Maybe its time to start a thread ??? ;D ;D
Though maybe no need for this, as all we can hear on the radio/podcasts is how can Dublin stop David Clifford!
Anyway, we'll give it a go. Our 2nd semi-final in 35 years and Monaghan. The last few weeks has been great to see in the county. Everyone getting behind our lads.
Monaghan legends of the game in their last year for the county in Hughes and McManus.
I think 31 counties will be behind yous.
Monaghan v Derry AIF?
That would be some achievement. ;D
Be something if the AI was Kerry and Dublin free.
Come on Monaghan.
In the minors Derry beat Dublin and Monaghan beat Kerry,
I don't believe you are without a chance, anything can happen.
Best of luck to you.
Is this the first year that all the minor and senior semi finalists are the same teams?
Dublin hand Mayo a cruel hammering while Monaghan scrape through against Armagh - the scene is set for an historic ambush. I hope not, but I'm just saying.
;)
COYBIB
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 13, 2023, 05:08:57 PM
I think 31 counties will be behind yous.
Monaghan v Derry AIF?
That would be some achievement. ;D
would rather any pairing but a Derry v Monaghan final.
Quote from: donelli on July 13, 2023, 05:07:09 PM
Maybe its time to start a thread ??? ;D ;D
Though maybe no need for this, as all we can hear on the radio/podcasts is how can Dublin stop David Clifford!
Anyway, we'll give it a go. Our 2nd semi-final in 35 years and Monaghan. The last few weeks has been great to see in the county. Everyone getting behind our lads.
Monaghan legends of the game in their last year for the county in Hughes and McManus.
Monaghan there on merit and fully deserve the chance to reach an All-Ireland final. All games are tough at this stage any year and to beat this Dublin team would be some achievement. Not impossible. Keep the goals out, bag a couple, and then you never know! Few high balls on top of Cluxton now and again early on with Darren Hughes underneath them - get Stephen rattled. Remember Fermanagh!!!! ;) Best of luck to Monaghan.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 13, 2023, 05:26:05 PM
Is this the first year that all the minor and senior semi finalists are the same teams?
I believe so,
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 13, 2023, 05:26:05 PM
Is this the first year that all the minor and senior semi finalists are the same teams?
Historically speaking, that would be surprising! Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone etc.
Wasn't this the first year ever that the 4 Football Provincial winners retained their Titles?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
Wasn't this the first year ever that the 4 Football Provincial winners retained their Titles?
First time since 1942 (Kerry,Galway,Cavan and Dublin)
In 1941 Kerry won the All Ireland beating Galway in the final and 1942 Dublin won it the All Ireland, history to repeat itself in 2023?
And 1943......
Mmh, I go for, Monaghan, no other reason than, they don't know when to lie down. Well of course if they don't give away silly goals.
Dubs go for same starting 15. We'll see .....
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/team-news-dublin-senior-football-panel-named-for-monaghan-semi-final-tie
Paul Flynn of the 6 in a row team on the unpredictibility of semifinals in his experience.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0714/1394516-paul-flynns-weekend-football-predications/Dublin and Monaghan clash this weekend
Through my experience, I've learned the hard way that semi-finals throw up surprises. We learnt that in 2014 playing Donegal when we were favourites going in and we sucker-punched.
Dublin seem to have mixed the good and the bad these days. For the tanking we got in the Leinster final they started poorly and give ball away constantly. When they pressed on our kickout and we'd no plan B (or even A) with a rookie (experienced outfield player) keeper, they finished the game in a 10 minute spell. We got joy off their kick outs the same day but game was gone before it ever got to the melting pot.
Monaghan will need to stay in the game as long as possible and make Dublin feel some pressure. The worry is I've not been impressed with Monaghans own kickout this year and they rely on easy ball. They don't have natural midfielders to take advantage of Beggans booming kickouts.
Wet day might help Monaghan make it a dirty battle and they've a punchers chance.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
Paul Flynn of the 6 in a row team on the unpredictibility of semifinals in his experience.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0714/1394516-paul-flynns-weekend-football-predications/Dublin and Monaghan clash this weekend
Through my experience, I've learned the hard way that semi-finals throw up surprises. We learnt that in 2014 playing Donegal when we were favourites going in and we sucker-punched.
Dublin were caught twice by Donegal. 1992 was a big shock (for Dublin at least).
Dublin would need to be naive in the extreme to go to Croke Park tomorrow and not expect an almighty ambush. Hopefully they won't be so naive.
COYBIB
Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
Jack Mac was taking it easy today
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/sport/gaa/dublin-gaa-star-snapped-galway-8601276
"Hill 16 Dublin only" - does yous still chant that from the Canal end?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 14, 2023, 04:03:43 PM
Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
From that potential line up the only change from the 1/4 final is Lavelle in for Darren Hughes.
Monaghan have been written off more times than the saying 'punching above weight' has been uttered on the airwaves.
But I don't recall us being so totally written off before a game as we are now, total as in a multi billion euro Anglo loan write-off.
Personally I'm copacetic in regards to the game.
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Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
From that potential line up the only change from the 1/4 final is Lavelle in for Darren Hughes.
Monaghan have been written off more times than the saying 'punching above weight' has been uttered on the airwaves.
But I don't recall us being so totally written off before a game as we are now, total as in a multi billion euro Anglo loan write-off.
Personally I'm copacetic in regards to the game.
Do you think Muineachán can win it?
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Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
From that potential line up the only change from the 1/4 final is Lavelle in for Darren Hughes.
Monaghan have been written off more times than the saying 'punching above weight' has been uttered on the airwaves.
But I don't recall us being so totally written off before a game as we are now, total as in a multi billion euro Anglo loan write-off.
Personally I'm copacetic in regards to the game.
Do you think Muineachán can win it?
Of course they can win tomorrow, depends on how the game goes.
The last memory Monaghan have is of relegating Dublin in a do or die league game for both teams, most of the current team only know of Monaghan beating Dublin in fiercely fought encounters.
This is s/f championship level but this Monaghan team have
punched above their weight eh, sorry about that, have improved by leaps and bounds this year.
Don't write off the written offs.
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Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
From that potential line up the only change from the 1/4 final is Lavelle in for Darren Hughes.
Monaghan have been written off more times than the saying 'punching above weight' has been uttered on the airwaves.
But I don't recall us being so totally written off before a game as we are now, total as in a multi billion euro Anglo loan write-off.
Personally I'm copacetic in regards to the game.
Do you think Muineachán can win it?
Of course they can win tomorrow, depends on how the game goes.
The last memory Monaghan have is of relegating Dublin in a do or die league game for both teams, most of the current team only know of Monaghan beating Dublin in fiercely fought encounters.
This is s/f championship level but this Monaghan team have punched above their weight eh, sorry about that, have improved by leaps and bounds this year.
Don't write off the written offs.
Great stuff - go and win it.
James Mc Carthy is some operator. Consistently good and always makes an impact on the game. Great engine and can take a score or two. Good defensively also.
To me, one of the best players ever.
Hoping for Monaghan by 1 or more but can only see Dublin by 5+
That (dirty oul) day reminds me of 2008, with a Dub loudly insisting beforehand that they had to beat us, since they (Dublin) were the only team that could beat Kerry -- that didn't turn out quite as he had predicted! :)
Looks like it's going to be a dirty NFL weather day for this game..
