How far would Kerry go without Donaghy,Gooch,O'Sullivan,Brosnan,Galvin,Russell and Sheehan?
Well done Down you played your part in an epic epoque- ending battle as all great teams need to go through, and I wish you well
Tyrone we had our day and its over - for many players that have given unparallelled service to the county, for the management who have brought us to the promised land twice. Its sad, its over but we were beat by the aristocracy of Ulster football after a great great battle. We will go so far in the back door but we must realise we need a new team to be built, playing a new system, some will remain and maybe take another Celtic Cross in a new era, and whilst Mickey may wish to remain on for the good of Tyrone football I think he will decide to move on and maybe give it another go in a few years. How could he not be too loyal to the panel that has brought the big results to Tyrone football. How can we expect him to demolish and rebuild? What we seen last night was the dying kick of a great team, that yes were ravaged by injury over the past number of years but thats football - we had won 2 aititles so we cant be greedy - there was probably no more than 2 all irelands in the group of players, some are burnt out mentally, some physically, and some are fine for another few years, but 2 all irelands renders that team and management great and we will never forget their achievements. I doubt if there is a better management in Ulster never mind Tyrone that Mickey but he must move to the side after this year - the next 3 years could be tough. Come back in 6 if he wants he is still a young man, but is he ruthless enough with the older players - I think he has proven that he isnt and that he has struggled to bring forward new talent and new ideas on the back of his major successes.
Our day will come again!!
Was workign last night but was totally gripped by this thread, could only imagine what the match would have been like!
Just caught the end of it on the radio leaving work, sounded nuts! First thing tomorrow morning booking sunday 29th off.
Come on armagh!
1. Congrats to Down. Deserved the game in normal time, let alone extra time. Don't think they will trouble Derry (although I sincerely hope they do!) if they meet though as MF was the difference for them last night.Diver / Doherty / Muldoon etc would give Down all they wanted and more unfortunately.
2. This is by no means the end of the Tyrone team. Bar Dooher the rest still have another 4-5 good years in them, some (Sean, Penrose, Tommy, PJ, Justin) even more. Factor in young MCKenna, Coney and even the keeper from the minors.......the future is bright enough.
3. Harte for once got his tactics ALL wrong last night. Sean Cav at FF is criminal. I firmly believe we would have won that game with Sean at MF and Tommy in the forward line.
4. 7 combinations at MF spells a complete lack of ideas. This should have been sorted out in the league this past 3 years - it wasn't and came back to bite us big style.
5. Cav comes into MF we score 4 on the bounbce. SO MH moves him back to FF - go figure.
6. Colm Cav will never be a big player for Tyrone.
7. Hub is finished.
Ultimatley we were poor last night, lot of errors, most unforced. Poor choices througout the match. Poor tactics and poor shooting.
We will be back though.
Would agree tyroneman, the obituariies for this Tyrone team are a tad premature -- that's not to say we don't have (some severe) issues, but nothing that's beyond repair, ultimately. Some hard decisions need taken, though.
Quote from: Muzz on June 15, 2008, 10:47:08 AM
As a matter of interest when is it the last time that Down won a first Round Championship Match?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
Erm, 2007.
Actually, technically speaking, last year's win over Cavan was in the preliminary round.
The last time they won a first round proper/quarter-final was in 2003 when they went all the way to the Ulster final.
2008 All Ireland Football Championship
SELECTION
Kerry 13/8
Dublin 4/1
Tyrone 9/1
Cork 12/1
Derry 12/1
Galway 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Mayo 20/1
Laois 33/1
Wexford 33/1
Donegal 40/1
Fermanagh 40/1
Meath 40/1
Monaghan 50/1
Westmeath 50/1
Down 66/1
Cavan 80/1
Sligo 150/1
Wicklow 150/1
Kildare 200/1
Limerick 250/1
Longford 300/1
Offaly 300/1
Leitrim 500/1
Louth 500/1
Roscommon 500/1
Clare 1000/1
Tipperary 5000/1
2008-06-29 14:00:00 Each-way bets 1/2 odds first 2
)
Down outplay Tyrone two matches and the difference there is staggering. 9/1 and 66/1!! And Down can afford to lose a match as well.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying to back Down just anyone who back's Tyrone at that price is an eejit ;)
Great win for Down. I wasn't at the match but followed it on the radio. Sounded like a really good game. The qualifiers are looking like a tough route to the Q/Fs now. Monaghan, Meath, Donegal and now Tyrone. There's a lot of good sides in there and all will depend on the draw.
There will be undoubtedly a lot of analysing and debate, but the one prevailing theme should ring true: Down were a lot hungrier for this. For a game and a half, excluding the first 25 mins in omagh, Down wanted this more, they seemed energised, whislt we looked laboured and spent.
I watched both teams come out for extra time; this epitomised the two games in a nutshell: Tyrone trooped out, Down sprinted out, heads up...this was after Tyrone mounting an amazing comeback to force this extra time...it should have been the other way around, Down should have been dejected that they didn't put Tyrone away in normal time; Tyrone were on a roll, there was no spring in their step
Firstly, everyone spoke about our injuries finally clearing up, yet they haunted us more than any other occasion: Mulligan, McGinley, Colm Cavanagh, both McGuigans, Mulgrew....the ghost of Stephen O'Neill still haunts us...
We can't fault the committment of our team, especially the younger ones, they fought back from the dead to take this to the wire, yet Down always seemed to have that edge...
I worry about the hunger and mentality in the camp, i fear they are sick of Harte's voice...the story goes that Mickey spoke at length to Joe McMahon fri night, yet couldn't directly tell him he was on the team until lunchtime sat...Joe's attitude going into the game was, when i spoke to him,- "I'm on anyway, don't know about rest, but couldn't give a f**k anymore"- Joe performed accordingly....he brought disdain and contempt to the tyrone jersey with that shocker of a performance and open goal miss...cheers joe
Throughout both games, the sad reality struck me: Our established stars look a pale shadow of themselves, dooher, ricey, jordan, holmes, conor gormley...the spirit may be willing but the flesh at the moment remains weak...
Think ricey's days look numbered, on every occasion we laboured a few yards behind his man, it's obvious he hasn't the pace for the corner...conor gormley has also look slow and laboured, although he was always of stocky build, he seems slow and heavy...he seemed lost and disinterested in midfield and was pulled all over the forward line by coulter...
