Big game for Mayo.Game comes one game early than expected .Should be very interesting
Saturday, you say?
I go with Mayo in this one, but truth is they have been untested and Donegal are not what they were last year. I say Mayo have come forward and Donegal has went bck
Mayowr have a great chance of making the Final once again.
Having a difficult time putting our six forwards down on paper.
Is Mickey Conroy fit. If he is then
McLaughlin. O Connor. Feeney
Moran Freeman. Conroy (varley).
Alan dillon not fit for 70 mins
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
Saturday, you say?
now that I come to think of it I assumed it would be on saturday with the Dubs playing on Sunday
My guess ia a mayo v donegal Monaghan v Tyrone double header
Quote from: joemamas on July 27, 2013, 09:48:07 PM
My guess ia a mayo v donegal Monaghan v Tyrone double header
Probably correct, with all of them shouting like mad for Donegal against us...
Brilliant draw for us. Shit or get off the pot. Lets go.
Hell no, u all gang up on tyrone, damn right too!1
I have a feeling Mayo will win this one.
Although a tough draw - I reckon it is the perfect one for them.
Quote from: joemamas on July 27, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Having a difficult time putting our six forwards down on paper.
Is Mickey Conroy fit. If he is then
McLaughlin. O Connor. Feeney
Moran Freeman. Conroy (varley).
Alan dillon not fit for 70 mins
Dillon to start in the corner.....what are the bets Big Barry to show up in there too at some stage.....dying for this now....bring it on!
Aodh Máirtín says Sunday 4th August at 4-00pm in Croke Park.
Cavan v Kerry on first.
Confirmed for 4pm on Sunday
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Mayowr have a great chance of making the Final once again.
As do Donegal. When was the last the AI Champions go into quarter final as underdogs?
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Mayowr have a great chance of making the Final once again.
As do Donegal. When was the last the AI Champions go into quarter final as underdogs?
Donegal got the worst draw possible. The best way to beat Donegal is to out-Donegal them, so to speak. Mayo do what Donegal do better than they are doing it themselves this year. Donegal would have probably have fancied a Dublin team that is predicated on attacking football and would either have to alter itself significantly to play them or be rail-roaded, or a Kerry team they know very well that they can beat, more than Mayo.
Jimmy got in a bit of a scrap on the sideline this evening and I doubt this draw has made his mood any better.
Good nite Mayo i'm afraid. Donegal will push on and retain Sam from here.
Quote from: joemamas on July 27, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Having a difficult time putting our six forwards down on paper.
Is Mickey Conroy fit. If he is then
McLaughlin. O Connor. Feeney
Moran Freeman. Conroy (varley).
Alan dillon not fit for 70 mins
Since we don't know what is happening in training it's hard to predict the lineout. But I expect James H to make the least possible number of changes over the last day.
I can't see him leaving Dillon off.
Going by last Sunday, Mickey C isn't ready for active service yet and a knockout game against the AI champs wouldn't be the best way to find out if he is fit or not.
I think we can nick it although it's far from ideal
Mayo can win this. Donegal are far from the team of last year.
Major chinks in their armour. The invincibility is no longer there. Even mc Guinness and Gallagher letting it get to them on sideline.
Mayo to progress !
Very tough draw for Donegal. I just can't see how the injuries and knocks we are carrying will be cleared up by 4pm next Sunday. In fact I know they won't be. Unless Mayo have a serious off day, I'd expect a 4-5 point win for them.
Excellent draw for Mayo and for Donegal! Both were probably planning this encounter one later, but its here now. Mayo did well against Donegal in the league. I expect the same approach again this Sun. A O'Shea is going to be targeted for real rough treatment in the middle as well as Freeman & O,Connor up front. O'Shea has been great . His strength and ability to break through tactics is fantastic. Although I like to see more options for him to play the ball too when he does that but being not afraid to take his chances as well he can do. On the other side I expect Mayo will try and rattle McHugh if he makes it back. I hope the ref watches out for this and cuts it out (from both teams). McGuinness complaining about physical treatment they were receiving, makes me laugh when you see how they double check key opposition players off the ball. Win at all cost! No doubt in my mind, to beat Donegal this is the very least you need to bring to them.
So for Mayo to win they need to continue avoiding turnover in the middle third, this is vital as well as getting clean fast ball into full forward line. When Mayo moved the ball from defence to attack, Donegal system applies four men running diagonally from centre to the wings. Last All Ireland, Dillon & a lesser degree McLoughlin got isolate a number of times with this. Hopefully this won't happen on Sun.
Freeman has been the centre of much debate on these forums from us Mayo lads. I believed that the Galway match would make or break his inter county career this year. Now this match may well determine if he is up for an all star or not! I'm a fan & with him on form he is bringing a new aspect to our attack. He probably be marked by McGee & A/n (possible third player) and this will bring a new challenge to him. Mayo will need scores from him.
Ive taken liberties with a few players being named but I'm not expecting many surprises from the teams. Its going to be very interesting to see if Donegal find there form from last year. Aside from when they played Tyrone they have looked beatable. McGuinness did target that game, and planned well. He also knew from a long way out they would be meeting Mayo. What plan has he in store for us? ..... What plan can he have? Given that Mayo supposedly being untested so far! Its a little ironic this concern for Mayo going into Croke Park may possible put them on the front foot!!!!
Finally, and to finish my ramblings, the only bad thing being drawn against Donegal is that it will really bring down Mayo scoring stats & possibly goal scoring chances too (tongue & cheek) lol ... This is the match up of the season so far :-)
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Mayowr have a great chance of making the Final once again.
As do Donegal. When was the last the AI Champions go into quarter final as underdogs?
Donegal got the worst draw possible. The best way to beat Donegal is to out-Donegal them, so to speak. Mayo do what Donegal do better than they are doing it themselves this year. Donegal would have probably have fancied a Dublin team that is predicated on attacking football and would either have to alter itself significantly to play them or be rail-roaded, or a Kerry team they know very well that they can beat, more than Mayo.
I agree 100% with this. Would have preferred Kerry or Dublin.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Well that's why I am worrying...
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Worried me hole. Can't wait
Quote from: ballinaman on July 28, 2013, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Worried me hole. Can't wait
Haha, good man. That's the attitude ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2013, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Well that's why I am worrying...
Mayo have not been in a battle for a reason! If they are good enough, they are good enough. Hard or Soft games are journalists way of making stories out of teams.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 28, 2013, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
For all Donegal's injuries and questionable form Mayo haven't been in a contest (never mind a battle) this year. I would be very worried if I was a Mayo fan.
Worried me hole. Can't wait
Well said, Ballinaman.
I would love nothing more than a Mayo win (and hopefully a loss the next day out v Tyrone ;)) my uncle is a massive Mayo fan so I have seen first hand how much psychological damage he has indured over the last decade. However, no matter what sport, it is extremely difficult to raise your game to the very limit with no challenges beforehand. Maybe Donegal are the team were this factor will be diminished as your lads will run through walls after losing the AI final last year.
Will Keane be likely to start? Wasn't he the fella that had a horrid time in last years final?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2013, 12:22:04 PM
I would love nothing more than a Mayo win (and hopefully a loss the next day out v Tyrone ;)) my uncle is a massive Mayo fan so I have seen first hand how much psychological damage he has indured over the last decade. However, no matter what sport, it is extremely difficult to raise your game to the very limit with no challenges beforehand. Maybe Donegal are the team were this factor will be diminished as your lads will run through walls after losing the AI final last year.
Will Keane be likely to start? Wasn't he the fella that had a horrid time in last years final?
Keane very unlikely to start - has fallen out of favour since the AIF. Hard on him because he's a fine player, but got badly caught a few times.
Mind you, Chris Barrett, who seems to be front-runner for the corner-back position, is a small player and has been caught himself a few times - Dublin in the league a couple of years ago for example, but I think he was full-back that day.
Donegal were seen as near unbeatable and then had an off day v Monaghan.
Mayo lost an all Ireland final last year in ten min as per and against Donegal too.
Mayo have won the weakest provincial championship since and had a very average league campaign which ended up with Dublin blowing us away in semi final and exposing our fb line again.
We will look like little boys again against the manly murphy and mcfadden.
Why on earth there is such optimism is beyond reason, i can't fathom it anyway.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
Donegal were seen as near unbeatable and then had an off day v Monaghan.
Mayo lost an all Ireland final last year in ten min as per and against Donegal too.
Mayo have won the weakest provincial championship since and had a very average league campaign which ended up with Dublin blowing us away in semi final and exposing our fb line again.
We will look like little boys again against the manly murphy and mcfadden.
Why on earth there is such optimism is beyond reason, i can't fathom it anyway.
The reason for optimism is that we beat Galway handsomely in our first game. The National media rate Galway football and seen this beating and gave it a higher standing that it should have got. This has fed down to the fans and the general public. We will see how things go. Donegal are a good side. But not invincible. Their mantle has taken a knock and beating Laois meant nothing other than getting to the Quarter finals. They are still a wounded animal. It's a game that will probably make or break this team/group (Mayo).
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
Donegal were seen as near unbeatable and then had an off day v Monaghan.
Mayo lost an all Ireland final last year in ten min as per and against Donegal too.
Mayo have won the weakest provincial championship since and had a very average league campaign which ended up with Dublin blowing us away in semi final and exposing our fb line again.
We will look like little boys again against the manly murphy and mcfadden.
Why on earth there is such optimism is beyond reason, i can't fathom it anyway.
The reason for optimism is that we beat Galway handsomely in our first game. The National media rate Galway football and seen this beating and gave it a higher standing that it should have got. This has fed down to the fans and the general public. We will see how things go. Donegal are a good side. But not invincible. Their mantle has taken a knock and beating Laois meant nothing other than getting to the Quarter finals. They are still a wounded animal. It's a game that will probably make or break this team/group (Mayo).
A lot of questions to be answered about both teams yet. Mayo haven't had a meaningful challenge wheras Donegal have had three tough games which believe it or not has reulted in 4 concussions!!!
Like a lot of games the QF will be most likely be decided by a hop of the ball one way or the other or a moment of brilliance or stupidity.
Both teams were planning for their high profile matches in May against traditional next door aristocrats.
Both games went according to plan and both dominated while impressing.
Both knew there would be a likely meeting with last year's AIF opponent in August.
With a minor detour, and only a few weeks early, both teams will arrive in Croke Park in August facing long anticipated opponents.
This is a new game. It offers Donegal a chance to prove they are where they want to be, in Croke Park at the business end of the season with serious intentions. What has gone before won't matter. For Mayo it offers a chance of redemption, less than 12 months after another AIF loss. It gives them a chance to show that they too are serious about this end of the season.
From a Mayo viewpoint David Clarke kept us in the match last September and will be a loss. But Aiden O'Shea is much fitter this time round and Andy Moran should be coming to the boil nicely. Does that close the gap from last year? Hopefully, but you never know. Such is the beauty of the knockout, on the day, all or nothing games we all die for.
How many of Mayo team that started the All Ireland final will start this game?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
How many of Mayo team that started the All Ireland final will start this game?
Players from AI 2012 in bold unlikely to play and replacements
Mayo:
1
David Clarke - Probably Hennelly
2
Kevin Keane - Probably Cunniffe
3 Ger Cafferkey
4 Keith Higgins
5 Lee Keegan
6 Donal Vaughan
7 Colm Boyle
8
Barry Moran Probably S O'Shea
9 Aidan O'Shea
10 Kevin McLoughlin
11
Jason Doherty Probably - Feeney
12 Alan Dillon
13
Enda Varley Probably - A Moran
14 Cillian O'Connor
15
Michael Conroy Probably Freeman
I think all bar Hennelly would be improvement, Freeman if he can be the genuine 14 he's threatened to be this season would have more influence on the game than Conroy does.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2013, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
How many of Mayo team that started the All Ireland final will start this game?
Players from AI 2012 in bold unlikely to play and replacements
Mayo:
1 David Clarke - Probably Hennelly
2 Kevin Keane - Probably Cunniffe
3 Ger Cafferkey
4 Keith Higgins
5 Lee Keegan
6 Donal Vaughan
7 Colm Boyle
8 Barry Moran Probably S O'Shea
9 Aidan O'Shea
10 Kevin McLoughlin
11 Jason Doherty Probably - Feeney
12 Alan Dillon
13 Enda Varley Probably - A Moran
14 Cillian O'Connor
15 Michael Conroy Probably Freeman
Cunniffe,Andy Moran should make the side stronger not sure about Feeney,Freeman,S O'Shea,Hennelly.
In my opinion this game is going to define our season. If we win then the team is going to gain huge belief and momentum. If we loose it will be a major set back and a long way to come back for next year.
I only brought myself to watch the final a few weeks ago and after the first 15mins we dominated the game. And if we notched over a few of those easy scores at the start of the second half..............
The lads should not be lacking motivation and hunger for this one unlike the London game. Some of the younger lads on the team need to step up for this game as Dillon and A. Moran are not 100% match fit. Caff, Vaughan, the O'Sheas, O'Connor and Freeman needs to give some of their best performances to date.
Like many I've had my questions about Freeman and for me this is the game which will tell me whether or not he is up to it or not at this level. He can't let the occasion get to him like he has done before in Croke Park.
As we know all to well match ups will be vital. Caff should take up Murphy, Higgins on McBrearty and Cuniffe on McFadden.
The ideal scenario would be to build up a bit of a lead and force Donegal to come out of their shell. However quick starts are something we've failed to do under James.
One thing I would worry about with Dillon off song is our ability to score long range points as I'm sure Donegal will park their 14 men behind the ball.
We need to bring the same hunger, intensity, fight and ruthlessness we brought to the first half of the Galway game.
Its one thing saying we are untested but you also have to acknowledge that as a result we are fresh. Whereas Donegal have been challenged and now have heavier bodies. Which is more of an advantage, we'll have to wait until Sunday to find out.
Really looking forward to the build up of this one. Mayo have their press night tonight and I'm looking forward to seeing what James has to say, mind you he does seem to have mastered the act of talking without really saying much.
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
Also anyone know if Lacey will start?
Donegal are not going to give up their crown easily but I expect Mayo's hunger to win it for them it the end.
It will be some battle but bring it on!!
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Spoke to a few of the lads over the last few weeks. They really wanted a shot a Donegal this year. Spoke with gritted teeth and serious stare in the eyes too when they were mentioned. Got what they wanted. It's going to be some war, can't wait.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2013, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
How many of Mayo team that started the All Ireland final will start this game?
Players from AI 2012 in bold unlikely to play and replacements
Mayo:
1 David Clarke - Probably Hennelly
2 Kevin Keane - Probably Cunniffe
3 Ger Cafferkey
4 Keith Higgins
5 Lee Keegan
6 Donal Vaughan
7 Colm Boyle
8 Barry Moran Probably S O'Shea
9 Aidan O'Shea
10 Kevin McLoughlin
11 Jason Doherty Probably - Feeney
12 Alan Dillon
13 Enda Varley Probably - A Moran
14 Cillian O'Connor
15 Michael Conroy Probably Freeman
Cunniffe,Andy Moran should make the side stronger not sure about Feeney,Freeman,S O'Shea,Hennelly.
Feeney should have been brought on earlier last year, likewise S O'Shea imo. But that's in the past.
Donegal might well end up like Kilkenny hurlers. Beaten in their province, won a game or two, but ran out of steam owing to injuries etc.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 28, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
Donegal might well end up like Kilkenny hurlers. Beaten in their province, won a game or two, but ran out of steam owing to injuries etc.
You might well be right armaghniac. The parallels are there to be seen.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
It's there listen to the interview.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
It's there listen to the interview.
His reference to the All Ireland Final from last year is because of the head high clothes line tackle that was a Mayo speciality in the first half of that game. I don't blame him a bit for not wanting a repeat of that & would be surprised if you did
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 28, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 28, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
Where in that piece did I judge McGuinness???????
For one last time, In my opinion it is very rich of McGuinness to be giving out about the physicality of the game seeing as Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the country.
Please tell the question about why he is sending out a message about Mayo is a rhetorical question.
I listened to the interview and he clearly references the final, I'm not imagining things thank you.
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On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
It's there listen to the interview.
His reference to the All Ireland Final from last year is because of the head high clothes line tackle that was a Mayo speciality in the first half of that game. I don't blame him a bit for not wanting a repeat of that & would be surprised if you did
So you admit that he is trying to influence the referee in the upcoming game v Mayo?
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On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
Where in that piece did I judge McGuinness???????
For one last time, In my opinion it is very rich of McGuinness to be giving out about the physicality of the game seeing as Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the country.
Please tell the question about why he is sending out a message about Mayo is a rhetorical question.
I listened to the interview and he clearly references the final, I'm not imagining things thank you.
Read your own post " What was Jimmy McGuinness raving about". I only used the same yardstick to judge you that you used on him.
Donegal have no problems with physicality, it is dangerous reckless hits that they don't like.
As to the All Ireland it was last year's final he referred to, the game where Mayo used head high, clothes line tackles as part of their defensive strategy until Maurice Deegan put a stop to it. I for one have no problem with any steps that prevent a repeat & would be surprised that any self respecting GAA man would either
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On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
It's there listen to the interview.
His reference to the All Ireland Final from last year is because of the head high clothes line tackle that was a Mayo speciality in the first half of that game. I don't blame him a bit for not wanting a repeat of that & would be surprised if you did
So you admit that he is trying to influence the referee in the upcoming game v Mayo?
You've gone silent? ::)
This is the match James Horan & Mayo have been waiting for (and probably gearing themselves for all year. It''s not their fault that their provincial opponents were so poor. Since the Connacht final Galway redeemed themselves since via their performances v Armagh & Cork. Ross went down fighting V Tyrone.
But it doesnt alter the fact that both sides threw in the towel very early on against a hungry, focussed Mayo side. Mayo in response to this..... maintained their very professional standards by hammering both sides.
Mayo have improved since last season. They're now more clinical in front of goals. And they're hungry & fresh. Donegal are still a fine side but Monaghan showed them how powerful hunger can be.
This is a huge match for both sides. I just feel Mayo want & need it more. I feel they are the hungrier, fresher side. Donegal still looked a little flat v Laois. Mayo by 4.
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On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
It's there listen to the interview.
His reference to the All Ireland Final from last year is because of the head high clothes line tackle that was a Mayo speciality in the first half of that game. I don't blame him a bit for not wanting a repeat of that & would be surprised if you did
So you admit that he is trying to influence the referee in the upcoming game v Mayo?
You've gone silent? ::)
God no bunker, if you knew me better you wouldn't ask that ;D ;D ;D
To answer your question if he is trying to make sure that there are no dangerous head high tackles next Sunday then fair enough, guilty as charged. But any manager worth his salt will look out for his players safety & surely no one can criticise them for that or am I giving people too much credit?
Ok we agree he is influencing the referee!
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Ok we agree he is influencing the referee!
We would except that it now looks like the interview took place before the draw was made. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Bluestack if you can`t see the hit on McHugh is accidental u may started going to the soccer son,
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On a side note, what was Jimmy McGuinness raving about the physicality of the game? I was sitting in the upper Davin in last years all Ireland final and I had a perfect view of how the Mcgees targeted O'Connor. Jim if you can give it out but can't take it then don't give it out.
Trying to influence the ref perhaps?
What raving are you talking about?
He spoke from concern for his players safety having seen four of them suffering from concussion in the last three games & one spend two nights in hospital.
This has nothing to do with the ordinary cut & thrust of a game but is about the bone crunching hits, a lot of them marginally late, that are gong in nowadays. If the tackle Gallogly put in on McHugh happened in a rugby game he would have been sent off as you are not simply allowed to crash into people. Intent doesn't come into it. Every player has a responsibility to himself & his opponent not to to play in a recklessly dangerous manner & the fact that you would call this "raving" says a lot more about you than it does about McGuinness.
Excuse me but you have never met me nor do you know anything about me so leave the personal stuff out good lad. Don't know how you can judge my character by using the word raving on an internet forum.
The thing that annoyed me about this interview was the fact McGuinness was giving out about the physicality of the game when Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the championship.
His reference to the All Ireland final to me suggests that he was trying to send out a message to the ref for the game on Sunday which also annoyed me as last years final had nothing to do with what happened Mchugh in the Monaghan game.
You are the one who used the word "raving" when referring to McGuinness. If you can judge McGuinness then you can hardly complain if it applies to you as well.
The point he was making is that the physicality is now getting to the dangerous stage where concussion & hospital stays are becoming the norm and all you have to do is read some of the contributions here to see that people think it's no big deal. They are wrong, it is a big deal.
Why would he be sending out a message about Mayo? They are no more physical than Tyrone or Monaghan so don't be getting annoyed reading things that are not there.
Where in that piece did I judge McGuinness???????
For one last time, In my opinion it is very rich of McGuinness to be giving out about the physicality of the game seeing as Donegal are one of the most physical teams in the country.
Please tell the question about why he is sending out a message about Mayo is a rhetorical question.
I listened to the interview and he clearly references the final, I'm not imagining things thank you.
Read your own post " What was Jimmy McGuinness raving about". I only used the same yardstick to judge you that you used on him.
Donegal have no problems with physicality, it is dangerous reckless hits that they don't like.
As to the All Ireland it was last year's final he referred to, the game where Mayo used head high, clothes line tackles as part of their defensive strategy until Maurice Deegan put a stop to it. I for one have no problem with any steps that prevent a repeat & would be surprised that any self respecting GAA man would either
In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
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Bluestack if you can see the hit on McHugh is accidental u may started going to the soccer son,
Sorry wildweasel I don't get your point.
As for the "son" bit I went to my first Donegal game in 1972, so unless you are geriatric altogether.........
In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
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well saying your clocking in at 188 posts, as u pulled some other guy for 300,i presume you part of the jump on the band wagon supporters who clocked in here after you won the all-ireland last year, hell u been round that long you bound seen harder tackles than that. I remember a harder tackle F Doherty done on B Dunnion bck in 2006, 3 times the collision on McHugh
Sorry wildweasel that should have said 3,000 & you have to admit it was not a contribution that Des Cahill is likely to be reading out anytime soon!!
As for the 2006 collision, you never know how these things are going to work out, the other factor is that the strength & conditioning of the modern player is such that he packs far more of a wallop than years ago. Rugby & soccer have both outlawed dangerous tackles like these irrespective of intent & truth be told I think there is now a case for banning high collision shoulder to shoulder tackles too.
Any tackle where a man is lined up & hit where he doesn't see it coming & is not in a position to defend himself should be a red card. I'm amazed that we are even debating it when I think about it
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
So just because a player or manager doesn't make an issue out of a serious accident in a game its fine. Seeing as that seems to be your opinion tell me this. If McGuinness or McHugh did not highlight the challenge imposed on McHugh in the Monaghan game you would be totally fine with the incident?? Yeah??
Yes I watched the Sunday game and I saw the interview. That however still does not stop me believing that the fact that McGuinness was still not dropping a hint to the ref for the next game.
Me giving out about Jimmy and me not encouraging the behaviour are to different things.
I was giving out about Jimmy because his own team have carried out the same actions.
Sure they were all grand about the challenge till tonight. Jimmy is gawd and the hills people follow.
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
So just because a player or manager doesn't make an issue out of a serious accident in a game its fine. Seeing as that seems to be your opinion tell me this. If McGuinness or McHugh did not highlight the challenge imposed on McHugh in the Monaghan game you would be totally fine with the incident?? Yeah??
Yes I watched the Sunday game and I saw the interview. That however still does not stop me believing that the fact that McGuinness was still not dropping a hint to the ref for the next game.
Me giving out about Jimmy and me not encouraging the behaviour are to different things.
I was giving out about Jimmy because his own team have carried out the same actions.
Maybe I wasn't being clear enough about the "eye gouging". There was no eye gouging.
If McGuinness was "dropping a hint" that he wants dangerous tackling taken out of Gaelic football then I am with him all the way. I'll put it as clear as this. Any player who lines up & slams into another who doesn't see him coming & therefore can't defend himself should get a red card. I would even extend it to shoulder to shoulder tackles which are often no such thing. This is all about safety & protecting our players.
What McGuinness wants is this to be cut from the game full stop. Yes he has a track record at protecting his own. He laid into Pat Spillane a few years ago for comments he made on the Sunday game, he also stood up for McBrearty during "bitegate" and he is looking out for them here now. But the point he makes goes beyond Donegal and players in Mayo, Dublin, Carlow & London should be able to go on the field with protection from kamakaze tackles.
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
Your argument had sweet FA credibility before that comment but you've definitely blown yourself out of the water now.
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
Your argument had sweet FA credibility before that comment but you've definitely blown yourself out of the water now.
Fair enough. If you think that my having position on risks to player safety is a subject that has "no credibility" then tht's your privelige. I just hope it never comes to your door.
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
So just because a player or manager doesn't make an issue out of a serious accident in a game its fine. Seeing as that seems to be your opinion tell me this. If McGuinness or McHugh did not highlight the challenge imposed on McHugh in the Monaghan game you would be totally fine with the incident?? Yeah??
Yes I watched the Sunday game and I saw the interview. That however still does not stop me believing that the fact that McGuinness was still not dropping a hint to the ref for the next game.
Me giving out about Jimmy and me not encouraging the behaviour are to different things.
I was giving out about Jimmy because his own team have carried out the same actions.
Maybe I wasn't being clear enough about the "eye gouging". There was no eye gouging.
If McGuinness was "dropping a hint" that he wants dangerous tackling taken out of Gaelic football then I am with him all the way. I'll put it as clear as this. Any player who lines up & slams into another who doesn't see him coming & therefore can't defend himself should get a red card. I would even extend it to shoulder to shoulder tackles which are often no such thing. This is all about safety & protecting our players.
What McGuinness wants is this to be cut from the game full stop. Yes he has a track record at protecting his own. He laid into Pat Spillane a few years ago for comments he made on the Sunday game, he also stood up for McBrearty during "bitegate" and he is looking out for them here now. But the point he makes goes beyond Donegal and players in Mayo, Dublin, Carlow & London should be able to go on the field with protection from kamakaze tackles.
There was an attempt at eye gouging full stop. You still did not answer my question by the way.
Look I don't want to get into this debate about the McHugh incident. It has nothing to do with me and is irrevelant to Sundays game.
Please don't be so naive as to think that McGuinness was only making a point about the physicality of the game. Everyone on here and journalists on twitter have noticed this was a hint to the ref.
I was just strolling through twitter there and I saw this tweet from Ewan MacKenna (journalist) ''In fact remember two years ago, McGuinness saying Kieran McGeeney made cynical attempts to influence referee. So he's a hypocrite?'' Oh the irony, poor Jimmy has been caught out.
James Horan also said at the press conference tonight that Donegal will take every advantage they get.
Oh its going to be an interesting week!!
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
So just because a player or manager doesn't make an issue out of a serious accident in a game its fine. Seeing as that seems to be your opinion tell me this. If McGuinness or McHugh did not highlight the challenge imposed on McHugh in the Monaghan game you would be totally fine with the incident?? Yeah??
Yes I watched the Sunday game and I saw the interview. That however still does not stop me believing that the fact that McGuinness was still not dropping a hint to the ref for the next game.
Me giving out about Jimmy and me not encouraging the behaviour are to different things.
I was giving out about Jimmy because his own team have carried out the same actions.
Maybe I wasn't being clear enough about the "eye gouging". There was no eye gouging.
If McGuinness was "dropping a hint" that he wants dangerous tackling taken out of Gaelic football then I am with him all the way. I'll put it as clear as this. Any player who lines up & slams into another who doesn't see him coming & therefore can't defend himself should get a red card. I would even extend it to shoulder to shoulder tackles which are often no such thing. This is all about safety & protecting our players.
What McGuinness wants is this to be cut from the game full stop. Yes he has a track record at protecting his own. He laid into Pat Spillane a few years ago for comments he made on the Sunday game, he also stood up for McBrearty during "bitegate" and he is looking out for them here now. But the point he makes goes beyond Donegal and players in Mayo, Dublin, Carlow & London should be able to go on the field with protection from kamakaze tackles.
There was an attempt at eye gouging full stop. You still did not answer my question by the way.
Look I don't want to get into this debate about the McHugh incident. It has nothing to do with me and is irrevelant to Sundays game.
Please don't be so naive as to think that McGuinness was only making a point about the physicality of the game. Everyone on here and journalists on twitter have noticed this was a hint to the ref.
I was just strolling through twitter there and I saw this tweet from Ewan MacKenna (journalist) ''In fact remember two years ago, McGuinness saying Kieran McGeeney made cynical attempts to influence referee. So he's a hypocrite?'' Oh the irony, poor Jimmy has been caught out.
James Horan also said at the press conference tonight that Donegal will take every advantage they get.
Oh its going to be an interesting week!!
There is still the question of the interview taking place before the draw. I think it was Mrs Green in the library with a poker.
I'm starting to think that BluestackBoy is Jimmy McGuinness! Jimmy you made a tool of yourself in that interview. Pot, kettle black and all that. Now get back to managing your team and stop playing silly little games through the media!
If it was prior to the draw he made the remark , sound but he still knew he was playing a q/f next week against Kerry/Mayo or Dublin, so it doesn't change the context of his agenda .
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In my opinion Jimmys acquisitions were wild considering that him own team have been just as physical as what they have encountered so far. I am judging his comments, not him on a personal level.
To make this clear to you the two points I was making about the interview were:
1) It was rich of McGuinness when to be making a statement about the physicality of the game when his own players dish out the same thing. For example, Thompson sticking his finger in Kevin McLoughlin's eye in the league game this year.