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 01:32:28 PM
Looks like it's going to be a dirty NFL weather day for this game..
Great day for an ambush!!
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 01:32:28 PM
Looks like it's going to be a dirty NFL weather day for this game..
It looks like it's starting to clear here TG ;)
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Monaghan team
Rory Beggan
Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wyllie;
Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy;
Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle;
Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie;
Jack McCarron, Gary Mohan, Dessie Ward.
Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Shane Carey, Kevin Loughran, Conor Leonard, Francis Hughes, Colm Lennon
11 of that published 26 played in the 2018 All Ireland semi final. (R Beggan,K Duffy, R Wylie, K O'Connell, D Hughes; R McAnespie, S Carey, C McCarthy, C McManus,K Hughes, J McCarron)
From that potential line up the only change from the 1/4 final is Lavelle in for Darren Hughes.
Monaghan have been written off more times than the saying 'punching above weight' has been uttered on the airwaves.
But I don't recall us being so totally written off before a game as we are now, total as in a multi billion euro Anglo loan write-off.
Personally I'm copacetic in regards to the game.
When you look at it, its a very strong Monaghan bench. I'd prefer to see a fit Darren Hughes start but a great option to come on.
Can't see anything but a big Dublin win here
3-17 to 0-14
Monaghan on penalties.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 05:01:39 PM
Monaghan on penalties.
No buggler. Interesting went with paddy small and not Kilkenny
Per RTE, Hughes and McManus will start
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2023, 05:15:13 PM
Per RTE, Hughes and McManus will start
Both Hughes's starting.
Anyone else bored already?
Where are all the dublin forwards? Monaghan playing across their own 65 and nobody near them. Surely the dubs aren't all in their own half of the pitch?
Monaghan with the first score of the game after 7 minutes.
Quote from: andoireabu on July 15, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
Where are all the dublin forwards? Monaghan playing across their own 65 and nobody near them. Surely the dubs aren't all in their own half of the pitch?
You cant see them, they are so far forward they are out of the vision of the TV, ;D
Black card no??
Should be the 2nd
That was very silly from Scully.
Dublin with the old mystery injury
21 mins played getting the competitive semi final that most neutrals wanted to see so far. Dublin 0-4 Monaghan 0-3
Quote from: trailer on July 15, 2023, 05:49:25 PM
Dublin with the old mystery injury
That injury doesn't affect the 10 mins for the black card.. Smalls could have stayed down for 5 mins
Has a typical feel to this one. Monaghan will keep it close till HT before a 10-15 minute period where Dublin break away.
Jaysus, Niblock is hard to listen to.
Quote from: red hander on July 15, 2023, 05:57:32 PM
Jaysus, Niblock is hard to listen to.
He is, Maloney far better option on RTE
Enjoyable enough so far.
Half time Dublin 0-8 Monaghan 0-7. Some softish frees for the Dubs, Monaghan giving a very good account of themselves thus far but could rue not taking those goal chances.
Couple of soft frees giving Dublin a h/t lead. Hard not admire Monaghan. Beggan has some temperament
Don't want hear any more of the Dublin and, Kerry football saviors. Dublin plays a full 15 bck up to the 65, only difference with Ulster teams is they take or 10m further back.
Hurson doing everything he can to keep Dubs ahead.
Hard to not detest those scummy dub fans booing the Monaghan kicks
Quote from: JoG2 on July 15, 2023, 06:09:41 PM
Couple of soft frees giving Dublin a h/t lead. Hard not admire Monaghan. Beggan has some temperament
Home teams get the softer frees.
If monaghan can survive the oncoming surge they have a chance.
Sean Hurson doing a fine job for the Dubs.
I agree about some serious soft freesfor the Dubs. Don't see why an Ulster ref is allowed near today's or tomorrow's game tbh, surely we're not that short of top inter county refs?
Monaghan have to he happy enough with that, Dubs have done bugger all tbh yet still lead, championship quarter coming up, Monaghan have to keep it very tight.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:12:49 PM
If monaghan can survive the oncoming surge they have a chance.
The worry is that 10/15min surge could happen at any stage during the 2nd half. Huge ask for Monaghan to keep it so tight from here on in... Hope they do!
Dublin 0-8 from 12 shots
Monaghan 0-7 from 15 shots
Best to watch it on rewind, + fast-forward through the endless recycling.
Time for a shot-clock?
What Dublin scored from play?
The first half has been on Monaghan's terms. They may not be able to keep it so tight in the second half, but if they do then they'll be hoping to do the business in the last 5 minutes.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 06:17:33 PM
What Dublin scored from play?
3 (Costello 2 and Small 1)
Plus 3 frees and 2 marks
Brilliant McAnespie
Monaghan with the first score of the 2nd half level game 0-8 each. 39 mins played.
Monaghan could be doing with a few more frees from this ref.
Why didn't lavelle get the free initially? Poor.
two in a row for Dublin they lead 0-10 to 0-8 45 mins played.
Hurson giving soft frees to both sides.
Monaghan have just got a free there, thought only Dublin could get those.
Can't understand why Monaghan don't try a couple in on top of McManus, or bring on McCarron and try it, Fitzsimmons not great under the high ball.
Hurson must have had a quick look at the board at ht, reversed the frees direction
50 mins played Dublin 0-10 Monaghan 0-9
I don't think Monaghan will win this but fair play to them. They are making some game as this. Dublin are rattled.
Ref making some strange decisions for a man trying to gift it to Dublin....
Wasn't a yellow there for Mccarthy, but he did left one in on Hughes a few minute before hand which should been one.
O'Callaghan a good footballer but I never understood the comparison with Clifford. He's no-where near it
54 mins level game 0-10 each.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 15, 2023, 06:40:45 PM
Ref making some strange decisions for a man trying to gift it to Dublin....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 06:42:49 PM
O'Callaghan a good footballer but I never understood the comparison with Clifford. He's no-where near it
He wouldn't make kerry team
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Ref making some strange decisions for a man trying to gift it to Dublin....
He's beginning to redeem himself ;D
O'Callaghan did foul the ball twice though and he was right on that
Oh he replace, Geaney, he just not the superstar the press make him out to be.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 06:42:49 PM
O'Callaghan a good footballer but I never understood the comparison with Clifford. He's no-where near it
Fenton as well. He's been anonymous. Mc carthy is twice the player Fenton is
Lads this is class!!
McManus some player.
A Monaghan goal would be class.
61 mins, Fenton puts Dublin back in front, 0-13 to 0-12.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 06:42:49 PM
O'Callaghan a good footballer but I never understood the comparison with Clifford. He's no-where near it
Fenton as well. He's been anonymous. Mc carthy is twice the player Fenton is
Perfect!
Was on the ground, but the Monaghan man was fouled earlier.
Going to be a great hard luck story here :( Love to see a Monaghan goal here.
Dubs three in front that breaks has gone their way today. 0-15 to 0-12 64 mins played.
Monaghan are losing the kickout
Great game. Great game by the ref as well in difficult conditions
Var decision for Monaghan there. .
What the hell ref.
