just class.
only saying
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
Total bollocks. Peter Harte was ripping up sides this time last year. Lose your first championship game and it means nothing.
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2013, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
Total bollocks. Peter Harte was ripping up sides this time last year. Lose your first championship game and it means nothing.
In division 2 yes
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 15, 2013, 11:18:55 PM
just class.
only saying
Best forward of the last 20 years when fit in my view. I'd travel anywhere to watch him. A genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Actually, you are probably right - Cavlan is one of the few players I ever saw who could score from the ridiculous angles that O'Neill scored from on Sunday.
https://vimeo.com/64086311 (https://vimeo.com/64086311)
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 16, 2013, 08:02:55 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Ye not get the joke???
Actually, you are probably right - Cavlan is one of the few players I ever saw who could score from the ridiculous angles that O'Neill scored from on Sunday.
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2013, 08:09:43 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 16, 2013, 08:02:55 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Ye not get the joke???
Actually, you are probably right - Cavlan is one of the few players I ever saw who could score from the ridiculous angles that O'Neill scored from on Sunday.
No - explain your comic genius to me? Obviously way above my head!
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 15, 2013, 11:18:55 PM
just class.
only saying
Best forward of the last 20 years when fit in my view. I'd travel anywhere to watch him. A genius.
Is everybody on the wind up here or did I miss something?
Stevie has had a good 2013 to date but if we're being honest Tyrone & probably Dublin have took the league quite seriously this year and have been fitter and hungrier than most teams they've played. When you're that bit fitter, faster to the ball and for a forward quicker to turn then you'll have an edge over your man and so stand out a little.
Stevie has scored some great scores over the year and is probably in my top 5 players that I've ever saw but its not long ago everyone was saying Michael Murphy from Donegal is by far the best player in the country at the moment.
For me personally Peter Canavan was the best I've ever seen with Stevie being 2nd to him. I never saw Frank McGuigan but from the video evidence from that Armagh game he looked unmarkable that day.
Sadly, I fear that Donegal will have Stevie and our whole FF line bottled up with a huge blanket of defenders and so if for no other reason its great to have league games in Croker where we can watch such exquisite scores as we saw last Sunday. How Mickey Harte can't admit that himself and open his eyes to how the style of defending has prevented such exciting play beggars belief.
Can you imagine in 2013, Dublin or Donegal allowing Mugsy to run 40 yards and do two great dummies like he did back in 2005. Don't think so. He'd be hauled down
I said stevie o neill was the dogs bollix ..... But he was no gerard cavlin. Dog is the connecting word here benny.
Do ye mind a few years ago cavlin had a run in with a few pitbulls and loyalists........lol??
2 great points, but we could appreciate them even more with a bit of decent camera work.
RTE are outdated with their fixed point cameras. A moving camera that was in line with the ball would really capture the points in all their glory.
Stephen O'Neill is one of my favourite players. So crucial to Tyrone because they don't have anyone to replace him. I wouldn't go as far as Indiana but he's definitely top 5 in the last 20 years in my view. Maurice and Peter are 2 I'd have above him, not many more tbh.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2013, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 15, 2013, 11:18:55 PM
just class.
only saying
Best forward of the last 20 years when fit in my view. I'd travel anywhere to watch him. A genius.
Is everybody on the wind up here or did I miss something?
Stevie has had a good 2013 to date but if we're being honest Tyrone & probably Dublin have took the league quite seriously this year and have been fitter and hungrier than most teams they've played. When you're that bit fitter, faster to the ball and for a forward quicker to turn then you'll have an edge over your man and so stand out a little.
Stevie has scored some great scores over the year and is probably in my top 5 players that I've ever saw but its not long ago everyone was saying Michael Murphy from Donegal is by far the best player in the country at the moment.
For me personally Peter Canavan was the best I've ever seen with Stevie being 2nd to him. I never saw Frank McGuigan but from the video evidence from that Armagh game he looked unmarkable that day.
