Almost time now.
My money is on France to win it.Success for Ireland would be qualifying from the group stages.
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Belgium. The World Cup was a tournament too early. Hazard player of the tournament.
If they get out of that group that is.
Would just one win get Ireland out of the Group stages? I'm pretty sure a win and a draw would be ok. Really we will be hoping the top two seeds in the other groups will win their games against the two lower seeds.
3rd place in our group will play the winners of Group D or A. Possibly Spain or France.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
Belgium. The World Cup was a tournament too early. Hazard player of the tournament.
If they get out of that group that is.
I'm torn on Belgium. Courtois seems to have had a lot of injuries and losses of form. They've probably got lucky with Kompany being injured meaning the two Spurs lads can resume their partnership at centre back. Dembele had a good season but then Benteke and Lukaku are both out of form currently.
My tip was France before it was confirmed Benzema was out but I'd still go with them as I think Martial could have a big impact along with Griezmann.
Belgium, me hole.
They're totally over rated. They'll be nowhere near winning it. There's only 2 contenders for me: Germany and Spain. I think Germany will win it though
Quote from: BennyCake on May 22, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Belgium, me hole.
They're totally over rated. They'll be nowhere near winning it. There's only 2 contenders for me: Germany and Spain. I think Germany will win it though
Have to agree with you there. They have a lot of Fancy Dan players. You'll always have to fancy The Germans always get in tournaments. Spain have got over their Tournament hoodoo of the past. Would like to see England go a bit of the way - But not all the way!
dont think belgium will win it either, spain for me.
ronaldo for top scorer, portugal are in a weaker group and he could score a few goals in the group stage.
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
Was all over the Germans for the World Cup and i'm starting to warm to them again after thinking for the past 6 months i'd be against them, Reus with a full season under his belt will be a big addition and Howedes returning will really strengthen the defence,he had a really good World cup.
The French squad looks really good but i've my doubts about how well they're going to perform at the business end, i can see them looking like world beaters early on but failing when it gets serious either through falling out with each other or bottling it.
The Croatians and Welsh could be 2 sides to surprise a few.
Croatia have 2 of the best midfielders in the world in Rakitic and Modric and have Kovacic who's getting plenty of gametime at Real Madrid and is a young player that could could make a big impact. Perisic and Mandzukic are good going forward and there's a lad with Fiorentina that's meant to be pretty good too. Defence doesn't look great on paper but it doesn't always work out like that and the coach has left Lovren out for his poor attitude despite him having a pretty good season since Klopp arrived and that could work one of 2 ways for the Croasts,either uniting or dividing the team,hopefully the former.
Wales are getting very little credit for what they've achieved, their recent form looks poor on paper but they were friendlies and games where they had little to nothing to play for, prior to that they were very good. Defending really well and being well organised and breaking with great effect. They also have what a lot of sides don't have a truly world class player in Bale, he could be the star of this tournament for me, they also have a very good player in Ramsey and an organised and determined side with that bit of quality can do well in this type of tournament and i fully expect them to qualify from their group and it could be at the expense of England who are going to do nothing again i feel.
As for ourselves i'm quietly optimistic, The Belgians will probably take the first spot but ourselves and Sweden are of a similar level as long as we can keep Zlatan reasonably quiet and the Italians don't seem to have much quality up front and have lost their 2 best midfielders in Marchisio and Veratti. Getting out of the group would be success and anything else would be fantastic to top it off.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
Let's hope that clown Smalling is in the England team. England haven't a hope though, as usual.
The Wife's due 15th June so I've 2 weeks off for it... Impeccable timing!!
Joey Barton added to the TV3 panel line up :-\
I like Joey. He's a pseudo intellectual, but he'd say anything. I think he'll be delighted to have a go at Irish TV instead of the bland British stuff.
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2016, 02:14:21 PM
Joey Barton added to the TV3 panel line up :-\
What is it with Southern TV and Rangers men? ;)
Quote from: NAG1 on May 23, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2016, 02:14:21 PM
Joey Barton added to the TV3 panel line up :-\
What is it with Southern TV and Rangers men? ;)
Yes QPR !!!
Have yis heard Ireland's official Euros song yet?
It's no "Put 'Em Under Pressure" that's for sure.
Is it the Eurovision one?
Sounds like a Eurovision entry alright.
Although there's some good bits of commentary laced throughout it, and some Bill O at the end. Chorus is shite though. Doubt it'll get sung in the stands.
the commercialism of the big soccer tournaments is sickening
There's a lot that sickens or annoys you seafoid. You need to chill out a bit. I never met such a wound up man from west of the Shannon :)
No great surprise I suppose, but Marc Wilson confirms he won't be fit for Euros. Antrim still well represented by OWC of course
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
No great surprise I suppose, but Marc Wilson confirms he won't be fit for Euros. Antrim still well represented by OWC of course
I'd say we'll cope alright without him.....
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
No great surprise I suppose, but Marc Wilson confirms he won't be fit for Euros. Antrim still well represented by OWC of course
I'd say we'll cope alright without him.....
I'd say we'll be struggling to cope with or without him
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
No great surprise I suppose, but Marc Wilson confirms he won't be fit for Euros. Antrim still well represented by OWC of course
I'd say we'll cope alright without him.....
Why do you show such an obvious disdain for all things associated with The North.
After a while you come across a bit of a p***k to be fair.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 23, 2016, 05:02:49 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 23, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
No great surprise I suppose, but Marc Wilson confirms he won't be fit for Euros. Antrim still well represented by OWC of course
I'd say we'll cope alright without him.....
Why do you show such an obvious disdain for all things associated with The North.
After a while you come across a bit of a p***k to be fair.
Bit over sensitive there are you?
I don't care where he's from. He's not a very good player imo.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 22, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Belgium, me hole.
They're totally over rated. They'll be nowhere near winning it. There's only 2 contenders for me: Germany and Spain. I think Germany will win it though
Spain's preliminary 25 man squad has named forwards Pedro (Chelsea) Morata (Juventus), Nolito, a 29 year old who plays for Celta Vigo and 35 year old Aduriz of Bilbao. Pedro isn't an out and out goalscorer, OK, Morata is a prospect but the other two aren't exactly household names. I'd worry about where the goals might come from.
Not sensitive but its noticeable that every other comment you make on the board usually has a snide remark or slant of that kind.
Not referring specifically to Wilson but in general.
Gets tiresome. But work away if that's how ye get your kicks.
R o Oireland could be looking at a repeat of 2012.
They should cut the numbers for the finals down by half to avoid such embarrassment. I think Europe had 31 countries in 1988 when we made the last 8. Now there are 55 countries. Most of the new ones are shite at soccer, with some honourable exceptions. The group stages are a joke.
The new song gets better the more you here it. It was dog turd first time round. Dont know why they dont just make up to date lyrics for the game the memories.
Quote from: seafoid on May 23, 2016, 05:26:04 PM
R o Oireland could be looking at a repeat of 2012.
They should cut the numbers for the finals down by half to avoid such embarrassment. I think Europe had 31 countries in 1988 when we made the last 8. Now there are 55 countries. Most of the new ones are shite at soccer, with some honourable exceptions. The group stages are a joke.
The Republic would not have qualiied had that been the case.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
1. Best forward line at the tournament? Don't mistake hype for substance.
2. How could any self respecting Irishman back England to win the championship.
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2016, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 22, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Belgium, me hole.
They're totally over rated. They'll be nowhere near winning it. There's only 2 contenders for me: Germany and Spain. I think Germany will win it though
Spain's preliminary 25 man squad has named forwards Pedro (Chelsea) Morata (Juventus), Nolito, a 29 year old who plays for Celta Vigo and 35 year old Aduriz of Bilbao. Pedro isn't an out and out goalscorer, OK, Morata is a prospect but the other two aren't exactly household names. I'd worry about where the goals might come from.
I'd be thinking similar, i actually expected Torres to get into the squad as he's back among the goals and has done it on the international stage before. They still have a serious outfit, the defence and midfield very impressive but getting goals could well be a big issue.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2016, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
1. Best forward line at the tournament? Don't mistake hype for substance.
2. How could any self respecting Irishman back England to win the championship.
Got it in 1. These boys will do little or nothing the same as all the other superstars they had.
I'm genuinely not saying they'll win it, but England's historical underperformance shouldn't sway thinking on this year's team.
Roll back to 1997 and France were the serial underachievers of world football. Just a decade ago that mantle belonged to Spain. If you think that the press in either of those countries was any less enthusiastic pre-tournament or any less ruthless post-tournament than England's tabloids have been, then you are mistaken.
Whether we like it or not, the law of averages says a footballing population the size of England will eventually head the table for a few years. I'm not saying it'll be this year. But it will happen soon.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 23, 2016, 08:43:37 PM
I'm genuinely not saying they'll win it, but England's historical underperformance shouldn't sway thinking on this year's team.
Roll back to 1997 and France were the serial underachievers of world football. Just a decade ago that mantle belonged to Spain. If you think that the press in either of those countries was any less enthusiastic pre-tournament or any less ruthless post-tournament than England's tabloids have been, then you are mistaken.
Whether we like it or not, the law of averages says a footballing population the size of England will eventually head the table for a few years. I'm not saying it'll be this year. But it will happen soon.
Until they create a top drawer midfielder they'll be winning nothing. The midfield they're likely to play in this tournament is probably not going to be in the top half dozen midfields in the tournament,until they sort that they'll do nothing.
Quote from: beer baron on May 23, 2016, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 23, 2016, 08:43:37 PM
I'm genuinely not saying they'll win it, but England's historical underperformance shouldn't sway thinking on this year's team.
Roll back to 1997 and France were the serial underachievers of world football. Just a decade ago that mantle belonged to Spain. If you think that the press in either of those countries was any less enthusiastic pre-tournament or any less ruthless post-tournament than England's tabloids have been, then you are mistaken.
Whether we like it or not, the law of averages says a footballing population the size of England will eventually head the table for a few years. I'm not saying it'll be this year. But it will happen soon.
Until they create a top drawer midfielder they'll be winning nothing. The midfield they're likely to play in this tournament is probably not going to be in the top half dozen midfields in the tournament,until they sort that they'll do nothing.
dont think england will be near winning the tournament. as well as being short of a top class midfielder or two they are also short on world class defenders, clyne, stones, smalling, rose, walker or cahill wouldnt fill you with much confidence.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2016, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
1. Best forward line at the tournament? Don't mistake hype for substance.
2. How could any self respecting Irishman back England to win the championship.
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If I am backing England to win it will be because I think they will win it and can make money . My nationality has nothing to do with it .
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2016, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament. But it's difficult to see them winning tight games if relying on Smalling and Cahill at the back.
Anyway 40/1 England and Kane is worth a couple of quid.
1. Best forward line at the tournament? Don't mistake hype for substance.
2. How could any self respecting Irishman back England to win the championship.
God love them
England could well win this tournament. Greece, Denmark and Czechoslovakia have all won it in the past. So a team like England could do it. It will probably be the Germans though.
I always laugh at the hype around England building.
The last tournament in Brazil was a case in point.
5/1 to not get out of a group containing Costa Rica, Uruguay and Italy.
They have the worst defence an England team has ever had going into a major tournament
Their forwards are young and have potential on the International stage but that's it
I'll enjoy watching them crash and burn as always.
Personally I'm looking tickets for the Belgium game but they are like gold dust at the moment
Quote from: An Watcher on May 24, 2016, 07:29:37 AM
I always laugh at the hype around England building.
The last tournament in Brazil was a case in point.
5/1 to not get out of a group containing Costa Rica, Uruguay and Italy.
They have the worst defence an England team has ever had going into a major tournament
Their forwards are young and have potential on the International stage but that's it
I'll enjoy watching them crash and burn as always.
Personally I'm looking tickets for the Belgium game but they are like gold dust at the moment
Errr, read somewhere England had to send back tickets to UEFA for some pool game as they couldn't sell them.
Cannot see the hype in England as being any different to any other country going. Plenty on this island take great exception to England getting excited and being hopeful about its team going to a major championship.
England's results over the past few tournaments would justify that amusement and disbelief. Irish fans learnt their lessons after 2012 and know that getting out of the group is a good result. English fans haven't learnt from 2014, and 2012, and 2010... And so on.
How will our wee colony get on? I'd like to see them get a shock result or two to be fair. Just think it's highly unlikely...
They'll have to raise their game a notch or two I think.
They had the handiest group in the competition which to be fair to them they won but in how many groups do the top seeds lose to the bottom seeds twice!! Greece lost twice against the Faroes. That would be like Germany losing to Gibraltar twice in our group.
Due to the fact that it is their first tournament in a long time they might raise their game though
Favourite Song so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG13p2ppD80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG13p2ppD80)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 26, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
Favourite Song so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG13p2ppD80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG13p2ppD80)
Forced child labour for years at this stage, poor lil waneens.
Albania are involved.
Latest French riot news may put the tournament in doubt. It would be no harm to drop the first 2 weeks tbh
England Squad finalised. Rashford included:
Goalkeepers Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley), Fraser Forster (Southampton).
Defenders John Stones (Everton), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Danny Rose (Tottenham).
Midfielders Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Dele Alli (Tottenham), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Man City), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal), James Milner (Liverpool).
Forwards Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Marcus Rashford (Man Utd), Wayne Rooney (Man Utd), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Harry Kane (Tottenham).
Defence looks a weak link?
Quote from: AQMP on May 31, 2016, 03:33:57 PM
England Squad finalised. Rashford included:
Goalkeepers Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley), Fraser Forster (Southampton).
Defenders John Stones (Everton), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Danny Rose (Tottenham).
Midfielders Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Dele Alli (Tottenham), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Man City), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal), James Milner (Liverpool).
Forwards Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Marcus Rashford (Man Utd), Wayne Rooney (Man Utd), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Harry Kane (Tottenham).
Defence looks a weak link?
Drinkwater very unlucky to not get a spot. I'd have thought he'd be ahead of Wilshire and Henderson atm? Surely you pick the form / fit players?? Anyhoo, I hope they perform as they usually do :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2016, 03:44:59 PM
There's a lot that sickens or annoys you seafoid. You need to chill out a bit. I never met such a wound up man from west of the Shannon :)
We're not part of a neo-liberalist army,
We all hate the 1 per cent.
Oh we'll really shake them up,
When we win their Euro cup,
'coz Ireland is the least equitable, highest debt to GDP, highest income gap, worst growth economy, lowest bond yields......team.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 31, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 31, 2016, 03:33:57 PM
England Squad finalised. Rashford included:
Goalkeepers Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley), Fraser Forster (Southampton).
Defenders John Stones (Everton), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Danny Rose (Tottenham).
Midfielders Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Dele Alli (Tottenham), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Man City), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal), James Milner (Liverpool).
Forwards Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Marcus Rashford (Man Utd), Wayne Rooney (Man Utd), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Harry Kane (Tottenham).
Defence looks a weak link?
Drinkwater very unlucky to not get a spot. I'd have thought he'd be ahead of Wilshire and Henderson atm? Surely you pick the form / fit players?? Anyhoo, I hope they perform as they usually do :D
He is unlucky. But there is more to it than just picking the best or in form players. England play a different system than Leicester. Drinkwater was poor against Australia. Plus he doesn't have Kante beside him for England. Thankfully!!
Quote from: muppet on May 31, 2016, 04:04:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2016, 03:44:59 PM
There's a lot that sickens or annoys you seafoid. You need to chill out a bit. I never met such a wound up man from west of the Shannon :)
We're not part of a neo-liberalist army,
We all hate the 1 per cent.
Oh we'll really shake them up,
When we win their Euro cup,
'coz Ireland is the least equitable, highest debt to GDP, highest income gap, worst growth economy, lowest bond yields......team.
Wrong on the bond yields Muppet. They are still positive at 10y. I think the income gap is close to average. ;)
Quote from: muppet on May 31, 2016, 04:04:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 23, 2016, 03:44:59 PM
There's a lot that sickens or annoys you seafoid. You need to chill out a bit. I never met such a wound up man from west of the Shannon :)
We're not part of a neo-liberalist army,
We all hate the 1 per cent.
Oh we'll really shake them up,
When we win their Euro cup,
'coz Ireland is the least equitable, highest debt to GDP, highest income gap, worst growth economy, lowest bond yields......team.
Brilliant ;D
In the last two tournaments the English media has not hyped up England at all, and again for this one nothing has been said....
France at home is worth a lot in fairness.... They won their last home tournament and starting to show good form
Is this the first Euros for Norn Irn?
First n last
Quote from: An Watcher on May 31, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
First n last
Not if 3rd place remains automatic play-off.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 31, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
First n last
Well if that's the case the republic and Wales would struggle in future competitions.... I think n.i won't lack effort but tournament experience and management of players fitness and tactics (the dark arts of winning close games) will be their undoing
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 31, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
First n last
Well if that's the case the republic and Wales would struggle in future competitions.... I think n.i won't lack effort but tournament experience and management of players fitness and tactics (the dark arts of winning close games) will be their undoing
Hard to know how NI will get on. They are now fairly hard to beat but Poland and Germany will be too strong and can see them drawing with Ukraine.
Feck me Ireland have some very average players...
Quote from: Boycey on May 31, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
Feck me Ireland have some very average players...
Who is the boy from the old 4th Division?
We beat this mob 3 nil last Friday night .
Considering some playerz are fighting for their place in france they are absolute muck. Anyway 4 years ago we played great against Bosnia as the farewell and then got tanked in poland
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 31, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Considering some playerz are fighting for their place in france they are absolute muck. Anyway 4 years ago we played great against Bosnia as the farewell and then got tanked in poland
So does that mean they will get slaughtered in France, well, based on that logic??
Quote from: Boycey on May 31, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
Feck me Ireland have some very average players...
Has it ever been any different?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2016, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 31, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Considering some playerz are fighting for their place in france they are absolute muck. Anyway 4 years ago we played great against Bosnia as the farewell and then got tanked in poland
So does that mean they will get slaughtered in France, well, based on that logic??
Probably lol
How did McGeady get into that squad?!
That wonder goal in 1st match got mcgeady the ticket.
Quote from: highorlow on May 31, 2016, 11:25:24 PM
That wonder goal in 1st match got mcgeady the ticket.
And what's the reason for the other 81 caps? That's right, he has 82 caps!! :o
McGeady probably only got in because Arter got injured.
Daryll Murphy looked awful, but other than that it was a bit of 'who cares?'.. Looking forward to it now.
Quote from: AQMP on June 01, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Shay Given must be the oldest player at the tournament? Though I see Chelsea old boys well represented as Gudjohnsen is in the Iceland squad and Ricardo Carvalho is in the Portuguese squad (quick Google reveals he's 38).
Buffon is 38 too and is surely the only player at the tournament who played at France 98. There is probably a player at the tournament who wasn't alive then.
Rashford?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 10:10:07 AM
Rashford?
The only one I checked. He was born in 1997.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 09:18:38 AM
Daryll Murphy looked awful, but other than that it was a bit of 'who cares?'.. Looking forward to it now.
McGoldrick not much better, but still better I'd have thought.
Last night O'Kane and O'Dowda made a difference when they came on, showed positivity, enthusiasm and both wanted the ball. O'Dowda in particular looks a bright spark for the future.
O'Kane put in an absolutely brilliant cross in the bit I saw. He also looked decent the last day. Ireland haven't included a 'bolter' in this squad, so it's going to be pretty predictable I think. I'd nearly have chanced O'Kane instead of McGeady.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 10:59:17 AM
O'Kane put in an absolutely brilliant cross in the bit I saw. He also looked decent the last day. Ireland haven't included a 'bolter' in this squad, so it's going to be pretty predictable I think. I'd nearly have chanced O'Kane instead of McGeady.
In fairness to McGeady he is nothing if not unpredictable. ::) ::) ::)
/Jim.
I was just looking at the different odds there for the Euros just to have a bit of extra interest and I seen Ireland were 14/1 to be the lowest scorers in the tournament. Surely worth a few quid that?
There's a good few weak teams there, but I could see us getting Nil v Italy and Belgium at least.
Quote from: AQMP on June 01, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Anoraks Corner
The Switzerland v Albania match will feature Granit Xhaka playing for Switzerland against his brother Taulant Xhaka of Albania
Same thing happened me (my brother played for the neighbouring parish). He shouldered me out of the ground.
Didn't the Boatengs play against each other when Ghana played Germany?
Quote from: square_ball on June 01, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
I was just looking at the different odds there for the Euros just to have a bit of extra interest and I seen Ireland were 14/1 to be the lowest scorers in the tournament. Surely worth a few quid that?
Check out what they've scored leading up to these finals and in the Qualifiers.... They can score , albeit the opposition wasn't as good, but they bring form and that's why its 14/1.... But you're right its worth a tenner
Quote from: AQMP on June 01, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Anoraks Corner
The Switzerland v Albania match will feature Granit Xhaka playing for Switzerland against his brother Taulant Xhaka of Albania
There are usually only 3 swiss names on the Swiss team. There is a big contingent of kosovars and albanians. It is the only setting in Switzerland that they get respect.
This England team is brutal!! Backed them for an interest but feck me they are shit!!
Didn't see the game last night - did they play vardy wide left?
i had the misfortune of drawing England in the sweep last night :'(
The last game teams play on their way to a Finals are a notoriously unreliable indicator of actual form and that of course also applies to the Irel V Bell game.
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Will rain stop play?
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
It will take away from the group stages, but we wouldn't be there if it was 16. If you have 24 teams, imo 8 groups of 3 would be better, with 2 coming out of each.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/president-trump-on-euro-2016-i-hate-the-french-they-suck-at-wars-1.2670528
The Donald would be a great pundit !!
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Well said.
24 teams out of 55 countries AFAIK is a joke
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Well said.
24 teams out of 55 countries AFAIK is a joke
Would be a lot of unhappy ROI fans surely??
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Well said.
24 teams out of 55 countries AFAIK is a joke
And 36 group games to narrow it down from 24 to 16.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Well said.
24 teams out of 55 countries AFAIK is a joke
Bit like the gas qualifiers..... Portugal 19/20 to win group?? Strange??
Top scorer?
France a relatively easy group but hard to pick their striker.
Was thinking Ronaldo but Portugal fairly dung. Lewandowski?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 03, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Not mad keen on this new format for the finals. Call me a sentimental old fool but I much preferred the old 8 team format (or at a push the 16 one). The whole tournament from start to finish seems reluctant to actually turf teams out.
Nonsense imo about the 3d place in group qualifications.
Well said.
24 teams out of 55 countries AFAIK is a joke
Would be a lot of unhappy ROI fans surely??
Before the qual campaign began I had thought that the new format was stretching credibility but I changed my opinion over the qual campaign, not directly related to the reprieve for the Irish team due to this format, and that was a reprieve.
There are plenty of interesting games in the group stages, nobody is being forced to watch all the games at the Finals.
Then there is just an extra knockout round.
This euro format has been a huge boost for football in 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier countries. The competitive interest was kept alive until the last round of games and into the play offs. Though the complete outsiders, Iceland, could have qualified in first place if they had to, now they pick up a Eur12m cheque just for starters, most of that goes straight back to grassroots (or more probably artificial grassroots). Probably there's a similar story with other cash strapped associations like Slovakia, Slovenia and Albania.
This Euro format means there is a more equitable spread of finances towards the lower class. The huge increase TV money from the new qual format and new scheduling has also meant more finances to every lowly Uefa association.
When Iceland will play Hungary, do the thousands of fans at the stadium care a jot that millions of couch potatoes will not be tuning in? Football is not just for the elite countries with huge populations. This euro format has already provided huge boost to football in those outsider countries.
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2016, 12:08:35 AM
Top scorer?
France a relatively easy group but hard to pick their striker.
Was thinking Ronaldo but Portugal fairly dung. Lewandowski?
Paddy has Ronaldo fav with Muller, Griezmann and making up 2nd to 4th.
Quote from: Main Street on June 04, 2016, 12:11:15 AM
Before the qual campaign began I had thought that the new format was stretching credibility but I changed my opinion over the qual campaign, not directly related to the reprieve for the Irish team due to this format, and that was a reprieve.
There are plenty of interesting games in the group stages, nobody is being forced to watch all the games at the Finals.
Then there is just an extra knockout round.
This euro format has been a huge boost for football in 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier countries. The competitive interest was kept alive until the last round of games and into the play offs. Though the complete outsiders, Iceland, could have qualified in first place if they had to, now they pick up a Eur12m cheque just for starters, most of that goes straight back to grassroots (or more probably artificial grassroots). Probably there's a similar story with other cash strapped associations like Slovakia, Slovenia and Albania.
This Euro format means there is a more equitable spread of finances towards the lower class. The huge increase TV money from the new qual format and new scheduling has also meant more finances to every lowly Uefa association.
When Iceland will play Hungary, do the thousands of fans at the stadium care a jot that millions of couch potatoes will not be tuning in? Football is not just for the elite countries with huge populations. This euro format has already provided huge boost to football in those outsider countries.
Good post MS. Some fair points there.
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 06, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 04, 2016, 12:11:15 AM
Before the qual campaign began I had thought that the new format was stretching credibility but I changed my opinion over the qual campaign, not directly related to the reprieve for the Irish team due to this format, and that was a reprieve.
There are plenty of interesting games in the group stages, nobody is being forced to watch all the games at the Finals.
Then there is just an extra knockout round.
This euro format has been a huge boost for football in 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier countries. The competitive interest was kept alive until the last round of games and into the play offs. Though the complete outsiders, Iceland, could have qualified in first place if they had to, now they pick up a Eur12m cheque just for starters, most of that goes straight back to grassroots (or more probably artificial grassroots). Probably there's a similar story with other cash strapped associations like Slovakia, Slovenia and Albania.
This Euro format means there is a more equitable spread of finances towards the lower class. The huge increase TV money from the new qual format and new scheduling has also meant more finances to every lowly Uefa association.
When Iceland will play Hungary, do the thousands of fans at the stadium care a jot that millions of couch potatoes will not be tuning in? Football is not just for the elite countries with huge populations. This euro format has already provided huge boost to football in those outsider countries.
Good post MS. Some fair points there.
Agreed, if you think about it the FA Cup was far more beneficial to football as a whole than any version of the League was. The Premier League consumes most of the money and isn't really good for football at all, it is just good for those who remain members.
Food for thought for those, including myself, who would like to see change in our GAA Championship structures.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36460569
Scary fecking bickies!! Please god the euros comes and goes with no issues
Quote from: general on June 06, 2016, 03:59:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36460569
Scary fecking bickies!! Please god the euros comes and goes with no issues
That is enough to run a small war! Good work to catch him.
https://www.facebook.com/euro2016irelandshitflagpage/
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Photoshopped ???
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2016, 03:02:32 PM
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Provoked by those nasty frenchies though of course.
Google ForestEcho news lads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
Google ForestEcho news lads.
I know you don't like Joe.ie but....this is worthwhile.
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I don't know who can take international soccer seriously with the granny rule, I think it is nonsense, I could have played for USA if I was a pro footballer and I don't even like the United States as a country.
I support Italy, if players are allowed to play for foreign teams then fans should be allowed to support foreign teams. I supported France back in 2000,02, 04 and 06.
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2016, 03:02:32 PM
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Soccer fans in the main riot . Irish fans are not soccer fans as such . The vast majority are going for a piss up . The vast majority of the thousands going to France never went to a League of Ireland game.
Event junkies .
Quote from: ashman on June 10, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2016, 03:02:32 PM
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Soccer fans in the main riot . Irish fans are not soccer fans as such . The vast majority are going for a piss up . The vast majority of the thousands going to France never went to a League of Ireland game.
Event junkies .
Rioting fans = soccer fans in the main
Non-rioting fans = event junkies
Quote from: ashman on June 10, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2016, 03:02:32 PM
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Soccer fans in the main riot . Irish fans are not soccer fans as such . The vast majority are going for a piss up . The vast majority of the thousands going to France never went to a League of Ireland game.
Event junkies .
I bet the vast majority have been to Old trafford, the Emirites, Anfield, Stamford bridge?
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 10, 2016, 04:45:23 PM
I don't know who can take international soccer seriously with the granny rule, I think it is nonsense, I could have played for USA if I was a pro footballer and I don't even like the United States as a country.
I support Italy, if players are allowed to play for foreign teams then fans should be allowed to support foreign teams. I supported France back in 2000,02, 04 and 06.
I see your point and I almost agree with it but I guess there's always the odd case where the player playing under the Granny rule has always wanted to play for the relevant country. I'd say it's rare, but it probably applies.
Anyone going over?
Heading via London tomorrow. Back on Tuesday. 3 points and no bombs would be lovely!
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 10, 2016, 04:45:23 PM
I don't know who can take international soccer seriously with the granny rule, I think it is nonsense, I could have played for USA if I was a pro footballer and I don't even like the United States as a country.
I support Italy, if players are allowed to play for foreign teams then fans should be allowed to support foreign teams. I supported France back in 2000,02, 04 and 06.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 10, 2016, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: ashman on June 10, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2016, 03:02:32 PM
I see the England fans are doing what England fans do. Riot. ::)
Soccer fans in the main riot . Irish fans are not soccer fans as such . The vast majority are going for a piss up . The vast majority of the thousands going to France never went to a League of Ireland game.
Event junkies .
I bet the vast majority have been to Old trafford, the Emirites, Anfield, Stamford bridge?
Saying "we are playing at home this weekend"
Trouble brewing between Russian and English fans in Marseille at the moment apparently..
Much better than the Rossie Bus...
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Quote from: laoislad on June 10, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
Trouble brewing between Russian and English fans in Marseille at the moment apparently..
I read it was groups of French guys going round looking for fights. No mention of Russians. There are supposed to be a good number of known scumbags that have travelled to Marseille from England. Trouble assured you'd think.
In other news - Giroud is muck isn't he?
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 10, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
I read it was groups of French guys going round looking for fights. No mention of Russians. There are supposed to be a good number of known scumbags that have travelled to Marseille from England. Trouble assured you'd think.
In other news - Giroud is muck isn't he?
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
Heading via London tomorrow.
What were you saying seanie...
To be fair he has been woeful.
Giroud is far, far from shite. He's a good finisher who can hold the ball up, play deft touches, and win most aeriel battles.
If a team keeps playing through balls to him against an international standard defence, then of course he's going to struggle for pace. But put balls into the box or use him for one-twos, and he's a bloody effective player.
He's still a donkey. Misses far too many chances. He'll get plenty of chances in this team though
Evra has slowed a bit. Been caught a number of times in this game.
This French side are a pale shadow of their past tournament winning teams, can someone remind me why they are one of favorites to win Euro 2016?
Game has come to life a bit now. Up until the first goal the best thing had been the cameramans performance in picking out some of the talent in the crowd.
Home team so big advantage.
Some good players but you need better than giroud up front to challenge to win these things.
Jays boys yer hard on Giroud. He'll get you goals with the right delivery. And will keep them out at the other end.
Evra is a liability... France going nowhere at the minute... First game generally ends in a shock or a draw
Some dig😎
How did west ham get payet?? Or leicester kante for that matter??
Hate to say it but probably a good result for Ireland?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
How did west ham get payet?? Or leicester kante for that matter??
Because none of us, or anyone other then Steve Walsh in England had heard of Kanté! Payet was seen as a flaky, luxury player.
On the Inplay Skybet 5/1 offer at 85 minutes for France to win 2-1.👍👍👍👍
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 10, 2016, 09:55:39 PM
Hate to say it but probably a good result for Ireland?
Which one?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2016, 10:00:38 PM
On the Inplay Skybet 5/1 offer at 85 minutes for France to win 2-1.👍👍👍👍
Was 8/1 on bet365......
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 10, 2016, 09:55:39 PM
Hate to say it but probably a good result for Ireland?
How?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 10, 2016, 09:55:39 PM
Hate to say it but probably a good result for Ireland?
How?
Chances are at best we'll finish 3rd!
Chances are Romania will be one of the teams finishing 3rd!
Four out of six third place finishes with the better points and/or goal difference go into the knockout stages.
i thought france were very poor tonight. romania should have had 3 goals. it took a fine strike to get the french out of jail.
I disagree. I think france are lethal.
Payet is liquid gold
Giroud is not an Aguero or Owen...he won't play off the shoulder and get in behind you, but he is effective.
And as for saying you won't win with him in your team.....Stefan Guivarche anyone?
Must be a nightmare trying to police and secure the whole tournament. One one hand looking out for ISIS lunatics and on the other trying to police traveling drunk fans from across Europe.
I hope it's not dominated by riots.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
Anyone going over?
Heading via London tomorrow. Back on Tuesday. 3 points and no bombs would be lovely!
On Eurostar Sunday morning and staying until the end of the 2nd round. I'm trying to keep the expectations low but you can't help but dream of something special.
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 10, 2016, 11:09:19 PM
Must be a nightmare trying to police and secure the whole tournament. One one hand looking out for ISIS lunatics and on the other trying to police traveling drunk fans from across Europe.
I hope it's not dominated by riots.
Let ISIS at the England fans and everyone is a winner.
Quote from: Gold on June 10, 2016, 11:06:57 PM
I disagree. I think france are lethal.
Payet is liquid gold
Giroud is not an Aguero or Owen...he won't play off the shoulder and get in behind you, but he is effective.
And as for saying you won't win with him in your team.....Stefan Guivarche anyone?
They're not lethal but i guess djimi traore has a champions league medal so anything is possible!!
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 10, 2016, 11:09:19 PM
Must be a nightmare trying to police and secure the whole tournament. One one hand looking out for ISIS lunatics and on the other trying to police traveling drunk fans from across Europe.
I hope it's not dominated by riots.
Surely you mean from across England.
Not making excuses for the England fans but Marseille is rough as f@ck and full of scum bags so im guessing some of the locals were only too happy to get involved.
Are these what brexit supporters look like?
These guys are the scum of the earth and should be arrested in groups and detained until after the tournament or sent home and locked up there until after the tournament.
On another note, a fella I work with was telling me that he was at Mexico 1986 with a bunch of mates and they were sat drinking outside a bar when they were approached by a photographer and reporter from The S*n newspaper who offered them £100 each to start throwing some chairs around and start singing anti-Argentina / Falklands songs! They told them to f*ck off but a few bars down the road another group happily accepted their offer!