Another big score from Fenton. 0-16 to 0-13. 69 mins played.
Since someone slagged him here he's stepped up.
Ref using the screen to overrule that 45 was awesome. He's had a great game.
Somebody shouted over to him, that Mccarthy twice the player you are, and he's took clean off, lol
Bollocks
Monaghan made some bad decisions at crucial times. They were so close!
Kerry look a way better team than Dublin to be honest, Mayo make them look good.
Monaghan lost the match in the first half. They needed to be more accurate.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 07:01:35 PM
Somebody shouted over to him, that Mccarthy twice the player you are, and he's took clean off, lol
Being told you're half as good as McCarthy is no insult in fairness!
Quote from: Jonkunlon on July 15, 2023, 07:00:23 PM
Ref using the screen to overrule that 45 was awesome. He's had a great game.
Feel Hurson has allowed Dublin to be more physical than Monaghan
Monaghan are not 7pts worse than Dublin, goal concealed a tight game.
Entertaining game of football, fair play to both sides.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 07:02:52 PM
Kerry look a way better team than Dublin to be honest, Mayo make them look good.
We may yet get to see who is the better team between them.
They were so average all day and still win by 7. They'll be a lot better in a couple of weeks.
All set up for another Dublin v Kerry cracker.
Monaghan played well given the age profile of a third of their team.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 15, 2023, 07:04:58 PM
They were so average all day and still win by 7. They'll be a lot better in a couple of weeks.
All set up for another Dublin v Kerry cracker.
Have you not heard? Derry are beating Kerry tomorrow
God love a optimist lol
Respect to Monaghan, they didn't resort to the dirty hits that Armagh likely would have in their place.
It was tight for a long time and the scoreline wasn't a true reflection on the game. The Dubs will be better in 2 weeks.
Monaghan put in a super effort. There was a lot of cuteness. The last 10 minutes decided it. More accuracy could have changed the match.
Monaghan belong in Croke Park and should work on their findings in the meantime.
FT Dublin 1-17 Monaghan 0-13. Goal in the 3rd minute of added time sealed the win for Dublin, Better impact off the bench the difference for Dublin. Monaghan died with their boots on harsh score line for the effort put in.
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Ref using the screen to overrule that 45 was awesome. He's had a great game.
Feel Hurson has allowed Dublin to be more physical than Monaghan
He's had an almost flawless game. From the black card, the two balls touched on the ground and overruling the 45. I haven't seen a display of officiating in either code like it this season.
Tomas not sold on the Dubs by the sounds of it, think I'd agree with him, Monaghan faded in the last 15 after a great performance. Unfortunately for Derry I think that game would have knocked any lingering complacency out of Kerry too.
Hurson deserves to ref the final after that performance. Credit where it's due to the ref. They don't get enough praise when they do it right.
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Quote from: Jonkunlon on July 15, 2023, 07:00:23 PM
Ref using the screen to overrule that 45 was awesome. He's had a great game.
Feel Hurson has allowed Dublin to be more physical than Monaghan
He's had an almost flawless game. From the black card, the two balls touched on the ground and overruling the 45. I haven't seen a display of officiating in either code like it this season.
He's not allowed to use screen though??? Is he?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2023, 07:08:49 PM
Respect to Monaghan, they didn't resort to the dirty hits that Armagh likely would have in their place.
Was wondering when it would come back to Armagh ;D
Was there any rows on the hill today ? If there was , no doubt it was those pesky Armagh fans in Dublin and Monaghan jerseys
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Quote from: Jonkunlon on July 15, 2023, 07:00:23 PM
Ref using the screen to overrule that 45 was awesome. He's had a great game.
Feel Hurson has allowed Dublin to be more physical than Monaghan
He's had an almost flawless game. From the black card, the two balls touched on the ground and overruling the 45. I haven't seen a display of officiating in either code like it this season.
He's not allowed to use screen though??? Is he?
Did he get the decision right?
Not if he's not allowed do it.
Though of course, justice was done.
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2023, 07:09:16 PM
It was tight for a long time and the scoreline wasn't a true reflection on the game. The Dubs will be better in 2 weeks.
Ye see this is what I don't get. Dublin were excellent, I don't know how much better they can play than that. Monaghan put it up to them and they came through, simple as that. Be interesting how the game goes tomorrow. I think it will be more of the same. Dubs and Kerry have got too much credit based on the QFs, and Derry and Monaghan not enough.
Gough gets the publicity but Hurson is probably the best referee in the game at the minute.
Thought the Dubs were very ordinary today, they looked toothless in attack and Fitzsimmons looks a shadow of his former self. Kerry will be happy looking at that match today.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 15, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Not if he's not allowed do it.
Though of course, justice was done.
I accept both your points. I'd rather a referee use his initiative and arrive at the right call. Fair play to him, it was cheeky.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2023, 07:24:18 PM
Gough gets the publicity but Hurson is probably the best referee in the game at the minute.
Thought the Dubs were very ordinary today, they looked toothless in attack and Fitzsimmons looks a shadow of his former self. Kerry will be happy looking at that match today.
Fitzy was excellent today, I thought.
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Gough gets the publicity but Hurson is probably the best referee in the game at the minute.
Thought the Dubs were very ordinary today, they looked toothless in attack and Fitzsimmons looks a shadow of his former self. Kerry will be happy looking at that match today.
Fitzy was excellent today, I thought.
Clifford will be licking his lips against Fitzsimmons.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 15, 2023, 07:15:06 PM
Tomas not sold on the Dubs by the sounds of it, think I'd agree with him, Monaghan faded in the last 15 after a great performance. Unfortunately for Derry I think that game would have knocked any lingering complacency out of Kerry too.
Kerry also have weaknesses, if not on the scale of Dublin
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Gough gets the publicity but Hurson is probably the best referee in the game at the minute.
Thought the Dubs were very ordinary today, they looked toothless in attack and Fitzsimmons looks a shadow of his former self. Kerry will be happy looking at that match today.
Fitzy was excellent today, I thought.
Clifford will be licking his lips against Fitzsimmons.
Maybe so. Kerry have to get there first though before we can see about that one.
Monaghan really should be very proud of themselves.
They really gave it their all.
I thought Monaghan would have played out the last quarter better when they leveled it at 12-12, but their sensibilities departed the stage and a kickout press reaped rewards for the Dubs. Kudos to Vinny, he orchestrated a good competitive Monaghan at the highest level in the GAA
Hurson made some good decisions but at the same time overall he was worth a clear 4 points to Dublin. I though he was poor in the Ulster s/f but then Derry were vastly superior to Mon. Here in a close game his name will forever have a black mark. Even so, in all probability the Dubs would have crawled over the line without his assistance.
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 07:48:41 PMHurson made some good decisions but at the same time overall he was worth a clear 4 points to Dublin.
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 07:48:41 PMHere in a close game his name will forever have a black mark.
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Hurson had a great game. But all the 50:50 calls went Dublin's way. And as the home team you'd expect that.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 15, 2023, 07:44:03 PM
Monaghan really should be very proud of themselves.
They really gave it their all.
U serious. They shit themselves again. How many times have these players pooped on the big day.
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Monaghan really should be very proud of themselves.