Sadly, I fear that Donegal will have Stevie and our whole FF line bottled up with a huge blanket of defenders and so if for no other reason its great to have league games in Croker where we can watch such exquisite scores as we saw last Sunday. How Mickey Harte can't admit that himself and open his eyes to how the style of defending has prevented such exciting play beggars belief.
Can you imagine in 2013, Dublin or Donegal allowing Mugsy to run 40 yards and do two great dummies like he did back in 2005. Don't think so. He'd be hauled down
I'd say you have missed something.
The form that O'Neill is in just now? This is as good a form as I've seen him in since 2005. he's fitter/stronger than ever, and if he gets pulled down in the positions he finds himself in, then id say we have the men to score those frees...including himself...If he can stay fit? who knows...but i'd say he is definitely one of the best of his or any generation
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2013, 10:54:24 AM
I said stevie o neill was the dogs bollix ..... But he was no gerard cavlin. Dog is the connecting word here benny.
Do ye mind a few years ago cavlin had a run in with a few pitbulls and loyalists........lol??
I don't get the connection with Stevie O'Neill?
Outstanding player, but FFS its only April and its only the league.
All stars are earned in August and September.
O neill is an excellent player, aka ' he is the dogs bollix' (means exceptional)
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
O neill is an excellent player, aka ' he is the dogs bollix' (means exceptional)
That is definately one of the most ingenius jokes I've heard on here in a long time - well done! And thanks for explaining it to me so I could enjoy it! ::)
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 16, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
O neill is an excellent player, aka ' he is the dogs bollix' (means exceptional)
That is definately one of the most ingenius jokes I've heard on here in a long time - well done! And thanks for explaining it to me so I could enjoy it! ::)
I dont know if ye are being sarcastic or not!!!!!
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Anyone know what Cavlan's at now? No shaggy dog stories please.
He was togged out against us 2 years ago for a junior league game but got injured in the warm up and didnt start. I see there was a Brian Cavlan from Dungannon recently convicted of weapons offensives...
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 16, 2013, 02:14:09 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 15, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
Has already played and scored as well as anyone will this year. A nailed on all star
f**k it sure just give it to him now. ::) ::) ::)
He may be the dog's bollix............but he aint no Gerard Cavlan ;D
Anyone know what Cavlan's at now? No shaggy dog stories please.
Dunno, probably ' russelling' about Dungannon somewhere.
Not a bad player in his day; he had some 'pedigree'.
Ill get my coat.
Quote from: theticklemister on April 16, 2013, 10:54:24 AM
I said stevie o neill was the dogs bollix ..... But he was no gerard cavlin. Dog is the connecting word here benny.
Do ye mind a few years ago cavlin had a run in with a few pitbulls and loyalists........lol??
jeez man, I told you that you werent funny !
I copped on what you were trying though. Risque.
Quote from: blanketattack on April 16, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
2 great points, but we could appreciate them even more with a bit of decent camera work.
RTE are outdated with their fixed point cameras. A moving camera that was in line with the ball would really capture the points in all their glory.
this is another element to something I brought up a year or two ago when we were discussing tv/video evidence on here.
with the modern age, there are web cams that could be positioned all alroung the structure of croke park (or any GAA stadium) - for croker I'd say just under the premium level slab.
3D type footage can be pieced together from the real time footage.
There may be more editing for GAA to do, but these pictures would give steaming users potential control over the angle and view of the game they want. This would have to be after game time as I am not sure that it would be technically viable to do so live.
it would also help adjudicate on contentious scores or foul play/off the ball incidents.
with the low cost of this equipment, all or main county stadia could have a certain amount of web/ip cameras.
GAA could sell the footage for a higher premium to rte/tv3/setanta etc (I guess there would be bigger profit margin if we supplied our own equipment and furnish media companies with the finished article (game footage).
IF SON could remain inj free for a season it would be fantastic to watch his repetoire of skills. He really is an score taking artist.