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 11, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
These guys are the scum of the earth and should be arrested in groups and detained until after the tournament or sent home and locked up there until after the tournament.
On another note, a fella I work with was telling me that he was at Mexico 1986 with a bunch of mates and they were sat drinking outside a bar when they were approached by a photographer and reporter from The S*n newspaper who offered them £100 each to start throwing some chairs around and start singing anti-Argentina / Falklands songs! They told them to f*ck off but a few bars down the road another group happily accepted their offer!
Re 1986 if you would believe that you would believe anything !
Quote from: ashman on June 11, 2016, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 11, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
These guys are the scum of the earth and should be arrested in groups and detained until after the tournament or sent home and locked up there until after the tournament.
On another note, a fella I work with was telling me that he was at Mexico 1986 with a bunch of mates and they were sat drinking outside a bar when they were approached by a photographer and reporter from The S*n newspaper who offered them £100 each to start throwing some chairs around and start singing anti-Argentina / Falklands songs! They told them to f*ck off but a few bars down the road another group happily accepted their offer!
Re 1986 if you would believe that you would believe anything !
I would believe that the S*n would stoop to that level and I definitely believe the guy who told me the story. I didn't say the English fans needed any encouragement though.
Quote from: Whitehair on June 10, 2016, 11:25:49 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
Anyone going over?
Heading via London tomorrow. Back on Tuesday. 3 points and no bombs would be lovely!
On Eurostar Sunday morning and staying until the end of the 2nd round. I'm trying to keep the expectations low but you can't help but dream of something special.
Heading over on the 22nd for the Italy game. Staying until the 27th so will catch the 2nd round game if we qualify
Pity the republic of Ireland aren't in group A.
Big game for Liverpool's Danny Ward for Wales tonight.
Quote from: laoislad on June 11, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Big game for Liverpool's Danny Ward for Wales tonight.
And Skrtyl
Quote from: general_lee on June 11, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 11, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Big game for Liverpool's Danny Ward for Wales tonight.
And Skrtyl
Should have been red carded there, wouldn't look out of place with the lads in Marseille
How does he continually get away with that shit. Never done fouling in his own box.
Wales did well after a shaky start.
Definitely should have had a peno and a red card for Skrtel.
It was like a elbow smash u get in the WWE lol
Delighted for Wales. Great result.
Hopefully Russia can do the business now.
english fans showing themselves up by booing the russian national anthem
Quote from: Aughafad on June 11, 2016, 08:00:23 PM
english fans showing themselves up by booing the russian national anthem
Both anthems were booed ffs....
You would swear England are about to be presented with the trophy such is the adulation coming from the UTV commentary (RTE is blocked)
It's 0-0 v an awful Russian team missing 2 key midfielders ffs
Quote from: tyroneman on June 11, 2016, 08:47:05 PM
You would swear England are about to be presented with the trophy such is the adulation coming from the UTV commentary (RTE is blocked)
It's 0-0 v an awful Russian team missing 2 key midfielders ffs
Perhaps. But England actually are playing really well. They're a class and a half above the Russians.
Violence was pretty sickening on the news, lads getting full on whacks with wooden chairs over the head. Hard to tell who was responsible. It would be easy to assume it was English fans I think there's more to it.
England looking very tasty
Rooney looking like stevie g
Quote from: thejuice on June 11, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
Violence was pretty sickening on the news, lads getting full on whacks with wooden chairs over the head. Hard to tell who was responsible. It would be easy to assume it was English fans I think there's more to it.
Most reports saying they were provoked. Maybe in some cases they were but I doubt it takes much to set some of them off anyway.
Quote from: naka on June 11, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
England looking very tasty
Rooney looking like stevie g
Should be a couple up,hopefully they are left to rue those missed chances.
I backed England at 9/1 for the tournament during the week, they've got some great talent but are continually'Pillar Dubs' hyped & with a similar soft underbelly, but I just get a feeling they're gonna do something here or the next WC (cue Russian goal)
Sterling looks a bit out of sorts (have him backed to score anytime) Rooney has looked excellent.
A lot of huff and puff and bluster from the English but the skill level is shit. Sterling is not much better than Walcott.
The huff and puff will win you games though if it's honest and lasts 90 mins.
Would get Kane off
Any of the other guys
Sturridge rash ford or vardy
English cricketers, rugby players and footballers all did good today. Swing low.
Who is that co-commentating with Tyldsley?
There's no way Pep Guardiola will keep Raheem Sterling. He really is brutal.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 11, 2016, 09:37:41 PM
Who is that co-commentating with Tyldsley?
Hoddle... I agree about Sterling he's the worst player on the pitch!
Oh dear
With half the England starting 11 Spurs players its no wonder they shit themselves!!
Великая цель!
Marseilles wrecked tonite after that
Ain't the Euros great good old Russia never let you down.
Hilarious
Who Putin ball in the England net.......
Who cares.....who cares
Quote from: bennydorano on June 11, 2016, 09:49:40 PM
Marseilles wrecked tonite after that
Stan Collymore has tweeted there is fighting in the stands
Harry Kane was so knackered he couldn't get near the lad who crossed it in.
Sterling has nothing to offer, Liverpool must be laughing at the money they made off that donkey
Englands run of never winning a opening round game in the European championship continues.
Hmmm
Wales England will be interesting
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 11, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
Who Putin ball in the England net.......
Who cares.....who cares
Very good Shamrock Shore.
Thursday should be very interesting now ! Interviewer on ITV sounded desperate with his questions about the performance to Eric Dier, like he was looking for assurance from Eric that they're still going to get through. Eric wisely avoided a direct answer.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 11, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
;D ;D ;D
Sterling is a crap footballer, he's just an athlete. I still think vardy is a better player than kane but the media love kane.
Quote from: Mayoffs on June 11, 2016, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 11, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
Who Putin ball in the England net.......
Who cares.....who cares
Very good Shamrock Shore.
Thursday should be very interesting now ! Interviewer on ITV sounded desperate with his questions about the performance to Eric Dier, like he was looking for assurance from Eric that they're still going to get through. Eric wisely avoided a direct answer.
lol. They're always so insecure and want people to say they're going to do well. It's like the scene from mike bassett england manager where the reporter is speaking to pele and the conversation goes
reporter: who do you think has a chance in this world cup?
pele: Brazil, argentina, germany, italy, spain are all traditionally strong and are all likely winners.
reporter: and outside of those
pele: well belgium, colombia, the usa, france and yugoslavia are all improving and could be outsiders.
reporter: and outside of those?
Jackie and Glenn struggling to polish the turd on ITV!
Quote from: lenny on June 11, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 11, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
;D ;D ;D
Sterling is a crap footballer, he's just an athlete. I still think vardy is a better player than kane but the media love kane.
It isn't the media getting Kane into the team, you can't argue with his last two seasons
Quote from: Minder on June 11, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 11, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 11, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
;D ;D ;D
Sterling is a crap footballer, he's just an athlete. I still think vardy is a better player than kane but the media love kane.
It isn't the media getting Kane into the team, you can't argue with his last two seasons
I'm not saying kane is bad, he's obviously a good striker, I just think vardy is a better all round player.
Quote from: lenny on June 11, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 11, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 11, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 11, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
;D ;D ;D
Sterling is a crap footballer, he's just an athlete. I still think vardy is a better player than kane but the media love kane.
It isn't the media getting Kane into the team, you can't argue with his last two seasons
I'm not saying kane is bad, he's obviously a good striker, I just think vardy is a better all round player.
But for who?
If you're willing to cough up possession and play a game based purely around counter attacking at maximum pace, then Vardy is your man.
England don't have the defensive resolve or patience to play such a game. Based in tonight's evidence they'll pass everyone but Spain off the field. That's where Kane is a far better option as he can pass, shield, drop deep, whatever you need. He was poor tonight, but being marked by 3 players most of the time in fairness.
Some English fans just don't like these plastic seats.
How can Barkley be on the bench while Sterling poses as a footballer?
I see the OWC fans are trying out their best impressions of the English in Nice.
Quote from: straightred on June 11, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
How can Barkley be on the bench while Sterling poses as a footballer?
how can city pay 50million for him? Liverpool must be laughing.
Quote from: straightred on June 11, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
How can Barkley be on the bench while Sterling poses as a footballer?
Maybe because Barkley has neither the pace nor the defensive instincts to play as a left wing forward? Sterling was poor tonight but the main reason why England played so well is that they had 11 players in positions they were comfortable with. The last time that happened was 20 years ago, before managers tried to put Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard in the same team.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 11, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 11, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
How can Barkley be on the bench while Sterling poses as a footballer?
how can city pay 50million for him? Liverpool must be laughing.
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Barkley in average . Sterling is average . Both have over inflated price tags.
Liverpool were laughing ok but blew 50 million on dross themselves..
Soccer is ruined by money and anyone over 16 who takes it seriously is a clown .
This current charade in France is sleazy as fcuk pimped by utter snake oil salesmen
Piers Morgan in a spat with Mrs Vardy on Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan , conflicting reports of OWC supporter's rioting in Nice and some nutters are spreading rumors on Twitter that uefa are about to cancel the tournament. Nuts.
Meh. The usual ritual of watching England fail under the weight of expectation and us fail under the weight of no expectation is the highlight of these tournaments.
All the talk of Rooney losing his place to Kane or Cards bemused me when neither of them have any real pedigree T competitive international level whereas Rooney is a proven goalscorer at that level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 12, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
All the talk of Rooney losing his place to Kane or Cards bemused me when neither of them have any real pedigree T competitive international level whereas Rooney is a proven goalscorer at that level.
How many goals has he scored in world cup tournaments ?
Quote from: Syferus on June 12, 2016, 03:06:01 AM
Meh. The usual ritual of watching England fail under the weight of expectation and us fail under the weight of no expectation is the highlight of these tournaments.
There has been very muted "expectation " in England for this and the last two international tournaments . Yes the Celtic nations like to pretend there is . England soccerball is a bit like French rugby in that they have a hugely successful and lucrative domestic league with a huge amount of outside players . This impacts on the national team .
What is with England fans singing GSTQ during the match? It makes it look like all this effort is for an inbred powerful German with plenty of land. And belting out an anthem about her so passionately? I just don't get it. It's like Ireland fans singing God Bless Bono or God Save yer man McManus?
I suppose i have to support my local team here, Poland with all the polish brethren in all the neighboring houses lol
Quote from: AQMP on June 12, 2016, 05:29:48 PM
So far the North look like a pub team
They're no different to how Republic will look to be fair!
Armstrong is decent on Spanish commentary but he's fierce biased here it's ruining the coverage!
Sadly the two irelands are of similar ability..
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
Sadly the two irelands are of similar ability..
Similar but the republic have much more quality imo
First time I've seen ni play in a long time and they were poor.
I know the republic aren't world beaters but they're definitely better than that
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2016, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
Sadly the two irelands are of similar ability..
Similar but the republic have much more quality imo
Yeah that's all well and good but in the games we'll be playing I cant see us faring much better than NI just did!!
Rio is even harder to make out through that beard.
Quote from: AQMP on June 12, 2016, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
Sadly the two irelands are of similar ability..
Does that make the north any better?
Ummm. Yes. No. Maybe.
Better quality up front and in parts of midfield though defensively not as good.
ROI has slightly better players. Put in context, ROI might just be able to get a C-, whereas NI just don't have it in them. But in all likelihood both will get Ds or Es.
Rio needs to be sent on a public speaking course, sorry, just a speaking course of any sort would suffice. Neil Lennon looked as if he'd a serious feed of pints last night!
As for NI, poor, just goes to show they qualified out of a weak group if that was the best they had to offer.
I heard an ex-footballer on the radio say that yesterday Hodgson made changes "after the stable door had been bolted", lol
We certainly have more quality than NI, how many NI players would make a combined team? Evans & Davis would be the only 2 good enough.
BBC studio has a leaky roof. I wonder if they run rig a raffle to pay to fix it.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
We certainly have more quality than NI, how many NI players would make a combined team? Evans & Davis would be the only 2 good enough.
McAuley and Cathart possibly? both playing fairly regularly in the premiership
Possibly the keeper too.
Big game tomorrow. Need 1 or 3 points.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on June 12, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
We certainly have more quality than NI, how many NI players would make a combined team? Evans & Davis would be the only 2 good enough.
McAuley and Cathart possibly? both playing fairly regularly in the premiership
McAuley definitley.
Republic had tougher qualifying group, but and easier (on paper) finals group... I expect the republic to get 3 points with their games...
Terrible display by n.i, nothing going forward, pretty good defensively but Lafferty is not fit and they've nowt else to put in there...
On Poland. Very good team and will cause Germany plenty of problems... Ukraine are very good too, n.i probably wont score (though I thought they would)
it was about the 6th minute or so when cringe factor threshold was bludgeoned with the commentator asking Gerry about that goal in Spain.
The OWC's effort was pagan, the worst attempt at playing football I have ever seen at the Euros.
Things are really dour up north.
NI fan found dead this morning in Nice. Fell on to a rocky beach apparently. RIP
Tragic news from Nice, horrendous news for the family to receive.
On a less trivial note, is RTE's coverage blocked on Sky in the north? Recorded the NI game last night and it didn't appear to work!
Quote from: AQMP on June 13, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 13, 2016, 09:24:12 AM
NI fan found dead this morning in Nice. Fell on to a rocky beach apparently. RIP
Seems to be an accident right enough. God help his family & friends. RIP.
RIP, it's terrible when lads go away to enjoy themselves and something like this happens. Tragic stuff.
Ukraine caused Germany a lot of problems yesterday, like France don't look very assured at the back but they've Hummels to come back in.
I've a feeling an outsider could go all the way.
RIP. Awful.
In terms of N.Ireland's poor enough performance yesterday, what do people expect? One of the smallest countries at the tournament with a population size of the Birmingham region. The quality isn't going to be great is it?
Although Turkey werent up to much I was very impressed with Croatia. A 1-0 stuffing if ever I saw!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 13, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
Although Turkey werent up to much I was very impressed with Croatia. A 1-0 stuffing if ever I saw!
Didn't see much of that game but heard Croatia were dominant. Modric is some player, don't think there's any midfielder out there better than him the last 2 years.
Why does the NI team remind me so much of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbP_pIgR4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbP_pIgR4s)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 13, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
Although Turkey werent up to much I was very impressed with Croatia. A 1-0 stuffing if ever I saw!
Didn't see much of that game but heard Croatia were dominant. Modric is some player, don't think there's any midfielder out there better than him the last 2 years.
Said to my Man Utd mate that he was the man the should have rebuilt the team around! He's as tough as hell too!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 13, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 13, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
Although Turkey werent up to much I was very impressed with Croatia. A 1-0 stuffing if ever I saw!
Didn't see much of that game but heard Croatia were dominant. Modric is some player, don't think there's any midfielder out there better than him the last 2 years.
Said to my Man Utd mate that he was the man the should have rebuilt the team around! He's as tough as hell too!!
I agree but there was little chance he would have picked United ahead of Real Madrid in 2012. Kroos is a fantastic player too and very similar to Modric and I don't think them playing together suits either of them.
ballinaman is looking well out there on the news.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 13, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
ballinaman is looking well out there on the news.
He's a sexy bastard alright.
any streams for the Spain game?
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2016, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 13, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
ballinaman is looking well out there on the news.
He's a sexy b**tard alright.
Was he the one crowd surfing when they were doing rock the boat and blocking the traffic ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2016, 02:05:17 PM
any streams for the Spain game?
Its on the TV3 player
http://www.tv3.ie/3player/live/tv3/
At work our traffic routes through an IP in Plano, Texas, so I'm getting rights restrictions. Pain in the arse.
Stream will appear here before the game. The Ace Streams are best but require Ace Player (A version of VLC Player)
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams
Spain should have won that game by 4 or 5 goals. Cech MOTM surely.
Walters not looking 100%?
We are doing well!
Ireland coming close here, they need to get one of these.
Playing really well and should be leading. Hendrick really good. Sweden pressing a lot and we're still making chances. Hope there is no dirty counter attack goal!
Quote from: armaghniac on June 13, 2016, 05:33:31 PM
Ireland coming close here, they need to get one of these.
This has been a tournament of teams stealing goals near the end of the game. Not that we are anyway near there yet!
Well on top here, hopefully those missed chances won't come back to haunt us.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!
Derserved lead for the Irish. Brilliant from Coleman.
Sweden have woke up!
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2016, 02:43:23 PM
At work our traffic routes through an IP in Plano, Texas, so I'm getting rights restrictions. Pain in the arse.
Cricfree.tv
Sweden are 5hite
25 minutes of trying to hang on. :-\
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 13, 2016, 06:25:29 PM
25 minutes of trying to hang on. :-\
That's a bit of an exaggeration! More we are holding on?
20+ minutes left!
Balls.
f**k
Hopefully Sweden will go back to sleep again!
Game has swung the other way. Mccarthy's yellow a big factor in ireland backing off.
Brady playing very well.
Coleman having a mare here!!
Get that number 5 marked!
Subs poor too imo.
Have a feeling Sweden are going nick this! We have lost our balance and composure.
I think a few players are coming back from injury and not at full fitness.
To be fair to coleman no one in front of him. Walters does a mass of work there and him going off a big blow.
Unlucky but under absorbed lot of pressure in the second half.
A good point! Could have been so much better. Bench weakened us!
Glenn Whelan was brilliant. First time I've ever said that.
Enjoyed that, looked leggy in the last 20, no impact from bench. At least we are guaranteed going in to the last game with something to play for.
aaaaaaarggggghhhhhhhh
sweden didn't have a shot on target the whole game...
We were set up brilliantly. We probably were unfortunate to score early. With 20 minutes to go we had no options from the bench to drive us on/pick us up. McClean, McGeady and Keane made no impact. In fairness it was a difficult game for subs to come into the pace of.
Not despondent. This performance had soul and skill which we lacked four years ago.
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
aaaaaaarggggghhhhhhhh
sweden didn't have a shot on target the whole game...
I wondered about that stat. I'm sure Randolph made a great save from a header from one of the many corners the Swedes had!
Quote from: Estimator on June 13, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
aaaaaaarggggghhhhhhhh
sweden didn't have a shot on target the whole game...
I wondered about that stat. I'm sure Randolph made a great save from a header from one of the many corners the Swedes had!
That was from an Irish lad as well!
Quote from: Estimator on June 13, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 13, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
aaaaaaarggggghhhhhhhh
sweden didn't have a shot on target the whole game...
I wondered about that stat. I'm sure Randolph made a great save from a header from one of the many corners the Swedes had!
That was from a Clarke header!
No reason not to pick up another point in next game, 3 points might be enough
It is a pity we couldn't hold out. The difference between one and three points is huge, if we had 3 we would be looking for a draw to go through. Now we need 2 draws against quality opposition or a win against one of the high quality teams in this tournament. We are up against it now.
I don't think Italy will prove to be very high quality in this tournament
Great game to watch. Ireland goal was as good as there has been in the euros so far. If anything it came 15 minutes too early.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 13, 2016, 07:15:15 PM
It is a pity we couldn't hold out. The difference between one and three points is huge, if we had 3 we would be looking for a draw to go through. Now we need 2 draws against quality opposition or a win against one of the high quality teams in this tournament. We are up against it now.
Of course we are up against it! We have been up against it since the draw was made. At worst we'll go into our last game knowing what we need to do.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2016, 07:12:18 PM
No reason not to pick up another point in next game, 3 points might be enough
There's a reasonably good chance that 2 points could be enough to be one of the 4 best 3rd placed teams. Let's say a couple of groups have 2 weaker teams who lose to the big teams in the group and draw against each other.
Quote from: Minder on June 13, 2016, 07:18:56 PM
I don't think Italy will prove to be very high quality in this tournament
Italy are nearly alawys slow starters in tournaments. They are the sor of team who could be very hard to beat if they can build momentum.
I really want to beat those frickin' Belgians. Always thought they were a sinister lot.
Pity we couldnt get the win but at least we gave it a go unlike in previous tournaments. Some really fantastic bits of play.
Thought that was nice touch by the Ireland fans at the match for the young lad that died.
You have tournament teams, Italy Spain, France, Germany, Portugal even England... Most get to quarterfinals ... Belgium have a great team but I think they will struggle to break Italy down... Could definitely get draws off both teams.... Was coming home from Dublin so had to listen to it on radio, sounds like Ireland played well... Big advantage of having tournament experienced players and management on board
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2016, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2016, 07:12:18 PM
No reason not to pick up another point in next game, 3 points might be enough
There's a reasonably good chance that 2 points could be enough to be one of the 4 best 3rd placed teams. Let's say a couple of groups have 2 weaker teams who lose to the big teams in the group and draw against each other.
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The game was like an English FA Cup tie between two Championship teams. Very physical . I think Ireland might find it hard to raise the intensity three times in 10 days .
Forza Azzurri.
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Rabbit in headlights' springs to mind (no pun intended) I said last week that n.i could struggle due to no experience of tournaments from either players or management. Means a lot feel and that's where ROI had that, both Keane and O'Neill both tournament players.... And the ireland squad had players with tournament experience... Not panicking and going on the front foot makes a difference...
Went for draw here
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Poland are a lot better then Sweden. I thought Sweden were crap.
Chance missed for us . I think we'll end up with three draws.
Great bit of commentary!
https://streamable.com/s4fa
Quote from: INDIANA on June 13, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Poland are a lot better then Sweden. I thought Sweden were crap.
Chance missed for us . I think we'll end up with three draws.
Yes Poland don't depend on Ledwanowski the same way Sweden depend on Ibrahimovic.
If a draw is enough for us and the Italians in the last game then............... ;)
What ye make of the Conor McGregor bit at the start? Hey sure if Rors can do it for his beloved North OF Ireland team then no better than McGregor to do it for us :D
http://www.balls.ie/football/conor-mcgregor-rte-euro-2016/336345
And the high quality Italians take the lead against Belgium.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 13, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
And the high quality Italians take the lead against Belgium.
;)
Remember everyone thinking expanding championship would lead to one sided games and lack of quality.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 13, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 13, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Poland are a lot better then Sweden. I thought Sweden were crap.
Chance missed for us . I think we'll end up with three draws.
Yes Poland don't depend on Ledwanowski the same way Sweden depend on Ibrahimovic.
If a draw is enough for us and the Italians in the last game then............... ;)
Poland have the likes of Milik as well who actually scored their goal and was excellent throughout.
The rest of Sweden's players outside Zlatan should be playing for Brentford.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 13, 2016, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 13, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 13, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Haven't seen NI play in quite a while, but I was struck by how how much better Ireland looked than NI. Ireland looked composed and played some good one-touch football for the most part and deserved a win. NI often looked panic-stricken and their play was somewhat agricultural. They never looked like scoring. Of course, Italy and Belgium will stretch Ire. a lot more.
Poland are a lot better then Sweden. I thought Sweden were crap.
Chance missed for us . I think we'll end up with three draws.
Yes Poland don't depend on Ledwanowski the same way Sweden depend on Ibrahimovic.
If a draw is enough for us and the Italians in the last game then............... ;)
Poland have the likes of Milik as well who actually scored their goal and was excellent throughout.
The rest of Sweden's players outside Zlatan should be playing for Brentford.
Zlatan hardly looked world class either!!
How many times did he give away fouls and still didn't get booked! I think at least 5.
Walters wasn't fit for us which was a massive blow. The best players on the pitch were all from norwich city on both sides!
Talk about your archetypal Italian team! 1-0 then be pure cynical!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 13, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
Talk about your archetypal Italian team! 1-0 then be pure cynical!
Tournament team...but like Cross ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 13, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
Talk about your archetypal Italian team! 1-0 then be pure cynical!
Tournament team...but like Cross ;)
Without the cynicism!
Hopefully half the italian team suspended for the last game. Bound to be 1 or 2.
Quote from: Minder on June 13, 2016, 07:18:56 PM
I don't think Italy will prove to be very high quality in this tournament
They're rubbish those italians.
Italy may already be qualified when they play us... They might field their B team ;D
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2016, 09:51:06 PM
Italy may already be qualified when they play us... They might field their B team ;D
Best result. An Italy win always good in my book but stuff Sweden and rest their best men. Hopefully lie down ;D
Now you see why Chelsea dumped De Bruyne .
Football Italia.
Italians very impressive.
Man city spent £100 million combined on De Bruyne and Sterling. Modern soccer is nuts.
Debruyne may have been poor tonight but he is very good.
Lukaku rubbish tonight. Origi much better though raw yet.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
Debruyne may have been poor tonight but he is very good.
Lukaku rubbish tonight. Origi much better though raw yet.
As mentioned in commentary, Belgium are not well drilled, bags of talent yes, manager leaving it in the lap of the gods, yes. Will be another wasted chance with this golden generation, their supporters must be gutted.
I love the Italians. A great bunch of lads.
I mean, what have Belgium ever done for us?
Plastic Bertrand
eh..............
Belgium have been overhyped the last few years. Some instantly recognisable names from the premiership - lots of good players but not too many top world class players. Italy taught them a lot about the game of football tonight.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
Debruyne may have been poor tonight but he is very good.
Lukaku rubbish tonight. Origi much better though raw yet.
They are overrated due to commanding big fees in EPL . Money has debased modern soccer .
Quote from: Armamike on June 13, 2016, 10:54:54 PM
Belgium have been overhyped the last few years. Some instantly recognisable names from the premiership - lots of good players but not too many top world class players. Italy taught them a lot about the game of football tonight.
Italy taught them how to finish, and how to foul with the second last man back. Had Lukaku been a smidgin more accurate with his shooting, the discussion here would be different. De Bruyne had a 'mare and Fellaini ambled about getting in the way mostly, but Belgium are still not a bad side - Hazard tried might and main in the second half I thought - and they easily qualified from their group with a lot of goals scored. They still have a lot more quality than us and I reckon they could go further in the tournament yet than Italy.
Imagine the furore if Tyrone did the three cynical fouls that the eye ties did in second half !!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 13, 2016, 10:39:22 PM
I love the Italians. A great bunch of lads.
I mean, what have Belgium ever done for us?
Plastic Bertrand
eh..............
Waffles and Dr Evil.
Quote from: ashman on June 13, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
Imagine the furore if Tyrone did the three cynical fouls that the eye ties did in second half !!
It's a different sport!! Compared to Gaelic there are very few scores in soccer so there is less of a chance of a cynical foul impeding a proper scoring chance on the break.
In football you're expecting to score 8\9 times out of 10 when there is a counter attack on which is why a cynical foul causes more of a furore!!
Quote from: ashman on June 13, 2016, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
Debruyne may have been poor tonight but he is very good.
Lukaku rubbish tonight. Origi much better though raw yet.
They are overrated due to commanding big fees in EPL . Money has debased modern soccer .
It will get worse. Next year the TV money from BT means Bournemouth will have a budget equivalent to that of Inter.
Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Quote from: ashman on June 13, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
Imagine the furore if Tyrone did the three cynical fouls that the eye ties did in second half !!
Take one for team, our boys were superb last night. Really hope Conte can bring it home.
As Chiellini said
"greatest quality, in the end, has always been the group – the collective".
Forza Italia
Quote from: ashman on June 13, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
Imagine the furore if Tyrone did the three cynical fouls that the eye ties did in second half !!
Shut the fcuk up.
Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 07:41:54 AM
Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 07:41:54 AM
Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
irelands biggest problem is going to be how light they are on the bench.
Keane came on and barely got a kick, mcclean and mcgeady are temperamental to say the least, there are very few otehr crying out for inclusion.
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2016, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: ashman on June 13, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
Imagine the furore if Tyrone did the three cynical fouls that the eye ties did in second half !!
Shut the fcuk up.
Lighten up you angry little man .
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 07:41:54 AM
Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Isn't he 34 ?
Hoolohan was dead on his feet. He generally doesn't last 90 minutes.
I thought the management were much more positive with subs yesterday and was happy with that.
I really think Walters getting a knock had a big impact on us - particularly down the wing where they got all the ball. Coleman was pulling in to help centre halfs and a winger or centre mid should have been covering it but wasn't. Walters is probably our most important player(then Coleman).
Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 07:41:54 AM
Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Syf Inter are one of the top 10 clubs in Europe. What did Roscommon do in 2010? Or Bournemouth ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ahQNqglBJI
TV money has blown up player incomes and transfer fees but hasn't done anything for the England team
The Premiership is still pretty mediocre.
Ciaran Clarke, why did he go with the head and not the boot? He'd have needed that ball to hit him on the side of the head to prevent a goal..
James McCarthy getting a fair bit of stick, but was involved in the build up to Irelands best attacks.
Yes, he's been better but he wasn't that bad.
As for the Belgians, Lukaka out of sorts alright, but he'd have scored one of the two chances which fell to Origi and Origi would have done better with the chance that Lukaka had. Sods law
Dunphy came up with a classic yesterday . Seems James McCarthy got Martinez sacked.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 13, 2016, 10:39:22 PM
I love the Italians. A great bunch of lads.
I mean, what have Belgium ever done for us?
Plastic Bertrand
eh..............
Beer
Quote from: mouview on June 13, 2016, 11:36:18 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 13, 2016, 10:54:54 PM
Belgium have been overhyped the last few years. Some instantly recognisable names from the premiership - lots of good players but not too many top world class players. Italy taught them a lot about the game of football tonight.
Italy taught them how to finish, and how to foul with the second last man back. Had Lukaku been a smidgin more accurate with his shooting, the discussion here would be different. De Bruyne had a 'mare and Fellaini ambled about getting in the way mostly, but Belgium are still not a bad side - Hazard tried might and main in the second half I thought - and they easily qualified from their group with a lot of goals scored. They still have a lot more quality than us and I reckon they could go further in the tournament yet than Italy.
Individually yes, but it's a team sport and they, as they have shown in the last number of years, with all this supposed talent , that their total is less than the sum of their parts. Yes they qualified top of their group, but it was a poor group, with Wales taking 4 points off them. If we show serious grit and get in their faces, we've a mighty chance of a win or or least a draw imo. They are no great shakes at the back and I definitely feel Hoolahan and Brady could unlock their defence and get the likes of Long and Walters in behind..there will be chances.
Money is destroying the club game, and to a certain extent is damaging international football, with Belgium being a prime example. Watching their main men, you can't help feel they are holding back, saving themselves for the next big lucrative club deal. Italy on the other hand, have serious pride in their shirt.
There is not a hope in hell Belgium's gathering of prima donnas will go further than the Italians imo
Quote from: johnneycool on June 14, 2016, 09:06:07 AM
Ciaran Clarke, why did he go with the head and not the boot? He'd have needed that ball to hit him on the side of the head to prevent a goal..
James McCarthy getting a fair bit of stick, but was involved in the build up to Irelands best attacks.
Yes, he's been better but he wasn't that bad.
As for the Belgians, Lukaka out of sorts alright, but he'd have scored one of the two chances which fell to Origi and Origi would have done better with the chance that Lukaka had. Sods law
Clarke was leaning head forward to get back, no way to get foot up the height and pace the ball was coming at. Looked like ball was too high for Swedish player behind him to get contact as he was sort of sliding in??
Clark had a fair few swingers at the back and might of ended up going home with match ball.
Should have won the game but plenty of positives to be taken out of the game. The sub I would have made when taking off Wes was push Robbie Brady up and let Ward go left full but you can see why he made the changes he did.
Italy are some team when they've something to defend.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 14, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Hoolohan was dead on his feet. He generally doesn't last 90 minutes.
I thought the management were much more positive with subs yesterday and was happy with that.
I really think Walters getting a knock had a big impact on us - particularly down the wing where they got all the ball. Coleman was pulling in to help centre halfs and a winger or centre mid should have been covering it but wasn't. Walters is probably our most important player(then Coleman).
Totally agree, also think that was the positive attacking performance I have seen from Ireland in a good while, least I could watch and enjoy, our first 11 isnt bad. No real star names like maybe when the Keanes and Duff in their pomp but the team as a collective plays well. Main problem is we are very light on the bench.
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Quote from: Armamike on June 13, 2016, 10:54:54 PM
Belgium have been overhyped the last few years. Some instantly recognisable names from the premiership - lots of good players but not too many top world class players. Italy taught them a lot about the game of football tonight.
Italy taught them how to finish, and how to foul with the second last man back. Had Lukaku been a smidgin more accurate with his shooting, the discussion here would be different. De Bruyne had a 'mare and Fellaini ambled about getting in the way mostly, but Belgium are still not a bad side - Hazard tried might and main in the second half I thought - and they easily qualified from their group with a lot of goals scored. They still have a lot more quality than us and I reckon they could go further in the tournament yet than Italy.
Individually yes, but it's a team sport and they, as they have shown in the last number of years, with all this supposed talent , that their total is less than the sum of their parts. Yes they qualified top of their group, but it was a poor group, with Wales taking 4 points off them. If we show serious grit and get in their faces, we've a mighty chance of a win or or least a draw imo. They are no great shakes at the back and I definitely feel Hoolahan and Brady could unlock their defence and get the likes of Long and Walters in behind..there will be chances.
Money is destroying the club game, and to a certain extent is damaging international football, with Belgium being a prime example. Watching their main men, you can't help feel they are holding back, saving themselves for the next big lucrative club deal. Italy on the other hand, have serious pride in their shirt.
There is not a hope in hell Belgium's gathering of prima donnas will go further than the Italians imo
Losing the first game isn't the end of the world. Spain won the WC in 2010 after losing to Switzerland IIRC
A disappointing result after a brilliant first half but given there isn't much of a gap between the times there was no way we could that up.
There was so much space down our right hand side of the pitch in the 2nd half, Coleman & Olson both got forward so and attacked each other but after the first few times Olson had got forward O'Neill should have made a tactical switch given we were ahead. I haven't seen any highlights but at first glance it looked like our defence dropped after Hoolahan had scored, a natural reaction unfortunately for this team and the game became too stretched for my liking. I thought McCarthy was fine until he picked up a daft booking.
Belgium were poor last night but they still created some great chances and unfortunately we don't have defenders like the Italians, I just think it will be very difficult to get anything from that game but as long as Italy beat Sweden I'd expect them to really take it easy in their last game which gives us a great chance of beating them.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 14, 2016, 09:06:07 AM
Ciaran Clarke, why did he go with the head and not the boot? He'd have needed that ball to hit him on the side of the head to prevent a goal..