They really gave it their all.
U serious. They shit themselves again. How many times have these players pooped on the big day.
Yes I'm serious, they ran out of bench and legs .
I thought they were great value for over 60mins.
Had they only taken one of their Goal chances in the first half.
Brave effort by Monaghan but we're shot after the hour mark.
Needed everything to go right fir them but 2 off the timber, and messed up goal chances 1st half cost them.
Dublin's attacks were always that much faster and more dangerous looking.
Wonder will the media ease up on the Dublin hype they've been bombarding us with since they demolished clueless Mayowestros ?
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Gough gets the publicity but Hurson is probably the best referee in the game at the minute.
Thought the Dubs were very ordinary today, they looked toothless in attack and Fitzsimmons looks a shadow of his former self. Kerry will be happy looking at that match today.
Fitzy was excellent today, I thought.
Clifford will be licking his lips against Fitzsimmons.
Maybe so. Kerry have to get there first though before we can see about that one.
Yes of course, I'd love to see Derry get there but find it difficult to make a case for them.
As for Monaghan being bottlers which was bandied about by some on this board? It's the same accusation thrown at Mayo for losing in the latter stages of the championship for years now. Twenty odd other counties would love to have the success they have had from a limited playing pool. Corey should be crowned manager of the year for what he has achieved.
I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Monaghan got a few soft frees too. McManus bought one off Fitzsimons in the second half, and there was a very soft jersey pull against Small early on.
No way Fenton deliberately dragged the attacker down, so never a black card.
Dublin Sean.
It's a safe place to be for career longevity.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 15, 2023, 09:08:22 PM
Monaghan got a few soft frees too. McManus bought one off Fitzsimons in the second half, and there was a very soft jersey pull against Small early on.
No way Fenton deliberately dragged the attacker down, so never a black card.
What??? Have you looked at it? It's as clear a black card as you'll see!!
You can talk about McManus buying a free all you want but if he pulls up the onus is on Fitzsimons not to run into him so it was 100% a free!
Quote from: screenexile on July 15, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Look at yourself. Scully played 15. Got a black card and was subbed. Hard to stand out in 25 mins 15 of which he spent in the sin bin.
Think there are a few being harsh on monaghan here. Monaghan were fantastic and would have nowhere near the reserves that dublin have. To have their best chance if winning they kept mcmanus and Hughes on the field. Those two owe monaghan nothing and I'm sure if there were better on the bench Corey would have made the switch. No one expected monaghan to get as close which was basically level with ten minutes to go. At that stage monaghan were dead in their feet while the dubs were bringing in multiple all ireland medalists. Congrats to dublin but fair play to monaghan on a fantastic performance
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I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Look at yourself. Scully played 15. Got a black card and was subbed. Hard to stand out in 25 mins 15 of which he spent in the sin bin.
Yes... Dublin are in the habit of changing lads 10 Mins before half time... do you think there was a reason he was subbed??
Quote from: screenexile on July 15, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Making a habit of that this year, in their league performances against Clare,Derry away,Kildare,Cork and championship Kildare match in Leinster,Roscommon in the group stage and 1st half against Mayo the last day would be regarded as poor also. I think some credit should go towards those teams that made Dublin look poor.
If Kerry or Derry are well organised they can make Dublin look poor also in the upcoming All Ireland final.
Dublin have won a lot of games this year without playing particularly well. I'd be happy enough with a repeat of that in the final. Might be a while before we see one again.
Quote from: screenexile on July 15, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Dublin have only looked like the old Dublin in the 2nd half v Mayo. After that game the hype machine went on turbo charge. Definitely a good team, but as it stands now I'd favour the other semi final Derry/Kerry.
At this stage of the year the big guns Kerry, Dublin & Derry are effectively shadow boxing before the big hits.
Tomorrow is the first time two of the heavyweights go together.
Tbf the last ten to fifteen minutes today too.
Hurson actually made some very good calls but also at key moments made a couple of bad ones against Monaghan though I don't think it would have impacted the game. I don't think many would have made that off the ground or over carrying call he made against O'Callaghan but they were bang on.
The likes of Kieran hughes and the number six going off for Monaghan impacted them I think but they were busted and they didn't have the depth to cover it.
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I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Look at yourself. Scully played 15. Got a black card and was subbed. Hard to stand out in 25 mins 15 of which he spent in the sin bin.
Yes... Dublin are in the habit of changing lads 10 Mins before half time... do you think there was a reason he was subbed??
Scully was never talented enough to deserve a place in this Dublin team.
Scully had some good seasons, but he hasn't impressed the last few years.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 15, 2023, 10:29:46 PM
Scully had some good seasons, but he hasn't impressed the last few years.
His mistakes are what ultimately lost the Mayo game in the 2021 semi final.
Nah, that was lost on the line. We had Mayo on the ropes at the end of the first half, and instead of finishing them, we resorted to keep ball. I'm guessing as a way to preserve energy for the 2nd half, but it definitely backfired.
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I think the amount of lads who want to ride Hurson would need to look at things properly!
Yes he got a few calls right as you'd expect but he missed a blatant black card against Fenton for the goal chance and then 2 very handy Dublin frees in the first half! One of the Dublin lads grabbed a Monaghan arm then remonstrated he was held?! It wasn't good enough!!!
Dublin were very poor today. Scully and the Basquel were totally anonymous. Fenton was poor until the last 10 minutes to be fair. Plenty to pick at for the AIF!
Look at yourself. Scully played 15. Got a black card and was subbed. Hard to stand out in 25 mins 15 of which he spent in the sin bin.
Yes... Dublin are in the habit of changing lads 10 Mins before half time... do you think there was a reason he was subbed??
Scully was never talented enough to deserve a place in this Dublin team.
A bit harsh there, great player Scully. He was subbed today so that he didn't pick up another card. Most teams will not take that chance.
Monaghan played rightly, not shit themselves again, as a Tyrone man said on here, needed a midfielder, to allow Mohan to play in at Full forward, Dublin def not great under the high ball, last line of defence. McCarron should been Brought on earlier. I just thought they run out of steam, and we're running on empty with 5mins to go plus injury time. Derry lack of a strong bench, would worry me, looking at the end of the game here.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 11:00:04 PM
Monaghan played rightly, not shit themselves again, as a Tyrone man said on here, needed a midfielder, to allow Mohan to play in at Full forward, Dublin def not great under the high ball, last line of defence. McCarron should been Brought on earlier. I just thought they run out of steam, and we're running on empty with 5mins to go plus injury time. Derry lack of a strong bench, would worry me, looking at the end of the game here.
Fairly ignorant comment, maybe he should try telling Darren Hughes to his face?! ;D ;D
Monaghan did little wrong. Level scores with about 10 mins of normal time left. Just faded after that. Some great performances. McManus is a class act. I hope he gives it another year.
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 07:48:41 PM
I thought Monaghan would have played out the last quarter better when they leveled it at 12-12, but their sensibilities departed the stage and a kickout press reaped rewards for the Dubs. Kudos to Vinny, he orchestrated a good competitive Monaghan at the highest level in the GAA
Hurson made some good decisions but at the same time overall he was worth a clear 4 points to Dublin. I though he was poor in the Ulster s/f but then Derry were vastly superior to Mon. Here in a close game his name will forever have a black mark. Even so, in all probability the Dubs would have crawled over the line without his assistance.