Gerard Cavlan was a sublime footballer but like many (prob myself included), couldnt beat psychological issues to enable him to play at the level he was very capable of.
http://vimeo.com/64086311# (http://vimeo.com/64086311#)
thankfully they are a lot more sophisticated in the neighbouring Derry parish.
the Aughabrack ones are nice folk, a bit simple but nice. e.g. Fuzzman!
not even the best player in Tyrone in the past 20yrs
Think he is a class act, would love to have his like on Armagh team.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 16, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on April 16, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
2 great points, but we could appreciate them even more with a bit of decent camera work.
RTE are outdated with their fixed point cameras. A moving camera that was in line with the ball would really capture the points in all their glory.
this is another element to something I brought up a year or two ago when we were discussing tv/video evidence on here.
with the modern age, there are web cams that could be positioned all alroung the structure of croke park (or any GAA stadium) - for croker I'd say just under the premium level slab.
3D type footage can be pieced together from the real time footage.
There may be more editing for GAA to do, but these pictures would give steaming users potential control over the angle and view of the game they want. This would have to be after game time as I am not sure that it would be technically viable to do so live.
it would also help adjudicate on contentious scores or foul play/off the ball incidents.
with the low cost of this equipment, all or main county stadia could have a certain amount of web/ip cameras.
GAA could sell the footage for a higher premium to rte/tv3/setanta etc (I guess there would be bigger profit margin if we supplied our own equipment and furnish media companies with the finished article (game footage).
IF SON could remain inj free for a season it would be fantastic to watch his repetoire of skills. He really is an score taking artist.
Gerard Cavlan was a sublime footballer but like many (prob myself included), couldnt beat psychological issues to enable him to play at the level he was very capable of.
He was
dogged with injury.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 16, 2013, 03:57:46 PM
thankfully they are a lot more sophisticated in the neighbouring Derry parish.
the Aughabrack ones are nice folk, a bit simple but nice. e.g. Fuzzman!
Aughabrack lady Annie Browne (Stevie's great-aunt) gave so much to the neighbouring parish heathens, being the esteemed and much adored Ma of Gerry, Eddie, Ciaran, etc., Mc Elhinney! ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 16, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on April 16, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
2 great points, but we could appreciate them even more with a bit of decent camera work.
RTE are outdated with their fixed point cameras. A moving camera that was in line with the ball would really capture the points in all their glory.
this is another element to something I brought up a year or two ago when we were discussing tv/video evidence on here.
with the modern age, there are web cams that could be positioned all alroung the structure of croke park (or any GAA stadium) - for croker I'd say just under the premium level slab.
3D type footage can be pieced together from the real time footage.
There may be more editing for GAA to do, but these pictures would give steaming users potential control over the angle and view of the game they want. This would have to be after game time as I am not sure that it would be technically viable to do so live.
it would also help adjudicate on contentious scores or foul play/off the ball incidents.
with the low cost of this equipment, all or main county stadia could have a certain amount of web/ip cameras.
GAA could sell the footage for a higher premium to rte/tv3/setanta etc (I guess there would be bigger profit margin if we supplied our own equipment and furnish media companies with the finished article (game footage).
IF SON could remain inj free for a season it would be fantastic to watch his repetoire of skills. He really is an score taking artist.
Gerard Cavlan was a sublime footballer but like many (prob myself included), couldnt beat psychological issues to enable him to play at the level he was very capable of.
Cavlan was a regular in the Tyrone team for 8+ years, probably the 2nd name on the team sheet after Canavan, and has an all Ireland medal in his back pocket so I'd argue he did play at the level he was capable of.
Stephen O Neill is one of those exceptional players, who will be remembered and talked about for years after he stops playing. Grandfathers of the future will tell their grand-children about him. The only comparable Tyrone forward would be Iggy Jones back in the fifties and early sixties. Peter Canavan was a great player but not in the same class as O Neill
Quote from: Pangurban on April 17, 2013, 12:52:16 AM
Stephen O Neill is one of those exceptional players, who will be remembered and talked about for years after he stops playing. Grandfathers of the future will tell their grand-children about him. The only comparable Tyrone forward would be Iggy Jones back in the fifties and early sixties. Peter Canavan was a great player but not in the same class as O Neill
;D
I remember when Stephen O'Neill was the lesser of the S. O'Neills plying their trade at inter-county. Ah, those were the days.