I agree, some of harte's tactics were confusing....
1. Why take mellon off when he was flying, he made one run back into defence to dispossess coulter i second half, took a couple of fine catches from midfield, yet he was hauled off?? i actually thought he should have been moved into midfield at half time...
2. Why was brian mcguigan not introduced?? was he injured?? i actually agreed with decision not t start him, as i thought he may have been more effective from bench...
3. Hindsight is a great thing to have in respect of Tommy decision....he simply should be congratulated on his performance, especially that last min kick to send game to extra time...
4. I thought sean had one of his best ever games in a tyrone jersey, he was simply class whenever he go the ball....we needed him in at full forward, yet it highlighted all the qualities he brings around midfield. we missed those...
5. McCullagh confirmed for me what i always thought, when it comes to the crunch, he is not aggressive or forceful enough, i seen him opt out of the ball on a no. of occasions, Joe Brolly is right, when it comes to the decisive moments, we find out the true man and player: McCullagh was cold and looked like a soccer player last night, he only plays in spurts, like we seen in drawn game, yes he is skillful and talented, but he plays with the wing mirrors...as for his 14 yard free miss, see joe mcmahon above...
6. I am sorry, i have to agree with the 100s who can't fathom why Davy gets his place on this team....yes he had a broken nose, but how many times did he touch the ball over the two games?? 5? 6? he is slow and one paced in possession, can't break a tackle, is suspect defensivel when run at...that's all really....
the truth is that we have been found out and neutralised at our own game....how many times were we swarmed and closed in and surrounded whilst moving the ball out of tight situations??? I thought it called for the introduction of carlin of swift; down played with a lot of movement and pace up front, we needed to move the ball at speed out of defence, these two players excell at this...
Yes, Down were lucky, they may have had a point which was wide in extra time, but fortune favours the brave and comitted....
as for the future, back door is there, but the cracks are obvious, first and foremost, we need to reinvent ourselves and match the hunger and intensity of our opponents, that is the fundamental ingredient.
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2008, 11:57:14 AM
Well done Down you played your part in an epic epoque- ending battle as all great teams need to go through, and I wish you well
Tyrone we had our day and its over - for many players that have given unparallelled service to the county, for the management who have brought us to the promised land twice. Its sad, its over but we were beat by the aristocracy of Ulster football after a great great battle. We will go so far in the back door but we must realise we need a new team to be built, playing a new system, some will remain and maybe take another Celtic Cross in a new era, and whilst Mickey may wish to remain on for the good of Tyrone football I think he will decide to move on and maybe give it another go in a few years. How could he not be too loyal to the panel that has brought the big results to Tyrone football. How can we expect him to demolish and rebuild? What we seen last night was the dying kick of a great team, that yes were ravaged by injury over the past number of years but thats football - we had won 2 aititles so we cant be greedy - there was probably no more than 2 all irelands in the group of players, some are burnt out mentally, some physically, and some are fine for another few years, but 2 all irelands renders that team and management great and we will never forget their achievements. I doubt if there is a better management in Ulster never mind Tyrone that Mickey but he must move to the side after this year - the next 3 years could be tough. Come back in 6 if he wants he is still a young man, but is he ruthless enough with the older players - I think he has proven that he isnt and that he has struggled to bring forward new talent and new ideas on the back of his major successes.
Our day will come again!!
Agree 100%.
That's all I want to say on the matter for now.
can we watch that game anywhere on tv in full?
Some game.....
Quote from: Uladh on June 15, 2008, 10:10:01 AM
Jesus lads, ye wond a first round match. lay off the glue for another couple of weeks
As usual Uladh, you are only half correct. Down also won an epic.
Quote from: western exile on June 15, 2008, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Uladh on June 15, 2008, 10:10:01 AM
Jesus lads, ye wond a first round match. lay off the glue for another couple of weeks
As usual Uladh, you are only half correct. Down also won an epic.
Against the reigning ulster champions and one of the favourites for the all ireland. Would Armagh celebrate a win over tyrone?
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 15, 2008, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 15, 2008, 11:03:18 AM
Congratulations to Down - the glory days in Tyrone are well and truly over.
Didn't last long, 2003 to 2005 or 2006 at a stretch.
2001-2007 actually, and 1997-2007 if you include the silverware Mickey's side has accrued.
2001 - Ulster
2002 - NFL
2003 - NFL, Ulster, Sam
2005 - Sam
2007 - Ulster
I just hope Mickey has one last big win before he bows out. July 19th gives the squad time to settle in terms of injuries, hopefully. Unfortunately there are too many leaks in his system, including personal relationships, tactical decisions and preparation issues. Too may sides are on the up now in terms of general competence and preparation and Tyrone are struggling to hold their own in the top 6.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 15, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
I watched both teams come out for extra time; this epitomised the two games in a nutshell: Tyrone trooped out, Down sprinted out, heads up...this was after Tyrone mounting an amazing comeback to force this extra time...it should have been the other way around, Down should have been dejected that they didn't put Tyrone away in normal time; Tyrone were on a roll, there was no spring in their step
Sure didn't Tyrone put four points on at the start of extra time so I don't think it can be as easily explained as this.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 15, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
I worry about the hunger and mentality in the camp, i fear they are sick of Harte's voice...the story goes that Mickey spoke at length to Joe McMahon fri night, yet couldn't directly tell him he was on the team until lunchtime sat...Joe's attitude going into the game was, when i spoke to him,- "I'm on anyway, don't know about rest, but couldn't give a f**k anymore"- Joe performed accordingly....he brought disdain and contempt to the tyrone jersey with that shocker of a performance and open goal miss...cheers joe
If Joe is reading this and remembers who he said this to I'd say he'll be rightly pissed off with you
Quote from: Donagh on June 14, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Wireless phones Jody. One of these new fangled things. Don't think it'll catch on though.
Ziggy don't mean to gloat or anything, but...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6859.45 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6859.45)
Hehe...