At last someone who is calling out Hurson. I was at it and in the unusual position that i didnt mind who won. I also counted a clear +4 points in decisions that went dublins way. The killer one for me was early in the second half when there was a clear free to monghan in the hogan/davin corner. Dublin turned the ball over and got a quick score. Thats a 2 point swing. He done a monaghan fellow for steps in the middle of the pitch just after he done dublin. Really harsh call that was clearly all about balancing the books but then kilkenny is allowed his normal 7 or 8 steps afterwards. I agree that in the end Dublin's subs were always going to get the job done but Hurson ensured there was no doubt. The ref should have been from connaught or munster. That was the argument that i heard on my way out and i don't disagree. The GAA need to be smarter about these things.
Would you have wanted Conor Lane? I wouldn't.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 15, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
At this stage of the year the big guns Kerry, Dublin & Derry are effectively shadow boxing before the big hits.
Tomorrow is the first time two of the heavyweights go together.
Lol Derry heavyweights lol
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Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 07:48:41 PM
I thought Monaghan would have played out the last quarter better when they leveled it at 12-12, but their sensibilities departed the stage and a kickout press reaped rewards for the Dubs. Kudos to Vinny, he orchestrated a good competitive Monaghan at the highest level in the GAA
Hurson made some good decisions but at the same time overall he was worth a clear 4 points to Dublin. I though he was poor in the Ulster s/f but then Derry were vastly superior to Mon. Here in a close game his name will forever have a black mark. Even so, in all probability the Dubs would have crawled over the line without his assistance.
At last someone who is calling out Hurson. I was at it and in the unusual position that i didnt mind who won. I also counted a clear +4 points in decisions that went dublins way. The killer one for me was early in the second half when there was a clear free to monghan in the hogan/davin corner. Dublin turned the ball over and got a quick score. Thats a 2 point swing. He done a monaghan fellow for steps in the middle of the pitch just after he done dublin. Really harsh call that was clearly all about balancing the books but then kilkenny is allowed his normal 7 or 8 steps afterwards. I agree that in the end Dublin's subs were always going to get the job done but Hurson ensured there was no doubt. The ref should have been from connaught or munster. That was the argument that i heard on my way out and i don't disagree. The GAA need to be smarter about these things.
He was consistent, which imo, is all you can ask. He gave soft frees against both teams, and called overcarrying and touching on the ground equally.
His most egregious error, at least by official rules, was his unoffical VAR call against Dublin, denying them a fairly handy 45 just by the post (correctly, but not by the rules).
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Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2023, 07:48:41 PM
I thought Monaghan would have played out the last quarter better when they leveled it at 12-12, but their sensibilities departed the stage and a kickout press reaped rewards for the Dubs. Kudos to Vinny, he orchestrated a good competitive Monaghan at the highest level in the GAA
Hurson made some good decisions but at the same time overall he was worth a clear 4 points to Dublin. I though he was poor in the Ulster s/f but then Derry were vastly superior to Mon. Here in a close game his name will forever have a black mark. Even so, in all probability the Dubs would have crawled over the line without his assistance.
At last someone who is calling out Hurson. I was at it and in the unusual position that i didnt mind who won. I also counted a clear +4 points in decisions that went dublins way. The killer one for me was early in the second half when there was a clear free to monghan in the hogan/davin corner. Dublin turned the ball over and got a quick score. Thats a 2 point swing. He done a monaghan fellow for steps in the middle of the pitch just after he done dublin. Really harsh call that was clearly all about balancing the books but then kilkenny is allowed his normal 7 or 8 steps afterwards. I agree that in the end Dublin's subs were always going to get the job done but Hurson ensured there was no doubt. The ref should have been from connaught or munster. That was the argument that i heard on my way out and i don't disagree. The GAA need to be smarter about these things.
He was consistent, which imo, is all you can ask. He gave soft frees against both teams, and called overcarrying and touching on the ground equally.
His most egregious error, at least by official rules, was his unoffical VAR call against Dublin, denying them a fairly handy 45 just by the post (correctly, but not by the rules).
I dont know what it was like on TV but live it seemed that Monaghan couldn't buy a free but dublin got every decision going. I could be wrong but that's how it seemed to me. McManus was being held every time monaghan were building up but hurson didnt manage to see it once. He did manage to give Dublin a free for that early in the 1st half. That's not consistent
Well, admittedly I only saw it on TV (over here stateside, and took in my annual in person game there two weeks ago against Mayo). So I don't have your perspective.
But from what I saw on tv, there were at least two soft frees that Monaghan scored from (early first half, phantom jersey pull from Small; McManus second half against Fitzsimons), and the VAR decision on the (incorrectly awarded) 45 that Dublin would almost certainly have scored from.
I also I think Dublin got some soft frees, so I think that's just how this ref calls the game, rather than there being any bias.
I also think that just prior to the (correct) black card call on Scully, he was fouled on the ground (forearm to the face area). Another ref might have called that as a free for Scully, and not the black, as that foul occurred first.
Monaghan were a bit unlucky with the woodwork in the first half, and that might have changed things another day, but the ref was a non-factor as far as the result was concerned.
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Best to watch it on rewind, + fast-forward through the endless recycling.
Time for a shot-clock?
Serious?
There wasn't a huge amount of keep ball in that game imo. It was a good hard game of football with contests all over the pitch, that's the antithesis of keep ball which aims to endlessly recycle away from contact to the point where the opposition, ref and crowd fall asleep and a shooting opportunity can be engineered.
Fair play to Monaghan, that was much closer than 7pts, a bit of luck or better decisions in the first half would have given more to cling on to.
For the dubs this was more evidence that they are not the team of old, they've been exposed time and again all season and despite all the players blooded these past few years, it was McCaffrey, Fenton, Costello, Kilkenny et al who saw them through today.
Ref was grand, wouldn't say he influenced the outcome. All in all a really enjoyable game, just a pity it wasn't one score going into that last minute or so. For Monaghan, that has to be a positive season, tipped by all to be relegated, taken apart by Derry in Ulster, some turnaround by Corey.
The one Hurson call I could not figure out ( and there were a few) was the free out for the Dubs when Gary Mohan leapt for a ball and he blows a free out
Think Mohan made contact with a Dubs head but replay clearly shows Mohan only having eyes for the ball
A very strange decision I thought and indicated the more benign view Hurson took towards the Dubs overall today
He didn't win it for them but he was certainly kinder to Dubs than Monaghan
He did get some calls spot on - I will give him that Hanlon touching on the ground and Dubs touching g on the ground we're both correct calls
Monaghan had their chances in 1st half and didn't take them , ran out of steam and bench options in the end
Dubs have a lot to do before they are fit for an All Ireland final
The referee definitely was worth a couple points to Dublin. Really if Monaghan were to win they needed at least a goal if not more and a referee giving them the benefit of the doubt.
There was several big calls by ref that killed Monaghan momentum. All that said, Dublin were still the better team and I think lead the whole way. I think they were about 2-4 points the better team in that.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 16, 2023, 12:12:37 AM
Well, admittedly I only saw it on TV (over here stateside, and took in my annual in person game there two weeks ago against Mayo). So I don't have your perspective.