James McCarthy getting a fair bit of stick, but was involved in the build up to Irelands best attacks.
Yes, he's been better but he wasn't that bad.
As for the Belgians, Lukaka out of sorts alright, but he'd have scored one of the two chances which fell to Origi and Origi would have done better with the chance that Lukaka had. Sods law
I actually think if the keepers positioning had have been better he would have kept out the goal.
TBF it was unlucky all round, clark had to try and get something on it. I think he had a good game overall.
If there was a mistake for the sweden goal, it was down to oshea and how easily zlatan went past him
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
A disappointing result after a brilliant first half but given there isn't much of a gap between the times there was no way we could that up.
There was so much space down our right hand side of the pitch in the 2nd half, Coleman & Olson both got forward so and attacked each other but after the first few times Olson had got forward O'Neill should have made a tactical switch given we were ahead. I haven't seen any highlights but at first glance it looked like our defence dropped after Hoolahan had scored, a natural reaction unfortunately for this team and the game became too stretched for my liking. I thought McCarthy was fine until he picked up a daft booking.
Belgium were poor last night but they still created some great chances and unfortunately we don't have defenders like the Italians, I just think it will be very difficult to get anything from that game but as long as Italy beat Sweden I'd expect them to really take it easy in their last game which gives us a great chance of beating them.
The Italians have been practicing catenaccio for years . I think it means locking the door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X0JVTdQwmY
I was talking to an Italian yesterday. They only won the tournament once ...
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 14, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Hoolohan was dead on his feet. He generally doesn't last 90 minutes.
I thought the management were much more positive with subs yesterday and was happy with that.
I really think Walters getting a knock had a big impact on us - particularly down the wing where they got all the ball. Coleman was pulling in to help centre halfs and a winger or centre mid should have been covering it but wasn't. Walters is probably our most important player(then Coleman).
Totally agree, also think that was the positive attacking performance I have seen from Ireland in a good while, least I could watch and enjoy, our first 11 isnt bad. No real star names like maybe when the Keanes and Duff in their pomp but the team as a collective plays well. Main problem is we are very light on the bench.
I did sometimes wonder if O'Neill and Keane were as conservative as Trap but I guess we saw the difference in that they knew that was required for qualification but come qualification then more attacking was needed. Definitely a very positive performance in my view. Maybe they should have tried to shore up the right side but that's the only criticism I would have.
Italy look like potential winners. Belgium were poor. Individual vs team really. I still think we will struggle with Belgium but might get something from Italy and now Belgium need more than one result which is good as they will can afford to take nothing for granted against sweden.
Any thoughts that NI are as good as us were quashed after that game. I was worried we would struggle like they did but thankfully we were far from it.
Russia have been given a suspended disqualification and 150,000 euro fine, any more violence and they are out - good to see some direct action from UEFA at last.
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Russia have been given a suspended disqualification and 150,000 euro fine, any more violence and they are out - good to see some direct action from UEFA at last.
does that apply to violence away from the stadium or just inside it ?
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Russia have been given a suspended disqualification and 150,000 euro fine, any more violence and they are out - good to see some direct action from UEFA at last.
does that apply to violence away from the stadium or just inside it ?
It was quoted as just in on BBC news and stated any violence, haven't seen a printed report yet.
here it is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36528403 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36528403)
It only relates to trouble inside stadium
So the thuggery will continue outside!
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
So you think it was better to leave a guy on the pitch that was almost out on his feet than bring on a fresh pair of legs and Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer?
Even if you don't think Keane should have came on it was still right to make a change.
Go back to talking shite about Roscommon ffs.
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
He signalled to the bench himself that he was fcuked.
He had to come off, he was out on his feet. Walters was in big trouble as well for a while before he came off. What I couldn't understand was why they left the right hand side so exposed, even after McLean came on for Walters. He seemed to come on on the left, but we never moved over onto the right until McGeady came on for McCarthy (I think?). So out midfield looked like (to me at least)
McLEan Hoolahan
Hendrick McCarthy
Whelan
When I assumed they would go
McLean Holohan McCarthy
Hendrick Whelan
Whilst most people were very pleased how well Ireland played, especially in the first half I think we learned that Sweden are quite poor and we should have beaten them had we taken our chances.
Belgium were embarrassed by Italy and will be very well motivated now to come gunning for us as they looked very lethargic I thought. So many of their players just trounce around showing no hunger or passion at all, waiting for something to happen, De Bruyne and Lukaku prime examples.
After yesterday you would expect Italy to beat Sweden leaving them on 6 points and qualified so the Ireland v Belgium game could decide who comes 2nd if either win.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2016, 02:36:34 PM
Whilst most people were very pleased how well Ireland played, especially in the first half I think we learned that Sweden are quite poor and we should have beaten them had we taken our chances.
Belgium were embarrassed by Italy and will be very well motivated now to come gunning for us as they looked very lethargic I thought. So many of their players just trounce around showing no hunger or passion at all, waiting for something to happen, De Bruyne and Lukaku prime examples.
After yesterday you would expect Italy to beat Sweden leaving them on 6 points and qualified so the Ireland v Belgium game could decide who comes 2nd if either win.
this is Belgium's problem..you don't just switch hunger and passion on and off. Their big name players simply don't care enough for international football, its prob a bit of a hindrance to them, not enough money in it. Kompany is a massive loss for them as he is a real leader on the pitch.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html)
McCarthy came into this tournament with an injury and didn't look fully fit. Neither did Walters. In fairness though they both tried hard. Hoolahan never lasts 90 minutes and I have heard it said that he wouldn't make 3 games in quick succession. If we don't lose to Belgium he might have to play 4.
I was particularly disappointed with McClean and McGeady. I did't expect much from Keane, except that if a chance fell to him, like say O'Shea's, he would score. But the other two, McClean's semi-decent header aside, were awful. McGeady going down injured, and us putting the ball out, while we were on what was our last attack just summed up his contribution for me.
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McCarthy came into this tournament with an injury and didn't look fully fit. Neither did Walters. In fairness though they both tried hard. Hoolahan never lasts 90 minutes and I have heard it said that he wouldn't make 3 games in quick succession. If we don't lose to Belgium he might have to play 4.
I was particularly disappointed with McClean and McGeady. I did't expect much from Keane, except that if a chance fell to him, like say O'Shea's, he would score. But the other two, McClean's semi-decent header aside, were awful. McGeady going down injured, and us putting the ball out, while we were on what was our last attack just summed up his contribution for me.
McLean looked physically so weak yesterday. I was waiting for him to clatter someone!! Real shame Harry Arter got injured!! One of the few players able to retain the ball.
I can see the Belgians dropping Lukaku and Fellaini against Ireland. Hazard moving centrally and Origvi (typo) would be much more dangerous!
I dunno what you expect McGeady to do in 6 minutes or so. McClean likewise hadn't much of a chance to make an impact, got about 3 touches
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html)
McCarthy came into this tournament with an injury and didn't look fully fit. Neither did Walters. In fairness though they both tried hard. Hoolahan never lasts 90 minutes and I have heard it said that he wouldn't make 3 games in quick succession. If we don't lose to Belgium he might have to play 4.
I was particularly disappointed with McClean and McGeady. I did't expect much from Keane, except that if a chance fell to him, like say O'Shea's, he would score. But the other two, McClean's semi-decent header aside, were awful. McGeady going down injured, and us putting the ball out, while we were on what was our last attack just summed up his contribution for me.
Jees Muppet you are being very sore on him there I think. You look back at that tackle the guy could have done serious damage he was right over the ball and full force through on McGeady ankle, could have been a bad injury for him.
That being said I am not a fan of McGeady but had to at least defend him on that one.
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/james-mccarthy-gets-fitness-boost-ahead-of-euros-34754490.html)
McCarthy came into this tournament with an injury and didn't look fully fit. Neither did Walters. In fairness though they both tried hard. Hoolahan never lasts 90 minutes and I have heard it said that he wouldn't make 3 games in quick succession. If we don't lose to Belgium he might have to play 4.
I was particularly disappointed with McClean and McGeady. I did't expect much from Keane, except that if a chance fell to him, like say O'Shea's, he would score. But the other two, McClean's semi-decent header aside, were awful. McGeady going down injured, and us putting the ball out, while we were on what was our last attack just summed up his contribution for me.
Jees Muppet you are being very sore on him there I think. You look back at that tackle the guy could have done serious damage he was right over the ball and full force through on McGeady ankle, could have been a bad injury for him.
That being said I am not a fan of McGeady but had to at least defend him on that one.
That isn't my problem with him. It looked bad I agree, but he was up and fine a minute later. In between the initial hit and being fine though he could have cost us our last attack. To be fair this is a soccer thing in general. A GAA player or definitely a ruby player would try to get up first and see if they were hurt. He just stayed down as they do in soccer.
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McCarthy came into this tournament with an injury and didn't look fully fit. Neither did Walters. In fairness though they both tried hard. Hoolahan never lasts 90 minutes and I have heard it said that he wouldn't make 3 games in quick succession. If we don't lose to Belgium he might have to play 4.
I was particularly disappointed with McClean and McGeady. I did't expect much from Keane, except that if a chance fell to him, like say O'Shea's, he would score. But the other two, McClean's semi-decent header aside, were awful. McGeady going down injured, and us putting the ball out, while we were on what was our last attack just summed up his contribution for me.
Jees Muppet you are being very sore on him there I think. You look back at that tackle the guy could have done serious damage he was right over the ball and full force through on McGeady ankle, could have been a bad injury for him.
That being said I am not a fan of McGeady but had to at least defend him on that one.
That isn't my problem with him. It looked bad I agree, but he was up and fine a minute later. In between the initial hit and being fine though he could have cost us our last attack. To be fair this is a soccer thing in general. A GAA player or definitely a ruby player would try to get up first and see if they were hurt. He just stayed down as they do in soccer.
You have sort of defeated your own argument there ;)
If it is what he used too then thats it what he is going to do.....
Agreed it is a blight on soccer the way the players get on Pepe springing to mind.
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
So you think it was better to leave a guy on the pitch that was almost out on his feet than bring on a fresh pair of legs and Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer?
Even if you don't think Keane should have came on it was still right to make a change.
Go back to talking shite about Roscommon ffs.
Keane did nothing but eyeball the camera and shout. Exactly what anyone who's watched him at all in the last two or three years will have known he was going to do. They took off our best player whatever way you want to dance around it and that was an insane decision.
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
So you think it was better to leave a guy on the pitch that was almost out on his feet than bring on a fresh pair of legs and Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer?
Even if you don't think Keane should have came on it was still right to make a change.
Go back to talking shite about Roscommon ffs.
Keane did nothing but eyeball the camera and shout. Exactly what anyone who's watched him at all in the last two or three years will have known he was going to do. They took off our best player whatever way you want to dance around it and that was an insane decision.
Even though he signalled to the bench that he was fcuked??
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
So you think it was better to leave a guy on the pitch that was almost out on his feet than bring on a fresh pair of legs and Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer?
Even if you don't think Keane should have came on it was still right to make a change.
Go back to talking shite about Roscommon ffs.
Keane did nothing but eyeball the camera and shout. Exactly what anyone who's watched him at all in the last two or three years will have known he was going to do. They took off our best player whatever way you want to dance around it and that was an insane decision.
I hope you're not involved in management with your local club.. ;D
Couldn't figure out who that fella on itv was. Lothar Matthaus. He looks different, teeth done or new hair or something.
Hungary 2 Austria 0. The Austrians are in our world cup qualification group, good to see they are not as good as their world ranking of 10 indicates.
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Good for them. Seafoid living in the past when Galway were challengers in Conancht and Inter were more than s road bump in the Europa.
What does Holihan need to do not to be fûcked over by the Irish manager? He was about the last player that should have been subbed out for Keano No Goals yesterday.
Hoolahan was fcuked by the time he brought him off ffs he said so himself afterwards.
There are 2(hopefully more) games left so it was sensible to bring him off.
Not winning that one it looks nearly sure to be just the two. Houlihan even if shagged was not the player you take off if you want to improve your chances of a winner, a goal that we absolutely needed.
So you think it was better to leave a guy on the pitch that was almost out on his feet than bring on a fresh pair of legs and Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer?
Even if you don't think Keane should have came on it was still right to make a change.
Go back to talking shite about Roscommon ffs.
Keane did nothing but eyeball the camera and shout. Exactly what anyone who's watched him at all in the last two or three years will have known he was going to do. They took off our best player whatever way you want to dance around it and that was an insane decision.
Keane eyeballing the camera?? That was the reason Sweden scored.... Great analysis ;D
Syferus hoolohan doesn't last 90 minutes for ireland. Not fit enough. No insanity about it. It was the same in qualifiers etc.
Plus brady was probably better than him...
I'd say there isn't much traffic in Iceland this evening.
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I'd say there isn't much traffic in Iceland this evening.
With a population of 300k, I'd say there isn't much traffic in Iceland any evening. ;)
Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
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I'd say there isn't much traffic in Iceland this evening.
With a population of 300k, I'd say there isn't much traffic in Iceland any evening. ;)
Just a couple of old geysers.
Both houlahan and Walters flagged to the bench to be taken off.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
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Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
He does it everytime he has a stinker
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Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
He does it everytime he has a stinker
Ronaldo rarely does it when needed most and will never be up there with the greats. Zidane, Maradona and fat Ronaldo all carried their countries to success. Something vain Ronaldo and Messi have never done.
I see that the young fella from Donegal has been found safe and well great news.
Now he deserves a good tight slap! ;D
(Had posted in the wrong thread >:()
serious amount of lads going missing (pissed drunk, off their tits, found a hooker, got on wrong bus, lost their phone) in France these days.... Media frenzy looking for someone when there really is no need
Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
Same boy rather shake their lad.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 15, 2016, 01:53:54 PM
I see that the young fella from Donegal has been found safe and well great news.
Now he deserves a good tight slap! ;D
(Had posted in the wrong thread >:()
Hope she was worth it!
lol...well played.
https://twitter.com/castleDD/status/742826642993778689
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2016, 02:36:34 PM
Whilst most people were very pleased how well Ireland played, especially in the first half I think we learned that Sweden are quite poor and we should have beaten them had we taken our chances.
Belgium were embarrassed by Italy and will be very well motivated now to come gunning for us as they looked very lethargic I thought. So many of their players just trounce around showing no hunger or passion at all, waiting for something to happen, De Bruyne and Lukaku prime examples.
After yesterday you would expect Italy to beat Sweden leaving them on 6 points and qualified so the Ireland v Belgium game could decide who comes 2nd if either win.
Remember you can qualify coming 3rd in the group. I'd give Ireland a more than decent chance against Belgium. I think it was Vialli who said last night that it looked like they hadn't done much work on the training ground, and it's a bit late to start now. If we can get into them and unsettle them and play a bit of football as well, a win is not beyond this team.
One point out of the remaining two fixtures could be enough, depending on how the other third places in the other groups go. It's possible to finish third on only one point, so if that happens in two groups...
If Ireland and Sweden both lose their last 2 games by the same scorelines then which one comes 3rd.
Isn't it score difference first and then goals scored?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
If Ireland and Sweden both lose their last 2 games by the same scorelines then which one comes 3rd.
Isn't it score difference first and then goals scored?
Correct. Followed by coin toss.
If Italy win all 3 games then it's possibly, albeit unlikely that Ireland could come 2nd on 2 points.
4 points is guaranteed to be enough. 3 points gives an 87% chance of qualification.
Pogba the difference in that match. Some player.
That was cruel on Albania.
Definitely feel sorry for Albania, they defended magnificently up to the last couple of minutes. Must've been knackered.
Sky News still defending the jolly boys despite the fact that pictures show them being fcukin hooligans >:( >:(
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Pogba the difference in that match. Some player.
Offloading the likes of Pique and Pogba. Misjudgement on Fergies part?
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Pogba the difference in that match. Some player.
Offloading the likes of Pique and Pogba. Misjudgement on Fergies part?
Pique wanted to go and only had a year left on his contract and United got good money for a lad who'd hardly played. Its hard to know what to believe regarding Pogba, I do think Pogba was annoyed given he'd been given a chance and United had even played Rafael in centre mid ahead of him in one game. United offered him a very good deal, think his agent was the problem as the were rumours were that Juve were offering a signing on fee.
As for the game, Albania didn't deserve that; France not convincing me against 2 of the weakest teams in the tournament. They still look so unbalanced and is there any Arsenal fan out there who thinks Giroud is a better player then Martial? Giroud is going to cost France later on, he should be a good option to bring off the bench but not to start with.
Martial was sh*t last night, Giroud was well Giroud. Arsenal badly need an upgrade on Giroud, Martial wouldn't be an upgrade, he'd offer something different but he's no Aguero or even a Kane.
Are any of ye going to the game in Bordeaux?
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 15, 2016, 10:34:29 PM
Sky News still defending the jolly boys despite the fact that pictures show them being fcukin hooligans >:( >:(
This.
The spinning and twisting of language in most UK based reporting of this hooliganism is astounding.
To use their own well rehearsed phraseology, this is modern terrorism waged against the people of France and their visitors.
how will the Wales England game go? England have done their usual shit first game, and Wales are off to a flyer ... England are not great value on the betting... But its hard to see past them
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how will the Wales England game go? England have done their usual shit first game, and Wales are off to a flyer ... England are not great value on the betting... But its hard to see past them
Wales will be motivated. England have better players. Nil nil
Get in!!
Awful from Harte!
English goalkeepers have a habit of making errors like that in major tournaments. The game itself is like watching a poor premier league match full of overrated players.
Group B keepers in a betting cartel for Bayle as top scorer?
Great goal!!!
Joe Hart.
FFS, 1-1.
Some spot by the linesman/referee in real time. I was sure that was offside.
Excellent decision from the lino
There is no way the linesman or ref could have seen it hit Williams last before Vardy scored.
They got lucky imo.
Sturridge and Vardy have changed the shape of the game alright. But Jaysus Sturridge is a greedy bastard.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 16, 2016, 03:25:04 PM
Sturridge and Vardy have changed the shape of the game alright. But Jaysus Sturridge is a greedy b**tard.
I was thinking the same.
From the FIFA rule book
Definitions
In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
...
• "gaining an advantage by being in that position" means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered
to have gained an advantage.
So did Williams deliberately play the ball?
Yes, he did deliberately play the ball. He didn't deliberately mean to direct it there, but he did attack and header it.
Been a bloody awful match in fairness.
Sturridge the cnut.
The bastards. It was coming though.
Greedy Bastard.
Delighted for Wales though. I don't like them.
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
Sturridge the cnut.
We haven't said that too often when he has scored! ;)
England stumbling on to their best team, just needs to get Dier out of that team as well and probably Rose both were pretty awful.
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Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
Sturridge the cnut.
We haven't said that too often when he has scored! ;)
Good finish in fairness though the Welsh keeper could have done better.
England got lucky with first goal imo.
It was a poor decision from the linesman that turned out to be a lucky good decision.
One of the Wales defenders fell over to let Sturridge in.
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Sturridge the cnut.
We haven't said that too often when he has scored! ;)
Good finish in fairness though the Welsh keeper could have done better.
England got lucky with first goal imo.
It was a poor decision from the linesman that turned out to be a lucky good decision.
I don't know that an English lad actually challenged in the air, so maybe the linesman knew it had to be one of the two Welsh lads.
There will always be an England . Great grit . Fortune favours the brave .
This can be a springboard to the semi which is realistic goal for this honest , likeable but albeit limited squad .
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Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
Sturridge the cnut.
We haven't said that too often when he has scored! ;)
Good finish in fairness though the Welsh keeper could have done better.
England got lucky with first goal imo.
It was a poor decision from the linesman that turned out to be a lucky good decision.
England were far far better and had a fully merited win .
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Sterling is pish
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Sterling is pish
Best money Liverpool ever made!
He will be playing for Hull City soon if he keeps those performances up. If Pep was watching today Hart and Sterling didn't do themselves any favours.
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Sterling is pish
Best money Liverpool ever made!
He will be playing for Hull City soon if he keeps those performances up. If Pep was watching today Hart and Sterling didn't do themselves any favours.
surely wont be picked again for england this tournament. 2 brutal performances
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Sterling is pish
Best money Liverpool ever made!
He will be playing for Hull City soon if he keeps those performances up. If Pep was watching today Hart and Sterling didn't do themselves any favours.
surely wont be picked again for england this tournament. 2 brutal performances
I wouldn't think so. I'd be shocked if he is starting the next game.
Been doing bets on corners during tournament... Seems its either over 10 or 11 @ evens or under same price... The teams with good forwards in each team have got over 11 no problem... I've backed this one for under, managed 5 out of 6 so far
Holy shit they scored!!
More like holy f**k they going to win
Ukraine are pure dung.
Still a threat though.
No idea what that substitution was about.
G who's the neutral commentator, McGinn, them Tyrone ones always let you down lol
They'll be partying in Donaghmore tonight.
Great goal by the republic of ireland fan ;)
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
There won't be a cow milked in east belfast tonight .
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
There won't be a cow milked in east belfast tonight .
I reckon there'll be more cows milked than ever!
NI into second round now. If Ireland finish third, NI might knock them out. A win v Belgium is a must now.
only problem is Belgium got way better players than ours
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There won't be a cow milked in east belfast tonight .
I reckon there'll be more cows milked than ever!
Touche
Republic get 3 draws and Germany give the billy boys a good pasting then the republic will be above them on goal difference?
Still have to get the draws tho
QuoteChris Wheeler @ChrisWheelerDM 7m7 minutes ago
Hearing that a N Ireland fan has died of a heart attack during the game. Second tragedy involving one of their fans at Euro 2016. Very sad.
At this rate finishing 3rd with 3 points isn't going to guarantee a last 16 place, that second goal for NI could well prove to be very crucial.
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't a home nation. It is a real nation.
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't just a home nation. It is a real nation.
Slight amendment to correct . Eire need to up it to uphold the good name of soccer on these islands.
Great to see a Tyrone man scoring. 8)
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't just a home nation. It is a real nation.
Slight amendment to correct . Eire need to up it to uphold the good name of soccer on these islands.
We aren't a home nation, but Scotland is, how are they doing?
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't just a home nation. It is a real nation.
Slight amendment to correct . Eire need to up it to uphold the good name of soccer on these islands.
We aren't a home nation, but Scotland is, how are they doing?
Eire are a home nation for soccer reference . Scotland are doing badly to say they could not reach a 24 team euros .
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't just a home nation. It is a real nation.
Slight amendment to correct . Eire need to up it to uphold the good name of soccer on these islands.
We aren't a home nation, but Scotland is, how are they doing?
Eire are a home nation for soccer reference . Scotland are doing badly to say they could not reach a 24 team euros .
only in the daily mail
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Sure it isn't just a home nation. It is a real nation.
Slight amendment to correct . Eire need to up it to uphold the good name of soccer on these islands.
We aren't a home nation, but Scotland is, how are they doing?
Eire are a home nation for soccer reference . Scotland are doing badly to say they could not reach a 24 team euros .
Can you please provide a current reference of same?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 16, 2016, 07:08:27 PM
only problem is Belgium got way better players than ours
The most over-rated bunch of players since England's 'golden generation'.
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Where the hell is Eire?? Is it one of the new countries out if the old eastern bloc??
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 16, 2016, 07:08:27 PM
only problem is Belgium got way better players than ours
The most over-rated bunch of players since England's 'golden generation'.
Perhaps. The vast majority of the free state's players are complete garbage though.
The Euros are like the club championship finals. All about how good the journeymen are
Eire is the term of the mainland for 26 county soccerball team. They are part of the British isles soccer club of nations . This is a common soccer view .
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 09:56:52 PM
Eire is the term of the mainland for 26 county soccerball team. They are part of the British isles soccer club of nations . This is a common soccer view .
Shut the f**k up.
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 09:56:52 PM
Eire is the term of the mainland for 26 county soccerball team. They are part of the British isles soccer club of nations . This is a common soccer view .
Shut the f**k up.
I will now I have clarified my point . You obviously find this view accurate but inconvenient due to your vacuous and obnoxious reply.
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Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Where the hell is Eire?? Is it one of the new countries out if the old eastern bloc??
Probably the same place that is on the back of this jersey:
https://www.oneills.com/ireland-international-rules-jersey-2015-green.html
They've even provided a helpful outline of said country.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvRhY9TF6yyahtriGqCKwfb9ux_bns82o9c3g_uCRO08Jvg7CoNQ)
Is gawa316 still on the piss?
So, Poland keep out the Germans.
Just a pity that wasn't the case in 1939.
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Is gawa316 still on the piss?
Working :'( but over the frickin' moon!!
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Eire the only one of the home nations without a win.
Where the hell is Eire?? Is it one of the new countries out if the old eastern bloc??
Probably the same place that is on the back of this jersey:
https://www.oneills.com/ireland-international-rules-jersey-2015-green.html
They've even provided a helpful outline of said country.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvRhY9TF6yyahtriGqCKwfb9ux_bns82o9c3g_uCRO08Jvg7CoNQ)
Sure I know that place , Éire (Ireland as Béarla) , I grew up and live here but I never heard of a British soccer state called Eire (no fada ) referred to as a home nation!!😉
The only British soccer state's I know of are an Bhreatain Bheag , Albain agus Sasana??
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 09:56:52 PM
Eire is the term of the mainland for 26 county soccerball team. They are part of the British isles soccer club of nations . This is a common soccer view .
Éire includes the north of Ireland . The Nordies are part of muintir na hÉireann.
Do the Republic have any chance of a win tomorrow or is it a case of hoping for a draw??
They obviously have a chance, but the news that Walters may be out means one of the two crap replacements are likely to get the nod, namely McGeady or McClean.
I would also expect Belgium to improve from the pitiful showing in their first game. Still, you never know.
If Ireland go out with the same attitude as first game then they can win...
Quote from: ashman on June 16, 2016, 09:56:52 PM
Eire is the term of the mainland for 26 county soccerball team. They are part of the British isles soccer club of nations . This is a common soccer view .
What 'mainland' are you swooning over?
Whats best result for Ireland in this Italy-Sweden game? Im thinking win for Italy and theyve qualified might take shoe off for last game against us.
Quote from: The Stallion on June 17, 2016, 01:26:51 PM
They obviously have a chance, but the news that Walters may be out means one of the two crap replacements are likely to get the nod, namely McGeady or McClean.
I would also expect Belgium to improve from the pitiful showing in their first game. Still, you never know.
At least Jurgen Klopp isn't our manager.
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2016, 02:20:22 PM
Whats best result for Ireland in this Italy-Sweden game? Im thinking win for Italy and theyve qualified might take shoe off for last game against us.
I dont think it really matters, think Ireland are going to need a win against Belgium regardless.
You're probably right. I think theyve blown it :-\
Italy win is the best chance i think. Italy win then they're through and less to play for in final game.
Realistically i don't think we'll beat belgium but could maybe get a draw. Italy beating belgium has also meant belgium have to try to win both games so have something to play for in the final game regardless of result against us.
I could see belgium maybe dropping lukaku and bringing origi in again. Be interesting to see how we cope. Walters is probably our most important player and would be a huge loss.
Mcgeady actually does much better at international level than club level. I think mcclean is too predictable to start. How he plays works ok, sometimes, when defenders have tired legs but never really from the start.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
Italy win is the best chance i think. Italy win then they're through and less to play for in final game.
Realistically i don't think we'll beat belgium but could maybe get a draw. Italy beating belgium has also meant belgium have to try to win both games so have something to play for in the final game regardless of result against us.
I could see belgium maybe dropping lukaku and bringing origi in again. Be interesting to see how we cope. Walters is probably our most important player and would be a huge loss.
Mcgeady actually does much better at international level than club level. I think mcclean is too predictable to start. How he plays works ok, sometimes, when defenders have tired legs but never really from the start.
McClean has a serious engine, though can be a tad gung ho in the tackle , so I'd start James for sheer work rate alone, never mind the delivers into the box, and then bring jittery feet on for the last 15
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2016, 02:35:44 PM
Italy win is the best chance i think. Italy win then they're through and less to play for in final game.
Realistically i don't think we'll beat belgium but could maybe get a draw. Italy beating belgium has also meant belgium have to try to win both games so have something to play for in the final game regardless of result against us.
I could see belgium maybe dropping lukaku and bringing origi in again. Be interesting to see how we cope. Walters is probably our most important player and would be a huge loss.
Mcgeady actually does much better at international level than club level. I think mcclean is too predictable to start. How he plays works ok, sometimes, when defenders have tired legs but never really from the start.
McClean has a serious engine, though can be a tad gung ho in the tackle , so I'd start James for sheer work rate alone, never mind the delivers into the box, and then bring jittery feet on for the last 15
Not a huge McClean fan, but I'd agree he is stronger coming from the bench, the one thing he brings is pace and power. I would inclined to bring him on when the players start to tire but play him through the middle and go direct at him. I dont think he has the ability for wide play or the final ball. But he could be effective right up against the centre halves.
You're never quite sure what you will get with him either but mcgeady similar in that regard. I do think his direct running causes tired legs more bother than fresh ones and he doesn't vary it much so usually sussed out quick enough.
Neither team looks great here. Dunno what that says about us or belgium.
Funny old tournament. Leicester, west ham and norwich with 3 of the better players thus far.
The games have been fairly dire the last two days. This one no better.
The secret with Italy is don't let them score early. You have a chance if you don't fall behind and let them get into what they are probably the best in the world at, i.e. soak up pressure and kill you off when you get knackered. They are no bad team either way, but letting them make the running and try to get 1-0 up, or better again, try to equalise, has always been the way to play them.
I think if we are to get 3 points italy is our best chance.
Poor game here.
1-0 Italy
There has been a lot of late goals so far in this tournament
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2016, 03:50:32 PM
1-0 Italy
There has been a lot of late goals so far in this tournament
And games were there are more than 10 corners!! I'm only sticking £5 quid on these but that's 6 of 7 now.. never seen game but check at half time and there was only 2 corners at that point! beats trying to pick a winner!!
Surely Italy will take the foot off the gas, they have topped the group? and will rest lads for the Irish game, hopefully the panel players don't play better though
A decent result for Eire. I think Martin O Neill would be Napoleon's type of general .
Going against the herd here I know, but I would have thought that the spear carriers in the Italian squad would have a point to prove against Ireland. Hope I am wrong as I think we will need the 3 points against them to progress.
In fairness to the soccer heads they always represent the country excellently abroad. When you see what our neighbours are at you can't help but have a little bit of pride in the national identity.
Croatia beating Czech Rep is probably good news as well so that the other potential third place teams have as few points as possible.
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
In fairness to the soccer heads they always represent the country excellently abroad. When you see what our neighbours are at you cant have but have a little bit of pride in the national identity.
Would agree. But I thought the singing when beat 4 nil by spain was embarrasing in last euros. I will Prob get abused for sayING thus but it was cringe.
Quote from: dec on June 17, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
Croatia beating Czech Rep is probably good news as well so that the other potential third place teams have as few points as possible.
2-2 now!
Good finish to that game!
Subs scoring again. Our subs seem unlikely to be joining them though.
Quote from: laoislad on June 17, 2016, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: dec on June 17, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
Croatia beating Czech Rep is probably good news as well so that the other potential third place teams have as few points as possible.
2-2 now!
Clearly I jinxed them.
Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2016, 06:59:15 PM
Good finish to that game!
Subs scoring again. Our subs seem unlikely to be joining them though.
Which end?
All explained here, pretty straight forward ::)
www.eurosport.com/football/euro-2016/2016/explained-3rd-place-teams-at-euro-2016-how-it-works-who-plays-whom-and-who-s-set-to-grab-a-spot_sto5651583/story.shtml
I'm sure most people have seen this on Facebook but it is very, very funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcidS5WDaFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcidS5WDaFQ)
Have just seen on Twitter that former Guardian chief football writer Kevin McCarra has gone missing in France. Hope he's OK, always liked his writing.
Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 10:49:03 PM
Have just seen on Twitter that former Guardian chief football writer Kevin McCarra has gone missing in France. Hope he's OK, always liked his writing.
Found. Most of these lads going missing probably suffering from the booze.
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Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 10:49:03 PM
Have just seen on Twitter that former Guardian chief football writer Kevin McCarra has gone missing in France. Hope he's OK, always liked his writing.
Found. Most of these lads going missing probably suffering from the booze.
Well embarrassed for all involved... Next one that puts up a missing person tweet/message needs banned
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Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
He does it everytime he has a stinker
Ronaldo rarely does it when needed most and will never be up there with the greats. Zidane, Maradona and fat Ronaldo all carried their countries to success. Something vain Ronaldo and Messi have never done.
Don't like Ronaldo, but you can't expect either him or Messi to carry a shit team although the Argies have a few coming through.
Funny I don't remember Puskas, Di Stefano, Eusebio Best or Cruyff dragging their country to success, yet they're always mentioned in that exalted company.
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
He does it everytime he has a stinker
Ronaldo rarely does it when needed most and will never be up there with the greats. Zidane, Maradona and fat Ronaldo all carried their countries to success. Something vain Ronaldo and Messi have never done.
Don't like Ronaldo, but you can't expect either him or Messi to carry a shit team although the Argies have a few coming through.
Argentinians.
Quote from: Itchy on June 18, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 18, 2016, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: mikehunt on June 14, 2016, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 14, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
Is Ronaldo incapable of shaking his opponents hands?
I thought the very same thing.
Prima Donna behaviour at its worst.
He does it everytime he has a stinker
Ronaldo rarely does it when needed most and will never be up there with the greats. Zidane, Maradona and fat Ronaldo all carried their countries to success. Something vain Ronaldo and Messi have never done.
Don't like Ronaldo, but you can't expect either him or Messi to carry a shit team although the Argies have a few coming through.
Argentinians.
Them too. Load Kyle Lavertys in the Belgium team, not to many Maginns...hand on heart!
Strange choice picking Stephen Ward, brutal left back.
Soaking up the pressure handy enough... Belgium not great
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2016, 02:06:58 PM
Strange choice picking Stephen Ward, brutal left back.
As opposed to picking?
Would have kept Brady left back and McClean left midfield. McClean is limited but he is game and will not show any respect, have never rated Ward.
This ref is not giving us much.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2016, 02:35:15 PM
This ref is not giving us much.
