Poll
Question:
If you had to be loyal to only one. Would it be Ireland or God?
Option 1: Ireland
votes: 20
Option 2: God
votes: 23
On the whole Daddy of Chips idea. If you had to make the choice and you could only choose one. Would you pledge your loyalty to Ireland or God. Now let the Christians out there remember if God really does exist, that he will know which one you chose. Remember the confession box only works if you don't pre-plan to use it as a get of gaol/jail free card ;)
So which will it be, loyalty to Ireland or loyalty to God?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 02:48:55 AM
On the whole Daddy of Chips idea. If you had to make the choice and you could only choose one. Would you pledge your loyalty to Ireland or God. Now let the Christians out there remember if God really does exist, that he will know which one you chose. Remember the confession box only works if you don't pre-plan to use it as a get of gaol/jail free card ;)
So which will it be, loyalty to Ireland or loyalty to God?
::) And yet it's the Christian right that is continually hounded and portrayed as being out and out crazies/fcuked up in the head ::)
What scenario would bring about this decision?
Given the choice would you cut off your arms or your legs?
Would you choose black teeth or no teeth?
Red or black in roulette?
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 06:20:03 AM
What scenario would bring about this decision?
Given the choice would you cut off your arms or your legs?
Would you choose black teeth or no teeth?
Red or black in roulette?
This was meant in a fun way. Like the Dad or Chips question. I am interested to know where peoples loyalty lie. It would be interesting to know where the loyalties of our Irishmen and women lie. The question is a very easy one for me, Ireland all the way. For someone who is very very religious, God may be the easy option. But it is the middle ground which is the most intriguing to discover.
To win the lotto or live forever was a question on 8 out of 10 cats. Most people said the lotto. I'd probably be the same. Living forever would get tedious after a while. Floating around in space after the world had been blown up wouldn't be too nice either.
I was serious about the red of black question. You hear people from time to time saying they'd love to head to Vegas and stick it all on red. I'm not so sure about red.
Do you mean loyalty to God as in tell the devil to f**k off?
Which God are you on about by the way?
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 06:49:38 AM
To win the lotto or live forever was a question on 8 out of 10 cats. Most people said the lotto. I'd probably be the same. Living forever would get tedious after a while. Floating around in space after the world had been blown up wouldn't be too nice either.
I was serious about the red of black question. You hear people from time to time saying they'd love to head to Vegas and stick it all on red. I'm not so sure about red.
Do you mean loyalty to God as in tell the devil to f**k off?
Which God are you on about by the way?
Well if you want a silly barstool senario (in the spirit of the what if game)
If you choose God, Ireland is destroyed, every grain of soil, sand, peat etc. and the Irish people destroyed after a period of slavery, but if God turns out to be real then the entire population of the Earth for all time including the Irish live forever in the afterlife in a state of happiness.
If you choose Ireland, Ireland prospers and is a happy place and its people live healthy, happy and prosperous lifes. If God is real you and the Irish people on their individual dealths burn in the fires of hell forever, but if God is not real everything ends for you when you die and you have enjoyed life and future generations of Irish live a life of happiness for as long as their lifes lasts.
If you want to take the question more seriously
You could just answer it based on a real life scenario. What happens if the Law of the Irish People and the Laws of God clash, who are you going to side with.
The God I talk about is probably the one of the Judaic-Christian-Islamic traditions.
maygodhelpus, Obviously you have chosen God. Your definition in the bottom line says it all. ;D ;D ;D
Id say I'd have to live in the now. The thing about it is though, I'd say God would let you in at the end anyway as long as you lived a decent enough life. You would also have given the people of Ireland a great gift in the way of happiness an prosperity. God is bound to respect your sacrifice in that scenario.
Yip I'd take Ireland.
So, red or black?
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 29, 2011, 04:19:37 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 02:48:55 AM
On the whole Daddy of Chips idea. If you had to make the choice and you could only choose one. Would you pledge your loyalty to Ireland or God. Now let the Christians out there remember if God really does exist, that he will know which one you chose. Remember the confession box only works if you don't pre-plan to use it as a get of gaol/jail free card ;)
So which will it be, loyalty to Ireland or loyalty to God?
::) And yet it's the Christian right that is continually hounded and portrayed as being out and out crazies/fcuked up in the head ::)
But they are!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 06:40:00 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 06:20:03 AM
What scenario would bring about this decision?
Given the choice would you cut off your arms or your legs?
Would you choose black teeth or no teeth?
Red or black in roulette?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 07:13:07 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2011, 06:49:38 AM
To win the lotto or live forever was a question on 8 out of 10 cats. Most people said the lotto. I'd probably be the same. Living forever would get tedious after a while. Floating around in space after the world had been blown up wouldn't be too nice either.
I was serious about the red of black question. You hear people from time to time saying they'd love to head to Vegas and stick it all on red. I'm not so sure about red.
Do you mean loyalty to God as in tell the devil to f**k off?
Which God are you on about by the way?
Well if you want a silly barstool senario (in the spirit of the what if game)
If you choose God, Ireland is destroyed, every grain of soil, sand, peat etc. and the Irish people destroyed after a period of slavery, but if God turns out to be real then the entire population of the Earth for all time including the Irish live forever in the afterlife in a state of happiness.
If you choose Ireland, Ireland prospers and is a happy place and its people live healthy, happy and prosperous lifes. If God is real you and the Irish people on their individual dealths burn in the fires of hell forever, but if God is not real everything ends for you when you die and you have enjoyed life and future generations of Irish live a life of happiness for as long as their lifes lasts.
If you want to take the question more seriously
You could just answer it based on a real life scenario. What happens if the Law of the Irish People and the Laws of God clash, who are you going to side with.
The God I talk about is probably the one of the Judaic-Christian-Islamic traditions.
Like the Dad or Chips question. I am interested to know where peoples loyalty lie. It would be interesting to know where the loyalties of our Irishmen and women lie. The question is a very easy one for me, Ireland all the way. For someone who is very very religious, God may be the easy option. But it is the middle ground which is the most intriguing to discover.
Bollocks - your usual agenda - and could you have loaded the question anymore? ::)
Sounds like a question the pope would ask! Unless God comes down and directly gives me the choices I won't be able to make my mind up.
Biscuit or Cake?
On a side note if you have 'for God and Ulster' why not 'For God and Ireland' thus removing the need for any choice whatsoever*
*assumes we are the chosen people, which would make us the 5556th group to claim this status
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2011, 09:48:23 AM
I can see how this one pans out.
We all weigh in behind Ireland against God. The free staters do a side deal with God so that they claim victory, leaving us nordies to get the shit kicked out of us. Then when we fight back, using the same tactics that were always used, we are lambasted by the free state. The free state then invite God to to Dublin and Cork, like the sun shines out of his hole.