But from what I saw on tv, there were at least two soft frees that Monaghan scored from (early first half, phantom jersey pull from Small; McManus second half against Fitzsimons), and the VAR decision on the (incorrectly awarded) 45 that Dublin would almost certainly have scored from.
I also I think Dublin got some soft frees, so I think that's just how this ref calls the game, rather than there being any bias.
I also think that just prior to the (correct) black card call on Scully, he was fouled on the ground (forearm to the face area). Another ref might have called that as a free for Scully, and not the black, as that foul occurred first.
Monaghan were a bit unlucky with the woodwork in the first half, and that might have changed things another day, but the ref was a non-factor as far as the result was concerned.
The McManus free was absolutely a free. Yes he played it up a bit but there was no question on that.
I would agree on the scully incident. Arm on the face first but if you don't see that and it was hard to then it's a black.
.Mohan one, yes he had eyes on the ball, and initially couldn't understand the free, but on review, took the head of a Sub going for the ball, unsighted or not, so I call that a free. McManus one was obviously a free. As Fitzsimmons came into his back, didn't matter if McManus slowed down or not.
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.Mohan one, yes he had eyes on the ball, and initially couldn't understand the free, but on review, took the head of a Sub going for the ball, unsighted or not, so I call that a free. McManus one was obviously a free. As Fitzsimmons came into his back, didn't matter if McManus slowed down or not.
James McCarthy did the very same against Mayo on the 2nd half throw in. Result? Point for Dublin.
Monaghan raised the bar. There is no shame in losing to that Dublin team. Winning is about learning and cutting out the mistakes- eg turnovers and taking chances as they happen. Monaghan can get to an all Ireland final. The new system gives the team more time together. They might get a handy semi.They might not even need that.
"They will be remembered by their people". The Follower.
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Monaghan really should be very proud of themselves.
They really gave it their all.
U serious. They shit themselves again. How many times have these players pooped on the big day.
Yes I'm serious, they ran out of bench and legs .
I thought they were great value for over 60mins.
Had they only taken one of their Goal chances in the first half.
Brilliant value over the 60 mins they alway are. Just like Mayo always great viewing, but bottom line is everyone knew they would come up short. Level again with 10 mins to and Dublin scored 1-5. Happens every time on the big stage in Croke park. That's not bad luck it's not having the mental resolve to see it through.
These Monaghan players will always have an asterisk beside them for failing in Croke Park
ON the SUBject of too many steps , the most noticeable one was Rock's goal. He took at least 8 or 9. That score was massive in a tight game , effectively the winning of the game.
The pass inside for the goal was class
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Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2023, 10:06:57 AM
ON the SUBject of too many steps , the most noticeable one was Rock's goal. He took at least 8 or 9. That score was massive in a tight game , effectively the winning of the game.
Game was over at that point was it not. I know it was over carrying but the rule is rarely applied to the letter of the law. If you hesitate you get blown up, if you very clearly over carry when soloing out the field you get blown up, if you are riding a tackle usually get 7 or 8 steps.
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2023, 10:06:57 AM
ON the SUBject of too many steps , the most noticeable one was Rock's goal. He took at least 8 or 9. That score was massive in a tight game , effectively the winning of the game.
Game was over at that point was it not. I know it was over carrying but the rule is rarely applied to the letter of the law. If you hesitate you get blown up, if you very clearly over carry when soloing out the field you get blown up, if you are riding a tackle usually get 7 or 8 steps.
The one on Oconnell was really harsh and was clearly only blown to balance the books. After that Con got away with at lest 2 more including the goal. If the ref is going to enforce it then blow them all up
That was a tough one to take yesterday. Even though it was nip and tuck for most of the game, I never allowed myself to get too carried away as we all know that 3rd quarter blitz that the Dubs can pull out of the drawer to blow you away. But with it being level at 60 minutes, you're well in the mix and you feel anything can happen, you'd have taken the hand off anyone offering that all week. We'd made a habit of finishing games strong all year, but the Dubs in Croke Park with that experience and depth of squad is a different animal. The return of those lads into the squad this year was very telling, it's tough to match up to a panel like that.
I felt we did an awful lot of things right to be in that position. In the cold light of day this morning, we needed to be a bit more adventurous when we had some momentum. By the time we really started going direct and testing the Dubs full back line, they had their tails up and it was too late. We needed to be doing that a bit earlier. We were a little unfortunate in the first half with a couple hitting the woodwork and some goal chances not taken, we needed to take one of those in a game like this. I was a little surprised to see such effusive praise for Hurson. It was far from the worst refereeing performance I've seen, but I think he gave us a raw deal on a few occasions which either halted our momentum or helped Dublin's. Don't think it was a factor in the result of the game given how the Dubs finished, but it was a bit frustrating. The scoreline was harsh too, doesn't reflect the nature of the game but I guess that's what happens when you push up late on and leave yourself exposed.
There's alot to say about the players, but they've done the county proud as they have for so long. Special word for Vinny though- there's been so much said about what a thankless job he took on(sooner that he'd have probably liked), but what a job he's done. Whether its been dealing with tricky selection decisions, blooding youth or resting older lads, talking to the media after wins and defeats, highs and lows - he's done it all with a huge amount of dignity and respect. There's not many football people within the county that would be held in higher regard than Vinny, and I think nationwide people can see that with how his squad respond to him. I always felt he was very underrated as a player (he'd put the head down and get on with the job at hand with zero fuss) so it's great to see the praise and recognition he's getting now as a fledging manager.
Finally, it's been a bit annoying to see all the speculation about Mansy retiring, when he hadn't said a word about it himself yet. I know it's understandable when you reach a certain age, but it feels like people have been speculating on him for a few years now(as well as a few other players) - let them make up their own minds, and if they do retire then let them announce it when it feels right to them. Even Mansy being asked immediately after the game felt like they were looking for some sort of exclusive. As he said - that wasn't the day for that. I remember another interview about a year ago (on Off the Ball I think) where he basically said "Jeez lads quit trying to get rid of me!" I wouldn't mind, but he put in a fantastic performance in a high pressure AI semi final against one of the best teams in the land, and played the full game. That certainly looked like a player that still has alot to offer - if he wants to. Vinny managed his game time brilliantly this year so he could do the same again in 2024 if he makes himself available.
At the end of the day he owes the county absolutely nothing, he'll be a legend either way and if that's his last game, then he went out swinging.
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
That was a tough one to take yesterday. Even though it was nip and tuck for most of the game, I never allowed myself to get too carried away as we all know that 3rd quarter blitz that the Dubs can pull out of the drawer to blow you away. But with it being level at 60 minutes, you're well in the mix and you feel anything can happen, you'd have taken the hand off anyone offering that all week. We'd made a habit of finishing games strong all year, but the Dubs in Croke Park with that experience and depth of squad is a different animal. The return of those lads into the squad this year was very telling, it's tough to match up to a panel like that.