Ref is giving the lads feck all
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2016, 02:32:32 PM
Would have kept Brady left back and McClean left midfield. McClean is limited but he is game and will not show any respect, have never rated Ward.
McClean to dangerous to start a game. Disaster for getting a yellow early. Better to have him in reserve. And lesser time to get two yellows.
Doing ok. Belgium for all their play have created nothing.
Shane Long getting nothing off the ref but some of the high balls to him have been ridiculous.
O'Shea is some man for hoofing the ball upfield rather than a simple pass to a team mate.
That was a long half, playing a dangerous game playing for a 0-0 but I'd bite your hand off for that result at this stage, the Belgians don't look great but we keep kicking the ball back to them.
Boring half of football almost as boring as Egypt v Republic of Ireland from the 1990 World cup.
The ole soccerball is hard to watch. When 0-0 is your target you may go find something else to do. I am away to cut the grass.
Jesus we are bad. I've never seen a team as bad for just hoofing the ball up the field all the time.
Quote from: AQMP on June 18, 2016, 03:13:34 PM
Long cannot hold on to possession he's totally unsuited for the lone foward role
Long's limitations at a higher level being exposed now anyway. We've reverted to our default setting of being crap.
Time for Quinny.
:-\
The team that set out to try to win the game are getting what they deserve. Ireland's negative tactics cost them. Hard to see it turning around.
Have Ireland ever come back from 2 down?
'Fields' ringing about - Keano will do his nut!
Quote from: laoislad on June 18, 2016, 03:30:08 PM
At least I can watch all the Laois match now....
You could be going from the frying pan into the fire there LL!
Quote from: AQMP on June 18, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
I'm off to Tesco this looks like it could be 4 or 5.
What are ye getting?
Told ye. Been pretty putrid for well over a decade and poor Trapp got stick for realising how woefully limited we are.
At least I might win the office pool with Belgium but beating us isn't exactly a tournament shaking task.
Euro 2012 revisited for the republic of Ireland in this second half.
Great point there for Armagh
In fairness we are limited small country with no Soccer structure or culture. It's hard to believe we actually qualify for tournaments and in some cases get results. After this game I'm heading to Castlebar to watch Mayo v Galway. I'm a big Soccer fan, but the Mayo match has overshawed the Irish game for me today. Gaelic football is first and this is the case with most of Ireland, especially rural Ireland.
Still one game to go - all is not lost yet.
They don't deserve to go through.
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Quote from: AQMP on June 18, 2016, 03:13:34 PM
Long cannot hold on to possession he's totally unsuited for the lone foward role
Long's limitations at a higher level being exposed now anyway. We've reverted to our default setting of being crap.
He was rubbish but there isn't a player on the planet who could have done anything with those balls that were hoofed in his general direction all day. We never tried to pass the ball.
Like watching Down v Monaghan all over again. Go in at half time level enough, referee is sh*ite, get totally outclassed in second half.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2016, 03:47:47 PM
They don't deserve to go through.
Today was embarrassing after a mostly good performance against Sweden. Today was a step-up but I've no idea why we didn't even try to play.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
In fairness we are limited small country with no Soccer structure or culture. It's hard to believe we actually qualify for tournaments and in some cases get results. After this game I'm heading to Castlebar to watch Mayo v Galway. I'm a big Soccer fan, but the Mayo match has overshawed the Irish game for me today. Gaelic football is first and this is the case with most of Ireland, especially rural Ireland.
Still one game to go - all is not lost yet.
What are you on about Bunker. Soccer is massive here. Sure more people play soccer than Gaelic football - the fact is we have no excuse for assembling such a poor group of indivuals over the last decade and a half. Doesn't help that the FAI is ran like a frat club that'd make John Prenty cringe.
The Third place table at the moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams)
Embarrassing stuff today.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 22, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Belgium, me hole.
They're totally over rated. They'll be nowhere near winning it. There's only 2 contenders for me: Germany and Spain. I think Germany will win it though
I Still think you are spot on ,
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
In fairness we are limited small country with no Soccer structure or culture. It's hard to believe we actually qualify for tournaments and in some cases get results. After this game I'm heading to Castlebar to watch Mayo v Galway. I'm a big Soccer fan, but the Mayo match has overshawed the Irish game for me today. Gaelic football is first and this is the case with most of Ireland, especially rural Ireland.
Still one game to go - all is not lost yet.
What are you on about Bunker. Soccer is massive here. Sure more people play soccer than Gaelic football - the fact is we have no excuse for assembling such a poor group of indivuals over the last decade and a half. Doesn't help that the FAI is ran like a frat club that'd make John Prenty cringe.
Yeah, naturally soccer is an easier recreational game to play. Easier to play in the school yard and easier to play indoor 5 a side etc. So the stats will always be skewed by such statistics.
You can look at Rugby as an example of competing against gaelic games. But that is such a minority sport in a small pool of competitive countries. It looks easier to be competitive.
It's hard to know what the FAI should/could do to improve the LOI and the Irish International set-up.
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I'm off to Tesco this looks like it could be 4 or 5.
What are ye getting?
Local Centra had an offer in Bombay Sapphire gin so I invested in some
Nice gin.... Big glass, slimline or full fat ;D
It was like watching a bad pub team today
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
In fairness we are limited small country with no Soccer structure or culture. It's hard to believe we actually qualify for tournaments and in some cases get results. After this game I'm heading to Castlebar to watch Mayo v Galway. I'm a big Soccer fan, but the Mayo match has overshawed the Irish game for me today. Gaelic football is first and this is the case with most of Ireland, especially rural Ireland.
Still one game to go - all is not lost yet.
What are you on about Bunker. Soccer is massive here. Sure more people play soccer than Gaelic football - the fact is we have no excuse for assembling such a poor group of indivuals over the last decade and a half. Doesn't help that the FAI is ran like a frat club that'd make John Prenty cringe.
Yeah, naturally soccer is an easier recreational game to play. Easier to play in the school yard and easier to play indoor 5 a side etc. So the stats will always be skewed by such statistics.
You can look at Rugby as an example of competing against gaelic games. But that is such a minority sport in a small pool of competitive countries. It looks easier to be competitive.
It's hard to know what the FAI should/could do to improve the LOI and the Irish International set-up.
Soccer was created as a game for the masses among the working classes in England. You didn't need brains to play it.
Using numbers playing it isn't a good argument. It was created for mass appeal
Sports coaching in Ireland with the possible exception of rugby is sloppy. Soccer has no structure to compare with what Belgium does. No vision. England is just as bad. The PL is questionable in terms of developing players and anyway the Irish players are all mid ranking because the market for PL players is global. A kid from Kinshasa has as much chance of making it as someone from Crumlin. Dunphy and Co perpetuate the system. "I used to.play for Millwall " back in the day when English sides were 100% local and 100% white.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
Sports coaching in Ireland with the possible exception of rugby is sloppy. Soccer has no structure to compare with what Belgium does. No vision. England is just as bad. The PL is questionable in terms of developing players and anyway the Irish players are all mid ranking because the market for PL players is global. A kid from Kinshasa has as much chance of making it as someone from Crumlin. Dunphy and Co perpetuate the system. "I used to.play for Millwall " back in the day when English sides were 100% local and 100% white.
Do you the structures in soccer? Academy development squads youth systems?? Be interesting to know
It's not that english player development is questionable. The premier league is fickle so it is too big a risk for coaches to take their chances with youth particularly top clubs.
That also impacts our players. Realistically clubs here develop the international guys until 16-18 age bracket and sometimes younger. They then go to english youth systems.
Even england are now moving towards pulling players from lesser clubs and even dipping more towards championship.
I think it's a bit offensive on a lot of people who put a lot of work in to say that youth systems here are shoddy.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
Sports coaching in Ireland with the possible exception of rugby is sloppy. Soccer has no structure to compare with what Belgium does. No vision. England is just as bad. The PL is questionable in terms of developing players and anyway the Irish players are all mid ranking because the market for PL players is global. A kid from Kinshasa has as much chance of making it as someone from Crumlin. Dunphy and Co perpetuate the system. "I used to.play for Millwall " back in the day when English sides were 100% local and 100% white.
Do you the structures in soccer? Academy development squads youth systems?? Be interesting to know
My basic understanding is that traditionally the structures are geared towards talent identification, I am not aware of any talent development programs as such. Once talent is identified, particular in the greater Dublin region, Dublin schoolboy clubs will swoop in and sign up. Players will sign contracts with these clubs and they then get exposed to EPL scouts etc. There was always a disconnect between school boy clubs and the FAI, particularly Dublin clubs. I do believe the FAI are developing u17 national leagues, to try and create a pathway to senior. Perhaps someone like Billy Boots who would have been closer to the grass roots of soccer in Ireland might have a better idea.
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
It's not that english player development is questionable. The premier league is fickle so it is too big a risk for coaches to take their chances with youth particularly top clubs.
That also impacts our players. Realistically clubs here develop the international guys until 16-18 age bracket and sometimes younger. They then go to english youth systems.
Even england are now moving towards pulling players from lesser clubs and even dipping more towards championship.
I think it's a bit offensive on a lot of people who put a lot of work in to say that youth systems here are shoddy.
There are a lot of dedicated people but the system is not good enough. Irish players are fed into the English system where better players are continually bought in from other countries. The BT money will make it even worse.
Belgium has nearly 11 million people we have circa 5 million. Belgium has a colonial legacy with a immigrant population that plays soccer seriously . There is no GAA , rugby or golf although there are other attractions but soccer is number 1 .
They seem to have a very good coaching and club structure.
Quote from: ashman on June 19, 2016, 11:17:48 AM
Belgium has nearly 11 million people we have circa 5 million. Belgium has a colonial legacy with a immigrant population that plays soccer seriously . There is no GAA , rugby or golf although there are other attractions but soccer is number 1 .
They seem to have a very good coaching and club structure.
This might interest you Ashman
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/lsquotherersquos-something-wrong-herersquo-the-call-that-began-a-revolution-272352.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/lsquotherersquos-something-wrong-herersquo-the-call-that-began-a-revolution-272352.html)
Quote from: ashman on June 19, 2016, 11:17:48 AM
Belgium has nearly 11 million people we have circa 5 million. Belgium has a colonial legacy with a immigrant population that plays soccer seriously . There is no GAA , rugby or golf although there are other attractions but soccer is number 1 .
They seem to have a very good coaching and club structure.
Belgium didn't qualify for WC or EC for a long while. They had to rethink their coaching approach .
Other countries draw players from immigrant communities. Switzerland's team has 3 Swiss players.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
Sports talent development? Golf? Rugby? Rowing? Cycling? Athletics?Barcelona,and spain, have done that to teams from other countries too so how is that an example?
How will irish clubs make it so players won't go to england? They do not have the money ao they can't. That is not a fault of theirs or any "system". The loi can't compete with higher or lower leagues of english soccer.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
Sports talent development? Golf? Rugby? Rowing? Cycling? Athletics?Barcelona,and spain, have done that to teams from other countries too so how is that an example?
How will irish clubs make it so players won't go to england? They do not have the money ao they can't. That is not a fault of theirs or any "system". The loi can't compete with higher or lower leagues of english soccer.
Maybe nothing else is possible given the money in England.
Clark played for a poor Aston Villa team but probably gets paid a good bit more than most of the Polish players.
An Irish system that was more open to the Continent and focused on developing the same basics regardless of club might work but would need people to see beyond England.
There has been years of building relationships with english and scottish clubs though. Doing that with european clubs would take years and also it can be a two way street and the culture change for effectively a child would be too much in moving foreign. Irrespective we can only develop them to 16 or 18. It would be the same in many countries. It is pretty much what wales do too and the best scottish go to england. There really isn't an option in this regard.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 12:52:24 PM
There has been years of building relationships with english and scottish clubs though. Doing that with european clubs would take years and also it can be a two way street and the culture change for effectively a child would be too much in moving foreign. Irrespective we can only develop them to 16 or 18. It would be the same in many countries. It is pretty much what wales do too and the best scottish go to england. There really isn't an option in this regard.
If that is the case fans shouldn't expect much. English clubs will buy in the best talent from anywhere. That is a fact. It is not 1985 any more.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 12:52:24 PM
There has been years of building relationships with english and scottish clubs though. Doing that with european clubs would take years and also it can be a two way street and the culture change for effectively a child would be too much in moving foreign. Irrespective we can only develop them to 16 or 18. It would be the same in many countries. It is pretty much what wales do too and the best scottish go to england. There really isn't an option in this regard.
If that is the case fans shouldn't expect much. English clubs will buy in the best talent from anywhere. That is a fact. It is not 1985 any more.
Brexit? No Bosman ruling?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2016, 01:16:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 12:52:24 PM
There has been years of building relationships with english and scottish clubs though. Doing that with european clubs would take years and also it can be a two way street and the culture change for effectively a child would be too much in moving foreign. Irrespective we can only develop them to 16 or 18. It would be the same in many countries. It is pretty much what wales do too and the best scottish go to england. There really isn't an option in this regard.
If that is the case fans shouldn't expect much. English clubs will buy in the best talent from anywhere. That is a fact. It is not 1985 any more.
Brexit? No Bosman ruling?
TV money. 5 billion I think next year
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2016, 12:52:24 PM
There has been years of building relationships with english and scottish clubs though. Doing that with european clubs would take years and also it can be a two way street and the culture change for effectively a child would be too much in moving foreign. Irrespective we can only develop them to 16 or 18. It would be the same in many countries. It is pretty much what wales do too and the best scottish go to england. There really isn't an option in this regard.
If that is the case fans shouldn't expect much. English clubs will buy in the best talent from anywhere. That is a fact. It is not 1985 any more.
Don't think that is true. They pick up from small irish in the same way they pick up from english. There is still player development but it just isn't given as much chance. How much do they buy irish talent for? Sure coleman was 60k.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
Sports coaching in Ireland with the possible exception of rugby is sloppy. Soccer has no structure to compare with what Belgium does. No vision. England is just as bad. The PL is questionable in terms of developing players and anyway the Irish players are all mid ranking because the market for PL players is global. A kid from Kinshasa has as much chance of making it as someone from Crumlin. Dunphy and Co perpetuate the system. "I used to.play for Millwall " back in the day when English sides were 100% local and 100% white.
Do you the structures in soccer? Academy development squads youth systems?? Be interesting to know
My basic understanding is that traditionally the structures are geared towards talent identification, I am not aware of any talent development programs as such. Once talent is identified, particular in the greater Dublin region, Dublin schoolboy clubs will swoop in and sign up. Players will sign contracts with these clubs and they then get exposed to EPL scouts etc. There was always a disconnect between school boy clubs and the FAI, particularly Dublin clubs. I do believe the FAI are developing u17 national leagues, to try and create a pathway to senior. Perhaps someone like Billy Boots who would have been closer to the grass roots of soccer in Ireland might have a better idea.
Well there are lots of 'structures' within the big Dublin schoolboy clubs - all are focussed on developing links with English and Scottish clubs with a view to 'selling' their better players - the cash pays for the next conveyor belt, and this probably suits the bigger English clubs, as there's no commitment required on their part. The 'problem' (major) is that there's no connection to leagues where progressive football is played - English clubs (even Arsenal) are still looking for the biggest and strongest lads. I know that the FAI were looking to 'feed' clubs in Holland and Belgium, but that seems to have hit a wall as well; there was talk of linking with Scandinavian clubs as well. There's the additional language barrier to overcome, as well. There are now national U17 and U19 leagues for the LoI clubs; the big Dublin clubs are not happy - they're saying that it will destroy grassroots football. My own feeling is that it may destroy the cash-cow clubs, but is unlikely to destroy the true grassroots. The knock-on effect may be a decrease in coaching standards, which is probably the opposite effect to that anticipated by this initiative.
I'm most interested in the Iceland 'experiment' - this is probably the coaching nirvana; to coach U10s, you must have attained a UEFA 'B' license. There are already 400 licenced in Iceland for a total population of 400,000 or so (RoI has 500, NI has about 1200). It will be interesting as an experiment to understand better whether the high relative levels of coaching standards has an impact on the low relative population in Iceland, i.e. will the high coaching standards have an impact on the low population, will more world class players be produced, or even an effective style of play, producing results. The standard of Iceland's play in the Euros isn't great, but they're gaining experience, and they're an effective unit. Stay tuned.
So, this is a long-winded way of saying I haven't decided yet what would be Ireland's most effective approach. I'm not sure that change for the sake of change will be our better young players into better professional set-ups. At the moment anyway.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
He's right though. I was speaking to a technical director of one the big Belfast clubs - players arent coached properly here. They're coached with the goal of making it in England - so emphasis on physicality and strength rather than technical ability. Look at boyce from Cliftonville - scored rings round him - went to Germany to play for bremen reserves and didn't get a look in.
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
He's right though. I was speaking to a technical director of one the big Belfast clubs - players arent coached properly here. They're coached with the goal of making it in England - so emphasis on physicality and strength rather than technical ability. Look at boyce from Cliftonville - scored rings round him - went to Germany to play for bremen reserves and didn't get a look in.
I'm more interested in knowing what development structures are in place? Grew up with many a lad that went for trials in England... In the early 80's they were not so much into size but very quickly they wanted height strength, and if they had good technique then they had a chance..
Bit like Gaa football now, bigger players (Jamie Clarke exceptions) generally fill most positions on teams now
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
He's right though. I was speaking to a technical director of one the big Belfast clubs - players arent coached properly here. They're coached with the goal of making it in England - so emphasis on physicality and strength rather than technical ability. Look at boyce from Cliftonville - scored rings round him - went to Germany to play for bremen reserves and didn't get a look in.
I'm more interested in knowing what development structures are in place? Grew up with many a lad that went for trials in England... In the early 80's they were not so much into size but very quickly they wanted height strength, and if they had good technique then they had a chance..
Bit like Gaa football now, bigger players (Jamie Clarke exceptions) generally fill most positions on teams now
Well from my very brief career playing the garrison game at underage, there is/was next to no development. The better players just signed for better teams as they got older and that's how you made progress until low and behold you're playing left back in the changing rooms for Ards reserves.
Compared to when I played underage football if you were in any way half decent from u14-16 you got onto the divisional county development squad and got a bit of proper coaching and training sessions once or twice a week.
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
He's right though. I was speaking to a technical director of one the big Belfast clubs - players arent coached properly here. They're coached with the goal of making it in England - so emphasis on physicality and strength rather than technical ability. Look at boyce from Cliftonville - scored rings round him - went to Germany to play for bremen reserves and didn't get a look in.
I'm more interested in knowing what development structures are in place? Grew up with many a lad that went for trials in England... In the early 80's they were not so much into size but very quickly they wanted height strength, and if they had good technique then they had a chance..
Bit like Gaa football now, bigger players (Jamie Clarke exceptions) generally fill most positions on teams now
Well from my very brief career playing the garrison game at underage, there is/was next to no development. The better players just signed for better teams as they got older and that's how you made progress until low and behold you're playing left back in the changing rooms for Ards reserves.
Compared to when I played underage football if you were in any way half decent from u14-16 you got onto the divisional county development squad and got a bit of proper coaching and training sessions once or twice a week.
Father in law has always been heavily involved with the local soccer scene, training coach at many a local club, played amateur for many years and up on till recently involved at coaching with Greenisland (which has produced a fair few EPL players over the years)
They've a great set up but as you have said they (kids) are usually sent on to Irish league clubs (if the booze doesn't get the better of them) but they have a great coaching and development set up, with an overall (fully paid) development coach that sets the standard for the training, from the under 8's right through..
no real senior team of note to move on to, but they have started to invest a bit in that recently.... my point is that some clubs (well one that I know off) have structures but surely you'd expect development squads (international) at all levels (even at district level) with a common goal in development??
One of the French papers said a very limited Irish team without the ability to capitalise on Belgium's lapses . Second Euros in a row where the team is outclassed. I wouldn't like to be head of performance at the FAI.
Small nation outclassed by world champions in one euros then 5th ranked team in the world at next euros horror. It's not like we are underperforming plus we've a game to go.
I think Irish sport has less of an emphasis on technique than is the case elsewhere. Coaching is not the same as elsewhere. Irish sport favours those who pick up the skills faster or are stronger but in other countries they teach the skills better. There are of course exceptions like Cody teams but they are exceptions. Olympics are a good comparison. Most of Ireland's medals come from boxing. Irish boxing is top notch . Athletics will throw up a superstar like Sonia once in a blue moon. And that is about it.
Now that English soccer is global the Irish team has a big problem and it doesn't come down to Martin O Neill picking Wes Hoolahan or not. It is how soccer is coached from day 1. England has a similar problem as well.
Boxing is a very technical sport...You brand all sports together when there's very rarely a like for like comparison.
We are spread too thinly and that's it. A nation our size can't sustain our own sports and be competitive at everything else too. Can we do better maybe. Do we need a root and branch overhaul because we get beat by one of the best international squads in the world no.
It's not just that we're beaten by some of the best teams in the world (and by Belgium), it's that our players can't seem to string 2 or 3 passes together, and the first touch is often poor. Even leaving aside the fact that yesterday's ref seemed to have a particular grudge against Long, Ireland's inability to control the ball and keep it made the outcome more or less inevitable.
N.I 1/7 to qualify (at minute) if they keep it tight they could nick it.... (n.i 15/1 to win)
I think a problem with soccer in Ireland is that a lot of parents see it as not being consistent with social mobility.
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Boxing is a very technical sport...You brand all sports together when there's very rarely a like for like comparison.
We are spread too thinly and that's it. A nation our size can't sustain our own sports and be competitive at everything else too. Can we do better maybe. Do we need a root and branch overhaul because we get beat by one of the best international squads in the world no.
It is more than that. Really good coaching drills the basics from day 1 so kids have the technical foundation to excel. The Irish players were developed in a different system. Maybe 30 years ago Liverpool and Man U did the final stage of player development and were best in class. That system is dead.
Tennis is a good example of the difference coaching can make. You can develop a style without coaching but it will not be efficient .
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Irish players operate in the wider English system. When Ronnie Whelan and Brady were in their prime English soccer was a thought leader in Europe. It isn't any longer. Other countries have better tactical thinkers and systems. Man Utd vs Tiki Taka in 2011 was a good example. Training teenagers to fit in the English system doesn't necessarily mean top notch. And English sport talent development is haphazard compared to.how things work on the Continent.
So that's your full knowledge of the systems in Ireland?? Hmmmm
Anyone else with a real understanding?
Look at the results, MR. I don't need to know whoever runs the system in Dublin. It is not working unless securing excessive incomes for journeymen who wouldn't make it onto the Albanian team counts as success.
I think the performance against Sweden was largely positive until people started to tire. The Belgian game seemed to be a completely different mindset, and the formation probably reflected that too.
It seems that if we do beat Italy, we're almost certainly through.
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It seems that if we do beat Italy, we're almost certainly through.
Before the tournament began 4 points gave a 99% probability of progression. The lowest that dropped to at any stage was 97%. Win and we are through. To play Spain :-\
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Will a draw and therefore a total of 2 points be enough at all or is it already impossible for 2 points to be enough?
Has to be a win. Even 3 points wouldn't have been a cert.
I think it has to be a win. It's unlikely 2 teams will finish on less than 2 and saturday has crippled our goal difference. I am not 100% sure but think it has to go to goal difference as obviously can't go head to head.
The only other teams that can finish on 2 points are Czech Rep and Portugal.
The Czechs need to draw, but goal diff would be -1. If Portugal lost by 4, Ireland would finish ahead of them on -3, but lose out as they'd be the fifth 3rd place team. The top 4 qualify. So a win is a must.
Have I drank too much o'haras this evening or did dumphy just say that Damien Dempsey should be in the Irish squad?
Russia wide open at the back there. Suppose that's what u get when ure manager is called Slutski.
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Have I drank too much o'haras this evening or did dumphy just say that Damien Dempsey should be in the Irish squad?
It's tough on Eamon at the minute. Now Hoolahan is an automatic choice and Ireland are still rubbish, he needs a new poster boy for lambasting poor national selections, and the pickings are slim.
Quote from: mikehunt on June 20, 2016, 08:14:29 PM
Russia wide open at the back there. Suppose that's what u get when ure manager is called Slutski.
I'm not surprised it was you that thought that, what with your name ;)
Ireland's record at the Euros is played 8 won 1. They have to beat Italy for a bit of respectability.
That defender for Russia Vaseline isn't helping!
Some laugh if the tans end up 3rd in the group!
There'd be lots of tears on this site with all those "premiership" players on show!
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That defender for Russia Vaseline isn't helping!
Shatski to come on when it's in the melting pot.
bale is different class.
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bale is different class.
He is indeed Kevin. Pure class
Van enjoyable game after 60 mins. Hope Wales hold on
He is absolutely on one tonight
Marco Tardelli on the Irish players in the Irish Times. Loads of energy but a weak sense of tactics.....
Dixon, Wright, Bilic and Crouch on the ITV panel.
Pity they can't find some English speaking "pundits"
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Dixon, Wright, Bilic and Crouch on the ITV panel.
Pity they can't find some English speaking "pundits"
Tune in later. The weemin will be on the couch ::)
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It seems that if we do beat Italy, we're almost certainly through.
Before the tournament began 4 points gave a 99% probability of progression. The lowest that dropped to at any stage was 97%. Win and we are through. To play Spain :-\
Think France is a possibility too should we get through. Spain or France would just be the same outcome as the Belgium game unfortunately.
Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Ramsey has been excellent as well
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Ramsey has been excellent as well
Ramsey has been superb. Leaves nothing on the pitch. Great player.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Seriously? I think Payet has been brilliant. Now I didn't see Wales last night, but against England, Bale was almost anonymous apart from the Joe Hart gift.
I'd have said Payet, Iniesta and Modric, at least, have all been way better than Bale.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
The state of the pitches is poor.
Two other signs of crap. 5 of the Swiss jerseys ripped and a ball imploded during the Switzerland France match.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Bale was poor in first two games and decent last night, Russia it has to be said were awful though. In fact overall the standard has not been great, the big guns seem to be in 3rd gear, will wait until the knockout stages to see whats what. A lot of people think Belgium will go well based on the Ireland game, but its a while since I have seen Ireland play so bad, they looked wrecked. Think will end up with a Spain v Portugal & Germany v France semi final which would be two decent games.
Croatia look a decent side from what i have seen of them
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Croatia look a decent side from what i have seen of them
So do Poland
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Had Hart not thrown one in Bale would have been totally anonymous v England. He made two great runs last night but held onto the ball instead of giving it to a player in a better position. Clearly playing with Ronaldo is rubbing off on him.
Player of the tournament so far, from what i have seen, is Payet. The man is in top form.
Have to say ,for me, Jamie Vardy has been a breath of fresh air in the tournament. So rare now to see a forward really hassling and hunting down the defenders (as opposed to throwing shapes). Despite the results so far, I wouldn't like to be playing England if things click for them upfront.
Modric an absolute gem of a player .
Sorry if this has already been asked but just wanted to check – A lad in work told me that Ireland need to beat Italy 4-0 to qualify that 1-0 is no good? Is that correct?
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Sorry if this has already been asked but just wanted to check – A lad in work told me that Ireland need to beat Italy 4-0 to qualify that 1-0 is no good? Is that correct?
Need 1 other result to go our way after Albania winning the last night. Germany beating the North tonight will mean any win over Italy will do. If they don't, think there are another couple of results which would do the same...one being Turkey to win or draw with Czech Republic....forget the other one.
Likely to play France or Spain if we do get 3rd though...
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Nah, I think if Ireland get to 4 points they'll be grand.
Albania only have 3 and are finished. Norn Ireland have 3 and will finish third if Germany beat them and Poland do anything against Ukraine. That would mean a win would be enough straight away.
The Czechs only have 1 point as it stands, but should get to 4 v Turkey, so they'd be ahead of us on GD. Slovakia are ahead of us on 4 points and on GD. You'd need Iceland to beat Hungary for the third place team there to have 4 points.
So.
Group A - Third Place Team = Albania - 3 points.
Group B - Third Place Team = Slovakia - 4 points (GD = 0)
Group C - Third Place Team currently Northern Ireland on 3 points with a game v Germany today. 4th place team has 0 points currently.
Group D - Third Place Team currently Czech Republic on 1 point with a -1 GD. 4th place team has 0 points. 2nd place team has 4 points.
Group E - Ireland's Group. Need a win to get 3rd place, but if Sweden beat Belgium, then potentially even 2nd place.
Group F - Third place team currently Portugal on 2 points. 2nd place team also on 2 points. Leaders on 4 points.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Playing for man u is irrelevant. The huffing is at odds with what a great player does. In times of need tbe greats step up. Ronaldo rarely steps up when his team ate strugglung. Instead he hides, feigns injuries, blames colleagues. The greats have carried their countries to success. Ronaldo never has.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Of course I am LL, look at the way you have reacted. You wont even give him credit for what he did at United, he was a great player there who went on to be a greater player at Real Madrid.
I'm not saying people wont rate him I am saying that those who are biased against him have their view coloured by their anti Unitedness ;)
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Playing for man u is irrelevant. The huffing is at odds with what a great player does. In times of need tbe greats step up. Ronaldo rarely steps up when his team ate strugglung. Instead he hides, feigns injuries, blames colleagues. The greats have carried their countries to success. Ronaldo never has.
Hardly comparable Mike
Look at the teams of the three you have mentioned played in. CR is playing in an infinitely worse team than any of those three at international level.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Of course I am LL, look at the way you have reacted. You wont even give him credit for what he did at United, he was a great player there who went on to be a greater player at Real Madrid.
I'm not saying people wont rate him I am saying that those who are biased against him have their view coloured by their anti Unitedness ;)
I hate United and all her sail in her and I hated Ronaldo when he was there. I hate his moaning, preening and whinging but he is an absolutely fantastic player and is up there with the best. The statistics are there for all to see. A machine!
I don't think he's a sulking primadonna because he played for United, I think he's a sulking primadonna because I think, well, he's a sulking primadonna.
The list of incidents is long and consistent. If it's not about Ronaldo, it's not important to Ronaldo. His stupid celebration when he scored the late peno v Atletico in the CL final a couple of years ago, even though the game was won, dead and buried, was pathetic and 'me, me, me'.
His behaviour at this tournament has been a continuation of a very long trend of stroppiness, sulkiness and self centred behaviour which is the antithesis of what a team sport is supposed to be about. The fact he even said he wished Portugal had a few more Ronaldos is pathetic.
All that said, talent wise he is definitely one of the best we've seen, but the question of leadership does remain and is a fair point. To be fair Messi has never seemed to fill that role for Argentina either, but I would put Messi's team ethic ahead of Ronaldo's by a country mile.
The ability to play for the team, inspire, lead and produce when the team really needs it is a mark of a great player, as much as the ability to score 60 goals in a team that is far better than 90% of the teams you play against. That's why, for me, Maradona is better than either of them, and Pele is too.
But is he, and Messi, an all time great? Yes, probably. They'd certainly be in the top 10 I'd imagine, but Messi would be ahead of Ronaldo for me, for the intangibles as much as for talent.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Of course I am LL, look at the way you have reacted. You wont even give him credit for what he did at United, he was a great player there who went on to be a greater player at Real Madrid.
I'm not saying people wont rate him I am saying that those who are biased against him have their view coloured by their anti Unitedness ;)
I'm not biased against him. In fact I never said what I think of him. His best years have been at Madrid thats a fact not a go at his years at United.
I think its just a typical United fan chip on shoulder attitude you're displaying.
I seriously doubt there are very many people who maybe don't rate Ronaldo as an all time great are doing so becuase he played for Man United once upon a time.
Champions League is much higher standard than International Football. Ronaldo and Messi have excelled at that level. In my eyes Messi is the greatest ever, every game he plays is live on TV, he cannot hide. People never got to see Maradonna's or Pele's or Cruyff's bad games all we ever got see bar the odd World Cup or European final was highlight reels.
But Dinny, they play for the best teams in the CL. If Messi didn't have Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta etc etc would he be the same player? He doesn't have them for Argentina, and isn't. Likewise Ronaldo with Modric, Benzema et al.
I think they are fantastic players, who are exceptional in exceptional teams.
Maradona wasn't in an exceptional Argentina, nor an exceptional Napoli team. He drove those teams on, I'm not sure Madrid or Barca need much driving. And when they are on teams that do need a bit of leadership and carrying, they seem to become mortal.
Ronaldo's attitude really lets him down. He missed a sitter in the last few minutes against iceland yet bemoans iceland's attitude for being defensive when he should have put the game away.
If you compare his attitude to bale it is night and day. Bale lined up a few last night for the striker who's name escapes me and he missed but bale says nothing, continues to work his socks off and gets on with it then ends up scoring.
Ronaldo loses his rag and then he can't do it as per the game the other night.
In my view great footballer but due to attitude not in the league of messi, pele, zidane, maradona etc.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 21, 2016, 02:05:32 PM
But Dinny, they play for the best teams in the CL. If Messi didn't have Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta etc etc would he be the same player? He doesn't have them for Argentina, and isn't. Likewise Ronaldo with Modric, Benzema et al.
I think they are fantastic players, who are exceptional in exceptional teams.
Maradona wasn't in an exceptional Argentina, nor an exceptional Napoli team. He drove those teams on, I'm not sure Madrid or Barca need much driving. And when they are on teams that do need a bit of leadership and carrying, they seem to become mortal.
Maradona-s Arg was better than the one Messi has. Messi can score out of nothing against the top teams. That is what makes him a superstar.
so it is a biased thing then ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 21, 2016, 02:05:32 PM
But Dinny, they play for the best teams in the CL. If Messi didn't have Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta etc etc would he be the same player? He doesn't have them for Argentina, and isn't. Likewise Ronaldo with Modric, Benzema et al.
I think they are fantastic players, who are exceptional in exceptional teams.
Maradona wasn't in an exceptional Argentina, nor an exceptional Napoli team. He drove those teams on, I'm not sure Madrid or Barca need much driving. And when they are on teams that do need a bit of leadership and carrying, they seem to become mortal.
What crap, Barca struggle without Messi he creates as much as he scores, Suarez wouldn't have the haul he had this year if it wasn't for the little genius.
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Bale been the player of the tournament so far, cue more huffing from the tanned one
Am I in the minority in thinking Ronaldo should not be included with the greats like Maradona, Pele Zidane etc?