:D :D :D
Here MGHU, go on tell me who I voted for in the thread.
If God exists, then I'd probably go with him.
But I won't know till I'm dead so I'll stick with Ireland till then.
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2011, 10:42:11 AM
Is God a sleekit, greedy wee cnut who would cut his granny's throat for the sniff of 5 euro?
If not, I'd back him.
Don't think God has/had a Granny.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 02:48:55 AM
On the whole Daddy of Chips idea. If you had to make the choice and you could only choose one. Would you pledge your loyalty to Ireland or God. Now let the Christians out there remember if God really does exist, that he will know which one you chose. Remember the confession box only works if you don't pre-plan to use it as a get of gaol/jail free card ;)
So which will it be, loyalty to Ireland or loyalty to God?
Says the man who's over in England! ::)
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
Is mayogodhelpus eligible for a God v Ireland referendum?
What about Ireland v The Pope?
Why is mayogodhelpus getting Ireland into loads of fights, while staying well out of the road?
Well Ireland v The Pope is taking place already, think Ireland is kicking his ass at the moment. Also thats a real fight, as the Pope unlike God exists.
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2011, 10:36:35 PM
When was the last time mayogodhelpus spent a fiver in Ireland?
Rats from a sinking ship? Was he the first rat?
"If we only had old Ireland over here".
Is it easy to love Ireland from afar?
Spent a fiver in Ireland last week. Perferred not to add to the dole queue in Ireland, so choose to work in England. Of course when I worked in Ireland I was paying taxes to the government of the Irish Republic. (Wait for the jokes about Berlin).
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2011, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 02:48:55 AM
On the whole Daddy of Chips idea. If you had to make the choice and you could only choose one. Would you pledge your loyalty to Ireland or God. Now let the Christians out there remember if God really does exist, that he will know which one you chose. Remember the confession box only works if you don't pre-plan to use it as a get of gaol/jail free card ;)
So which will it be, loyalty to Ireland or loyalty to God?
Says the man who's over in England! ::)
Showed my loyalth to Ireland by chooseing honest work in England over contributing to the dole figures in the already stretched finances of Ireland.
It is a little worrying that 54.2% of people in the poll at the moment would betray Mother Ireland for an Imaginary Friend.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
It is a little worrying that 54.2% of people in the poll at the moment would betray Mother Ireland for an Imaginary Friend.
MGHU, how is it you talk about not using terms like "nordie" or "free stater" as they might be insulting, yet you happily grossly insult people over their faith? Is that not self-contradictory?
Ohhh wait, contradicting yourself is your speciality isn't it.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
It is a little worrying that 54.2% of people in the poll at the moment would betray Mother Ireland for an Imaginary Friend.
MGHU, how is it you talk about not using terms like "nordie" or "free stater" as they might be insulting, yet you happily grossly insult people over their faith? Is that not self-contradictory?
Ohhh wait, contradicting yourself is your speciality isn't it.
Would you put the Tooth Fairy before Ireland. God = the Tooth Fairy = the Banshee = the Easter Bunny = Thor = Batman. You talk about what a great Irishman you are but you cannot see how clear and easy choice it is to pick Mother Ireland.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
It is a little worrying that 54.2% of people in the poll at the moment would betray Mother Ireland for an Imaginary Friend.
MGHU, how is it you talk about not using terms like "nordie" or "free stater" as they might be insulting, yet you happily grossly insult people over their faith? Is that not self-contradictory?
Ohhh wait, contradicting yourself is your speciality isn't it.
Would you put the Tooth Fairy before Ireland. God = the Tooth Fairy = the Banshee = the Easter Bunny = Thor = Batman. You talk about what a great Irishman you are but you cannot see how clear and easy choice it is to pick Mother Ireland.
So it's ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call them a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend?
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:38:44 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
It is a little worrying that 54.2% of people in the poll at the moment would betray Mother Ireland for an Imaginary Friend.
MGHU, how is it you talk about not using terms like "nordie" or "free stater" as they might be insulting, yet you happily grossly insult people over their faith? Is that not self-contradictory?
Ohhh wait, contradicting yourself is your speciality isn't it.
Would you put the Tooth Fairy before Ireland. God = the Tooth Fairy = the Banshee = the Easter Bunny = Thor = Batman. You talk about what a great Irishman you are but you cannot see how clear and easy choice it is to pick Mother Ireland.
So it's ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call them a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzCbmepv5jNmaMvYb62SW3Rshd51NA-4qcUeXp8dxOmtZQ5GeM)
Answer my question...
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:44:18 PM
Answer my question...
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzCbmepv5jNmaMvYb62SW3Rshd51NA-4qcUeXp8dxOmtZQ5GeM)
That is your answer.
No that is a picture outlining your view of people with faith in a religion.
So I will ask you AGAIN (that sounded familiar):
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call them a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:50:57 PM
No that is a picture outlining your view of people with faith in a religion.
So I will ask you AGAIN (that sounded familiar):
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call them a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
Ireland/the World exists,
God does not.[/b]
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En5vG2QGHL8/SiM0GQGqzYI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/lGmG4QITwFQ/s400/Christians+Know.jpg)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 29, 2011, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2011, 11:50:57 PM
No that is a picture outlining your view of people with faith in a religion.
So I will ask you AGAIN (that sounded familiar):
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call them a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
Ireland/the World exists, God does not.[/b]
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En5vG2QGHL8/SiM0GQGqzYI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/lGmG4QITwFQ/s400/Christians+Know.jpg)
You see MGHU, according to your beliefs, God doesn't exist, but according to many many others, He does. Your belittling of them for their beliefs is insulting. So I ask you
AGAIN:
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not to call someone a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
Please please please stay focused will you, and answer my specific question.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
but according to many many others, He does.
Well they are wrong.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
but according to many many others, He does.
Well they are wrong.
And in their opinion, you are wrong. But who is right and who is wrong is
not the point (try to get your head around that for a second.)
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not OK to call someone a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
It's a fact that "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves"
This and the abuse thread was built on nothing more than Crocodile tears :'(
From the sheer detestable insults out of the English idiot here one can surely assume
that getting the boot in to a mans faith clearly takes precedence over any other issue... abuse included!
Now carry on... back to crying us a river lads ::)
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well.