Some player but what the Lord was he thinking retiring when he did? It'd be like Bertie giving up elections after 1997 - the best years were ahead!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2013, 06:52:22 PM
not even the best player in Tyrone in the past 20yrs
I'd have to disagree. Would be a toss up between him and Canavan for me..
Players are rarely appreciated in their own counties to the same extent as other counties fear them. Usually to get a better analysis you have to go outside.
I remember in 2010 talking to a group of Tyrone fans over a pint after the game we beat them narrowly in the quarter final. They were saying Bernard Brogan was the best current footballer in Ireland. At the time I was thinking he was top class but I didn't think he was the best player in the country. Got me thinking me though.
For me O Neills performances in 2005 haven't been surpassed by any forward and are unlikely to be.
He is one of the few players you would bring kids quite a distance to watch playing. Its strange however that Tyrone seem quite unable to find a forward to get near his standard.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 16, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 16, 2013, 03:57:46 PM
thankfully they are a lot more sophisticated in the neighbouring Derry parish.
the Aughabrack ones are nice folk, a bit simple but nice. e.g. Fuzzman!
Aughabrack lady Annie Browne (Stevie's great-aunt) gave so much to the neighbouring parish heathens, being the esteemed and much adored Ma of Gerry, Eddie, Ciaran, etc., Mc Elhinney! ;)
Isn't that a bloody good one. It is all about genes.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2013, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2013, 06:52:22 PM
not even the best player in Tyrone in the past 20yrs
I'd have to disagree. Would be a toss up between him and Canavan for me..
Players are rarely appreciated in their own counties to the same extent as other counties fear them. Usually to get a better analysis you have to go outside.
I remember in 2010 talking to a group of Tyrone fans over a pint after the game we beat them narrowly in the quarter final. They were saying Bernard Brogan was the best current footballer in Ireland. At the time I was thinking he was top class but I didn't think he was the best player in the country. Got me thinking me though.
For me O Neills performances in 2005 haven't been surpassed by any forward and are unlikely to be.
He is one of the few players you would bring kids quite a distance to watch playing. Its strange however that Tyrone seem quite unable to find a forward to get near his standard.
Tyrone are unable to get a forward near his standard? What do you mean? We have the man himself - thats as close to his standard as you'll get. If you are suggesting that its strange that we dont have another one? Well players like him dont exactly grow in the bushes!
Stevie is massively well regarded but we have been spoiled in Tyrone with Peter in the 90's and Frank McGuigan in 80s. People from my generation will remember the performances of Canavan circa 1993-1996 and probably place him a notch above Stevie on the basis of that. This is not to diminish the regard with which O'Neill is held. I would suggest that if Stevie can drag, what could be a relatively average Tyrone team, (in comparison to the 2003-2008 era) to an All Ireland final, like Peter did in 1995, then he may just be able to take his seat alongside Canavan at the top of the tree for me.
Well Frank might be top of the tree, its hard to say, as he played in a era when the game was harder but not as fit/mobile compared to today standards, probably only seen glimpses of greatness that frank mcguigan was capable off, between america, car accident etc.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2013, 07:40:06 AM
For me O Neills performances in 2005 haven't been surpassed by any forward and are unlikely to be.
I wouldn't go that far but from a Tyrone perspective - and even more for Stevie himself I'm sure - that summer was a tantalising glimpse of what he was capable of at his very best. If you look at the Mickey Harte era with the senior team from 2003 I think SON has only been genuinely injury free in the championships of 2004 and 2005. He has played some great games since his return in 2008 but then ended up carrying an injury or two come the summer. This year must be his best run of games injury free since 2005. Hope for his sake it continues and we get a good summer out of him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2013, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2013, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2013, 06:52:22 PM
not even the best player in Tyrone in the past 20yrs
I'd have to disagree. Would be a toss up between him and Canavan for me..
Players are rarely appreciated in their own counties to the same extent as other counties fear them. Usually to get a better analysis you have to go outside.