2) His reference to last years final was irrelevant to the interview. The only reason he mentioned that game was to drop a message to the ref for Sundays game, in my view.
I'm not encouraging this behaviour at all but it is part of the modern game.
Thompson "sticking" his finger in McLoughlin's eye is your version. My version is no injury to player, no complaint from player, no complaint from Mayo management. Enough said.
Dropping a mesage to the ref for Sunday's game would be difficult as it now appears that the interview was carried out before the draw was made. Enough said.
If you don't encourage this behaviour the why give McGuinness stick for raising it? To say that it is part of the modern game is not nearly good enough. Will we have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair till something is done?
So just because a player or manager doesn't make an issue out of a serious accident in a game its fine. Seeing as that seems to be your opinion tell me this. If McGuinness or McHugh did not highlight the challenge imposed on McHugh in the Monaghan game you would be totally fine with the incident?? Yeah??
Yes I watched the Sunday game and I saw the interview. That however still does not stop me believing that the fact that McGuinness was still not dropping a hint to the ref for the next game.
Me giving out about Jimmy and me not encouraging the behaviour are to different things.
I was giving out about Jimmy because his own team have carried out the same actions.
Maybe I wasn't being clear enough about the "eye gouging". There was no eye gouging.
If McGuinness was "dropping a hint" that he wants dangerous tackling taken out of Gaelic football then I am with him all the way. I'll put it as clear as this. Any player who lines up & slams into another who doesn't see him coming & therefore can't defend himself should get a red card. I would even extend it to shoulder to shoulder tackles which are often no such thing. This is all about safety & protecting our players.
What McGuinness wants is this to be cut from the game full stop. Yes he has a track record at protecting his own. He laid into Pat Spillane a few years ago for comments he made on the Sunday game, he also stood up for McBrearty during "bitegate" and he is looking out for them here now. But the point he makes goes beyond Donegal and players in Mayo, Dublin, Carlow & London should be able to go on the field with protection from kamakaze tackles.
There was an attempt at eye gouging full stop. You still did not answer my question by the way.
Look I don't want to get into this debate about the McHugh incident. It has nothing to do with me and is irrevelant to Sundays game.
Please don't be so naive as to think that McGuinness was only making a point about the physicality of the game. Everyone on here and journalists on twitter have noticed this was a hint to the ref.
I was just strolling through twitter there and I saw this tweet from Ewan MacKenna (journalist) ''In fact remember two years ago, McGuinness saying Kieran McGeeney made cynical attempts to influence referee. So he's a hypocrite?'' Oh the irony, poor Jimmy has been caught out.
James Horan also said at the press conference tonight that Donegal will take every advantage they get.
Oh its going to be an interesting week!!
There is still the question of the interview taking place before the draw. I think it was Mrs Green in the library with a poker.
The interview was before the draw, I know that. But as larryin89 said, regardless of the opposition McGuinness agenda was still the same.
You still have failed to answer my question as to if McGuinness did not raise the McHugh incident in the media, then you would have no issue with it.
Quote from: ross matt on July 28, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
This is the match James Horan & Mayo have been waiting for (and probably gearing themselves for all year. It''s not their fault that their provincial opponents were so poor. Since the Connacht final Galway redeemed themselves since via their performances v Armagh & Cork. Ross went down fighting V Tyrone.
But it doesnt alter the fact that both sides threw in the towel very early on against a hungry, focussed Mayo side. Mayo in response to this..... maintained their very professional standards by hammering both sides.
Mayo have improved since last season. They're now more clinical in front of goals. And they're hungry & fresh. Donegal are still a fine side but Monaghan showed them how powerful hunger can be.
This is a huge match for both sides. I just feel Mayo want & need it more. I feel they are the hungrier, fresher side. Donegal still looked a little flat v Laois. Mayo by 4.
It's hard to argue with that.
In a 70min one off game though I think Donegal might nick it.
For a change no-one in the county is expecting them to win and the players know that no-one will criticize them or the manager if they lose.
It's a great position to be in and I think it will relax them and they can enjoy the occasion.
Not going to pretend I know what going on in Mayo but surely it's a must win for them?
Going into the match like this as favourites is an awkward place to find themselves in I imagine.
Murphy scored a fine point (from play lol )against Laois sat night and he's due a game.
I think I even saw McLoone score a point when he came on and neither of those things have happened for a few games at least!
Donegal by 1
I think McGuinness has a point. Remember Stephen O'Neill's vicious hit on Neil McGee earlier this summer? http://youtu.be/9jSWZcgg14c
McGee could have killed stone dead. Won't anybody think of the children?
The interview was before the draw, I know that. But as larryin89 said, regardless of the opposition McGuinness agenda was still the same.
You still have failed to answer my question as to if McGuinness did not raise the McHugh incident in the media, then you would have no issue with it.
So we have now finally established that McGuinness wasn't referring to the Mayo game in particular? Good stuff.
What agenda are you talking about? If you are talking about McGuinness wanting protection from late blindside hits then I have no problem with that.
How fo you come to the conclusion that I "have no problem" with the McHugh "incident" as you so delicately put it. I would have thought that the last 20 posts or so wouls show different. What I would ask is if a differendt manager had raised these same points would he be getting the same abuse, I don't think so.
Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
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Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
A burst ear drum, concussion & a 5cm muscle tear is no big deal? Wow what a hard man you must be :o :o :o :o :o :o
Lads lads lads ye're getting all worked up over very little. Do you watch professional sport at all?
This shit has been going on for years in the Premiership with Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho talking about players being singled out and hoping the ref is a strong enough character to deal with these things.
Someone mentioned about McGuinness singling out McGeeney to try and influence the ref through the media and being a hypocrite etc. It's Fergie mind games 101. Everything he does to influence referees is OK until someone else does it. If McGuinness does influence the ref in any small way do you think he will give one shite what a few Mayo keyboard warriors think of him?
It's up to James Horan to come out with some kind of statement saying it's only Jimmy's mind games and he has every faith the referee on Sunday will be fair and impartial and offer the same protection to both sets of players. . . ye're all making this work in Jimmy's favour by mouthing about it for so long.
Anyone who thinks he has lost the plot are barking up the wrong tree! The only reason Donegal will lose this game on Sunday is if Lacey and McHugh aren't fit enough. Even then it'll still be close!!
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The only reason Donegal will lose this game on Sunday is if Lacey and McHugh aren't fit enough.
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If McHugh has ''a five centimetre, not a five millimetre, tear in his quad muscle'' surely he won't be fit to play on Sunday? That's even before you get to his busted ear-drum and needing to pass concussion tests.
Oh, and this was awesome:
QuoteOfficial Donegal GAA @officialdonegal
So @MayoGAA think they can do 3 in a row in knocking out all Ireland champs,we'll send them back to the west next Sun. #Jimmyswinningmatches
Cannot wait to see this match. Potential for GotY. Up West Roscommon.
Anyway, I hope the ref protects the Mayo players from all the sly digs that will inevitably come their way from Donegal.
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Anyway, I hope the ref protects the Mayo players from all the sly digs that will inevitably come their way from Donegal.
+1
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If McHugh has ''a five centimetre, not a five millimetre, tear in his quad muscle'' surely he won't be fit to play on Sunday? That's even before you get to his busted ear-drum and needing to pass concussion tests.
Oh, and this was awesome:
QuoteOfficial Donegal GAA @officialdonegal
So @MayoGAA think they can do 3 in a row in knocking out all Ireland champs,we'll send them back to the west next Sun. #Jimmyswinningmatches
Cannot wait to see this match. Potential for GotY. Up West Roscommon.
Mayo and Roscommon County Councils have considered merger, I bet you will be a cheerleader for union if it ever catches any sort of momentum.
The amount of 3rd man tackles in the Donegal Down match was ridiculous, they have perfected the art and now are crying when people stand up to them.
Jimmy sees the tables have turned and is looking to stamp it out now, it was alright when it suited him
The Championship starts now. What a weekend in store for us.
I guess it's inevitable from what Donegal (supporters & team) have been through to bring part of that hostility with them into this match. Particular with how the last two matches pan out for them. I would also be unhappy if a Mayo player was taken out by a challenge, even if the tackle wasn't malicious. Although I don't think there is any doubt that McGuniness is playing mind games and trying to make the most of it.
Anyway I hope this settles down, not because it will effect our chances on Sunday (it won't), but because it may take away from the occasion itself! I've being looking forward to the Championship with the hope to meet Donegal. It's here and golly and I'm looking forward to seeing this Mayo team play there brand of football. I'm looking forward to seeing Mayo dictate the tempo and delivery fast ball from defence into attack. Hopefully we will see some nice high fielding and great point taking. I'm also wondering will I meet any of the many Donegal supporters who I chatted before the match last September.
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If McHugh has ''a five centimetre, not a five millimetre, tear in his quad muscle'' surely he won't be fit to play on Sunday? That's even before you get to his busted ear-drum and needing to pass concussion tests.
Oh, and this was awesome:
QuoteOfficial Donegal GAA @officialdonegal
So @MayoGAA think they can do 3 in a row in knocking out all Ireland champs,we'll send them back to the west next Sun. #Jimmyswinningmatches
Cannot wait to see this match. Potential for GotY. Up West Roscommon.
Mayo and Roscommon County Councils have considered merger, I bet you will be a cheerleader for union if it ever catches any sort of momentum.
Ye've stolen enough from us without taking our gombeens as well.
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The interview was before the draw, I know that. But as larryin89 said, regardless of the opposition McGuinness agenda was still the same.
You still have failed to answer my question as to if McGuinness did not raise the McHugh incident in the media, then you would have no issue with it.
So we have now finally established that McGuinness wasn't referring to the Mayo game in particular? Good stuff.
What agenda are you talking about? If you are talking about McGuinness wanting protection from late blindside hits then I have no problem with that.
How fo you come to the conclusion that I "have no problem" with the McHugh "incident" as you so delicately put it. I would have thought that the last 20 posts or so wouls show different. What I would ask is if a differendt manager had raised these same points would he be getting the same abuse, I don't think so.
Yes I established that a few posts ago if you cared to read them more carefully.
The agenda I am referring to is Jimmy's attempt to influence to ref for the next game.
Yes I get the message that you are wound up about the McHugh incident.
But you conveyed in response to the Thompson and McLoughlin incident I raised, that if the management team or players do not raise a serious incident in a game then everything is ok.
So once again if McGuinness did not raise the McHugh incident you would have let it pass over your head as the Donegal management team and players didn't say anything about it.
The only reason why I am challenging McGuinnesses comments are because they may influence the game on Sunday. As long Jimmy is not talking about Mayo or saying things that may influence games against Mayo I couldn't give two fucks about what he is saying.
And yes I believe if Mickey Harte came out with similar comments I believe he would get the same reaction.
Just seen on tickets.ie that supporters attending Sundays double header won't have the option of buying a ticket for €20 as hill 16 won't be opened. Not to impressed with this as believe there will be a massive crowd at the game and the option should be available to us as well as to those attending Saturdays games
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Just seen on tickets.ie that supporters attending Sundays double header won't have the option of buying a ticket for €20 as hill 16 won't be opened. Not to impressed with this as believe there will be a massive crowd at the game and the option should be available to us as well as to those attending Saturdays games
Ah Jaysus sure you wouldn't want in the Hill on Sunday. The shtate the Durty Dubs will leave the place in after Saturday's match sure you'fd be better off paying the few extra yoyos!
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 29, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
A burst ear drum, concussion & a 5cm muscle tear is no big deal? Wow what a hard man you must be :o :o :o :o :o :o
I mean the tackle was no big deal, not that the injuries were no big deal. But then you knew that. It's no fun debating with someone who's 100% biased.
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 29, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
A burst ear drum, concussion & a 5cm muscle tear is no big deal? Wow what a hard man you must be :o :o :o :o :o :o
I mean the tackle was no big deal, not that the injuries were no big deal. But then you knew that. It's no fun debating with someone who's 100% biased.
Not alone are you a hard man but you can also read minds? I'll have to dig out my tinfoil hat, coloured green & yellow of course ;D ;D
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 29, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
A burst ear drum, concussion & a 5cm muscle tear is no big deal? Wow what a hard man you must be :o :o :o :o :o :o
I mean the tackle was no big deal, not that the injuries were no big deal. But then you knew that. It's no fun debating with someone who's 100% biased.
emmm...i think I get it now. The actual tackle (2 feet off the ground mind) was no big deal up until, and including the inital point of contact..no big deal. However, the injuries sustained after the initial point of contact, caused by the tackle are a big deal...crystal ;-)
Joe McQuillan will be the ref.
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Joe McQuillan will be the ref.
So it'll be Horan's turn to moan about refs next? Should be a fun week.
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Joe McQuillan will be the ref.
So it'll be Horan's turn to moan about refs next? Should be a fun week.
When did he moan about Joe McQuillan. Did he not say he was he 100% confidence in him to do a fair job against the Dubs last year. ;)(obviously he was doing a McGuiness on it and trying to gain an edge for Mayo)
In fairness I don't mind McQuillan as he doesn't favour one side or the other when reffing it's just his decisions are baffling!!!
I would worry if the game gets fiery that he wouldn't handle it well and could result in a harsh/stupid red card for a Mayoman or Donegalman which would be a crappy way for a match as big as this to be decided.
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 29, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
Far worse things happen on a football field that Gollogly's challenge on McHugh. It was shoulder to shoulder but illegal in that both his feet were off the ground. Should have been a free and a yellow. No big deal.
A burst ear drum, concussion & a 5cm muscle tear is no big deal? Wow what a hard man you must be :o :o :o :o :o :o
I mean the tackle was no big deal, not that the injuries were no big deal. But then you knew that. It's no fun debating with someone who's 100% biased.
emmm...i think I get it now. The actual tackle (2 feet off the ground mind) was no big deal up until, and including the inital point of contact..no big deal. However, the injuries sustained after the initial point of contact, caused by the tackle are a big deal...crystal ;-)
It's really not that hard to understand. It's a tough sport and sometimes tackles that aren't that dirty can cause bad injuries. If Gollogly had had one foot on the ground, then I don't think it should have been a free. But he didn't, so it should have been a free and a yellow card.
And it's really hard to listen to a team that has a track record of taking out the opposition's better players, or feigning injury to get them sent off, whinging about one tackle that wasn't that bad.
Horan ready for Donegal challenge
MAYO ADVERTISER, JULY 29, 2013.
GAA: All Ireland SFC QF
By Colm Gannon
The luck of the draw pitted Mayo and Donegal against each other in next Sunday's All Ireland quarter-final and with that James Horan will square off against Jim McGuinness once again on the sideline. The Mayo manger looked confident and relaxed at the Mayo press event in Breaffy House on Sunday night and was looking forward to taking on last year's All Ireland champions once again.
When asked about the scuffle that happened in Carrick on Shannon on Saturday evening, between members of the Donegal management team and their Laois counterparts, Horan admitted he did not see it but he had some views on that sort of incident. "I didn't see the scuffle, I'm not too interested in it to be honest. Jim and Rory on the sideline are competitors and they'll use any means at their disposal to try and get an advantage. Look, I didn't see the thing so I don't know what happened, but I certainly know that of them. Look, Donegal and their backroom team are competitive, they're All Ireland champions, anything that will give them an advantage they will try."
When asked whether there was much banter between him and his backroom team and his counterpart on Sunday on the sidelines in the past, the Ballintubber man said, "I wouldn't think so, no. Although maybe a bit more banter with other teams, it might be a better way to say it. Look, Jim McGuinness and Rory Gallagher on the sideline, they do their thing. Look, when I'm on the sideline I just focus on what's the best way to help the team that's on the field. I try and stay as composed as I can."
It was then put to him that it might appear that there was no love lost between the two sides. He answered: "Maybe show me a team that has good body language towards Mr McGuinness on the sideline, maybe that's a better question. Look, Jim's a successful manager, so good luck to him."
Horan had earlier addressed the extra physicality that he said Donegal had brought to the game last year, and following comments from the Donegal camp about some of the tackles that had left them with injuries to some of their key men. Without knowing the specifics of the Donegal camps concerns Horan said: "As I said earlier on Donegal have been the leaders in that, there's no doubt about that, they've brought physicality in GAA to a new level and fair play to them. I know they've got a few injuries this year, as I said every inter-county team in the country has significant injuries, more than what Donegal have had. From our position, we don't whine or whinge about it, our two goalies were gone within two days of each other, you just dust yourself down and get on with it, and that's one of the features of Gaelic football and top level sport."
He had earlier said that Donegal were the front runners in the game in increasing physicality and used it to their advantage last year. "Last year they mastered many new skills and brought football to a different level on many fronts, and in particular in the area of physicality, they really ratcheted that up last year and put a lot of teams to the sword based on their strength and power and tackling. I don't know if any of you have been on the end of a Michael Murphy tackle recently, but there's, serious, serious physicality in that team, they've been the leaders on that front."
Why do so many County managers alway say "look" or "lookit" ???
"Look I didn't see the thing..." What does he want the interveiwer to look at ????? ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
Why do so many County managers alway say "look" or "lookit" ???
"Look I didn't see the thing..." What does he want the interveiwer to look at ????? ;D
Lookit, it's not something worth getting worked up about.
Horan stoking the fire a bit there...
This is like Ferguson v Wenger. No love lost. ;D ;D ;D
Interesting choice of ref to say the least. McQuillan could be all for his own province in this one.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2013, 08:13:23 PM
Interesting choice of ref to say the least. McQuillan could be all for his own province in this one.
Jim's doing as well!! Are there no dirty tricks he won't get up to.
Bluestack are you Muckross too. :o
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Bluestack are you Muckross too. :o
No, but I do enjoy him. Man after my own heart.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Bluestack are you Muckross too. :o
No, but I do enjoy him. Man after my own heart.
You are not Master or 51longago by any chance?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Bluestack are you Muckross too. :o
No, but I do enjoy him. Man after my own heart.
You are not Master or 51longago by any chance?
The pair of ye, away back to hoganstand if that's the level of bull you're bringing to this forum please.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Bluestack are you Muckross too. :o
No, but I do enjoy him. Man after my own heart.
You are not Master or 51longago by any chance?
The pair of ye, away back to hoganstand if that's the level of bull you're bringing to this forum please.
Do you want exclusivity Farrandeelin? That will cost you ;D ;D ;D ;D
Besides the side (or should i say the sideline) show, this is one intriguing match. Donegal's much hyped invincibility (by the media) has fallen over the last two weeks due to Monaghan being (dare i say) taken for granted and a litany of injuries to key Donegal players. Mayo on the other hand have got a mixture of huge recognition and little credit for winning Connacht. Both naturaly have something to prove, Donegal that they are not a flash in the pan and Mayo that they are now a top gun (finally) with AI credentials. For both Managers this game has came a round early. Both (naturally with ambitions) would have expected to meet on the 25th. So I'd say there is a large folder in both dressing rooms that will be taken out by both teams earlier than expected. In other words this was not a surprise fixture for both teams. Not say like the Cavan and Kerry game. So with this in mind each must be some knowledge of each other. Their strengths, weaknesses, systems, players, temperament, free winning, periods of dominance, concentration levels, etc.
God, I'm looking forward to this game!
I am quite literally crapping myself about this game & it's only Monday.
Before the week is out the wife will have left, the dog will be sore & my fingernails will be chewed to the quick.
Why do we do this to ourselves????
I'm in Mayo for this game. What would the etiquette be for a Tyrone man in Mayo when Mayo are playing an Ulster side?
this game a week or maybe two too early for Donegal.
mayo will use the revenge factor from last year to catch the flagging champs at a weak point.
Mayo will never have as good a chance to win sam !
Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
I'm in Mayo for this game. What would the etiquette be for a Tyrone man in Mayo when Mayo are playing an Ulster side?
Get pished in Westport. Don't tip in the restaurant. Complain about the lack of Harp and Tennents. Use "Free State" as much as you can. Drive like a lunatic. Talk loudly about the partitionist mentality. Mention Team of the decade, the Curse and total football a lot. Be too drunk to watch the game ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
I'm in Mayo for this game. What would the etiquette be for a Tyrone man in Mayo when Mayo are playing an Ulster side?
You could wear a "I wasn't even born in 1951!" t-shirt
Quote from: southdown on July 29, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
The Championship starts now.
The championship started in May.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 29, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
Mayo will never have as good a chance to win sam !
They had better chance last year when all they had to do was defeat Donegal. The winner of this game should reach the All Ireland final while the winner of Dublin or Cork v Kerry should win the All Ireland
I have seen Mayo involved in a fair few semis and now q/fs too since its introduction but never has there been such excitement .
Are we looking at the start of a rivalry like the dublin/Kerry thing of old?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
They had better chance last year when all they had to do was defeat Donegal. The winner of this game should reach the All Ireland final while the winner of Dublin or Cork v Kerry should win the All Ireland
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
I think Dublin will improve from today they have too. I still fancy Dublin v Donegal All Ireland final. If things go their way Cork,Kerry the other sides that could win All Ireland. If Mayo reach the All Ireland final it will be another defeat.
Glad to see you're as broad as ever oh captain my captain......
Did you miss this when reading back on my posts ballinaman?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 27, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 27, 2013, 08:44:17 PM
Massive test for Mayo against the reigning All-Ireland champions.
You will be grand sure you beat the last two defending All Ireland champions. Should also beat Monaghan or Tyrone so another All Ireland final for Mayo.
I did actually miss that one. Long day, eyes are gone square here.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
I have seen Mayo involved in a fair few semis and now q/fs too since its introduction but never has there been such excitement .
Are we looking at the start of a rivalry like the dublin/Kerry thing of old?
It has all the makings & McGuinness & Horan look set to do their level best to help.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
I have seen Mayo involved in a fair few semis and now q/fs too since its introduction but never has there been such excitement .
Are we looking at the start of a rivalry like the dublin/Kerry thing of old?
It has all the makings & McGuinness & Horan look set to do their level best to help.
No. Donegal will be gone after this year.
Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2013, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
I have seen Mayo involved in a fair few semis and now q/fs too since its introduction but never has there been such excitement .
Are we looking at the start of a rivalry like the dublin/Kerry thing of old?
It has all the makings & McGuinness & Horan look set to do their level best to help.
No. Donegal will be gone after this year.
Done for, you say?
You've some 'gal.
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Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
I have seen Mayo involved in a fair few semis and now q/fs too since its introduction but never has there been such excitement .
Are we looking at the start of a rivalry like the dublin/Kerry thing of old?
Maybe.
If Mayo manage to win a Sam.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:39:35 PM
I am quite literally crapping myself about this game & it's only Monday.
Before the week is out the wife will have left, the dog will be sore & my fingernails will be chewed to the quick.
Why do we do this to ourselves????
Not sure this means what you think it means
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 30, 2013, 05:12:43 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:39:35 PM
I am quite literally crapping myself about this game & it's only Monday.
Before the week is out the wife will have left, the dog will be sore & my fingernails will be chewed to the quick.
Why do we do this to ourselves????
Not sure this means what you think it means
I think he means figuratively . . .
Quote from: screenexile on July 30, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 30, 2013, 05:12:43 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:39:35 PM
I am quite literally crapping myself about this game & it's only Monday.
Before the week is out the wife will have left, the dog will be sore & my fingernails will be chewed to the quick.
Why do we do this to ourselves????
Not sure this means what you think it means
I think he means figuratively . . .
In other words, he doesn't know his arse from his elbow...
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
Lads, what do we think will the team be? Will Higgins revert to cornerback? I would say so as he's more of an asset back there in my opinion. Then again will Vaughan ever stick to his bloody position and stay t number 6 and do what a number 6 is supposed to do?
As for the forwards conundrum, I think Horan culled Regan too early. Dillon wasn't on form the last two days and Andy Moran hasn't been up to full championship pace yet. With O'Connor only getting a half against London, it's probably too early to suggest he's good enough to start against Donegal, but Horan may have other ideas and start him. Will Freeman continue his good year?
It will be a tough battle as Donegal will not give up their crown too easily either, despite all their 'injuries', and they have a win against Laois under their belt too and the 6 day turnaround for them didn't knock anything out of them.
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
Lads, what do we think will the team be? Will Higgins revert to cornerback? I would say so as he's more of an asset back there in my opinion. Then again will Vaughan ever stick to his bloody position and stay t number 6 and do what a number 6 is supposed to do?
As for the forwards conundrum, I think Horan culled Regan too early. Dillon wasn't on form the last two days and Andy Moran hasn't been up to full championship pace yet. With O'Connor only getting a half against London, it's probably too early to suggest he's good enough to start against Donegal, but Horan may have other ideas and start him. Will Freeman continue his good year?
It will be a tough battle as Donegal will not give up their crown too easily either, despite all their 'injuries', and they have a win against Laois under their belt too and the 6 day turnaround for them didn't knock anything out of them.
I'd say Higgins will definitely be back in the corner, the CB experiment wasnt a success. Vaughan will prob start CB, if he doesn't I'd like to see Cunniffe there, with McHale coming into the corner.
COC has to start, and I'm sure Andy will as well. Dillon I'm not so sure about but I'd be more surprised if he didn't start.
Could start Richie in half-forwards with him to funnel back to help win breaks and set attacks in motion.
McL COC Feeney
Dillon Freeman Moran
Id be going Cunnife and Barrett in the corners. Vaughan centre back. Higgins playing sweeper with Alan Dillon losing out
I'd be pretty sure he'll put Higgans back in the corner , the London experiment did not work and surprisingly for me anyways he seem to get forward less than usual and he ended up on h/f line too.
I can't fault Cunnife or Barret tbh which makes it difficult for me to argue the case for starting Shane McHale in the other corner but i just have that feeling that his size would be of benefit.
Look at the end of the day the all Ireland final is still fresh in the memory and i have every faith in Horan and this team that the horror start will not occur again .
Its going to be such an interesting game on so many levels.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 30, 2013, 09:54:09 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 30, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 30, 2013, 05:12:43 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 29, 2013, 09:39:35 PM
I am quite literally crapping myself about this game & it's only Monday.
Before the week is out the wife will have left, the dog will be sore & my fingernails will be chewed to the quick.
Why do we do this to ourselves????
Not sure this means what you think it means
I think he means figuratively . . .
In other words, he doesn't know his arse from his elbow...
Or that you can do time for bestiality.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Stay off the coffee ;) history dictates it may happen alright, but most gaels would be happy I'd say for Mayo to lift Sam the year
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Think what you like. Mayo would be one of the most popular winners ever I reckon.
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
You said it would be a major shot in the arm but it didn't provide that in the last two years as we were beaten in the next outing both times.
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Stay off the coffee ;) history dictates it may happen alright, but most gaels would be happy I'd say for Mayo to lift Sam the year
Fair enough, we have to go out and perform. All the well wishes in the world won't win you Sam. Time to put up or shut up this year for us.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Stay off the coffee ;) history dictates it may happen alright, but most gaels would be happy I'd say for Mayo to lift Sam the year
Fair enough, we have to go out and perform. All the well wishes in the world won't win you Sam. Time to put up or shut up this year for us.
bigtime..gonna be some festival of football this weekend
Quote from: StephenC on July 30, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Think what you like. Mayo would be one of the most popular winners ever I reckon.
All apart from Rossfan, and maybe at a stretch Sligonian, but he's only happy when Sligo win... ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
Stay off the coffee ;) history dictates it may happen alright, but most gaels would be happy I'd say for Mayo to lift Sam the year
Fair enough, we have to go out and perform. All the well wishes in the world won't win you Sam. Time to put up or shut up this year for us.
Exactly Ballinaman, the time for talking is over, met one of the first 15 yesterday for a coffee, as he put it, we can only control whet we do and that includes our performance and preparation. I have to say i am quietly confident.
As for the Mayo imploding nonsense.............everytime i hear that rubbish been spouted, it is time to tune out.....................
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
That's definitely true. I don't know why and it's nothing personal, but that's the way it is.
Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
I'm in Mayo for this game. What would the etiquette be for a Tyrone man in Mayo when Mayo are playing an Ulster side?
The etiquette for a Tyrone man in any proper football county would be to leave it as soon as possible.
Tyrones puke football is spreading like the sars virus i.e Donegal, Monaghan etc. We must do all in our power to quarantine it in Ulster.
I would like to see Mayo win an All Ireland. One of the Mayo lads has recently started working for us and you can tell from the way he talks it means everything to him.
Having said that the supporters do seem to get carried away with themselves a bit and seeing the team bottle it again would be funny also as the Mayo post mortems on here are always good craic in the wake of defeat. I guess it's an Irish thing that we hate to see others doing well.
Anyway for the time being I hope they can beat Donegal this weekend.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 30, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 30, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
That's definitely true. I don't know why and it's nothing personal, but that's the way it is.
I think it's just human nature to be honest Ohtoohtobe especially with the media saturation in sport at the moment. Also Gaa is a parochial sport for the fans and players so when it comes to other counties (unless a person has a strong connection) generally we just want to be entertained and a spectacular failure ( more so when it is expected) is entertaining in it's own right even if this is perceived as not politically correct.
I would safely wager that 99.9% are guilty of waiting for the spectacular fall rather than willing a breakthrough victory without having a real issue with a certain team or county.
Well tbh i find the GAA internet forums far removed from the passions of GAA supporters. There does be a lot of soft talk of wishing teams all the best and the like, it doesn't happen in the real world of supporters. Most supporters have their pet hates , mostly neighbouring counties or one you hold a grudge with.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 02:30:51 PM
Well tbh i find the GAA internet forums far removed from the passions of GAA supporters. There does be a lot of soft talk of wishing teams all the best and the like, it doesn't happen in the real world of supporters. Most supporters have their pet hates , mostly neighbouring counties or one you hold a grudge with.
