Doubt Wicklow will be filling their pants at the thought of coming to Armagh. Cant say I know much about Wicklow bar having a large and useful MF and Leighton Glynn. A game we'd be expected to win, but if we take it lightly we could come a cropper very easily.
With Armagh's up and down form I'd not be taking Wicklow lightly. They had a good result yesterday, potentially tricky opponents. Armagh's confidence after the Derry beating is bound to be very brittle. Need to get focused again on this one.
Im positive about this draw because we are at home and have avoided playing another Ulster team. Hopefully this game can get the wagon rolling again.
We will be fine as long as the ref doesn't wink at anyone from Wicklow ;)
Orchard versus the Garden. Should be a stroll in the park for the Orangemen.
Could Armagh end the management career of the legendary Micko ...
Quote from: balladmaker on June 26, 2011, 11:12:26 PM
Could Armagh end the management career of the legendary Micko ...
Or could Wicklow end the Armagh career of Paddy O'Rourke!
Armagh should win by at least 10/12 points, anything less would be a bad result
hoping for a win and a good show to get us back on track
Wicklow are not that bad. I'd say we'll sneak over the line.
Remember Armagh never play well as favourites.
Wicklow are not a good team. But you saw what Clare did to us. Basically if Micko has them fired up and they work really hard then it will be far from easy for Armagh. There are two big differences between the likes of Armagh and Wicklow:
1. Armagh carry some absolute star players - Stevie and Jamie are good enough for any team
2. Armagh know not to panic
Teams like Wicklow could start conceding points and throw in the towel, then the game ends up with a big score difference. but if Armagh don't get 7-8 points ahead early and hold it for 15-20 minutes then Wicklow will gain confidence and really start to believe in themselves. Clare looked buried against us until they got a ridiculous goal which gave them the impetus to give the game a real go. We were 5 points to nothing up but only held that for 2-3 minutes. If we had closed Clare out for a good 20 minutes I think their heads would have dropped.
Overall Armagh will not give up and even if Wicklow make a game of it Armagh will end up the victors. the difference in score means nothing. The only thing that matters is that you end up at with least one point more, and I believe that Armagh will certainly achieve that goal.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2011, 11:30:23 PM
Armagh should win by at least 10/12 points, anything less would be a bad result
I'll have some of what you're having!
Armagh not winning would be a bad result, that is all...
Sad days when we're seriously worried by Wicklow, but we are and rightly so.
After the last outing, I'd be afraid of even a team like London. Ooops . . . well, Scunthorpe then.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 26, 2011, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 26, 2011, 11:12:26 PM
Could Armagh end the management career of the legendary Micko ...
Or could Wicklow end the Armagh career of Paddy O'Rourke!
this post is the most relevant to this game micko will retire a legend no matter what the result. paddy will end up back at club level no matter what the result.. probably where he is most comfortable. armagh should win but its not a donedeal
Home win? Or Micko laughs last? Pretty nervy about this one given the way we are playing. However should be home win by 4.
This will be a true test of whether 'The Micko Factor' still remains in Football. Kildare really should have won the 1998 All-Ireland Final, however Galway (consisting mostly of the side 'Under Par' Tyrone beat 3 Years prior) simply rode the storm and had an inspired Second Half. A testament to having quality Forwards in your Team (Kildare always struggled to convert possession into Points).
I think Armagh should do just about enough, however the Qualifiers haven't been good to them (2003 apart).
Could be one of the ties of this round of qualifiers.
Armagh have to win and have home advantage and this could be Micko's last game (unless he came to Cavan afterwards). You'll have to hope they don't travel well which I don't think they do.
Sorry Apples but I think it could be a Wicklow victory by 3.
Armagh by 1. tough tie but wicklow will be up for it. wicklow have some success in the back-door system beating down, running kerry close in one occasion so it will be tough. not confident but home advantage could save us if wicklow dont travell
I think Armagh could win this by 7+ points. Nothing went right for them against Derry. Wicklow seem to have lost that initial Micko momentum.
Wicklow are not a good team. But you saw what Clare did to us. Basically if Micko has them fired up and they work really hard then it will be far from easy for Armagh. There are two big differences between the likes of Armagh and Wicklow:
1. Armagh carry some absolute star players - Stevie and Jamie are good enough for any team
2. Armagh know not to panic
Teams like Wicklow could start conceding points and throw in the towel, then the game ends up with a big score difference. but if Armagh don't get 7-8 points ahead early and hold it for 15-20 minutes then Wicklow will gain confidence and really start to believe in themselves. Clare looked buried against us until they got a ridiculous goal which gave them the impetus to give the game a real go. We were 5 points to nothing up but only held that for 2-3 minutes. If we had closed Clare out for a good 20 minutes I think their heads would have dropped.
Overall Armagh will not give up and even if Wicklow make a game of it Armagh will end up the victors. the difference in score means nothing. The only thing that matters is that you end up at with least one point more, and I believe that Armagh will certainly achieve that goal.
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Wicklow by 6.
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Wicklow by 6.
YOU SAY 6 I GIVE YOU WICKLOW BY 7
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any team news paul duffy etc.. ? hearty staying in goals.. cairan toner mid or defence or is the championship over for armagh
Quotehearty staying in goals..
Perhaps Paddy will try him at half forward!
Quote from: lawnseed on July 01, 2011, 10:21:04 PM
any team news paul duffy etc.. ? hearty staying in goals.. cairan toner mid or defence or is the championship over for armagh
This.
Armagh 1/8, Wicklow 13/5 with Bet365. bookies must know something the rest of us dont. Down for 7pm as well, Wicklow's plea for a 5pm throw-in not listened to by the looks of it.
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 04, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Chance for Lavery to stake a claim. Wouldn't mind seeing Johny Hanratty getting a run though.
Quote from: Orangemac on July 04, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 04, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Chance for Lavery to stake a claim. Wouldn't mind seeing Johny Hanratty getting a run though.
Let Hanratty do waterboy for another couple of years.
I'd like to see Grugan start on the wing.
Quote from: Orior on July 04, 2011, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on July 04, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 04, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Chance for Lavery to stake a claim. Wouldn't mind seeing Johny Hanratty getting a run though.
Let Hanratty do waterboy for another couple of years.
I'd like to see Grugan start on the wing.
Snap.
If a couple of those minors get a bit of a taste of championship football then this year might not be be a total waste of time.
Quote from: Orior on July 04, 2011, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on July 04, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 04, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Chance for Lavery to stake a claim. Wouldn't mind seeing Johny Hanratty getting a run though.
Let Hanratty do waterboy for another couple of years.
I'd like to see Grugan start on the wing.
Who would you leave out Tony Kernan or Billie Joe or both?
Quote from: Orangemac on July 04, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 04, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I hear Kieran Toner is out with hamstring problems.
Chance for Lavery to stake a claim. Wouldn't mind seeing Johny Hanratty getting a run though.
Would love to see Lavery get the opportunity and take it. Although he was on for a limited tme only, I thought David McKenna did well against Derry, and I'd like to see him partner Lavery, with CV going into wing half forward. If we were to play a sweeper, then CV could drop back and possibly MOR go into the half forward line, leaving Stevie and Jamie up front but with support from a three man half forward line.
David McKenna deserves a run, I don't think BJP (the Down game apart) has shown anything more than Tony Kernan, Mal Mackin or Stephen Kernan for that matter. I would agree that its time to start bringing in some of the minors and not just confined to Grugan either.
A HF line of Grugan, MOR and Malachy Mackin would be an improvement on what we've lined out up to now. I'd like to see McKenna play in midfield alongside CV for this one and see how they get on. Any updates on Nippy? I'd heard that mid July is what they were hoping for? Is he getting close?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 04, 2011, 06:41:17 PM
Armagh 1/8, Wicklow 13/5 with Bet365. bookies must know something the rest of us dont. Down for 7pm as well, Wicklow's plea for a 5pm throw-in not listened to by the looks of it.
Division 1 side playing at home to a division 4 side. I would say the bookies have it about right, although as we never seem to hammer any teams the handicap bet on Wicklow could be a bit of value.