Yeah well... shut up >:(
:D
Harte made some bad calls last night but still think the team/supporters should stay behind him as we're still in the championship and nothing would be achieved by changing management. I dont think any other manager would have done any better given the injury situation. How we get on in the qualifiers depends a lot on the attitude of the players and whether they have the hunger to have a good stab at it. Its suprising what a couple of wins on the trot in the qualifiers could do for the team. If everyone was fit I think I'd freshen the team up a bit for the qualifiers. Tommy has to be on to take the free's. I'd go with this:
J Devine
McCaul
Joe McMahon
Swift
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
S Cavanagh
Mellon
T McGuigan
McGinley
McCullagh
Mugsy
Penrose
That would still leave McGuigan,Dooher and Colm Cavanagh to throw in during the second half.
Peter Canavan, Hugo Duncan, O'Neill, Jerome Quinn, WJ Dolan, Michaela Harte, Brian Dooher, Malachi Cush, Plunket Donaghy, Fay Devlin,Jody Gormley, Adrian Logan, Fergal Logan, Aaron Hughes, Jimmy Cricket, Dominic Kirwin, Dennis Taylor, Tyrone Dobbs, Ziggy Zuko.........ZIGGY ZUKO CAN YOU HEAR ME??????
YOUR BOYS TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING ON ARMAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: the milkman on June 15, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
Peter Canavan, Hugo Duncan, O'Neill, Jerome Quinn, WJ Dolan, Michaela Harte, Brian Dooher, Malachi Cush, Plunket Donaghy, Fay Devlin,Jody Gormley, Adrian Logan, Fergal Logan, Aaron Hughes, Jimmy Cricket, Dominic Kirwin, Dennis Taylor, Tyrone Dobbs, Ziggy Zuko.........ZIGGY ZUKO CAN YOU HEAR ME??????
YOUR BOYS TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING ON ARMAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was some hammering alright ! ;D
To whom it may concern - thats a terrible allegation against Joe McMahon.
Maybe i missed this yesterday, but what was the reason for Brian McGuigan not featuring at all?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 15, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
Harte made some bad calls last night but still think the team/supporters should stay behind him as we're still in the championship and nothing would be achieved by changing management. I dont think any other manager would have done any better given the injury situation. How we get on in the qualifiers depends a lot on the attitude of the players and whether they have the hunger to have a good stab at it. Its suprising what a couple of wins on the trot in the qualifiers could do for the team. If everyone was fit I think I'd freshen the team up a bit for the qualifiers. Tommy has to be on to take the free's. I'd go with this:
J Devine
McCaul
Joe McMahon
Swift
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
S Cavanagh
Mellon
T McGuigan
McGinley
McCullagh
Mugsy
Penrose
That would still leave McGuigan,Dooher and Colm Cavanagh to throw in during the second half.
I simplt can't see how Tommy ended up top scorer after being put on with 12 minutes left - MH will never start a game without Dooher - If Brian Mc Guigan is fit, he'll start as well.
Quote from: the milkman on June 15, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
Peter Canavan, Hugo Duncan, O'Neill, Jerome Quinn, WJ Dolan, Michaela Harte, Brian Dooher, Malachi Cush, Plunket Donaghy, Fay Devlin,Jody Gormley, Adrian Logan, Fergal Logan, Aaron Hughes, Jimmy Cricket, Dominic Kirwin, Dennis Taylor, Tyrone Dobbs, Ziggy Zuko.........ZIGGY ZUKO CAN YOU HEAR ME??????
YOUR BOYS TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING ON ARMAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, 0-23 to 1-05 in an Ulster Final replay is a 'hell' of a beating, a 1 point loss after two epics and extra time most certainly is not ... but congrats to Down, they were the better team over the two games and deserved it ... really looking forward to Down v Armagh
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2008, 01:48:42 PM
I know club football and county football are two different things but surely there are better midfielders in Tyrone today than what we have on the replacements bench - surely we need to start to think outside the box ? Drastic situations can sometimes mean drastic sloutions ? What's wrong with calling in some of these men now ? Even if we beat Down on Saturday, we'll need them going forward.
I hate to say this but I told you so ! Cleaned out in the middle and one of best footballers in Ireland standing scratching himself and pleading with the line to bring him out the field ???????????
And then Hub !
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 15, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 15, 2008, 05:54:52 PM
[Cleaned out in the middle and one of best footballers in Ireland standing scratching himself and pleading with the line to bring him out the field ???????????
I thought Coulter looked quite happy in the full forward line ;)
You weren't as chirpy all year 5 times so enjoy it ......................................... ( while it lasts ! ) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: the milkman on June 15, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
ZIGGY ZUKO CAN YOU HEAR ME??????
Huh?
Mickey Harte was looking for me at half time. He wanted to draft me into the midfield.
Wish I did now...
Quote from: ziggysego on June 15, 2008, 06:01:44 PM
Quote from: the milkman on June 15, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
ZIGGY ZUKO CAN YOU HEAR ME??????
Huh?
Mickey Harte was looking for me at half time. He wanted to draft me into the midfield.
Wish I did now...
Did he suddenly realise that Tyrone were in trouble at midfield ? :D
QuoteDidn't last long, 2003 to 2005 or 2006 at a stretch.
Better to achieve greatness in 3 years than be 'nearly men' for 6 or 7! ;)
Quote from: To whom it may concern on June 15, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
I worry about the hunger and mentality in the camp, i fear they are sick of Harte's voice...the story goes that Mickey spoke at length to Joe McMahon fri night, yet couldn't directly tell him he was on the team until lunchtime sat...Joe's attitude going into the game was, when i spoke to him,- "I'm on anyway, don't know about rest, but couldn't give a f**k anymore"- Joe performed accordingly....he brought disdain and contempt to the tyrone jersey with that shocker of a performance and open goal miss...cheers joe
FAO To whom it may concern - the misfortunate that Joe had in speaking to u prior to the game & with your 'alleged' quoted discussion, sure it will be the last time u'll manage a conversation with him. No doubt he'll not forget u after your conversation and with your accusations of 'disdain and contempt'!!
U must be some player yourself, more like a boll*x who's always in the 'alleged' know (i.e. previous post that Gormley had left the panel or Peter was back on the panel). Joe like all squad members deserve the highest admiration not only in the 2 games played (unfortunately it did not go to plan), but in the sacrifices & determination shown to get back on the playing pitch, not just a championship playing pitch after serious operations. A man of your wisdom will no doubt recall that Joe has played in All Ireland Finals at U-18, U-21 & Senior. Winning 2 out 3 and indeed wearing the Tyrone Jersey with great pride & distinction. Long may it continue for him and all squad members especially as the scenic route will be revisited once again.