Do you get to many matches, Larr?
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 02:30:51 PM
Well tbh i find the GAA internet forums far removed from the passions of GAA supporters. There does be a lot of soft talk of wishing teams all the best and the like, it doesn't happen in the real world of supporters. Most supporters have their pet hates , mostly neighbouring counties or one you hold a grudge with.
Do you get to many matches, Larr?
1984 started championship for me at 7 years, missed one game v Dubs in 06 (london on occ/ ny no), that includes travelling from England for a good few years and now Dublin and that is before it was fashionable to travel from Eng for championship. League i have to be honest got to all this year and last but previous to that it was 60% or so but when i lived at home same as fbd etc, growing up never missed, the clann is fanatics and well known for it.
Is there a reason you are asking, because there seems to a few of the rossie contingent eager to know a bit about me of late?
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 02:30:51 PM
Well tbh i find the GAA internet forums far removed from the passions of GAA supporters. There does be a lot of soft talk of wishing teams all the best and the like, it doesn't happen in the real world of supporters. Most supporters have their pet hates , mostly neighbouring counties or one you hold a grudge with.
Do you get to many matches, Larr?
1984 started championship for me at 7 years, missed one game v Dubs in 06 (london/new york no), that includes travelling from
Then how many matches have had good banter during or congratulations after the match? The fact is the GAA is one of the few sporting organisations in the world that doesn't need to segregate opposition supporters. The discourse has always been, in the main, good-natured.
The vast majority of the small number of yobs are band-wagoners who wouldn't have much interest in a GAA message board. This forum is as good a representation of the general level of respect between long-time GAA people, sometimes someone will stick the knife in but there's usually half a dozen more that do the opposite.
You're not fully understanding what i'm saying maybe. I personally take great pride in the points you allude to about no need for segregation etc and the general good banter is great.
My small point is, take me for example , i personally have no problem in shouting for Galway if they happen to end up last team in the west in the championship 98 and 01 celebrated for them but i could never shout for the Ross, thats honesty and most crowd from round where i'm from are the same, there is no malice in it , grew up with mates who were rossies but thats the way it is. Gloss over it if ya like but its the truth and im far from alone.
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The question is, will we, on Sunday evening, or after the semi or even final that we are on here lampooning Mayo for imploding again in Croke Pk? Sunday is massive for the Mayo men, a victory over the reigning champions in Croke Pk would be some shot in the arm. Outside of an Ulster team winning (with the exception of Tyrone), I'd love to see Mayo bring home the bacon to the West after all the heartache :)
Sunday prediction #1: Rory 'the racing car' Gallagher gets sent to the cushion seats midway through the 1st half
We've beaten the All-Ireland champions in each of the last two years, in q-final and semi-final stage. That in itself is no longer a major achievement for this team.
It obviously is a major acheivement as its about as much as ye's do. no implosion then this year..happy days
I love the "ah I'd love to see ye win it" attitude when in reality, the vast majority would gain much more enjoyment from an implosion as you would put it.
That's definitely true. I don't know why and it's nothing personal, but that's the way it is.
I think it's just human nature to be honest Ohtoohtobe especially with the media saturation in sport at the moment. Also Gaa is a parochial sport for the fans and players so when it comes to other counties (unless a person has a strong connection) generally we just want to be entertained and a spectacular failure ( more so when it is expected) is entertaining in it's own right even if this is perceived as not politically correct.
I would safely wager that 99.9% are guilty of waiting for the spectacular fall rather than willing a breakthrough victory without having a real issue with a certain team or county.
Don't think it's true at all. Would people have a laugh at Mayo's expense if they lose a final? Definitely. Think back to the dubs shirts with the "Almost" imposed over the "Arnotts" logo a few years back--Irish people like to wind each other up. But most people would acknowledge that this Mayo team deserves an All-Ireland after all of the heartache in, especially, recent years.
If it isn't at Dublin's expense, I'd be happy to see Mayo win it.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 03:19:28 PM
You're not fully understanding what i'm saying maybe. I personally take great pride in the points you allude to about no need for segregation etc and the general good banter is great.
My small point is, take me for example , i personally have no problem in shouting for Galway if they happen to end up last team in the west in the championship 98 and 01 celebrated for them but i could never shout for the Ross, thats honesty and most crowd from round where i'm from are the same, there is no malice in it , grew up with mates who were rossies but thats the way it is. Gloss over it if ya like but its the truth and im far from alone.
Pity you feel that way. I'm a Rossie but I hope Mayo beat Donegal and go on to win the AI final. As a Rossie.... a Connaught person or a neutral in general "I'm far from alone". Wallow in your bitterness Larry.
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
Is the blonde female physio who had a starring role in last years semi with the Dubs still involved with the Mayo panel ????
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Muck, will ya lighten up and enjoy the occasion.On a lighter note, i give you the thai tims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=cG2n34DmPv4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcG2n34DmPv4%26sns%3Dfb&nomobile=1
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Mayo Mick is one of a kind though Blue Stack - optimistic and confident. I like his work :)
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 10:34:41 PM
Muck, will ya lighten up and enjoy the occasion.On a lighter note, i give you the thai tims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=cG2n34DmPv4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcG2n34DmPv4%26sns%3Dfb&nomobile=1
Jaysus larry I'm having a ball, it's only a bit of crack & the video is brilliant. Good on ya for putting it up, I hadn't seen it before.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
this could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
I thought the "Mayo Mick" bit was a giveaway. God but ye are the devious feckers >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
I thought the "Mayo Mick" bit was a giveaway. God but ye are the devious feckers >:( >:( >:(
Pretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie :-X
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
I thought the "Mayo Mick" bit was a giveaway. God but ye are the devious feckers >:( >:( >:(
Pretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie :-X
A stop needs to be put to this sort of thing otherwise where are we?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 30, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
Is the blonde female physio who had a starring role in last years semi with the Dubs still involved with the Mayo panel ????
Caroline is no longer involved. Played in goal for Mayo ladies for a good few years.
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 31, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
I would agree about the Donegal of 2013 part. There is an edge there that wasn't there last year & Horan has worked hard all winter on the tackling which was a weak point last year. Cillian O'Connor's fitness is the big remaining question. Will his shoulder hold out? Without him Mayo are a diminished team.
When you say you look out on the Atlantic? Not Donegal surely :o :o :o :o :o :o
QuoteWhen you say you look out on the Atlantic? Not Donegal surely
Nah but I have an affinity with fellow seafaring counties. Now inland counties are another story!!
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 31, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
Welcome back MAYO MICK! You have been on the ball over the summer so far. If you believe it write it, i say!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 30, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 30, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
As I said after the Galway game there was nothing more to discuss until after Reek Sunday and no surprise that's how things turned out. So now in early August our season is about to start - a bit late but the next 7 or 8 weeks will make up for it. Nice tasty start this weekend for the run up to AI final day for us and the perfect type of game for us to dust away any cobwebs. Expect we will win it comfortably enough but Donegal will make us work and we will have to stay focused and playing to the end unlike the challenge games we had in Connacht.
Last year we left an AI behind us –we were at least as good and probably better than Jimmy's men. I would say this year we have improved 20-25% - players understand system, stronger panel and Horan will not make same mistakes again. Not alone have we no weaknesses now but we have 5 or 6 players on the sideline that in other years would walk on to the team. Donegal on the other hand have gone backwards – injuries, fatigue and the mystique gone makes them an ordinary team now – always felt that talent wise they were thin enough outside of 4 or 5 players.
Probably will have a tough tight first half with us leading at interval by a couple of points. Second half we will score 3 for every 2 Donegal get, hit them for a goal in the final quarter as they lose shape and in the end prevail by something like 1-14 to 0-10.
Have to say confidence very high with everyone I meet that this is our year. Get Sunday out of the way and don't see Tyrone or Monaghan unduly troubling us. Then it's Kerry, Dublin or Cork any of whom we should have measure of. Great times.
If a Donegal man put up a post like this tripe, the roof would cave in with accusations of "arrogance". A Mayo man, probably on the old Jamaican Woodbines puts it up and .....silence. Maybe the silence is of the embarrased variety, we can only hope.
N
Er, Bluestack, we're not sure if he's from Mayo at all...
I thought the "Mayo Mick" bit was a giveaway. God but ye are the devious feckers >:( >:( >:(
Pretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie :-X
A stop needs to be put to this sort of thing otherwise where are we?
Ballagh is as much Mayo as the 6 counties are Ireland. Planters from Frenchpark can talk all the shite they like but the Green and Red will always fly over Ballagh in glory.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 31, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
Welcome back MAYO MICK! You have been on the ball over the summer so far. If you believe it write it, i say!
Thanks. Didn't bother to go the Connacht final. Don't know if I should wait for our semi-final v Tyrone to make the trip to Dublin. Donegal are shot, no match for us.
Mayo +9.
...shit, wrong account.
Quote from: Syferus on July 31, 2013, 12:46:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 31, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
Welcome back MAYO MICK! You have been on the ball over the summer so far. If you believe it write it, i say!
Thanks. Didn't bother to go the Connacht final. Don't know if I should wait for our semi-final v Tyrone to make the trip to Dublin. Donegal are shot, no match for us.
Mayo +9
...shit, wrong account.
I know you like the Swedish colours, but have you gone Stockholm?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 31, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Quotethis could be your year Farandeelin - its the good lads like yourself that I'd be delighted for should yez win this year.
still a long way to go if you get past Donegal.
IT is pants to say that you have the measure of cork, dublin and kerry.
Cork dont even have the measure of themselves but should be the best team in the country and could yet be on any given day. Kerry always dangerous and Dublin are young and fantastically talented but could be outmuscled as well as potentially naive on the line.
Not saying Lynchboy that we would have a cakewalk against any of the 3 but I feel we are more organised, pacier and stronger - the Donegal of 2013 if you like. Dubs likely to be the toughest but feel Cork might take them this weekend.
QuotePretty sure he's from Ballagh so unfortunately he's a Rossie
What makes you think that Syferus. Not that it matters but I'm a long way from Ballagh and I look out at the Atlantic every morning.
Welcome back MAYO MICK! You have been on the ball over the summer so far. If you believe it write it, i say!
Does he believe what he types though?
Mayo Mick is the authentic voice of the Heather County - no showing the white feather there. More luck to him.
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
a bit ironic that he is fit to play after the ice mans medical conference in carrick on shannon ice man definetly is winning the mind games battle with horan
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
a bit ironic that he is fit to play after the ice mans medical conference in carrick on shannon ice man definetly is winning the mind games battle with horan
Not really. If McHugh is fit to play, it just show's up McGuinness even more for his scaremongering about spinal cord injuries etc
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Donegal up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7492
Emmet
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
a bit ironic that he is fit to play after the ice mans medical conference in carrick on shannon ice man definetly is winning the mind games battle with horan
Not really. If McHugh is fit to play, it just show's up McGuinness even more for his scaremongering about spinal cord injuries etc
I'd beg to differ, it gives McG a sly victory to suit his slimey character.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Apparently Jim read the medical notes wrong, it was in fact a 5mm tear.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 31, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Apparently Jim read the medical notes wrong, it was in fact a 5mm tear.
I think horan is going the only sensible route,
Believe nothing from the donegal camp and watch Jimmy tie himself up in Knots.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 31, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Apparently Jim read the medical notes wrong, it was in fact a 5mm tear.
First I've heard of that Larry!! Where did you get your info?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 31, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Apparently Jim read the medical notes wrong, it was in fact a 5mm tear.
First I've heard of that Larry!! Where did you get your info?
I got the shift off this nurse last night from letterkenny general, she was in coppers, up in the big smoke for a hen do, she was loaded drunk, she gave me the run down on mcHugh.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 31, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 31, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
Apparently Jim read the medical notes wrong, it was in fact a 5mm tear.
First I've heard of that Larry!! Where did you get your info?
I got the shift off this nurse last night from letterkenny general, she was in coppers, up in the big smoke for a hen do, she was loaded drunk, she gave me the run down on mcHugh.
As reliable a source as you're likely to find!!! I would give her more credence than most of what I read in the papers or gaaboard.ie ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
You may well be right but I'd wait until the ref throws the ball in before I'd bet on either not starting.
Jimmy could be playing mind games as he often does and for that matter, James has been known to do the same. All managers do this; some with more success than others.
I don't expect either team to line out as selected.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 31, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
The Irish Times are reporting that Mark McHugh is cleared of concussion and could play on Sunday - the quad muscle is the only thing that might keep him on the bench. Lacey also in line to play. Big, big boosts for Donegal if they both can play.
I don't believe a word of it. Lacey was supposed to be fit for the Ulster final and look how that turned out. He only played 15 minutes last Sunday , so even if he starts it would be more in hope than confidence.
As for McHugh, I doubt he's fit. I don't know about the muscle tear but a 5cm tear would hardly be right in 2 weeks not to mention the perforated ear drum. Again hardly likely to be 100% or near it.
If they do start it will be out of desperation & a sign that our goose is really cooked.
You may well be right but I'd wait until the ref throws the ball in before I'd bet on either not starting.
Jimmy could be playing mind games as he often does and for that matter, James has been known to do the same. All managers do this; some with more success than others.
I don't expect either team to line out as selected.
I agree 100% but think that if either do start then we are in real trouble as they are not 100% or near it & only 100% will do on Sunday.
I hope I am not watching this game from under the seat on Sunday but I am starting to get a bad feeling :-[ :-[ :-[
I reckon this will be a horrible game to watch but neither side will care one jot if they come out with a win. Both sides epitomise the the state of gaelic football at the minute. Massive backroom teams, carefully programmed gameplans, functional pre-programmed players, teams built on solid defence, do whatever it takes to win attitude. I think the winners of this match may well go on to win the AI title but this is the game I am least looking forward to over the weekend, it will be grinding.
It's something that has mystified me tbh. If Lacey was fit enough to start the Ulster final, why wan't he fit enough to start against Laois? Seems to me that Jim made a bad call for the Ulster final - you could see that Karl wasn't fit. Given that he didn't start against Laois, I'd bet that he won't this weekend either.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 31, 2013, 10:51:29 AM
I reckon this will be a horrible game to watch but neither side will care one jot if they come out with a win. Both sides epitomise the the state of gaelic football at the minute. Massive backroom teams, carefully programmed gameplans, functional pre-programmed players, teams built on solid defence, do whatever it takes to win attitude. I think the winners of this match may well go on to win the AI title but this is the game I am least looking forward to over the weekend, it will be grinding.
Can't argue with that. Mind you It is the game that everyone will tune into though. It will be a bit like a car crash , you know you shouldn't watch but can't help yourself.
Quote from: emmetryan on July 31, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Donegal up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7492
Emmet
Uplifting verdict for Mayo, maybe calm our nerves a little!
Emmett focus on where Mayo will get the scores and how Donegal will defend. He has an interesting take on Monaghan win
Monaghan didn't break the system, they beat the players. . I'm not trying to reignite Jimmy is getting worried debate on this thread, but possible this may well be his main grip with the physicality Donegal received.
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
It's something that has mystified me tbh. If Lacey was fit enough to start the Ulster final, why wan't he fit enough to start against Laois? Seems to me that Jim made a bad call for the Ulster final - you could see that Karl wasn't fit. Given that he didn't start against Laois, I'd bet that he won't this weekend either.
I fully expect he'll start Sunday. Looked ok, maybe not 100%, against Laois and the game is too important and Lacey too essential with the question marks surrounding McHugh, the other main playmaker on the team.
With all due respect to Laois, playing them on a small pitch where you can elimate space so easily gave McGuinness latitude to only need to use the game as a way of getting a few minutes into Lacey.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 31, 2013, 10:51:29 AM
I reckon this will be a horrible game to watch but neither side will care one jot if they come out with a win. Both sides epitomise the the state of gaelic football at the minute. Massive backroom teams, carefully programmed gameplans, functional pre-programmed players, teams built on solid defence, do whatever it takes to win attitude. I think the winners of this match may well go on to win the AI title but this is the game I am least looking forward to over the weekend, it will be grinding.
Can you define what the Mayo gameplan is ..... cos i struggle with that one.
Mayo are a team 'built on solid defence' ..... strange statement for a team who have won all their games to date by well into double digits
Functional pre-programmed players ..... i think its more a case of 'i wish we actually had a few of those'. Give me a name or 2 of a Mayo player who you feel ticks this box.
Anyways tis good to hear about McHugh, he was seen in knock yesterday, obviously miracles do happen.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 11:02:05 AM
I'd be pretty sure he'll put Higgans back in the corner , the London experiment did not work and surprisingly for me anyways he seem to get forward less than usual and he ended up on h/f line too.
I can't fault Cunnife or Barret tbh which makes it difficult for me to argue the case for starting Shane McHale in the other corner but i just have that feeling that his size would be of benefit.
Look at the end of the day the all Ireland final is still fresh in the memory and i have every faith in Horan and this team that the horror start will not occur again .
Its going to be such an interesting game on so many levels.
I think its time to start talking about the team again. To much about Jimmy on this and the other thread.
What were you expecting from Higgins the last day. For me the experiment was to give Higgins game time as a sweeper in full anticipation of playing Donegal down the road. Id be shocked if both Cunnife and Barrett didn't start with Higgins again named further up the pitch. I expect Vaughan to start so therefore Higgins as a half forward. If we are to avoid the horror show of last years first 10 minutes then it must be kept tight at the back and the fact that Down and Monaghan have shown this as a way of playing Donegal, Horan will hardly be foolish enough to ignore it
Was talking to mark mchugh yesterday in letterkenny and would be extremely confident of him playin no part on Sunday. Don't think Lacey will start either was clearly not fit enough in ulster final and would keep him in reserve for the 2nd half would give everyone a lift him coming on
Quote from: criostlinn on July 31, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2013, 11:02:05 AM
I'd be pretty sure he'll put Higgans back in the corner , the London experiment did not work and surprisingly for me anyways he seem to get forward less than usual and he ended up on h/f line too.
I can't fault Cunnife or Barret tbh which makes it difficult for me to argue the case for starting Shane McHale in the other corner but i just have that feeling that his size would be of benefit.
Look at the end of the day the all Ireland final is still fresh in the memory and i have every faith in Horan and this team that the horror start will not occur again .
Its going to be such an interesting game on so many levels.
I think its time to start talking about the team again. To much about Jimmy on this and the other thread.
What were you expecting from Higgins the last day. For me the experiment was to give Higgins game time as a sweeper in full anticipation of playing Donegal down the road. Id be shocked if both Cunnife and Barrett didn't start with Higgins again named further up the pitch. I expect Vaughan to start so therefore Higgins as a half forward. If we are to avoid the horror show of last years first 10 minutes then it must be kept tight at the back and the fact that Down and Monaghan have shown this as a way of playing Donegal, Horan will hardly be foolish enough to ignore it
The sweeper role thing has me confused, an aul simpleton i am , so if you could do me the courtesy of telling me what a sweeper is in gaelic football?
Ok, Sweeper, extra man back with a licence to attack, what ever you want to call it. The full back line was left exposed last year, this cannot happen again the next day.
Just as a matter of interest, what would you call Mark McHugh's position on the pitch. I know he's a forward but what would you call his role
Quote from: AMayoFan on July 31, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on July 31, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Donegal up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7492
Emmet
Uplifting verdict for Mayo, maybe calm our nerves a little!
Emmett focus on where Mayo will get the scores and how Donegal will defend. He has an interesting take on Monaghan win Monaghan didn't break the system, they beat the players. . I'm not trying to reignite Jimmy is getting worried debate on this thread, but possible this may well be his main grip with the physicality Donegal received.
And I have yet to receive any death threats from Monaghan :)
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
Quote from: emmetryan on July 31, 2013, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on July 31, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on July 31, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Donegal up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7492
Emmet
Uplifting verdict for Mayo, maybe calm our nerves a little!
Emmett focus on where Mayo will get the scores and how Donegal will defend. He has an interesting take on Monaghan win Monaghan didn't break the system, they beat the players. . I'm not trying to reignite Jimmy is getting worried debate on this thread, but possible this may well be his main grip with the physicality Donegal received.
And I have yet to receive any death threats from Monaghan :)
You also couldn't have gave them higher praise in their victory and they did outperform Donegal that day!
Quote from: criostlinn on July 31, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
Ok, Sweeper, extra man back with a licence to attack, what ever you want to call it. The full back line was left exposed last year, this cannot happen again the next day.
Just as a matter of interest, what would you call Mark McHugh's position on the pitch. I know he's a forward but what would you call his role
Sweepers play different roles in different situations. Mostly they provide cover for the full back line to make sure that breaking ball is collected & that dangerous full forwards don't get one on ones like Murphy got on Keane last year.
As for McHugh he is mostly a link player whose job is to be on hand to take possesion in the backline & transfer it up the field as quickly as possible without the risk of hoofing it. In Mark's absence his younger brother Ryan took on the role against Laois.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on July 31, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
Ok, Sweeper, extra man back with a licence to attack, what ever you want to call it. The full back line was left exposed last year, this cannot happen again the next day.
Just as a matter of interest, what would you call Mark McHugh's position on the pitch. I know he's a forward but what would you call his role
Sweepers play different roles in different situations. Mostly they provide cover for the full back line to make sure that breaking ball is collected & that dangerous full forwards don't get one on ones like Murphy got on Keane last year.
As for McHugh he is mostly a link player whose job is to be on hand to take possesion in the backline & transfer it up the field as quickly as possible without the risk of hoofing it. In Mark's absence his younger brother Ryan took on the role against Laois.
I think it mostly ran through Ryan Bradley, honestly. Bradley had a 'mare passing up the field, though.
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Zero surprises. I'd expect them to line-up as selected unless Mark McHugh makes a miraculous recovery by Sunday.
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Wow, that's some injury crisis right there.....#Pray4Donegal
Quote from: ballinaman on July 31, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Wow, that's some injury crisis right there.....#Pray4Donegal
We'll take all the prayers we can get. Who ever mentioned an injury crisis BTW? McHugh is out as expected and Lacey will start even though he's not fully fit.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 31, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Wow, that's some injury crisis right there.....#Pray4Donegal
A lot of walking wounded there though ballinaman & I wouldn't be convinced that we'll see Lacey lining out.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 31, 2013, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 31, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Donegal team for Sunday:
Durkan
McGrath, N McGee, E McGee
McGlynn, Lacey, Thompson
Gallagher, Kavanagh
Bradley, R McHugh, David Walsh
McBrearty, Murphy, McFadden
Wow, that's some injury crisis right there.....#Pray4Donegal
A lot of walking wounded there though ballinaman & I wouldn't be convinced that we'll see Lacey lining out.
Unless his situation has worsened from Saturday I don't see him not starting.
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
I think you're getting a wee bit confused there, Squire.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
Don't you have a car to burn out or something? I though it was only Paddy McBrearty that was bitten by a Dublin player. Not it turns out there was another bite? Even more shame on Dublin.
Quote from: Syferus on July 31, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
I think you're getting a wee bit confused there, Squire.
I think your correct my good man ..................................you understand me though dont ya ;)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
I think you might have confused Ryan Bradley with Patrick McBrearty there squire. But their names are so similar it is an easy mistake to make ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
Don't you have a car to burn out or something? I though it was only Paddy McBrearty that was bitten by a Dublin player. Not it turns out there was another bite? Even more shame on Dublin.
You driving down on Sunday ??? I might be on duty ..............Ill keep an eye on her
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 31, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 31, 2013, 01:30:14 PM
I would worry a lot about some of our 'role players'. Ryan Bradley appears to me to have lost all of his confidence. He was one of the top players in the Ulster championship last year, but this year he seems to prone to silly turnovers and bad passes. His effort at a point in Carrick summed it up for me - he's a man who has lost the spark and confidence that he had before.
Tony Thompson is another man who hasn't reached the heights of last year. He's has still been solid but I believe he is carrying a knock that is hampering him. Rory Kavanagh has been poor enough as well apart from his 2nd half against Tyrone. Again I believe he is hampered by a niggling injury.
Leo McLoone didn't start in Carrick and is another player who seems stuck in a slump.
So while all the talk is about Lacey and McHugh, if we don't get improved performances from these lads that I have mentioned (and others) then we won't have a hope of beating the Mayo men.
You can blame the dream team of Jimmy and weasel Rory on that one, with insisting he lie that he was bitten in a game
Don't you have a car to burn out or something? I though it was only Paddy McBrearty that was bitten by a Dublin player. Not it turns out there was another bite? Even more shame on Dublin.
You driving down on Sunday ??? I might be on duty ..............Ill keep an eye on her
Good man. Yella reg naturally.
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
Quote from: criostlinn on July 31, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
Ok, Sweeper, extra man back with a licence to attack, what ever you want to call it. The full back line was left exposed last year, this cannot happen again the next day.
Just as a matter of interest, what would you call Mark McHugh's position on the pitch. I know he's a forward but what would you call his role
Maybe we could call Mark McHugh a ruck-rover, after a similar position in Aussie Rules?
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
Think you are missing Higgins?
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
We can't go playing 14 a side, i'd play higgans .
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
As long as you don't forget Higgins, I think you got it right. I could see Dillon and O'Connor swapping places but other than that, I think you're bang on.
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
Who do you think that sweeper should be from the team you selected
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
You re probably not far off but I d prefer to start with 14 ;D
Disappointing that Clarkie is gone for this and later - if there is a later. No secret either that Dillon is being nursed through the summer and it will be interesting to see whether he starts or finishes. This is going to be interesting. Duel at Diablo. But it s a must win for Mayo. Huge pressure on Mayo to win.
Donegal lose and it s a case for them 'we always have Paris'.
Quote from: moysider on July 31, 2013, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
The team that I think will line out for Sunday will be- Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOS, SOS, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Feeney, A. Moran, Freeman Dillon.
Like other people would like to see McHale starting as his physicality may be needed in the backs. However I can't see Horan throwing him in the deep end. Other than that I would be pretty happy with the team I think Horan will go for.
I would worry about O'Connor as I think, like last years final, Donegal will target him and in particular his shoulder injury.
The Donegal lads will be trying to rise all of the Mayo players and its very important that they don't rise to it as a sending off could be crucial.
Would also like to see us having a sweeper in the first 15-20mins at least as I'm sure Donegal will target the full back line with high balls again.
You re probably not far off but I d prefer to start with 14 ;D
Disappointing that Clarkie is gone for this and later - if there is a later. No secret either that Dillon is being nursed through the summer and it will be interesting to see whether he starts or finishes. This is going to be interesting. Duel at Diablo. But it s a must win for Mayo. Huge pressure on Mayo to win.
Donegal lose and it s a case for them 'we always have Paris'.
I think ye lads are hitting the champagne a few weeks too early this year.
Did ye not hear about James new game plan to spook Jimmy out? Playing with 14 men is the only way to go now days!!!
Ah no only messing, don't know how I forgot Higgins!
I would like to see McLoughlin or Feeney playing the sweeper role if we go down that road, doesn't really bother me which one does the job as I feel they would be able to fill the role without must hassle.
Agree Moy, Clarke is a big loss. Especially in terms of leadership. Always encouraging and organising the backs. But Hennelly isn't too shabby either.
Just listened to the Mayo News podcast for the game and they said that Higgins has been playing the role of a sweepers in A V B games. However I would be really surprised if Horan decided to play him as sweeper as in the three years of his management he has been mostly conservative when it comes to team selection.
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 31, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Did ye not hear about James new game plan to spook Jimmy out? Playing with 14 men is the only way to go now days!!!
Ah no only messing, don't know how I forgot Higgins!
I would like to see McLoughlin or Feeney playing the sweeper role if we go down that road, doesn't really bother me which one does the job as I feel they would be able to fill the role without must hassle.
Agree Moy, Clarke is a big loss. Especially in terms of leadership. Always encouraging and organising the backs. But Hennelly isn't too shabby either.
Just listened to the Mayo News podcast for the game and they said that Higgins has been playing the role of a sweepers in A V B games. However I would be really surprised if Horan decided to play him as sweeper as in the three years of his management he has been mostly conservative when it comes to team selection.
Hmmmm. Maybe Horan is doing something that he now knows he should have done 10 months ago? Horan was not conservative before ........ not getting players behind the ball when 10 up in an AISF and leaving Michael Murphy inside 1 on 1 at start of AI final ( while playing an ineffective 3 man ff line down the other end) is not just conservative. There is another way of describing that.
Hard to figure out how this game will go.Horan seems to have stirred up a hornets nest with some of his comments and you would feel that Donegal will have one last big kick in them. Horan is one of the few managers who does not mind putting it out there that he expects his team to win each game they play and there is no mealy mouth rubbish saying that the opposition should be favs and that his team will be up against it.Listening to him before the Galway game he was basically saying that they were a 6 or 7 point better team and he was proved right.Mayo seem to be very focused on playing there own game regardless of what Donegal or any other team are doing and are very confidant in there own ability.Patience may be the key for Mayo as i am sure Donegal will pack there defense early on and try and take Mayo out of there rhythm and frustrate them.I think Mayo will have to carry the ball early on and any ball into the f.f line will have to stick and this is where Andy Moran will be vital.All in all, should be a tense and riveting game and I am sure it will have a lot of unforeseen twists and turns before it is all over.
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
Quote from: maigheo on August 01, 2013, 03:31:35 AM
Patience may be the key for Mayo as i am sure Donegal will pack there defense early on and try and take Mayo out of there rhythm and frustrate them.I think Mayo will have to carry the ball early on and any ball into the f.f line will have to stick and this is where Andy Moran will be vital.