Quote from: mackers on July 05, 2011, 10:49:08 AM
A HF line of Grugan, MOR and Malachy Mackin would be an improvement on what we've lined out up to now. I'd like to see McKenna play in midfield alongside CV for this one and see how they get on. Any updates on Nippy? I'd heard that mid July is what they were hoping for? Is he getting close?
Good call on the half forward line.
I am looking forward to this game, should be a good match. Wicklow will come with all guns blazing, Armagh should win by 3-4 points. It will be good to see Micko in the athletic grounds, hopefully the weather will be decent, i'd say there will be a big crowd...
Armagh Team Vs Wicklow
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Kevin Dyas Dromintee
11 Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 07, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
Armagh Team Vs Wicklow
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Kevin Dyas Dromintee
11 Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
At last I like the look of this team.
Quote from: orchard 8195 on July 07, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 07, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
Armagh Team Vs Wicklow
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Kevin Dyas Dromintee
11 Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
At last I like the look of this team.
yes. good line out but hearty needs more imaginative kickouts, he fried us in the derry game. andy needs to stay back or big paul will be laying down and cocking his leg up as the onion bag gets stretched. some soft enough goals going in
OUT
- V Martin
- K Toner
- BJ Padden
- T Kernan
IN
- P Duffy
- F Moriarty
- J Lavery
- B Mallon
I quite like the look of the team. Toner will be a miss but Lavery deserves his chance and he will keep his place if Armagh advance.
6 of the 2004 All Ireland U21 winning team are starting, whilst 4 of the 2007 U21 Ulster winning team (should have won the AI) start.
Looking forward to see if we get more out of Dyas
Would like to have seen David McKenna start - I honesty believe he would have been better in the middle with James Lavery, and use CV's talents elsewhere. Time for Brian Mallon to stand up and deliver. Will also be interested to see Kevin Dyas in attack and Finn Mo is worth a recall. Best of luck to all on Saturday.
I don't like the team tbh. Toner will be a big miss but how many times in last three years have we played a defender as a forward and how often has it worked. I would have had mackin in midfield and started Grugan at least.
Personally I think Billie Joe is unlucky to lose hos place the ball going into the FF line the last day was non existent. I certainly think Brian mallon has had numerous chances & has failed to deliver. I would also be a fan of Lavery, he puts in a good shift, it will be interesting to see how he plays over 70mins. I would have played duffy in the HF line, not Dyas....
Good luck to the lads saturday night, am looking forward to it
A bit underwhelmed by the team to be honest. The defence is fine. Lavery will do ok but to my mind is not as good as Toner so we are weakened there. Wicklow have a strong running MF if I recall. In the forwards though you have a defender and MF in the HF line and neither Mallon nor MOR are consistently chipping in with enough scores at this level and that puts a massive onus on Stevie and Jamie. I know the management's hands are tied to an extent but this would have been an ideal opportunity to try out Grugan or McParland at intercounty championship level.
Still and all if the mindset is right and there is no underestimation of the opposition then we should win by 3, if we start poorly and let them get up a head of steam it will be tough. they had a good win over Sligo and if the can get enough ball into Leighton Glynn and Seanie Furlong they will cause the FB line a lot of trouble.
You are gonna get stuffed rotten. Wicklow will run through your half forwards and destroy you with waves of attack. Armagh will be left on their knees, embarrassed and humilated. Yipee!!!
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 08, 2011, 03:11:46 PM
You are gonna get stuffed rotten. Wicklow will run through your half forwards and destroy you with waves of attack. Armagh will be left on their knees, embarrassed and humilated. Yipee!!!
You worry about yer own house Paulie, not all a bed of roses there ye know ;)
QuoteYou are gonna get stuffed rotten. Wicklow will run through your half forwards and destroy you with waves of attack. Armagh will be left on their knees, embarrassed and humilated. Yipee!!!
Wicklow have shown themselves better than Down, but I still think they may still not be quite good enough.
Will you come along PAULD123? After all your own team will probably be out the championship at that stage.
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 08, 2011, 03:11:46 PM
You are gonna get stuffed rotten. Wicklow will run through your half forwards and destroy you with waves of attack. Armagh will be left on their knees, embarrassed and humilated. Yipee!!!
Lads just a wind up. Things have been a bit slow on the boards today and I was bored so thought I'd do a bit of stirring. Both your comments are actually quite valid. We could be out, and Wicklow did beat us to our great embarrassment.
Anyway, seriously I do not see Armagh having any problem. Of course you can't underestimate any team and you only have to look at our game against Clare to see that. But even if Wicklow do surprise Armagh and compete and don't give in, then I still think that Armagh's greater talent and experience will prove critical.
Any win is a win at this stage of the qualifiers and whether it is a ten point rout or a single point relief, it does not matter and whichever it is I will be shocked if Armagh are on the wrong side of it.
Incidentally, I would come along to watch but we have visitors so I'm only allowed to go to our match. In fact I'm not even allowed to go to that but I'm going anyway.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 08, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
Would like to have seen David McKenna start - I honesty believe he would have been better in the middle with James Lavery, and use CV's talents elsewhere. Time for Brian Mallon to stand up and deliver. Will also be interested to see Kevin Dyas in attack and Finn Mo is worth a recall. Best of luck to all on Saturday.
So would I Rufus but I hear he's injured.....he may have started only for that. Dyas is the sort of footballer that can play anywhere and can probably play in HF as handy as HB. BJP and TK had to be dropped after the last day. I would be on for giving Grugan another shot at it but I hear he's not going well for the Nab.............his confidence seems to be low. Not convinced by the inclusion of Brian Mallon. We should have enough to squeeze through.
We should be running away with this game, I will take the win of course but in reality we should beat them by 6 or so points at least.
Quote from: mackers on July 08, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 08, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
Would like to have seen David McKenna start
So would I Rufus but I hear he's injured.....he may have started only for that.
Thanks for that mackers - I was having a fit here when I saw he wasn't even in the subs.
You're right Stew, but unfortunately this Armagh team does not fill one with confidence, particularly when a victory is expected!! :-\
Is the game on any radio station?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
Is the game on any radio station?
Did you try Wicklow online radio?
Armagh 0-00 Wicklow 0-03
Do you have a link?
Armagh 0-00 Wicklow 0-04
Armagh 0-01 Wicklow 0-05 20mins gone
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 07:20:48 PM
Armagh 0-00 Wicklow 0-04
That will make for an interesting game!
will this be o'rourke's last game?
Armagh 0-01 Wicklow 0-06
Thanks for the score updates, Anportmor.
Armagh 0-02 Wicklow 0-06
Armagh 0-02 Wicklow 0-07
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 09, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
Thanks for the score updates, Anportmor.
Not going good so far :-\
has anyone a radio link for this game, for someone in the US?
Armagh 0-02 Wicklow 0-09
Goodbye Paddy O'Rourke
:o Jesus that's atrocious for Armagh. Still plenty of time though...
Armagh 0-04 Wicklow 0-09
Will be the shock of the year if Wicklow pull it off.
Quote from: Highlander3 on July 09, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
has anyone a radio link for this game, for someone in the US?
You'll need a proxy to make it work Highlander3
Try this - I have it working
Ip: 91.192.194.127
Port: 80
Micko is some legend
Is it half time yet
FArmagh awful. If Wicklow had taken their scores it would be long over.
Quote from: naka on July 09, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
Is it half time yet
Yes half-time and Wicklow are winning 9pts to 4pts
Thanks for the links lads
Wicklow should be further ahead, could come back to haunt them. Can Mc Donnell and Clarke be kept quiet for 70 mins?
Armagh 0-07 Wicklow 0-10
any more scores
Armagh 0-09 Wicklow 0-10
Armagh 0-10 Wicklow 0-10 12mins to go
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 08:18:15 PM
Armagh 0-10 Wicklow 0-10 12mins to go
Momentum with Armagh. C'mon Wickla!!
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 08:18:15 PM
Armagh 0-10 Wicklow 0-10 12mins to go
anportmorforjfc I hope you win the jfc because the all-ireland doesn't look likely this year
some comeback
Armagh, the undisputed Kings of 'Winning Ugly'.