I remember in 2010 talking to a group of Tyrone fans over a pint after the game we beat them narrowly in the quarter final. They were saying Bernard Brogan was the best current footballer in Ireland. At the time I was thinking he was top class but I didn't think he was the best player in the country. Got me thinking me though.
For me O Neills performances in 2005 haven't been surpassed by any forward and are unlikely to be.
He is one of the few players you would bring kids quite a distance to watch playing. Its strange however that Tyrone seem quite unable to find a forward to get near his standard.
Tyrone are unable to get a forward near his standard? What do you mean? We have the man himself - thats as close to his standard as you'll get. If you are suggesting that its strange that we dont have another one? Well players like him dont exactly grow in the bushes!
Stevie is massively well regarded but we have been spoiled in Tyrone with Peter in the 90's and Frank McGuigan in 80s. People from my generation will remember the performances of Canavan circa 1993-1996 and probably place him a notch above Stevie on the basis of that. This is not to diminish the regard with which O'Neill is held. I would suggest that if Stevie can drag, what could be a relatively average Tyrone team, (in comparison to the 2003-2008 era) to an All Ireland final, like Peter did in 1995, then he may just be able to take his seat alongside Canavan at the top of the tree for me.
You would have imagined with the interest in football in tyrone and a number of all ireland minor titles you would get one forward ready to take over. Maybe not to the same level- but not far off it.
To be honest you have no-one yet and when he retires I don't know what you're going to do. He'll probably play at club level till he's 40 plus but at county level he's probably got 2 years max after this one.
Quote from: Pangurban on April 17, 2013, 12:52:16 AM
Stephen O Neill is one of those exceptional players, who will be remembered and talked about for years after he stops playing. Grandfathers of the future will tell their grand-children about him. The only comparable Tyrone forward would be Iggy Jones back in the fifties and early sixties. Peter Canavan was a great player but not in the same class as O Neill
Ah no. Stephen is an exceptional and effortless point taker. Canavan could pick the ball up at midfield, jink around half the defence, ship tackle after tackle and then score off his left foot whilst being milled in the process, like Iggy Jones. You've got the wrong comparison there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PVJtHiR-qk
He was a greedy balax at county level too:
v Derry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cEc9kyQoGg
v Galway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWpS1NkFMFU&feature=endscreen
He was the greatest but that footage shows what a disservice it is to describe Tyrone 95 as a one man team,
Quote from: rrhf on April 17, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
He was the greatest but that footage shows what a disservice it is to describe Tyrone 95 as a one man team,
That semi footage reminds me of how good Cush was.
As regards a one-man team - this is the final v Cavan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMxqi9yzWTs - Peter hardly touched her early on!!
Quote from: ONeill on April 17, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
That semi footage reminds me of how good Cush was.
His absence cost us the '95 Final!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 17, 2013, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 17, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
That semi footage reminds me of how good Cush was.
His absence cost us the '95 Final!
Was just about to post the same, that was a massive blow
The forgotten man, but there were some other fantastic servants in that team and talented footballers to boot. Lets not forget they became the first team in a generation to run back to back which had been deemed almost impossible- the scenes as Cush scored the goal in 95 were unforgettable for Tyrone supporters as they invaded the pitch.
SO'N was an exceptional footballer but not on the same plain as Canavan, fantastic player though.
Quote from: heffo on April 18, 2013, 06:41:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2013, 11:58:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 17, 2013, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 17, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
That semi footage reminds me of how good Cush was.
His absence cost us the '95 Final!
Was just about to post the same, that was a massive blow
Get up the yard
That coupled with not starting Mattie McGleenan - if memory serves me right, the Dubs moved Brian Stynes to corner back that day out of fear of big Mattie when he came on.
Tyrone have young forwards coming through like Coney and Ronan O'Neill who cannot be compared to SON or anyone else for another few years yet.
Cush would be up there with Canavan for me aswell. Great player and his left was as sweet as Stevie's, his free taking was also top quality. Maybe his county form never really got to the same level as his club performances although as others have said he was having a great year 95 until the injury.