Agree, and also Freeman performance!. It's great having a different dimension option in our attack. We need another big performance from him, and I read that Sunday is promised wet so his job will be that much harder.
Big big day for Mayo.
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 08:07:30 AM
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
based on......
Strange to me but Mayo seem very confident with this one and not a whole lot to back it up!!
I think Donegal have a huge chance to win this game especially if they get McHugh and Lacey back. It reminds me a bit of Dublin a couple of years ago. They got their scare too late in the year to do anything about it insofar as they didn't get a second chance.The fact Monaghan beat Donegal and they're still in the Championship should have refocussed the minds in Donegal. It shouldn't be too hard to get yourself up mentally for 3 games and then you've an All Ireland title.
Along with that Mayo have had zero opposition in the Championship to date. Yes that's been said of Kerry in the past but they generally get at least 1 tough game against Cork to test themselves. Add the final piece of the puzzle that Donegal brushed Mayo aside with relative ease in last year's All Ireland Final then you can't deny that Donegal have a very good chance.
All that being said I think Mayo will triumph but it'll go to the wire!
Folks does anyone know when is B Moran & Conroy back fit? Pity we haven't seen them in the Championship (I don't count Conroy cameo appearance against London) , both were flying it in the league!
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 01, 2013, 09:28:59 AM
Folks does anyone know when is B Moran & Conroy back fit? Pity we haven't seen them in the Championship (I don't count Conroy cameo appearance against London) , both were flying it in the league!
B Moran should be on the bench, and could be ready for action at some stage. Conroy tweaked his hamstring in that London cameo so more of a doubt about him.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 08:07:30 AM
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
based on......
Strange to me but Mayo seem very confident with this one and not a whole lot to back it up!!
I think Donegal have a huge chance to win this game especially if they get McHugh and Lacey back. It reminds me a bit of Dublin a couple of years ago. They got their scare too late in the year to do anything about it insofar as they didn't get a second chance.The fact Monaghan beat Donegal and they're still in the Championship should have refocussed the minds in Donegal. It shouldn't be too hard to get yourself up mentally for 3 games and then you've an All Ireland title.
Along with that Mayo have had zero opposition in the Championship to date. Yes that's been said of Kerry in the past but they generally get at least 1 tough game against Cork to test themselves. Add the final piece of the puzzle that Donegal brushed Mayo aside with relative ease in last year's All Ireland Final then you can't deny that Donegal have a very good chance.
All that being said I think Mayo will triumph but it'll go to the wire!
I think the confidence of most Mayo fans is in the team and the setup rather than a bullish arrogance that we will brush Donegal or any of the teams left aside with ease. Also to some fans it's second nature to jump on the defensive when a poster throws out a flippant line like " can't see Donegal losing this one" or " Donegal play a terrible football " or " puke football " etc....
I do however agree with your point about what use to happen to the Dubs and the first worry that started to creep into my head was how Tyrone dismantled what at the time was considered a strong Dubs team in the rain in 2008. I was at that match and when Tyrone got on top the Dubs were shell shocked to a point which almost mirrored the experience we had in 2004 when Kerry started to burn us in the first half.
This though is where James Horan and his management need to do their stuff as I feel if the players can cope with the storm/ tactics , whatever way they come, that this Donegal side will throw at them in the first quarter it will be a close game as I think the majority of blow outs in GAA are manifested in the first 10 to 20 mins.
'' I think the confidence of most Mayo fans is in the team and the setup rather than a bullish arrogance that we will brush Donegal or any of the teams left aside with ease'' Crete boom
Thats exactly it, Mayo supporters are proud of this set up . Down through the years although we have had decent teams and some outstanding individuals we now have decent individuals and an outstanding team, they will never throw in the towel and i would near put my life on it that no team is capable of embarrassing us by beating us out the gate.
I'm the first to admit as a supporter i'm an emotional wreck and down the years i've tossed the flag to one side and stormed out of croker like a spoilt brat (younger days in fairness) but even if we happen to lose on Sunday there is a steelieness about this team that makes ya proud.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 01, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 01, 2013, 09:28:59 AM
Folks does anyone know when is B Moran & Conroy back fit? Pity we haven't seen them in the Championship (I don't count Conroy cameo appearance against London) , both were flying it in the league!
B Moran should be on the bench, and could be ready for action at some stage. Conroy tweaked his hamstring in that London cameo so more of a doubt about him.
Thanks Tubberman .. i've heard so little about those two in the lead up of this match. Do you know if B Moran is doing well in training? I was a little surprised that he didn't see action against London, but than again he may not been fit enough at that stage.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 01, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
'' I think the confidence of most Mayo fans is in the team and the setup rather than a bullish arrogance that we will brush Donegal or any of the teams left aside with ease'' Crete boom
Thats exactly it, Mayo supporters are proud of this set up . Down through the years although we have had decent teams and some outstanding individuals we now have decent individuals and an outstanding team, they will never throw in the towel and i would near put my life on it that no team is capable of embarrassing us by beating us out the gate.
I'm the first to admit as a supporter i'm an emotional wreck and down the years i've tossed the flag to one side and stormed out of croker like a spoilt brat (younger days in fairness) but even if we happen to lose on Sunday there is a steelieness about this team that makes ya proud.
I agree with you on that Larry. I think Horan has learned from last year & has upped the standards for 2013. What is most impressive is that he has gotten all the players to buy into it & the biggest compliment I can pay is that Mayo look like Donegal of 2012 in their demenaour.
Doe that mean they will coast past Donegal? Of course not. But if Mayo do win I think they will go all the way as I don't see anyone else with the unity of purpose they are exhibiting at the moment.
Looks like Pope Francis is on our side. He is related to Jim on his mothers side & was reputed to be good under a high ball in his day.
https://twitter.com/officialdonegal/status/362704259260751874/photo/1
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
Right . . . there is absolutely no defending that!! Complete and utter shite of the highest order.
Next time Gallagher runs on to the pitch I hope somebody clotheslines the w**ker!!!
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 08:07:30 AM
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
based on......
Based on the fact that I actually reckon the best thing that happened to Donegal was losing to Monaghan. Any complacency that existed in preparation or on a match day is completely eradicated now and if Karl Lacey and McHugh are back on board anywhere near their best then I can't see any reason as to why Mayo will beat them. Mayo haven't played any top side this year yet and I would be worried that they don't really have anyone up front who will do a lot of damage from play. I just feel that Donegal have been gearing towards Croke Park and now that they are there they will turn it on.
Maybe Gallagher forgets that Mayo didn't actually beat them... What a load of horseshit.
Mayo people seem very confident on this one which given they're playing the AI champions does seem a bit over the top.... However between McGuinness and Gallagher and their rubbish in the media I think the neutral will favour Mayo.
Donegal have been off and need a big game if they're to win this one but they're AI champions so it could be in them. Think Mayo may sneak it but far from a foregone conclusion.
Its been along time that there has been as much shit sholved into each other faces publically between two teams. the scene is truely being set.
mayo favourites due to the form they have built up- it doesnt matter that they have not played wonderful teams, but getting their team ethic and playing style perfected is a huge thing.
Donegal are still finding their feet and this game has come one too soon for them.
Donegal are finding that having the same desire to win a second year in a row is easy to say but harder to actually do.
Individuals think they are giving their all, but invariably they are not. Close, but you need 100% to win the All Ireland.
The mayo lads are giving their 100%. They have a gameplan that they all know how to play. they have confidence and are scoring from outside the 21 yard line now.
Having a bigger panel to select from also helps mayo - as Barry moran is a huge loss to any team.
Mayo play on the edge - maybe a bit over it - this is what winning teams do. In decades gone by, mayo sides had talent but were too nice and clean and got bullied about.
ok this might not be entirely within the rules and the ref will therefore have a huge bearing on the game, but I still think that mayo are more of a cohesive unit right now than the stuttering Donegalmen.
Quote from: shawshank on August 01, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
Its been along time that there has been as much shit sholved into each other faces publically between two teams. the scene is truely being set.
And isnt it great, I would far rather see a bit of genuine bad blood that this pussy footing around each other with nothing statements to the media. Donegal been there and done and now have the confidence to back it up, Mayo growing in confidence and want to rile the champions sure isnt that what its all about.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
Dear lord but that is some pile of dung
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 01, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
It was Gallagher that used the word "collusion" Bluestack, and you know well that's very different to saying they may have "talked about" Donegal. What is the point of the Keegan reference if Gallagher isn't trying to insinuate something?
goes to prove that the origins of Gaelic games happens to be the old faction fighting between rival clans.
if there was no one else to fight, we Irish would end up fighting among ourselves.
dont know if it is a healthy or good thing, but it certainly adds spice to a game.
Croker will be like the fecking Coloseum on Sunday (and indeed saturday).
it gets the blood going- especially during the 70 mins the game is on and you dont like (almost hate) your rival fan two seats away from you (with fleeting thoughts of punching each other in the mouth). Then you are more likely to end up having a pint after the gam withthe same fella!
I miss this madness from Oct-Feb!!!!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 01, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
If the media are so "loaded" and driving this agenda why oh why does Jimmy and his pitch running sidekick Gallagher feed them so much nonsense to go on. Why does Gallagher feel the need to highlight Mayo and Monaghan discussed them? Of course a journalist will turn that into "collusion"
You are correct, of course Monaghan and Mayo will discuss Donegal, but Gallagher highlighting it is pathetic, paranoid and shit stirring.
Gallagher is an out and out antagonist on the pitch as he runs on shouting abuse and 'bumping' into players, now he's doing the same in the papers. Jimmy and Gallagher, a very unlikable duo!!!
No harm to ya Bluestack but you're just not capable of seeing it for what it is, it's natural to defend your own.
FFS man he even alludes to a wink Keegan gave a team mate after a challenge on McHugh in last years final.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
- See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.0BusPaJf.dpuf
Donegal have let themselves down and are to put it simply, shittin their knickers over Mayo.
Trying to implicate Mayo in McHugh's injury received against Monaghan is one of the most ridiculous and pathetic things I've ever heard!
In the opening game of the league I was sooo annoyed with the former Erne Gaels/ Saint Brigids/ Crosserlough/ St. Gall's man when he was running all over the place like a blue arse fly. I know his role allows him to go on but there were times that he just ran on, roared a bit at the ref, and then ran off without even going near a Donegal man.
Also he is quoted on the word collusion so let's not go down the evil media route. Sure they will lap up any controversial thing that the former Fermanagah/ Cavan player will come out with.
McGuinness is a serious operator but these two little sideshows just may as well have MIND GAMES written on them. I liked Donegal but am for Mayo on this.
On a side note I just feel that the Donegal fans have become so arrogant in the last two years. For a county that won F all in the grand scheme of things it doesn't suit them.
And that is something that Mark McHugh spoke out against already this year before any fans come on here and attack me for saying it.
f**k McGuinness, f**k Gallagher and f**k their f**king agendas, let's tear into the shower of bullmanure-manufacturing shitehawks and bate the living daylights out of them. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Seriously though, it is a massive massive game for Mayo, I hope to God we don't lose it. If we do, it's unthinkable of what could happen. :( Lose and we're gone, back to the pre-Horan days. Win and we've a semi-final coming up against a good side with no snide shite sideshows either.
I don't think any All-Ireland final Mayo have been involved in has had my blood pumping as much as this one. For the record, I wouldn't start McHale, he's a bit too slow to be thrown into the Donegal game. As for Donegal's 'injuries/unfit' talk...What injuries??? What unfitness???
Always thought Gallagher was a gobsh!te of the highest order but this really takes the biscuit.
If Donegal wanted to get a siege mentality going they've certainly succeeded now with all their bulldung.
Jaysus even I want to see Mayowr batin the cnuts now :-[
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
f**k McGuinness, f**k Gallagher and f**k their f**king agendas, let's tear into the shower of bullmanure-manufacturing shitehawks and bate the living daylights out of them. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Seriously though, it is a massive massive game for Mayo, I hope to God we don't lose it. If we do, it's unthinkable of what could happen. :( Lose and we're gone, back to the pre-Horan days. Win and we've a semi-final coming up against a good side with no snide shite sideshows either.
I don't think any All-Ireland final Mayo have been involved in has had my blood pumping as much as this one. For the record, I wouldn't start McHale, he's a bit too slow to be thrown into the Donegal game. As for Donegal's 'injuries/unfit' talk...What injuries??? What unfitness???
Haha, settle, it's still only Thursday ;)
It would be a terrible sickener if we were to lose, and it might be the end of the All-Ireland push for a couple of years, but it wouldn't be the end of Mayo football.
But I have to say I've never been looking forward to a q-final as much, or been so consumed about the build-up to a game bar an AIF.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
f**k McGuinness, f**k Gallagher and f**k their f**king agendas, let's tear into the shower of bullmanure-manufacturing shitehawks and bate the living daylights out of them. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Maybe we should call up Henry Coyle for this match lol
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
Seriously though, it is a massive massive game for Mayo, I hope to God we don't lose it. If we do, it's unthinkable of what could happen. :( Lose and we're gone, back to the pre-Horan days.
... unless we lose against a performance from a sublime Donegal ( which I don't see coming).
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
As for Donegal's 'injuries/unfit' talk...What injuries??? What unfitness???
Exactly, we're all getting distracted by the sh1t coming from off the wall comments from Jimmy & Rory show.
Rory caused plenty of Friction when he was a player, fell out with Fermanagh and played with Cavan for a season. Played a handful of games with Crosserlough, left the, in the middle of the season and back to St Brigids in time for the Dublin Club Championship. Played again with Fermanagh under Malachy O Rourke, but when O Rourke left he wouldn't play under John O Neill the new Fermanagh manager. And it let to another fall out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwYP6eesX9E
Quote from: Rossfan on August 01, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
If Donegal wanted to get a siege mentality going they've certainly succeeded now with all their bulldung.
Jaysus even I want to see Mayowr batin the cnuts now :-[
I doubt it .... Donegal supporters and players are surely more embarrassed by the comments from Gallagher rather than believing them & as a consequence creating a siege mentatlity.
This is mighty (sorry Dermot). Nothing better than a little edge to a big game.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 01, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
Rory caused plenty of Friction when he was a player, fell out with Fermanagh and played with Cavan for a season. Played a handful of games with Crosserlough, left the, in the middle of the season and back to St Brigids in time for the Dublin Club Championship. Played again with Fermanagh under Malachy O Rourke, but when O Rourke left he wouldn't play under John O Neill the new Fermanagh manager. And it let to another fall out..
Was he involved with st Galls in Aintrim too?
I would imagine most Donegal fans are embarrassed by his outburst.
Its like something you'd hear at 3am at closing time.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 01, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
Rory caused plenty of Friction when he was a player, fell out with Fermanagh and played with Cavan for a season. Played a handful of games with Crosserlough, left the, in the middle of the season and back to St Brigids in time for the Dublin Club Championship. Played again with Fermanagh under Malachy O Rourke, but when O Rourke left he wouldn't play under John O Neill the new Fermanagh manager. And it let to another fall out..
Gallagher also came out in the media whilst playing for St.Brigids saying he wanted to play for Dublin! Any man who has played for 5 clubs has to have question marks over him in my book. His antics on the sideline and pitch for Donegal is antagonistic to say the least, and now he's slobbering nonsense in the papers again. Is there a more unlikable duo in GAA than Jimmy and Rory?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 01, 2013, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 01, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
Rory caused plenty of Friction when he was a player, fell out with Fermanagh and played with Cavan for a season. Played a handful of games with Crosserlough, left the, in the middle of the season and back to St Brigids in time for the Dublin Club Championship. Played again with Fermanagh under Malachy O Rourke, but when O Rourke left he wouldn't play under John O Neill the new Fermanagh manager. And it let to another fall out..
Was he involved with st Galls in Aintrim too?
Yeah he won an All Ireland Club with Galls, had a great game in the final.
Its gas, lads getting firece worked up over sound bites. It's all irelevent comes 4pm on Sunday.
I expect Donegal to win on Sunday. I don't know where all the Mayo optimism comes from. The all Ireland final last year, Donegal went into an 8 point lead and kept the lead for the remaining 60 minutes and kept us at arms length. I don't buy into the comments that it was "there for the taking for Mayo" and that we were the better team over 60 minutes. I actually think that Donegal had another gear if needed. Both teams have the same amount of mileage on the clock over the past 3 years, accepted that Mayo has a bigger panel. I've been to CP when Mayo have been expected to win and been expected to meekly surrender. The former is usually a dissappointment and the latter an unexpected joy.
I expect that Donegal will grind out a lead over 50 minutes and we will begin to run into a brick walls and Cul De Sac's and turn over ball, start chasing the game and lose by 4/5 points. We will not score a goal. Donegal 2-10 - Mayo 0-12.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
Its gas, lads getting firece worked up over sound bites. It's all irelevent comes 4pm on Sunday.
I expect Donegal to win on Sunday. I don't know where all the Mayo optimism comes from. The all Ireland final last year, Donegal went into an 8 point lead and kept the lead for the remaining 60 minutes and kept us at arms length. I don't buy into the comments that it was "there for the taking for Mayo" and that we were the better team over 60 minutes. I actually think that Donegal had another gear if needed. Both teams have the same amount of mileage on the clock over the past 3 years, accepted that Mayo has a bigger panel. I've been to CP when Mayo have been expected to win and been expected to meekly surrender. The former is usually a dissappointment and the latter an unexpected joy.
I expect that Donegal will grind out a lead over 50 minutes and we will begin to run into a brick walls and Cul De Sac's and turn over ball, start chasing the game and lose by 4/5 points. We will not score a goal. Donegal 2-10 - Mayo 0-12.
i'd say you will be lucky if both teams score 10 points between them
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 08:07:30 AM
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
based on......
Based on the fact that I actually reckon the best thing that happened to Donegal was losing to Monaghan. Any complacency that existed in preparation or on a match day is completely eradicated now and if Karl Lacey and McHugh are back on board anywhere near their best then I can't see any reason as to why Mayo will beat them. Mayo haven't played any top side this year yet and I would be worried that they don't really have anyone up front who will do a lot of damage from play. I just feel that Donegal have been gearing towards Croke Park and now that they are there they will turn it on.
not Mayos fault that teams weren't up to scratch .I believe that they are
a very focused unit and dont buy into the idea that the fact that they haven't been
seriously tested will come against them .Its all about peaking at the right time.I
also believe that this bunch will die in their boots before they're beaten
Mayo will certainly put in a performance, of that we can be sure but I fear their achilles hill will come back to haunt them. I'm a broken record about this but Mayo's forwards are a real worry, would any of them make a forward line selected from the remaining teams in the competition? Their best forwards are all coming back from injury or are out injured and Freeman looks like the type of forward that could wreck havoc with space but will be a non-factor against a Donegal type of defence.
Mayo are up there with the best but unlike all the others they lack a forward with the X-factor, their young full forward in the minor team looks like he might have it, but none of the seniors have it. Andy Moran is the closest but he was disappointing against London and O'Connor, while developing nicely, is coming back from injury and lacks the pace to really trouble blanket defences.
This might be the weekend for Mayo to catch Donegal but I worry their lack of firepower and pace in the forward line could lead a frustrating day and a week of post-mortems here.
Hope they do it though.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 01, 2013, 12:02:56 PM
I would imagine most Donegal fans are embarrassed by his outburst.
Its like something you'd hear at 3am at closing time.
Dublin friend of mine told me about this this morning and honestly felt she was taking the piss that no one in their right mind could come out with that statement. Then I read the piece and was angry more than embarrassed. Gallagher speaks to media far to much don't see any other trainers etc talking to the media like he does. Donegal has is a proud gaa county and comments like this just make us look like a laughing stock
Quote from: Zulu on August 01, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
Mayo will certainly put in a performance, of that we can be sure but I fear their achilles hill will come back to haunt them. I'm a broken record about this but Mayo's forwards are a real worry, would any of them make a forward line selected from the remaining teams in the competition? Their best forwards are all coming back from injury or are out injured and Freeman looks like the type of forward that could wreck havoc with space but will be a non-factor against a Donegal type of defence.
Mayo are up there with the best but unlike all the others they lack a forward with the X-factor, their young full forward in the minor team looks like he might have it, but none of the seniors have it. Andy Moran is the closest but he was disappointing against London and O'Connor, while developing nicely, is coming back from injury and lacks the pace to really trouble blanket defences.
This might be the weekend for Mayo to catch Donegal but I worry their lack of firepower and pace in the forward line could lead a frustrating day and a week of post-mortems here.
Hope they do it though.
Valid concerns and ones most Mayo fans would share.
I'd hardly say Andy was disappointing against London, he set up most of the goals and plenty of points. There's a lot of confusion in some quarters as to what he's supposed to be. He's an 11, a Mark McHugh or Karl Lacey, a play-maker, not a Murphy or McFadden. His job isn't to rack up huge scores. He played last season out of position at 14 and was a lock for an All-Star but for his injury. Not many players gave the ability to do that.
Mayo need one of their out-and-out full-forwards to step up but they certainly have a player in Moran that is a marque forward. I'd say Kevin McLaughlin is of a similar calibur in what he does, it's just he's not a full-forward either. Mayo's problem isn't their entire forward line but 13-15.
Getting bored (and a wee bit embarrassed) with all this rubbish from the Donegal camp now. The Mayo folks were already whipping themselves into a frenzy of hatred (and I don't use that work lightly) and this just adds fuel to the fire.
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 01, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 08:07:30 AM
Can't see Donegal losing this one.
based on......
Based on the fact that I actually reckon the best thing that happened to Donegal was losing to Monaghan. Any complacency that existed in preparation or on a match day is completely eradicated now and if Karl Lacey and McHugh are back on board anywhere near their best then I can't see any reason as to why Mayo will beat them. Mayo haven't played any top side this year yet and I would be worried that they don't really have anyone up front who will do a lot of damage from play. I just feel that Donegal have been gearing towards Croke Park and now that they are there they will turn it on.
not Mayos fault that teams weren't up to scratch .I believe that they are
a very focused unit and dont buy into the idea that the fact that they haven't been
seriously tested will come against them .Its all about peaking at the right time.I
also believe that this bunch will die in their boots before they're beaten
Finally some sense in here, agree totally Sans. Another big change this year, is the lack of sound bites from Mayo, no players in the media giving the usual old shite "We have learned from the past, blah, blah, blah"....not a single word, silence is indeed golden,total focus is required by the team, no side shows are required...........i expect an almighty team performance from Mayo on Sunday.............if we dont win it fair enough, but this team will not lie down for any one.
Its not long ago when we were fearful of going to Pearse stadium to face Galway and we saw what Mayo team came out that day, Mayo have been going through the motions since then, The top Gaelic football teams are now all about peaking for the August bank holiday and kicking on from there.
Bring it on!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 01, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
Okay, Bluestack, I agree in the main with what you have to say about this being a media spin but I don't think I can go the whole distance with you.
Whatever the journalist has to say, I assume that the remarks attributed to Gallagher are accurately reported and they are worth looking at.
Take this for instance:
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
WTF is he on about?
How could any half-sane individual make sense of that?
How can you have a bit of collusion or a half kick some one up the arse, for that matter?
There was collusion or there wasn't; there can be no half measures.
But he doesn't claim there was as he just suspects there might have been or - maybe he doesn't.
How 'bout this?
When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'. How does he know what Lee Keegan meant when he winked at anyone or for that matter, how could he tell that Keegan winked at all?
Keegan committed an absolutely stupid foul in full view of the bloody ref and was lucky not to be sent off. Here's Gallagher insinuating that it was part of a premeditated approach.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident."No, I frigging won't.
He made the statement so it was up to him to back it up.
If Lee Keegan's tackle was premeditated and Gollogly's wasn't, where is the element of collusion between Mayo and Monaghan?
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
Not a shred of evidence to back this up either and, given what he had to say about Keegan's tackle, the inference is clear.
No, this bollix doesn't need any journalist to stir shite; he is a master of the art himself.
QuoteNo, this bollix doesn't need any journalist to stir shite; he is a master of the art himself.
Amen to that. What a load of paranoid nonsense.....he's not as good at the media management as Jim is....
Lads you're all wired up if you think this is a mistake by Jim and Rory. They're not coming over too well but the more I think of it the more it makes sense.
The bigger and bigger they make this match and the more they try and rile Mayo the much better it suits them. Mayo notoriously don't do well on the big occasion. This is a real test of Horan I think. Surely reading all this would have the players hopping off the walls and I think McGuinness wants them so hyped that they forget to play football the way they should.
The more Horan can get them to forget about this nonsense being spouted in the paper the better it will be for Mayo.
Quote from: liihb on August 01, 2013, 01:32:55 PM
QuoteNo, this bollix doesn't need any journalist to stir shite; he is a master of the art himself.
Amen to that. What a load of paranoid nonsense.....he's not as good at the media management as Jim is....
For the life of me, i can't understand why ye are all getting so het up about, i couldn't give a f**k what some trainer says, if he spouting this shite, his focus is not on what he is supposed to be doing and i'm sure the Donegal lads on the team are delighted that he is coming out with this....not, anything that takes the focus away from Mayo and their preparations has to be a good thing, no?
I remember reading an article by some journalist about the Mayo team heading to Croker to play Kerry, the Mayo team were doing interviews day in, day out and the media was all over us. The team left Mayo by plane from Knock, and it was mentioned that team were all decked out in bermuda shorts and t-shirts heading off......
The following day the same journalist was in Killarney, the Kerry team were all suited and booted in the Kerry gear and got the train up...........this Kerry team was going to war, we were going on our holidays........We know the rest......
A fully focused mindset is as important as the having the star- name fully fit...... with outbursts and shite talk are the Donegal management team in that mindset?
Where have Mayo been since the draw was made last week? not a single peep from them?
Mayo win and it's a shameful and embarrassing episode for McGuinness & Rory.
Donegal win and they're a genius partnership.
That's how our hacks will call it.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
Lads you're all wired up if you think this is a mistake by Jim and Rory. They're not coming over too well but the more I think of it the more it makes sense.
The bigger and bigger they make this match and the more they try and rile Mayo the much better it suits them. Mayo notoriously don't do well on the big occasion. This is a real test of Horan I think. Surely reading all this would have the players hopping off the walls and I think McGuinness wants them so hyped that they forget to play football the way they should.
The more Horan can get them to forget about this nonsense being spouted in the paper the better it will be for Mayo.
Agreed. Think the lads will be grand though, chatting to one of them yesterday. Very relaxed and confident.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 01, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 01, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
Okay, Bluestack, I agree in the main with what you have to say about this being a media spin but I don't think I can go the whole distance with you.
Whatever the journalist has to say, I assume that the remarks attributed to Gallagher are accurately reported and they are worth looking at.
Take this for instance:
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
WTF is he on about?
How could any half-sane individual make sense of that?
How can you have a bit of collusion or a half kick some one up the arse, for that matter?
There was collusion or there wasn't; there can be no half measures.
But he doesn't claim there was as he just suspects there might have been or - maybe he doesn't.
How 'bout this?
When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
How does he know what Lee Keegan meant when he winked at anyone or for that matter, how could he tell that Keegan winked at all?
Keegan committed an absolutely stupid foul in full view of the bloody ref and was lucky not to be sent off. Here's Gallagher insinuating that it was part of a premeditated approach.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident."
No, I frigging won't.
He made the statement so it was up to him to back it up.
If Lee Keegan's tackle was premeditated and Gollogly's wasn't, where is the element of collusion between Mayo and Monaghan?
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
Not a shred of evidence to back this up either and, given what he had to say about Keegan's tackle, the inference is clear.
No, this bollix doesn't need any journalist to stir shite; he is a master of the art himself.
You start by agreeing with a very biased Donegal man that its media spin but conclude as in bold above! Which is it then?
Quote from: ONeill on August 01, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Mayo win and it's a shameful and embarrassing episode for McGuinness & Rory.
Donegal win and they're a genius partnership.
That's how our hacks will call it.
Live by the sword . . . die by the sword!
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
Lads you're all wired up if you think this is a mistake by Jim and Rory. They're not coming over too well but the more I think of it the more it makes sense.
The bigger and bigger they make this match and the more they try and rile Mayo the much better it suits them. Mayo notoriously don't do well on the big occasion. This is a real test of Horan I think. Surely reading all this would have the players hopping off the walls and I think McGuinness wants them so hyped that they forget to play football the way they should.
The more Horan can get them to forget about this nonsense being spouted in the paper the better it will be for Mayo.
Wouldn't agree that it's having any effect on the Mayo squad. It may be getting supporters riled and selling more newspapers but it's having little impact on Mayo I'd say, they'll know exactly what they are trying to do and like all top squads they'll be preaching the 'control the controllables' mantra.
I'd also disagree that Mayo don't do well on the big occasions, this Mayo squad have generally performed very well on the big occasion so I think they'll perform on Sunday, the only question is will it be good enough. If it's not then Mayo are probably short of being an All Ireland contender as Donegal are there for the taking.
Sure was another controversial statement by the Donegal setup and you would wonder how much of it came from McGuinness himself.
As we know he's a clever man and he knew this year everybody would be out to knock them off their perch. So taking the siege mentality approach is often used by AI winning managers and it sure does work in a lot of circumstances.