Armagh 0-11 Wicklow 0-10
i heard a large portion of the buckfast brigade left at half time!
Great effort by Wiclow but Armagh should see this out now.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 08:18:15 PM
Armagh 0-10 Wicklow 0-10 12mins to go
anportmorforjfc I hope you win the jfc because the all-ireland doesn't look likely this year
True, a quarter final would be a great achievement.
We are in the ifc now and winning that is not likely all :-\
Armagh 0-12 Wicklow 0-10
Goal for Wicklow!!
Armagh 0-12 Wicklow 1-10 2mins left + injury time
if it a draw at ft is there et?
Level 1 min added time left
Extra time if draw, I believe.
QuoteArmagh, the undisputed Kings of 'Winning Ugly'.
Ugly hoors to a man.
Extra time, is it 10 minutes a half?
Yeah, 10 mins a half. Jesus, some drama, unlike the game on telly....
yes 10 mins. Armagh for Sam.............. Sam Spuds crisps at the break
Armagh 0-16 Wicklow 1-11
How many mins left?
Newstalk said Armagh are a point up at HT in ET.
level bout 8 mins left.
Lost the radio link, any updates lads?
Goal for wickla
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:01:50 PM
Lost the radio link, any updates lads?
thought it was just my connection. I kept losing Q1011 earlier and had to listen to tyrone game on Shannonside.
goal for wicklow. 1pt up now
Mountainy men one up :o
Sportsnewsireland says Armagh 0-18 2-13 Wicklow
86minutes played
lost connection...how longs left?
Kernan equaliser
Armagh 19 Wicklow 2 13
level. all over
Replay. I have aged.
Fecking shite.
Why all the booing? Presumably the Armaghs ?
Sounds like a cracker.
Armagh r dirt
You have aged
I am sitting in Portugal and cant eat ffs
The sooner armagh are put out of their misery the better
I kick myself every time for expecting more.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
LOL
Typical. Down have absolutely zero to do with any of this and you have to bring them into it because Armagh are playing cack?
Unlucky Hahahaha
Heart goes out to the Wicklow men did everything but win,incredible performance! this draw is sure to feck up the GAA schedule now.
Will Justin mcNulty take charge in time for the replay ? ;)
Quote from: ross4life on July 09, 2011, 09:13:12 PM
Heart goes out to the Wicklow men did everything but win,incredible performance! this draw is sure to feck up the GAA schedule now.
Be grand if there's a catastrophe next Sunday and we draw the winners of Armagh/Wicklow/ ANOther . Give us 13 days to get over it ...
Mind you we effed up their schedule 2 years ago drawing in the Wexford monsoon. ;)
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
Will Justin mcNulty take charge in time for the replay ? ;)
Should he not wait until McGeeney resigns?
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on July 09, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
LOL
Typical. Down have absolutely zero to do with any of this and you have to bring them into it because Armagh are playing cack?
Unlucky Hahahaha
You tell me then why somone has to come on here and says Armagh are dirt (which they were today) when they did beat Down only 6 weeks ago?
That is why i brought up Down!!
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on July 09, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
LOL
Typical. Down have absolutely zero to do with any of this and you have to bring them into it because Armagh are playing cack?
Unlucky Hahahaha
You tell me then why somone has to come on here and says Armagh are dirt (which they were today) when they did beat Down only 6 weeks ago?
That is why i brought up Down!!
Em, you're yapping because someone gave an opinion? On a discussion forum? And an opinion you agree with? Thats why you brought up Down? A team who has consistently out-performed Armagh this year (one result in Armagh not withstanding) and last? And of course throughout history lets not forget?
Right. Im going to leave you now with the tears streaming down your face because Armagh can't beat the mighty Wicklow (notoriously bad away from home) in Armagh.
:D
That is all....
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
Quote from: Orior on July 09, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
Fecking shite.
You're quick to post a negative comment just at the final whistle and probably sitting behind your computer and didn't even see the match. I'm sure that's the kind of attitude your county needs AET when your players have knocked their pans in!
Quote from: fingerbob on July 09, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
So your sayin it's a good result for them today?
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on July 09, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on July 09, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 09, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
LOL
Typical. Down have absolutely zero to do with any of this and you have to bring them into it because Armagh are playing cack?
Unlucky Hahahaha
You tell me then why somone has to come on here and says Armagh are dirt (which they were today) when they did beat Down only 6 weeks ago?
That is why i brought up Down!!
A team who has consistently out-performed Armagh this year
Except where it counted. :D
Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on July 09, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
So your sayin it's a good result for them today?
It's not but I don't understand how a down supporter would want to comment in a smug manner on armagh drawing with wicklow, when the same opposition beat us only 2 years ago on top of the fact that we haven't beat armagh in championship football in a long time. There's nothing wrong with fair criticism as it wasn't a good result for armagh but the comments above were just cheap digs.
Quote from: fingerbob on July 09, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
Correct some fans have short memories? Wicklow knocked Down out two years ago & another div 4 team Clare should have knocked Down out.
Strange strange game.
Wicklow could have been 12 up at half time, however Armagh showed a great spirit to come back and only 2 dodgy looking goals kept them in it (about 15 steps for the first goal and the ball was wrestled out of Donaghy's hands for the second).
Good spirit to come back twice after the two dodgy goals, which is imporant.
Johhny Hanratty made some difference at midfield when he came on.
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Quote from: fingerbob on July 09, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
So your sayin it's a good result for them today?
Fingerbob is correct we are in no position to have a go at Armagh. they are still in teh qulifiers and still have relatively just as much chance as us of progressing. Wicklow had their day, they failed to take their opportunity. After that horrendus display against Clare we have no room to slag anyone. Against clare we did just enough and so did Armagh today. They never gave in and at the end of the day did not lose.
Lets save our slagging until Wicklow actually put them out or else hold our tongues.
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Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on July 09, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
We are in no position to criticise armagh for drawing with wicklow considering the 2009 qualifiers and our record against armagh.
So your sayin it's a good result for them today?
It my opinion Paul and as far as I'm aware that's wat this board is about... Expressing your opinion
Fingerbob is correct we are in no position to have a go at Armagh. they are still in teh qulifiers and still have relatively just as much chance as us of progressing. Wicklow had their day, they failed to take their opportunity. After that horrendus display against Clare we have no room to slag anyone. Against clare we did just enough and so did Armagh today. They never gave in and at the end of the day did not lose.
Lets save our slagging until Wicklow actually put them out or else hold our tongues.
Why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
It's not as if you've had grudge matches in recent times or both been strong at the same time to generate real rivalry??
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Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
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Quote from: knockitdown on July 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Armagh r dirt
Aye and Down are some team
LOL
Typical. Down have absolutely zero to do with any of this and you have to bring them into it because Armagh are playing cack?
Unlucky Hahahaha
You tell me then why somone has to come on here and says Armagh are dirt (which they were today) when they did beat Down only 6 weeks ago?
That is why i brought up Down!!
Em, you're yapping because someone gave an opinion? On a discussion forum? And an opinion you agree with? Thats why you brought up Down? A team who has consistently out-performed Armagh this year (one result in Armagh not withstanding) and last? And of course throughout history lets not forget?
Right. Im going to leave you now with the tears streaming down your face because Armagh can't beat the mighty Wicklow (notoriously bad away from home) in Armagh.
Did a better job than Down 2 years ago.
Jaysis, ye're very spiteful altogether....
Other way to look at it, we would have without doubt taken the draw when it was 9-2 to Wicklow with 32 minutes gone.
Jesus I am knackered, armaghs first half performance was the worst I have ever seen, 2 points in 30 mins. The team were totally flat. The ball going into Jamie was appalling. Dyas & gallon were woeful, kernan & hanratty made a great improvement. Mal mackin was my motm.... not looking forward to aughrim... wtf is murtagh getting on all about????!!!!
Also wicklow were a credit..... micko should be proud of them. Ref was brutal tonight. Jamie when he got decent service scored some great points
When's the rematch?