All this talk of greatness interests me.
Well done to Donegal, Derry, Arma on winning their single Sam, even better to Tyrone for winning two. But this does not warrant the tag of a 'Great Team' (good team maybe?). Any old team finds extra power when they play the current holders so its only when you win back to back Sams that greatness is achieved.
Talk about history all you want but come back to me when you can list the counties that have achieved the cherished 'two Sams back to back'?. You will find its an exclusive club.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 15, 2008, 06:49:17 PM
All this talk of greatness interests me.
Well done to Donegal, Derry, Arma on winning their single Sam, even better to Tyrone for winning two. But this does not warrant the tag of a 'Great Team' (good team maybe?). Any old team finds extra power when they play the current holders so its only when you win back to back Sams that greatness is achieved.
Talk about history all you want but come back to me when you can list the counties that have achieved the cherished 'two Sams back to back'?. You will find its an exclusive club.
To be honest, there isn't much talk of greatness - as past decade Tyrone and Armagh have both been great teams and dominated the Ulster scence and picked up 3 AIs between them in the process - they were very good sides - but on a national scale weren't that great - in fact very few teams, Kerry excepted have earned this tag.
Look, i am entitled to my opinion, the reason joe frustrates me is that i know he has the ability...i just feel there is no urgency in his game, we are always talking about potential in his game, the man is 25, i feel the time has come for him to hold his hands up and dominate games, he should be a leader, a regular on this team, he is from the same generation as sean cavanagh and has all the attributes needed to be successful...there was nothing personal in my remarks at all.
People are talking about midfield being a problem, look, we neve had someone that fielded ball around the middle, truth be told, midfield doesn't exist as no. 8 and 9 v other team's 8 and 9, it is a minefield of about 5 or 6 men from either side...down's platform for victory over last 2 games was a replica of what our successes have been based on, we have been found out by our own style...we were bottled up and over turned regularly...the feature of 05 and particular armagh drawn ulster final, was our ability to overturn possession and then move it at speed out of armagh's swarm....enda mcginley was badly missed, also a fit dooher and mcguigan...jordan and mcmenamin look a pale shadow of themselves, esp ricey....the writing has been on the wall since last year for him...i wouldn't call time yet on tyrone, there may be another kick in them yet this year, Harte has to sit down, assess last 2 games and make some tough decisions....
McConnell
Quinn
Justin
Carlin
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Sean
Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Tommy
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Mulligan
Quote from: Hardy on June 15, 2008, 10:48:49 AM
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Excellent hardy. He could doze off anytime though.
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on June 15, 2008, 01:16:09 PM
2008 All Ireland Football Championship
SELECTION
Kerry 13/8
Dublin 4/1
Tyrone 9/1
Cork 12/1
Derry 12/1
Galway 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Mayo 20/1
Laois 33/1
Wexford 33/1
Donegal 40/1
Fermanagh 40/1
Meath 40/1
Monaghan 50/1
Westmeath 50/1
Down 66/1
Cavan 80/1
Sligo 150/1
Wicklow 150/1
Kildare 200/1
Limerick 250/1
Longford 300/1
Offaly 300/1
Leitrim 500/1
Louth 500/1
Roscommon 500/1
Clare 1000/1
Tipperary 5000/1
2008-06-29 14:00:00 Each-way bets 1/2 odds first 2
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Paddy Power a bit different.
All-Ireland Football Championship Preview
Kerry
5 - 4
Meath
33 - 1
Cavan
400 - 1
Dublin
7 - 2
Down
40 - 1
Offaly
400 - 1
Derry
10 - 1
Monaghan
50 - 1
Kildare
400 - 1
Cork
10 - 1
Westmeath
50 - 1
Sligo
400 - 1
Galway
14 - 1
Donegal
50 - 1
Louth
500 - 1
Armagh
14 - 1
Wexford
66 - 1
Longford
750 - 1
Mayo
18 - 1
Fermanagh
66 - 1
Roscommon
1000 - 1
Tyrone
20 - 1
Laois
66 - 1
Limerick
1000 - 1
Tyrone are a best priced 16/1 for Sam - Down are strangely 66/1 ?
Quote from: orangeman on June 15, 2008, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 15, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
Harte made some bad calls last night but still think the team/supporters should stay behind him as we're still in the championship and nothing would be achieved by changing management. I dont think any other manager would have done any better given the injury situation. How we get on in the qualifiers depends a lot on the attitude of the players and whether they have the hunger to have a good stab at it. Its suprising what a couple of wins on the trot in the qualifiers could do for the team. If everyone was fit I think I'd freshen the team up a bit for the qualifiers. Tommy has to be on to take the free's. I'd go with this:
J Devine
McCaul
Joe McMahon
Swift
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justy McMahon
S Cavanagh
Mellon
T McGuigan
McGinley
McCullagh
Mugsy
Penrose
That would still leave McGuigan,Dooher and Colm Cavanagh to throw in during the second half.
I simplt can't see how Tommy ended up top scorer after being put on with 12 minutes left - MH will never start a game without Dooher - If Brian Mc Guigan is fit, he'll start as well.
Thats true. To be fair if McGuigan is fit and playing well there is no doubt he should be on. What was wrong with him last night? Would probably be harsh to leave Dooher out but did think he did a lot of stupid things the last 2 games. Still think Cavanagh and Justy McMahon could match most midfields. You'd have to hope though that Mugsy would be fit to join the full forward line to take Cavanagh out. Thought Cavanagh was good at full forward last night, just a pity we couldnt get him more ball.
Was impressed with Justy McMahon's ability and approach last night.
Perversely, another draw could've been a godsend for Tyrone. You got the feeling their fitness was improving all the time a la '05 and to face Armagh after 3 decent games would've been desirable. Now we have a full month before the minefield of the qualifiers. It'd be great to get Mulligan, Mulgrew, Dooher, Cavanagh, McGinley and McGuigan in fine fettle and a wee run is not out of the question. It'd also be great to see Mickey saying 'right, this is make or break - no more putting blind faith in the '03 brigade, brave decisions to be made.'