If you're being completely honest, you would imagine it was very possible that Monaghan decided to try to take McHugh out of the game. He is a lot lighter and smaller than Murphy or McFadden and he has a crucial role to play. Maybe the player himself decided to do it but in my neutral eyes I would imagine that it was talked about before the match. So to me Jim & now Rory probably to have a point but its not that shocking really is it. I'm sure they discuss similar tactics re. certain players in other teams. It was just the extent of the injuries in this incident that is the major difference and Gallagher admits Gollogly probably didn't mean to "DO" him that badly.
You would kinda expect your manager to stand up for your team as much as he can, even if this means him sounding very biased or in this case a total hypocrite in condoning rough play.
Mickey Harte surprised me a lot of the years defending some of Tyrone's more unsavoury incidents.
Jim is a master at psychology and he knows now that he has caused this big furore over roughening up Donegal, so now if there is a bad tackle on Sunday, the fans will be going mad and there will be massive pressure on the ref to not deal with it.
You can call it putting unfair pressure on the ref but managers feel they have to do all in their power to win the game. It's certainly not very sporting but do they care?
I too find myself having switched from liking and supporting Donegal last year to being the opposite this year. Of course a big part of that is just being jealous that they've beaten us three years on the trot and they could go on to pass us out in the years ahead. Who knows.
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
Lads you're all wired up if you think this is a mistake by Jim and Rory. They're not coming over too well but the more I think of it the more it makes sense.
The bigger and bigger they make this match and the more they try and rile Mayo the much better it suits them. Mayo notoriously don't do well on the big occasion. This is a real test of Horan I think. Surely reading all this would have the players hopping off the walls and I think McGuinness wants them so hyped that they forget to play football the way they should.
The more Horan can get them to forget about this nonsense being spouted in the paper the better it will be for Mayo.
Exactly it's not a personal attack on Mayo people or the county it's just one of the facets ( or percieved facets) of modern management in top level sport. We mightn't like it but JMcG , Horan , Cody , Harte , Jim Gavin etc.. are all going to try and use many different means to gain that pyscholoigical edge to get to the top. Personally I don't really like it but that is they way it is and we can't railroad JMcG because he certainly isn't the first and he won't be the last to use these tactics.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
None of your business. Is there no thread for championship 2014?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Yeah there was a good forward 6 on the Junior side this year that would probably keep you in div 2 but I doubt they would want to drop down a level until they are closer to retirement age 8)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
As much as i used to dislike Meath, i now pity them, but they don't have to 62 years for the last AI. :(
Let's win one first and then we can slag til the cows come home!
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
To be fair COC only won YPotY by default last year.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
He'd be a handy back-up freetaker I suppose.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Try and conversion for screenexile.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
As we've been hearing constantly, football has moved on from those times. It's a different game now, and they haven't caught up. So, no is the answer.
Quote from: maigheo on August 01, 2013, 03:31:35 AM
Horan is one of the few managers who does not mind putting it out there that he expects his team to win each game they play and there is no mealy mouth rubbish saying that the opposition should be favs and that his team will be up against it.
Looks like the 3 in a row Connacht titles has changed his mindset then. Only two years ago after beating Galway by 6pts he tried to make us favourites for the Connacht final he even used our minor win v Mayo as to why we should be favourites.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
I would say if we're talking about top teams in the last few years then no.By all means have the craic and enjoy the banter and the games but deep down you know ye are a lower division,make up the numbers,group of nobodies.Ye have the history and fair play on that but thats all it is now.Mayo were in a similar position only 3 years ago,ie nobodies on the national stage.Ye might do something in the next couple of years,but for now,know yer place.
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2013, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Try and conversion for screenexile.
Haha! Good to see some poor lad from the wilderness that is Roscommon football grimly cling to the coat tails of a county only slightly above them as they both look longingly upwards at a level they can only dream about.
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Along expected lines, i expect Dillon in the FF line, maybe to swap with Moran. We have our first chocie 15 starting with a good subs bench, all there or there abouts fitness wise, fresh enough................can't ask for much more than that.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2013, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 01, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Mayo win and it's a shameful and embarrassing episode for McGuinness & Rory.
Donegal win and they're a genius partnership.
That's how our hacks will call it.
And that exactly how it is.
This Was not gallagher losing the run of himself
donegal Mgmt have taken a punt on raising the stakes and if it works for them it will have been a very canny move on an underperforming team and if they lose they will be the gobshites. on such thing managers make or Brak their reputations
i think this has as much to do with donegal trying to raise there own players out of their stupor as much as it has anything to do with Mayo
Live by the sword . . . die by the sword!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2013, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
How many of Mayo team that started the All Ireland final will start this game?
Players from AI 2012 in bold unlikely to play and replacements
Mayo:
1 David Clarke - Probably Hennelly
2 Kevin Keane - Probably Cunniffe
3 Ger Cafferkey
4 Keith Higgins
5 Lee Keegan
6 Donal Vaughan
7 Colm Boyle
8 Barry Moran Probably S O'Shea
9 Aidan O'Shea
10 Kevin McLoughlin
11 Jason Doherty Probably - Feeney
12 Alan Dillon
13 Enda Varley Probably - A Moran
14 Cillian O'Connor
15 Michael Conroy Probably Freeman
Spot on eh?
Just when I thought the sideshows were being forgotten about, Rory comes out with this nonsense.
When I saw the headline first on Hoganstand I thought they were just shit stirring but when I got to the end of the article I couldn't stop laughing, unbelievable stuff! Should it not be James Horan and Jimmy Nallen coming out with this kind if bitter tripe, as we were the ones who lost last year.
How the hell does he know that Keegan winked at a player and even if he did see it with his mighty eyesight, how does he know what he was winking about.
However, I do actually agree with him about Kieran Shannon to an extent, I actually said it on here last year. What business is it of Rory's if he giving him some advise. But to say that Shannon is behind all of Horan's comments is too far.
Like others I've never been looking forward to game more in my life (outside AIF). And to make it worse the week seems to be dragging on.
Just thinking that if Mayo 'colluded' with Monaghan on how to beat Donegal, Then Mayo must know how to beat Donegal? Jez, they must be worried? :P
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Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
As we've been hearing constantly, football has moved on from those times. It's a different game now, and they haven't caught up. So, no is the answer.
;D
Try winning an All-Ireland some time, it'll do wonders for your blood pressure!
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
As we've been hearing constantly, football has moved on from those times. It's a different game now, and they haven't caught up. So, no is the answer.
;D
Try winning an All-Ireland some time, it'll do wonders for your blood pressure!
Go away quietly
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
As we've been hearing constantly, football has moved on from those times. It's a different game now, and they haven't caught up. So, no is the answer.
;D
Try winning an All-Ireland some time, it'll do wonders for your blood pressure!
Be careful what you wish for there Jinxy ;)
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Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
Okay, Bluestack, I agree in the main with what you have to say about this being a media spin but I don't think I can go the whole distance with you.
Whatever the journalist has to say, I assume that the remarks attributed to Gallagher are accurately reported and they are worth looking at.
Take this for instance:
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
WTF is he on about?
How could any half-sane individual make sense of that?
How can you have a bit of collusion or a half kick some one up the arse, for that matter?
There was collusion or there wasn't; there can be no half measures.
But he doesn't claim there was as he just suspects there might have been or - maybe he doesn't.
How 'bout this?
When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
How does he know what Lee Keegan meant when he winked at anyone or for that matter, how could he tell that Keegan winked at all?
Keegan committed an absolutely stupid foul in full view of the bloody ref and was lucky not to be sent off. Here's Gallagher insinuating that it was part of a premeditated approach.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident."
No, I frigging won't.
He made the statement so it was up to him to back it up.
If Lee Keegan's tackle was premeditated and Gollogly's wasn't, where is the element of collusion between Mayo and Monaghan?
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
Not a shred of evidence to back this up either and, given what he had to say about Keegan's tackle, the inference is clear.
No, this bollix doesn't need any journalist to stir shite; he is a master of the art himself.
You start by agreeing with a very biased Donegal man that its media spin but conclude as in bold above! Which is it then?
What I said was:
Okay, Bluestack, I agree in the main with what you have to say about this being a media spin but I don't think I can go the whole distance with you.
I agreed with him that this was a media spin but the journalist was not totally to blame.
It was easy to stir things up when he had the right material to work with.
Gallagher's remarks were scripted or at least premeditated.
So I don't accept that media alone were solely to blame.
For the record, I am not annoyed in the slightest by what was said and I don't think Horan or any one with a titter of sense should be either.
That was bluster, plain and simple, and may have the opposite effect to what Gallagher had intended.
As far as I can see, nobody has taken this outburst seriously so he hasn't got what he was looking for.
In saying this, I am presuming that he didn't intend to have people making a laughing stock of him..
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Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197876#sthash.sYWa3Iiq.dpuf
For crying out loud. This is the greatest load of rubbish & proof that it is the media who are bigging this "feud"
1 Sunday's match is not "the biggest grudge match in years" Pure journalism of the worst type trying to stoke things up.
2 What is "sensational" about Mayo & Monaghan talking about Donegal. It would have been sensational if they hadn't!!
3 Nowhere does the article produce anything to support their assertion that Gallagher thought the "heavy challenge" on McHugh was pre-meditated. In fact Gallagher is quoted a couple of lines farther down "I don't believe for one minute that Gallogly went out to do the damage he did" and again "I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent anyone out to "do" anyone.
This is all crap of the highest order & I can now see all the usual suspects coming out "Donegal this & Donegal that". McGuinness will be landed on despite the fact that he isn't included in this at all & the most controversial thing in this article is that Mayo & Monaghan "discussed" Donegal. They even manage to fit in the loaded term "colluded" just for dramatic effect.
It's so comical & transparent that it's nearly funny. But I would rather spend time discussing the game that a whole day of fellas going off at the deep end about fiction like this.
If the media are so "loaded" and driving this agenda why oh why does Jimmy and his pitch running sidekick Gallagher feed them so much nonsense to go on. Why does Gallagher feel the need to highlight Mayo and Monaghan discussed them? Of course a journalist will turn that into "collusion"
You are correct, of course Monaghan and Mayo will discuss Donegal, but Gallagher highlighting it is pathetic, paranoid and shit stirring.
Gallagher is an out and out antagonist on the pitch as he runs on shouting abuse and 'bumping' into players, now he's doing the same in the papers. Jimmy and Gallagher, a very unlikable duo!!!
It's to take the pressure off the players.
All the focus is on what Jim said, what Rory said... nothing about the players at all.
Elementary dear Watson (and all that Jazz)
It works obviously otherwise managers down through the years wouldn't do it!
Awful horse shite that from Gallagher.
They're making fools of themselves at this stage
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team however two years older and wiser.
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From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team however two years older and wiser.
Bit lost here? Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team against who?
This is all sideshow stuff the purpose of which is to stir up a bit of heat to make sure the Donegal team are raring to go on Sunday.
To see interviews like these being analysed line by line is ridiculous. For starters I wouldn't believe anything I read in papers. All they are interested in is selling papers & they won't do that by understating.
To see fellas adding 2+2 and coming up with 745 is playing right into their hands as this is the reaction this interview is designed to produce. It means nothing, counts for nothing & is worth nothing unless of course the reader wants it to.
There is a game of football to be played on Sun. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's not forget this.
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Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team however two years older and wiser.
Bit lost here? Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team against who?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0819/283719-mayo/
Quote from: Kimbap on August 01, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
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Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Try and conversion for screenexile.
Haha! Good to see some poor lad from the wilderness that is Roscommon football grimly cling to the coat tails of a county only slightly above them as they both look longingly upwards at a level they can only dream about.
Aw Kimbap so cute! I love when Mayo come out to play each year... the hope, the confidence,the slight arrogance, then... the disappointment....hoping for the same again to be honest. I dont get the arrogance at all, where does it come from? really? where?
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Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Try and conversion for screenexile.
Haha! Good to see some poor lad from the wilderness that is Roscommon football grimly cling to the coat tails of a county only slightly above them as they both look longingly upwards at a level they can only dream about.
Aw Kimbap so cute! I love when Mayo come out to play each year... the hope, the confidence,the slight arrogance, then... the disappointment....hoping for the same again to be honest. I dont get the arrogance at all, where does it come from? really? where?
Bet you wish Meath were coming out again to play this year :D
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Would any of the Mayo forwards get a game with us?
Haha! It must be awful dull to be out of the championship at this time of year.
I'd say the ypoty the last two years in a row (never been done before) Cillian O Connor might scrape onto the mighty meath team,you know the lad,scored 3-3 in 35 mins coming back from injury in his last game.
Look,this is the high end of the championship,the really top teams.A meath man really has no place at this table.
Would the fact that Meath have won 6 All Irelands since Mayo's last title not give him more right to comment on this 'high end' of the Championship than you possibly?
Try and conversion for screenexile.
Haha! Good to see some poor lad from the wilderness that is Roscommon football grimly cling to the coat tails of a county only slightly above them as they both look longingly upwards at a level they can only dream about.
Aw Kimbap so cute! I love when Mayo come out to play each year... the hope, the confidence,the slight arrogance, then... the disappointment....hoping for the same again to be honest. I dont get the arrogance at all, where does it come from? really? where?
Bet you wish Meath were coming out again to play this year :D
Ah now leave him alone. Sure it's been hard on the poor lad the last couple of years. A Leinster title to end the famine since 2001 in 2010 that feck all will acknowledge is not a bad return on 12 years of football. Sure we are only humble feed in comparison?
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Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team however two years older and wiser.
Bit lost here? Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team against who?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0819/283719-mayo/
Sound. Yeah nearly back to basics! :-\ And there was i thinking we had moved on and brought in new players?
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Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team however two years older and wiser.
Bit lost here? Similar starting 15 to the 2011 team against who?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0819/283719-mayo/
Sound. Yeah nearly back to basics! :-\ And there was i thinking we had moved on and brought in new players?
The faces might be the same but they are a whole different proposition now. Hungrier, meaner, fitter, more focussed & experienced.
Mayo by 4 8)
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Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
From MayoGAA on twitter
Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AO'Shea, SO'Shea, McLoughlin, Feeney, Dillon, O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Along expected lines, i expect Dillon in the FF line, maybe to swap with Moran. We have our first chocie 15 starting with a good subs bench, all there or there abouts fitness wise, fresh enough................can't ask for much more than that.
I d have Clarkie as first 15. But the rest are pretty much it apart from Conroy when fit and possibly Barry Moran. There ll be a few switches. If Freeman brings his A game it would be a massive boost to us. He is the joker in the pack imo.
Yeah, we could do with a big game from Freeman. Would be great if he can perform on Sunday
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I think Gallagher and McGuinness are trying to deflect all attention from their team, and at the same time hoping that the Mayo lads take to the field frothing at the mouth and forget about playing football.
I'm sure if I can figure this out, Horan is wise to it, but I'd say they have succeeded to a large extent with part one, judging by the amount of print it has generated here and elsewhere.
I hope there's a sizeable Mayo contingent at the game on Sunday. I will be hoping my wireless can pick up some coverage so I can get a stream or at least mid west to find out what's going on.
Failing that, it'll be a long phone call to the aul lad
;D ;D
Just saw that....hilarious. Heard there have been 50,000 sold thus far. So I would hazard a guess at Maybe 15,000 Cavan, Donegal and Mayo and 5,000 Kerry. Probably will rise to 60,000 over today and tomorrow though.
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I think Gallagher and McGuinness are trying to deflect all attention from their team, and at the same time hoping that the Mayo lads take to the field frothing at the mouth and forget about playing football.
I'm sure if I can figure this out, Horan is wise to it, but I'd say they have succeeded to a large extent with part one, judging by the amount of print it has generated here and elsewhere.
I hope there's a sizeable Mayo contingent at the game on Sunday. I will be hoping my wireless can pick up some coverage so I can get a stream or at least mid west to find out what's going on.
Failing that, it'll be a long phone call to the aul lad
Gllagher and McGuiness haven't just randonly spouted off to the media about the McHugh injury and concussions etc, there is a reason behind it. The referee is a normal man who will be really aware of all this talk during the week and if it buys you some extra protection from him then it has worked a treat. A side effect of this talk is that it also hypes the game up a lot more than it would have been, Mayo will be fired up and maybe they will crack as per the norm when the pressure is put on. If it works then the outbursts were worth it, if it doesn't then no damage done. What was McGuiness' view on Leo McLoone taking out Joe McMahon a few years back when Joe had MM in his back pocket the whole game?
you Tyrone boys aren't slow about getting the digs into Donegal...you've had your day in the sun, move along ;-)
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
Wrong on every count ck wrong on every count.
1 They are doing this to fire their team up. Why would any manager spend the week before the biggest game of the year "deflecting attention from a team who are not firing" What an idiotic suggestion!!!
2 The media are giving them a platform because it sells papers, no other reason.
3 I think we have some excellent GAA journalists in this country who are no way slow to call a spade a spade.
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
Mayo need to be cute for the first ten minutes.
If they go out too wound up and try to impose themselves on Donegal, that'll just play into Jimmys hands.
A couple of early yellows could be the winning/losing of this game.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 09:56:44 AM
I feel that Mayo need this a lot more than Donegal. They really need to show the world that they have a set of balls.
Lose this and.....
We'll pick ourselves up and come back from more. If we were going to lie down after a humiliation, we would have done it a long time ago.
That being said, I fully expect us to win. The camp is very relaxed are raring to go. They've had August Bank Holiday weekend pencilled in since last September. Donegal are on the ropes and we are coming for them like you wouldn't believe. Mayo by 5....
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I think Gallagher and McGuinness are trying to deflect all attention from their team, and at the same time hoping that the Mayo lads take to the field frothing at the mouth and forget about playing football.
I'm sure if I can figure this out, Horan is wise to it, but I'd say they have succeeded to a large extent with part one, judging by the amount of print it has generated here and elsewhere.
I hope there's a sizeable Mayo contingent at the game on Sunday. I will be hoping my wireless can pick up some coverage so I can get a stream or at least mid west to find out what's going on.
Failing that, it'll be a long phone call to the aul lad
Gllagher and McGuiness haven't just randonly spouted off to the media about the McHugh injury and concussions etc, there is a reason behind it. The referee is a normal man who will be really aware of all this talk during the week and if it buys you some extra protection from him then it has worked a treat. A side effect of this talk is that it also hypes the game up a lot more than it would have been, Mayo will be fired up and maybe they will crack as per the norm when the pressure is put on. If it works then the outbursts were worth it, if it doesn't then no damage done. What was McGuiness' view on Leo McLoone taking out Joe McMahon a few years back when Joe had MM in his back pocket the whole game?
You're right. Them two buckos new full well what they were doing. But it's a high risk strategy that could backfire on them. Right now it seems that it has; at least there's been no media pick up of the claims by either man.
If I was James Horan, I'd be feeling quite pleased at the moment. I'd take it that the gruesome twosome is feeling the heat and that they know they're taking a big gamble in going public with their concerns.
Sure, if it works they will be seen as master strategists but if it doesn't, they've given Horan a good stick to bate them with as he psyches up his team in the run in to Sunday.
He knows they are gambling and I'm sure Joe McQuillan knows it too.
We won't know for certain if the mud they are throwing will have any influence on Sunday's proceedings but, going by public reaction, they won't get the result they were hoping for.
The build up to this match certainly seems to have got very tempestuous.
It is reminding me a bit of the 2003 AI final between Tyrone and Armagh.
A lot at stake and a lot of anxiety between the fans.
You can say what you want but Donegal's comments this week has certainly added a lot more tension to the whole thing and any tough tackles or shoulders at all now will be highly scrutinised. The fans will be reacting to any unsavoury business and I can see a lot of yellow & maybe red cards.
I wonder was Horan up at the Ulster final? No doubt they'll have watched that game a lot over the past week.
I would like to see Mayo win but I think Donegal have still got the better forwards to battle and win their own ball. It will probably come down to how much hunger and intensity both teams show on the day. Hopefully but teams will be exhausted for meeting Monaghan in the next round. ;)
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
you're like a broken record at this stage and you not even a Mayo man!
Up Donegal
Up Mayo
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
Wrong on every count ck wrong on every count.
1 They are doing this to fire their team up. Why would any manager spend the week before the biggest game of the year "deflecting attention from a team who are not firing" What an idiotic suggestion!!!
2 The media are giving them a platform because it sells papers, no other reason.
3 I think we have some excellent GAA journalists in this country who are no way slow to call a spade a spade.
Wrong on every count Bluestack wrong on every count. ;D
1. Wile they are doing this to fire their team up, they could have done so in the privacy of their training ground or whatever. By going public, they were trying to attract public sympathy for their cause.
I think they've got sweet damn all and their players know this also. You mean that a manger should not deflect "attention from a team who are not firing."
What an idiotic suggestion!!!
2. What platform?
McG was interviewed on 2FM (?) and Gallagher was quoted on Hoganstand. Neither comes within an ass's roar of any definition of a major media outlet. What extra copies have the Sindo, Indo, Times, Star, Beano or Dandy sold as a result of their idiotic rants?
I was expecting the latter two to run with it but even they didn't give it a second thought.
3. We sure do have excellent GAA journalists who are no way slow to call a spade a spade. Offhand, can you name me a couple who ran with the crap from this pair of eejits?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
Wrong on every count ck wrong on every count.
1 They are doing this to fire their team up. Why would any manager spend the week before the biggest game of the year "deflecting attention from a team who are not firing" What an idiotic suggestion!!!
2 The media are giving them a platform because it sells papers, no other reason.
3 I think we have some excellent GAA journalists in this country who are no way slow to call a spade a spade.
You'll forgive me for not feeling wrong just because you say so. A man who refuses to remove his yellow tinted glasses to see what most others can.
The facts remains that Jimmy tries to play mind games, makes a complete balls of it, buggers off to Celtic and leaves things in the hands of his well travelled side kick who makes an embarrassing scenario even worse. Lets hope we've heard the last from the deadly duo and its over to the players for Sunday.
Looking forward to 4 good games this weekend.hard to call any of them. Think Mayo to shade it although they're really untested. Expecting an intriguing battle.
Keep jimmy quiet and Rory off the pitch and we'll all get on grand ;-)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 10:38:49 AM
The build up to this match certainly seems to have got very tempestuous.
It is reminding me a bit of the 2003 AI final between Tyrone and Armagh.
A lot at stake and a lot of anxiety between the fans.
You can say what you want but Donegal's comments this week has certainly added a lot more tension to the whole thing and any tough tackles or shoulders at all now will be highly scrutinised. The fans will be reacting to any unsavoury business and I can see a lot of yellow & maybe red cards.
I wonder was Horan up at the Ulster final? No doubt they'll have watched that game a lot over the past week.
I would like to see Mayo win but I think Donegal have still got the better forwards to battle and win their own ball. It will probably come down to how much hunger and intensity both teams show on the day. Hopefully but teams will be exhausted for meeting Monaghan in the next round. ;)
He wasn't at because he was dealing with other business in Castlebar but I hear he was miked up to Malachy O Rourke for the whole match. A source close to the donegal camp even seen him winking at James Nallen when Mark McHugh went off
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 10:38:49 AM
The build up to this match certainly seems to have got very tempestuous.
It is reminding me a bit of the 2003 AI final between Tyrone and Armagh.
A lot at stake and a lot of anxiety between the fans.
You can say what you want but Donegal's comments this week has certainly added a lot more tension to the whole thing and any tough tackles or shoulders at all now will be highly scrutinised. The fans will be reacting to any unsavoury business and I can see a lot of yellow & maybe red cards.
I wonder was Horan up at the Ulster final? No doubt they'll have watched that game a lot over the past week.[/ ;Db]
I would like to see Mayo win but I think Donegal have still got the better forwards to battle and win their own ball. It will probably come down to how much hunger and intensity both teams show on the day. Hopefully but teams will be exhausted for meeting Monaghan in the next round. ;)
He wasn't at because he was dealing with other business in Castlebar but I hear he was miked up to Malachy O Rourke for the whole match. A source close to the donegal camp even seen him winking at James Nallen when Mark McHugh went off
;D
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
hold on horse-lets not confuse what a cupla eejits like ourselves are rantin about,and the professional
approach that we know JH and the team are taking to the QF
This is great craic, I haven't enjoyed myself as much in years. This game wouldn't be half the occasion if McGuinness/Gallagher hadn't spiced it up.
I fully expect Donegal to park the bus big time for the first half & get in 0-3 to 0-2 in front. More of the same in the second half only for Mark McHugh to appear with 10 minutes to go & win the game with a goal.
James Horans cap will go on fire, Pat Spillane's head will explode & Jimmy will give a gracious interview while at the same time putting us all on notice about shady goings on in Monaghan/Tyrone.
Summer in Ireland, where else would you get it!!!
If Dublin don't win it I'd like to see Mayo win out of the remaining counties.
Too many years of heartbreak and the Mayo fans deserve to experience the joy of celebrating a win.
McGuinness & Gallagher are doing themselves no favours carrying on like this - Horan imo was perfectly right to reply in the way that he did.
Some weekends football in prospect
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
Lots of tut tutting going on about the terrible twins but I'll bet everyone will be tuned in on Sunday to watch. It won't have done ticket sales any harm either. I'd say a win win all round. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:52:22 PM
Lots of tut tutting going on about the terrible twins but I'll bet everyone will be tuned in on Sunday to watch. It won't have done ticket sales any harm either. I'd say a win win all round. ;D ;D ;D
don't confuse what a load of keyboard warriors are chatting about with actual preparation of the Teams
for them that would have been a one day wonder and im convinced those comment were aimed at the donegal players anyway
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
All very sensible Heffo, not a snowballs chance I'd say
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Here is the Donegal perspective on things and it's very good analysis too with a good debate on the amount of concussions that are happening in football in general at the minute.
http://samsforthehills.wordpress.com/ , with a good honest preview from the Donegal side , and
http://footballspecialpodcast.podomatic.com/entry/2013-08-01T04_07_00-07_00 , a comprehensive debate on the match, JMcG comments and the most likely result of the game.
QuoteThis is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
There you go again, calling for good hard football, "mom & apple pie stuff", as if it's some kind of 50's dream world. It isn't, we had it before in many ways and plenty of teams still do play good hard honest football, less so at county level but it still goes on. Of course there'll be words exchanged, some cynical fouls and rubbish spouted by managers but we've crossed the line of what is good for the sport and if fans turn apologists for their own counties BS, as many have already done, then it will only get worse.
You already claimed this was great fun and would lead to greater ticket sales, well I, and most GAA fans, are not interested in some half arsed version of WWE propaganda. If Jim and James don't like each other, fine, and if they have a war of words in public that's ok and it does make it a bit more interesting for the fans but that's not all it is. Football has become too cynical on every level, whether it is mangers talking rubbish to gain some perceived advantage, players sledging, feigning injury, delaying frees to allow defences to set up or aggravating opponents and then hitting the ground if they react at all to get them sent off it all brings embarrassment to the game.
When I grew up playing football we were told never to go down as it showed weakness, now we defend divers because there was a 'strike', it's embarrassing rubbish.
Anyway, this isn't a thread about the state of football so I'll leave it at that and hopefully it will be a good game.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 02, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
He may be right about the result but his analysis is pathetic. He says he saw Mayo a few times during the league and wasn't impressed but that was the same league in which Donegal were relegated so if you're going to use the league as a barometer then Mayo are a bit ahead of Donegal. HJe could have picked the winners but he wasn't able to use an ounce of logic to explain why.
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
And biting a player on the field of play?
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
100%. All ratified at the 'Cut out the sh!te' conference
Quote from: J OGorman on August 02, 2013, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
100%. All ratified at the 'Cut out the sh!te' conference
A few more for the chop
1 Putting an end to the practise of teams getting to play all important games on their own ground _
2 A player who lies up & slams into another who is in no position to defend himself - Red Card
3 All clothes line tackles - Red Card
4 A restricted area for bainisteoir to stand during the game, no other personnel allowed out of dugout - Red card to the stand for transgressions
Quote from: StephenC on August 02, 2013, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 02, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Donegal people would be best served not to defend The Jimmy and Rory show. They are bringing embarressing shame on Donegal, they are looking like fools themselves and clearly it's a ill thought plan to deflect attention away from a team who are not firing.
For me the media haven't the balls to nail Jimmy and Rory over these crazy comments and are more keen to give them a platform so as to keep it going and stoke the fire further. A good journalist would call it like it is (pathetic and desperate mind games to deflect attention) but we are not blessed with strong journalists in this country as they would prefer to sit on the fence.
As has been said before. If Donegal win there will be no shame or embarrassment for anyone involved!
Sure why wouldn't the media print the stories it sells them papers and ye Mayo folk are lapping it up and getting riled which is exactly what McGuinness and Gallagher want. If some of this rubs off on the players then it plays right into their hands. Do you think they care what anyone thinks about them? If they win they will not give a shiney shite what stunts they had to pull to do it!
There's plenty of shame and embarrassment regardless of the result. When did the GAA become an organisation that puts winning ahead of all else? It's long since past time to call a halt to some of the rubbish that passes for gamesmanship both on and off the field. Being cynical has become a badge of honour for the top teams when the term cynical is a broad term for cowardly, idiotic, dirty, cheap actions or plain lying.
The sport of football should never be sacrificed for some cheap short term gain but when fans start thinking this type of carry on (and the on field rubbish that goes on like diving, sledging, repeat cynical fouling etc.) is ok then we slip further down the road of undermining the game itself.
Amen
This is all great mom & apple pie stuff, but the practicalities have to be addressed. How are we to arrive at this nirvana of good manners & sportsmanship without sacrificing the edge & competitive nature of championship football.
Answer that & you will indeed be a wise man.
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
And biting a player on the field of play?
If you're aware of any instances of biting that took place you should make the appropriate body aware of it.