Quote from: heffo on July 09, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
Why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
It's not as if you've had grudge matches in recent times or both been strong at the same time to generate real rivalry??
Because the average Down fan has the humility of Graham Geraghty combined with the grace of a championship Hill 16 part-timer.
Armagh were horrendous in that first half tonight. Wicklow, for all their application and belief, are in Division 4 for a reason yet Armagh were very fortunate to still be in touch at half-time. Despite dominating the final 55 minutes, Armagh still conceded goals at crucial moments. The fact that 7 or 8 substitutions were made and the worst performing starting player survived 90 minutes says it all about the quality patrolling the line.
In an attempt to dwell on positives, Jamie Clarke was superb, Mal Mackin had another excellent match and all the substitutes who aren't related to members of the coaching staff had decent games. Johnny Hanratty in particular was excellent and should start in Aughrim.
Does the pitch at Aughrim have floodlights or is it likely to be a Saturday afternoon throw in? I presume Sunday is a non-starter given that the Minors are playing in the Ulster final.
Armagh's 1st half performance was as poor as I've seen in 35 years following them. A fecking disgrace!!! We were clueless. Noticed Kevin Dyas getting his ankle worked on during the warm up and it showed during the game...........Paul Duffy was so unfir it is untrue. As other have said the ball going into Jamie was incredibly poor.
The second half saw us take over completely but the ref let Wicklow back in with a goal that would have been disallowed in an under 10 match. I'd say it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the Wicklow man took at least eight steps. We got back into it for the ref to ride us again by not giving a stone wall free at the end and then cutting normal time off early when we were going forward.
We played fairly well in ET only for another dodgy goal with the Wicklow forward ripping the ball out of Brendan Donaghy's hands illegally.
I know we shouldn't need a decent referee to beat Wicklow but that's six points that shouldn't have counted.
Best for Armagh were Malachy Mackin and Charlie Vernon....if Jamie Clarke had've finished his run off with a goal into the low goals it would've have been the best goal seen in Armagh in a long time.
Worringly it looks like we're going to have injury concerns over Ciaran McKeever (who was excellent), AK and Dyas.
I'm not going to comment on Murtagh's introduction and withdrawal 15-20 mins later as it is beneath contempt. Well done to Gavin McParland on an excellent equaliser.
why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
because the average Down fan has the humility of Graham Geraghty combined with the grace of a championship Hill 16 part-timer.
Thats nice is that us all or just the ones that have an opinion on something that you dont agree with
Armagh were awful in the first half, most didn't want to know. Wicklow should have had twice the lead if their shooting was better. In the second half Armagh showed a bit of spirit, but even the Wicklow fans beside me couldn't believe that the goal stood. Cullyhanna men best for Armagh.!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 09, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 09, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
Why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
It's not as if you've had grudge matches in recent times or both been strong at the same time to generate real rivalry??
Because the average Down fan has the humility of Graham Geraghty combined with the grace of a championship Hill 16 part-timer.
Armagh were horrendous in that first half tonight. Wicklow, for all their application and belief, are in Division 4 for a reason yet Armagh were very fortunate to still be in touch at half-time. Despite dominating the final 55 minutes, Armagh still conceded goals at crucial moments. The fact that 7 or 8 substitutions were made and the worst performing starting player survived 90 minutes says it all about the quality patrolling the line.
In an attempt to dwell on positives, Jamie Clarke was superb, Mal Mackin had another excellent match and all the substitutes who aren't related to members of the coaching staff had decent games. Johnny Hanratty in particular was excellent and should start in Aughrim.
Does the pitch at Aughrim have floodlights or is it likely to be a Saturday afternoon throw in? I presume Sunday is a non-starter given that the Minors are playing in the Ulster final.
Why would you need floodlights in the middle of summer? unless you think the Aughrim game will go to ET aswell.
Quote from: ross4life on July 09, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 09, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 09, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
Why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
It's not as if you've had grudge matches in recent times or both been strong at the same time to generate real rivalry??
Because the average Down fan has the humility of Graham Geraghty combined with the grace of a championship Hill 16 part-timer.
Armagh were horrendous in that first half tonight. Wicklow, for all their application and belief, are in Division 4 for a reason yet Armagh were very fortunate to still be in touch at half-time. Despite dominating the final 55 minutes, Armagh still conceded goals at crucial moments. The fact that 7 or 8 substitutions were made and the worst performing starting player survived 90 minutes says it all about the quality patrolling the line.
In an attempt to dwell on positives, Jamie Clarke was superb, Mal Mackin had another excellent match and all the substitutes who aren't related to members of the coaching staff had decent games. Johnny Hanratty in particular was excellent and should start in Aughrim.
Does the pitch at Aughrim have floodlights or is it likely to be a Saturday afternoon throw in? I presume Sunday is a non-starter given that the Minors are playing in the Ulster final.
Why would you need floodlights in the middle of summer? unless you think the Aughrim game will go to ET aswell.
Presume they'd need to take account of the possibility, although I suppose the light was grand at the end of the match tonight so perhaps that's a silly point to raise. My recollection that Wicklow qualifiers tend to be in the afternoon rather than evening though I may be wrong about that.
Quote from: mackers on July 09, 2011, 10:18:53 PM
Armagh's 1st half performance was as poor as I've seen in 35 years following them. A fecking disgrace!!! We were clueless. Noticed Kevin Dyas getting his ankle worked on during the warm up and it showed during the game...........Paul Duffy was so unfir it is untrue. As other have said the ball going into Jamie was incredibly poor.
The second half saw us take over completely but the ref let Wicklow back in with a goal that would have been disallowed in an under 10 match. I'd say it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the Wicklow man took at least eight steps. We got back into it for the ref to ride us again by not giving a stone wall free at the end and then cutting normal time off early when we were going forward.
We played fairly well in ET only for another dodgy goal with the Wicklow forward ripping the ball out of Brendan Donaghy's hands illegally.
I know we shouldn't need a decent referee to beat Wicklow but that's six points that shouldn't have counted.
Best for Armagh were Malachy Mackin and Charlie Vernon....if Jamie Clarke had've finished his run off with a goal into the low goals it would've have been the best goal seen in Armagh in a long time.
Worringly it looks like we're going to have injury concerns over Ciaran McKeever (who was excellent), AK and Dyas.
I'm not going to comment on Murtagh's introduction and withdrawal 15-20 mins later as it is beneath contempt. Well done to Gavin McParland on an excellent equaliser.
Have to say I saw the game in an almost identical way although I though AK was our Man of the Match and was the only player in the first half who looked like he knew what a football was.
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Quote from: ross4life on July 09, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Why would you need floodlights in the middle of summer?
Given that Saint Brigid's Day is on the 1st day of Spring on 1st February, there are 22 days of Summer(Samhradh - picking up this stuff rightly) left. Nowhere near the middle. Reckon you live in Italy or somewhere.
I have a house in sunny Sorrento how did you guess.
Lucky in a lot of ways to get the result although will count for nothing if beat next week.
Listening to game on radio Ulster 1st half was brutal and if it had been another team, game could have been over at halftime.
Subs and move of Mackin to FF made big difference and hopefuly forward line that finshed game will start next day. Commentary on radio put 2nd goal down to mistake by Donaghy rather than foul. Is Donaghys position under threat for replay?
With a decent draw for next round, a win next week could leave 4 games in 4 weeks which if nothing else should give the likes of McParland, Hanratty, McKenna and Grugan some championship game time.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 09, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Have to say I saw the game in an almost identical way although I though AK was our Man of the Match and was the only player in the first half who looked like he knew what a football was.
please someone tell me david is having a laugh!
ak thinks he's a star, plays like he's a star and performed tonight like most stars....ie does fek all for most of the game but come the business end looms up for a vital score to take all credit. so yeah fair enough happy we're still in it via his vital pt or whatever but no way man of the match. that easily goes to ciaran mckeever
An entertaining game but overall one we should have put to bed. The two gammy goals aside, we were all over them in the second half and should never have went to extra time.
First half was awful, slack marking in fullback line, midfield struggled and the ball to the fullforwards was awful.