Yes
Ronaldo deserves his place up there with the best. He suffers;
a) because he played for United
b) because he wines and huffs
Neither of these two things should really impact how he is viewed but they do.
Because he played for United...what a load of bollix.
His best years have been at Madrid. Why would anyone care that he played for United. Are you seriously telling me you believe someone might not rate him because he played for United?
Playing for man u is irrelevant. The huffing is at odds with what a great player does. In times of need tbe greats step up. Ronaldo rarely steps up when his team ate strugglung. Instead he hides, feigns injuries, blames colleagues. The greats have carried their countries to success. Ronaldo never has.
Hardly comparable Mike
Look at the teams of the three you have mentioned played in. CR is playing in an infinitely worse team than any of those three at international level.
Maradona carried Argentina to win 86 and final in 1990. Zidane maybe not in 98 buy defo to final in 06. Ronaldo nor indeed Messi have done it for their countries.
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But Dinny, they play for the best teams in the CL. If Messi didn't have Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta etc etc would he be the same player? He doesn't have them for Argentina, and isn't. Likewise Ronaldo with Modric, Benzema et al.
I think they are fantastic players, who are exceptional in exceptional teams.
Maradona wasn't in an exceptional Argentina, nor an exceptional Napoli team. He drove those teams on, I'm not sure Madrid or Barca need much driving. And when they are on teams that do need a bit of leadership and carrying, they seem to become mortal.
What crap, Barca struggle without Messi he creates as much as he scores, Suarez wouldn't have the haul he had this year if it wasn't for the little genius.
It's not Crap. Messi is brilliant, and I love his attitude. I'd take him all day over Ronaldo. But I'm just making the point that he plays on an exceptional team. You can't just double team Messi, because Suarez, Iniesta, Neymar, will take you apart. It's not a criticism of Messi at all, it's just a fact. And I don't think, therefore, we can say they are better than Maradona because they play well in the CL.
Honestly think Messi and Ronaldo are the best two of all time. Their scoring record is simply amazing.
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Honestly think Messi and Ronaldo are the best two of all time. Their scoring record is simply amazing.
Why don't they do it for thier countries? Yes they may score loads of goals but I think these stats are misleading. Barce and Madrid have the best players in the world. Tv money goes to those at the expense of other teams in Spain making it a turkey shoot. Neymar and Suarez are now knocking in 30 goals a season. In my opinion unless they do it for their countries lile Maradona and Zidane, fat Ronaldo at the World Cup rhen they cannot be up witj the best ever.
Back on topic, I think our best chance of qualifying (of course on the proviso that we beat the Italians) is Germany beating NI now. Come on Germany.
That goalie is in for a busy 90 minutes.
I don't understand this sudden clamour about Bale being player of the tournament. In the first two matches he abhorred free kicks that were really keeper c**k ups and did f**k all else.
Iniesta has been the best player on show by a mile. Again.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 21, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
That goalie is in for a busy 90 minutes.
Couple of top class saves so far.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 21, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Honestly think Messi and Ronaldo are the best two of all time. Their scoring record is simply amazing.
Why don't they do it for thier countries? Yes they may score loads of goals but I think these stats are misleading. Barce and Madrid have the best players in the world. Tv money goes to those at the expense of other teams in Spain making it a turkey shoot. Neymar and Suarez are now knocking in 30 goals a season. In my opinion unless they do it for their countries lile Maradona and Zidane, fat Ronaldo at the World Cup rhen they cannot be up witj the best ever.
Both Messi and Ronaldo have better scoring records for their countries than Maradona had. Sure David Healy was did great for NI but was hardly world class. You play with your club a lot more than you play with your country.
Opposition in the Champions league is at least on a par if not better than the World Cup and it is on every year, not once every 4 years.
If, for example, you put Maradona or Zidane in that Portugal team ahead of Ronaldo I don't think they would have been anywhere near winning a World Cup so I think the criticism is unfair.
It feels strange to support Germany against "N.I." when you're from Antrim.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on June 21, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Honestly think Messi and Ronaldo are the best two of all time. Their scoring record is simply amazing.
Why don't they do it for thier countries? Yes they may score loads of goals but I think these stats are misleading. Barce and Madrid have the best players in the world. Tv money goes to those at the expense of other teams in Spain making it a turkey shoot. Neymar and Suarez are now knocking in 30 goals a season. In my opinion unless they do it for their countries lile Maradona and Zidane, fat Ronaldo at the World Cup rhen they cannot be up witj the best ever.
Both Messi and Ronaldo have better scoring records for their countries than Maradona had. Sure David Healy was did great for NI but was hardly world class. You play with your club a lot more than you play with your country.
Opposition in the Champions league is at least on a par if not better than the World Cup and it is on every year, not once every 4 years.
If, for example, you put Maradona or Zidane in that Portugal team ahead of Ronaldo I don't think they would have been anywhere near winning a World Cup so I think the criticism is unfair.
Ah here. Sticking 6 past San Marino or Bolivia is not the same as being the main reason your country won the World Cup.
The longer this stays at 1-0 the more I can see NI getting a John O'Shea type last minute equaliser.
Quote from: AFS on June 21, 2016, 07:08:53 PM
New system is a failure. Great for the novelty of having a few smaller counties involved, but it's making a mess of the football. It's a nonsense that NI could sit back on a second one nil deficit in three games, content that they're still quite likely to reach the last 16. Need to return to 16 teams, or go the whole hog to 32. This halfway house with 24 teams and 3rd place coming into play is crap.
Why not go to 64 for mathematical perfection? Everyone is special. Even Holland.
Ronaldo ?? FFS hes not even the best Ronaldo ,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2016, 08:58:43 PM
Ronaldo ?? FFS hes not even the best Ronaldo ,
Lol. Winner.
And the winner for worst jersey at the Euros..Spain away
Looks like the six counties are through to the next round, unless the Turks score another two goals.
Quote from: AFS on June 21, 2016, 08:03:27 PM
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Quote from: AFS on June 21, 2016, 07:08:53 PM
New system is a failure. Great for the novelty of having a few smaller counties involved, but it's making a mess of the football. It's a nonsense that NI could sit back on a second one nil deficit in three games, content that they're still quite likely to reach the last 16. Need to return to 16 teams, or go the whole hog to 32. This halfway house with 24 teams and 3rd place coming into play is crap.
Why not go to 64 for mathematical perfection? Everyone is special. Even Holland.
Might run out of countries. Maybe UEFA could invite Australia to take part, though.
Only 53 countries but who cares?
Italy vs Spain next Monday, even more of a reason for Italy to rest players tomorrow.
Quote from: AFS on June 21, 2016, 07:08:53 PM
New system is a failure. Great for the novelty of having a few smaller counties involved, but it's making a mess of the football. It's a nonsense that NI could sit back on a second one nil deficit in three games, content that they're still quite likely to reach the last 16. Need to return to 16 teams, or go the whole hog to 32. This halfway house with 24 teams and 3rd place coming into play is crap.
It does keep teams on their toes wrt their route through the knock outs.
Shame Italy have already won the group. I could see them contriving to lose to us to avoid Spain in the next round if that had still been possible.
David De Gea has had a shocker
Italy, Germany, Spain, France and England all on one side of the draw.
Quote from: Medic on June 21, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
David De Gea has had a shocker
The United fans will be swarming here in a minute
Wales v Norn Irn second round, by my calculations.
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Quote from: Medic on June 21, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
David De Gea has had a shocker
The United fans will be swarming here in a minute
He could do better. I rate him as the best in the world. No doubt.
:-*
Quote from: dec on June 21, 2016, 10:01:52 PM
Italy, Germany, Spain, France and England all on one side of the draw.
Someone mentioned we will play France if we get through..So that means we would also be on that side of the draw...
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Quote from: Medic on June 21, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
David De Gea has had a shocker
The United fans will be swarming here in a minute
He could do better. I rate him as the best in the world. No doubt.
I remember a superb save against Stoke City in the season just gone. He single-handedly ensured United got something from the game.
NI could give Wales a going over. Still don't think Wales are anything special.
Quote from: Medic on June 21, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
David De Gea has had a shocker
Ramos Pique had shockers more than DeGea
Quote from: ballinaman on June 21, 2016, 09:55:14 PM
Italy vs Spain next Monday, even more of a reason for Italy to rest players tomorrow.
It should be a cracking match
Quote from: dec on June 21, 2016, 10:01:52 PM
Italy, Germany, Spain, France and England all on one side of the draw.
Mayo and Cork on the other side.
Spain and England were expected to win their groups.
Great to see Will Grigg grace the knock out stage.
Quote from: AFS on June 21, 2016, 07:08:53 PM
New system is a failure. Great for the novelty of having a few smaller counties involved, but it's making a mess of the football. It's a nonsense that NI could sit back on a second one nil deficit in three games, content that they're still quite likely to reach the last 16. Need to return to 16 teams, or go the whole hog to 32. This halfway house with 24 teams and 3rd place coming into play is crap.
Smaller countries being ROI? As how the qualifiers went ROI would not have got through, and all those fans would have missed out on a great experience... It is what it is, all nations knew how it was going to be
Will Gregg actually get a game yet, if hes so on fire?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2016, 11:21:40 PM
Will Gregg actually get a game yet, if hes so on fire?
I wish someone would put him out.
Why are Croatia wearing blue in all their games and not their traditional red and white checked jerseys?
QuoteWhy are Croatia wearing blue in all their games and not their traditional red and white checked jerseys
Maybe the Czechs lodged a petition of concern?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 21, 2016, 10:14:04 PM
NI could give Wales a going over. Still don't think Wales are anything special.
NI are incapable of giving anyone a going over. Have you actually watched them as they were like traffic cones against the Germans. Wales have 3 or 4 top class players far above anything NI have.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2016, 12:43:36 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 21, 2016, 10:14:04 PM
NI could give Wales a going over. Still don't think Wales are anything special.
NI are incapable of giving anyone a going over. Have you actually watched them as they were like traffic cones against the Germans. Wales have 3 or 4 top class players far above anything NI have.
They have one top class player and three decent players which is more than NI have... That's still not to say NI can't defend for their lives and score from a corner to win the game!
NI have 75pc chance of meeting France and 25pc chance of it being Wales.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2016, 02:00:17 AM
NI have 75pc chance of meeting France and 25pc chance of it being Wales.
So it's Frales then?
Or Wance?
Or Fales
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 22, 2016, 12:11:48 AM
Why are Croatia wearing blue in all their games and not their traditional red and white checked jerseys?
health and safety presumably
En route to Lille, more in hope than expectation
COYBIG
Very few goals so far. NI scored 2. We scored 1. Germany 3. Albania 1.
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
A really bad team, or in a really brutal group. In fairness the Irish group is very difficult because there is no bad team in it really. I think it's more accurate to say if you don't get the result you target, you're in trouble. If you do, you should be fine.
Albania had targetted Romania, and vice versa, I'm sure. Albania got the result and are now in a decent position with a chance if Ireland/Sweden/Portugal/Iceland/Austria don't pass them out.
You know Slovakia targetted Wales, but were lucky that Russia were shit.
Northern Ireland and Ukraine would have been looking at each other, and that went to Northern Ireland.
Turkey and the Czech Republic would have been eying up that game, although I'm sure the Czechs had a bit more ambition than that.
Ireland had Sweden in their sights, and vice versa. Because that game ended in a draw, both teams are under pressure in a tough group.
Austria probably expected to win at least one of the Hungary and Iceland games. Because they blew the Hungary game, they are now up against it v Iceland tonight, but if they win, they are through.
This some of the 3d place teams going through mallarky is a nonsense. Cannot see it lasting into next tournament. Hope the 4th place teams get a certificate.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Very few goals so far. NI scored 2. We scored 1. Germany 3. Albania 1.
That's nothing, N Ireland have lost 66% of their games and are through to the next round! ;)
Which seems mad, but as we are only losing 33.3% of teams this week, it's hardly a statistical anomaly.
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Why they didn't go for 20 teams in 4 groups of 5, I'll never know.
Is likely Norn Iron will lose three out of four games and come home heros. Bizzarre
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Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Very few goals so far. NI scored 2. We scored 1. Germany 3. Albania 1.
That's nothing, N Ireland have lost 66% of their games and are through to the next round! ;)
Which seems mad, but as we are only losing 33.3% of teams this week, it's hardly a statistical anomaly.
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Why they didn't go for 20 teams in 4 groups of 5, I'll never know.
they will never go for an odd number in a group, because they want all teams playing their last game simultaneously to avoid knowing what is needed/the fix.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Very few goals so far. NI scored 2. We scored 1. Germany 3. Albania 1.
That's nothing, N Ireland have lost 66% of their games and are through to the next round! ;)
Which seems mad, but as we are only losing 33.3% of teams this week, it's hardly a statistical anomaly.
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Why they didn't go for 20 teams in 4 groups of 5, I'll never know.
they will never go for an odd number in a group, because they want all teams playing their last game simultaneously to avoid knowing what is needed/the fix.
I don't see how an even number helps. The team that finishes up early will have no choice but to push for an outcome as they can't rely on the last round of fixtures. Kicking off the last two games at once then makes the same scenario as now.
By the way, with 12 pts on offer to each team I'd expect fewer scenarios where a draw would suit both teams, than what happens with the current 9 pt system.
The major drawback for the concept is that last round of fixtures would inevitably see some dead rubbers, as teams who've done no better than gain a draw from their first 3 matches would have nout to play for.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Jaysus seafoid. You need happy pills or something :) Chill, enjoy.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2016, 11:43:08 AM
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Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Very few goals so far. NI scored 2. We scored 1. Germany 3. Albania 1.
That's nothing, N Ireland have lost 66% of their games and are through to the next round! ;)
Which seems mad, but as we are only losing 33.3% of teams this week, it's hardly a statistical anomaly.
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Why they didn't go for 20 teams in 4 groups of 5, I'll never know.
they will never go for an odd number in a group, because they want all teams playing their last game simultaneously to avoid knowing what is needed/the fix.
I don't see how an even number helps. The team that finishes up early will have no choice but to push for an outcome as they can't rely on the last round of fixtures. Kicking off the last two games at once then makes the same scenario as now.
By the way, with 12 pts on offer to each team I'd expect fewer scenarios where a draw would suit both teams, than what happens with the current 9 pt system.
The major drawback for the concept is that last round of fixtures would inevitably see some dead rubbers, as teams who've done no better than gain a draw from their first 3 matches would have nout to play for.
Because in an odd number, one of the teams will be finished with x points, and potentially that team might be lying in second place. The first/third place teams might be playing, and could carve it up between them to knock the others out. Similar to Germany/Austria back in 1982 which basically ended the practice of having teams finish group games at different times. You can still get carve ups, of course, but they are rarer. Hopefully tonight might be one :)
If they were going with an odd team, I'd prefer 8 groups of 3. It'd be very rare for a game to mean nothing in that scenario.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: Canalman on June 22, 2016, 11:30:38 AM
This some of the 3d place teams going through mallarky is a nonsense. Cannot see it lasting into next tournament. Hope the 4th place teams get a certificate.
On the first night of the tournament, BBC were saying that three 0-0 draws could take you into the knock out phase.
As we stand right now, 3 points and a GD of 0 would currently put you second of the teams on 3 points at the moment. Albania are -2, Northern Ireland are 0, but with 2 goals scored, Turkey are -2, so you'd be through.
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
Is likely Norn Iron will lose three out of four games and come home heros. Bizzarre
I thinking winning their qualifying group was a big thing for N.I anything after that was always going to be a bonus
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Jaysus seafoid. You need happy pills or something :) Chill, enjoy.
It is dull.enough so far AZ. Italy Belgium and Spain Croatia were good but an awful lot of boring matches
Mayo being beaten was far more exciting 8)
Quote from: Hound on June 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
What if we beat Italy 3.0 and Sweden beat Belgium 1.0. That would put us 2nd in the group. Who would we play then?
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2016, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
What if we beat Italy 3.0 and Sweden beat Belgium 1.0. That would put us 2nd in the group. Who would we play then?
That's the kind of positive thinking I like to hear!
COYBIG!
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2016, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
What if we beat Italy 3.0 and Sweden beat Belgium 1.0. That would put us 2nd in the group. Who would we play then?
And if your granny had balls...... Is a draw an early flight home?
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2016, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
What if we beat Italy 3.0 and Sweden beat Belgium 1.0. That would put us 2nd in the group. Who would we play then?
The Sepp Blatter XI in jail.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2016, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 22, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
So assuming we beat Italy... :P
It'll be Ireland v France on Sunday at 2pm by the looks of the draw.
Not ideal for those of us going to Croker!
I think there's only one scenario where we could qualify and not play France. That would be if Portugal lose today, then I think we'd be playing Croatia on Saturday at 8pm
...assuming we beat Italy :P
What if we beat Italy 3.0 and Sweden beat Belgium 1.0. That would put us 2nd in the group. Who would we play then?
I like it...the Winner of the Portugal group
Awesome, didnt think of that. Sunday at 8pm for that.
Be Portugal if they win today, otherwise it would be Hungary
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Jaysus seafoid. You need happy pills or something :) Chill, enjoy.
It is dull.enough so far AZ. Italy Belgium and Spain Croatia were good but an awful lot of boring matches
Mayo being beaten was far more exciting 8)
I don't think it's been that dull. I think people like to have something to give out about.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Jaysus seafoid. You need happy pills or something :) Chill, enjoy.
It is dull.enough so far AZ. Italy Belgium and Spain Croatia were good but an awful lot of boring matches
Mayo being beaten was far more exciting 8)
I don't think it's been that dull. I think people like to have something to give out about.
Would agree with that. Just because there haven't been huge goalfests doesn't make it a bad tournament. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the "lesser" teams make the last 4.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 22, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Some boy reporting from Paris on Radio Five Live this morning said you'd have to be a really bad team NOT to qualify for the last 16. :-[
With 24 teams there is a lot of mediocrity
Jaysus seafoid. You need happy pills or something :) Chill, enjoy.
It is dull.enough so far AZ. Italy Belgium and Spain Croatia were good but an awful lot of boring matches
Mayo being beaten was far more exciting 8)
I don't think it's been that dull. I think people like to have something to give out about.
And always someone who has to compare it to GAA...
Quote from: longballin on June 22, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
Is likely Norn Iron will lose three out of four games and come home heros. Bizzarre
Im no OWC fan but no point being hypocritical either. If Ireland would have qualified yesterday with a 1 0 reverse to Germany the country would still be partying. Ireland didnt win any games at Italia 90 and we still see it as one of our greatest ever sporting moments.
Sometimes you just have to be gracious and let them enjoy their moment in the sun.
Quote from: Canalman on June 22, 2016, 11:30:38 AM
This some of the 3d place teams going through mallarky is a nonsense. Cannot see it lasting into next tournament. Hope the 4th place teams get a certificate.
Aha! Is that a memory from the Community Games?
Best of luck to the reserves this evening.
Italy resting a couple.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13511985_10154309196039914_4707299124980320722_n.png?oh=71059c11fb5ce22a4859b9d93b208c93&oe=58060CEE)
As it stands england v iceland. If iceland beat england that would provide great entertainment...
Hungary Portugal the game of the tournament so far. Ronaldo throwing a tantrum.
Aye. He is shite.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
As it stands england v iceland. If iceland beat england that would provide great entertainment...
Remember the Cod Wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars)!
This could end up 6 all. Great stuff.
Quote from: dec on June 22, 2016, 06:21:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
As it stands england v iceland. If iceland beat england that would provide great entertainment...
Remember the Cod Wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars)!
The daily mail will if that game happens...
Any streams for the Ireland game? Can't stomach Tommy f**king Smith again.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 22, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
Any streams for the Ireland game? Can't stomach Tommy f**king Smith again.
How will you know if Ireland have got the ball into the back of the oul onion bag?
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
Jammy cnuts England!
I dunno. Portugal are crap. Iceland could put it up to England.
Come on Ireland - do your northern cousins a favour.
Erin go bragh.
COYBIG.
That lineup ???
Not expecting much after seeing that...
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2016, 06:58:24 PM
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Jammy cnuts England!
I dunno. Portugal are crap. Iceland could put it up to England.
Jaysus in the knockout stage you would want Iceland before Portugal every time...
Come on the Rep you have all of my support!!
Quote from: gawa316 on June 22, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
Come on the Rep you have all of my support!!
Psyching myself up for this games by listening to Foggy Dew and Dublin in the Green :)
Ireland's path to the final.
Beat Italy
Beat France
Beat England
Beat one of Germany/Spain/Italy
Winning the final will be pretty easy after that.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 22, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
Come on the Rep you have all of my support!!
Wales probably cheering for us also hoping they will get yer lot
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Quote from: gawa316 on June 22, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
Come on the Rep you have all of my support!!
Wales probably cheering for us also hoping they will get yer lot
More than likely that's the case although they haven't done that well against us in the past.
Who do Wales play if we don't win?
Quote from: dec on June 22, 2016, 07:23:31 PM
Ireland's path to the final.
Beat Italy
Beat France
Beat England
Beat one of Germany/Spain/Italy
Winning the final will be pretty easy after that.
:)
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
Who do Wales play if we don't win?
Turkey
Edit : A Sweden win will also mean Wales play us in next round.
Quote from: Tonto on June 22, 2016, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
Who do Wales play if we don't win?
Turkey
Edit : A Sweden win will also mean Wales play us in next round.
I knew that but obviously want our southern brothers into the next round, however that may not sit well with the view of us knuckledraggers
Saving Hoolahan for the knockouts?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 22, 2016, 07:45:13 PM
Saving Hoolahan for the knockouts?
I was more thinking the World cup Qualifiers! In Fairness at least we'll have a bench to look to for this game?
Wtf do Ireland have to do to get a penalty in this tournament?
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
Wtf do Ireland have to do to get a penalty in this tournament?
After kicking the Italians up and down the pitch for the first 10 minutes, the ref has decided to give us nothing.
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
Wtf do Ireland have to do to get a penalty in this tournament?
Getting sweet FA from this tunt of a ref.
Reminds me of the Celtic v Juventus game in the champions league in 2013. Juventus got away with murder at set pieces.
Big 2nd half needed. Come on te feck.
You'd worry about the Italians getting into the dressing room and tactically working us out?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2016, 09:03:44 PM
You'd worry about the Italians getting into the dressing room and tactically working us out?
If they need a dressing room to figure us out they might as well quit now. :D
A throw in to us in their half and we manage, just about, to work it back to Randolph who is barely able to clear it.
I think we are trying really hard, but will tire very quickly at this rate of work. We need a goal to defend.
Different italy team this half.
Mcclean doing well this game.
Coleman throws it back into our half again, just for a Randolph hoof!
McCarthy is much better without Whelan.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2016, 09:03:44 PM
You'd worry about the Italians getting into the dressing room and tactically working us out?
If they need a dressing room to figure us out they might as well quit now. :D
Fair enuff! Probably giving Italy's desire to win/draw this to much credit!
The standard of crosses going in has been pityful
Coleman has had a very disappointing tournament but seems exempt from criticism.
He was very poor for everton all year too.
RoI have been impressive. A few bad balls into the box from set pieces when chances could have been created might be the telling thing by the end of this.
The worst thing here is italy are rubbish :-[
Really should be winning this but just not creating enough.
Should run at the Italians in penalty area- could draw a rash foul. Otherwise lack creativity to create a real chance,
Other than score an OG, Italy can't doing anymore for Ireland.
Now might be the time for Hoolahan.
Watching this reminds me of a Ruud Gullit comment years ago. Our strikers are too bollixed to be able to compose themselves for a decent effort, never mind a cool, classy finish. The subs however......
McGeady? And take off a lad who might get on the end of a cross from McGeady.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
McGeady? And take off a lad who might get on the end of a cross from McGeady.
I'm not sure that there is a player that can get on the end of a cross from McGeady.
Not even Jesus could get on a cross from McGeady.
Going home early will come down to drawing against Sweden.... Great effort tonight so far but no real chances.... One shot on target
McGeady is rank.
Really beginning to look like it has slipped away here.
We are out on our feet and can't get the ball back.
A lot of late goals in this tournament though.
Looks like the Italian feckers are trying to score now after letting us have the ball for 80 mins.
Hoolahan the imbecile!
Yeeeeessss!
Come on ta feck!!
Yeeooo.
Great ball from...
Hoolohan
Munya
Hoolohan zero to hero in 60 secs!!
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Yeeooo.
Great ball from...
Hoolohan
He had to redeem himself after not squaring when he was through.
Great cross though.
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Unbelievable!!!!!! Cracking goal after an abysmal miss!! Hold out
Yesssssssssssssssssssss
Yeoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
The Italian Job ;D
Great scenes. The Irish Euro journey continues.
Absolutely brilliant. Great pass after the miss. Takes some balls.
Brady has been great this tournament.
We owe the french too. You never know what could happen now.
Two teams in Ireland
There's only two teams in Ireland
Two teams in Ireeeeland
There's only two teams in Ireland.
holy shit...
Fecking brilliant. Unreal ending, nerves are shot. COYBIG
Unreal ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Arlene Foster @DUPleader 2m2 minutes ago
Well done Rep of Ireland. My goodness what a result!
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
That miss by Hoolahan though. Fcuk me!!!
He's one lucky man heading into the dressing room this eve. It could have been so different!
There will be some amount of fellas ringing their Credit Union in the morning.
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2016, 10:13:59 PM
There will be some amount of fellas ringing their Credit Union in the morning.
Credit cards maxed already!! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
That miss by Hoolahan though. Fcuk me!!!
He's one lucky man heading into the dressing room this eve. It could have been so different!
Made his own good luck.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
That miss by Hoolahan though. Fcuk me!!!
He's one lucky man heading into the dressing room this eve. It could have been so different!
Made his own good luck.
That he did, fair dues!
Nothing more than the players deserved... Absolutely brilliant
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
Here is the Icelandic commentator Gjer Canningarseson on their winner today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQXbhdriWU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQXbhdriWU)
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 22, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
I agree about mccarthy. we had to gamble with mcgeady and wes but it left a massive hole in the middle that they very nearly exploited. Thought both of these subs made a big difference - mc geady gets far too much bad press. He was involved in both the miss and the goal - credit were its due
throw in for both matches in croker moved already - well done GAA
Seemingly that bellend Tony O'Donoghue reckoned that was "the greatest night in Irish history"
Aren't we lucky to be living in interesting times
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Here is the Icelandic commentator Gjer Canningarseson on their winner today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQXbhdriWU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQXbhdriWU)
I sounded the same way when we scored.
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 10:36:00 PM
I've criticised him in the past but McClean had a great game winning dirty ball as they say
So have I, but he was great tonight. Less skill than McGeady but more heart and fight.
I think 442 is the only way for us to play.
Kendrick also had a very good game, particularly the first half.
Brady's goal was amazing because the Italians, the quintessential defenders, had their back 4 in position for the move. Brady ran from deep while they seemed to be looking for strikers. Hoolahan's cross was absolutely perfect, just between the centre-halves, taking them out of it, and enough to entice the keeper to half come for it. Brady never took his eyes off the ball.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 22, 2016, 10:39:21 PM
Seemingly that bellend Tony O'Donoghue reckoned that was "the greatest night in Irish history"
Aren't we lucky to be living in interesting times
That was embarrassing. He said it to Robbie Brady during the interview.
Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 22, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
I agree about mccarthy. we had to gamble with mcgeady and wes but it left a massive hole in the middle that they very nearly exploited. Thought both of these subs made a big difference - mc geady gets far too much bad press. He was involved in both the miss and the goal - credit were its due
I though McGeady was muck. It's a bit of a stretch to say he was involved in the equaliser. His delivery is putrid.
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
They tried to win the match. They won the match.
Lesson to be learned: Try to win matches.
Exactly, play like that and we will give France a game. Play like the Belgium game and it will be a 2 or 3 nil defeat.
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Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 22, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
I agree about mccarthy. we had to gamble with mcgeady and wes but it left a massive hole in the middle that they very nearly exploited. Thought both of these subs made a big difference - mc geady gets far too much bad press. He was involved in both the miss and the goal - credit were its due
I though McGeady was muck. It's a bit of a stretch to say he was involved in the equaliser. His delivery is putrid.
FFS ive just watched it again. He put the challenge in and the defender took a dive which the ref didn't buy. His crosses have never been great but i thought he gave us something when he came on tonight
Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 22, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
I agree about mccarthy. we had to gamble with mcgeady and wes but it left a massive hole in the middle that they very nearly exploited. Thought both of these subs made a big difference - mc geady gets far too much bad press. He was involved in both the miss and the goal - credit were its due
Mccarthy so much better being the holding midfielder. That was a big reason why we beat germany.
Mcgeady gave us something different. I think you're being a bit harsh az but generally he is rubbish though i didn't think so tonight.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 22, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
duffy and keogh were immense and have to start again the next day. thought mccarthy was also much better without whelan beside him. still buzzing.
I agree about mccarthy. we had to gamble with mcgeady and wes but it left a massive hole in the middle that they very nearly exploited. Thought both of these subs made a big difference - mc geady gets far too much bad press. He was involved in both the miss and the goal - credit were its due
I though McGeady was muck. It's a bit of a stretch to say he was involved in the equaliser. His delivery is putrid.
FFS ive just watched it again. He put the challenge in and the defender took a dive which the ref didn't buy. His crosses have never been great but i thought he gave us something when he came on tonight
That was the missed chance. For the equaliser he just made a simple pass in the middle of the field to Holohan. Look at the game again, he was dire.
I'm conscious I sound a bit of a sour bastard. Fair play to all of them. A great night.
In your defense he is usually shit ;D
AZ is right. McGeady gave a lot of ball away cheaply in the last 10 or 15 mins when they were pressing for the goal.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2016, 11:03:27 PM
AZ is right. McGeady gave a lot of ball away cheaply in the last 10 or 15 mins when they were pressing for the goal.
on a night like this its probably best to agree to differ. He's everyone's scapegoat (including mine at times). Took far too much money sitting on the bench in lieu of playing football but i can only think of of one bad cross tonight. He only had a small role in the goal but he did it properly - thats all i can ask for.
Want to talk about poor - how about long. Yes he gets hammered by defenders but he isn't exactly living up to the song
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I thought Coleman was the worst player the free state had on the field.
funny you say that - independent gave him and hendrick 8/10.I thought his 1st touch was awful all night
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Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I thought Coleman was the worst player the free state had on the field.
funny you say that - independent gave him and hendrick 8/10.I thought his 1st touch was awful all night
Agreed. His control was awful and had trouble keeping it down.. other than that he did pretty well. McClean was immense for me, offered so much in defence and attack and you can tell he was running on pure passion with a few hard tackles thrown in. Big Darryl Murphy was great too, great in the air he'd have probably done better than Long in the previous two games given how isolated he was
Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I thought Coleman was the worst player the free state had on the field.
funny you say that - independent gave him and hendrick 8/10.I thought his 1st touch was awful all night
The attempt at the chance that came his way wasn't very clever either. Think of the Turkish goal last night as an example of what to do in that situation. Coleman just hammered it straight at the defender. Didn't look at all comfortable with the ball tonight for some reason.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I thought Coleman was the worst player the free state had on the field.
funny you say that - independent gave him and hendrick 8/10.I thought his 1st touch was awful all night
Agreed. His control was awful and had trouble keeping it down.. other than that he did pretty well. McClean was immense for me, offered so much in defence and attack and you can tell he was running on pure passion with a few hard tackles thrown in. Big Darryl Murphy was great too, great in the air he'd have probably done better than Long in the previous two games given how isolated he was
McClean just loves playing for us. With that passion he has to start next day. Slab gave them plenty of problems particularly in the 1st and had a really good shout for a peno as well. Long is getting battered and getting no protection either - its just not working for him
Any know what shape Walters is in?
Before you get carried that was Italy's unmotivated B team, probably responding to a favour on behalf of Trappatoni.Also I am suspicious about Germany's performance against NI,their finishing was uncharacteristically poor.Wouldnt get too excited,both teams will be sent packing this weekend
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
Before you get carried that was Italy's unmotivated B team, probably responding to a favour on behalf of Trappatoni.Also I am suspicious about Germany's performance against NI,their finishing was uncharacteristically poor.Wouldnt get too excited,both teams will be sent packing this weekend
Yes but we are better than some of the others that have got the last 16 so I'm not one bit bothered about how we got there. In fairness to germany they were trying - I just don't think they are quite good enough this time,
I fancy belgium with De Bryne as player of the tournament. They have hungary now and then Wales/NI. Thats a handy run to the semi
When Coleman fouled straight after the kick-off, was anyone else thinking of Overmars in Dublin?
Have De Bruyne,Muller,Lewandoski in my fantasy team.3 games each played and not a goal between them.
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2016, 11:19:11 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I thought Coleman was the worst player the free state had on the field.
funny you say that - independent gave him and hendrick 8/10.I thought his 1st touch was awful all night
The attempt at the chance that came his way wasn't very clever either. Think of the Turkish goal last night as an example of what to do in that situation. Coleman just hammered it straight at the defender. Didn't look at all comfortable with the ball tonight for some reason.
Because the hype is better then reality. I laugh when people say Bayern Munich are looking for him. Wouldn't get a game for their C team.
Fair play to them tonight- guts and heart won out. By Sunday afternoon at 3.30pm we'll wish we hadn't have got through but credit where it's due. Glad for Hoolohan . He's been Ireland's best player and he'd have been lynched after that Ronny Rosenthal effort tonight.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
Have De Bruyne,Muller,Lewandoski in my fantasy team.3 games each played and not a goal between them.
De bruyne killed us on Saturday and (accordding to reports that ive read) was v good again tonight. Lewandoski has been rank
Quote from: hardstation on June 22, 2016, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
Before you get carried that was Italy's unmotivated B team, probably responding to a favour on behalf of Trappatoni.Also I am suspicious about Germany's performance against NI,their finishing was uncharacteristically poor.Wouldnt get too excited,both teams will be sent packing this weekend
Tbf, both teams are just happy that they are still in the competition. Especially in the free state's case where they looked to be out on their hole before tonight.
Did you seriously think Tony that they'd win?? Its great for the players shop windows and all that its great for the fans home and away to watch games like that.... Certainly gives the nation both noryn and south a spring in their steps... So stick your negativity up your fat ass :-*
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Be a few missing Irishmen tonight....