Of a fully fit team, I'd plump for:
McConnell
Ricey
Joe McMahon
Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Jus McMahon
S Cavanagh
Dooher
B McGuigan
Mulgrew
McGinley
Mugsy
T McGuigan
Mellon, Penrose and McCullagh possible starters. Just think that McCullagh's importance to the side now is an indicator as to how our forward option have diminished in recent years.
Agree totally with you that mccullagh, whilst a skillful player, is not o sufficient quality to base a forward line on and hope to hallenge in croke park....he disappears ou of games too often...penrose seems more aggressive and is now a serious option Re ball winning, he also has prolific scoring ability and should have been taking the frees instead of mccullagh last night...
Would love to see justin midfield, but can't see a better option at full back at min, unless conor gormley rediscovers his form...conor looks burned out and laboured...
still think your team o'neill is suspect down the flanks of our defence, as highlighted by laois 06, meath 07 and don 08....ricey and davy on same wing is too dangerous...would like to see some of our young corner backs inject a bit of pace into defence
I know it's well worn now but isn't it a criminal shame Stephen O'Neill's name ain't there. That changes the whole face of the side.
Anyway, I just feel a Ricey-Harte-Dooher right flank, at full tilt, is hard for any opposition to cope with in terms of sheer workrate and support play. I've heard a few comment on Davy's usefulness at half forward. Ant thoughts?
Anthony Tohill called it an epic and thought it unlikely we would see a better game this year.He also said there is no breed of footballer like a confident Down man, and he should know. Always liked Tohill.
Can anyone signpost where I could see this again. I can't get into the RTE webplayer as the net classes Down as outside 'Ireland'.
I have Setanta and see that they are showing the weekend games this week on their schedule for setanta 2 but no word of Newry- however, given that this was probably written before they knew there would be a replay, it might be on. Would be very grateful if anyone spots it. I have to say I don't think it was as good as Celtic park 94 but it was close.Thought Mickey Harte was gracious in his comments and that Ross was also respectful in victory.What a game. What a game.
Here is a thought for all ye Tyrone posters who are feeling a bit down (excuse the pun) at the moment. When the draw for round 1 of the qualifiers is made, you could get the losers of Down v. Armagh at a home venue......
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 15, 2008, 11:26:45 PM
Anthony Tohill called it an epic and thought it unlikely we would see a better game this year.He also said there is no breed of footballer like a confident Down man, and he should know. Always liked Tohill.
Can anyone signpost where I could see this again. I can't get into the RTE webplayer as the net classes Down as outside 'Ireland'.
I have Setanta and see that they are showing the weekend games this week on their schedule for setanta 2 but no word of Newry- however, given that this was probably written before they knew there would be a replay, it might be on. Would be very grateful if anyone spots it. I have to say I don't think it was as good as Celtic park 94 but it was close.Thought Mickey Harte was gracious in his comments and that Ross was also respectful in victory.What a game. What a game.
A repeat of The Sunday Game is available on the RTE website for viewers outside Ireland but only from Wednesday evening onwards. Not perfect I know but better than nothing.
Like the look of that team O'Neill but does anybody actually believe we'll be able to pick anything like our best 15? You can be pretty sure that a fair few of those lads wont be fit to start come the next match. And Joe McMahon will probably be in jail for gbh against To Whom it May Concern. And rightly so ;).
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 15, 2008, 10:26:54 AM
Which is more than youse did last year , front or back doors, and I don't think you will get much today in Cavan where the sales of carry-out Buckfast will soar like Seany Johnstone's points.
whoops.
ALMOST 20,000 watched an epic at Pairc Esler in Newry last night as Down's one-point Ulster SFC quarter-final replay win over Tyrone in extra-time seemed more like an All- Ireland victory than a first-round Ulster triumph.
Ross Carr's men possessed a never-say-die attitude and dug deep as Benny Coulter and man of the match Liam Doyle gave inspirational performances to cement a semi-final spot against either Armagh or Cavan, who meet this afternoon at Kingspan Breffni Park.
Eager to dismiss the critics' view that Down had left the game behind them in last Sunday's encounter at Healy Park, the hosts began this game with vigour and Ambrose Rodgers set the tone with a fisted point after just 28 seconds.
But Tyrone weren't lying down and responded with three points on the trot from brothers Colm and Sean Cavanagh as they helped Tyrone to a 0-3 to 0-1 lead after six minutes.
Aidan Carr hit back with a Down point, but this was a firm purple patch for Mickey Harte's charges, and with the Cavanaghs, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullough on song, they could do no wrong in the early stages.
The sides were level on two occasions during the opening half with both sides certainly fuelled up, but it was Sean Cavanagh's second point of the day which gave Tyrone an 0-8 to 0-7 lead at the interval.
Both sides had missed chances in the opening stages of the second half before Martin Penrose took his only score of the contest to give Tyrone a two point lead in as many minutes after the restart.
The sides were level on three occasions inside the middle third but a Liam Doyle effort saw Down break clear as the game entered the final quarter.
Down certainly had the momentum at this stage, and when Coulter sent over his second point -- a fisted effort with 10 minutes remaining -- it put Down 0-14 to 0-11 clear, and sent the home crowd into raptures.
But this game was far from over and the man who orchestrated the comeback was 57th-minute substitute Tommy McGuigan, who really turned the game on its head.
Miraculously, he scored five points in the closing 13 minutes, including four unanswered points, with an all-important equaliser in the third minute of injury-time that took the game to extra-time.
Down had been reduced to 14 men at this stage following the dismissal of half back Damien Rafferty for his second yellow card.
But they were back to a full complement of players for extra-time with Kevin McGuigan replacing the dismissed Rafferty.
However, it was Tyrone who burst out of the blocks on the restart with four points on the trot inside six minutes, with McGuigan, Sean Cavanagh, Philip Jordan and McCullagh all on target for Harte's side.
The switch of Sean Cavanagh to midfield was certainly proving effective, but Down weren't keen to rest on their laurels as corner forward Coulter masterminded a comeback.
Aidan Carr edged Down within three points of the visitors before a Coulter point, and then a fisted goal from the Mayobridge man, coupled with a fifth Liam Doyle point, edged Down into a two-point lead as they went ahead for the first time in extra-time.
Down, led at half-time of extra-time by 1-19 to 0-20, with Down's U21 captain this year James Colgan replacing Daniel McCartan after the break.