Second half was a different game altogether, really dominated but for a few poor decisions in front of the posts we would have snuck a win tonight.
Donaghy, AK and Clarke were outstanding with Mal Mackin MOTM hands down. McParland also showed some balls (bennydorano!) to bring the game to et.
Dyas, Murtagh and B Mallon were IMO horrific.
We should win the replay if we up the workrate and lose the complacent attitude!
When the referee overruled his umpires to disallow Hanratty's non-point, an overweight smoker at the Dalton end shouted "How is that a square ball you fcuk ing gypsy"
Some intelligent people in the crowd.
M.Mackin was MOTM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 09, 2011, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 09, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 09, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 09, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
Why do Armagh & Down hate each other so?
It's not as if you've had grudge matches in recent times or both been strong at the same time to generate real rivalry??
Because the average Down fan has the humility of Graham Geraghty combined with the grace of a championship Hill 16 part-timer.
Armagh were horrendous in that first half tonight. Wicklow, for all their application and belief, are in Division 4 for a reason yet Armagh were very fortunate to still be in touch at half-time. Despite dominating the final 55 minutes, Armagh still conceded goals at crucial moments. The fact that 7 or 8 substitutions were made and the worst performing starting player survived 90 minutes says it all about the quality patrolling the line.
In an attempt to dwell on positives, Jamie Clarke was superb, Mal Mackin had another excellent match and all the substitutes who aren't related to members of the coaching staff had decent games. Johnny Hanratty in particular was excellent and should start in Aughrim.
Does the pitch at Aughrim have floodlights or is it likely to be a Saturday afternoon throw in? I presume Sunday is a non-starter given that the Minors are playing in the Ulster final.
Why would you need floodlights in the middle of summer? unless you think the Aughrim game will go to ET aswell.
Presume they'd need to take account of the possibility, although I suppose the light was grand at the end of the match tonight so perhaps that's a silly point to raise. My recollection that Wicklow qualifiers tend to be in the afternoon rather than evening though I may be wrong about that.
The Wicklow crowd were heartily annoyed by the extra time and now late they would be getting home. You couldn't blame the Wicklow county board if they decided to repay the compliment after the needless intransigence of the Armagh county board. Only issue is whether they have a ground with floodlighting. A shout out to the Wicklow support who were superb, some of the best supporters ever to come to Armagh if I might be so bold to suggest. Was talking to one lad going into the stand, he was wrote off, but a good, happy wrote off. I could contrast him with some of the wankers I passed at the underpass past Niall's Crescent who suggested I not bother going to watch the effing Armagh match, but would be better employed getting effed on cans. I passed no remarks on them, but still got called a w**ker for my pains. But that would be churlish.
Quote from: rolloutking on July 09, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
When the referee overruled his umpires to disallow Hanratty's non-point, an overweight smoker at the Dalton end shouted "How is that a square ball you fcuk ing gypsy"
Some intelligent people in the crowd.
M.Mackin was MOTM
Agreed, Mackin was far and away man of the match.
However, the point was actually ruled out for square ball, which I have never before seen in my life.
No floodlights in Aughrim, very old style ground but will accomodate the crowd ok.
Was the point not ruled out on the basis it was about three foot wide?
As for AK I thought he was mom for two reasons. 1. He was the only player who came close to performing in the first half and 2. He seemed to have a hand in most scoring attacks. Mal Mackin was very good last 55 mins but was non existent first half.
Quote from: The Worker on July 09, 2011, 08:23:22 PM
i heard a large portion of the buckfast brigade left at half time!
Bollocks no one left.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2011, 09:07:19 PM
Why all the booing? Presumably the Armaghs ?
The booing was for the ref, quite the worst display of one-sided refereeing I have ever seen, frees given in at the Armagh end and out at Wicklow end. Both goals should have been free outs. there were more decisions that were questionable too numerous to mention. Some one mentioned Leinster Ref favoring Leinster team, I'm not sure but either way he was worth 2-4 for Wicklow. That said Armagh performance in the first half was crap. The half forward line in particular turned over ball after ball. Also Johnny Murtagh should not be on that panel but even he did not deserve the humiliation served up to him - on 10 mins max and substituted. Smacks of a line that is floundering. Tony Kernan and Johnny Hanratty made some difference as did McParland. Part of me wanted Wicklow to win just to put O'Rourke out of his misery...deadman walking. As for Michael O'Rourke playing well again and pulled ashore. What does Donal Murtagh see in the stand that we don't?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Was the point not ruled out on the basis it was about three foot wide?
As for AK I thought he was mom for two reasons. 1. He was the only player who came close to performing in the first half and 2. He seemed to have a hand in most scoring attacks. Mal Mackin was very good last 55 mins but was non existent first half.
If you cast your mind back you'll recall the umpire came out, after being instructed by the referee, and crossed the flags. This is the signal to indicate a square ball. Again, never have I seen a
point and one from over 20 metres out for that matter, ruled out for square ball in all my born days. The Wicklow ones were only making the wide gestures because they knew the ref was looking to strike out the point. Even they must have been pretty amazed it was for square ball.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 09, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: mackers on July 09, 2011, 10:18:53 PM
Armagh's 1st half performance was as poor as I've seen in 35 years following them. A fecking disgrace!!! We were clueless. Noticed Kevin Dyas getting his ankle worked on during the warm up and it showed during the game...........Paul Duffy was so unfir it is untrue. As other have said the ball going into Jamie was incredibly poor.
The second half saw us take over completely but the ref let Wicklow back in with a goal that would have been disallowed in an under 10 match. I'd say it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the Wicklow man took at least eight steps. We got back into it for the ref to ride us again by not giving a stone wall free at the end and then cutting normal time off early when we were going forward.
We played fairly well in ET only for another dodgy goal with the Wicklow forward ripping the ball out of Brendan Donaghy's hands illegally.
I know we shouldn't need a decent referee to beat Wicklow but that's six points that shouldn't have counted.
Best for Armagh were Malachy Mackin and Charlie Vernon....if Jamie Clarke had've finished his run off with a goal into the low goals it would've have been the best goal seen in Armagh in a long time.
Worringly it looks like we're going to have injury concerns over Ciaran McKeever (who was excellent), AK and Dyas.
I'm not going to comment on Murtagh's introduction and withdrawal 15-20 mins later as it is beneath contempt. Well done to Gavin McParland on an excellent equaliser.
Have to say I saw the game in an almost identical way although I though AK was our Man of the Match and was the only player in the first half who looked like he knew what a football was.
McKeever and Donaghy were outstanding as well.
Quote from: Abble on July 09, 2011, 11:27:17 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 09, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Have to say I saw the game in an almost identical way although I though AK was our Man of the Match and was the only player in the first half who looked like he knew what a football was.
please someone tell me david is having a laugh!
ak thinks he's a star, plays like he's a star and performed tonight like most stars....ie does fek all for most of the game but come the business end looms up for a vital score to take all credit. so yeah fair enough happy we're still in it via his vital pt or whatever but no way man of the match. that easily goes to ciaran mckeever
Would agree with McKeever as MOTM but AK was excellent as well.
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on July 10, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Was the point not ruled out on the basis it was about three foot wide?
As for AK I thought he was mom for two reasons. 1. He was the only player who came close to performing in the first half and 2. He seemed to have a hand in most scoring attacks. Mal Mackin was very good last 55 mins but was non existent first half.
If you cast your mind back you'll recall the umpire came out, after being instructed by the referee, and crossed the flags. This is the signal to indicate a square ball. Again, never have I seen a point and one from over 20 metres out for that matter, ruled out for square ball in all my born days. The Wicklow ones were only making the wide gestures because they knew the ref was looking to strike out the point. Even they must have been pretty amazed it was for square ball.
I believe that's the signal to indicate a cancelled score for any reason although I may be wrong
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on July 10, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
Quote from: rolloutking on July 09, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
When the referee overruled his umpires to disallow Hanratty's non-point, an overweight smoker at the Dalton end shouted "How is that a square ball you fcuk ing gypsy"
Some intelligent people in the crowd.
M.Mackin was MOTM
Agreed, Mackin was far and away man of the match.