I think Iceman speaks for the majority of Irish people, whereas MGHU speaks for a sad embittered minority who deny God, but are obsessed about religion. MGHU it does not matter if you believe in God, what matters is that he believes in you. Perhaps in future you will practise a little humanism and humility by according some respect for peoples beliefs, as you would expect them to respect yours. Your increasingly mocking posts, betray an inferiority complex, consumed by doubt, rationalisation and self loathing. Someone once said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundre. The tone of your recent posts, is a fine example of the truth of this edict. Time to give it a rest Man
Quote from: Pangurban on July 30, 2011, 02:30:25 AM
I think Iceman speaks for the majority of Irish people, whereas MGHU speaks for a sad embittered minority who deny God, but are obsessed about religion. MGHU it does not matter if you believe in God, what matters is that he believes in you. Perhaps in future you will practise a little humanism and humility by according some respect for peoples beliefs, as you would expect them to respect yours. Your increasingly mocking posts, betray an inferiority complex, consumed by doubt, rationalisation and self loathing. Someone once said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundre. The tone of your recent posts, is a fine example of the truth of this edict. Time to give it a rest Man
This level of delusion is breathtaking. I don't need your imaginary friend, :D something which does not exist cannot believe in anything.
You believe because your mother and father told you what to believe, had they told you to believe in the flying telephone monkey you would believe in that with the same degree of delusion.
You are missing the point, it is not rationalisation, it is rational. I don't have any doubht, thats why I believe that those who would choose God over our country do not put the interests of our nation first.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 30, 2011, 01:54:45 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well.
O ffs I didn't just reintroduce the Penal Laws did I ::)
MGHU, show some level of maturity here and stop dodging and ignoring the point. This is now the 7th time I have asked you to answer my straight forward question...
Is it ok to insult people for having faith in a religion, but not OK to call someone a "free stater" or "nordie" because that might offend, as you have previously stated?
Nally I think it's quite clear that MGHU sees religion as an easy target and a way to wind people up. He has a personal vendetta against religion and isn't big enough to admit that he's trampling on people's beliefs for personal enjoyment.
He doesn't seem to want to answer your question as it is blatantly obvious what the answer is. He never even answered the red or black question FFS.
MGHU, are you saying the flying telephone monkey does not exist? Were my parents lying after all? :'(
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Allegiance to a parish my arse. In fact, allegiance to a county my arse. Those are rural, GAA sentiments. I couldn't tell you the name of the parish I live in and I'm still not 100% sure of whether the part of Belfast I live in lies in Antrim or Down. I also don't think it's sad at all that more and more Irish people are choosing to throw off the shackles of the catholic faith. Any step away from organised religion is a step in the right direction, in my opinion.
Should people's religious beliefs in a thread like this be given more respect that people's political beliefs in those threads?
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 30, 2011, 08:07:45 AM
Allegiance to a parish my arse. In fact, allegiance to a county my arse. Those are rural, GAA sentiments.
Quite true to be fair - allegiance to parish (translated as 'club') and county are GAA sentiments.
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case.
Why is it sad? What were people getting then that they don't get now?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 02:55:58 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 30, 2011, 01:54:45 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well.
O ffs I didn't just reintroduce the Penal Laws did I ::)
Ah come on, Magoo; You are totally missing my point. ;D
Here is what I wrote:
"Well done, Iceman.
You have stated
your case extremely well."
I don't personally agree with some of what he wrote and I don't think anything in the above implies that I do.
I can say the same just as readily about Nally Stand.
While I'm at it, Myles also uses a discernible form of logic as a framework for his opinions. (Like that? ;D)
He doesn't appear to agree with Iceman's point of view; does he?
A very high percentage of voters on this board tend to state their opinions clearly; a few don't appear to know the difference between a full stop and a bus stop.
So what? I can still follow their arguments as they usually give their reasons for stating them.
I couldn't possibly agree with them all.
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
Should there be a right to not be offended?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaJelU29jeI
Quote from: Hardy on July 30, 2011, 11:47:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaJelU29jeI
I like it!
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Believeing in God is akin to claiming to be abducted by extraterrestrial aliens. The major difference being at least extraterrestrial aliens might exist, at least scientificaly possible and probable.
Hey Nallystand while neither God or the Free State actually exist, we have to at least acknowledge the Irish Free State existed at one time in the past, something God never did.
Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
(http://x05.xanga.com/1f1e3223c3334277829067/m221309879.jpg)
what does god look like ? Does he like Taytos ?
How do you know God doesn't exist mghu?
He should have used this one:
(http://osocio.org/images/uploads/atheist-bus-campaign-4_thumb.gif)
I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Believeing in God is akin to claiming to be abducted by extraterrestrial aliens. The major difference being at least extraterrestrial aliens might exist, at least scientificaly possible and probable.
Hey Nallystand while neither God or the Free State actually exist, we have to at least acknowledge the Irish Free State existed at one time in the past, something God never did.
Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
(http://x05.xanga.com/1f1e3223c3334277829067/m221309879.jpg)
MGHU, you are only succeeding in showing a complete lack of tolerance and respect for people having faith in a God. As another poster said, it's like you take pleasure from trying to offend by being as dismissive, arrogant and condescending as possible towards people having a religious faith. As I said earlier, that makes a mockery of your stated aim of not wanting to offend people by using terms such as "free stater" and of your disdain for other people directing that term at you because it "offends" you.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2011, 11:33:58 PM
I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.
Mmmmm not a potential bum like you, I choose work over the dole, because I love Ireland and don't believe in a false god to save me.
I am man, therefore I crush god with my baby finger.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Believeing in God is akin to claiming to be abducted by extraterrestrial aliens. The major difference being at least extraterrestrial aliens might exist, at least scientificaly possible and probable.
Hey Nallystand while neither God or the Free State actually exist, we have to at least acknowledge the Irish Free State existed at one time in the past, something God never did.
Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
(http://x05.xanga.com/1f1e3223c3334277829067/m221309879.jpg)
MGHU, you are only succeeding in showing a complete lack of tolerance and respect for people having faith in a God. As another poster said, it's like you take pleasure from trying to offend by being as dismissive, arrogant and condescending as possible towards people having a religious faith. As I said earlier, that makes a mockery of your stated aim of not wanting to offend people by using terms such as "free stater" and of your disdain for other people directing that term at you because it "offends" you.
Why tolerate adults with imaginary friends. Ireland can do better, it deserves better. Traitors choose god over Ireland.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:31:03 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2011, 11:33:58 PM
I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.
Mmmmm not a potential bum like you, I choose work over the dole, because I love Ireland and don't believe in a false god to save me.
I am man, therefore I crush god with my baby finger.
you keep telling yourself that. I'd have more respect for someone who believed in god and stood by his principles than someone who'd preach about being a good Irish man while running away to line their own pockets.
Sell out.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:31:03 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2011, 11:33:58 PM
I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.
Mmmmm not a potential bum like you, I choose work over the dole, because I love Ireland and don't believe in a false god to save me.
I am man, therefore I crush god with my baby finger.
you keep telling yourself that. I'd have more respect for someone who believed in god and stood by his principles than someone who'd preach about being a good Irish man while running away to line their own pockets.