In a recent case highlighted by one side in the media, the only shred of evidence provided by the alleged wronged party was the testimony of a doctor who was told verbally by a player he was bitten - no witnesses, no video evidence, no photos of the alleged bite and nothing else. If you have some evidence you should highlight it.
I've already said in my previous post though that all counties are at this and until the relevant authorities make the necessary adjustments then the current patterns aren't going to go away.
They could also start with getting rid of the rule where you only need 34% of delegates to disagree with a motion to have it quashed.
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
You really bit into them there, Az.
Quote. I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
+1
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
You really bit into them there, Az.
That's better out!!
Sorry, it just annoys me. Tactics don't bother me, I have to say. If it's within the rules then it's up to other teams to break them down. If someone is cynical in their fouling, then the rules should be there to deal with it. All that is fair game. But this nonsense of trying to stir up a media storm before a game, or trying to get into the heads of the opponents through the press is pathetic. And it's not exactly rocket science either, so I'm not sure why it is seen as some sort of managerial expertise. Sure I could go on Tipp FM next week, claim that Borrisoleigh are a team of sledgers, that the ref better not be intimidated by them; cast various ambiguous statements about previous injuries or incidents and say that I'm trying to protect my team from getting a serious injury.
It would be just as pathetic as what is going on now, and it's not just Donegal that are at it either.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 02, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Who's that supposed to be?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
You really bit into them there, Az.
That's better out!!
True, very cathartic :) Seriously though BSB, I know you are standing up for your county, and fair play, but I just think this is unnecessary and quite sad. I do believe pschology has a part to play in the preparation of your own team, positive reinforcement, positive thinking, focus etc, but Ye did not win an All Ireland last year on trying some cack handed psyching out of the opposition. Ye won it because ye were well prepared, with a great gameplan, and some bloody good footballers who stayed healthy and performed to their ability.
The fact that Jimmy and Rory feel necessary to indulge in this sort of stuff makes me think that maybe *they* believe they are not at the same level this year, and it's time for desperate measures.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
You really bit into them there, Az.
That's better out!!
True, very cathartic :) Seriously though BSB, I know you are standing up for your county, and fair play, but I just think this is unnecessary and quite sad. I do believe pschology has a part to play in the preparation of your own team, positive reinforcement, positive thinking, focus etc, but Ye did not win an All Ireland last year on trying some cack handed psyching out of the opposition. Ye won it because ye were well prepared, with a great gameplan, and some bloody good footballers who stayed healthy and performed to their ability.
The fact that Jimmy and Rory feel necessary to indulge in this sort of stuff makes me think that maybe *they* believe they are not at the same level this year, and it's time for desperate measures.
That's the reason they're at it IMO. Lacey not match fit, McHugh out, poor bench in comparison to the other quarter finalists. I don't think Mayo are stupid enough to fall for it either. Mayo by 2 with Freeman's ball winning inside the joker in the pack.
Hope Jimmy doesn't see this promo....couple of heavy tackles in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CCoVhvBt70
Guys can we get back to football.
Anyway just wondering who the mayo lads think is
the go-to man in their squad.
I think Dillon is a fantastic player personally , he has an eerie accuracy and can score from anywhere.
For Donegal it's McFadden of course. It's always McFadden.
Quote from: Whitnail on August 02, 2013, 05:02:09 PM
Guys can we get back to football.
Anyway just wondering who the mayo lads think is
the go-to man in their squad.
I think Dillon is a fantastic player personally , he has an eerie accuracy and can score from anywhere.
For Donegal it's McFadden of course. It's always McFadden.
Boyle for me personally, displays everything you could want from a player but not a go to man for a score. Cillian or Andy I'd like to have in the scoring zone with the ball usually.
I hope Mayo are tuned in from the start. The loss of two early goals last year ruined it for them as I thought they were the better team but couldn't pull themselves back to parity.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
This is great craic, I haven't enjoyed myself as much in years. This game wouldn't be half the occasion if McGuinness/Gallagher hadn't spiced it up.
I fully expect Donegal to park the bus big time for the first half & get in 0-3 to 0-2 in front. More of the same in the second half only for Mark McHugh to appear with 10 minutes to go & win the game with a goal.
James Horans cap will go on fire, Pat Spillane's head will explode & Jimmy will give a gracious interview while at the same time putting us all on notice about shady goings on in Monaghan/Tyrone.
Summer in Ireland, where else would you get it!!!
Great craic for Mayo and the rest of the country.I be fairly red faced if i was from Donegal.Jimmy and his mate ranting and making clowns of themselves and no reaction from the Mayo camp.Backfired big time.
Well Lads nearly out of work and the game is nearly on us.
Leaving all the shite talk by JMcG/Gallagher and the posters on both sides of the fence (some further a field) it's the football that will do the talking now. As a Mayo man it's not an unusual position to be heading with a potentially great team , up to Croker not 100% sure what to exoect from us. Thinking about it all week though the one think that we can expect from our lads is they will die with their boots on which is all we can ask for when playing the All Ireland champions.
For Mayo to win need positive answers to the following questions ,
- Does Dillion have 60 to 65 mins of a vintage Dillion performance in him becuase we need his long range points?
- Is Andy nearing his 2012 form and can he make the ball into the inside line stick unlike the final last September?
- Can Freeman keep his confidence/form on an upward curve and take the battle to Neil McGee?
- Can Aiden O' Shea outshine Neil Gallagher which would be a role reversal form the final last year?
- Will Cillian's shoulder stand up in what will be a ferocious physical battle on Sunday?
- Can we manage Lacey , Murphy and McFadden so they don't inflict the damage they did in the first 10 mins last year?
I don't know if Mayo can answer all these questions but we will give it a right rattle and where else would you want to be other than pitting you wits against the All Ireland champions , a team who ripped up all the percieved notions of how football should be played and took it to a new level , on the August bank holiday weekend!!!!!!!
Mhaigheo Abu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Kimbap on August 02, 2013, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
This is great craic, I haven't enjoyed myself as much in years. This game wouldn't be half the occasion if McGuinness/Gallagher hadn't spiced it up.
I fully expect Donegal to park the bus big time for the first half & get in 0-3 to 0-2 in front. More of the same in the second half only for Mark McHugh to appear with 10 minutes to go & win the game with a goal.
James Horans cap will go on fire, Pat Spillane's head will explode & Jimmy will give a gracious interview while at the same time putting us all on notice about shady goings on in Monaghan/Tyrone.
Summer in Ireland, where else would you get it!!!
Great craic for Mayo and the rest of the country.I be fairly red faced if i was from Donegal.Jimmy and his mate ranting and making clowns of themselves and no reaction from the Mayo camp.Backfired big time.
Ken Shannon, all this direct tampering of public opinion by you is below the Mayo back-room team.
I'd be red-faced if I was Mayo and wasn't still sunburnt from the good weather.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 02, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 02, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 02, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I agree with the lads here. I feel a bit sorry for people who can't get excited about an All Ireland quarter final without some panto villains in the guise of pseudo psychologists playing 'mind games' and 'winding people up'. FFS It's pathetic. We borrow from managers in the Premiership and elsewhere like Mourinho, Jose and Ferguson, Alex, where it has long since ceased to be just a sport, and we apply it to our own games in a bid to appear smart, or sophisticated in the mental side of the game. Jesus Christ, it's football, not Nietsche.
I've already spoken about the phenomonem of 'sledging' which I think is a cowardly dispicable thing, again under the guise of 'mind games', and diving which falls under the same heading in my view. This bullshit is another example.
People who don't feel confident enough in their own abilities as managers, players or coaches, and try to introduce some bolloxology to try and get an edge with a ref, or in the opponents mindset, because they don't feel they can just go out and play them.
Piss off with it, ye shower of apes.
You really bit into them there, Az.
That's better out!!
True, very cathartic :) Seriously though BSB, I know you are standing up for your county, and fair play, but I just think this is unnecessary and quite sad. I do believe pschology has a part to play in the preparation of your own team, positive reinforcement, positive thinking, focus etc, but Ye did not win an All Ireland last year on trying some cack handed psyching out of the opposition. Ye won it because ye were well prepared, with a great gameplan, and some bloody good footballers who stayed healthy and performed to their ability.
The fact that Jimmy and Rory feel necessary to indulge in this sort of stuff makes me think that maybe *they* believe they are not at the same level this year, and it's time for desperate measures.[/b]
That's the reason they're at it IMO. Lacey not match fit, McHugh out, poor bench in comparison to the other quarter finalists. I don't think Mayo are stupid enough to fall for it either. Mayo by 2 with Freeman's ball winning inside the joker in the pack.
Yup all the way. You got it bang on.
Mind you, I'll feel short changed if there only 2 in it at the end.
As I said to Bluestack earlier, the two lads may well be trying to psyche their own team but they got no hearing anywhere else.
One gets to blather away on 2FM for a few minutes and the other fills a few column inches on Hoganstand and that's about the height of it.
As far as I can see, no major media outlet has paid any attention to either of them. It's fair to say that whatever public reaction there has been was negative. I imagine Horan is the happier manager right now. He knows he's got them well and truly rattled.
He might even manage a smile or show some sign of emotion. (Doubtful on both counts, I know but if this doesn't jizz him up, nothing ever will.)
Quote from: Whitnail on August 02, 2013, 05:02:09 PM
Guys can we get back to football.
Anyway just wondering who the mayo lads think is
the go-to man in their squad.
I think Dillon is a fantastic player personally , he has an eerie accuracy and can score from anywhere.
For Donegal it's McFadden of course. It's always McFadden.
Agree with Ballinaman, that Boyle is a big player for us. He is having a great season so far.
I am currentely re-watching the final again and our FF line was hopeless and I've only got to the 29th minute. It was the 8th minute before they won a ball and at the stage they had lost the first 4 or 5 balls sent in. Meanwhile, Donegal's forwards had scored 1-1.
So Moran, O'Connor and Freeman are going to be key men for this game. They have to be able to win their own and either win a free, score or lay it off. Basic but something Varley, O'Connor and Conroy failed to do way too often last year.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 02, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Well Lads nearly out of work and the game is nearly on us.
Leaving all the shite talk by JMcG/Gallagher and the posters on both sides of the fence (some further a field) it's the football that will do the talking now. As a Mayo man it's not an unusual position to be heading with a potentially great team , up to Croker not 100% sure what to exoect from us. Thinking about it all week though the one think that we can expect from our lads is they will die with their boots on which is all we can ask for when playing the All Ireland champions.
For Mayo to win need positive answers to the following questions ,
- Does Dillion have 60 to 65 mins of a vintage Dillion performance in him becuase we need his long range points?
- Is Andy nearing his 2012 form and can he make the ball into the inside line stick unlike the final last September?
- Can Freeman keep his confidence/form on an upward curve and take the battle to Neil McGee?
- Can Aiden O' Shea outshine Neil Gallagher which would be a role reversal form the final last year?
- Will Cillian's shoulder stand up in what will be a ferocious physical battle on Sunday?
- Can we manage Lacey , Murphy and McFadden so they don't inflict the damage they did in the first 10 mins last year?
I don't know if Mayo can answer all these questions but we will give it a right rattle and where else would you want to be other than pitting you wits against the All Ireland champions , a team who ripped up all the percieved notions of how football should be played and took it to a new level , on the August bank holiday weekend!!!!!!!
Mhaigheo Abu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very good questions raised. IMO, we will need to answer all if not the majority of those questions to win.
While I think Boyle has been a revelation, surely Keegan is the most important HB? It's a bit moot because I think the three starters form as good an attacking HB line as there is in the country. As essential to Mayo's chances of winning as any of the two forward lines, they're very good at creating mismatches and buying space for others.
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
While I think Boyle has been a revelation, surely Keegan is the most important HB? It's a bit moot because I think the three starters form as good an attacking HB line as there is in the country. As essential to Mayo's chances of winning as any of the two forward lines, they're very good at create mismatches and buying space for others.
Boyle has outshined Keegan this year for me anyway. He has yet to reach the heights of last year. As David Brady would say Boyle would put a head were most people wouldn't put a hand, completely fearless.
Quote from: heffo on August 02, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
I think everyone would agree that they'd prefer to just see honest football played but as it stands, every top county at varying levels engage in some form of cheating or gamesmanship.
The solution is for the rule book to keep pace with the skullduggery going on and appropriate sanctions be delivered if someone crosses the line.
Rugby tackle a player through on goal - red card
Feign injury - red card
3rd man in to shoulder a player who has won a free - red card
Team management acting the bollo* in the media ahead of a game - Charge them with discrediting the association and sanction from 8 weeks up as appropriate
Etc, etc
That would be a good start imo.
Been away for a few days and just catching up.
I thought Jimmy refusing to start his post AI winning press conference until a hack '
had left the building (http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/journalist-ejection-could-be-jims-first-act-in-sam-defence-28848825.html)' was simply misguided and a fit of pique, to go with the other fit of pique with Kevin Cassidy. But it seems he may be like this a lot of the time. I have the deepest sympathy for the Donegal squad. Imagine them having to face Jimmy if they lost? He might ban them from re-entering their home county! I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. I think Mayo, out of a sense of decency, should lie down and give Jimmy whatever he wants.
Life's too short.
motm will be Richie Feeney.
interesting to listen to the irish times second captains podcast with David Brady and Oisin McConville and there views on the game.Brady said he was talking to James Horan before the connacht final and Horan guaranteed him that Monaghan would beat Donegal based on there challenge game the previous tuesday.Monaghan won that game with a last min goal and i think this game is the reason that Horan seems to be so confidant in his teams ability to match Donegal.I know alot of posters are saying Freeman could be the wildcard in this game but it will probably come down to the success Moran and Dillion have against the Donegal defense.
I hope to God Freeman can keep up his good form, but I fear he could retreat into himself if when Neil McGee starts the sledging and puts in a few hard hits.
A good start is vital so that Donegal aren't playing the game on their terms. Rattle them early and keep up the pressure and we will just have to see how well Donegal can react.
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This is great craic, I haven't enjoyed myself as much in years. This game wouldn't be half the occasion if McGuinness/Gallagher hadn't spiced it up.
I fully expect Donegal to park the bus big time for the first half & get in 0-3 to 0-2 in front. More of the same in the second half only for Mark McHugh to appear with 10 minutes to go & win the game with a goal.
James Horans cap will go on fire, Pat Spillane's head will explode & Jimmy will give a gracious interview while at the same time putting us all on notice about shady goings on in Monaghan/Tyrone.
Summer in Ireland, where else would you get it!!!
Great craic for Mayo and the rest of the country.I be fairly red faced if i was from Donegal.Jimmy and his mate ranting and making clowns of themselves and no reaction from the Mayo camp.Backfired big time.
Ken Shannon, all this direct tampering of public opinion by you is below the Mayo back-room team.
I'd be red-faced if I was Mayo and wasn't still sunburnt from the good weather.
Is Ken Shannon related to Kieran Shannon?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 02, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
I hope to God Freeman can keep up his good form, but I fear he could retreat into himself if when Neil McGee starts the sledging and puts in a few hard hits.
A good start is vital so that Donegal aren't playing the game on their terms. Rattle them early and keep up the pressure and we will just have to see how well Donegal can react.
You surely aren't suggesting that Donegal players would target him individually?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2013, 08:26:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 02, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
I hope to God Freeman can keep up his good form, but I fear he could retreat into himself if when Neil McGee starts the sledging and puts in a few hard hits.
A good start is vital so that Donegal aren't playing the game on their terms. Rattle them early and keep up the pressure and we will just have to see how well Donegal can react.
You surely aren't suggesting that Donegal players would target him individually?
The only sure way we'll know is if somebody in Croke Park winks.
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 02, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
He may be right about the result but his analysis is pathetic. He says he saw Mayo a few times during the league and wasn't impressed but that was the same league in which Donegal were relegated so if you're going to use the league as a barometer then Mayo are a bit ahead of Donegal. HJe could have picked the winners but he wasn't able to use an ounce of logic to explain why.
Had to laugh when he went back to league form. Mayo flopping in Croke Park, then how did they get to the semi final in 2011 and the final 2012? Ah, he a UTV head playing to his audience. It's like asking Midwest Radio who do they think would win on Sunday. A useless clip really!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 02, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
I hope to God Freeman can keep up his good form, but I fear he could retreat into himself if when Neil McGee starts the sledging and puts in a few hard hits.
A good start is vital so that Donegal aren't playing the game on their terms. Rattle them early and keep up the pressure and we will just have to see how well Donegal can react.
Agree, however I really think he will!!! I think Freeman has great potential and is showing us this season. Granted I know this goes against popular opinion :) If he does puts up the performance which he is capable off, I think he will be in line for an All Star (assuming Mayo win).
Anyway, and far more important, the fact is, Mayo team need a great performance from him! We really need to be potent up front. Punish at each and every chance!!!!! Those guys up front are in for one hell of a battle .. here hoping we win that battle.
Outstanding posts here by Zulu and AZ Offaly. Hats off to you boys. Wish there were more like you.
Like Crete Boom said, there are a lot of questions for the Mayo forward line to answer and we need them to come out positive for us if we're to win. I think there are question marks over 5 of the 6 starting forwards on Sunday (I'm assuming McLoughlin will be at least as good as he's been so far even if that's not been as good as last year):
Andy - is he back anywhere close to 2012 form? I think he will be
Dillon - has been poor since the Galway game, can he play well? I think he will
Cillian - will his shoulder hold up? I'm not so sure, I think this could be a problem for us as he'll take some big hits on Sunday
Feeney - will he contribute enough from the roving half forward position? I think he will
Freeman - can he carry his form against poorer teams onto the big stage? I hope he will
Honestly, I think we'll win this game by a point or two. I think the Monaghan game showed that Donegal can be beaten when they don't have their full strength team out. Lacey may start but it sounds like he's not fit and that will tell in the last 20 minutes.
I wouldn't bet against there being a player or two sent to the line in this game
Dillion and COC are the worries. Hard to see either escaping the game without a battering.
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 11:29:20 PM
Dillion and COC are the worries. Hard to see either escaping the game without a battering.
The only thing gettin battered will be the Donegal net. Two upper hogan , if anyones interested , confusion led to our clann buying two too many.
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Quote from: Goldengreen on August 02, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Who's that supposed to be?
Some 6 county celeb that no one has heard off. Not a clue that lad, Mayo by 5.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 03, 2013, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 02, 2013, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 02, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
good man Logie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ)
Who's that supposed to be?
Some 6 county celeb that no one has heard off. Not a clue that lad, Mayo by 5.
Ya, thought it was some drunk lad.
Heavy rain in Dublin Sun looks like lads
A Brolly day .
Quote from: Whitnail on August 03, 2013, 12:20:49 AM
Heavy rain in Dublin Sun looks like lads
A Brolly day .
That'll be a downer all right but that won't matter as long as the result is right.
C'mon Meeyoo! ;D
I'd just like to say if this game ends a draw Dr Hyde park will be ready for the replay ;)
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2013, 12:44:19 AM
I'd just like to say if this game ends a draw Dr Hyde park will be ready for the replay ;)
Leave the flock where they are for the moment.
I know its nothing to do with the match but isn't this a lovely Gaelic ground on Inishturk.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c69/BALLINTOY/971924_222979597850522_1864524580_n_zpsd04b69a9.jpg)
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on August 03, 2013, 03:38:44 AM
I know its nothing to do with the match but isn't this a lovely Gaelic ground on Inishturk.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c69/BALLINTOY/971924_222979597850522_1864524580_n_zpsd04b69a9.jpg)
Well sheltered from the wind in any case.
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on August 03, 2013, 03:38:44 AM
I know its nothing to do with the match but isn't this a lovely Gaelic ground on Inishturk.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c69/BALLINTOY/971924_222979597850522_1864524580_n_zpsd04b69a9.jpg)
Gleoite go leor.
I think Achill GAA's pitch is better:
(http://achill.gaa.ie/_/rsrc/1347228045617/home/HomePage_pitch.jpg)
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
I think Achill GAA's pitch is better:
(http://achill.gaa.ie/_/rsrc/1347228045617/home/HomePage_pitch.jpg)
The sandybanks was better.
Any nice settings along the roscommon coast?
Here's one. Not too pretty I know but if photogenics is your game, you can forget about Roscommon.
(http://whitehouse.ie/rossieSheep%5B.png)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 03, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Here's one. Not too pretty I know but if photogenics is your game, you can forget about Roscommon.
(http://whitehouse.ie/rossieSheep%5B.png)
I'd expect better from someone with a Roscommon education.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 03, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Here's one. Not too pretty I know but if photogenics is your game, you can forget about Roscommon.
(http://whitehouse.ie/rossieSheep%5B.png)
I'd expect better from someone with a Roscommon education.
Nathy's??
Out of that dump I could not fast enough get. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 03, 2013, 01:43:57 PM
Nathy's??
Out of that dump I could not fast enough get. ;D
Robur Nathei, Lar, Robur Nathei:
(http://www.stnathys.com/images/photo_gallery/buildings/183.jpg)
The first years are flying this year, by the way - the glory days are back ;D
Ahem. To tie this back to
Mayo Roscommon, I look forward to Andy picking up his second All-Ireland winners' medal after Nathy's famous All-Ireland Colleges' B title in 2000, under Mayo's greatest manager, Johnno.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
I think Achill GAA's pitch is better:
(http://achill.gaa.ie/_/rsrc/1347228045617/home/HomePage_pitch.jpg)
The sandybanks was better.
Any nice settings along the roscommon coast?
Looks lovely.....ever play there is February???
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 03, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
I think Achill GAA's pitch is better:
(http://achill.gaa.ie/_/rsrc/1347228045617/home/HomePage_pitch.jpg)
The sandybanks was better.
Any nice settings along the roscommon coast?
Looks lovely.....ever play there is February???
Anything's better than Salthill.
This weekend will show that form in the current game holds up.
The obvious is therefore on the cards with Mayo, Dublin, Kerry and Monaghan all going to win.
Mayo and Dublin will win by 6 or more points. Kerry should win by a bit more and Monaghan will be close, a point or so.
Just thinking last year in the AI final we had Conroy, Barry Moran, Clarke fit. We had Dillon, Cillian, fitter. All the talk this week has been of Donegal and their injuries! But we really are the ones filling gaps!
Where's the Croke Park box office collection point for Ticketmaster?
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 03, 2013, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 03, 2013, 05:59:31 PM
Where's the Croke Park box office collection point for Ticketmaster?
http://www.ticketmaster.ie/seatingchart/196746/10882
Thats where I thought. Thanks AOAS.
So here we are, less than 24 hours to go, having watched tonight's games, the Dubs flying and Tyrone grinding things out and over-relying on Kavanagh.................
So where are Mayo at;
.Not tested by any team yet; yet Galway and Roscommon acquitted themselves well in the Qualifiers...........
.Since the Connacht Final, not a word from the Mayo camp...........its all low key and very business like...........makes a change for us
.Having watched Mayo for over 20 years, there is a different hard edge to them, built on a team ethos and a constant, learning,
evolving programme.
.Mayo have blooded close to 23 lads in this years championship, different gameplans worked on, we are no longer a plan A team with
no back up
. Mayo have been around for a few years now.........we know what is required to win tomorrow, we have also a good blend of youth
and experience
. We have a manager and backroom team that are as good as any in the country, as i said to see Jimmy Nallen around there too is an
absolute positive
So where do i feel Mayo are at?
This was always going to be the start of the championship for Mayo and the plan had always been for this weekend. I expect a Mayo team tomorrow, fresh and rearing to go.............we certainly wont get it all out own way, but Hunger, freshness and a sense of "revenge" will put us ahead of Donegal tomorrow.
Mayo by 4.
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I'm not convinced about Mayo. Donegal by 2.
Ulster men going for Donegal, Connacht men going for Mayo. No surprises there.
What does Jinxy have to say? He's the arbiter of truth on this one.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London, if we get ahead we will consider every score a punch to the head of that monumental ignoramus.
Mayo by a long way, ad then great difficulty controlling the hype.
I think Mayo will win, but not by much. But I'm genuinely surprised by the level of confidence from Mayo posters on here. From where is it coming after so many big game defeats in recent years?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 04, 2013, 02:27:21 AM
I think Mayo will win, but not by much. But I'm genuinely surprised by the level of confidence from Mayo posters on here. From where is it coming after so many big game defeats in recent years?
Not so much Mayo lads on here but I am quite surprised about how much Donegal have been completely written off for this game. I must have either read or heard between 15 to 20 match previews in recent days and the only person who has picked Donegal has been Adrian Logan (who always picks an Ulster team anyway). If you went by the punters and commentators then this game is close to a no contest in favour of Mayo. I know Donegal haven't yet scaled the heights of last year (and maybe won't) but they can't be that bad surely.
Looking forward to the three games tomorrow.
It's a big game for both Mayo & Donegal although a loss (by a couple of points) wouldn't be the end of the world for either of them - the loser will have been beaten by a good team and both have injured players that they can hope to have back for next year.
On that front, I hope Barry is fit enough to play a bit tomorrow, he would be a great man to bring off the bench in the last 15 minutes to win some ball.
Maigh Eo abu
Must be the fact that I'm away so long, cannot understand the (over) optimism of my county men, although it is a refreshing change from the beal bocht & yerrah that takes over most counties at this time of the year.
If Muppet says we'll hammer then than that's good enough for me
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 07:50:59 AM
Must be the fact that I'm away so long, cannot understand the (over) optimism of my county men, although it is a refreshing change from the beal bocht & yerrah that takes over most counties at this time of the year.
If Muppet says we'll hammer then than that's good enough for me
That erm prediction was made at 2am. On mature reflection I think we will win it by 4. One of these days we will start properly against a big team outside Connacht, and today would be a good day to do it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 04, 2013, 02:27:21 AM
I think Mayo will win, but not by much. But I'm genuinely surprised by the level of confidence from Mayo posters on here. From where is it coming after so many big game defeats in recent years?
I think there is a world of difference between confidence and arrogance and I don't think you'll find very much of the latter on here- not from serious potters at any rate.
I'm feeling reasonably confident for a number of logical reasons - no more and no less.
This will be Donegal's third tough match in as many weeks and have to be feeling somewhat jaded. Mayo doesn't have this problem and Horan had every reason to tailor the training regime to have his side geared up for the quarters as they cruised through Connacht. No point in trying to peak for every match along the line.
Mayo should be the fresher of the two.
Mayo have relatively few injuries while Donegal seem to have some key players out injured or have doubts about their fitness
Mayo went in to last year's final without their single most important player, Andy Moran; today he's back.
Rory Gallagher's bizarre tirade shows that Donegal are feeling the pressure. It's alright saying that he did it to psyche up his own team but it was a high risk gamble. I don't think he could instil confidence in any team going by the reaction to his claims. This ranged from mild bemusement to outright ridicule. It will certainly have psyched Mayo up but it can't have done much for the Donegal team's confidence.
I could go on and on but that's enough to suggest to me that Mayo have a mighty chance of winning.
Am I mildly confident?
Yes
Am I wildly confident? No.
3 hrs to go now before the real talking begins. Have to say I can't remember us going into a match as well fancied by bookies and pundits against highly ranked opposition as we are today, along with the confidence of the fans. If Jimmy Mc was looking for ammo to build a seige mentality he's surely got it! I believe we will do it as long as we perform and play as well as we are capable of playing. We hit the ground running with our A game and we will win, simple as. If we don't then the doubts will rise. A lot of people pointing to uncertainty over the fitness of Dillon, Moran, O'Connor but, as important as these guys are, I really feel the sum of this whole Mayo squad is greater than the sum of the individual parts. Us by 2-3 pts.
Don't expect much of a spectacle in this match but it will still be compelling viewing especially since all the verbals in the last week. Hopefully the game goes down to the wire and this will be the first true test as regards the ability of this Mayo side. I fancy Mayo by 2 points.
Best of luck to Mayo
Murphy Out? Twitter rumour...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Murphy Out? Twitter rumour...
Donegal out too if that's the case.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Murphy Out? Twitter rumour...
He is taking full part in warm up. Interview pitchside with Martin McHugh shows him in the background.
Muphy plays however Declan Walsh for Karl Lacey. Mark McHugh for David Walsh
Mark McHugh starting - that 5cm tear in the quad fairly healed quickly!
So much for protecting players Jimmy. McHugh had concussion and a 5cm tear in his quad and he now starts - joke
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
Mark McHugh starting - that 5cm tear in the quad fairly healed quickly!
McGuiness talks about player welfare and plays Mark McHugh!!! ::)
Quote from: Declan on August 04, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
So much for protecting players Jimmy. McHugh had concussion and a 5cm tear in his quad and he now starts - joke
Same page today Declan. :D
Lacey a huge blow how fit is McHugh and can Murphy find last years form?
Indeed
Good start. Barrett on for who?
Just the start Mayo needed.
Class finish
Ha! Loved the Mayo fan in the Kerry jersey 8)
1-3 to 0-1 Mayo
Mayo. Yeeehaa.
Quote from: Declan on August 04, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
So much for protecting players Jimmy. McHugh had concussion and a 5cm tear in his quad and he now starts - joke
At least we can all say that McGuinness has absolutely no form this year in making up stories about horrors inflicted on his players. The same miraculous healing powers that healed a 5cm muscle tear must've removed the marks from the bite McBrearty got.
Nice form from the two Donegal lads berating the ref into issuing a yellow card there.
Vert soft goal for Mayo well on their way to winning now.
wheres big sean when you need him !
That was a poor goal to concede for any side. Let alone for Donegal who never usually leave so much free space right in front of their goal.