Tyrone kept pressing hard at a determined Down side in the second half of extra-time, and although Down failed to get a score in the closing 10 minutes of the game, they somehow held out for a fabulous win, despite Colm McCullagh taking his fourth point, just 18 seconds after the restart.
Understandably, Down's goal-scoring forward Brendan Coulter was thrilled with his side's ability to dig out this fabulous win.
"It was a fantastic game to play in," Coulter said.
"It was amazing that we came out of it on the right side of the result. If we had been beaten it wouldn't have been as good -- but as you've seen, with the crowd, players, management and the fans ... everyone is just elated by this victory."
However, Coulter gave a realistic assessment of the win.
"We are only in the semi-finals of the Ulster Championship. We have nothing won yet," he said.
Scorers -- Down: B Coulter 1-3, L Doyle 0-5 (5f), A Carr 0-4 (3f, 1 45), P Murphy, D Gordon, A Rodgers, J Clarke, K McKernan 0-1 each. Tyrone: T McGuigan 0-6 (5f), C Cavanagh 0-4 (4f), S Cavanagh 0-4 (1f), C McCullagh 0-4 (1f), M Penrose, P Jordan, R Mellon 0-1 each.
Down: B McVeigh; L Howard, D McCartan, P Murphy; A Carr, L Doyle, D Rafferty; D Gordon, J Lynch; A Rodgers, R Murtagh, D Hughes; J Clarke, R Sexton, B Coulter (1-3). Subs: P McCumiskey for Lynch (46); K McKernan (0-1) for Clarke (52); S Kearney for Murtagh (69); K McGuigan starts in place of sent off Rafferty for ET; J Colgan for McCartan (HTET); J Clarke for Murphy (90).
Tyrone: J Devine; R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, PJ Quinn; D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan; C Gormley, Joe McMahon; B Dooher, R Mellon, C Cavanagh; M Penrose, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh. Subs: K Hughes for C Cavanagh (inj) (31); P Donnelly for Hughes (46); T McGuigan (0-6, 5f)for Mellon (57); M McGee for Quinn (81); C Holmes for Gourley (82)
Referee: Pat McEnaney (Monaghan)
- Ciln Duffy
What about this lad Packie McMullan..hes one of the best scoring forwards in tyrone and a brillant free taker...why will Micky Harte not give him a chance?
What did you all think of the curtain raiser in Newry on Saturday evening?
Exciting game I thought. Down mounted a great challenge in the 2nd half and I thought the failure to score a goal from their 2nd penalty was the key. A goal there and I think the would have beaten Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on June 15, 2008, 10:53:00 PM
Was impressed with Justy McMahon's ability and approach last night.
Perversely, another draw could've been a godsend for Tyrone. You got the feeling their fitness was improving all the time a la '05 and to face Armagh after 3 decent games would've been desirable. Now we have a full month before the minefield of the qualifiers. It'd be great to get Mulligan, Mulgrew, Dooher, Cavanagh, McGinley and McGuigan in fine fettle and a wee run is not out of the question. It'd also be great to see Mickey saying 'right, this is make or break - no more putting blind faith in the '03 brigade, brave decisions to be made.'
Of a fully fit team, I'd plump for:
McConnell
Ricey
Joe McMahon
Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Jus McMahon
S Cavanagh
Dooher
B McGuigan
Mulgrew
McGinley
Mugsy
T McGuigan
Mellon, Penrose and McCullagh possible starters. Just think that McCullagh's importance to the side now is an indicator as to how our forward option have diminished in recent years.
Talk's cheap !
We've been saying for a long time that mdifield would come back and haunt us and it has. But no response for MH !
Hi, new here, orangeman - as a loughshore man, and we may as well talk about this now, do you feel Brian McIver would do the job for Tyrone?
Quote from: ROLLINS on June 16, 2008, 11:04:37 AM
Hi, new here, orangeman - as a loughshore man, and we may as well talk about this now, do you feel Brian McIver would do the job for Tyrone?
Why would be he take it now that this present team are well past their best !
Imagine if Tyrone had of won on Saturday. We'd have been saying what a come-back and Mickey got it right...
Lets give Mickey a chance in the qualifiers, for a I think things were just beginning to come right.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 16, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
Imagine if Tyrone had of won on Saturday. We'd have been saying what a come-back and Mickey got it right...
Lets give Mickey a chance in the qualifiers, for a I think things were just beginning to come right.
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The eternal optomist ! ;)
everyone seems to be of the opinion that tyrone has gone stale, certain players have no hunger etc.. so what happens now? generally speaking should an established player who has maybe lost his appetite for the game be replaced for the qualifiers with a slightly lesser quality player who has hunger and wants to nail down a place on the team? people keep going on that certain club players should be getting a chance but MH has had trials every year and tried out new players in the mckenna cup but they simply werent good enough. tyrone won an all ireland minor in 2004 and had decent u-21 team this year, yet why have so few players made the breakthrough from these teams?
Lads, only saw highlights on the SG last night. Who was the Tyrone back who spilled the ball for the Down goal ??????
Quote from: orangeman on June 16, 2008, 11:38:10 AM
The eternal optomist ! ;)
Gotta stick with the team through thick and thin. Have faith me old boy ;)
Tyrone's biggest problem and the biggest difference from their winning teams of '03 and '05 is the inability to get scores from play. McCullagh is the main threat from play these days - a far cry from O'Neill, Canavan and an on form Mulligan. McMenamin is not the same player at corner back that he was but could do a great job at wing back.
I could not believe what I heard on radio Ulster in the car on the way home. Conor Gormley was interviewed and he said something along the lines off it would be great to get back to the clubs and concentrate on them for the remainder of the year. He had no talk of the qualfiers at all. The talk early on in the year off him and Mickey falling out was evident in Gormleys display on Saturday night.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 16, 2008, 11:58:38 AM
Tyrone's biggest problem and the biggest difference from their winning teams of '03 and '05 is the inability to get scores from play. McCullagh is the main threat from play these days - a far cry from O'Neill, Canavan and an on form Mulligan. McMenamin is not the same player at corner back that he was but could do a great job at wing back.
don't even think he would be good at wing back, he's not a great ball carrier, looked shakey when soloing the ball and hasn't the best set of hands (benny will tell you all about that) ;D!!
Quote from: Canalman on June 16, 2008, 11:40:50 AM
Lads, only saw highlights on the SG last night. Who was the Tyrone back who spilled the ball for the Down goal ??????