Sell out.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Can your pussy god not stand up for itself. Come out ya god and tan and fight me like a man. ;)
I am no sell out, I earn my money, you god freak traitor.
Your god is so weak I fart in its general direction.
(http://rlv.zcache.com/i_hate_god_spoof_i_love_bumper_sticker-p128317541857523186trl0_400.jpg)
Go on Smite me Big Man, lol :D
Yeah you keep deflecting to God bashing. Trying to hide the fact that you sold out "Mother Ireland" to earn a few pounds.
MGHU roll of honor
Money
Mother Ireland
God
Go on give us another picture.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 12:47:14 AM
Yeah you keep deflecting to God bashing. Trying to hide the fact that you sold out "Mother Ireland" to earn a few pounds.
MGHU roll of honor
Money
Mother Ireland
God
Will I come back for the dole then? You god loving freak. Apes have a better grasp of the universe than idiots who believe in god.
You could preach a bit less about being such a great Irish man and kept the head low. That wouldn't have drawn attention to the fact that a couple of pound made you abandon any loyality you had to ireland.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 12:54:37 AM
You could preach a bit less about being such a great Irish man and kept the head low. That wouldn't have drawn attention to the fact that a couple of pound made you abandon any loyality you had to ireland.
If you spent less time cowering at Mass and more earning your own money Ireland would be in a better place. Question, does god exist?
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Believeing in God is akin to claiming to be abducted by extraterrestrial aliens. The major difference being at least extraterrestrial aliens might exist, at least scientificaly possible and probable.
Hey Nallystand while neither God or the Free State actually exist, we have to at least acknowledge the Irish Free State existed at one time in the past, something God never did.
Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
(http://x05.xanga.com/1f1e3223c3334277829067/m221309879.jpg)
MGHU, you are only succeeding in showing a complete lack of tolerance and respect for people having faith in a God. As another poster said, it's like you take pleasure from trying to offend by being as dismissive, arrogant and condescending as possible towards people having a religious faith. As I said earlier, that makes a mockery of your stated aim of not wanting to offend people by using terms such as "free stater" and of your disdain for other people directing that term at you because it "offends" you.
Why tolerate adults with imaginary friends. Ireland can do better, it deserves better. Traitors choose god over Ireland.
In the words of Joe Brolly, you are deliberately missing the point. My argument with you is nothing to do with faith or religion, it is about you on one hand saying you don't like to use offensive language or be referred to with offensive language, yet you are using offensive language in this thread.
(A reply outlining your atheism is not a response to my point, try get your head around that this time).
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 31, 2011, 01:24:01 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 30, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: fer fox ache on July 30, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Nally Stand I think it is allowable to take the piss out of people for their religious beliefs. If your faith is so weak as to be unable to bear a few smart arse remarks then it's not worth a pish.
The whole argument that you can't take the hand out of someone's religious beliefs is entirely subjective. Take for instance Scientology, most Christians will happily take the piss out of it with it's stories of aliens etc, but in truth it's no less farcical than a yarn about a man who was born of virgin, could walk on water and rose from the dead.
Religious belief is delusional and I reserve the right to mercilessly rip the pish out of it.
You are missing my point. This is nothing to do with me having faith either strong or weak. It is not even anything to do with faith at all. It is about double standards surrounding claims to not want to offend. MGHU claims he would not use certain language or phrases which could be seen as offensive yet he happily uses other phrases which could also be seen as highly offensive.
Believeing in God is akin to claiming to be abducted by extraterrestrial aliens. The major difference being at least extraterrestrial aliens might exist, at least scientificaly possible and probable.
Hey Nallystand while neither God or the Free State actually exist, we have to at least acknowledge the Irish Free State existed at one time in the past, something God never did.
Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
(http://x05.xanga.com/1f1e3223c3334277829067/m221309879.jpg)
MGHU, you are only succeeding in showing a complete lack of tolerance and respect for people having faith in a God. As another poster said, it's like you take pleasure from trying to offend by being as dismissive, arrogant and condescending as possible towards people having a religious faith. As I said earlier, that makes a mockery of your stated aim of not wanting to offend people by using terms such as "free stater" and of your disdain for other people directing that term at you because it "offends" you.
Why tolerate adults with imaginary friends. Ireland can do better, it deserves better. Traitors choose god over Ireland.
In the words of Joe Brolly, you are deliberately missing the point. My argument with you is nothing to do with faith or religion, it is about you on one hand saying you don't like to use offensive language or be referred to with offensive language, yet you are using offensive language in this thread.
(A reply outlining your atheism is not a response to my point, try get your head around that this time).
Your obviously a bit thick. Religion is ridiculous, therefore fair game to ridicule. No apoligies required. Yes I can ridicule it all I like, it is ridiculous.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 30, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 30, 2011, 02:55:58 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 30, 2011, 01:54:45 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose.
Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God. It means you are recognising that no one group, organisation or institution can have an influence over the governing of the people of Ireland.
A long time ago I posted a thread about connectedness and allegiance. Most people agreed that you have more allegiance to your parish than to your country. That connectedness comes from people, the place, community and more often Gaelic Games. But in the midst of that has always been God. Maybe not for everyone but at least for most. Your parish is centered around the place of worship, it wouldn't exist in the terms you know it as today without that place of worship.
Around the world the words "Irish" and "Catholic" go hand in hand. There is a presumption (rightly or wrongly) that if you're Irish you have some faith. People have told me that when you know someone is Irish "you know what you're getting".
It's sad that this is no longer the case. The faith of Irish men and women has spread all over the world and helped forge communities and strengthen families everywhere. But today there seems little hope of that continuing. Not because of the failings of the Church, but because the same sheep mentality that the Church took advantage of throughout the centuries, is now being used by those who would see it crumble.
If you have faith in God and want to continue searching and growing in that faith, then don't stop because the majority think you're wrong. Many of the same majority will be calling for God on their death beds and thankful of your prayers.
Not so long ago Roman Catholics were persecuted for their faith and responded in great numbers and fought for that faith. Back then it was our planted neighbours who did the persecuting, now its "our own".
There is no excuse for what happened in the Church. But God is still God.
Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well.
O ffs I didn't just reintroduce the Penal Laws did I ::)
Ah come on, Magoo; You are totally missing my point. ;D
Here is what I wrote:
"Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well."
I don't personally agree with some of what he wrote and I don't think anything in the above implies that I do.
I can say the same just as readily about Nally Stand.
While I'm at it, Myles also uses a discernible form of logic as a framework for his opinions. (Like that? ;D)
He doesn't appear to agree with Iceman's point of view; does he?
A very high percentage of voters on this board tend to state their opinions clearly; a few don't appear to know the difference between a full stop and a bus stop.
So what? I can still follow their arguments as they usually give their reasons for stating them.