Have you seen Seany?? Last seen at Italy match
It would be some revenge for Henry to eliminate France in their own tournament..
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2016, 11:58:05 PM
It would be some revenge for Henry to eliminate France in their own tournament..
Pogba v Hendricks?
Be careful what you wish for!
Won't be pretty
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Iceland is the story of the Games. Roughly a Population of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Iceland is the story of the Games. Roughly a Population of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon?
Yes but with a lot more in common. :D
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Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2016, 11:58:05 PM
It would be some revenge for Henry to eliminate France in their own tournament..
Pogba v Hendricks?
Be careful what you wish for!
Won't be pretty
When has an Ireland match been pretty?
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Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Iceland is the story of the Games. Roughly a Population of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon?
Yes but with a lot more in common. :D
It's cold and nobody likes being there??
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2016, 11:29:07 PM
When Coleman fouled straight after the kick-off, was anyone else thinking of Overmars in Dublin?
First thing I thought of!
But a much softer version of it.
Quote from: straightred on June 22, 2016, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2016, 11:03:27 PM
AZ is right. McGeady gave a lot of ball away cheaply in the last 10 or 15 mins when they were pressing for the goal.
on a night like this its probably best to agree to differ. He's everyone's scapegoat (including mine at times). Took far too much money sitting on the bench in lieu of playing football but i can only think of of one bad cross tonight. He only had a small role in the goal but he did it properly - thats all i can ask for.
Want to talk about poor - how about long. Yes he gets hammered by defenders but he isn't exactly living up to the song
Without McGeady's contributions in the qualifiers, this Ireland team would have certainly ended up closer to Gibraltar than Germany. While we huffed ad and puffed with midlands agricultural grace in the first game against Georgia, McGeady pulled that game out of the dead zone with some magic, later in the away game against Germany he was instrumental in setting up the the assist. Somehow he's lost a lot of his game since he joined Everton and when even average player like Ross Wallace could be ahead of him in the pecking order at Sheffield, a player who was not fit to lace his boots when both were at Celtic. maybe it's down to injuries or something.
it was great to see him come on here, his delivery was poor by his standards but you could see the Italians decided to double on him after a few minutes just in case, he still has some of that oomph that troubles defenders.
AZ can go eat offaly :)
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Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Iceland is the story of the Games. Roughly a Population of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon?
Yes but with a lot more in common. :D
It's cold and nobody likes being there??
Yes, but what do the Icelanders have in common?
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AZ is right. McGeady gave a lot of ball away cheaply in the last 10 or 15 mins when they were pressing for the goal.
on a night like this its probably best to agree to differ. He's everyone's scapegoat (including mine at times). Took far too much money sitting on the bench in lieu of playing football but i can only think of of one bad cross tonight. He only had a small role in the goal but he did it properly - thats all i can ask for.
Want to talk about poor - how about long. Yes he gets hammered by defenders but he isn't exactly living up to the song
Without McGeady's contributions in the qualifiers, this Ireland team would have certainly ended up closer to Gibraltar than Germany. While we huffed ad and puffed with midlands agricultural grace in the first game against Georgia, McGeady pulled that game out of the dead zone with some magic, later in the away game against Germany he was instrumental in setting up the the assist. Somehow he's lost a lot of his game since he joined Everton and when even average player like Ross Wallace could be ahead of him in the pecking order at Sheffield, a player who was not fit to lace his boots when both were at Celtic. maybe it's down to injuries or something.
it was great to see him come on here, his delivery was poor by his standards but you could see the Italians decided to double on him after a few minutes just in case, he still has some of that oomph that troubles defenders.
AZ can go eat offaly :)
He was shite
Quote from: clarshack on June 23, 2016, 01:21:42 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2016, 11:29:07 PM
When Coleman fouled straight after the kick-off, was anyone else thinking of Overmars in Dublin?
First thing I thought of!
Yeah, there were a few tasty challenges in the first 5 mins - worked a treat.
Jesus lads, some while negativity in here.
I thought it was a great performance last night and fair play for bouncing back after such a poor one against Belgium.
It was great to see Ireland playing on the front foot and really going for it, hopefully that same mentality is brought into the france game.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 23, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Jesus lads, some while negativity in here.
I thought it was a great performance last night and fair play for bouncing back after such a poor one against Belgium.
It was great to see Ireland playing on the front foot and really going for it, hopefully that same mentality is brought into the france game.
It's the usual attention seeking by the resident gobeen
Jeez last night was incredible. Like a few others I woke the youngest wean when Brady scored and for once the wife didn't give out to me, what a result!
Barring injury, I cant see too many changes for the French game. I'd say there was some amount of club secretary's calling each other trying to get Sunday's throw in times shifted
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Well go on and put your money where your mouth is. And since its its a massive mouth we could only expect a large sum to be wagered, looking forward to seeing your betting slip.
Live for the moment enjoy the result. B team or not Italy were packed with players from the top leagues, Ireland had 5 from the English second flight. COYBIG! Tweet of the night from Shane Lowery "Robbie Brady you absolute ride"...Although from his comments I think Dunphy would want to ride Ws.
Great win.
Particularly delighted for James McCarthy, imo a player very harshly treated by the herd. Great to see him after game with a beaming smile. Motm James McClean by a country mile.
To be brutally honest, the Italians post game didn't look too fussed.
Irish mgt must take alot of credit for last night.
If we won 2-0 some people would be complaining that it wasn't 3-0 but thats their perogative. If you can't enjoy moments like last night then you may give up watching sport becasue its only going you bring you misery time and time again. We got out of a group that was arguably the hardest to be rewarded with a game against the hosts and tournament favourites so we have had no luck with the draw when you compare it to say NI. Last night was brilliant for the country and will be relived for many a year, we are in nothing to lose territory now, everything from here on in is a bonus.
Unfortunate positioning of the advertising...
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Some people North and South getting carried away,reality is they won one match each against Italy's B team and a shite Ukraine team.Iceland and Hungary ten times more impressive than both teams.
Wales evens and France 4/9 this weekend.Absolutely golden chance to add one and a half times your money
Iceland is the story of the Games. Roughly a Population of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon?
Yes but with a lot more in common. :D
Their banks also collapsed
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 23, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
A Season With Betting Scams more like !
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 23, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
Evra looks to be well past his best and that should be the area that Ireland go for. High pressure high tempo game and see where the chips fall. I don't think it suits EPL or players playing in the English or Scottish lower leagues to be playing in games where going for the win isn't paramount. It seems to bring the best out in them when they know that it is win or bust.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 23, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
I was thinking about this today and why Glen Whelan never really gets dropped, when it is obvious McCarthy plays much better without him. I remember a young Roy Keane getting MOM awards whenever Ince was injured. Fergie then sold Ince but in a club team he had a lot more games to observe his players.
In international football, there are very few games to try things and to be certain. So I agree, a centre-midfield of McCarthy & Brady was very brave given the stakes.
And I agree about wingers. As Mike Bassett England Manager said: '4...4...f*kin'...2!'
NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvL4Bzyumg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvL4Bzyumg)
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 23, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
That is an outstanding read - really enjoyable.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 23, 2016, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 23, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
In Italian soccer culture, there is an unwritten rule that in something like a final day of the season, the teams who are safe generally let the relegation battlers win.
Tim Parks gives a good account of it in "A season with Verona" where practically all the bottom 6 or 7 teams recorded unlikely wins on the last day, often with late winners.
The Italians didn't exactly go for it last night, but you have to credit Ireland for perseverance all the same.
Also, the selection last night was brave. More arrogant managers would have stuck with roughly the same team rather than fess up to any previous mis-selections.
There is pressure on France who haven't played well so far. Knock out games make most teams inhibited, so you'd hope Ireland could keep it close and maybe get it to extra time. The French full backs won't enjoy wingers go at them, so there is possibly something there to give the Republic a foothold.
That is an outstanding read - really enjoyable.
+1. Some of those ultras were just lunatics.
Goal of the tournament :o
Neil Lennon looks close enough to kick Shearer in the head in the BBC studio. Revenge would be sweet.
Norn iron look the best team here. I thought wales were much better.
O'neill a very good tactician.
Still think they will be beat mind.
Get in there Wales ;D
:-\
Feel sorry for mcauley but would have went in anyway.
Any arrangements for the Republics welcome home party Monday?
Quote from: Avondhu star on June 25, 2016, 06:42:38 PM
Any arrangements for the Republics welcome home party Monday?
We're still in it. What about Northern Irelands welcome home party.
Can we just go straight to pennos here?
Northern Ireland huge homecoming: :o played 4 lost 3
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 25, 2016, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on June 25, 2016, 06:42:38 PM
Any arrangements for the Republics welcome home party Monday?
We're still in it. What about Northern Irelands welcome home party.
The team are going to claim asylum cos of Brexit.
No justice; Croatia weren't mighty but miles ahead of CR7 & co. At least they tried to win the game. Modric best player at the tournament.
portugal are rotten. can't believe croatia lost to them.
I sometimes wonder why teams don't go out in extra time and really try win it rather than letting the game go to the lottery of penalties. As someone who backed Croatia to win it i wish they did just that now and see how their luck was in the penos ;D
Croatian right full back cost them. Don't know was it tiredness but he was hopeless in extra time and lost the ball for the counter that led to the goal. Rakitic disappointing too. Feel sorry for Modric.
I also expected the Croatians to win but they were rubbish tonight. They played a tactical game waiting for the Portuguese to come at them so they could hit them on the counter attack. The Portuguese had the same idea so we ended up with a stalemate until the late winner.
It's a Belgium/Germany final.
I have to say most of the games have been utter tripe
You don't have to.
I think if neither team scores after ET, they should both go home.
Quote from: beer baron on June 25, 2016, 11:03:52 PM
I sometimes wonder why teams don't go out in extra time and really try win it rather than letting the game go to the lottery of penalties. As someone who backed Croatia to win it i wish they did just that now and see how their luck was in the penos ;D
Look what happened when Croatia finally did decide to go for it in ET.
Ireland only got 5000 tickets. C'est un stitch up.
(https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/747032944930357248/)
Unsurprisingly unchanged.
Captain should have the decency to sing the National anthem.
Some start.
The penalty Ireland didn't get v Italy was more of a penalty that todays but who cares..
French commentator says France are suffering
Serious diving. And not by the French or Sean Cavanagh. Not good.
The midfield is doing well. France under a good bit of pressure.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl4dVySXIAAFKoI.jpg:large)
Payet starting to cause problems. Going to be a long half...
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 03:05:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl4dVySXIAAFKoI.jpg:large)
Great photo of Keane.
Ah feck it! They were under severe pressure there since start of 2nd half.
That French goal was coming poor Irish defending.
That is the most ludicrous corner decision i've ever seen...
Need to get a foot on the ball! Kill the atmosphere!
The 4 day turnaround doesn't help
Ah well.. It's important with a half an hour to go that the Irish die with their boots on.
McClean's first touch there was as bad as I've seen.
Game over.
4 day turnaround
Playing the home nation
Small ticket allocation
Was always going to be a big ask!
It is like watching Atleti Vs Real
Or anyone vs Kilkenny
Duffy should have let Randolph have a go at stopping Griesseman instead of getting himself sent off. No way back now.
Time for Quinn or Big Cas.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 26, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Duffy should have let Randolph have a go at stopping Griesseman instead of getting himself sent off. No way back now.
Griesseman would have scored. He took one for the team. At one goal we are still in it! Just!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2016, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 26, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Duffy should have let Randolph have a go at stopping Griesseman instead of getting himself sent off. No way back now.
Griesseman would have scored. He took one for the team. At one goal we are still in it! Just!
Wouldn't have taken off McCarthy, he was immense. Must have been injured or wrecked. Disappointed with the ball retention this half. Seamus Coleman one of the worst culprits.
Running on empty now so many tired legs and minds out there for the ROI.
poor defending for both France goals, would defenses at the top end of the premier league give them away, i doubt it
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
We had a great tournament and gave it everything. When you consider we had a centre-back partnership from the Championship up against some the the best in Europe it was still a good performance by all.
No shame in todays performance.
There have been some heros and great moments on this journey.
McGeady's two goals to beat Georgia! His late winner was so important!
O'Shea's leveler v Germany away.
Longs Leveler v Poland at home.
Longs dream goal v Germany at home.
Bradys goal away to Bosnia.
Walters double v Bosnia.
Houlihan v Sweden.
Brady v Italy .
To think after the doom and gloom of the draw in the Aviva to Scotland (when we thought we were Really out) in June 2015 we never would have thought we'd be where we were today.
We've improved our Seeding I presume.
FAI have made a few quid. A lot more than 2012.
All Good once the dust settles!
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
He should have been on 10 mins into the 2nd half for Murphy when we couldnt retain possession and invited the French on again and again.
McCarthy shouldn't have been taken off imo
Did Coleman take a man on in any of the 4 games?
Great effort all the same, absolutely brilliant 1st half, just couldn't keep the intensity going. France have some top top players
Randolph is a superb keeper
Fantastic effort from the lads. Beaten by the better team. No shame in that.
Again we performed above ourselves but just don't have players of the same quality as france.
I think we gave france a real eye opener first half and if they go on to do in any way well that first half will have been their kick up the arse.
Duffy did what whe had to do. 3-1 was insurmountable but with 1 in it we hada chance.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2016, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
He should have been on 10 mins into the 2nd half for Murphy when we couldnt retain possession and invited the French on again and again.
McCarthy shouldn't have been taken off imo
Did Coleman take a man on in any of the 4 games?
Great effort all the same, absolutely brilliant 1st half, just couldn't keep the intensity going. France have some top top players
Randolph is a superb keeper
He had a great tournament. Hard to believe he doesn't start in the Premiership.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
We had a great tournament and gave it everything. When you consider we had a centre-back partnership from the Championship up against some the the best in Europe it was still a good performance by all.
Agreed. But Ireland teams have no room for Fancy Dan's. 2-1 down with 10 men, a big man up front would've been better than bringing Hoolahan on.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
We had a great tournament and gave it everything. When you consider we had a centre-back partnership from the Championship up against some the the best in Europe it was still a good performance by all.
Agreed. But Ireland teams have no room for Fancy Dan's. 2-1 down with 10 men, a big man up front would've been better than bringing Hoolahan on.
Was that not Walters?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
We had a great tournament and gave it everything. When you consider we had a centre-back partnership from the Championship up against some the the best in Europe it was still a good performance by all.
Agreed. But Ireland teams have no room for Fancy Dan's. 2-1 down with 10 men, a big man up front would've been better than bringing Hoolahan on.
I am trying really hard to avoid criticising players who have done us so proud. But he was poor today alright.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Hoolahan's a passenger. Might as well have 9 men.
We had a great tournament and gave it everything. When you consider we had a centre-back partnership from the Championship up against some the the best in Europe it was still a good performance by all.
Agreed. But Ireland teams have no room for Fancy Dan's. 2-1 down with 10 men, a big man up front would've been better than bringing Hoolahan on.
I am trying really hard to avoid criticising players who have done us so proud. But he was poor today alright.
Funny how Dunphy won't mention it though. Going on about how we lost because John O'Shea wasn't playing. Yeah right Eammon ::)
Good effort, but very poor defending for that second goal. Christ, you'd get a bollocking in junior soccer for having two men going for the one ball like that, leaving an open path to goal. In the end, we were very lucky it was only 2-1 though.
Whatever about Hoolohan, bringing Walters on was a bad decision. His first touch or lack of led to the break that caused the red card. Bringing McCarthy off instead of Hendrick also a mistake.
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
Dunphy would just wreck your head - i've switched to ITV
Wes did nothing when he came on - nothing. Thats not a criticism but a fact. Would be nice if Dunphy could be as honest. As for Oshea he didn't mention it before the game and then praised the 2 centre halfs at half time. Eammo loves rewriting history
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
if we want to get technical about it their 2nd came from a goal kick that should have been a corner. Do those officials behind the goals do anything ?
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
if we want to get technical about it their 2nd came from a goal kick that should have been a corner. Do those officials behind the goals do anything ?
Yes that was a poor call. In fairness I thought the officials were good overall though.
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
if we want to get technical about it their 2nd came from a goal kick that should have been a corner. Do those officials behind the goals do anything ?
The Ward shot? Were we not 2-1 down at that stage.
We should have brought on a 4th sub, could have gotten the game replayed.
The would have been corner was just before the goal. It whacked rami on the head so wasn't even a slight touch.
Quote from: laoislad on June 26, 2016, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
if we want to get technical about it their 2nd came from a goal kick that should have been a corner. Do those officials behind the goals do anything ?
The Ward shot? Were we not 2-1 down at that stage.
no 1-1
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/35980592
Who was the sexpot beside Delaney, daughter or gold-digga?
Don't think we were nearly as good as some suggest, even in the first half. Only a few sporadic attacks all through the match, even after scoring the peno. Lack of quality at this level badly exposed, but the likes of Randolph, Hendrick, Brady, even astonishingly Steven Ward have performed admirably.
Fair play to O Neill and Keane. They got a lot out of the group. And way better than 2012
Quote from: mouview on June 26, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
Don't think we were nearly as good as some suggest, even in the first half. Only a few sporadic attacks all through the match, even after scoring the peno. Lack of quality at this level badly exposed, but the likes of Randolph, Hendrick, Brady, even astonishingly Steven Ward have performed admirably.
French TV were very impressed by Ireland in the first half, Mo
Quote from: mouview on June 26, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
Don't think we were nearly as good as some suggest, even in the first half. Only a few sporadic attacks all through the match, even after scoring the peno. Lack of quality at this level badly exposed, but the likes of Randolph, Hendrick, Brady, even astonishingly Steven Ward have performed admirably.
Agreed, I was impressed by Ward who I always though of as well below standard. Surprised very few are mentioning McCarthy. He won an incredible amount of tackles and again, without Whelan, he delivered. I'd have taken off Hendrick before him as the former was on a yellow.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Who was the sexpot beside Delaney, daughter or gold-digga?
Not his daughter. 'So, what first attracted you to millionaire John Delaney'.
He's the mentality of an Oligarch.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
Fair play to O Neill and Keane. They got a lot out of the group. And way better than 2012
quality of the tournament in 2012 was better . It had 16 teams. No bum outfits like Sweden there.
Quote from: straightred on June 26, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
McClean's poor touch led to the sending off.
if we want to get technical about it their 2nd came from a goal kick that should have been a corner. Do those officials behind the goals do anything ?
No, nothing. Never seen them make any sort of a call whatsoever.
Quote from: laoislad on June 26, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
We should have brought on a 4th sub, could have gotten the game replayed.
Only a Laois man would think of that!
Switzerland haven't qualified for a quarter final in EC/WC since 1954. Ireland punches above its weight. Last 16 is very respectable.
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 05:39:31 PM
Switzerland haven't qualified for a quarter final in EC/WC since 1954. Ireland punches above its weight. Last 16 is very respectable.
Two teams from Ireland in the last 16. Amazing really.
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
hard work and limited talent
Hungary, Austria , Slovakia etc have the same limited talent issue.
Ireland were well organised this tournament.
Small countries don't win much.
Belgium never won anything. I don't think Portugal did either.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
hard work and limited talent
Hungary, Austria , Slovakia etc have the same limited talent issue.
Ireland were well organised this tournament.
Small countries don't win much.
Belgium never won anything. I don't think Portugal did either.
Greece and Denmark have both won this tournament and Denmark with a similar population to all of Ireland... Think the Czechs maybe won one also... Go out with the right game plan and have a marquee forward (Wales) and you can do well
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
Agree with this. Truth is 4/5 of the Irish players are very poor technically. Duffy an ward are afraid of the ball. Great credit to management to get this far I say with the hand they were dealt.
If Duffy is afraid of the ball O'Shea is allergic to it. Duffy a far better CB already than O'Shea ever was.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2016, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
hard work and limited talent
Hungary, Austria , Slovakia etc have the same limited talent issue.
Ireland were well organised this tournament.
Small countries don't win much.
Belgium never won anything. I don't think Portugal did either.
Greece and Denmark have both won this tournament and Denmark with a similar population to all of Ireland... Think the Czechs maybe won one also... Go out with the right game plan and have a marquee forward (Wales) and you can do well
issue is we dont have a marquee player
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2016, 08:17:11 PM
If Duffy is afraid of the ball O'Shea is allergic to it. Duffy a far better CB already than O'Shea ever was.
Better than o Shea ever was? Let me guess, Duffy has a 3rd cousin from Roscommon. Duffy is an all or nothing ctr half, extremely poor with ball at his feet. He can man mark a man but ask him to think and you are in trouble. He was at fault for 2nd goal. John O shea won numerous medals playing with the best team in England and occasional Europe. He played on a level Duffy could only dream off. You comment above is another really stupid one from you.
Well done to Ireland in this tournament, but.....
......the Ireland squad is getting too old. The likes of Robbie Keane, John O'Se and Shay given are obvious retirements after this tournament, but even Wes Houlihan and Darryl Murphy are 34 and 33 and will be 36 and 35 at the next world cup. They are too old to carry on imho. Jon Walters is 32(34 at the next world cup). McGeady is 30, old for a winger.
The Euros are ok but it is the world cup that really matters. We would need to bring in someone like Anthony Stokes into the squad, he is 27. The group for the world cup qualifiers is challenging but not as bad as it could be. Wales are a one man team. Austria were ranked 10 in the fifa rankings before the Euros, but couldn't make the last 16 in the Euros. Then there is Serbia who recently won the world under 20 championships but couldn't qualify for the Euros. Moldova and Georgia also must be beaten. I think if we avoid injuries to key players we can win this group and qualify.
Enjoyable wee game this...
Edit: that's it over now I guess 2-0, Jaysus there's another 3 now.
Belgium could well reach the final in this current form.
Frickin' Belgians.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2016, 09:38:45 PM
Belgium could well reach the final in this current form.
It makes our performance against them look a little bit better. The Portuguese will meet them in the semis I think, after dispatching Wales in the quarter finals.
Belgium looks like the team to beat. Hungry are no bad team. Strong bench too.
Jesus lads, look where we were last year after not beating Scotland at home.
Yes we have a few retirements but only houlihan and oshea are important players that may retire and neither started today. There have been some outstanding performances out there from Hendrick, Brady and McClean. I also think duffy, keogh, ward, long and randolph have done well. A few starters could do better including Coleman and mccarthy but all in all they can hold their heads high.
Anything after qualification is a bonus. We were playing the hosts ffs.
Well done Ireland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2016, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Hard work and little talent.
We did as well as can be expected for a not-so-serious soccer nation (as in serious players of the game rather than serious bar-stool spectators).
Enjoy the booze and a sing-song. We as a nation and fans probably enjoy the thing more than the eventual winners do.
hard work and limited talent
Hungary, Austria , Slovakia etc have the same limited talent issue.
Ireland were well organised this tournament.
Small countries don't win much.
Belgium never won anything. I don't think Portugal did either.
Greece and Denmark have both won this tournament and Denmark with a similar population to all of Ireland... Think the Czechs maybe won one also... Go out with the right game plan and have a marquee forward (Wales) and you can do well
Belgium came close in 1980, beaten by Germany in final. More or less invented the offside trap in that tournament.. Ironically Ireland had them and France in group for 1982 World Cup qualification, with Holland runners up in 1978 WC.. One of the greatest Irish teams just missed out on qualification on goal diff and some very bad ref decisions.
It's all over now for all Ireland teams. It was a bit more like "candle in the wind" for will Gregg but both teams done as well as could be expected, Now for the olympics for a real crack at success.. But have the fans any money left?
Last 16 round of games very underwhelming. Spain v Italy obviously the exception. Should be done away with in next tournament.
For Ireland, a worrying lack of younger players in the squad for the future. Oldest squad in the Euros I read, 5 years older on average than the English.
Quote from: Canalman on June 27, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Last 16 round of games very underwhelming. Spain v Italy obviously the exception. Should be done away with in next tournament.
For Ireland, a worrying lack of younger players in the squad for the future. Oldest squad in the Euros I read, 5 years older on average than the English.
Underachieved post WC 2002 with the players that were available, there was a conveyor belt of talent of sorts. FAI culpable for the most part. Not a vintage Republic team this year and there seems to be a lack of players coming behind, could be a tough few years ahead.
Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2016, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: Canalman on June 27, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Last 16 round of games very underwhelming. Spain v Italy obviously the exception. Should be done away with in next tournament.
For Ireland, a worrying lack of younger players in the squad for the future. Oldest squad in the Euros I read, 5 years older on average than the English.
Underachieved post WC 2002 with the players that were available, there was a conveyor belt of talent of sorts. FAI culpable for the most part. Not a vintage Republic team this year and there seems to be a lack of players coming behind, could be a tough few years ahead.
Someone always posts something similar after every qualifying campaign or tournament exit.
The next World Cup qualifying group is more than winnable and players will always crop up from somewhere.
I suppose Harry ARthur is one, and that Jack Byrne lad is another possibility. Even if you take the auld lads out of it, you still have the likes of Randolph, Coleman, Ward, Christie, Duffy, Clark, Hendricks, McCarthy, Brady, McLean, Long, Murphy etc etc.
Not Euro16 but I see Messi had a hissy fit after Copa America final and quit international football.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
I suppose Harry ARthur is one, and that Jack Byrne lad is another possibility. Even if you take the auld lads out of it, you still have the likes of Randolph, Coleman, Ward, Christie, Duffy, Clark, Hendricks, McCarthy, Brady, McLean, Long, Murphy etc etc.
what age is Harry Arter?
Made the trip to Lyon was delighted I did. Thought the French were there for the taking but the heat and Wednesday eventually caught up with us in the second half. French have some smashing attacking players but suspect defensively so can't see them winning the whole thing.
Overall more positives than negatives out of the tournament and if we can bring in a couple of more lads we'll still be battling away for the qualification spots for the C group
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 27, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
I suppose Harry ARthur is one, and that Jack Byrne lad is another possibility. Even if you take the auld lads out of it, you still have the likes of Randolph, Coleman, Ward, Christie, Duffy, Clark, Hendricks, McCarthy, Brady, McLean, Long, Murphy etc etc.
what age is Harry Arter?
http://bfy.tw/6TAg
;)
Turns out he is 26
who knew?
Quote from: AQMP on June 27, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
I thought Shane Duffy played quite well in the game and a half he had. I think he was a wee bit unlucky on the red card too. It looked to me like Greizmann stood on Duffy's foot as he (Duffy) went for the ball. Having said that there was a balls up between him and Keogh for the 2nd goal.
The age (and quality) of the squad would be a concern for the future.
It was a stonewall red card, the quintessential red card offence. For the second goal I think Duffy should have held his position and anticipate what might happen instead of hastily leaving his territory to go to the aid of Keogh. Had he done so, he could have cut out the worst that could have resulted from the knock down and kept the game at level score ....... for a few minutes more.
Duffy is a relative newcomer still learning his trade and overall did well.
IT was an awful pity James McClean couldn't find a better ball that time when he skinned the guy. A yard closer to goal would have been a tap in for Murphy, a yard further out would have been a tap in for Long. Instead he passed it to Koscielny. If they had got that, they may have held on for penos.
Quote from: AQMP on June 27, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
I thought Shane Duffy played quite well in the game and a half he had. I think he was a wee bit unlucky on the red card too. It looked to me like Greizmann stood on Duffy's foot as he (Duffy) went for the ball. Having said that there was a balls up between him and Keogh for the 2nd goal.
The age (and quality) of the squad would be a concern for the future.
Awful mistake by Duffy for the second goal though. Like something you'd see from Moreno at Liverpool.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
IT was an awful pity James McClean couldn't find a better ball that time when he skinned the guy. A yard closer to goal would have been a tap in for Murphy, a yard further out would have been a tap in for Long. Instead he passed it to Koscielny. If they had got that, they may have held on for penos.
That's a weakness in McClean, head up and cut it back to Long was the easier ball.
Compare and contrast with Draxler/Gomez in the following game. :(
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Quote from: AQMP on June 27, 2016, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
IT was an awful pity James McClean couldn't find a better ball that time when he skinned the guy. A yard closer to goal would have been a tap in for Murphy, a yard further out would have been a tap in for Long. Instead he passed it to Koscielny. If they had got that, they may have held on for penos.
That's a weakness in McClean, head up and cut it back to Long was the easier ball.
Compare and contrast with Draxler/Gomez in the following game. :(
At least McClean can getting into some threatening positions and usually can hit some some deadly accurate crosses.
About 10 minutes earlier he hit the perfect pass into the box but Murphy didn't get onto it.
It wasn't Long he should have targeted with that next gilt edged opportunity, he just needed to hit it ahead of Murphy, that was the obvious pass. If he looked around for Long he would have been blocked by the defender.
Just immediately after that, he miscontrolled a throw-in from Ward, France pick up the loose ball, counter attack and in the blink of an eye Duffy was red carded. It was a poor 60 seconds for McClean.
The Italian national anthem is 8)
The upside of being knocked out it that I can't wait to see all these lads who were sweeping the rubbish off the streets in France (for the cameras) come home and do the same in their respective towns on a weekly basis. The place will be in great shape.
Will singsongs on trains and buses be the normal now?
The Italians much the better team and should be leading by more DeGea keeping the Spanish in this game.
Spain pass the ball at the same pace as antrim footballers...
That being said I think there might be a sneaky equaliser somewhere here.
Belgium through Italy looking good from Ireland's' group, Germany and Poland from the qualifiers also in the last 8. There is no denying that Ireland get shafted on the draw every time compared to say England who have had a free pass to the QF. Dont believe me, in 88 both Holland and USSR got to the final, 90 England got to the SF, 94 Italy got to the final, 2002 Germany got to the final, 2012 Spain and Italy got to the final. So on that history I would say things are looking good for Belgium and Italy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
Spain pass the ball at the same pace as antrim footballers...
That being said I think there might be a sneaky equaliser somewhere here.
Sometimes the Spaniards just need to shoot and stop trying to walk it into the net
Italy very impressive again only for DeGea they would have won by more however Buffon also showed his class late on with that match winning save. Chelsea are getting a top manager next season.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:34:24 PM
Belgium through Italy looking good from Ireland's' group, Germany and Poland from the qualifiers also in the last 8. There is no denying that Ireland get shafted on the draw every time compared to say England who have had a free pass to the QF. Dont believe me, in 88 both Holland and USSR got to the final, 90 England got to the SF, 94 Italy got to the final, 2002 Germany got to the final, 2012 Spain and Italy got to the final. So on that history I would say things are looking good for Belgium and Italy.
So just to recap during the Euro 2016 campaign Ireland had to play five of the quarter finalists!!!!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2016, 06:54:13 PM
Italy very impressive again only for DeGea they would have won by more however Buffon also showed his class late on with that match winning save. Chelsea are getting a top manager next season.
De Gea was excellent but maybe could have done better for Italy's first goal.
Wearing shocking jerseys that Spain did good enough reason for them to be gone.
Iceland 2 England 1 :o George Hamilton can't contain his excitement.
Joe Hart is officially w**k :o
There's a number of English players who just don't care. They're keen to showcase their skills, but only giving 60%.
The Iceland fans are terrific - maybe even as good as the Irish. Their slow hand clap makes me think of Vikings arriving for a game of rape and pillage - the noise would certainly scare off the local warriors.
Biomechanics analysis of the 2nd Iceland goal:
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lol
I remember football's coming home in London in 96. 30 years of hurt.
now it''s 50 years . Even more mysterious than Kildare.
Quote from: Orior on June 27, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
There's a number of English players who just don't care. They're keen to showcase their skills, but only giving 60%.
The Iceland fans are terrific - maybe even as good as the Irish. Their slow hand clap makes me think of Vikings arriving for a game of rape and pillage - the noise would certainly scare off the local warriors.
Bollocks, they're overrated and not good enough.
England look like a team about to throttle each other. Roy looks a bit scared by what he sees. Maybe they've had a big row in the dressing room over Brexit
this is a very strange game to watch. Sludge looks like he doesn't care, Kane looks knackered, Rooney is off his game but working hard. not sure what Dele Alli is up to at all. As McManaman says- its like they all decided to have the worst game of their life on the same day. there has to be someone on the bench that could grab this by the scruff of the next from England's point of view
There will be a riot in Nice tonight if the result stays 2-1. Rooney and Vardy will join the rioters.
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Oh what a night. England never let u down.
England out of Europe twice in less than a week, you could get used to that lol,
Beaten by a team approx the population of Belfast and Derry city against 57 odd million tuh tuh!! You boys took one hell of a beating lol
Harry kane apparently worth 50million, i wouldn't give him a game in at my moneymore 5 a-side
Iceland amazing. Rashford should have been on way earlier.
Middlesbrough would have beaten England.
In other shock news a soccer team all in blue upsets the odds in 2016 8)
Have a feeling French riot squad will be on red alert
that is an phenomenal result, and completely fair based on the performance.
Why wilshere instead of henderson? Why wait nearly 15 minutes from standing Rashford up to putting him on?
Mr Hodgson has no way back from that. Nor has most of that England team...
The headlines are going to slaughter those players tomorrow.
More proof as to how poor the premier league is now and the majority of the best players in the premier league are foreigners.
Iceland were brilliant. Should have won by more.
£50 million Raheem Sterling ;D ;D
But why are England consistently shite?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 27, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
£50 million Raheem Sterling ;D ;D
Crystal Palace just paid 38m for a Marseille player. The money is insane
Now will people realise it's not out of dislike that people suggest the England players are overrated.
Unlike Brexiteers, English squad will want to stay in Europe.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 10:06:13 PM
But why are England consistently shite?
Spirit! Plain and simple - you won't do well in a tournament without it!
What odds was Iceland to win before tonights win? English players no where near as good as they are hyped up to be but I don't think England were ever to make any impact with Roy Hodgson as manager.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 27, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
What odds was Iceland to win before tonights win? English players no where near as good as they are hyped up to be but I don't think England were ever to make any impact with Roy Hodgson as manager.
They were 8/1 to win tonight so knows what they were to win it out
Quote from: hardstation on June 27, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
At half time and Iceland beating England 2-1, the lads in the ITV studio were discussing whether Joe Hart should start against France.
Brilliant.
;D
"I can't stop thinking about the film SPACEJAM" Ian Wright
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
In Kane, Sturridge, Vardy and Rooney, England might just have the best forward line at the tournament.