Keeper should have taken man, ball and everything! ;)
Was McFadden trying to get A O'Se sent off there?
Quote from: glens73 on August 04, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Was McFadden trying to get A O'Se sent off there?
Rhetorical?
Where are all the doom merchants. Cynical tackles, rugby tackles, trying to get players sent off and lying on top of men after fouling.
Mayo looking really focused here and Donegal rattled. Very poor atmosphere.
Quote from: glens73 on August 04, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Was McFadden trying to get A O'Se sent off there?
Looked that way to me alright.
Donal Vaughan on the ground clutching his face again??
Two very niggly teams here. Plenty of cheap shots going in on both sides.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2013, 04:40:10 PM
Two very niggly teams here. Plenty of cheap shots going in on both sides.
Considering both teams are at it, is it wrong to enjoy it?
Twice as much nasty 'cheating' here today compared to yesterday. I would love if this game was on RTE with Joe on analysis.
Donegal aren't coming back from this.
Great pace about the game. Mayo are in serious form and will take some beating
Go easy on us in the Semi.
The way this game is going Mayo will win by at least ten points, Donegal as poor as they were in the Ulster final
Donegal look like a very tired team!
Have Donegal ever defended so poorly under McGuinness?
Phenomenal first half performance from Mayo. Best I've seen in a long time.
That's the most impressive 35 minutes in the championship so far. Serious favourites for Sam now
Fair play Mayo, that was massively impressive. Maybe Galway and Roscommon weren't that bad after all? :D
As Sidey said, do Donegal have collective concussion.
Quote from: Declan on August 04, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
That's the most impressive 35 minutes in the championship so far. Serious favourites for Sam now
All you need now is Heffo's +1
cant see us causing mayo much damage in the semi
The O`Sheas are a fearsome midfield pairing, best midfield in the country, AO`Shea by far the man of the match so far, Would have worries about the Mayo Goalkeeper, hes a bit effy, plus Moran not fit yet.
Mayo murdering Donegal on kickouts and every other area.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 04, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
That's the most impressive 35 minutes in the championship so far. Serious favourites for Sam now
All you need now is Heffo's +1
+1 on both posts
Syferus will be wetting himself with indirect glory.
That looks like the best Mayo team i seen in my time, going back to 1990, some of the older mayo hands would be fit to give a better opinion
Brilliant by Mayo. Amazing performance.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Syferus will be wetting himself with indirect glory.
;D
Cillian O'Connor on fire. On review he did really well not to foul the Donegal back in the lead up to his goal.
Mark McHugh at fault for both goals as well, two bad mistakes. Mayo men running by him like he is not there.
On a side note, the tyrone lads are right, there is alot of mouthing going on, (mostly by donegal) trying to get players booked. Some of the Mayo efforts at tackles are pretty poor too. AO`Shea hit was a foul but never a yellow card plus McFadden must been clipped by the invisible man going down holding his head like that poor stuff!!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
Brilliant by Mayo. Amazing performance.
Some half from Mayo...glad im holidaying there this year :-)
We've just heard it from McHugh - Donegal have had their heads turned by dinner dances!
Donegal in reality have been poor all year and i think other teams lacking self belief is the main reason they have made it this far. Donegal will win the 2nd half as Mayo tend to go into their shell when they are so far ahead.
Is it too early to take AOS off and bring big Barry in? O'Se being targeted as he's on yellow and will be lucky to last the 70.
Best half of football I've seen in a long time. Mayo fell apart after doing similar to Dublin last year but that isn't going to happen today.
Couldn't see past Mayo but even I didn't think it would be so comprehensive. It's there for them this year.
Quote from: Chimley on August 04, 2013, 05:06:42 PM
Is it too early to take AOS off and bring big Barry in? O'Se being targeted as he's on yellow and will be lucky to last the 70.
Sounds like a good shout alright, maybe give APS ten after the break and if it's still well in hand bring Moran on.
A O`Shea the main reason this team is so good
Has Jimmy done anything to stop Donal Vaughan?
this si the worst title defence in history. Donegal are a shambles
Back to earth with a bang for Donegal. A defeat like this will spell the end for this squad.
Could this, perversely, motivate Donegal next year?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 05:16:48 PM
this si the worst title defence in history. Donegal are a shambles
Can't remember a worse one. Mayo still untested :P
Well someone did say on twitter earlier that when Donegal go down they tend to go down in flames.
If it pans out Mayo and the Dubs will be some final
UNBELIEVABLE
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 04:58:58 PM
That looks like the best Mayo team i seen in my time, going back to 1990, some of the older mayo hands would be fit to give a better opinion
For all our all Ireland final losses, '96 was the only year where we were the best team in the country.
I think this team is probably better than that but and this isn't soft chat but I still think Dublin are better than us.
However this is very satisfying
4-12 from a team that has no marquee forwards is some return, about time people realised COC is in the same league as Gooch and BBrogan etc
Awful stuff from Eamonn McGee
disgusting stuff from mc gee
I wonder will Jim leave Celtic by mutual consent soon!
I wonder does McGuinness think standing on lads necks will lead to serious injuries
Reminds me of Meath trouncing Kerry in the 2001 semi-finals. Only worse.
McGhee deserves 6 months for that... disgusting!!!
McGuinness has turned Donegal from nearly everyone's second favourite county to one that the majority want to see get beat
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 04, 2013, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 04:58:58 PM
That looks like the best Mayo team i seen in my time, going back to 1990, some of the older mayo hands would be fit to give a better opinion
For all our all Ireland final losses, '96 was the only year where we were the best team in the country.
I think this team is probably better than that but and this isn't soft chat but I still think Dublin are better than us.
However this is very satisfying
4-12 from a team that has no marquee forwards is some return, about time people realised COC is in the same league as Gooch and BBrogan etc
As I said elsewhere on the boards after attending the donegal v laois match.....donegal are going to get an awful tanking and Mayo are the team to do it. Unfortunately my own county are next....
Can't see Mayo beating Tyrone based on this performance, will need to up it another level.
Rory Gallagher is at present putting together a press statement lamenting the clear Mayo tactic of targetting the Donegal net.
Fantastic stuff from mayo. Criost agus muire leo i mbliana and they are better than last year. Tyrone are a season or 2 behind them.
I hope Mayo have played their final today.. They have been awesome... Tyrone will do well to stay with them unfortunately... but ye never know
It's going to be a long drive home tonight to Donegal....
I like the ruthless Mayo.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 04, 2013, 05:30:09 PM
I wonder does McGuinness think standing on lads necks will lead to serious injuries
+1
Great Post
Good f88king riddance Donegal.
Go away, don't hurry back, and take your shite style of football with you.
Man of the match sent off.
O Se won't get suspended for two yellows, right?
I think I see now where Mayo posters' confidence was coming from.
Ferocious performance. Hard to see anyone beating them if they play like that.
Some display by Donegal. They'll be missed ;)
A Tyrone defeat would have capped a great weekend.
Well done Mayo. Tyrone will always be tough and Dublin will still be favorites.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 04, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
Well done Mayo. Tyrone will always be tough and Dublin will still be favorites.
Dublin have frightening pace and are still massive favourites. They destroyed Mayo in the league semi-final.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 04, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
Well done Mayo. Tyrone will always be tough and Dublin will still be favorites.
I think mayo are better than the dubs.
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2013, 05:56:36 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 04, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
Well done Mayo. Tyrone will always be tough and Dublin will still be favorites.
I think mayo are better than the dubs.
far better. Mayo are clear favourites and I'm being genuine. I've said it from early on this is Mayo's year.
Ha ha I'm wrong as usual. Just checked on Paddy Power. Mayo are 5/4. Dublin are 6/4.
I think David Brady is confusing condone with condemn.
Another great day for Mayo to be followed by the predictable vale of tears? Hope not. Hope they go all the way!
I was delighted to see Donegal get their year in the spotlight last year but hated their football style - Let's hope today's defeat sees the end of that nonsense and defensive/negative football strategy Donegal-style is done and dusted
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Rory Gallagher is at present putting together a press statement lamenting the clear Mayo tactic of targetting the Donegal net.
I like that one! ;D ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 04, 2013, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Rory Gallagher is at present putting together a press statement lamenting the clear Mayo tactic of targetting the Donegal net.
I like that one! ;D ;D
Being serious, that was an awesome performance. Has a team ever been that ruthless in going for the jugular. For all the fawning over Dublin recently they are still incredibly shelfish when going for goal. McLoughlin and vaughan showed how it should be done.
Unbelievable. Well done Maigh Eo.
Really hope ye can win it out this year.
Not just because I picked ye from the start either!
Some performance from Mayo and it looks like a Dublin Mayo final in all reality and as long as Mayo don't get finishing line stage fright they could win it.
Well that went well, as I have said previously,this is a well drilled, well managed, hungry team. A good side line behind them.....no more shite talk about tests, no forwards, Connacht been weak, 61 point winning margin in 4 games.....job done....
The next challenge will be to deal with being favourites in the semi-final.....onwards and upwards...as for the vale of tears comment earlier, shutter......this is as good a mayo team as we ever have had.....not won anything yet though.....
Finally, I heard that Mc Guinness was gracious in defeat....good, now off to CEltic with him and his super psycology.....
Maith Eo Abu!!
Looking forward to the drive home this evening, the wind is at our backs......
Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher has sensationally blamed the Dublin Bus strike for the team's heavy defeat to Mayo in today's All-Ireland quarter-final.
"They've a duty of care to their passengers and public", said the former Fermanagh, Cavan, Erne Gaels, St. Galls, St. Brigid's and Crosserlough stalwart.
"Stopping work to allow Mayo to drive their whole fleet through our defence is a gross violation of health and safety rules. We'd heard that today was a double-decker bill at Croke Park but that was not what we were expecting."
"Now we're left with two broken down coaches to tow back to Donegal, emperor's new clothes for the players and only a badly torn blanket for shelter."
Whilst Mayo were good today I really don't understand how they are now favourites for the AI. That mental block of choking with the finishing line in sight would be more than enough to lean me towards Dublin.
Dont think Jim helped his players at all with his highlighting of supposed singling out of players, Mayo seemed to take offend at this and combined with last yr defeat was well up for this. Any other team would have slowed up once in control but Mayo were determined that Donegal would never forget this game after losing the all-Ireland last year. O`Shea should have been taking off and Moran get a run out!!
No one will be able to live with Mayo this year
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 06:59:29 PM
Whilst Mayo were good today I really don't understand how they are now favourites for the AI. That mental block of choking with the finishing line in sight would be more than enough to lean me towards Dublin.
You were wrong on them before the match so it probably would have been too much to ask to be right on them after the match. Deserved favourites.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
No one will be able to live with Mayo this year
Totally agree Mayo for Sam I've got the bunting up. We're playing Kerry in the 3rd 4th playoff.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
No one will be able to live with Mayo this year
Totally agree Mayo for Sam I've got the bunting up. We're playing Kerry in the 3rd 4th playoff.
I think your sarcasm and logic circuits got a little scrambled there, boss.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 06:59:29 PM
Whilst Mayo were good today I really don't understand how they are now favourites for the AI. That mental block of choking with the finishing line in sight would be more than enough to lean me towards Dublin.
You were wrong on them before the match so it probably would have been too much to ask to be right on them after the match. Deserved favourites.
Yeah yeah just an opinion but I wouldn't be putting Mayos name on the trophy just yet. Losing the mantle of AI chokers will be the biggest stumbling block I feel and whilst I much prefer Dublins footballing style I would like to see Mayo break their long wait for a title.
The carry on with McGee was a absolute disgrace, he looked where he was stamping, and had enough time to actually decide to miss his head and do the back instead. Man bound knew he get the line for that. Was it a case of get me of the pitch as the team was been hammered??
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
No one will be able to live with Mayo this year
Totally agree Mayo for Sam I've got the bunting up. We're playing Kerry in the 3rd 4th playoff.
I think your sarcasm and logic circuits got a little scrambled there, boss.
No sarcasm here son. I've tipped Mayo for months- unlike most.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
No one will be able to live with Mayo this year
Totally agree Mayo for Sam I've got the bunting up. We're playing Kerry in the 3rd 4th playoff.
I think your sarcasm and logic circuits got a little scrambled there, boss.
No sarcasm here son. I've tipped Mayo for months- unlike most.
It'd be a second place play-off, cap'n.
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
Jaysus but that was some one sided game.
Donegal really hit the end of the road today while Mayowr were pretty awesome. Hope ( for their sakes ;)) they haven't peaked as it will be some going to replicate that display twice more.
Or were Donegal just terrible?
At least we held them goalless. :-\ so SyfÃn probably has us installed as favourites for Sam 2014.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
True, but everywhere else Dublin are stronger particularly in the forward division and on the bench and significantly they have the Cluxton weapon to avoid midfield kick out duels.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
True, but everywhere else Dublin are stronger particularly in the forward division and on the bench and significantly they have the Cluxton weapon to avoid midfield kick out duels.
Some of the Clux's kick-outs have been pretty poor lately. Must be all that trotting up the field.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
True, but everywhere else Dublin are stronger particularly in the forward division and on the bench and significantly they have the Cluxton weapon to avoid midfield kick out duels.
Some of the Clux's kick-outs have been pretty poor lately. Must be all that trotting up the field.
Definitely didn't have his best game last night in terms of possessions secured from own kick out. However it's more a case of opposing teams closing down space for short kicks. Still looking at his scoring rate it's a clear advantage in a tight contest to have the weapon of his long range free kicks. He is still the best keeper in the game by a distance in terms of kicking.
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
I like the ruthless Mayo.
I have being saying it all year, the best team in Ireland is Dublin and a close second is Mayo. Two squads that are not getting the respect the deserve. That said Tyrone and Kerry will be no walkovers.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
True, but everywhere else Dublin are stronger particularly in the forward division and on the bench and significantly they have the Cluxton weapon to avoid midfield kick out duels.
You seriously think mayo's half abck line is a weakness? easily as good as ours. Only advantage we have is a marquee forward line that is in patchy form.
Bad tanking for Donegal - they looked just completely empty. But these results happen and teams come back. No doubt Donegal will be back next year, as long as McGuinness stays on. Good to see McGuinness and Horan shaking hands at the end and showing a bit of sense.
Currently on Paddy Powers
Mayo 5/4
Dublin 6/4
Kerry 5/1
Tyrone 9/1
I don't believe Mayo are ahead of Dublin. Kerry and especially Tyrone are still very dangerous. But this must be the first time Paddy Powers ever presented odds like those.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 08:13:05 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
I would still say Dublin has got a better team than Mayo except in 1 crucial area in round middle of the field plus the dubs full back line is untested. I think everyone has pushed Mayo and the dubs to the all-Ireland final already but there is bound to be an upset be it not a big one in the semis. I Still think Kerry are very dangerous and could turn the dubs over. mayo will look to get their hands on O`Neill and Cavanagh and if they hold these 2 players tyrone have not got the scoring power elsewhere to win the game, but again Tyrone could win the semi too. Its just to hard to call
mayo are better at midfield and in the full back line. fairly clear advantages
True, but everywhere else Dublin are stronger particularly in the forward division and on the bench and significantly they have the Cluxton weapon to avoid midfield kick out duels.
You seriously think mayo's half abck line is a weakness? easily as good as ours. Only advantage we have is a marquee forward line that is in patchy form.
Not at all, they are good players and Vaughan was excellent today but Dublins 2 wing backs, in particular McCaffrey are potent attacking weapons. For me McCaffrey is the most exciting young player in the country, his pace is frightening and all he wants to do is constantly bomb forward.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 04, 2013, 08:19:13 PM
Currently on Paddy Powers
Mayo 5/4
Dublin 6/4
Kerry 5/1
Tyrone 9/1
I don't believe Mayo are ahead of Dublin. Kerry and especially Tyrone are still very dangerous. But this must be the first time Paddy Powers ever presented odds like those.
Looking at those odds it seems a shoe in for a Dublin v Mayo final. It's hard to argue but I wouldn't like to be backing either side at almost odds on prices, ridiculous prices really. Whether they will win the semi finals or not is debatable but both Kerry and Tyrone have proven winners in their ranks and will have no fear of either Dublin or Mayo. Both Kerry and Tyrone are probably stronger mentally than their opponents but still think the momentum is with Dublin and Mayo.
Goes back to the Leauge really.
The Tyrone match was strange it really could have gone either way. Every other game in 2013 Leauge& championship was kinda like today .... directionless.
With the half forward line stuttering and unable to take scores or keep posesson. It's been long balls pumped into Murphy's general direction with i"d say about 75% of scores comming from McFadden &Murphy frees.
I think alot of Donegal people hoped the style would evolve as the system ,to work, required the type of fitness level ahletes train for in the Olympic games!
There was too much unprofessionalism in the Leauge and you can't just flick a switch and arrive at championship level competitiveness after very souless aimless losses.
There still a great bunch of lads and as Martin McHugh said " free cars from garages and alot of dinner dances and that there"
Well done Mayo and best of luck with the elusive Sam. So hard to say how good you were exactly today as your opposition were so farcical but I reckon it's the right level for another final and maybe more.
Lest anyone forgets, Tyrone and Kerry are haven't gone away, you know. They were the teams that dominated the last decade I wouldn't write off either just yet. I'll wait until after the semis before I'd put money on Mayo, or for that matter the Dubs, going the whole way.
I think Mayo are ideally placed as they are still in the development stage and haven't peaked yet. How much more Horan can coax out of them remains to be seen.
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Gallagher accuses Mayo of "colluding" with Monaghan
01 August 2013
Donegal selector Rory Gallagher with manager Jim McGuinnessSunday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final between Donegal and Mayo is rapidly becoming the GAA's biggest grudge match in years.
It follows sensational claims made by Donegal assistant manager Rory Gallagher that Mayo offered advice to Monaghan on how to beat the All-Ireland champions when the counties met in a challenge match before the Ulster final. And this has led Gallagher to believe that the heavy challenge by Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly that forced Mark McHugh's early withdrawal, and which left the Kilcar man with concussion, a burst ear drum and a quad muscle injury, was pre-meditated.
"Maybe we suspect there was a bit of collusion between Monaghan and Mayo," Gallagher said in the Irish News.
"Bear in mind Lee Keegan's tackle on Mark McHugh at the start of last year's All-Ireland final. When Lee Keegan got booked, he came out and winked at a team-mate as if to say 'job done'.
"I don't believe for one minute that Gollogly went out to do the harm he did. He went out to hit him hard, but our player came out of it badly. I know Gollogly hurt himself as well.
"I don't believe Malachy O'Rourke sent any player out to 'do' anyone. That is not in his nature. But ask some of the top referees to view the incident. Was it a dangerous tackle? It was reckless and dangerous. At the end of the day, that deserves a red card."
The former Fermanagh star also claimed that well-known sports psychologist and journalist Kieran Shannon is advising Mayo manager James Horan on what to say to the media.
"I think Horan works to a pre-mediated script and I think Kieran Shannon is behind a good bit of it," Gallagher continued.
"I know Shannon fairly well. He was involved with Fermanagh when Malachy O'Rourke was there. I think Shannon is behind Horan's statements."
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 04, 2013, 08:19:13 PM
Currently on Paddy Powers
Mayo 5/4
Dublin 6/4
Kerry 5/1
Tyrone 9/1
I don't believe Mayo are ahead of Dublin. Kerry and especially Tyrone are still very dangerous. But this must be the first time Paddy Powers ever presented odds like those.
Mayo ahead of Dublin because Dublin have the tougher semi final and are thus a little less likely than Mayo to make the final.
After watching the McGee incident on the Sunday Game it is without doubt the worst incident I have seen on a football pitch.Tyrone have been no angels over the years but stamping on another person's neck on purpose could have caused serious damage.
So is O'Shea getting man of the match and getting sent off a rotten disgrace as well?
Hi guys,
Tactical analysis of Mayo's slaughter of Donegal now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7510
Emmet
Would agree that the McGee incident was bad looking but has got overlooked because there is no need for any analysts to pursue their agendas since Donegal are out of the championship. I generally don't like to see players publicly being hung by salaried armchair panellists but the inconsistency is alarming.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 04, 2013, 08:35:37 PM
Lest anyone forgets, Tyrone and Kerry are haven't gone away, you know. They were the teams that dominated the last decade I wouldn't write off either just yet. I'll wait until after the semis before I'd put money on Mayo, or for that matter the Dubs, going the whole way.
I think Mayo are ideally placed as they are still in the development stage and haven't peaked yet. How much more Horan can coax out of them remains to be seen.
They've gone far enough away that it would be a major, major shock if either scores more than a moral victory over Mayo or Dublin.
Not on to gloat, just to remind all the Donegal lads on here during the week that your manager contributed to the shambles that was in cork park today. He won you an all ireland last year but this year he has been a bit of a disaster. His bullshit media talk has backfired and helped Mayo seal a fine win today. Hope he looses the ego and gets Donegal back on track next year
Great to see another 2 Ulster teams taken out back and blown away today, but to the Mayo man somewhere ITT who suggested that Cillian O'Connor is already on Colm Cooper/Bernard Brogan's level, I would say he's nothing more than the next Ray Cosgrove right now.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 04, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Great to see another 2 Ulster teams taken out back and blown away today, but to the Mayo man somewhere ITT who suggested that Cillian O'Connor is already on Colm Cooper/Bernard Brogan's level, I would say he's nothing more than the next Ray Cosgrove right now.
And there is nothing wrong with that? The lad is 21 and coming back from injury!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 04, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Great to see another 2 Ulster teams taken out back and blown away today, but to the Mayo man somewhere ITT who suggested that Cillian O'Connor is already on Colm Cooper/Bernard Brogan's level, I would say he's nothing more than the next Ray Cosgrove right now.
Not as great as it will be when Dublin are stuffed by either Kerry or Mayo.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2013, 11:31:19 PMAnd there is nothing wrong with that? The lad is 21 and coming back from injury!
There is nothing wrong with that. Glad to see you're level-headed enough to agree with me. God knows there's enough Mayo lads out there who think he's already some sort of footballing God.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 11:34:44 PMWhy?
Because of people like the guy who created the "ULSTER DOMINANCE" thread. Not a fan of the circlejerk the Ulster county fans have over their "more competitive" and "higher standard of football" in the Ulster championship. Hopefully Mayo taking Donegal to school will help some of these Ulster boys reel their necks in a bit.
Massive performance from Mayo.
I think they can ease off a bit for Tyrone and then build themselves back up for the Dubs.
Hard to maintain that intensity.
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2013, 11:00:18 PM
Not on to gloat, just to remind all the Donegal lads on here during the week that your manager contributed to the shambles that was in cork park today. He won you an all ireland last year but this year he has been a bit of a disaster. His bullshit media talk has backfired and helped Mayo seal a fine win today. Hope he looses the ego and gets Donegal back on track next year
It didn't help mayo or contribute anything.
Jimmy didn't mention anything about rough tackles before the Ulster final.
The fact we got relegated and were a shambles in all but one championship match had nothing to do with Jim's 'media' either.
I told you so's are bad enough but when your point dosn't stand on its own two feet without rubber crutches ...it's worse!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2013, 05:30:34 PM
Reminds me of Meath trouncing Kerry in the 2001 semi-finals. Only worse.
My father said that to me during the game.
Corner backs coming up the field lashing the ball over the bar.
Almost surreal.
No 'olés' though! :D
Donegal will be back next yr, they have to use the league to look at 2 midfielders,and find enough players to make a proper bench. they also need to look at a attacking game plan to bring their potent full forward line into the game. and not just Plan A the war of attrition!! some of their players have been as feared revealed to be average enough and this system temporarily covered this. Time to blood alot of young lads in Div 2 and find some decent players. Will still be the strongest team in ulster come in year!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
Donegal will be back next yr, they have to use the league to look at 2 midfielders,and find enough players to make a proper bench. they also need to look at a attacking game plan to bring their potent full forward line into the game. and not just Plan A the war of attrition!! some of their players have been as feared revealed to be average enough and this system temporarily covered this. Time to blood alot of young lads in Div 2 and find some decent players. Will still be the strongest team in ulster come in year!
I'm afraid Donegal are gone as AI contenders. They may sneak a Anglo Celt but they do not have the panel to aim higher at the moment. Injuries this year showed up their bench. Also, McGuinness management style is based on belief and this is going to be hard sell.
Don't think I'm getting cocky. We are in the same boat if we don't win an AI this year. How can Horan sell having a go for another year? Only difference is (and it's a big one) you got your hands on Sam!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 12:21:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
Donegal will be back next yr, they have to use the league to look at 2 midfielders,and find enough players to make a proper bench. they also need to look at a attacking game plan to bring their potent full forward line into the game. and not just Plan A the war of attrition!! some of their players have been as feared revealed to be average enough and this system temporarily covered this. Time to blood alot of young lads in Div 2 and find some decent players. Will still be the strongest team in ulster come in year!
I'm afraid Donegal are gone as AI contenders. They may sneak a Anglo Celt but they do not have the panel to aim higher at the moment. Injuries this year showed up their bench. Also, McGuinness management style is based on belief and this is going to be hard sell.
Don't think I'm getting cocky. We are in the same boat if we don't win an AI this year. How can Horan sell having a go for another year? Only difference is (and it's a big one) you got your hands on Sam!
I think the drop-off will be more pronounced next year if ye do win it than if ye didn't. Might be the best thing that can happen for the rest of Connacht.
Holy f**k, just off a long flight, missed the whole thing (and the whole, apparently controversial build-up all week!). No desire to watch it either, having seen the scoreline and read the reports! I thought we would lose, possibly by seven or eight, but I did not see a hammering of that magnitude coming! :-[
Lads have looked done out the last few games, injuries and third season of intense training, as well as obvious lack of hunger that afflicts most teams that have gone the whole way. And it would definitely appear that those who claimed earlier in the year that our squad is seriously wanting beyond the first sixteen or seventeen can feel vindicated.
But these lads owe us Donegal people nothing. They won a magnificent AI last year and brought huge joy to the county at a difficult time. Mayo may have hammered us today, but I'm happy enough to take that after last season.
That said, best of luck to the Mayo lads from here on in. Their history of final heartbreak aside, on a personal level, the maternal half of my family comes from Mayo, so I'd be only delighted to see them finally get to celebrate an AI win.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 12:21:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
Donegal will be back next yr, they have to use the league to look at 2 midfielders,and find enough players to make a proper bench. they also need to look at a attacking game plan to bring their potent full forward line into the game. and not just Plan A the war of attrition!! some of their players have been as feared revealed to be average enough and this system temporarily covered this. Time to blood alot of young lads in Div 2 and find some decent players. Will still be the strongest team in ulster come in year!
I'm afraid Donegal are gone as AI contenders. They may sneak a Anglo Celt but they do not have the panel to aim higher at the moment. Injuries this year showed up their bench. Also, McGuinness management style is based on belief and this is going to be hard sell.
Don't think I'm getting cocky. We are in the same boat if we don't win an AI this year. How can Horan sell having a go for another year? Only difference is (and it's a big one) you got your hands on Sam!
You kinda feel that Mayo need to win it this year allright but if the squad keep their heads you feel it's their best chance and that's including last year.
We need new bodies in midfield and half- forward line.Not enough competition in the squad .
In a strange way I think division 2 will suit us to try out different guys and combinations
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 02:05:32 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London, if we get ahead we will consider every score a punch to the head of that monumental ignoramus.
Mayo by a long way, and then great difficulty controlling the hype.
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 07:50:59 AM
Must be the fact that I'm away so long, cannot understand the (over) optimism of my county men, although it is a refreshing change from the beal bocht & yerrah that takes over most counties at this time of the year.
If Muppet says we'll hammer then than that's good enough for me
That erm prediction was made at 2am. On mature reflection I think we will win it by 4. One of these days we will start properly against a big team outside Connacht, and today would be a good day to do it.
Drunk me seems to know more about football than sober me.
ftp://hardstation...you seem like a sound lad, fair play., only getting home now....hotel, big tree, and coppers were hit hard.
Game 4 only..Big games ahead!
Quote from: muppet on August 05, 2013, 02:57:35 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 02:05:32 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London, if we get ahead we will consider every score a punch to the head of that monumental ignoramus.
Mayo by a long way, and then great difficulty controlling the hype.
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2013, 07:50:59 AM
Must be the fact that I'm away so long, cannot understand the (over) optimism of my county men, although it is a refreshing change from the beal bocht & yerrah that takes over most counties at this time of the year.
If Muppet says we'll hammer then than that's good enough for me
That erm prediction was made at 2am. On mature reflection I think we will win it by 4. One of these days we will start properly against a big team outside Connacht, and today would be a good day to do it.
Drunk me seems to know more about football than sober me.
BOOM! Was laughing about ya when I checked the mobile this morning. Tell the Missus it's a sign and that a free pass is now required every night up until the semi-final, and after that if needed. Your County needs you (to be drunk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ
Hope Mayo go on and win Sam now....think it would be good for the game.
Phenomenal performance for the mayo buckos..........................no one, not no one could have came close to them yesterday, can they reproduce this form over 2 more games ???????????????/yes I think they can, and I am mentally preparing myself that they will be champions this year
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 04, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Great to see another 2 Ulster teams taken out back and blown away today, but to the Mayo man somewhere ITT who suggested that Cillian O'Connor is already on Colm Cooper/Bernard Brogan's level, I would say he's nothing more than the next Ray Cosgrove right now.