However, the point was actually ruled out for square ball, which I have never before seen in my life.
Incorrect, the point was given wide, you can not have a square ball for a point, even a ref as shite as Pat Fox would know that.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 01:03:02 AM
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on July 10, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Was the point not ruled out on the basis it was about three foot wide?
As for AK I thought he was mom for two reasons. 1. He was the only player who came close to performing in the first half and 2. He seemed to have a hand in most scoring attacks. Mal Mackin was very good last 55 mins but was non existent first half.
If you cast your mind back you'll recall the umpire came out, after being instructed by the referee, and crossed the flags. This is the signal to indicate a square ball. Again, never have I seen a point and one from over 20 metres out for that matter, ruled out for square ball in all my born days. The Wicklow ones were only making the wide gestures because they knew the ref was looking to strike out the point. Even they must have been pretty amazed it was for square ball.
I believe that's the signal to indicate a cancelled score for any reason although I may be wrong
Correct
a load of wicklow reg cars nailed front to back apparently. some things never change :-\
On the ref, I have to say I thought he was alright and I would be the first to be on his case if I thought he was being more than ordinarily incompetent. I guess there was the Micko factor there, which didn't help Armagh as if the referees sympathies were going to be anywhere it was going to be with the blue and gold. But still and all, he was useless, but no more useless than referees generally are.
Wicklow's comeback today is the most dramatic thing to happen to the county since miley had an affair on biddy!
I stand corrected, although, amazingly, having just read the official guide, it is perfectly possible for a point to be given as square ball in the following circumstances. I didn't think the ball was wide myself, so I'll be interested to see this on the Sunday Game.
Foul Play
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle before the ball enters it during play.
Exception
When a point is scored from outside the small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently high to be out of reach of all players, the score shall be allowed even though an attacking player may have been within the small rectangle before the ball - provided that the player in question does not interfere with the defence.
Betcha didn't know that!
Fair play on the rules.
I can see hurling being on first on Sunday Game this week, with the qualifiers getting a run at 10.30pm after the adulation of the Dubs 49th Leinster.
Were do you start. Armagh were absolutely dreadful in the first half and it is possibly the worst I have ever seen them play. They looked like a team who had only just been introduced and the Wicklow number 8 was winning everything in midfield and Glynn was giving Andy Mallon a torrid time. On saying that IMO the referee over the whole game was even worse than this. He had a bad day at the office. I will not dwell on the decisions as I am still in bad form!
After half time Armagh were a different team. I think it is worth noting that from 9-2 down Armagh went to the end of the game scoring 17 points (only 1 free I think) while Wicklow scored 6 times (2-4). Two of these scores were more than dubious goals. Armagh also had numerous wides and the Wicklow keeper made 2 outstanding saves from Murtagh and Clarke (hope TV shows this run and safe as it was class all round). This would suggest that if Armagh play to their potential they should win.
Must say that I thought MOR was more than a little unfortunate to be taken off. Best on the day for Armagh were Donaghy, McKeever, AK , Vernon (ET), Stevie and Clarke. For me MOM was Mackin in ordinary time and AK in extra time. Also thought it showed a great attitude for a young fella like McParland to take the final score in normal time. Also thought he was fouled when going for a winner shortly after.
Yeah would agree with a lot of that throwball. Like you, the anger is clouding a lot for me, I've had to take a heavy dose of depressants (cans) to take me down off the annoyance I felt when I first carried the door off the hinges when I walked into the house. I do think the referee was no more that averagely bad. I was waiting for both goals to be whistled up, but they weren't and that's what you have to live with. It's going to be worse down in Aughrim, what with the Micko gushing that's going to be spewed on the Sunday Game. Armagh have a serious job on there hands down there and the odds really aren't in their favour this time.
Thoughts, probably drunken, but whatever:
The first half spawned the most insipid, pathetic and embarrassing half hour of championship football that I have ever seen from an Armagh team.
We were the better team for the next 55 or so minutes, but failed to take chances to put away a dogged and hard working opposition.
I now understand what the 'Micko factor' means - total influence over the referee.
It would also seem that Micko has embraced the blanket in his old age. POR took an age to figure this out and was blessed that the 'stick the big man in FF and hoof the ball into him' plan came off, with Mal Mackin putting in a performance of a lifetime.
Both Wicklow goals should have been disallowed.
The Armagh substitutions made a huge difference, bar one notable exception.
Johnny Murtagh - what's the point?
How James Lavery lasted the whole 90 minutes beggars belief.
Kevin Dyas and Brian Mallon were also huge disappointments.
The likes of Declan McKenna and Gavin McParland are well worth a run in the team. They're no worse than the men they're replacing, but have the potential to far exceed the abilities of these very average players.
Jamie Clarke lives up to all the hype, and very nearly scored what would been the best goal I have ever seen at intercounty level.
Charlie Vernon is the most frustrating player the county has produced in years. Looks like Sean Cavanagh one minute, looks like an eejit the next.
The Cullyhanna boys have more balls than most, and without Mal Mackin we'd have nothing but next year's McKenna Cup to look forward to. Superb effort all year from a much maligned player.
Wicklow should be favourites next weekend. Little to suggest that their midfield won't dominate again, which will give their very decent FF line plenty of ammunition to work with.
Get your Xmas money early....and lump on Armagh next week ;)
I think Ye are being a bit hard on Vernon, granted he spilled a lot of ball in the first but by god he tried his heart out particularly in et. Livery really struggled but again never gave up. The wicklow mid field were huge men. AK had some great scores, but his man caused havoc for 70 mins. Duffy was so far off the pace it was ridiculous. Tk & hanratty really improved the forward line & mf. What was with the kick and hope tactics into the ff line .... ridiculous...... I have been giving por the benefit of the doubt all year but the first half was the worst I have seen in 30 years following armagh....
Quote from: Throw ball on July 10, 2011, 02:19:21 AM
Were do you start.
That was exactly how I was going to start my post!! :D Where do you start?!?!??
The first thing to say was that the Athletic Grounds looked magnificent last night - in over forty years of going there, I've never seen the pitch looking better. There was a feeling of it being a really unique occasion - Wicklow, in the Championship, on a lovely Saturday evening in Armagh. Wicklow too had a few hundred, very vocal supporters up which lent to the occasion.
After that, the occasion threatened to turn into a nightmare. As others have stated, Armagh produced the most embarrassng performance I think I have ever see from them, and believe me, I've seen a few. There seemed to be absolute lethargy, with our play dominated by basic, basic errors. Furthermore, there seemed to be little semblance of what I would call a gameplan to our play. We were absolutely clueless. Wicklow coughed up a series of wides over that period that would have seen them out of sight.
The second half started along the same lines and again Wicklow had chances to put us away. Their number fifteen took Andy Mallon on the outside, twice in a row - he scored a point with his first effort and Hearty made a smart save with his legs for the second effort. This save was the turning point of the match for me - if that had gone in we were gone. We absolutely owned the ball for the next twenty minutes, reeled Wicklow in, took the lead, but ourselves missed great opportunities to put Wicklow away. I felt there was an element of us thinking the work was done, as some of our misses were terrible.
That meant that Wicklow were still within touching distance as time was almost up. I couldn't actually believe that the ref let the goal stand. The forward appeared to be bottled up, and turned at least twice to get space, carrying the ball what I would guess were at least a dozen steps. To be fair, the team didn't panic and Mc Parland's equaliser was an absolute peach.
Exta time started of in a similar vein to the end of normal time, with Armagh dominating but not being able to put Wicklow away. Again we had opportunites but couldn't convert. That again left us open for the sucker goal, which duly came, but again our lads didn't panic, got the equaliser and looked to be heading for the winner when the ref blew for time. A fella near us had a stopwatch on it, and claimed he blew for time about a minute and a half early, and that is not taking into account stoppages, of which there was at least one lengthy one.
The whole thing I have to say was a rollercoaster ride - you would struggle to get a more exciting sporting spectacle anywhere.