Can't believe what I'm reading from some people on here.
I can take Heffo's point that people from a players home county or club in my instance might be tougher on someone or see him in a different light but I really can't believe some people are saying Cush or even Cavlan were better players than Stevie.
Cush was a great player and often showed moments of brilliance but he never was really able to take on one or two men the way Canaan or Stevie did in my eyes. Agreed I never saw him much at club level but to me he was well down the list of players in Tyrone's top 10 forwards.
For me Canavan was the man. The way he used to even out jump taller markers and win his own ball. Then solo and dummy past several men as if they weren't there. Many days in Clones come to mind during the mind 90's and he really was unstoppable or at least so we thought until Meath removed him from the game.
Stevie I think maybe didn't have the same pace or acceleration that Canavan had to get away from men. He had more strength and always seemed to have people hanging out of him every time he won the ball. For me Canavan was more consistent with his shooting and rarely missed any chances he took. He'd always know his limitations and where he could shoot from, whereas I'd say Stevie had hit more wides over his career. Maybe I'm being very hard on him.
Memories of Canavan terrorising Derry & Down defences in the 90's sit well in the aul noggin.
It got to the stage that when he eventually lost the ball the other fans would cheer as it was so rare.
I think Stephen o Neill can greatly enhance his already legendary status by taking tyrone to an all ireland final this year
This was all a set up!!!!
Canavan is number one and SON is number 2, Cush didn't have nearly the impact at County level that either of these two had.
It's a nice argument for ye Tyronies to have - ranking Frank McGuigan, Peter Canavan, Adrian Cush & Stevie O'Neill. All played in the last 30 odd years - ye have been spoiled. Only Kerry could match those guys in that timeframe.
Good interview on off the ball
http://www.newstalk.ie/ONeill-lead-Tyrone (http://www.newstalk.ie/ONeill-lead-Tyrone)
Adrian Cush Eugene McKenna Brian Dooher
Stephen O'Neill Frank McGuigan Peter Canavan
Is that ok?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 18, 2013, 11:20:36 AM
Can't believe what I'm reading from some people on here.
I can take Heffo's point that people from a players home county or club in my instance might be tougher on someone or see him in a different light but I really can't believe some people are saying Cush or even Cavlan were better players than Stevie.
Cush was a great player and often showed moments of brilliance but he never was really able to take on one or two men the way Canaan or Stevie did in my eyes. Agreed I never saw him much at club level but to me he was well down the list of players in Tyrone's top 10 forwards.
For me Canavan was the man. The way he used to even out jump taller markers and win his own ball. Then solo and dummy past several men as if they weren't there. Many days in Clones come to mind during the mind 90's and he really was unstoppable or at least so we thought until Meath removed him from the game.
Stevie I think maybe didn't have the same pace or acceleration that Canavan had to get away from men. He had more strength and always seemed to have people hanging out of him every time he won the ball. For me Canavan was more consistent with his shooting and rarely missed any chances he took. He'd always know his limitations and where he could shoot from, whereas I'd say Stevie had hit more wides over his career. Maybe I'm being very hard on him.
Memories of Canavan terrorising Derry & Down defences in the 90's sit well in the aul noggin.
It got to the stage that when he eventually lost the ball the other fans would cheer as it was so rare.
i agree with Fuzzman, as fantastic a player as stevie is, (one of the best forwards in the country over the past decade) Peter was without a doubt the best forward i have ever seen.
Over a prolonged period of time and particularly that era in the 90s mention he was just untouchable
boys like cush & cavlan, while being excellent footballers in thier own right, arent in the same league for me
Quote from: The Trap on April 19, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
Adrian Cush Eugene McKenna Brian Dooher
Stephen O'Neill Frank McGuigan Peter Canavan
Is that ok?
No
Sean Cavanagh
Brian McGuigan
Philip Jordan (Just to annoy the Our Ma wans)
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2 great points, but we could appreciate them even more with a bit of decent camera work.