Cillian won yptoty 2011 and 2012,first time a player won it two years running.Hes scored 6-7 in one half and the Connacht final and the knocking out the All Ireland champions (which we've just done for the last three seasons) Dont talk sh1te like a good lad.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 04, 2013, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2013, 11:31:19 PMAnd there is nothing wrong with that? The lad is 21 and coming back from injury!
There is nothing wrong with that. Glad to see you're level-headed enough to agree with me. God knows there's enough Mayo lads out there who think he's already some sort of footballing God.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 11:34:44 PMWhy?
Because of people like the guy who created the "ULSTER DOMINANCE" thread. Not a fan of the circlejerk the Ulster county fans have over their "more competitive" and "higher standard of football" in the Ulster championship. Hopefully Mayo taking Donegal to school will help some of these Ulster boys reel their necks in a bit.
South Dublin and not a fan of a cirlce jerk? I dont believe you.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMCillian won yptoty 2011 and 2012,first time a player won it two years running.
Means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMHes scored 6-7 in one half and the Connacht final and the knocking out the All Ireland champions (which we've just done for the last three seasons) Dont talk sh1te like a good lad.
Still hasn't had a real test. Lets face it, that wasn't the Donegal side of 2012, the fact that an average side like Monaghan also hammered them detracts from your win over them. Using statistics from a game against London also shows how much youre stretching.
CoC still has it all to prove.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 05, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMCillian won yptoty 2011 and 2012,first time a player won it two years running.
Means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMHes scored 6-7 in one half and the Connacht final and the knocking out the All Ireland champions (which we've just done for the last three seasons) Dont talk sh1te like a good lad.
Still hasn't had a real test. Lets face it, that wasn't the Donegal side of 2012, the fact that an average side like Monaghan also hammered them detracts from your win over them. Using statistics from a game against London also shows how much youre stretching.
CoC still has it all to prove.
To who?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 05, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMCillian won yptoty 2011 and 2012,first time a player won it two years running.
Means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Kimbap on August 05, 2013, 11:36:24 AMHes scored 6-7 in one half and the Connacht final and the knocking out the All Ireland champions (which we've just done for the last three seasons) Dont talk sh1te like a good lad.
Still hasn't had a real test. Lets face it, that wasn't the Donegal side of 2012, the fact that an average side like Monaghan also hammered them detracts from your win over them. Using statistics from a game against London also shows how much youre stretching.
CoC still has it all to prove.
Hes the best dead ball specialist in the country,he won ypoty 2 years in a row,he's not the worst from open play either,but im sure he's bothered he has a lot to prove to you.Oh yeah,he 21 as well.
Now go call Ross O Carroll Kelly for a circle jerk.
Ye cant compare B Brogan with Colin Cooper for a start
What a performance from Mayo, simply breathtaking. Although I've always and a soft spot for Donegal I have to say I enjoyed this particular version of Donegal football getting a tanking, the game is bigger than any county and hopefully this beating will see a change in focus by IC teams away from the ultra negativity of Donegal.
I've said for a while now that Mayo are as good as anyone from 1 to 9 but question marks hang over their forwards. Yesterday's performance certainly answered some of them and COC for one is beginning to show my doubts about him are misplaced. However, I still have a niggling feeling that Mayo still lack a bit up front. While it's hard to hold that view in light of recent evidence Galway, Ros, London and this version of Donegal are all off the pace of the best. Still, only good teams can take full advantage of that and Mayo have done so spectacularly.
A lack of pace and a proven trigger man are my concerns and they remain, though that might be a case of me thinking something and being reluctant to let it go even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, hopefully it is. I'd love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and there'll be few happier non-Mayo men than myself if they do. If they can get one I'm sure they'll add to it in the coming years as they have a great squad and it looks like they've more good players coming through.
A Dublin v Mayo final would be great to see.
Congratulations Mayo. Devastating and ruthless performance. I expected them to win by a few points so obviously never expected anything like what happened yesterday.
Donegal were a shambles and to be fair to them are carrying injuries to their top men which they dont have the bench to cover. But as McGuinness himself said yesterday that still doesnt take from an awesome Mayo performance.
I'm biased towards Mayo as they're a Connacht side + I particularly admire their manager and this bunch of players. They've progressed further each season, they work hard, they keep focussed and they play a very attractive brand of football. Mayo have shown an incredibly high level of consistency since 1996 and deserve to win Sam.
I think alot of other neutrals were happy to see them win in order to shove it down McGuinness's throat. I really dont know how himself of Gallagher expected their pre match comments to have a positive effect on their own team's performance or a negative one on their opponent's. For an expert in matters of the mind Jim made himself look very insecure and after his team' s performance.... foolish. McGee didnt do himself, his team mates, his manager or the sport in general any favours with his stamp. To be fair to the Donegal manager he was sporting in his post match comments but again alluded to his side being targeted. Yesterday was not only a victory for Mayo but a vindication of James Horan's class and integrity.
Where to now for the westerners? Tyrone are lurking in the long grass of course. Mickey Harte is a legendary strategist and my guess is that his main focus will be on using any means possible to stop Mayo getting a good start. In all their matches this year they had the game won by half time? Harte will be hoping to stay in touch in the first half in order to sow doubt in to Horan's player's minds.
Roscommon were unlucky not to beat Tyrone. Donegal beat them. Both sides were hammered by Mayo. However it's not as simple as that as the longer Tyrone remain in the championship the better they adapt to what's required to eek out narrow victories as evidenced by their 2pt winning margins this season. I think this match will be a dog fight. I think Tyrone will cynically slow it down as much as possible but in a way this might be exactly what Mayo need if they are to progress to an AI final and win it when they get there this time. They need to play a match where they still have to win the game in the 2nd half. They need to win ugly. Tyrone will provide them with the opportunity to do just that.
Longterm it's fair to say the Connacht men lack genuine finishers up front. But they compensate for that with having a spread of players from Higgins when he plays corner back to Andy Moran at corner forward who all are comfortable on the ball and can chip in a few scores each. Aidan O'Se in terms of pure primary possession and drive + Cillian O'Connor in terms of vision and finishing are vital to their cause. But at centre back and full they also have game changers. Thats before you mention Dillon's work rate and Freeman's ball winning abilities. I dont think Andy has the pace back in his legs yet to win ball out in front of his man. It's a pity Conroy isn't back.
I think it will be a Dublin V Mayo final. That will be a fascinating match up. Mayo's overall collective work ethic v Dublin's panache up front. But before that Tyrone will relish their opportunity to upset the apple cart. However I think this Mayo manager and his current panel are too focussed and grounded to fall for that trap. Well done again Mayo. Delighted for all the Mayo lads on this forum. Ye did the province proud. Drive on!
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
Congratulations Mayo. Devastating and ruthless performance. I expected them to win by a few points so obviously never expected anything like what happened yesterday.
Donegal were a shambles and to be fair to them are carrying injuries to their top men which they dont have the bench to cover. But as McGuinness himself said yesterday that still doesnt take from an awesome Mayo performance.
I'm biased towards Mayo as they're a Connacht side + I particularly admire their manager and this bunch of players. They've progressed further each season, they work hard, they keep focussed and they play a very attractive brand of football. Mayo have shown an incredibly high level of consistency since 1996 and deserve to win Sam.
I think alot of other neutrals were happy to see them win in order to shove it down McGuinness's throat. I really dont know how himself of Gallagher expected their pre match comments to have a positive effect on their own team's performance or a negative one on their opponent's. For an expert in matters of the mind Jim made himself look very insecure and after his team' s performance.... foolish. McGee didnt do himself, his team mates, his manager or the sport in general any favours with his stamp. To be fair to the Donegal manager he was sporting in his post match comments but again alluded to his side being targeted. Yesterday was not only a victory for Mayo but a vindication of James Horan's class and integrity.
Where to now for the westerners? Tyrone are lurking in the long grass of course. Mickey Harte is a legendary strategist and my guess is that his main focus will be on using any means possible to stop Mayo getting a good start. In all their matches this year they had the game won by half time? Harte will be hoping to stay in touch in the first half in order to sow doubt in to Horan's player's minds.
Roscommon were unlucky not to beat Tyrone. Donegal beat them. Both sides were hammered by Mayo. However it's not as simple as that as the longer Tyrone remain in the championship the better they adapt to what's required to eek out narrow victories as evidenced by their 2pt winning margins this season. I think this match will be a dog fight. I think Tyrone will cynically slow it down as much as possible but in a way this might be exactly what Mayo need if they are to progress to an AI final and win it when they get there this time. They need to play a match where they still have to win the game in the 2nd half. They need to win ugly. Tyrone will provide them with the opportunity to do just that.
Longterm it's fair to say the Connacht men lack genuine finishers up front. But they compensate for that with having a spread of players from Higgins when he plays corner back to Andy Moran at corner forward who all are comfortable on the ball and can chip in a few scores each. Aidan O'Se in terms of pure primary possession and drive + Cillian O'Connor in terms of vision and finishing are vital to their cause. But at centre back and full they also have game changers. Thats before you mention Dillon's work rate and Freeman's ball winning abilities. I dont think Andy has the pace back in his legs yet to win ball out in front of his man. It's a pity Conroy isn't back.
I think it will be a Dublin V Mayo final. That will be a fascinating match up. Mayo's overall collective work ethic v Dublin's panache up front. But before that Tyrone will relish their opportunity to upset the apple cart. However I think this Mayo manager and his current panel are too focussed and grounded to fall for that trap. Well done again Mayo. Delighted for all the Mayo lads on this forum. Ye did the province proud. Drive on!
Good Post.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 05, 2013, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
Congratulations Mayo. Devastating and ruthless performance. I expected them to win by a few points so obviously never expected anything like what happened yesterday.
Donegal were a shambles and to be fair to them are carrying injuries to their top men which they dont have the bench to cover. But as McGuinness himself said yesterday that still doesnt take from an awesome Mayo performance.
I'm biased towards Mayo as they're a Connacht side + I particularly admire their manager and this bunch of players. They've progressed further each season, they work hard, they keep focussed and they play a very attractive brand of football. Mayo have shown an incredibly high level of consistency since 1996 and deserve to win Sam.
I think alot of other neutrals were happy to see them win in order to shove it down McGuinness's throat. I really dont know how himself of Gallagher expected their pre match comments to have a positive effect on their own team's performance or a negative one on their opponent's. For an expert in matters of the mind Jim made himself look very insecure and after his team' s performance.... foolish. McGee didnt do himself, his team mates, his manager or the sport in general any favours with his stamp. To be fair to the Donegal manager he was sporting in his post match comments but again alluded to his side being targeted. Yesterday was not only a victory for Mayo but a vindication of James Horan's class and integrity.
Where to now for the westerners? Tyrone are lurking in the long grass of course. Mickey Harte is a legendary strategist and my guess is that his main focus will be on using any means possible to stop Mayo getting a good start. In all their matches this year they had the game won by half time? Harte will be hoping to stay in touch in the first half in order to sow doubt in to Horan's player's minds.
Roscommon were unlucky not to beat Tyrone. Donegal beat them. Both sides were hammered by Mayo. However it's not as simple as that as the longer Tyrone remain in the championship the better they adapt to what's required to eek out narrow victories as evidenced by their 2pt winning margins this season. I think this match will be a dog fight. I think Tyrone will cynically slow it down as much as possible but in a way this might be exactly what Mayo need if they are to progress to an AI final and win it when they get there this time. They need to play a match where they still have to win the game in the 2nd half. They need to win ugly. Tyrone will provide them with the opportunity to do just that.
Longterm it's fair to say the Connacht men lack genuine finishers up front. But they compensate for that with having a spread of players from Higgins when he plays corner back to Andy Moran at corner forward who all are comfortable on the ball and can chip in a few scores each. Aidan O'Se in terms of pure primary possession and drive + Cillian O'Connor in terms of vision and finishing are vital to their cause. But at centre back and full they also have game changers. Thats before you mention Dillon's work rate and Freeman's ball winning abilities. I dont think Andy has the pace back in his legs yet to win ball out in front of his man. It's a pity Conroy isn't back.
I think it will be a Dublin V Mayo final. That will be a fascinating match up. Mayo's overall collective work ethic v Dublin's panache up front. But before that Tyrone will relish their opportunity to upset the apple cart. However I think this Mayo manager and his current panel are too focussed and grounded to fall for that trap. Well done again Mayo. Delighted for all the Mayo lads on this forum. Ye did the province proud. Drive on!
Good Post.
+1
Brilliant performance by mayo.
After Donegal rallying to score 3 in a row after our good start, we completely took over the show. It was hard to believe what was happening when Vaughan stuck that second goal.
We had great performances all over the pitch and o'se was undoubtably man of the match. It would do ya good watching such an awesome, honest and spectacular display of fielding, running, blocking and passing.
Cillian o connor is proving to be a clinical operator that will keep any team honest for a full 70 minutes. His finish for the first goal was gooch like in his sense of calm slotting it to the corner.
After 18 months of injury and a dip in form, it was great to see Donnie Vaughan show what he can do. He has the potential to be our leader.we need him to keep it going if we are finally going to get over the line.
Also need freeman to keep ticking over for the remainder of championship.
His own achievement will go hand in hand with how much the team can achieve.
Fantastic day in Dublin yesterday
I'm sure if any of the mayo forwards were reading this they'd be wondering what they have to do as a unit to be recognised as clinical finishers?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 06, 2013, 09:31:30 AM
I'm sure if any of the mayo forwards were reading this they'd be wondering what they have to do as a unit to be recognised as clinical finishers?
its no harm.
Consider if you are a back-line setting yourselves up against the current Tyrone forwards. Stop O'Neill and you have knocked a fair dent into their scoring abilities. In Donegal, stop McFadden and Murphy and you are half way there.
If you are a back-line facing the Mayo forwards, who do you single out? Take out any one individual (except maybe O'Connor if he keeps going the way he is going at the moment) and you don't really change things all that much. They all seem to operate at a fairly equal level. Invariably they all chip in with a few scores and add in the few coming from the midfield / backs and its difficult to pin point who to target from a defenders point of view.
Their perceived weakness as not being 'clinical' (ala B Brogan a few season ago) could in fact be their greatest strength.
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2013, 02:10:52 PM
What a performance from Mayo, simply breathtaking. Although I've always and a soft spot for Donegal I have to say I enjoyed this particular version of Donegal football getting a tanking, the game is bigger than any county and hopefully this beating will see a change in focus by IC teams away from the ultra negativity of Donegal.
I've said for a while now that Mayo are as good as anyone from 1 to 9 but question marks hang over their forwards. Yesterday's performance certainly answered some of them and COC for one is beginning to show my doubts about him are misplaced. However, I still have a niggling feeling that Mayo still lack a bit up front. While it's hard to hold that view in light of recent evidence Galway, Ros, London and this version of Donegal are all off the pace of the best. Still, only good teams can take full advantage of that and Mayo have done so spectacularly.
A lack of pace and a proven trigger man are my concerns and they remain, though that might be a case of me thinking something and being reluctant to let it go even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, hopefully it is. I'd love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and there'll be few happier non-Mayo men than myself if they do. If they can get one I'm sure they'll add to it in the coming years as they have a great squad and it looks like they've more good players coming through.
A Dublin v Mayo final would be great to see.
I think Zulu that doubts linger because of so many failures in such a short space of time by Mayo that it is hard for Mayo people let alone a neutral fan to banish these doubts.
Probably true CB and as prewtna said it might be no harm not having an established marquee forward, though I think Dublin and Kerry have as good a spread of scorers as Mayo. Good teams do what Mayo are doing but Mayo forwards haven't been in a pressure situation yet this. I mean Donie Vaughan has scored two goals with the opposition goal keeper behind him and O'Connor gathered the ball on the edge of the square unmarked for a few of his, so while the stats are impressive the opposition defending requires analysis.
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Probably true CB and as prewtna said it might be no harm not having an established marquee forward, though I think Dublin and Kerry have as good a spread of scorers as Mayo. Good teams do what Mayo are doing but Mayo forwards haven't been in a pressure situation yet this. I mean Donie Vaughan has scored two goals with the opposition goal keeper behind him and O'Connor gathered the ball on the edge of the square unmarked for a few of his, so while the stats are impressive the opposition defending requires analysis.
There is only one recognition that this team want and that is the Celtic cross in their arse pocket.....
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 06, 2013, 09:31:30 AM
I'm sure if any of the mayo forwards were reading this they'd be wondering what they have to do as a unit to be recognised as clinical finishers?
Win Sam!
Delighted for Kevin Keane to come on a stick that point over by the way. He must have enjoyed that one.
Only getting a chance to post now as I'm in Ballina in an internet cafe and no internet at home. They really did tear into Donegal and beat the living daylights out of them. It was over at half time. No Mayo player can be faulted for anything on Sunday. A great performance, I only hope we can repeat it for 2 more games this year.
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Probably true CB and as prewtna said it might be no harm not having an established marquee forward, though I think Dublin and Kerry have as good a spread of scorers as Mayo. Good teams do what Mayo are doing but Mayo forwards haven't been in a pressure situation yet this. I mean Donie Vaughan has scored two goals with the opposition goal keeper behind him and O'Connor gathered the ball on the edge of the square unmarked for a few of his, so while the stats are impressive the opposition defending requires analysis.
If some Dub forwards had looked around and spotted unmarked colleagues on the edge of the square instead of trying desperate shots, then Dublin might have scored a couple of similar tap-in goals. Such team-awareness and heads-up play is not widespread in my opinion. Those Mayo tap-in's may not have looked spectacular, but were superb team scores, and not down to just bad defending.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
After watching the McGee incident on the Sunday Game it is without doubt the worst incident I have seen on a football pitch.Tyrone have been no angels over the years but stamping on another person's neck on purpose could have caused serious damage.
Thats a very short memory you have omagh gael.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcxdaQ4-XR4
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 06, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
After watching the McGee incident on the Sunday Game it is without doubt the worst incident I have seen on a football pitch.Tyrone have been no angels over the years but stamping on another person's neck on purpose could have caused serious damage.
Thats a very short memory you have omagh gael.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcxdaQ4-XR4
absolutely disgraceful. That is far,far worse than the McGee incident. He could have broken that fellas neck the way he came down on him.
No wonder RTE have not had him back as a pundit. You can't have tramps like that commenting on incidents when he was the worst of the lot.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 06, 2013, 09:31:30 AM
I'm sure if any of the mayo forwards were reading this they'd be wondering what they have to do as a unit to be recognised as clinical finishers?
I was wondering the same.
Winning every game up to the semis by an average of 15 points has to be a record.
I'm a huge, huge fan of the way Mayo's forwards operate. You could spend 10 years of your life coaching and cajoling inter county forwards to be that unselfish and patient, and you would mostly fail miserably at it. It goes against the instinct of fellas who've been the shooters their whole football careers, to make decoy runs, and to pass to the man in space. But on this evidence, Mayo are operating on an unusually collective plain.
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Probably true CB and as prewtna said it might be no harm not having an established marquee forward, though I think Dublin and Kerry have as good a spread of scorers as Mayo. Good teams do what Mayo are doing but Mayo forwards haven't been in a pressure situation yet this. I mean Donie Vaughan has scored two goals with the opposition goal keeper behind him and O'Connor gathered the ball on the edge of the square unmarked for a few of his, so while the stats are impressive the opposition defending requires analysis.
Fair enough, Zulu, you have referred to Mayo's lack of goal-scoring several times in the past and I accept there is merit in what you say. James Horan has been aware of this for a long time past and has been doing his best to work his way around this.
Last year, it seems Mayo forwards were instructed to shoot for points from a distance instead of trying to work the ball in closer to goal.
It didn't deliver the goods in the end but it was as good a ploy as any.
This year he seems to have abandoned this approach and Mayo are no longer goal-shy.
Surely thirteen goals from four games is an impressive return by any standards?
Okay, the opposition in all of the games didn't amount to much but was this by pure coincidence or did Mayo have a hand in their downfall, one by one?
I'd suggest that it was a combination of both that brought Mayo to the stage they are at now.
Galway were annihilated in Salthill but when they picked themselves up, they went on to give a creditable account of themselves in the qualifiers. After their pasting from Mayo, Roscommon had to face Tyrone, another of the so-called Top Six.
They gave as good as they got until the closing stages.
London could have pulled off the shock of the century if their lack of match fitness hadn't cost them dearly in their game against Cavan. Okay none of them are really good sides but did they all get flattened by Mayo because of their own deficiencies or did the overall excellence of Mayo's play have a part in each game?
And what of Donegal?
After all, they beat Tyrone, put up a good show against Monaghan and survived a tough encounter with Laois. They aren't a patch on what they were last year but still, the four goals and a few near-misses can't all be put down to sloppy defending.
Certainly, the opposition defence requires analysis but Mayo didn't get to where they are now by default alone.
Word in Donegal is that Jimmy may be considering stepping down. I've heard him come out with some excuses this week like injuries and hunger. What about Celtic Jimmy?
I heard he was a very young family and twins on the way. It would be understandable if he was to step down in fairness.
Quote from: ck on August 06, 2013, 11:27:48 PM
Word in Donegal is that Jimmy may be considering stepping down. I've heard him come out with some excuses this week like injuries and hunger. What about Celtic Jimmy?
Jesus CK, if Jimmy and Moyna ever teamed up we'd have to get you sectioned.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: ck on August 06, 2013, 11:27:48 PM
Word in Donegal is that Jimmy may be considering stepping down. I've heard him come out with some excuses this week like injuries and hunger. What about Celtic Jimmy?
Jesus CK, if Jimmy and Moyna ever teamed up we'd have to get you sectioned.
+1 ..
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: ck on August 06, 2013, 11:27:48 PM
Word in Donegal is that Jimmy may be considering stepping down. I've heard him come out with some excuses this week like injuries and hunger. What about Celtic Jimmy?
Jesus CK, if Jimmy and Moyna ever teamed up we'd have to get you sectioned.
Ha ha, now that would be a evil duo. I'm actually a strong admirer of Jimmy, just didnt like his antics over the last few weeks. With 3 kids under 5 and twins on the way I've no idea how he does it. Anyone any idea? Must have a different kinda wife than I do and all I manage is the club minors!
If he steps down good luck to him, you could see Donegal returning to the doldrums very quickly without him
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 06, 2013, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Probably true CB and as prewtna said it might be no harm not having an established marquee forward, though I think Dublin and Kerry have as good a spread of scorers as Mayo. Good teams do what Mayo are doing but Mayo forwards haven't been in a pressure situation yet this. I mean Donie Vaughan has scored two goals with the opposition goal keeper behind him and O'Connor gathered the ball on the edge of the square unmarked for a few of his, so while the stats are impressive the opposition defending requires analysis.
Fair enough, Zulu, you have referred to Mayo's lack of goal-scoring several times in the past and I accept there is merit in what you say. James Horan has been aware of this for a long time past and has been doing his best to work his way around this.
Last year, it seems Mayo forwards were instructed to shoot for points from a distance instead of trying to work the ball in closer to goal.
It didn't deliver the goods in the end but it was as good a ploy as any.
This year he seems to have abandoned this approach and Mayo are no longer goal-shy.
Surely thirteen goals from four games is an impressive return by any standards?
Okay, the opposition in all of the games didn't amount to much but was this by pure coincidence or did Mayo have a hand in their downfall, one by one?
I'd suggest that it was a combination of both that brought Mayo to the stage they are at now.
Galway were annihilated in Salthill but when they picked themselves up, they went on to give a creditable account of themselves in the qualifiers. After their pasting from Mayo, Roscommon had to face Tyrone, another of the so-called Top Six.
They gave as good as they got until the closing stages.
London could have pulled off the shock of the century if their lack of match fitness hadn't cost them dearly in their game against Cavan. Okay none of them are really good sides but did they all get flattened by Mayo because of their own deficiencies or did the overall excellence of Mayo's play have a part in each game?
And what of Donegal?
After all, they beat Tyrone, put up a good show against Monaghan and survived a tough encounter with Laois. They aren't a patch on what they were last year but still, the four goals and a few near-misses can't all be put down to sloppy defending.
Certainly, the opposition defence requires analysis but Mayo didn't get to where they are now by default alone.
Lar I hope my comments are not being interpreted as not giving Mayo credit for what they've done so far. I think I have acknowledged that they do what good teams do and beat poor ones easily. Every score in every game is probably a mixture of defensive frailties and attacking quality but the poorer the defending the less forwards have to do to look good. Anyone who's played football will have had days when they and their teammates looked like world beaters or bone useless as a result of their opposition.
If you look at both of COC's goals in the second half there was a mixture of luck, good attacking and poor defending. Having watched the game again there is no doubt Donegal were a mile off the pace so I'd just be a bit cautious of where Mayo are in reality. They are undoubtedly one of the best teams in Ireland and nobody will beat them easily but I thought Andy Moran wasn't moving freely against Donegal and would be concerned about him in a more intense game. Freeman was only ok for my money and Feeney won't curl them over from the sideline so I'd be a bit anxious that recent score lines flatter Mayo somewhat.
I suppose I view games from a coaches point of view so I may look for the weaknesses rather than acknowledge the many things that are working. But I am hugely impressed by Mayo and would love to see you win it. I'm only giving my opinion as part of a natter on the game, it'll make no difference to Mayo and hopefully I'm like an overprotective mother who's worrying too much!!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 05, 2013, 12:07:00 AM
Massive performance from Mayo.
I think they can ease off a bit for Tyrone and then build themselves back up for the Dubs.
Hard to maintain that intensity.
Nah, you cant do that. If your game plan is built on intensity then you have to do it every time you go out, cant turn it on and off, and to even suggest doing so would be an insult to Tyrone who will win if they dont get the respect they deserve. Mayo have been playing with that intensity all year, with exceptions being part of the London game and the last 15 minutes of the game V Donegal. Its only 70 minutes, they have had plenty of rest between games and are capable of keeping that intensity up for two more games.
I've had a read of this whole thread, and have to say there was some awful rubbish being spoken, course I'm looking at it with the benefit of hindsight, and I didnt predict a Mayo hammering of Donegal either but logic would dictate that they would win, given their form
People need to get over the stereotype of Mayo that they have in their heads and analyse and comment on this particular team. We have always had good footballers but I dont believe we have had as many who have been coached to their full potential, or who have been put together in such a professional environment as we have now.
All you can hope for from a management team is that they firstly get the best talent available to them in the county onto a county panel and secondly set them up to give them the best possible chance of winning, and I'm not just talking about tactics, but also fitness, S&C, training intervals (periodisation), mind set, off field setup, man management and team cohesiveness. Donegal did it last year to a tee and fair play to them.
This version of Mayo started 3 years ago under James Horan, he came to the table with logic. For too many years, Mayo have had the talented footballers but none of what I have mentioned above. We had a hit and hope attitude that by some miracle we'd fall over the line. You dont win the all ireland with a handful of talented footballers and hope. You have to set out a plan that makes the most sense, build on it and overcome any issues you fall into.
James Horan had been there done that, in terms of losing all irelands. He said that the reason we lost some games we should have won, was that we fell into bad habits when the pressure came on, we didnt have the all round skill sets to get ourselves out of trouble. He maintains that IC footballers shouldnt have a "weak side", they should be able to hand pass, kick pass, score, tackle equally from either side, and 3 years ago set about working on skills. His theory being that you cant get anything right without the baseline of having the skills. Sounds obvious but not that many are doing it. Thankfull its now filtering down to all Mayo underage squads, skill work.
So, while they are still working on that, this team now are in their 3rd year of building that foundation, they have shown progress every year, a semi final, a final and now hopefully another final with an actual win. I think thats why Mayo people are showing such confidence, well those that know a bit about football anyway, can see that there is a logic to a statement about considering this team all ireland contenders, unlike in the past when we got to finals and didnt really know how the f*ck we got there (2006, 2004) being prime examples. A handful of good footballers and a hit and hope strategy. Not this team. A Galway man once said to me, and he was right, that Galway people know when they have a good team, and wont follow a bad one, for years Mayo people blindly followed whatever was out there, without really knowing if it was good or not. I think that is finally changing now and at the very least we know that this team will be very competitive. Again logic shows that statistically we have scorers coming from all sorts of places so its difficult to stop that. Over the past 3 years, with the exception of last years all ireland final, we at least break even in midfield. Tyrone dont have as many scorers, so all things being equal and no significant injuries to key Mayo personnel (either O'Shea, Andy Moran, Alan Dillon, Kev McLoughlin, Keith Higgins, Cillian O'Connor, Colm Boyle or Rob Hennelly (as hes the only goalie left ;) logic would dictate that Mayo will get over the line. The fact that list is so long tells it own story.Final is a different story, it will probably be Dublin and they are still in their first year of development under Jim Gavin. Yes, there are a number of those lads with medals in their arse pocket, something Mayo cant say, but this is being built for for 3 years, so again, with the same caveats, Mayo could win that too.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 01, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
'' I think the confidence of most Mayo fans is in the team and the setup rather than a bullish arrogance that we will brush Donegal or any of the teams left aside with ease'' Crete boom
Thats exactly it, Mayo supporters are proud of this set up . Down through the years although we have had decent teams and some outstanding individuals we now have decent individuals and an outstanding team, they will never throw in the towel and i would near put my life on it that no team is capable of embarrassing us by beating us out the gate.
I'm the first to admit as a supporter i'm an emotional wreck and down the years i've tossed the flag to one side and stormed out of croker like a spoilt brat (younger days in fairness) but even if we happen to lose on Sunday there is a steelieness about this team that makes ya proud.
obviously you're ' younger days' are back judging by your post AI comments-Why dont you and your buddies from that football stronghold of yours take over from the 'bull thick Ballintubber buck'.Gobshites are a dime a dozen