I couldn't possibly agree with them all.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mgh14AqCOu8/TMH9sUS3lPI/AAAAAAAACyI/0gNTFgbi23I/S742/the_atheist.jpg)
Of course I am missing it Lar, thats the point. Its funny to laugh at adults who believe in imaginary friends. Its hillarious to mock those who cannot validate themselves without a superhuman being.
For no reason, but I find it funny.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:33:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
O ffs I didn't just reintroduce the Penal Laws did I ::)
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Ah come on, Magoo; You are totally missing my point. ;D
Here is what I wrote:
"Well done, Iceman.
You have stated your case extremely well."
I don't personally agree with some of what he wrote and I don't think anything in the above implies that I do.
I can say the same just as readily about Nally Stand.
While I'm at it, Myles also uses a discernible form of logic as a framework for his opinions. (Like that? ;D)
He doesn't appear to agree with Iceman's point of view; does he?
A very high percentage of voters on this board tend to state their opinions clearly; a few don't appear to know the difference between a full stop and a bus stop.
So what? I can still follow their arguments as they usually give their reasons for stating them.
I couldn't possibly agree with them all.
[/quote]damnit lar,just when it was safe to go back in the water out comes the full stoppianism again :P
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:33:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:50:38 AM
Of course I am missing it Lar, thats the point. Its funny to laugh at adults who believe in imaginary friends. Its hillarious to mock those who cannot validate themselves without a superhuman being.
Okay, I hope you can follow me here.
Will you accept that there is no connection in logic between your first sentence (bolded) and what follows?
In that opening sentence your point is that you are deliberately missing (ignoring) what I had to say about Iceman's post.
Right?
Now, I never indicated that I agreed (or disagreed) with what he had to say in whole or in part.
Will you accept that?
Iceman began with:
"I don't believe there was any "fun" intended in the post at all. In fact it is quite sad that you would ask people to choose. Separating religion from state does not mean you are choosing Ireland over God."He then went on to make his case point by point and I thought he did so in a reasoned, logical manner.
Then along came Myles—after I replied to Iceman's post.
He didn't agree with what Iceman had to say and he, in turn, stated his case very well.
Both are excellent debaters.
Now, IMO, there is a difference between an
argument and a
quarrel. In the former, you use logic to make your points and in the latter you f**k logic out the window and let fly. One is enlightening and the other is entertaining and I'm happy to say I think those lads provide both.
I did mention Nally. In his ongoing arguments quarrels with you, I feel he generally sticks to the point and is the more focused of the pair. I would put him comfortably ahead on points at this stage.
Btw, I agree with a lot of what you say and I have no doubt whatever about your sincerity. By all means, keep 'er lit.
But, like I said above, (second sentence) I think you don't stick to the point at all times.
Here endeth the homily,
Pope Lar.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:33:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:33:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Ha ha noclue. You do understand the concept of earning a living. Do you want myself and the hundreds of thousands of others to return from paid employment to sit on the dole, that would be real patriotic wouldn't it. Your lack of understanding of this gives me the clear impression you are a Fianna Fail spittle who has been handed a job for the boys/for life. What is it with FF spivs and clergy worship?
Apologies Lar, shoudn't have hitched my post to your quote, it was intended for Iceman. Anyways its the football for the next few hours.
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If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Ha ha noclue. You do understand the concept of earning a living. Do you want myself and the hundreds of thousands of others to return from paid employment to sit on the dole, that would be real patriotic wouldn't it. Your lack of understanding of this gives me the clear impression you are a Fianna Fail spittle who has been handed a job for the boys/for life. What is it with FF spivs and clergy worship?
You needn't preach about understanding considering the posts you made on this thread. It shows how little of it you actually have. Thankfully most real Irish men aren't like you, and to try an associate yourself with the Irish identity is truely saddening.
Plenty of true Irishmen stayed to see out the hard times and didn't flee the scene, waiting for things to improve so that they could come coasting back in again and declare themselves as Ireland's favorite son as you no doubt intent to do.
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Apologies Lar, shoudn't have hitched my post to your quote, it was intended for Iceman. Anyways its the football for the next few hours.
No prob whatsoever. I must admit you had me worried.
Right now, it's a case of "Keep the Faith! (No pun intended. ;D )
I'm off on me bike to find a friendly lamppost or railing on Clonliffe Road.
I do believe there's a curtain raiser but I'm not too assed about the details.
Yeehaw!
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If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Ha ha noclue. You do understand the concept of earning a living. Do you want myself and the hundreds of thousands of others to return from paid employment to sit on the dole, that would be real patriotic wouldn't it. Your lack of understanding of this gives me the clear impression you are a Fianna Fail spittle who has been handed a job for the boys/for life. What is it with FF spivs and clergy worship?
You needn't preach about understanding considering the posts you made on this thread. It shows how little of it you actually have. Thankfully most real Irish men aren't like you, and to try an associate yourself with the Irish identity is truely saddening.
Plenty of true Irishmen stayed to see out the hard times and didn't flee the scene, waiting for things to improve so that they could come coasting back in again and declare themselves as Irorite son as you no doubt intent to do.
This whole thread is ridiculous but your idiotic posts about emigration take the biscuit. Does your opinion stretch to people who left on coffin ships? Are you one of the only people in Ireland that has no family member that ever headed abroad? You must think half the country "deserted" Ireland in the 80's.
You do some serious boozing MGHU. Wee problem?? You'd need to keep an eye on that.
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If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Ha ha noclue. You do understand the concept of earning a living. Do you want myself and the hundreds of thousands of others to return from paid employment to sit on the dole, that would be real patriotic wouldn't it. Your lack of understanding of this gives me the clear impression you are a Fianna Fail spittle who has been handed a job for the boys/for life. What is it with FF spivs and clergy worship?
You needn't preach about understanding considering the posts you made on this thread. It shows how little of it you actually have. Thankfully most real Irish men aren't like you, and to try an associate yourself with the Irish identity is truely saddening.
Plenty of true Irishmen stayed to see out the hard times and didn't flee the scene, waiting for things to improve so that they could come coasting back in again and declare themselves as Irorite son as you no doubt intent to do.
This whole thread is ridiculous but your idiotic posts about emigration take the biscuit. Does your opinion stretch to people who left on coffin ships? Are you one of the only people in Ireland that has no family member that ever headed abroad? You must think half the country "deserted" Ireland in the 80's.
your a bit slow really aren't you?
This is the problem with the internet.
MGHU, not too long ago, when someone used the term"free stater", you stated that you
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find that term offensive.
You went on to state that insulting terms like that should not be used because...
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It comes across as a bitter comment on the people..... who don't deserve your nasty attitude for just living their lifes.