Ryan McMenamin. But in fairness to him he only got his fingertips to it. It wasn't quite a la Donaghy '92!
Yes, Conor Gormley's body language looked downcast sat evening, he looked disinterested, being shunted around the defence and then moved to midfield for this match...it emphasises the fact that a lot of these seasoned campaigners are on the wane and mentally, are shot....i think sat was conor's worst ever game in a tyrone jersey from tyrone's greatest ever defender probably....that is worrying
what is more worrying is that it was the younger players who hauled us back into the game, sean cavanagh, martin penrose, justin, tommy, pj quinn.....it is too big an ask to win our way through the qualifers back to croke park in august...it hurts to say all this, but we need to be realistic and ruthless and look at changing some of the guard...
i seen kevin hughes walking up newry street about 15 mins literally after the game, joking with friends...i wonder did that defeat hurt as much as it would have say a few years ago? The nucleus of the team look sapped and tired mentally...
I saw Dooher 15mins after the game, sitting on a wall beside the team bus. Looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. Could tell that he really wanted to win this one.
Some drinking in the Moy on Saturday I hear.
In recent years Tyrone have often been on the right side of these epic games and the verdict has always been how they will drive on from this and progress
When we won the AI in 2005 the media suddenly we're all praising Tyrone's training methods, underage culture, Club Tyrone etc etc.
None of that would have been mentioned had Kerry got a 3rd goal near the end and won the match
Likewise on Sat night we came very close to STEALING this game but for once we came out on the wrong side of this exciting game
Yeah maybe Down aren't world beaters but for a 1st round match they certainly battled harder than any other team I've saw this year.
Maybe the Tyrone managment do have the stance now of purposely not being TOO fit this time of the year and to try to compensate for the easier runs other teams have to the 1/4 finals such as Kerry, Cork or Dublin.
After the game I too took part in the doom & Gloom outlook that we're a spent force and not a shadow of 2003 or 2005 with hunger, intensity and a great forward line being our main attributes.
So what's the pluses and negatives?
-ves
MF still a huge problem and currently our HF & HB line isn't compensating for this
Forward line is missing a Star forward and I hate to admit it but Sean is wasted in FF and needs to be running facing the goals not with his back to it.
MH seems to have become too loyal to some of his old servants too often and is slow to change them. Is this just stubborness or can't he see it?
Hub looks past it
Dooher was poor Sat but think he's more to give. Not fully fit yet.
+ves
Joey and Justin are two great footballers if they can stay fit
We've some good defenders waiting to break thru
Brian & Tommy McGuigan, Mugsy, McGinley,
I think IF we had a fit team
I would have
Lucky Dip Keeper
PJ
Joey
McCaul/Swift/Carlin/McGee
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Cavanagh
Justy
Dooher
B.McGuigan
Mulgrew
Mugsy
Tommy
McGinley
With Penrose, McCullagh. Mellon who played great on Sat all waiting to come in there is a descent enuf team there to get to the 1/4 finals and who knows with a run of matches maybe the final as long as they don't meet Kerry.
People talk about a lot of miles on the clock but with the exception of Holmes & Dooher & maybe Hub who else would U say you would drop from the team. Ricey? No!!
I think we were all hurt by Sat night with Down being so DOWN played for months or years now but I think if you look over the years and teams who went on to win AI's, how often did you leave the 1st round match to hear someone say
"Not much odd's who they meet next, they won't go too far"
To whom it may concern - its a defeat - it is what it is, everyones disappointed, the players im sure more than anyone. I heard Conors interview and he sounded like a man who lost a championship match - devastated. To hint at anything else is doing the great man a great dissservice. Did you consider that Big Joe was winding you up, talking shit even. Is hub Hughes not entitled to go for a beer after the game. Not a bit of wonder our players are not at the top when we are so quick to knock them down and not just for on field performances. After reading your comments I just couldnt help but think that you would be a bit of a rat yourself.
Very disappointed there were no tramps there on Saturday night.
There was quite a few behind me Roaring and whinging the whole game at every wee incident and then of course the Booing at frees near the end.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on June 16, 2008, 02:09:07 PM
QuoteSome drinking in the Moy on Saturday I hear.
Aye, the Tyrone Fleadh's on this weekend. You coming?
Would it be worth the journey?
"Not much odd's who they meet next, they won't go too far"
That was exactly what was said in the Marshes in May /June 1991, by hundreds including myself and look what happened.
Tyrone are far from a spent force and Down have not won anything yet. It was a great tie and could just have easily gone either way. There is no arrogance with Down as yet just an increasing air of expectation and hope that has been missing for a while.
I can only hope we go a bit further and there is no reason to fear Armagh, but yes give them due respect.
We have gone further already than the many detractors said we would only 5/6 weeks ago.Cannot see many apologies from those calling for the heads of ross & DJ at the end of the league
Is it true that DJ gave 2 inspirational speeches this week, one by podcast and another by text?
well said hoops it was great to see a bit off belief come back to the boys and the PASSION instilled in each off them by ROSS and DJ was there for all to see, for to many years in the past we would have lay down after letting tyrone back in to it and then in front, but as ross said Goals not only win games they LOSE them also.
a great and well overdue win for Down on saturday night but lets get a little perspective here within both counties. Tyrone could just have easily won that match and were quite unlucky and equally Down folk could be sitting here licking their wounds but a wee bit of luck proved to be the turning point in this game with mcmenamin's mistake and in my opinion the better team won over the two games but both teams must be commended on contributing to a fantastic spectacle.
one thing that greatly saddened/annoyed me was the taunting and arrogance that existed in certain parts of the game, namely conor gormely and typically mc menamin. One notable occasion was when Ambrose Rodgers was dispossessed coming out of defence in extra time with the ball, tyrone turned it over and scored a fine counterattacking point, as ambrose lay clearly hurt on the deck Gormel decides to lean over and clealry gode/gloat/antagonise in bucketfulls, then as Ambrose picked himself up and trotted back to midfield he persists to do so, mouthing flat out.
Ive alot of respect for Tyrone footballers in general and their manager and admire alot of things about the way they play but there are some of those guys that have little or no humility and have a nasty streak that is horrible to see, and to be honest there was no nicer sight than to see mcmenamin spilling the ball for coulter to poke home, couldnt have happened to a nicer person if you ask me. Similarily for gormley too when coulter showed him a clean pair of heels and rounded him at ease for a point off the post in normal time.
yes it was fair mostly and hard hitting but those few things just really grated with me.