Best for me on the night were Mackin and McKeever. Veron, Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke also showed well in patches, and most of the subs made contributions. On the flip side, the Dyas experiment did not work, and I'm afraid Brian Mallon has had his chance. A question I would ask though, was Billy Jo Padden injured? I assume he was, as too McKeever when getting taken off?
When all is said and done, we are a First Divsion team, and Wicklow are playing in Division Four. I would expect more from us than to be lumping a high ball in on top of a big full forward to try and win a game. Maybe circumstances dictated that, as there was an element of throwing caution to the wind.
Still, I think we'll be up against it big time in Aughrim. :-\
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on July 10, 2011, 01:25:11 AM
I stand corrected, although, amazingly, having just read the official guide, it is perfectly possible for a point to be given as square ball in the following circumstances. I didn't think the ball was wide myself, so I'll be interested to see this on the Sunday Game.
The ball went wide - we were standing on the Drumarg side, and were in absolute line with it - it went narrowly wide of the post - I was amazed the umpires gave it to be honest.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 01:03:02 AM
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on July 10, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Was the point not ruled out on the basis it was about three foot wide?
As for AK I thought he was mom for two reasons. 1. He was the only player who came close to performing in the first half and 2. He seemed to have a hand in most scoring attacks. Mal Mackin was very good last 55 mins but was non existent first half.
If you cast your mind back you'll recall the umpire came out, after being instructed by the referee, and crossed the flags. This is the signal to indicate a square ball. Again, never have I seen a point and one from over 20 metres out for that matter, ruled out for square ball in all my born days. The Wicklow ones were only making the wide gestures because they knew the ref was looking to strike out the point. Even they must have been pretty amazed it was for square ball.
I believe that's the signal to indicate a cancelled score for any reason although I may be wrong
No, you are correct and right!
Aughrim is a great town for the football, its well off the beaten track, the pubs are great crack but its a nightmare trying to get a result there as down foud out to their cost. Id be surprised if Armagh got through.
Picking up on something Rufus said there, the ref bottled it last night big style in terms of timing. I was timing the match and by my clock he blew up normal time 45 seconds early (2.15 into at least 3.00 minutes of injury time) when Armagh should have had a free in which to me looked like a dcision that had been influenced by the recent Dublin v Kildare game. After this he awarded Wicklow a free 15 seconds past the end of time in the first period of extra time despite the fact no injury time was indicated. Finally after Armaghs equaliser he consulted with an umpire and blew the match up 12 seconds before the end of regulation time. I thought refs didn't play for draws? Last nights clearly did.
Having said all that it would have been Armaghs ineptitude and not the ref that would have been the biggest influence on the result last night. I don't expect Armagh to play as poorly the next day either and would therefore think we could get a result in the replay
As to venue I thought the tannoy said last night that the replay was to be held next Saturday at a neutral venue to be announced? Don't know why that would be but I was pretty sure that's what I heard and my brother who was listening on the radio said he had the same thing
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 10:48:16 AM
Finally after Armaghs equaliser he consulted with an umpire and blew the match up 12 seconds before the end of regulation time. I thought refs didn't play for draws? Last nights clearly did.
There should have been close on 2 mins injury time in the 2nd period of extra time. There was absolutely no play for about 90 seconds at the end when 2 Wicklow players went down injured. I couldn't believe it wen he blew up right on (or even short of) the 10 minutes.
Was at the game last night but can't remember McParland's equalising point; where did he score from and was it a foot or fisted score?
maybe the ref was saving armagh from another sucker punch of a goal?
they should count themselves lucky to get a 2nd chance.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 10, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Was at the game last night but can't remember McParland's equalising point; where did he score from and was it a foot or fisted score?
Left foot from about 21 yards out but fairly close to the Drumarg stand; it just about crept over the bar.
For a neutral the game would have been great, from an Armagh perspective it was pure manure. Finn Mo and Dyas had poor games, A Mallon got the run around and C Vernon was poor enough (but did come into it a bit late on) Mal Macking was consistently Armaghs best player last night, C McKeever was decent and the fella went in for a ball in the 2nd half( where he got injured) that was about 20% in his favour and just dove at the ball to break it away from the opposition.
A Kernan was poor enough early on but the more the game went on the better he became, his great athleticism showed at the end of the game and in ET, McParland's jersey was clearly pulled as he ran for the ball at the very death in normal time but the ref seemed to miss this. I can't comment on the 2 goals as i was at the opposite end of the ground and didn't get a good view TBH.
Is P Duffy carrying an injury? he was Armagh's best player all year until the last 2 championship games...
Quote from: illdecide on July 10, 2011, 12:35:45 PM
McParland's jersey was clearly pulled as he ran for the ball at the very death in normal time but the ref seemed to miss this.
The ref was about 50 yards away in the middle of the pitch. I was in line, and at the roar of our support, he sprinted five yards to his right to try and get a better view - unfortunately by then the incident had passed!! :-\
Quote from: illdecide on July 10, 2011, 12:35:45 PM
. I can't comment on the 2 goals as i was at the opposite end of the ground and didn't get a good view TBH.
i seen both, i was sitting near that 21 line
first goal, yer boy took at least 9 steps with the ball
second goal, wicklow no 8 caught ball on the 14, fumbled it, armagh boy got it, gave it back to wicklow no. 8 as a present and then he just THROWS it to the lad who got the goal !
Save a seat for Mickey Harte next weekend.
I went to Armagh/Wicklow last night and Dublin/Wexford today.I enjoyed today game more than i did last night.Paul Duffy should be off the panel and kevin dyice 2.Any word were it is gonna be played ?? I heard that it could be in Parnell Park. Is this true ?
armagh for sam? anyone? ::)
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on July 10, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
I went to Armagh/Wicklow last night and Dublin/Wexford today.I enjoyed today game more than i did last night.Paul Duffy should be off the panel and kevin dyice 2.Any word were it is gonna be played ?? I heard that it could be in Parnell Park. Is this true ?
Why would it not be in Aughrim?
I've heard Parnell park mentioned too something to do with replays being in neutral venues? As I said earlier I thought the tannoy last night had said it would be neutral venue.
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on July 10, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
I went to Armagh/Wicklow last night and Dublin/Wexford today.I enjoyed today game more than i did last night.Paul Duffy should be off the panel and kevin dyice 2.Any word were it is gonna be played ?? I heard that it could be in Parnell Park. Is this true ?
Dont know who this dyice character is, but dyas and duffy are both well worth a place on the panel, with one or the other starting on the opposite wing to ak. as a poster previously stated, duff has been excellent for armagh previously and to me is still carrying an injury. Dyas was one of few positives to come out of the league!
Dyas and Duffy were clearly not fit before the match last night with AK and Ciaran McKeever picking up knocks during the match. I'd say Paul Carragher will be a busy boy this week. Any big predictions about next Saturday would have to be put on hold until we hear whether these guys are going to be fit.
On the flip side if we didn't have to go to Aughrim it would be a huge relief, but I don't see how a replay has to be played at a neutral venue.
We'll have to hatch a plan to deal with the big guy Stafford in MF, I'd presume Hanratty will be asked to do a job on him like last night and we'll have to try to help AM out with Glynn.
I see johnny murtagh didnt get much game time when he got on to be taken off again,did he get injured or what??
I don't think there was any injury. He was very poor just and should have got the line for jumping knees first into the keeper
Exactly, a red card for clattering into the goalie would have been fair enough.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 11, 2011, 01:01:01 AM
Exactly, a red card for clattering into the goalie would have been fair enough.
To be fair I think the only thing that saved him was that the Longford keeper jumped straight up. Its the only time I have ever heard my dad shouting at a referee to send an Armagh player off for something
Quote from: Family guy on July 11, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
I see johnny murtagh didnt get much game time when he got on to be taken off again,did he get injured or what??
Hell no. Paddy O'Rourke is simply paying the price of a game of cards that he lost. Hopefully thats the concession complete.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
I've heard Parnell park mentioned too something to do with replays being in neutral venues? As I said earlier I thought the tannoy last night had said it would be neutral venue.
tyrone drew with louth in 06' and the replay was in omagh - although that was 5 years ago and the rules seem to change year in year out.