So, bearing in mind the last part of the second quote above, which says that you feel people don't deserve to be spoken to with a nasty attitude just for living their lives, how does that theory correlate with statements you made in this thread such as....
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Its funny to laugh at adults who believe in imaginary friends. Its hillarious to mock those ...
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Your obviously a bit thick. Religion is ridiculous....I can ridicule it all I like, it is ridiculous.
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Your god is so weak I fart in its general direction.
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You god loving freak. Apes have a better grasp of the universe than idiots who believe in god.
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Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
Well?
Nally I didn't read one line of your post. Did someone not tell ya Mayo bate Cork today. Just go away, I don't give a f**k.
UP MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Nally I didn't read one line of your post. Did someone not tell ya Mayo bate Cork today. Just go away, I don't give a f**k.
UP MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Aye well done on that; but last week you criticised me for using a thread to talk about a debate from another thread. So try not to take the cowards way out here and respond to my last post in a mature way, (lest ye appear like said coward/fool).
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If you spent a little less time building up the UK economy and tried helping out the Irish one it might be easier to listen to your Preaching about being a good Irish man.
Away down to Pogues or somewhere like that an you can play at being a barstool Irishman in person rather than on the Internet.
Answer: haven't a clue.
1. You obviously don't now what I do for a living. ::)
2. Ya had a few pints down an Irish pub watching the football, so what of it.
Good man, that'll be as close as you get to helping "mother Ireland" in her hr of need.
For feck sake :D , I'll stop before you god fearers start to cry. Winding ye up is so much fun though.
yeah your winding is side splitting. But I notice when I touch a wee nerve with regards to you deserting Ireland, your turning tale and running. Bit of a trend that I suppose as you couldn't get out of Ireland quick enough to make a few pound either. Going gets tough and MGHU bails for pasture anew.
Sell out.
Ha ha noclue. You do understand the concept of earning a living. Do you want myself and the hundreds of thousands of others to return from paid employment to sit on the dole, that would be real patriotic wouldn't it. Your lack of understanding of this gives me the clear impression you are a Fianna Fail spittle who has been handed a job for the boys/for life. What is it with FF spivs and clergy worship?
You needn't preach about understanding considering the posts you made on this thread. It shows how little of it you actually have. Thankfully most real Irish men aren't like you, and to try an associate yourself with the Irish identity is truely saddening.
Plenty of true Irishmen stayed to see out the hard times and didn't flee the scene, waiting for things to improve so that they could come coasting back in again and declare themselves as Ireland's favorite son as you no doubt intent to do.
As soon as I hear people talking about 'real Irishmen' or 'true Irishmen' I want to reach for my revolver. You're lucky I decommissioned it some time ago. (when I was 10, along with my cowboy hat)
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You needn't preach about understanding considering the posts you made on this thread. It shows how little of it you actually have. Thankfully most real Irish men aren't like you, and to try an associate yourself with the Irish identity is truely saddening.
'The Irish identity'? How is that defined? And by who?
and just when it looked like it couldn't get any worse...
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Plenty of true Irishmen stayed to see out the hard times and didn't flee the scene, waiting for things to improve so that they could come coasting back in again and declare themselves as Ireland's favorite son as you no doubt intent to do.
'True Irishmen'? So anyone who ever emigrated isn't a true Irishman? That's an awful lot of people. What about someone who had an extended holiday?
And what would you rather the thousands of unemployed Irish do?
Right for the slow Cavan &Monaghan men. MGHU has taken great delight in rubbishing other peoples views on God. It can be a sensitive subject and can be debated with tact by most people. Not by MGHU tho, the numerous images posted up on here are a good example. So I decided to take a similar tact with his views on Ireland and who is or isn't Irish, of which he's posted some amount of crap throughout this board.
Do ya's actually really believe someone could call an Irishman less Irish because they left Ireland? Feck me half the country would be considered foreign!
So in Summary, I suppose I just don't like MGHU, I find the majority of his posts arrogant and dis-respectful and many with a common theme of belitting people from The North's views especially if god forbid they make a comment on the South. Hence why I decided to pick a fight with him.
Yet you couldn't do that with reason and logic?
Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
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Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
I burst out laughing when I read you want reason and logic when discussing Religion or Faith. If that were the case it would be illogicical for those who believe to respond at all, because religion has no reason or logic.
From the good book :D
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." 33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [1] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [2] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.
Genesis 19:30-38
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
Deuteronomy 23:1
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Right for the slow Cavan &Monaghan men. MGHU has taken great delight in rubbishing other peoples views on God. It can be a sensitive subject and can be debated with tact by most people. Not by MGHU tho, the numerous images posted up on here are a good example. So I decided to take a similar tact with his views on Ireland and who is or isn't Irish, of which he's posted some amount of crap throughout this board.
Do ya's actually really believe someone could call an Irishman less Irish because they left Ireland? Feck me half the country would be considered foreign!
So in Summary, I suppose I just don't like MGHU, I find the majority of his posts arrogant and dis-respectful and many with a common theme of belitting people from The North's views especially if god forbid they make a comment on the South. Hence why I decided to pick a fight with him.
+1
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Right for the slow Cavan &Monaghan men. MGHU has taken great delight in rubbishing other peoples views on God. It can be a sensitive subject and can be debated with tact by most people. Not by MGHU tho, the numerous images posted up on here are a good example. So I decided to take a similar tact with his views on Ireland and who is or isn't Irish, of which he's posted some amount of crap throughout this board.
Do ya's actually really believe someone could call an Irishman less Irish because they left Ireland? Feck me half the country would be considered foreign!
So in Summary, I suppose I just don't like MGHU, I find the majority of his posts arrogant and dis-respectful and many with a common theme of belitting people from The North's views especially if god forbid they make a comment on the South. Hence why I decided to pick a fight with him.
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O I get it, religion is a Northern theme. Paranoid.
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Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
I burst out laughing when I read you want reason and logic when discussing Religion or Faith. If that were the case it would be illogicical for those who believe to respond at all, because religion has no reason or logic.
From the good book :D
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." 33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [1] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [2] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.
Genesis 19:30-38
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 2 A b**tard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
Deuteronomy 23:1
I assume that the Moabites and Ammonites all have 6 fingers on each hand and webbed feet :D
Right, I put a post up yesterday and MGHU said he was too distracted by Mayo's victory over Cork to read it, never mind respond. Seems you have your mind back on the tread now MGHU, so I'll post it again and maybe you could reply this time:MGHU, not too long ago, when someone used the term"free stater", you stated that you
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find that term offensive.
You went on to state that insulting terms like that should not be used because...
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It comes across as a bitter comment on the people..... who don't deserve your nasty attitude for just living their lifes.