I felt we did an awful lot of things right to be in that position. In the cold light of day this morning, we needed to be a bit more adventurous when we had some momentum. By the time we really started going direct and testing the Dubs full back line, they had their tails up and it was too late. We needed to be doing that a bit earlier. We were a little unfortunate in the first half with a couple hitting the woodwork and some goal chances not taken, we needed to take one of those in a game like this. I was a little surprised to see such effusive praise for Hurson. It was far from the worst refereeing performance I've seen, but I think he gave us a raw deal on a few occasions which either halted our momentum or helped Dublin's. Don't think it was a factor in the result of the game given how the Dubs finished, but it was a bit frustrating. The scoreline was harsh too, doesn't reflect the nature of the game but I guess that's what happens when you push up late on and leave yourself exposed.
There's alot to say about the players, but they've done the county proud as they have for so long. Special word for Vinny though- there's been so much said about what a thankless job he took on(sooner that he'd have probably liked), but what a job he's done. Whether its been dealing with tricky selection decisions, blooding youth or resting older lads, talking to the media after wins and defeats, highs and lows - he's done it all with a huge amount of dignity and respect. There's not many football people within the county that would be held in higher regard than Vinny, and I think nationwide people can see that with how his squad respond to him. I always felt he was very underrated as a player (he'd put the head down and get on with the job at hand with zero fuss) so it's great to see the praise and recognition he's getting now as a fledging manager.
Finally, it's been a bit annoying to see all the speculation about Mansy retiring, when he hadn't said a word about it himself yet. I know it's understandable when you reach a certain age, but it feels like people have been speculating on him for a few years now(as well as a few other players) - let them make up their own minds, and if they do retire then let them announce it when it feels right to them. Even Mansy being asked immediately after the game felt like they were looking for some sort of exclusive. As he said - that wasn't the day for that. I remember another interview about a year ago (on Off the Ball I think) where he basically said "Jeez lads quit trying to get rid of me!" I wouldn't mind, but he put in a fantastic performance in a high pressure AI semi final against one of the best teams in the land, and played the full game. That certainly looked like a player that still has alot to offer - if he wants to. Vinny managed his game time brilliantly this year so he could do the same again in 2024 if he makes himself available.
At the end of the day he owes the county absolutely nothing, he'll be a legend either way and if that's his last game, then he went out swinging.
You have to play at that level in order to understand what is required to go beyond it.
I thought yesterday was a huge step forward for Monaghan. It was a marker-
There will be plenty of time in the winter to reflect.
The new system is also a positive.
Beidh aris ann.
Quote from: Mario on July 16, 2023, 10:38:59 AM
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ON the SUBject of too many steps , the most noticeable one was Rock's goal. He took at least 8 or 9. That score was massive in a tight game , effectively the winning of the game.
Game was over at that point was it not. I know it was over carrying but the rule is rarely applied to the letter of the law. If you hesitate you get blown up, if you very clearly over carry when soloing out the field you get blown up, if you are riding a tackle usually get 7 or 8 steps.
Yes it was over, Dublin four points up and 3 minutes into added time. Main question I'd have was who was meant to be marking Dean Rock?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1IBJsOWIAEBrqF?format=jpg&name=medium)
They were chasing the game at that point, probably took some risks bringing players into more forward positions than earlier in the game.
^ Beggan not the fastest off his line either. I felt like a couple of his poor kick outs in the final 10 minutes with the game in the balance also contributed to Monaghan's defeat.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:54:37 AM
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
Yup - the Fenton one was never in a million years going to be given as a black card.
Only someone very unfamiliar with how the rule is applied week-in week-out would even be calling for a black card.
Ref got the vast vast majority of his calls right. Wasn't a factor in Dublin winning for me.
I felt Monaghan's losing of the game was in the first half - can't remember who it was but the Monaghan player who took on the shot at goal when he was well covered when he had two man unmarked on the overlap was an unforgiveable mistake. You'd be pulling aside an U10 and having a word if he did that in training. To do it in a All-Ireland semi-final is utter madness.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 16, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:54:37 AM
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
I felt Monaghan's losing of the game was in the first half - can't remember who it was but the Monaghan player who took on the shot at goal when he was well covered when he had two man unmarked on the overlap was an unforgiveable mistake. You'd be pulling aside an U10 and having a word if he did that in training. To do it in a All-Ireland semi-final is utter madness.
McAnespie. Yep that was a huge opportunity missed, very odd from him too as he'd have a cool head and his decision making is typically top class
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 16, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:54:37 AM
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
Yup - the Fenton one was never in a million years going to be given as a black card.
Only someone very unfamiliar with how the rule is applied week-in week-out would even be calling for a black card.
Ref got the vast vast majority of his calls right. Wasn't a factor in Dublin winning for me.
I felt Monaghan's losing of the game was in the first half - can't remember who it was but the Monaghan player who took on the shot at goal when he was well covered when he had two man unmarked on the overlap was an unforgiveable mistake. You'd be pulling aside an U10 and having a word if he did that in training. To do it in a All-Ireland semi-final is utter madness.
Agree. For the life of me i have no idea why he decided to shoot when he had 2 unmarked players to his right.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 16, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:54:37 AM
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
Yup - the Fenton one was never in a million years going to be given as a black card.
Only someone very unfamiliar with how the rule is applied week-in week-out would even be calling for a black card.
Ref got the vast vast majority of his calls right. Wasn't a factor in Dublin winning for me.
I felt Monaghan's losing of the game was in the first half - can't remember who it was but the Monaghan player who took on the shot at goal when he was well covered when he had two man unmarked on the overlap was an unforgiveable mistake. You'd be pulling aside an U10 and having a word if he did that in training. To do it in a All-Ireland semi-final is utter madness.
Agree. For the life of me i have no idea why he decided to shoot when he had 2 unmarked players to his right.
Just saw that on the Sunday Game. I didnt realise live that he had those options. How soft was the free dublin got just before HT. Bring back Brolly - he'd have the guts to call that stuff out.
Quote from: straightred on July 16, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 16, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:54:37 AM
Some amount of moaning about the ref. Watched the game late last night after being out, so a few drinks had, but felt Hurson was grand, and for the VAR call should be applauded, in his defence he could have had a call in his ear from a linesman or whatever but the fact he looked up gave it that 'VAR'
Some soft ones here and there but by and large nothing to get worked up about. Fenton no black card was correct, he was attempting to tackle the ball and wasn't deliberately trying to pull someone down.
Yup - the Fenton one was never in a million years going to be given as a black card.
Only someone very unfamiliar with how the rule is applied week-in week-out would even be calling for a black card.
Ref got the vast vast majority of his calls right. Wasn't a factor in Dublin winning for me.
I felt Monaghan's losing of the game was in the first half - can't remember who it was but the Monaghan player who took on the shot at goal when he was well covered when he had two man unmarked on the overlap was an unforgiveable mistake. You'd be pulling aside an U10 and having a word if he did that in training. To do it in a All-Ireland semi-final is utter madness.
Agree. For the life of me i have no idea why he decided to shoot when he had 2 unmarked players to his right.
Just saw that on the Sunday Game. I didnt realise live that he had those options. How soft was the free dublin got just before HT. Bring back Brolly - he'd have the guts to call that stuff out.
I doubt it, Brolly's head is stuck deep inside Dublin's árse.