RTE are outdated with their fixed point cameras. A moving camera that was in line with the ball would really capture the points in all their glory.
this is another element to something I brought up a year or two ago when we were discussing tv/video evidence on here.
with the modern age, there are web cams that could be positioned all alroung the structure of croke park (or any GAA stadium) - for croker I'd say just under the premium level slab.
3D type footage can be pieced together from the real time footage.
There may be more editing for GAA to do, but these pictures would give steaming users potential control over the angle and view of the game they want. This would have to be after game time as I am not sure that it would be technically viable to do so live.
it would also help adjudicate on contentious scores or foul play/off the ball incidents.
with the low cost of this equipment, all or main county stadia could have a certain amount of web/ip cameras.
GAA could sell the footage for a higher premium to rte/tv3/setanta etc (I guess there would be bigger profit margin if we supplied our own equipment and furnish media companies with the finished article (game footage).
IF SON could remain inj free for a season it would be fantastic to watch his repetoire of skills. He really is an score taking artist.
Gerard Cavlan was a sublime footballer but like many (prob myself included), couldnt beat psychological issues to enable him to play at the level he was very capable of.
Cavlan was a regular in the Tyrone team for 8+ years, probably the 2nd name on the team sheet after Canavan, and has an all Ireland medal in his back pocket so I'd argue he did play at the level he was capable of.
He may have played at the highest levels, but what I'm saying is that Cavlan didn't consistently play to the supreme standards of his abilities. Saw him as a minor and onwards. He was good, but I don't know why he never fully turned it on. Great player all the same.
Still for me the red arses list has to be topped by wee cranky Peter with SON vying with frank MCG for second.
Canavan the better all rounder but for pure scoring accuracy I'd have to say I believe SON possibly the better sharpshooter. His range extended to either sideline whereas Canavans wasn't quite as far.
Neither as good as Paddy Bradley though ! ;)
Canavan was the man. I hate to admit it but he was. SON nowhere near canavan.
there's no argument:
only one true God......
I wouldn't know which God is the one true God.
Having the classy, superb O'Neill in the Tyrone line up, (one could argue) is the equivalent of lipstick on the pig.
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
Having the classy, superb O'Neill in the Tyrone line up, (one could argue) is the equivalent of lipstick on the pig.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh and a Canavan fan here too.
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
Having the classy, superb O'Neill in the Tyrone line up, (one could argue) is the equivalent of lipstick on the pig.
Yep, Clontibret knows all one needs to know about pigs!
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 18, 2013, 11:20:36 AM
Can't believe what I'm reading from some people on here.
I can take Heffo's point that people from a players home county or club in my instance might be tougher on someone or see him in a different light but I really can't believe some people are saying Cush or even Cavlan were better players than Stevie.
Cush was a great player and often showed moments of brilliance but he never was really able to take on one or two men the way Canaan or Stevie did in my eyes. Agreed I never saw him much at club level but to me he was well down the list of players in Tyrone's top 10 forwards.
For me Canavan was the man. The way he used to even out jump taller markers and win his own ball. Then solo and dummy past several men as if they weren't there. Many days in Clones come to mind during the mind 90's and he really was unstoppable or at least so we thought until Meath removed him from the game.
Stevie I think maybe didn't have the same pace or acceleration that Canavan had to get away from men. He had more strength and always seemed to have people hanging out of him every time he won the ball. For me Canavan was more consistent with his shooting and rarely missed any chances he took. He'd always know his limitations and where he could shoot from, whereas I'd say Stevie had hit more wides over his career. Maybe I'm being very hard on him.
Memories of Canavan terrorising Derry & Down defences in the 90's sit well in the aul noggin.
It got to the stage that when he eventually lost the ball the other fans would cheer as it was so rare.
He twisted his ankle.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2013, 11:17:40 PM
He twisted his ankle.
Indeed, in much the same way as JFK took a creak in his neck in Dallas.
Or Steve Irwin goaded the stingray.
Our most surreal achievement was getting him sent off against Armagh in '05.
Quote from: Hardy on April 22, 2013, 12:49:37 AM
Our most surreal achievement was getting him sent off against Armagh in '05.
Fcukin backfired on yiz ye basterds.