So, bearing in mind the last part of the second quote above, which says that you feel people don't deserve to be spoken to with a nasty attitude just for living their lives,
how does that theory correlate with statements you made in this thread such as....Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 02:50:38 AM
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Your obviously a bit thick. Religion is ridiculous....I can ridicule it all I like, it is ridiculous.
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Your god is so weak I fart in its general direction.
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You god loving freak. Apes have a better grasp of the universe than idiots who believe in god.
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Believing in God is simply ridiculous and therefore fare game for ridicule.
Well?
"I burst out laughing when I read you want reason and logic when discussing Religion or Faith. If that were the case it would be illogicical for those who believe to respond at all, because religion has no reason or logic."
I've a feeling that you burst out laughing regularly for no reason. That and talking to yourself is painting a pretty accurate picture of you....
Hey Nally, as your the man for the hypocrits
"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)
"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)
"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)
And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)
"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)
Hey MGHU, stop dodging and answer my question.
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Hey MGHU, stop dodging and answer my question.
I have answered you about 20 times, you are just too stupid to get that.
Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.
Leviticus 11:20-22
All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
I like the quote below because it sums up most Christians.
James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
MGHU when is enough going to be enough for you? There is winding up and then there is being just hateful. You crossed the line a long time ago.
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MGHU when is enough going to be enough for you? There is winding up and then there is being just hateful. You crossed the line a long time ago.
Hey those are quotes from the bible. Sheeesh ya can't win.
But you have not answered my specific question. How does your stated opinion that people should not have to be spoken to with a nasty attitude just for how they live their lives, sit alongside comments you made in this thread that people who live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving or ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
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"I burst out laughing when I read you want reason and logic when discussing Religion or Faith. If that were the case it would be illogicical for those who believe to respond at all, because religion has no reason or logic."
I've a feeling that you burst out laughing regularly for no reason. That and talking to yourself is painting a pretty accurate picture of you....
Don't cry T.B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ&NR=1)
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Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
Of course it was.
And it's
you're.
In fairness you would drive many a man to tears with the drivel you come out with.
Tho at least you do give me a laugh the odd time especially like now when Nally Stand makes a wee boy outa ya. :D
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Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
Of course it was.
And it's you're.
Don't worry about it Maguire. I'd be kinda embarresed at missing something so glaringly obvious as well. But at least you noticed the spelling mistake anyway.
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"I burst out laughing when I read you want reason and logic when discussing Religion or Faith. If that were the case it would be illogicical for those who believe to respond at all, because religion has no reason or logic."
I've a feeling that you burst out laughing regularly for no reason. That and talking to yourself is painting a pretty accurate picture of you....
Don't cry T.B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ&NR=1)
Ah yes, the tune Gerry was singing before it was even written!
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Your really not getting this are you? Do you see much logic and reasoning behind MGHU's posts on this thread including the numerous 'funny captions'?
That was kinda the whole point......
Of course it was.
And it's you're.
Don't worry about it Maguire. I'd be kinda embarresed at missing something so glaringly obvious as well. But at least you noticed the spelling mistake anyway.
I've noticed loads, but only bothered with that one.
Did that one really annoy you? Is your instead of you're a real pet hate of yours? (is that right?)
I see you are back on MGHU, maybe you could eventually answer this specific question.....
How does your stated opinion that people should not have to be spoken to with a nasty attitude just for how they live their lives, sit alongside comments you made in this thread that people who live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving or ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Please?
Egg on your face again MGHU. Fool.
Quote from: Franko on August 02, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
Egg on your face again MGHU. Fool.
How? I have answered him countless times. Yes its is perfectly ok to ridicule the ridiculous. The Irish Republic is not called the Irish Free State. Its not my fault your god does not exist, take it out on your parents not me.
My specific question (in red above) does not mention anything about "free state", it says that you believe that people should not be spoken to with a nasty attitude "for how they live their lives" (your words).
So I want to know how on one hand you can state people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for how they live their lives, while also stating that people who happen to live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Go on MGHU either sh!t or get off the pot son
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 02, 2011, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 02, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
Egg on your face again MGHU. Fool.
How? I have answered him countless times. Yes its is perfectly ok to ridicule the ridiculous. The Irish Republic is not called the Irish Free State. Its not my fault your god does not exist, take it out on your parents not me.
It's quite simple really. Yet again on this board you have been asked a direct question, the answer to which you can't/won't give because yet again you will be contradicting something you have said earlier. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed by this behaviour. In fact, I am quite amused by the way some posters on here can consistently tie you in knots. It makes the board interesting. In fact, 'Keep 'er lit!' ;)
I reckon it's time for a funny picture again MGHU.
Never has the saying, dont ridicule other as you'll only succeed in making a fool of yourself, been more apt.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2011, 07:11:25 PM
I reckon it's time for a funny picture again MGHU.
Never has the saying, dont ridicule other as you'll only succeed in making a fool of yourself, been more apt.
trueblue from my perspective those of you defending religion/faith are the ones coming across as fools. If you could understand how idiotic believing in the supernatural comes across, you would realise you have lost this argument. Your delusions sheild you from this reality.
MGHU, you are an athiest, we get it. We also get that you have no time for others who believe in God. You have stated that repeatedly. What you have yet to explain is:
How on one hand you can state people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for how they live their lives, while also stating that people who happen to live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
MGHU, you are an athiest, we get it. We also get that you have no time for others who believe in God. You have stated that repeatedly. What you have yet to explain is:
How on one hand you can state people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for how they live their lives, while also stating that people who happen to live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Rational Political beliefs no matter how unpalatable V Irrational Religious beliefs, which are just idiotic. Is that enough for you, fecks sake.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 02, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
MGHU, you are an athiest, we get it. We also get that you have no time for others who believe in God. You have stated that repeatedly. What you have yet to explain is:
How on one hand you can state people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for how they live their lives, while also stating that people who happen to live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Rational Political beliefs no matter how unpalatable V Irrational Religious beliefs, which are just idiotic. Is that enough for you, fecks sake.
No it isn't MGHU. You said people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for "how they live their lives". That is not a political statement. Some people live their lives believing in God. So by your own stated social/moral standards, if that is how they choose to "live their lives" they should not be "nastily" spoken to by you as "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and who you "enjoy mocking" surely?
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 02, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
MGHU, you are an athiest, we get it. We also get that you have no time for others who believe in God. You have stated that repeatedly. What you have yet to explain is:
How on one hand you can state people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for how they live their lives, while also stating that people who happen to live their lives believing in God are "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and that you "enjoy mocking" them?
Rational Political beliefs no matter how unpalatable V Irrational Religious beliefs, which are just idiotic. Is that enough for you, fecks sake.