On that last free before ht, any ref with a smidgen of common sense should have copped on that it was the Dublin player dragging on the Monaghan defender's hand, sure Hurson was great altogether ::)
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
He called it wrong, even an idiot ref on review should be able to see that, I can't speak for why he called it wrong.
BBC's ref in the video frame was also puzzled as to explain why he called it a foul.
Two easy scorable frees were awarded to Dublin in that 1st half for non fouls.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
This is why Hurson was poor yesterday. If he calls that then he gives Monaghan frees for similar incidences. Except he didn't. Look at the abuse McManus got in the 2nd half off the ball and didnt get one free. Why did he do it ? I don't know. Maybe the crowd got to him or the pressure of Dublin on home soil.
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
He called it wrong, even an idiot ref on review should be able to see that, I can't speak for why he called it wrong.
BBC's ref in the video frame was also puzzled as to explain why he called it a foul.
Two easy scorable frees were awarded to Dublin in that 1st half for non fouls.
So he called it wrong in the moment.. it happens. I'm sure had he a better view he'd say different. But these things happen.
But for some to blame home soil, pressure or it's Dublin is clutching, as I said earlier. Best just to get someone to ref it from the sofa, they'll do a better job
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
He called it wrong, even an idiot ref on review should be able to see that, I can't speak for why he called it wrong.
BBC's ref in the video frame was also puzzled as to explain why he called it a foul.
Two easy scorable frees were awarded to Dublin in that 1st half for non fouls.
So he called it wrong in the moment.. it happens. I'm sure had he a better view he'd say different. But these things happen.
But for some to blame home soil, pressure or it's Dublin is clutching, as I said earlier. Best just to get someone to ref it from the sofa, they'll do a better job
No, ref it properly from the pitch. Do your job. Be consistent. It's an AISF and it shouldn't be too much to ask for. On yesterday's display he shouldn't get another one
Quote from: straightred on July 16, 2023, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
He called it wrong, even an idiot ref on review should be able to see that, I can't speak for why he called it wrong.
BBC's ref in the video frame was also puzzled as to explain why he called it a foul.
Two easy scorable frees were awarded to Dublin in that 1st half for non fouls.
So he called it wrong in the moment.. it happens. I'm sure had he a better view he'd say different. But these things happen.
But for some to blame home soil, pressure or it's Dublin is clutching, as I said earlier. Best just to get someone to ref it from the sofa, they'll do a better job
No, ref it properly from the pitch. Do your job. Be consistent. It's an AISF and it shouldn't be too much to ask for. On yesterday's display he shouldn't get another one
So the Monaghan player that should have laid off the ball, he should have done his job, and the player that left Rock free as a bird at the end should have done his ffs.. in fairness those lads shouldn't get another opportunity to play for Monaghan again
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 16, 2023, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
Give me one reason why he didn't call it if he seen it that way? What is it that he gains from not calling it?
He called it wrong, even an idiot ref on review should be able to see that, I can't speak for why he called it wrong.
BBC's ref in the video frame was also puzzled as to explain why he called it a foul.
Two easy scorable frees were awarded to Dublin in that 1st half for non fouls.
So he called it wrong in the moment.. it happens. I'm sure had he a better view he'd say different. But these things happen.
But for some to blame home soil, pressure or it's Dublin is clutching, as I said earlier. Best just to get someone to ref it from the sofa, they'll do a better job
No, ref it properly from the pitch. Do your job. Be consistent. It's an AISF and it shouldn't be too much to ask for. On yesterday's display he shouldn't get another one
So the Monaghan player that should have laid off the ball, he should have done his job, and the player that left Rock free as a bird at the end should have done his ffs.. in fairness those lads should get another opportunity to play for Monaghan again
FFS. A ref's job is to apply the rules. That means apply them equally to both teams. He failed to do that yesterday. Seeing as you brought up the goal. Not that it mattered but there's another one for Hurson. He mysteriously failed to spot the 9 steps that Con took before he picked Rock out. The pressure got to him. It happens in all sports. The big names get the big decisions. He's not the first ref to fall victim ad he won't be the last
He's not watching replays, he's not watching it from the angle you're watching it, he's a split second to call it and make a decision, he's not there to make you happy or gives a stuff who wins. I asked you why would he not call it if he seen it?
You threw up some fairly daft responses, losers will always deflect and look for reasons to blame the inadequate failings of their team, human nature I suppose.
A Ref's view
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41185039.html
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
He's not watching replays, he's not watching it from the angle you're watching it, he's a split second to call it and make a decision, he's not there to make you happy or gives a stuff who wins. I asked you why would he not call it if he seen it?
You threw up some fairly daft responses, losers will always deflect and look for reasons to blame the inadequate failings of their team, human nature I suppose.
I'm not even from Monaghan. I admire them. I'd like Dublin to win it now if only to see the older players get that 9th medal. Best team of my lifetime and unlikely to ever to bettered. That's not the point here though. I answered your question. The pressure of 50,000 off fans got to him. He give Dublin really soft frees that he didn't give to Monaghan. He shouldn't have but he did. I threw in the example of the goal only because you brought it up. It didn't matter result wise but it shouldn't have stood. A blind man could have seen that.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 11:54:35 PM
A Ref's view
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41185039.html
Ffs put up a creditable ref, maybe one that's ref'd football ffs, and one that's not full of his own importance
Quote from: straightred on July 16, 2023, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
He's not watching replays, he's not watching it from the angle you're watching it, he's a split second to call it and make a decision, he's not there to make you happy or gives a stuff who wins. I asked you why would he not call it if he seen it?
You threw up some fairly daft responses, losers will always deflect and look for reasons to blame the inadequate failings of their team, human nature I suppose.
I'm not even from Monaghan. I admire them. I'd like Dublin to win it now if only to see the older players get that 9th medal. Best team of my lifetime and unlikely to ever to bettered. That's not the point here though. I answered your question. The pressure of 50,000 off fans got to him. He give Dublin really soft frees that he didn't give to Monaghan. He shouldn't have but he did. I threw in the example of the goal only because you brought it up. It didn't matter result wise but it shouldn't have stood. A blind man could have seen that.
Was that his biggest attendance game ? I don't buy the pressure of 50,000 or doing games at Croke or Dublin. People view things as they see fit, what were the stats on fouls/advantages?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 11:54:35 PM
A Ref's view
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41185039.html
Ffs put up a creditable ref, maybe one that's ref'd football ffs, and one that's not full of his own importance
He's only refereed at the highest level (or does Hurley stuff refereeing not count ;D)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2023, 09:07:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2023, 11:54:35 PM
A Ref's view
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41185039.html
Ffs put up a creditable ref, maybe one that's ref'd football ffs, and one that's not full of his own importance
He's only refereed at the highest level (or does Hurley stuff refereeing not count ;D)
So is it two different sports or not? I know you wouldn't know a hurl if it smashed you in the face but come on
You jealous because no paper paying you to give a Ref's view.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2023, 10:27:23 AM
You jealous because no paper paying you to give a Ref's view.
I'm good thanks, there's enough referee bashing going on, both through the media and on the pitch
Wait until there is a shortage of Referees and then you'll appreciate what they give to the game.