No, they really didn't.....
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2016, 10:06:13 PM
But why are England consistently shite?
The better question is why anyone expects them to do better than they do.
England not blessed with a wise old owl. All Hodsgon was ever good for was playing down expectations. No doubts England are poor enough but still should be able to beat Iceland. The money those lads earn should be frozen by the English version of CAB. Stealing a living.
england were obsessed with missing out on the easy side of the draw and then iceland score a late goal meaning england get the weakest team in the last 16 so very fitting that they then get dumped out.the english players arent all bad all of a sudden but it doesnt help when they have to carry passengers like sterling
A lot of the commentary in this championship is how it was expanded to let the weaker teams participate! Wales, Northern ireland, Iceland and Albania all qualified as group winners or runners up and are/were in the competition on merit.
International football is all about organisation and Spirit!
https://youtu.be/lui-6MleVio
i couldn't get that link to work, but its here and its funny...
Hodgson Neville and the team all resigned
Quote from: Boycey on June 22, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
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Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
Jammy cnuts England!
I dunno. Portugal are crap. Iceland could put it up to England.
Jaysus in the knockout stage you would want Iceland before Portugal every time...
Indeed.....
Lads there's a video out there of McClaren on sky sports saying how well England responded to the first Iceland goal and how well they were playing then bang the second goal goes in and the place is like a morgue... Class!!
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Lads there's a video out there of McClaren on sky sports saying how well England responded to the first Iceland goal and how well they were playing then bang the second goal goes in and the place is like a morgue... Class!!
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/uk-world/214696/watch-steve-mcclaren-hails-englands-perfect-response-iceland/?utm_source=Viber&utm_medium=Chat&utm_campaign=Private
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2016, 11:36:58 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Lads there's a video out there of McClaren on sky sports saying how well England responded to the first Iceland goal and how well they were playing then bang the second goal goes in and the place is like a morgue... Class!!
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/uk-world/214696/watch-steve-mcclaren-hails-englands-perfect-response-iceland/?utm_source=Viber&utm_medium=Chat&utm_campaign=Private
Comedy gold!
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2016, 11:36:58 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Lads there's a video out there of McClaren on sky sports saying how well England responded to the first Iceland goal and how well they were playing then bang the second goal goes in and the place is like a morgue... Class!!
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/uk-world/214696/watch-steve-mcclaren-hails-englands-perfect-response-iceland/?utm_source=Viber&utm_medium=Chat&utm_campaign=Private
Tommy Carr in the Sunday game said he couldn't see Westmeath scoring 5 or 6 points in a row to draw level with Kildare. Westmeath responded with a goal and 6 points without reply. Who would be a sports pundit?
Quote from: Orior on June 27, 2016, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 27, 2016, 11:36:58 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 27, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Lads there's a video out there of McClaren on sky sports saying how well England responded to the first Iceland goal and how well they were playing then bang the second goal goes in and the place is like a morgue... Class!!
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/uk-world/214696/watch-steve-mcclaren-hails-englands-perfect-response-iceland/?utm_source=Viber&utm_medium=Chat&utm_campaign=Private
Comedy gold!
Absolutely class
Quote from: heganboy on June 27, 2016, 11:14:04 PM
https://youtu.be/lui-6MleVio
i couldn't get that link to work, but its here and its funny...
Hodgson Neville and the team all resigned
Only 110 or so hits! I suspect that video will be gone tomorrow.
Anyone able to download it?????
Quote from: heganboy on June 27, 2016, 09:57:05 PM
that is an phenomenal result, and completely fair based on the performance.
Why wilshere instead of henderson? Why wait nearly 15 minutes from standing Rashford up to putting him on?
Mr Hodgson has no way back from that. Nor has most of that England team...
The headlines are going to slaughter those players tomorrow.
The lad did more in the five minutes he was on the field than most of the rest of the team.
But, who is really surprised? English failure in tournaments has been going on for decades, with a couple of exceptions: 1996 when they had home advantage and hype; 1990 when a kind draw and a few breaks got them through to the semis. Otherwise, its failure after failure, with the team being shown up technically and tactically. And the only reason anyone passes any remarks on their consistent level as a second round/quarter final team who occasionally reaches a semi is that they invented the game, they have a high profile, extremely rich domestic league, mostly starring non-English players, and they arrogantly don't understand what their level actually is.
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Quote from: heganboy on June 27, 2016, 09:57:05 PM
that is an phenomenal result, and completely fair based on the performance.
Why wilshere instead of henderson? Why wait nearly 15 minutes from standing Rashford up to putting him on?
Mr Hodgson has no way back from that. Nor has most of that England team...
The headlines are going to slaughter those players tomorrow.
The lad did more in the five minutes he was on the field than most of the rest of the team.
But, who is really surprised? English failure in tournaments has been going on for decades, with a couple of exceptions: 1996 when they had home advantage and hype; 1990 when a kind draw and a few breaks got them through to the semis. Otherwise, its failure after failure, with the team being shown up technically and tactically. And the only reason anyone passes any remarks on their consistent level as a second round/quarter final team who occasionally reaches a semi is that they invented the game, they have a high profile, extremely rich domestic league, mostly starring non-English players, and they arrogantly don't understand what their level actually is.
Not true. They drew up a set of rules, and because they had the biggest empire at the time, and ran most of the world, basically everyone had to play by their rules.
Didn't see this posted yet and don't know if it is real but it is classic!!!
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/bbc-broadcaster-goes-on-astonishing-foul-mouthed-rant-after-englands-euro-2016-exit/84837
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jun/28/roy-hodgson-england-iceland
It is of course wrong not to smear the blame around evenly. Hodgson made bad decisions. The loudest boos here were for the moment in the 87th minute when Harry Kane, the Premier League's baffled, haggard golden boot, took another free-kick on the right, blathering it miles into the crowd. It was a very England moment.
Part Hodgson's stubbornness that this absurdity was still happening. But above all a product of the fact England simply don't have any good enough ball-players to take free-kicks.
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Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
Jammy cnuts England!
I dunno. Portugal are crap. Iceland could put it up to England.
Jaysus in the knockout stage you would want Iceland before Portugal every time...
Indeed.....
Same still applies...
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2016, 02:07:45 AM
Quote from: heganboy on June 27, 2016, 09:57:05 PM
that is an phenomenal result, and completely fair based on the performance.
Why wilshere instead of henderson? Why wait nearly 15 minutes from standing Rashford up to putting him on?
Mr Hodgson has no way back from that. Nor has most of that England team...
The headlines are going to slaughter those players tomorrow.
The lad did more in the five minutes he was on the field than most of the rest of the team.
I think Rashford is going to be a fantastic player. I think he's street ahead of the Mondeo that they all rave about.
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Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 11:27:07 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 22, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 22, 2016, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 22, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
Jammy cnuts England!
I dunno. Portugal are crap. Iceland could put it up to England.
Jaysus in the knockout stage you would want Iceland before Portugal every time...
Indeed.....
Same still applies...
It does for me too and I have a result to back up my claim that Iceland was a tougher draw for England than Portugal.
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Note to excitable Irish media outlets; this is what a genuine underdog-overachieving international football minnows result looks like. No gallant defeat / moral victory here, just a tangible one provided by a properly organised team.
Quote from: mouview on June 28, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
Note to excitable Irish media outlets; this is what a genuine underdog-overachieving international football minnows result looks like. No gallant defeat / moral victory here, just a tangible one provided by a properly organised team.
Plus the small matter of drawing a team that shite themselves on the big stage and played their worst game in many many years. Swap Ireland with Iceland and I think we'd have done just as well. Portugal, Hungary and Austria in the group stage followed England in last 16 is a dam sight easier than the draw we were handed.
I would have loved to have seen the Ireland fans join in with the Iceland haka.
The best thing England could do is pick a squad of players from teams at the bottom of the premiership and championship. Nobody on over 20k a week - then they might get a team to try and the supporters to support.
If anybody thinks the boys that played last night really care they are deluded. When Iceland are playing France the England lads will be in exclusive hotels, yachts etc
Quote from: The Trap on June 28, 2016, 10:18:00 AM
The best thing England could do is pick a squad of players from teams at the bottom of the premiership and championship. Nobody on over 20k a week - then they might get a team to try and the supporters to support.
If anybody thinks the boys that played last night really care they are deluded. When Iceland are playing France the England lads will be in exclusive hotels, yachts etc
Agreed. Players like Sterling epitomise this. The guys shite, but because his nationality is English, EPL clubs pay extra when in reality theyre pissing money away. He along with Rooney is the quintessential prima donna. They believe their own hype and when you put 11 of them together with half of them having the mental age of a teenager then of course theyre going to flop
Quote from: hardstation on June 27, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
At half time and Iceland beating England 2-1, the lads in the ITV studio were discussing whether Joe Hart should start against France.
Brilliant.
I can confirm he wont start against France in the QF.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 27, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
At half time and Iceland beating England 2-1, the lads in the ITV studio were discussing whether Joe Hart should start against France.
Brilliant.
I can confirm he wont start against France in the QF.
At least Hart jumped in the direction of the ball.
The England defenders made Iceland look like Barcelona in the build up to that shot. I saw nothing remotely like a tackle.
https://twitter.com/90thMin/status/747553101440245760 (https://twitter.com/90thMin/status/747553101440245760)
Those Welsh boyos ;D
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Quote from: The Trap on June 28, 2016, 10:18:00 AM
The best thing England could do is pick a squad of players from teams at the bottom of the premiership and championship. Nobody on over 20k a week - then they might get a team to try and the supporters to support.
If anybody thinks the boys that played last night really care they are deluded. When Iceland are playing France the England lads will be in exclusive hotels, yachts etc
Agreed. Players like Sterling epitomise this. The guys shite, but because his nationality is English, EPL clubs pay extra when in reality theyre pissing money away. He along with Rooney is the quintessential prima donna. They believe their own hype and when you put 11 of them together with half of them having the mental age of a teenager then of course theyre going to flop
Sterling reminds me of shaun wright Philips. In a few years time he will be half way through a ridiculously lucrative 5 year contract with stoke or Swansea and he will be on the bench. Over paid and talentless he is an athlete but not a footballer and never will be.
Their big problem is a lack of footballing culture - they want to be like Spain, Italy or the Germans but in academies athletes with height, pace and power get selected over footballing ability. So when they reach senior football they dont have the ability or tactical awareness to retain the ball. Would Pirlo, Xavi or Iniesta made it through the English academy system? None would be described as pure athletes. The fact their team wasnt built around Paul Scholes in his pomp says it all.
Wembley and St Georges Park cost in the region of 1 billion between them. Would 10 academies dotted around the country with highly trained coaches not have been better?
Rashford looks to have raw potential but will he get a game next year at Utd? They are paying a done 35 year old who didn't get a kick at Euro 16 £250k a week...........money has ruined the game...........but the people who are creaming it off at the top are laughing at everyone else......maybe not in front of people but behind their backs.........
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England, us and Wales v the All Blacks, Mayo, Kildare, Schalke, St Étienne , Atleti -sports psychology and top level failure . It is fascinating.
Since Euro 2004 Rooney has only scored 3 tournament goals. Even these were 2 tap-ins (Ukraine 2012 & Uruguay 2014) and 1 penalty (last night).
That is simply shocking :o
Also, he has scored more against San Marino than any other team. Says it all.
Quote from: clarshack on June 28, 2016, 12:25:09 PM
Since Euro 2004 Rooney has only scored 3 tournament goals. Even these were 2 tap-ins (Ukraine 2012 & Uruguay 2014) and 1 penalty (last night).
That is simply shocking :o
Also, he has scored more against San Marino than any other team. Says it all.
They haven't went far in the competitions and Rooney hasn't been on form leading up to most competitions he's been involved with to be fair.. England's biggest goal scorer so he's no mug....but has always been poor in the tournaments
Quote from: The Trap on June 28, 2016, 12:12:51 PM
Rashford looks to have raw potential but will he get a game next year at Utd? They are paying a done 35 year old who didn't get a kick at Euro 16 £250k a week...........money has ruined the game...........but the people who are creaming it off at the top are laughing at everyone else......maybe not in front of people but behind their backs.........
Rashford is 18 and isn't going to/shouldn't play 50 odd games for his club next season. If you buy an established striker at 26/27 years of age for big money they have to play? That hampers his development more than signing an experienced striker on a short term deal. Doubly true as United other striking option is only 20 and is still developing too
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Boycey so you are happy with the state of football that Utd give a 35 year old £1m a month after tax!!!!?????
The TV commentary last night referred to the fact that they have only beaten two teams in knock out games at tournaments since 1990 - Denmark (World Cup 2002) and Ecuador (World Cup 2006).
*Doesn't include victory in a penalty shoot out!
West Indian soccer player, John Barnes, said on the wireless this morning that Hodgson just didn't have the players.
Exsqeeze me? Bacon powder? Does he must mean that Iceland have a huge pool of players to pick from?
Did the England fans boo the Icelandic National Anthem?
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
West Indian soccer player, John Barnes, said on the wireless this morning that Hodgson just didn't have the players.
Exsqeeze me? Bacon powder? Does he must mean that Iceland have a huge pool of players to pick from?
Its such a poor excuse, even when they had 10 world class players around 2004 - 2006 they couldn't get past a 1/4 final. They have better players than Italy and look at the performance they gave yesterday. They've had 2 decent managers in the last 20 years and both didn't last more than 2 years.
Rooney was pathetic, the worst captain United will ever had; A joke of a leader, never known a player to have so many excuses made for him.
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This is Iceland's only football field, Laugardalsvöllur. It's covered with snow 11 months of the year.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/30012357 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/30012357)
An FA with a plan same as Belgium.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 28, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/30012357 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/30012357)
An FA with a plan same as Belgium.
Could Ireland ever follow suit? Perhaps joint FAI/IRFU indoor facilities. Not sure if the GAA would want to get on board.
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Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
Quote from: Declan on June 28, 2016, 03:57:10 PM
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Ah come on....dont believe that LOL.
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An FA with a plan same as Belgium.
Could Ireland ever follow suit? Perhaps joint FAI/IRFU indoor facilities. Not sure if the GAA would want to get on board.
We have another issue here, which is player injuries. I have a development panel of u14 footballers. 48 of them. We have had 10 sessions together since February, including games. Out of those 10 sessions I have had 26 players miss at *least* one session due to injury. These injuries are largely muscular injuries or joint injuries. AC joints, Hip flexors, calf strains, hammers, knees etc. it is bananas, and it is not all GAA. i think it behoves all sporting organisations to develop a player welfare approach, even with 'multi discipline' coaching sessions to focus on fitness/agility etc. We need to reduce the load on these players. My squad plays schools hurling, football, soccer, rugby. Club u14 and u16 hurling and football, club soccer, maybe club rugby, county hurling/football.
I will never play or train a player who tells me he has a strain or an injury, but I'm not so sure some of the other codes care that much. I think we need to wake up in this country, and stop pulling the kids in multiple directions. Come up with some sort of out of the box thinking regarding shared coaching.
The GAA in isolation is not doing a terrible job. We try to limit what they play with our age restrictions etc. We in Tipp run football club championships, and then hurling, so we are not playing both at the same time. We have dual players, but we try to manage their load so they are not doing both (I had a 7 week break from Mid March to end of April to allow the hurling to take prominence). They've stopped to allow the footballers get a few weeks together now. We do 1 session a week, max. We stopped training while Feile was on etc etc. But still the other sports mean that no matter what you try and do, it is pissing up a rope if the other sports are doing 2 or 3 nights a week as well. I think the Sports Council need to intervene here and try get us to sit down and look at it from an LTAD perspective, multi discipline, and let the kids grow and develop as kids before we kill them altogether. I think we are walking into a crisis.
And, I meant to say, if we get it right, we should produce a generation of well rounded, athletic and healthy kids, that will benefit soccer, rugby and GAA as they focus on their favourite sports at 17 or 18.
QuoteAh come on....dont believe that LOL.
Kane did say after a match 'it's a good feeling to get the three points' it was a carling cup match.. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Quote from: Declan on June 28, 2016, 04:10:22 PM
QuoteAh come on....dont believe that LOL.
Kane did say after a match 'it's a good feeling to get the three points' it was a carling cup match..
Lol not the brightest is our 'Arry. I loved him trying to wriggle out of a Brexit question the other day. Poor cub likely didnt have a clue what it was about!
Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
and Wales and Iceland are 2 of the other 4
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Quote from: Declan on June 28, 2016, 04:10:22 PM
QuoteAh come on....dont believe that LOL.
Kane did say after a match 'it's a good feeling to get the three points' it was a carling cup match..
Lol not the brightest is our 'Arry. I loved him trying to wriggle out of a Brexit question the other day. Poor cub likely didnt have a clue what it was about!
He is as educated as any
average 22 year old is about Brexit. He's a footballer not a politician. He does not have to have an opinion on Brexit or if he does he does not have to make it known.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 28, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 28, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
All the teams that make it there get nothing easy.... Had Ireland 2 decent players to bring on, they could have at the very least taken it to extra time.... Iceland actually believed in themselves and tactically were better prepared than England
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Ukraine, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was a great qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 28, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
It quite clearly proves that we had one of if not the toughest qualifying group and then finals group. Ireland did well to get to where they did but personally It would be even better if they got a bit further with a spawny draw Wales cough cough, England cough cough oh actually forget about England lol
If anything you should feel sorry for the Scots they are a good team and were unlucky not to have beaten Poland and Germany and would certainly have given a better account of themselves than half a dozen or so teams who qualified
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
To lose only 1-0 against the Germans (based on their current form) who in all tournaments (current world champions) get to the finals or semi's is a cracking result... They do give up results, Poland and Ireland in qualifying but at the business end they very rarely give shock results... N.I were punching above their weight.... Poland are actually a very good team, Germany top class... Wales have same work ethic as Iceland and also have a marquee player... It helps
I think everyone was just happy they got out of the group hence the slightly cringey homecoming but when the dust settles people will look back and think it was a missed opportunity, Wales were pretty poor against them and in general Wales arent anything special. Take Bale out which the North actually did pretty well then they are very very ordinary. I had to laugh post Belgium match everyone was creaming themselves over Wales because they did so well against the Belgians in qualifying and we were so shit however if you tried to tell these same people that wales were crap against Bosnia in qualifying and that we then dumped Bosnia out of the tournament then they wouldnt have any of it
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
You must have watched a different NI v Wales game. Even Chris Coleman said NI were the better team, and it was Wales who had their one and only shot on target in the 58th minute.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 28, 2016, 11:11:33 PM
I think everyone was just happy they got out of the group hence the slightly cringey homecoming but when the dust settles people will look back and think it was a missed opportunity, Wales were pretty poor against them and in general Wales arent anything special. Take Bale out which the North actually did pretty well then they are very very ordinary. I had to laugh post Belgium match everyone was creaming themselves over Wales because they did so well against the Belgians in qualifying and we were so shit however if you tried to tell these same people that wales were crap against Bosnia in qualifying and that we then dumped Bosnia out of the tournament then they wouldnt have any of it
People are getting mixed up with qualifying and actually being in the finals, why people thought Italy would be poor is beyond me... Spain had a nightmare against them... Germany win these things, Belgium have had one good game, not the Ireland match... They could still be caught out, Kompany is a big loss... England, well the only people that think they will do well is the media, the players manager and fans have lost all confidence in they for years.... Wales and Iceland gave given it a boost in terms of something different... Portugal have her the worst team in the 1/4 and were lucky to qualify for the finals, but are no mugs come the finals....
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Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
You must have watched a different NI v Wales game. Even Chris Coleman said NI were the better team, and it was Wales who had their one and only shot on target in the 58th minute.
Er exactly Wales stank! Northern Ireland did a job on Bale great but Northern Ireland themselves still created nothing, one weak shot from Dallas and one shot from Ward? over the bar. Like I say a real missed opportunity but then if you havent been to a finals in 30 years I guess 1 win and 3 defeats is something to celebrate right?
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Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
You must have watched a different NI v Wales game. Even Chris Coleman said NI were the better team, and it was Wales who had their one and only shot on target in the 58th minute.
Er exactly Wales stank! Northern Ireland did a job on Bale great but Northern Ireland themselves still created nothing, one weak shot from Dallas and one shot from Ward? over the bar. Like I say a real missed opportunity but then if you havent been to a finals in 30 years I guess 1 win and 3 defeats is something to celebrate right?
Winning your qualifying group was a huge achievement for sure, while other teams needed playoffs to get there.... Poland and Germany (using your logic) are in 1/4's so not bad then ?? ;D
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 28, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
Of the 8 teams in the 1/4 finals...we had Poland and Germany in qualifying....and Belgium and Italy in our group. Not bad going by our lads...
I mentioned earlier that in this campaign we have played five of the final 8 compare that to the crap England played to get to the same round. I also showed that in the 5 finals we have been in 6 of our group opponents reached the actual final so Belgium and Italy looking good.
I fail to see the point here... These teams are better than Ireland and should progress anyways? Is it a positive to have been in a group with better teams ?? Then say we'd a harder group??
The theme is we got nothing soft at any stage in this competition and still managed to make the best of it!
We're ranked among the 3rd tier of teams in both qualifying and in the tournament itself its hardly rocket science that we'll have to play 2 higher ranked teams???
The point is Ireland draw the teams that actually do well and are on form sure Austria, Romania, Russia, Czech rep and Turkey are all higher ranked than us and yet they were w**k. Group G was great a qualifying group I mean Russia, Austria and Sweden really set the Euros alight lol.
N.I had Germany and Poland in their group, but I wouldn't say they got a tough draw, they'd won their qualifying group and got placed as to what their standings were... you've got 3 games to get into next round, if you find form and get a win and draw you can make things happen.....
there is no guarantee had Ireland got, say Iceland or even England that they would have got to next round... Ireland did brilliantly ... could have done better but are very limited squad wise
That is true although I would have loved to have seen them play that shambolic England team. Im going to be really harsh here but I thought Northern Ireland were disappointing. They had one fantastic game although I still cant work out wtf happened to the Ukraine but they slept walked to defeat against Poland and Wales creating absolutely nothing in those matches and if it wasnt for McGoverns performance of the tournament by a keeper then they would have been spanked by the Germans by 5 or 6. I know they are limited but they seemed a bit more street wise during the qualifying.
You must have watched a different NI v Wales game. Even Chris Coleman said NI were the better team, and it was Wales who had their one and only shot on target in the 58th minute.
Er exactly Wales stank! Northern Ireland did a job on Bale great but Northern Ireland themselves still created nothing, one weak shot from Dallas and one shot from Ward? over the bar. Like I say a real missed opportunity but then if you havent been to a finals in 30 years I guess 1 win and 3 defeats is something to celebrate right?
Winning your qualifying group was a huge achievement for sure, while other teams needed playoffs to get there.... Poland and Germany (using your logic) are in 1/4's so not bad then ?? ;D
No not bad but the draw opened up for them and they didnt grasp the chance so definitely dissapointing. Northern Ireland did have one of the harder groups they lost comfortably to both Poland and Germany but did very well against Ukraine who stank which was a surprise because Ukraine were Ok for large parts of their match against Germany
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
great start for poland, lewandowski off the mark at last.
Tracy Chapman ripping things up here for the Portuguese.
This game has penalties written all over it.
Andy Townsend has some dose of man love for Ronaldo. If Ronaldo fell over his own feet Andy would give him credit for not suing the local French council.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
Genuinely cannot abide the minutes applause, and unfortunately that trend is slowly creeping in at Croke Park too, as with so many other things from soccer.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 30, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
Genuinely cannot abide the minutes applause, and unfortunately that trend is slowly creeping in at Croke Park too, as with so many other things from soccer.
Not wanting to burst your ball but Gaelic football originally came from soccer!
Lol.
I've yet to see Portugal play well and there they are in the semi final...
Quote from: laoislad on June 30, 2016, 10:44:46 PM
Lol.
I've yet to see Portugal play well and there they are in the semi final...
and they've yet to win a match after 90 mins. 5 draws in normal time and they're into a semi final.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 30, 2016, 10:44:46 PM
Lol.
I've yet to see Portugal play well and there they are in the semi final...
and they've yet to win a match after 90 mins. 5 draws in normal time and they're into a semi final.
Because they are a tournament team, they nearly didn't qualify...
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 30, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
Genuinely cannot abide the minutes applause, and unfortunately that trend is slowly creeping in at Croke Park too, as with so many other things from soccer.
Not wanting to burst your ball but Gaelic football originally came from soccer!
Was referring to more recent copying of things such as the "respect" handshake nonsense by the powers that be and those attempts to get the crowd to applaud at a certain point/minute in the game by certain sets of fans (Dubs inevitably).
Despite the fact that I have Portugal in the work sweepstake I am disgusted they've got this far, a very ordinary team aside from himself, and even he hasn't hit the heights in the tournament. Looks like Belgium for the final unless Wales can keep their fairytale going.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 01, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 30, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
Genuinely cannot abide the minutes applause, and unfortunately that trend is slowly creeping in at Croke Park too, as with so many other things from soccer.
Not wanting to burst your ball but Gaelic football originally came from soccer!
Was referring to more recent copying of things such as the "respect" handshake nonsense by the powers that be and those attempts to get the crowd to applaud at a certain point/minute in the game by certain sets of fans (Dubs inevitably).
Despite the fact that I have Portugal in the work sweepstake I am disgusted they've got this far, a very ordinary team aside from himself, and even he hasn't hit the heights in the tournament. Looks like Belgium for the final unless Wales can keep their fairytale going.
Portugal are a handy enough team, their current problem is that Ronaldo is dung and can't score for love, nor money.
Pepe is one good defender, a total knob, but a knob you'd have on your team any day of the week.
Renato Sanches has been their star performer from what I've seen. Looks a great prospect and a good temperament it seems too.
Very hard to want to see a team with Ronaldo and Pepe win.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 01, 2016, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 01, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 30, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 30, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
a minutes applause always seems a strange way to remember people killed in an atrocity but i suppose they have do it to drown out any idiots that want to interrupt a minutes silence. seems weird though.
Genuinely cannot abide the minutes applause, and unfortunately that trend is slowly creeping in at Croke Park too, as with so many other things from soccer.
Not wanting to burst your ball but Gaelic football originally came from soccer!
Was referring to more recent copying of things such as the "respect" handshake nonsense by the powers that be and those attempts to get the crowd to applaud at a certain point/minute in the game by certain sets of fans (Dubs inevitably).
Despite the fact that I have Portugal in the work sweepstake I am disgusted they've got this far, a very ordinary team aside from himself, and even he hasn't hit the heights in the tournament. Looks like Belgium for the final unless Wales can keep their fairytale going.
Portugal are a handy enough team, their current problem is that Ronaldo is dung and can't score for love, nor money.
Pepe is one good defender, a total knob, but a knob you'd have on your team any day of the week.
He scored twice in the last game!
he has been poor though. There definitely were a few chances last night he should have done a lot better with.
If he hits form though you never know what they might do. After years of playing in good teams and doing nothing maybe he'll now be on a poor team and actually do something. (They should have won it the year greece did).
Still they should go out at semi stage.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2016, 09:50:23 AM
he has been poor though. There definitely were a few chances last night he should have done a lot better with.
If he hits form though you never know what they might do. After years of playing in good teams and doing nothing maybe he'll now be on a poor team and actually do something. (They should have won it the year greece did).
Still they should go out at semi stage.
Yeah, he has. I'm only being a smart arse on the comment of he cannot score for love nor money. He's been a pouting, sulking sideshow for most of the tournament. And would somebody ever tell him to stop taking the frees. I know on the law of averages he's bound to score one soon, but to be honest if you gave me 40 consecutive frees or whatever I'm sure I'd score 1 eventually!
Lol yeah i know.
As someone said him and pepe are both hard to like. Ronaldo's attitude particularly in the first game was awful - oh no a team ranked way lower in the world rankings went out to defend against us. Imagine there were defenders in soccer like some of the corner backs in football these days - you'd see some crying out of him. Imagine someone like Ricy on him and the crying he would do...
He didn't have much conviction in some of the stuff he did last night at all though could get better. Whoever portugal play will fancy themselves a lot here.
Nice article from a good journo.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/martin-o-neill-s-words-were-humbling-and-showed-a-touch-of-class-1.2706046
We're heading over to Portugal for a break next Monday, so I was happy that they won last night, but they are very, very hard to like. Pepe is a thug, but in fairness he has been defending well for them by and large.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
We're heading over to Portugal for a break next Monday, so I was happy that they won last night, but they are very, very hard to like. Pepe is a thug, but in fairness he has been defending well for them by and large.
I would love to see them winning it. I don't like Ronaldo but Portugal is a great soccer country and it would give a lift to all the Portuguese in the diaspora
Am I the only one who would love to see Wales stuffed tonight? I can't warm to them at all. That mental celebration when Iceland won was pathetic in my view. Of course I understand the rivalry, and that it was England, but jumping around and celebrating like they'd just won the entire tournment? Crazy stuff.
Then listening to John Hartson this morning on Newstalk, and some of the stuff Gareth Bale has come out with. Come on Belgium. 4-0 will do.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
Am I the only one who would love to see Wales stuffed tonight? I can't warm to them at all. That mental celebration when Iceland won was pathetic in my view. Of course I understand the rivalry, and that it was England, but jumping around and celebrating like they'd just won the entire tournment? Crazy stuff.
Then listening to John Hartson this morning on Newstalk, and some of the stuff Gareth Bale has come out with. Come on Belgium. 4-0 will do.
Yeah they didnt do themselves any favours by that video. They had the chance to prove that they were different to the English and ended up only trying to out do them, for what its is worth I think it will come apart for them tonight.
Not bothered either way but I think if Belgium come together they will be too good for them.
I'd prefer to see Belgium win too. They have a genuinely very good player in Hazard, who is great to watch when in form.
Wales meanwhile have Bale, who is very much overrated, and easy for any manager worth his salt to negate. Bale has been terrible in every single game, and but for some awful goalkeeping might be getting the criticism his performances deserve.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
Am I the only one who would love to see Wales stuffed tonight? I can't warm to them at all. That mental celebration when Iceland won was pathetic in my view. Of course I understand the rivalry, and that it was England, but jumping around and celebrating like they'd just won the entire tournment? Crazy stuff.
Then listening to John Hartson this morning on Newstalk, and some of the stuff Gareth Bale has come out with. Come on Belgium. 4-0 will do.
Do you think the Irish teams reaction to it would have been much different? I don't....
I've no great love for Wales and would like Belgium to go through as they've got better players and offer the tournament more in the longer term..
I quite like Wales and would like to see them win actually...
Not sure they're good enough though. Northern Ireland did well against them but if you have aspirations of beating a top team you should really be walloping northern ireland so I think they'll be beat by a couple.
No harm in the video in my view. That honestly was a ludicrous result and one that a lot of people took great delight in. More due to the media than the players i suspect.
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
Am I the only one who would love to see Wales stuffed tonight? I can't warm to them at all. That mental celebration when Iceland won was pathetic in my view. Of course I understand the rivalry, and that it was England, but jumping around and celebrating like they'd just won the entire tournment? Crazy stuff.
Then listening to John Hartson this morning on Newstalk, and some of the stuff Gareth Bale has come out with. Come on Belgium. 4-0 will do.
Do you think the Irish teams reaction to it would have been much different? I don't....
I've no great love for Wales and would like Belgium to go through as they've got better players and offer the tournament more in the longer term..
I absolutely do think the Irish reaction would have been different. There'd have been laughs and slagging, but jumping around like lunatics and roaring and shouting? I doubt it.
Thought that the video of Wales celebrating Iceland's win over Engalnd was a bit sad! Really sad actually! Was there a bit of bitterness at the defeat to England in the group stages?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
Thought that the video of Wales celebrating Iceland's win over Engalnd was a bit sad! Really sad actually! Was there a bit of bitterness at the defeat to England in the group stages?
Maybe there was or maybe it was because, like most people, we want to see the underdog do well. I'm disappointed they didn't just come out and say honestly why they did it.
Seriously Laoislad? You reckon that it's normal for teams to jump around buck mad when a rival loses? I've never seen or heard tell anything like that. Of course there'd be a rivalry and a 'Yes, delighted them f*cks are out', and even a big laugh or sneer, but jumping around like lunatics? Nah, I'm not believing that. That celebration was like the Leicester players watching the game that won them the title.
It was a bit of craic ffs. Harmless.
Probably exaggerated also as they knew they were being filmed.
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2016, 03:09:16 PM
It was a bit of craic ffs. Harmless.
Probably exaggerated also as they knew they were being filmed.
That's true.
England, the country they all love to hate. Yet when asked do they want to split from them....
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
I quite like Wales and would like to see them win actually...
Not sure they're good enough though. Northern Ireland did well against them but if you have aspirations of beating a top team you should really be walloping northern ireland so I think they'll be beat by a couple.
No harm in the video in my view. That honestly was a ludicrous result and one that a lot of people took great delight in. More due to the media than the players i suspect.
Like Germany?
Quote from: MW on July 01, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
I quite like Wales and would like to see them win actually...
Not sure they're good enough though. Northern Ireland did well against them but if you have aspirations of beating a top team you should really be walloping northern ireland so I think they'll be beat by a couple.
No harm in the video in my view. That honestly was a ludicrous result and one that a lot of people took great delight in. More due to the media than the players i suspect.
Like Germany?
Germany me arse. Sure Ireland bate them :)
If it else happens for the rest of the game there's already been more entertainment than last night...
Best half of football in the tournament so far. Brilliant response to going behind from Wales.
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Great game so far. Belgium don't look great when its put up to them.
Agreed. Half that Belgian team are more interested in their huge club salaries and putting the bank balance in jeopardy than busting a gut for their country. Hazard, obviously a hugely talented footballer, acts the big baby last season for Chelsea and seems to rarely switch it on for his country. It's all about himself and not the team
Hopefully Wales keep at it and get through!
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Great game so far. Belgium don't look great when its put up to them.
A much better performance than the norn iron gsme when they were terrible. Wales need to keep it going but they have a tendency to do an ireland and sit back and if they do that tonight tgey will get beaten
Like i said wales need to be positive otherwise they are in for a long 45 mins
Belgian injury crisis seems to have resulted in the Keystone cops being stuck in central defence.