Quote from: upthehoops on June 16, 2008, 04:14:22 PM
"Not much odd's who they meet next, they won't go too far"
That was exactly what was said in the Marshes in May /June 1991, by hundreds including myself and look what happened.
Tyrone are far from a spent force and Down have not won anything yet. It was a great tie and could just have easily gone either way. There is no arrogance with Down as yet just an increasing air of expectation and hope that has been missing for a while.
I can only hope we go a bit further and there is no reason to fear Armagh, but yes give them due respect.
We have gone further already than the many detractors said we would only 5/6 weeks ago.Cannot see many apologies from those calling for the heads of ross & DJ at the end of the league
You might not have long to wait ! ;)
Somewhere on this board someone asked the question about a recorded webstream of the game and why it wasn't on RTÉ.ie yet.
I took the liberty to email the people at RTÉ.ie earlier today and I got the following reply:
Hello Cóilín,
The Sunday Game highlights are on the website and I'm told that the 70 minutes (not extra time due to technical problems) will be available shortly.
Regards,
RTÉ Publishing.
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From: Cóilín Duffy
Sent: Mon 16/06/2008 12:06
To: Sport Online
Subject: RE Tyrone/Down replay webstream
Hi,
Just a quick question - why is it not possible to watch the full Tyrone/Down replay online as an archived stream?
Cóilín Duffy
Quotewhat is more worrying is that it was the younger players who hauled us back into the game
Surely that's great to see..................................................it's about time the next generation took on more responsibliity
So your name's Cóilín Duffy eh. ;)
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 16, 2008, 06:16:47 PM
Somewhere on this board someone asked the question about a recorded webstream of the game and why it wasn't on RTÉ.ie yet.
I took the liberty to email the people at RTÉ.ie earlier today and I got the following reply:
Hello Cóilín,
The Sunday Game highlights are on the website and I'm told that the 70 minutes (not extra time due to technical problems) will be available shortly.
Regards,
RTÉ Publishing.
________________________________
From: Cóilín Duffy
Sent: Mon 16/06/2008 12:06
To: Sport Online
Subject: RE Tyrone/Down replay webstream
Hi,
Just a quick question - why is it not possible to watch the full Tyrone/Down replay online as an archived stream?
Cóilín Duffy
What is the point of that? ??? Showing just 70 minutes of a 90+ minute game >:( That is like showing only the first half of a 70 game.....
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 16, 2008, 06:16:47 PM
I took the liberty to email the people at RTÉ.ie earlier today and I got the following reply:
At least you gat a reply. I emailed them enquiring why I coudn't watch The Sunday Game replay's online two weeks ago. No reply as yet
Quote from: the green man on June 16, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 16, 2008, 06:16:47 PM
I took the liberty to email the people at RTÉ.ie earlier today and I got the following reply:
At least you gat a reply. I emailed them enquiring why I coudn't watch The Sunday Game replay's online two weeks ago. No reply as yet
same as that green man. Maybe coilin could ask them how many times they have been contacted by an ISP to confrifrm a NI IP address. I suspect the correct figure is nil.
Lads do ye pay a Southern TV licence lol! - maybe it's a case of them knowing me that they replied I dunno. Ye using the right email address? sportonline AT rte DOT ie
These technical problems didn't just manifest themselves in relation to this game - there was no report of Cavan/Armagh on yesterday's Six-One News due to 'technical problems' also!
However lads I don't think we can be too critical - it's some service RTÉ are providing on the web this year - cast your mind back two or three years ago or even to last year when online offerings were generally confined to TV broadcast fixtures.
Does anyone know when the draw for the qualifiers is due to be made?
The dates of the games are available here - http://www.gaa.ie/page/football_qualifier_structure_2008.html
I'd reckon the draw is going to be somewhere around the first/second week of July but not 100% on that one
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 16, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
Lads do ye pay a Southern TV licence lol! - maybe it's a case of them knowing me that they replied I dunno. Ye using the right email address? sportonline AT rte DOT ie
These technical problems didn't just manifest themselves in relation to this game - there was no report of Cavan/Armagh on yesterday's Six-One News due to 'technical problems' also!
However lads I don't think we can be too critical - it's some service RTÉ are providing on the web this year - cast your mind back two or three years ago or even to last year when online offerings were generally confined to TV broadcast fixtures.
I'd like to have the choice, national broadcaster my hole. the only way i could get a signal was to get a southern sky box, now they're pulling the same shit with the webcasts.
It say available on the ISLAND of Ireland on their website.
Laoisgaa, they just ignore plebs like myself and green man, go on ask them about the northern isps might be a scoop for ye.
I think people are being a bit hard on RTE on this one. They cannot show GAA outside Ireland because that's the way the GAA negotiated it and Setanta would be all over them if they did. They cannot say whether an ISP is in the North unless it says that it is, if the ISP says it is in England they can't offer service there. How many people in the 6 counties checked that their ISP showed them as being in the 6 counties when they chose that ISP, they just picked the cheapest one and now they blame RTE.
Quote from: hoopsaaa on June 15, 2008, 12:09:51 AM
Fair play to Down. Mickey Harte is one of the best GAA managers ever. Now its time for him to move on. The team needs a good shake up.
This thread makes for good reading now. Thank god this particular peace of advise wasnt taken.
A lot of people couldnt understand Cavanagh at full forward. As I said earlier in the year Tyrone really need someone with a bit of class there who could win ball and take scores, Cavanagh could do that. Theres no point getting the ball up the field if you havent got a top class forward in the full forward line. The worry was getting midfield sorted but anyone who attended the league games knew that McGinley was a great option there - getting a partner for him was the bigger test.
Wee Paddy O'Neill got a bit of a touch last week in the Tyrone times for saying something similar.
Wee paddy from cookstown/moortown?
Wee Paddy fairly put his foot in it all right....
No doubt he got a bit of stick for it, seeing as how wrong he got it!!
It will be interesting to see if he comes back with a reply?
Quote from: orangeman on June 15, 2008, 11:03:18 AM
Congratulations to Down - the glory days in Tyrone are well and truly over.
tee hee