No it isn't MGHU. You said people should not be spoken to in a nasty way for "how they live their lives". That is not a political statement. Some people live their lives believing in God. So by your own stated social/moral standards, if that is how they choose to "live their lives" they should not be "nastily" spoken to by you as "God worshiping freaks" and "idiots" who are "deserving of ridicule" and who you "enjoy mocking" surely?
If I remember I was using that in the context of the Poltical status of the Irish Republic. Anyways, this is gone beyond boring. I gave my answers many a time and I believe I have answered them sufficiently. If you still feel I have not, you will just have to live with it. God and his followers interfere with the workings of the Irish State & Northern Irish governance and infest their workings, they corrupt the people and turn them against the good of the people. This is even more appalling as God does not even exist and is a figment of certain peoples immagination. God is an abomination against the liberties of man and womankind.
I suspect you know as well as I do that you didn't answer my question. You really have made a laughing stock of yourself on this thread in the last few pages :D
So anyway, onto that other question you have yet to even acknowledge, let alone lie about having answered....
Remember you said that SF had more than one TD employing family members, could you maybe name both/all of them? I know I asked you that question ages ago and you repeadedly ignored that one too, but I'm sure you actually do know the answer to back up your statement after all, so it should be no problem for you.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
God has just taken a 20 - 19 lead too. Shit one all round, mayogod.
As I suspected you would have god ahead of Ireland. ::)
What would you put before Ireland MGHU?
Quote from: The Iceman on August 02, 2011, 09:37:59 PM
What would you put before Ireland MGHU?
Republic of.....
Seriously though MGHU, remember you said that SF had more than one TD employing family members? Well obviously you wouldn't have said so without being able to back yourself up, so could you maybe name both/all of them?
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
Seriously though MGHU, remember you said that SF had more than one TD employing family members? Well obviously you wouldn't have said so without being able to back yourself up, so could you maybe name both/all of them?
You some GIMP Nally Stand, you claim not to be a stalker. What do you think you are doing now? What is the title of this thread.
Now who is the hypocrit.stalk·ernoun /ˈstôkər/
stalkers, plural
1.A person who stealthily hunts or pursues an animal or another person
2.A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention
http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enGB436&q=stalker&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=b5Y4TvLyFpGKhQeS9uCTAg&ved=0CBUQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b12256d64a3346bb&biw=1366&bih=518
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 01:08:27 PM
I'm the stalker? You replied to a post of mine that wasn't directed at you :D
If you are so keen to reply to my posts, answer my question on the God/Ireland thread.
Oh and answer this one while you're at it:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19685.msg982011#msg982011
Why wouldn't you answer straightforward questions after all, surely you can back yourself up.
Suck on that dipshit
Yeah but you ignored me when I asked you that question in the actual thread it was originally discussed in, so while I have your attention here, surely you will have absolutley no problems backing up your claim that there are more than one SF TD employing a family member by naming those TDs? Could you either name them or be man enough to admit you were lying/made a mistake?
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2011, 01:37:17 AM
Yeah but you ignored me when I asked you that question in the actual thread it was in, so while I have your attention here, surely you will have absolutley no problems backing up your claim that there are more than one SF TD employing a family member by naming those TDs? Could you either name them or be man enough to admit you were lying/made a mistake?
Ya but no, but ya, but no. Stop tying yourself up in knots there Vicky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsl7-TJtPew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsl7-TJtPew)
STALKER.
stalk·ernoun /ˈstôkər/
stalkers, plural
1.A person who stealthily hunts or pursues an animal or another person
2.A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention
Stalker? No i'm just continuing a conversation you got involved in with me a while back. I'm only requesting that you verify a claim you made in that discussion. Just so I don't upset you, I've posted my question again on the original thread, so as to keep this one on topic.
Dont expect a reply Nally, he is a hit and run bullshit merchant, who sprays all kinds of nonsense around in the hope that some of it will stick. He lacks the focus for a rational, intelligent debate
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 03, 2011, 01:31:13 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
Seriously though MGHU, remember you said that SF had more than one TD employing family members? Well obviously you wouldn't have said so without being able to back yourself up, so could you maybe name both/all of them?
You some GIMP Nally Stand, you claim not to be a stalker. What do you think you are doing now? What is the title of this thread. Now who is the hypocrit.
stalk·ernoun /ˈstôkər/
stalkers, plural
1.A person who stealthily hunts or pursues an animal or another person
2.A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention
http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enGB436&q=stalker&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=b5Y4TvLyFpGKhQeS9uCTAg&ved=0CBUQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b12256d64a3346bb&biw=1366&bih=518
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 02, 2011, 01:08:27 PM
I'm the stalker? You replied to a post of mine that wasn't directed at you :D
If you are so keen to reply to my posts, answer my question on the God/Ireland thread.
Oh and answer this one while you're at it:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19685.msg982011#msg982011
Why wouldn't you answer straightforward questions after all, surely you can back yourself up.
Suck on that dipshit
:D :D :D :D
You never let us down MGHU. This is getting better! What a child.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 03, 2011, 04:29:10 AM
Dont expect a reply Nally, he is a hit and run bullshit merchant, who sprays all kinds of nonsense around in the hope that some of it will stick. He lacks the focus for a rational, intelligent debate
+1
I suspect it wont be long before Fishhead Sam/Son Of Sam Mayogodhelpus runs off in a huff yet again.
For old times sake this was one of his previous posts, it never ages!!!
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on June 29, 2007, 10:31:47 PM
T.FERON despite your lack of knoweledge of the Southern mind, we are obviouly fearfull of a similar disaster put on West Germany by having to accomodate East Germany, we are ALL REPUBLICANS, but your defination SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF US, we donn't want a right wing Catholic Regeime, or a left wing Communist Republic, we want our Country, to be honest if you want to join we REFUSE TO CHANGE, all you Republicans camn down, all you Unionists cop the f**k on.
Why should we change, we have a great fucken Country. You all become like us or Im not interested.This is MY COUNTRY, & I AM PROUD OF IT
Quote from: ludermor on August 03, 2011, 09:31:03 AM
I suspect it wont be long before Fishhead Sam/Son Of Sam Mayogodhelpus runs off in a huff yet again.
For old times sake this was one of his previous posts, it never ages!!!
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on June 29, 2007, 10:31:47 PM
T.FERON despite your lack of knoweledge of the Southern mind, we are obviouly fearfull of a similar disaster put on West Germany by having to accomodate East Germany, we are ALL REPUBLICANS, but your defination SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF US, we donn't want a right wing Catholic Regeime, or a left wing Communist Republic, we want our Country, to be honest if you want to join we REFUSE TO CHANGE, all you Republicans camn down, all you Unionists cop the f**k on.
Why should we change, we have a great fucken Country. You all become like us or Im not interested.This is MY COUNTRY, & I AM PROUD OF IT
Sounds like there was maybe a drop of drink on the job that night.