Ramsay been very good this tournament.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2016, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Great game so far. Belgium don't look great when its put up to them.
Agreed. Half that Belgian team are more interested in their huge club salaries and putting the bank balance in jeopardy than busting a gut for their country. Hazard, obviously a hugely talented footballer, acts the big baby last season for Chelsea and seems to rarely switch it on for his country. It's all about himself and not the team
Hopefully Wales keep at it and get through!
Same as England Re money
Fair play to wales being rewarded for giving it a go something we need to do more often instead of scoring and then try to hang on for dear life
Fair fcuks to Wales they know Belgium are weakened defensively and are exploiting it.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
Ramsay been very good this tournament.
Scandalous that he will miss the biggest game of his career over 2 bookings in 5 games. Way too harsh.
Feck me. Its 3. In fairness they were a bit fortunate with a few penalty shouts which would have changed everything
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 01, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
Ramsay been very good this tournament.
Scandalous that he will miss the biggest game of his career over 2 bookings in 5 games. Way too harsh.
Sore one for Ramsey alright as he has been great. Wales full value and have the Belgians number.. Golden generation my ar$e!
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 01, 2016, 09:45:15 PM
Feck me. Its 3. In fairness they were a bit fortunate with a few penalty shouts which would have changed everything
What goes around comes around.
Belgium are so disappointing. All that talent. At least Armagh don't have the players.
Great stuff by Wales delighted for them and I hope they go on to reach the final at least now. When it came to the crunch Belgium were leaderless.
You'd fancy them against Portugal.
We have Wales in the world cup qualifiers. Wales beat Belgium 3-1 and Belgium beat Ireland 3-0 so Wales should beat us 6-1.
Ramsey big loss. Cards should be cleared after group stages.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 01, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
Ramsey big loss. Cards should be cleared after group stages.
It's a joke that you miss the biggest game of your life for 2 yellows in 5 matches.
Bale v Ronaldo! Pity for Ramsey big loss. England should be ashamed of themselves the players they can pick from, nice one Wales
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 01, 2016, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Great game so far. Belgium don't look great when its put up to them.
A much better performance than the norn iron gsme when they were terrible. Wales need to keep it going but they have a tendency to do an ireland and sit back and if they do that tonight tgey will get beaten
Terrible or N.I managed to contain them and only list out to an og.... Sticks in some peoples throats it seems ;D
Twitter informs me all 3 Welsh scorers are in fact English...
Super performance by Wales, thoroughly deserved their win.
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Twitter informs me all 3 Welsh scorers are in fact English...
Unlike all the other teams in the competition who have 100% home grown players. Some people can't just enjoy the achievement.
Wales will beat Ronaldo.
Well, I still don't like them, but that was seriously impressive. Fair play to them.
Quote from: ned on July 01, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Twitter informs me all 3 Welsh scorers are in fact English...
Unlike all the other teams in the competition who have 100% home grown players. Some people can't just enjoy the achievement.
Jaysus wind your neck in, I just thought it an amusing stat... They certainly celebrated like they were Welsh..
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: ned on July 01, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Twitter informs me all 3 Welsh scorers are in fact English...
Unlike all the other teams in the competition who have 100% home grown players. Some people can't just enjoy the achievement.
Jaysus wind your neck in, I just thought it an amusing stat... They certainly celebrated like they were Welsh..
And all sang their national anthem.
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: ned on July 01, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 01, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
Twitter informs me all 3 Welsh scorers are in fact English...
Unlike all the other teams in the competition who have 100% home grown players. Some people can't just enjoy the achievement.
Jaysus wind your neck in, I just thought it an amusing stat... They certainly celebrated like they were Welsh..
Not having a go at you Boycey. Some people try to drag anything down.
Quote from: vertigonights on July 01, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
Bale v Ronaldo! Pity for Ramsey big loss. England should be ashamed of themselves the players they can pick from, nice one Wales
Surely Bale will have something in his Madrid contract which means he won't be allowed to beat Ronaldo at the Euros.
Wales putting both Irish teams to shame,and delivering utter ignominy to England,achieving by playing attractive football,with a manager with tactical nous,not to mention a great anthem and super fans.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 01, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Quote from: vertigonights on July 01, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
Bale v Ronaldo! Pity for Ramsey big loss. England should be ashamed of themselves the players they can pick from, nice one Wales
Surely Bale will have something in his Madrid contract which means he won't be allowed to beat Ronaldo at the Euros.
I'd lobe to see him absolutely crunch into Ronaldo in the first five mins.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/jul/01/cymru-v-gwlad-belg-yn-fyw
Quote from: T Fearon on July 01, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Wales putting both Irish teams to shame,and delivering utter ignominy to England,achieving by playing attractive football,with a manager with tactical nous,not to mention a great anthem and super fans.
And yet England beat them.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 01, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Wales putting both Irish teams to shame,and delivering utter ignominy to England,achieving by playing attractive football,with a manager with tactical nous,not to mention a great anthem and super fans.
The work they put in on their anthem is really paying off, probably having more of a bearing than Bale is on their progress, great shout Tony.
Gunther for wales has been a massive player. Most of their goals come through the right from his attacks.
I think taht's why ni did so well agaisnt them - as they closed him out.
I also think they should appeal Ramsey's yellow.
Fearon they're hardly putting irish teams to shame. They just have better players and i have to say i was happy with sweden game, italy game and first half france. Only england were put to shame as on paper they probably should be better. Ni played very well and were not shamed on anything either so usual nonsense comment from you.
NI won one match and lost 3 and came home to a party.
Republic drew with lack lustre Sweden,humiliated by fragile Belgium and would not have got anything from Italy's B team if Italy had needed points from this game,and would have been heavily defeated by France had the French taken half their chances.Yet they too are lauded as heroes.
Wales have two outstanding players who the manager integrates into the team system (not easy) and as was seen last night,can defeat bigger nations when these two are not having a great influence on the game.
Do you think either irish team underachieved ? Neither did in the slightest and both had one bad game.
France got a big ahock in the first half against ireland and got a lesson in teamwork and work rate. If they win the tournament, which they might, i think that half will have been their lesson.
Sweden were only deemed lacklustre because they got beat by italy and belgium - two good teams. We played great against them and italy still had to be beat.
Soccer is about third choice or fourth choice sport here so i think we are punching well above our weight considering population and have nothing to be "shamed" by. The teams beating us have players in the top teams in europe.
England on the other hand.
Wales and Iceland over achieved with a decent brand of football.Both Irelands slightly over achieved playing dour unwatchable football
Iceland play an awful brand of football. Long throws and depend on physicality. Ireland mixed it up for a change.
The ireland sweden game, the italy game are the france game were not dour. Ni matches were dour yes. Ireland's qualifying games were poor but not tournament games.
If we could all have one of the fastest and best players in the world to allow us to counter attack swiftly that would be great.
You play to your strengths.
As mrdeeds says iceland are dour as anything so don't know why you say they play good football.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2016, 10:16:37 AM
The ireland sweden game, the italy game are the france game were not dour. Ni matches were dour yes. Ireland's qualifying games were poor but not tournament games.
If we could all have one of the fastest and best players in the world to allow us to counter attack swiftly that would be great.
You play to your strengths.
As mrdeeds says iceland are dour as anything so don't know why you say they play good football.
To stir the shit why else? ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 02, 2016, 07:20:01 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 01, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Wales putting both Irish teams to shame,and delivering utter ignominy to England,achieving by playing attractive football,with a manager with tactical nous,not to mention a great anthem and super fans.
And yet England beat them.
England would win every tournament if they didn't have to play them pesky games with other nations. England beat Wales who beat the number 2 ranked team Belguim. That makes England a shoe in for the World Cup. If only Iceland hadn't beat them!
Nil nil at half time between Germany and Italy. This game could be decided by a defensive error or penalties.
The Italians love a yellow card, one lad already to sit out the semi should they make it and a further 13 on one yellow ;D
The best worst peno shootout ever.!
how many english based players missed penalties? ;D
Buffon should have saved that last penalty. I think that game tonight was the final in all but name and it took sudden death penalties to separate the two.
Giroud looked off side - Just! French TV producer picked dodgy camera angle for replay to hide doubt?
The French showing the English how its done. Iceland fairy tale is over.
The French are like watching Dublin! Hammering teams and getting all their championship games at home! :P
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2016, 08:47:50 PM
The French are like watching Dublin! Hammering teams and getting all their championship games at home! :P
It's time that France was split in two for football purposes.
(Le Pen getting elected should do the trick...)
Listening to Off the ball there. They were talking about the post-Italy celebrations, which involved pizza and beer, and how that can't have been good for recovery from a sports science point of view. O' Neill has been complaining about how unfair the short turnaround was, but much as I'd be in favor of lads being allowed to have a drink generally, when you're playing 2 vital games in 4 days,it is surely not the time.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 04, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Listening to Off the ball there. They were talking about the post-Italy celebrations, which involved pizza and beer, and how that can't have been good for recovery from a sports science point of view. O' Neill has been complaining about how unfair the short turnaround was, but much as I'd be in favor of lads being allowed to have a drink generally, when you're playing 2 vital games in 4 days,it is surely not the time.
Hardly the Irish attitude! Win or lose we're on the booze.
Quote from: Declan on June 28, 2016, 02:54:01 PM
This is Iceland's only football field, Laugardalsvöllur. It's covered with snow 11 months of the year.
Can they not pipe a few hot springs through it?
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 04, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Listening to Off the ball there. They were talking about the post-Italy celebrations, which involved pizza and beer, and how that can't have been good for recovery from a sports science point of view. O' Neill has been complaining about how unfair the short turnaround was, but much as I'd be in favor of lads being allowed to have a drink generally, when you're playing 2 vital games in 4 days,it is surely not the time.
This isn't the Clare hurlers, or your local club senior team. This is just a bunch of World Cup winning amateurs.
Remember reading Niall Quinns book and the thing that struck me the most was the boozing after games and it would not matter a jot that there could be a game 3 or 4 days later.Turned me off the whole thing a little bit.
Not convinced wales will win this one. Ramsey a massive loss. Hope i'm wrong.
Trademark headed goal from Ronaldo. 2-0 now that should be it for Wales.
Portugal are rubbish but ramsey is a huge loss to wales and they look poor without him.
Ramsey has his faults but he's adventurous and tries things around the box. Wales fairly stilted without him.
Disappointing from Wales. Ramsey a huge loss. Carried themselves well. Quality of the delivery into the box is the difference. Going for it.
Portugal are far from a classic team however they are a well organised team that France or Germany will do well to break down in the final. Ronaldo a real ace in the pack that could prove the difference on Sunday night. Great tournament for Wales exceeded expectations.
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Quote from: Asal Mor on July 04, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Listening to Off the ball there. They were talking about the post-Italy celebrations, which involved pizza and beer, and how that can't have been good for recovery from a sports science point of view. O' Neill has been complaining about how unfair the short turnaround was, but much as I'd be in favor of lads being allowed to have a drink generally, when you're playing 2 vital games in 4 days,it is surely not the time.
Hardly the Irish attitude! Win or lose we're on the booze.
I heard it was a Carlsberg promotion as one of the official Ireland sponsors they organised it. There's no way Keane would let them go on a session after a match. As for pizza it seems to be very common with all teams. It's only a snack not a full meal straight after the match.
Back to normal for Wales tonight. A 2-0 defeat to Portugal is more like their level. Ramsey was missed. Portugal still don't look like world beaters but they are in the final and will have a good chance with Ronaldo up front.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 04, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Listening to Off the ball there. They were talking about the post-Italy celebrations, which involved pizza and beer, and how that can't have been good for recovery from a sports science point of view. O' Neill has been complaining about how unfair the short turnaround was, but much as I'd be in favor of lads being allowed to have a drink generally, when you're playing 2 vital games in 4 days,it is surely not the time.
What a load of nonsense. A bottle or two of beer wasn't going to do any harm, they weren't out getting hammered in a niteclub ffs.
Also isn't pizza is a common enough post match meal for players I thought. Wasn't there the whole pizza gate thing years ago after a match between Arsenal and Man United when there was pizza thrown at Whiskey nose?
who is the player of the tournament so far ?
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who is the player of the tournament so far ?
That Will Grigg fella surely.
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who is the player of the tournament so far ?
griezmann or payet for me.
Payet for me
Excellent 1st half, Germans very unlucky to be behind, definite peno though despite what Shearer thinks.
Ramsey was excellent in every game he played in the tournament and prob was my player of the tournament along with Greazman(?) . He was badly missed last night and may well have been the difference.
Could be one of those nights for Germany. Played some great stuff in that half, men and against boys for most of it. A couple of decisions go against them and they could throw the heads.
I'd say that German manager is a mad hooer altogether
Very harsh peno imo.
Have france bought another home tournament some dogey decisions.
Quote from: laoislad on July 07, 2016, 09:00:31 PM
Very harsh peno imo.
PK all day, led with the hand at head height.
Hard to see France losing the final now.
Thought Germany were the better team in the first half. Very soft peno for France then some brutal defending for the second goal.
The last time France were in a final at home Ronaldo was the star for Brazil. This time Ronaldo will be the star for Portugal. I expect a 3-0 win for France again.
Disgusted at the end to see French players and fans stealing the Icelandic football chant!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 07, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
Disgusted at the end to see French players and fans stealing the Icelandic football chant!
Or the Motherwell chant, or the Polish handball team chant :)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665044/The-Viking-war-chant-originated-Scotland-Iceland-s-mighty-clap-celebration-chants-huh-performed-Euro-2016-wins-inspired-Motherwell-fans.html
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Very harsh peno imo.
PK all day, led with the hand at head height.
Handling the ball involves a
deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.
Agreed tyssam5, it was a definite penalty. Silly of him to do it.
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Very harsh peno imo.
PK all day, led with the hand at head height.
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.
True, but in recent years it's interpreted as being deliberate if your arm is in an unnatural position which it was. In the peno I wonder did his assistant behind goals make decision for him as it didn't seem initially he was gonna give it?
Disappointed at the lack of supporter originality. The French crowd will be singing Le fields of Athenry in the final.
Euro 2016 has been an enjoyable watch with Wales,Iceland the highlights. However the overall quality of this tournament has been average to poor and France Portugal reaching the final is proof of this.
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Euro 2016 has been an enjoyable watch with Wales,Iceland the highlights. However the overall quality of this tournament has been average to poor and France Portugal reaching the final is proof of this.
Today's semi was weird. The best team lost and even though I'm 7/8 French, I felt flat at the result.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 07, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
Disgusted at the end to see French players and fans stealing the Icelandic football chant!
Yea, FFS... next they will steal our wonderfully original
Olé, Olé, Olé....
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Disgusted at the end to see French players and fans stealing the Icelandic football chant!
Yea, FFS... next they will steal our wonderfully original Olé, Olé, Olé....
Disgusted?? Very strong ::)
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Disgusted at the end to see French players and fans stealing the Icelandic football chant!
Yea, FFS... next they will steal our wonderfully original Olé, Olé, Olé....
Disgusted?? Very strong ::)
Lol
I know RTE and the Indo tear the arse out of how great the Irish fans are but I was talking to 2 French people who were raving about how sound they are compared to the English.
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Very harsh peno imo.
PK all day, led with the hand at head height.
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.
It's not a simple question, was it deliberate or not deliberate
The definition of 'deliberate hand ball' is also up for interpretation and there are criteria, both written and unwritten, which assist the ref in deciding what makes a hand ball deliberate.
This was interpreted as a penalty and Schweinsteiger's antics trying to defend just support the ref's interpretation of the handball.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9b5bb860316828151b42bd432bba08fbe3bd220c/0_80_5184_3111/master/5184.jpg?w=700&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=27e63ca8106c026e323a18f46527ece3)
It was a definite penalty. Not sure why Schweinsteiger was even on the pitch, he was finished years ago.
He was probably the best player in first half. Made Pogba look ordinary.
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He was probably the best player in first half. Made Pogba look ordinary.
Agreed
I disagree. Schweinsteiger has been rubbish for years. Doesn't have the legs any more.
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He was probably the best player in first half. Made Pogba look ordinary.
Agreed
He looked like the old Bastian in the 1st half, but maybe it was easy to look good in the middle of Germany's first half performance. France upped their game and controlled the 2nd half with ease and he was found wanting. I think France must easily be the fittest team at these Finals, that use to be Germany's forte, but no longer.
France have the best players, and they're at home. Not sure why so many have been surprised by their success.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 10, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
France have the best players, and they're at home. Not sure why so many have been surprised by their success.
Who's surprised??
Quite a few people gave them no chance against Germany.
I would have thought the game was 50/50 and the backing only had France barely in front, again not too many poor bookies
France bookies favourite before tournament start. Went double with Giroud. Hopefully he bangs in hatrick.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 10, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
France bookies favourite before tournament start. Went double with Giroud. Hopefully he bangs in hatrick.
Hope not, I've Greizman 9/1!!
He was 22s at start. Giroud was 33s. Was torn between the two.
I fired 100 on France at 4/1. Also had Nani each way top scorer but looks like Griezmann has that wrapped up.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 10, 2016, 06:37:44 PM
He was 22s at start. Giroud was 33s. Was torn between the two.
For the double? Id watched him in a few games for his club and had couple quid on him few times, so thought stick with him.... Going for Giroud to score first tonight
The Moth-er of all matches tonight.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 07, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
The last time France were in a final at home Ronaldo was the star for Brazil. This time Ronaldo will be the star for Portugal. I expect a 3-0 win for France again.
A little bit of history repeating itself. A bad night for Ronaldo. This time they had the sense to take him off early.
Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Quote from: maigheo on July 10, 2016, 08:31:30 PM
Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Why risk making an injury worse ?
Almost as bad as the Connacht final this
Black card for Mario.
On what planet is Pogba worth 100 million?
The longer this goes on without France scoring the more you could see Portugal nicking it.
This has been a day of poor matches. Portugal on penalties anyone??
Sissoko has had a stunning game
Quote from: heganboy on July 10, 2016, 09:47:44 PM
Sissoko has had a stunning game
To think he will be playing against the likes of Burton Albion in a few weeks time!
Thats what happens when you don't want to play Burton Albion next season.
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
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Sissoko has had a stunning game
To think he will be playing against the likes of Burton Albion in a few weeks time!
Rafa won't be encouraging those forward runs! !
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
Ronaldo wanted the final to be all about him. The only way that was going to happen was be crying off injured. Should never be considered one of the greats.
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
Ronaldo wanted the final to be all about him. The only way that was going to happen was be crying off injured. Should never be considered one of the greats.
Add much as i dislike him he has every right to be considered one of the "Tier 2" greats. His record is incredible. But he will never be in the mix with Pele,Diego and Messi in the GOAT debate.
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
Ronaldo wanted the final to be all about him. The only way that was going to happen was be crying off injured. Should never be considered one of the greats.
Add much as i dislike him he has every right to be considered one of the "Tier 2" greats. His record is incredible. But he will never be in the mix with Pele,Diego and Messi in the GOAT debate.
Why not ?
He's not even the best Ronaldo of all time.
Quote from: laoislad on July 10, 2016, 09:26:35 PM
The longer this goes on without France scoring the more you could see Portugal nicking it.
Yep.
France were terrible. Portugal deserving winners
Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Not too many heading to their captain
Has a team ever before won a major tournament by only winning one game?!
Delighted for Portugal. For all the migrant workers
Guardian
90+3 min Nothing is happening. Portugal should theoretically be more tired, as this is their third period of extra-time. If France lose this on penalties, they will forever regret their lack of urgency.
Well done Portugal.
France get their come-uppance for Terry Henry being a big cheating bastard.
Free before goal a dodgy handball decision. Pepe is a horrible cnut but what a game.
Surely Ronaldo will lift the trophy with no shirt on?
Quote from: laoislad on July 10, 2016, 10:35:32 PM
Has a team ever before won a major tournament by only winning one game?!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
Quote from: mikehunt on July 10, 2016, 10:33:16 PM
Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Pepe is a knob but he is a great defender. Not many, if any, better players about.
Good enough for that p***k Deschamps. French captain Blanc missed the 1998 World Cup final due to suspension but the wee arsehole took all the glory and lifted the cup himself and never included Blanc at any stage.
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
Ronaldo wanted the final to be all about him. The only way that was going to happen was be crying off injured. Should never be considered one of the greats.
Add much as i dislike him he has every right to be considered one of the "Tier 2" greats. His record is incredible. But he will never be in the mix with Pele,Diego and Messi in the GOAT debate.
Why not ?
Because in my opinion he's not as good as the three I mentioned. Much like Zidane, Ronaldo1, Ronaldinho, Maldini et al. Great footballers but not quite as good as others. There may be other players like Cruyff who I did nt see play enough to comment on who could be included. But not Ronaldo.
Personally I rate him as the 3rd best I've seen play over an entire career behind Messi and Zizou and on a part with Ronaldinho. Maradona and Pele are always included in the GOAT conversation. Only my opinion of course.
Well done to Portugal pay back for 2004. No outstanding international team at the moment the world cup should be wide open.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
WTF? France were in the Euro final, and you think they thought they just had to turn up? How in under fcuk did you come to that conclusion?
Green and Red ribbons on a Major trophy after many years of hurt. Could this be an omen?
Lots of teams beat their bogey teams. Italy beat Spain. Germany beat Italy. France beat Germany Portugal beat France
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2016, 10:52:33 PM
Green and Red ribbons on a Major trophy after many years of hurt. Could this be an omen?
Er, nope.
Why did Deschamps take Payet off? Was he injured?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2016, 10:52:33 PM
Green and Red ribbons on a Major trophy after many years of hurt. Could this be an omen?
Yes and our best player is not that popular with other fans.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
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Tough on Ronaldo but looks a little foolish needing a stretcher.
Hard to feel any sympathy for him. Great player but a petulant, arrogant bollox and his attitude towards his teammates is a disgrace at times. Thank God for Messi!!
Ronaldo wanted the final to be all about him. The only way that was going to happen was be crying off injured. Should never be considered one of the greats.
Add much as i dislike him he has every right to be considered one of the "Tier 2" greats. His record is incredible. But he will never be in the mix with Pele,Diego and Messi in the GOAT debate.
Why not ?
Because in my opinion he's not as good as the three I mentioned. Much like Zidane, Ronaldo1, Ronaldinho, Maldini et al. Great footballers but not quite as good as others. There may be other players like Cruyff who I did nt see play enough to comment on who could be included. But not Ronaldo.
Personally I rate him as the 3rd best I've seen play over an entire career behind Messi and Zizou and on a part with Ronaldinho. Maradona and Pele are always included in the GOAT conversation. Only my opinion of course.
no matter what you think of ronaldo as a person, the stats speak for themselves. him and messi are on a par and have to go alongside maradona as the best ever.
No they don't. Ronaldo is nowhere near as good as Maradona was.
Johnny Giles last hurrah.
Quote from: laoislad on July 10, 2016, 11:11:53 PM
Johnny Giles last hurrah.
Yeah, great Irish football man - Legend!
But it was time to go!
Was time to go but got bit of dust in my eyes there.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 10, 2016, 11:13:30 PM
Was time to go but got bit of dust in my eyes there.
Yeah me too, or maybe it was a moth.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 10, 2016, 11:13:30 PM
Was time to go but got bit of dust in my eyes there.
Absolutely, eyes were watery! He is a legend and you are always sad when a legend moves aside!
Who is going to replace Giles? Sadlier? Jim Beglin?
I like Hamann. Maybe get Kilbane from TV3 for Irelanf games. But I'd say Sadlier at the top table now.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 10, 2016, 11:06:13 PM
No they don't. Ronaldo is nowhere near as good as Maradona was.
nowhere near as good??? ronaldo imo is 1 of the best players to have ever played the game. in my lifetime id have maradona no.1 and messi and ronaldo as a close 2nd.
What age are half you lads? don't ever compare Ronaldo to Maradona, like i said previously hes not even the best Ronaldo!!
Maradona was something else, in an era where defenders could and did cut u in two, best player i ever saw (didn't see Pele, etc) and he was way ahead of Zidane and Messi
Granted not every team in La Liga are all that hot but Ronaldo has a 1.22 goal per game average. That's f**king astonishing in any era. He may not have the skills of Maradona or Zidane nut he left United and re-tooled himself as a goal - scoring machine. On that basis he sits at the top table.
I laugh at the comparisons between Maradona and ronaldo.
Come back to me when ronaldo wins the world cup with a fair enough but not great side. When he wins the biggest title in Europe (Serie A was huge back in the day) with a decent side. Guessing napoli would be on a par with athletico maybe? Finally, scored the greatest goal I ever seen.
Ronaldo is a great player but absolutely not in diegos league
Quote from: laoislad on July 10, 2016, 10:35:32 PM
Has a team ever before won a major tournament by only winning one game?!
You're not counting ET wins as wins?
Quote from: The Stallion on July 10, 2016, 11:06:13 PM
No they don't. Ronaldo is nowhere near as good as Maradona was.
I'm stunned!
I agree completely with The Stallion. ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2016, 11:50:03 PM
Granted not every team in La Liga are all that hot but Ronaldo has a 1.22 goal per game average. That's f**king astonishing in any era. He may not have the skills of Maradona or Zidane nut he left United and re-tooled himself as a goal - scoring machine. On that basis he sits at the top table.
Ronaldo is an all time great, but he is not even the best of his own era.
And neither him nor Messi dominate a football pitch in the manner of Michael Jordan on a basketball court. Maradona did.
Won a World Cup almost single-handedly (christ, his personal highlights alone from just the 86 World Cup belong on any all time great soccer moments list - off the top of my head, the England goal, the Belgium goal, the pass to Burruchaga to win the final). Took a poor Argentina team to runners-up in 1990. And Ronaldo, the diving fairy, NEVER had to put up with a fraction of the dirt and thuggery that Maradona did on the pitch.
And people often tend to play down or dismiss Pele these days, as relatively few lived through his career and he never left Brazil until late (ignoring that most players back then stayed in their own leagues, meaning there were no super leagues like La Liga or the Premier League or Serie A).
The thing that always sticks out for me, besides the famous examples of outrageous skill e.g. that goal he flicked up over the defender and volleyed home in the 58 World Cup; letting the ball through his legs to dummy and go around the keeper in 1970; the perfectly weighted lay-off to Carlos Alberto, was something I read years ago from Bobby Moore.
This was from some soccer annual I inherited from a cousin when it was already 15-20 years old, but Moore spoke about playing against Pele in that famous game in 1970 when Gordan Banks made the wonder save. He said Pele went to go past him and the ball seemed to richochet off Moore's leg, back into Pele's path. He thought "you jammy b**tard!". It was only after Pele did it another two or three times that Moore realized that Pele was intentionally playing the ball off Moore's legs and feet to get past him! I've never heard before or since of any player anywhere doing anything like that. How good was Pele, that he could do that to Bobby Moore, one of the greatest English center backs ever?
And also, Zagallo, the Brazil manager in 1970, talked about his value to the team by basically saying: "if you ask me who my best forward is, I'd have to say Pele; if you ask me who my best midfielder is, I'd have to say Pele; if you ask me who my best defender is, I'd have to say Pele; if you ask me who my best goalkeeper is, I'd probably have to say Pele".
That is about a player in what is widely recognized as the greatest international side ever assembled.
What does that say about how good a player was?
Best? There was only one Best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCPf7zzI8Yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCPf7zzI8Yc)
Eder is some player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyIrnK0ep5U
He looked very different in 1982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9KMhX4lzo
Pretty sure Ronnie was thinking 'take that you Argententian dwarf' at the final whistle. Some story.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
Quote from: Syferus on July 11, 2016, 07:25:08 AM
Pretty sure Ronnie was thinking 'take that you Argententian dwarf' at the final whistle. Some story.
I really doubt he was.
I don't really like Ronaldo but I wouldn't begrudge him or Portugal this victory. As for Messi the so called rivalry is more a product of the press.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
I think Ronaldo was moved to humility at the end when he saw that his team had played better without him ..... not!
Had you going there for a minute, eh?
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
That is just conjecture on your part, you cannot say that would have been the case.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
That is just conjecture on your part, you cannot say that would have been the case.
Would Ronaldo play on every team in the Euro's? Course he would
Fair play to him and to Portugal, they dug in after he went off and played together. Also to be fair to CR was good to see him actually try to play on after the knock he got.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
Errrrr Ronaldo is in the best "European player" in the world end of story. He would be the first player on the team sheet for every team in the Euros.
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Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
Errrrr Ronaldo is in the best "European player" in the world end of story. He would be the first player on the team sheet for every team in the Euros.
He wouldn't get on the current Liverpool team
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2016, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: mikehungt on July 10, 2016, 10:33:16 PM
Great team performance by Portugal. Wouldn't have happened with Ronaldo on the pitch.
Ok mystic meg
France thought they just had to show up.... Portugal have played crap bar one game and to be honest haven't really been troubled at the back...
Ronaldo has achieved a serious amount of trophies in his career, only one missing from all the main ones about
Goal scorer would not have come on if Ronaldo stayed on. Ronaldo doing a John Terry.
Ronaldo did start the game and was captain?
If Terry and Ronaldo had played the full match their team's would probably have lost .
You do understand Terry was banned for the champions league final and could not play ::)
My point is that Captain Fantastic for Portugal and Chelsea may not be as fantastic as they think they are. In fact, their respective teams were better off without them. Both were oblivious to this as they went to lift a trophy that, had they played the full match would have been won by the opposition.
Errrrr Ronaldo is in the best "European player" in the world end of story. He would be the first player on the team sheet for every team in the Euros.
Doubt he'd get on the Iceland team.
Having given Nani the armband so early and having made no contribution to the win, the least Ronaldo should have done was lifted the trophy with Nani. But no, that that to be all about me too.
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Having given Nani the armband so early and having made no contribution to the win, the least Ronaldo should have done was lifted the trophy with Nani. But no, that that to be all about me too.
Don't be stupid, the captain lifts the cup, he's the captain all year, all during the qualifications he contributed to getting to the finals, and if he hadn't have scored goals in this tournament they would not have qualified for the final!!
Some people cant see past their own hatred.... seen he gave all his earnings for appearing for Portugal (£800,000) to charity (likewise the England team did also, but would not have been as much as they are shit)
Maybe if he'd relinquished the free kick duties which he clearly doesn't have the ability to warrant taking, Portugal might have had a smoother path to the final. The one free kick they got once he cried off injured hit the crossbar whereas his efforts throughout the tournament were frankly pathetic.
Unfortunately it seems his massive ego prevented him from putting the team first.
Any of you recall a journalist/photographer a short while back who had tripped a refugee who had a son, well CR after that well published event went out of his way and had the two taken to Portugal where he ensured both were looked after in terms of accommodation and work
CR charitable activities gives proper insight to his character rather than the pantomime that football is
Publicity stunts can't mask the quite obvious fact the man is a narcissistic egomaniac who isn't nearly as good at football as he thinks he is.
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Publicity stunts can't mask the quite obvious fact the man is a narcissistic egomaniac who isn't nearly as good at football as he thinks he is.
He can be that and also charitable.
The fact that he chooses to support Palestinians through various means doesn't always sit well with those in the media.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 13, 2016, 04:26:55 PM
Publicity stunts can't mask the quite obvious fact the man is a narcissistic egomaniac who isn't nearly as good at football as he thinks he is.
Maybe, but probably better at football than you think he is
I have never really been a fan of Ronaldo, but he is such a good footballer, which only a fool would deny. His record at Real is superb and if he hadn't been playing in the era of Messi he would be acclaimed as the greatest of his generation. I was happy to see him win the Euro's with Portugal and I hope Messi can achieve success with Argentina (assuming he comes out of retirement.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 13, 2016, 04:14:05 PM
Maybe if he'd relinquished the free kick duties which he clearly doesn't have the ability to warrant taking, Portugal might have had a smoother path to the final. The one free kick they got once he cried off injured hit the crossbar whereas his efforts throughout the tournament were frankly pathetic.
Unfortunately it seems his massive ego prevented him from putting the team first.
They won you numpty!! You also have to accept his goals (headers, shots, tap ins and free kicks) got them to the finals and his 2 goals got them past the groups stages... now you can assume this and assume that but the reality is without him in their team they would not be the Euro champs
Anyway when do the World cup qualifiers start?
They may well have been Champions without Ronaldo. They certainly played better without him than with him. He wasn't even their best performer in the Euros.
They would not have won the tournament without ronaldo. They probably even wouldn't have been there.
Not a fan of the guy but he's an exceptional player. He had a poor tournament by his standards but was still very effective.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 14, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
They may well have been Champions without Ronaldo. They certainly played better without him than with him. He wasn't even their best performer in the Euros.
Im starting to get the feeling you don't like/rate ronaldo. :P
The whole Ronaldo thing amuses me. I watched the final in my local the other night and a normally sensible man in his 50s went berserk when Ronaldo went off claiming Ronnie knew Portugal were gonna get beat and he didn't want to be involved in it ;D
As football fans we can give our support to racists, cannibals, boys who let their country down, ended other fellas careers, shagged their brothers Mrs etc etc but a disproportionate amount of people seem to dislike Ronaldo for the heinous crime of quite liking himself. History will look back well on Ronnie and f**k the begrudgers...
I don't think he's very good. Sorry if that upsets anyone, just my opinion.
I dislike the hoor as much as anyone for the simple reason that he's just one of those people who gets me goat.
But he's a brilliant player. His movement in and around the box is torturous at international level. He's always looking for that inch ahead of his marker. He's like a Gary Lineker on speed. As a young'un he was a speed merchant on the wing. Now he can hit the ball with force on target regularly whereas other international footballers will just blast the yoke in the general direction of the goal posts. His heading is excellent. For a 31 year old his performance levels are remarkable. He won that tournament for Portugal, especially the game against Hungary. That point was crucial.
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I don't think he's very good. Sorry if that upsets anyone, just my opinion.
But your opinion on football is flawed...
Quote from: The Stallion on July 14, 2016, 10:46:09 PM
I don't think he's very good. Sorry if that upsets anyone, just my opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion, sure some people are still of the opinion that the world is flat. Your opinion doesn't have to be right, it's just what you think. It's hard to argue with the stats though.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 14, 2016, 10:46:09 PM
I don't think he's very good. Sorry if that upsets anyone, just my opinion.
Tell me who is good then, to your exacting standards?