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 11, 2011, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
I've heard Parnell park mentioned too something to do with replays being in neutral venues? As I said earlier I thought the tannoy last night had said it would be neutral venue.
tyrone drew with louth in 06' and the replay was in omagh - although that was 5 years ago and the rules seem to change year in year out.
Antrim drew with Kildare in Newbridge last year. The replay was in Casement. We were stuffed.
Really? What did you have to eat?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
I've heard Parnell park mentioned too something to do with replays being in neutral venues? As I said earlier I thought the tannoy last night had said it would be neutral venue.
Only reason the game wouldnt be in Aughrim is for crowd size and safety reasons.
Seeing as there were 6,415 at the drawn game I think Aughrim will be well able to handle the crowd.
Quote from: Family guy on July 11, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
I see johnny murtagh didnt get much game time when he got on to be taken off again,did he get injured or what??
No and when he went up to Donal to ask why, (I was sitting close by and he appeared to say what the f@@k?) Donal just turned a way without so much as a word. Leaving aside the debate as to why Johnny is in the panel or the merits of his inclusion, his humiliation on Saturday Night was undeserved as there were others still on the pitch whos should have been called ashore. Neither Donal or POR said a word to him and he had to come off in front of a stand packed with Armagh fans. A word of explanation or consolation should have been forthcoming. Micko spoke to every Wicklow player who was subbed.
A previous post asked were Armagh poor or Wicklow good? For the answer I refer you back to the Derry match...Poor!
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
I've heard Parnell park mentioned too something to do with replays being in neutral venues? As I said earlier I thought the tannoy last night had said it would be neutral venue.
Micko clearly thinks that it will not be neutral, here are his comments on RTE today:
"Ah sure they were telling us that about Armagh when we were going up there that it would be very hard for us to beat them. Down in Aughrim there's a pitch there, it's about 160 yards long and a hundred yards wide so there's no difference playing on that pitch as there is playing on any other pitch in the country.
But yes we've done pretty well there since I went to Wicklow so let's hope it continues there on Saturday."
Any thoughts about the team for the replay? One of the things that I would take issue with management over is the need to change the team as a reaction - a kneejerk reaction? - to the previous match, rather than considering longer term trends. Anyone can have a bad match but if the form is generally good, then they should retain their place. My fear ahead of next Saturday would be that Dyas would get dropped given the failure of the experiment that saw him moved into attack. I'd commend the management for trying it, but don't lose sight of he fact that he was one of our best players this year - so I hope he is retained in defence.
After that, there appear to be worries about injuries. Paul Duffy and Stevie are meant to be less than 100% fit, which is a worry in itself. Anyone know what the story is with Billy Joe Padden - I can only assume he is hurt if he did no feature at all on Saturday? Add to that Nippy, David McKenna and Kieran Toner who are definitely injured and problems are mounting. However the loss of our best player - Ciaran McKeever - is without doubt a body blow, particularly as a visit to Aughrim is going to require what the British tabloids like to call 'bottle'. If, as is being suggested, he is unavailable, then the loss of his leadership is potentially a game turner.
On the basis that Kieran Toner, Nippy, Ciaran McKeever and David McKenna are uavailable, but Stevie and Duff are fit, I would go with something like;
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Dyas
Kernan Veron Duffy
Hanratty Lavery
MOR Padden Grugan
Stevie Mackin Jamie
My midfield would be dictated by injuries. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of Hanratty, despite missng a couple of very good opportunities. I would have CV at centre back - the alternatives are Martin (not in good form), McKenna (big ask for one so young) and Donaghy (he played very well at 3 - leave well alone). By withdawing CV from midfield, I would give Lavery the benefit of the doubt, as he did not play well on Saturday.
The Mackin experiment worked well, so I'd go with that again, and withdraw MOR to the half forward line. I would have BJP back in at 11 (as he got a raw deal if not injured) and give Grugan ago at 12 - the alternative is Brian Mallon and I think he has had his chance for now and needs to prove his worth again.
I still think we'll be up against it though!! :-\
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 10, 2011, 12:55:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2011, 09:07:19 PM
Why all the booing? Presumably the Armaghs ?
The booing was for the ref, quite the worst display of one-sided refereeing I have ever seen, frees given in at the Armagh end and out at Wicklow end. Both goals should have been free outs. there were more decisions that were questionable too numerous to mention. Some one mentioned Leinster Ref favoring Leinster team, I'm not sure but either way he was worth 2-4 for Wicklow. That said Armagh performance in the first half was crap. The half forward line in particular turned over ball after ball. Also Johnny Murtagh should not be on that panel but even he did not deserve the humiliation served up to him - on 10 mins max and substituted. Smacks of a line that is floundering. Tony Kernan and Johnny Hanratty made some difference as did McParland. Part of me wanted Wicklow to win just to put O'Rourke out of his misery...deadman walking. As for Michael O'Rourke playing well again and pulled ashore. What does Donal Murtagh see in the stand that we don't?
Would say its a case of black and amber tinted glasses but surely he cant even make it onto 'cross 2nds team... Shoudn't be anywere near an Armagh team, and let's hope thats the end of his Armagh career
#bloodthickerthanwater
I hear that McKeever is touch and go.
Have to say that I'd have more sympathy for MOR than Johnny Murtagh in respect of his treatment by the management. He has been substituted in the last two games while playing well.
Stevie played better when he moved out to a deeper position, hopefully he will continue there with Malachy and Jamie continuing where they left off on Saturday night.
If our injury list is not too bad and if the spirit shown on Saturday night (after the first 30 mins) continues we will sneak the replay.
Quote from: mackers on July 11, 2011, 01:47:55 PM
I hear that McKeever is touch and go.
Have to say that I'd have more sympathy for MOR than Johnny Murtagh in respect of his treatment by the management. He has been substituted in the last two games while playing well.
Stevie played better when he moved out to a deeper position, hopefully he will continue there with Malachy and Jamie continuing where they left off on Saturday night.
If our injury list is not too bad and if the spirit shown on Saturday night (after the first 30 mins) continues we will sneak the replay.
I assume you will be there Mackers. You will not get to many more matches before you are due your bus pass! ;D
QuoteWould say its a case of black and amber tinted glasses but surely he cant even make it onto 'cross 2nds team.
I'm not saying that Murtagh should be on the Armagh first 15, but he can be a reasonable forward. I don't think the question of his not being suitable for the Cross 2nds arises. When he returned from the US he could not have played for Cross in AI club as he had already played in NY. He then joined Dublin club so is not eligible to play for Cross currently.
I do think he was reckless in Saturday's game and should have come off for that reason.
Saturday 7-00pm Aughrim
Match Referee is Rory Hickey from Clare.
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/date/2011_07_16/
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 11, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
I would have CV at centre back - the alternatives are Martin (not in good form), McKenna (big ask for one so young) and Donaghy (he played very well at 3 - leave well alone). By withdawing CV from midfield, I would give Lavery the benefit of the doubt, as he did not play well on Saturday.
This is interesting from a Harps man. I wouldn't have been that impressed by any of the brief stints that Vernon has spent in defence for Armagh. His marking wouldn't be great and his style of tackling sometimes isn't the most controlled, often selling himself by diving in for the big hit. On the other hand McKenna didn't look out of place at all on Saturday in the HB line, and would have plenty of experienced heads around him if he was asked to fill in at 6.
Jeez rufus, I have to admire you. I wish I still had the heart for in depth analysis at this stage
Quote from: mackers on July 11, 2011, 01:47:55 PM
I hear that McKeever is touch and go.
Have to say that I'd have more sympathy for MOR than Johnny Murtagh in respect of his treatment by the management. He has been substituted in the last two games while playing well.
Stevie played better when he moved out to a deeper position, hopefully he will continue there with Malachy and Jamie continuing where they left off on Saturday night.
If our injury list is not too bad and if the spirit shown on Saturday night (after the first 30 mins) continues we will sneak the replay.
I don't rate Johnny, and he should not have been on in the first place, but contrast O'Dwyer's hand shake and back slap for every man coming off with the treatment of Murtagh and indeed Michael O'Rourke. If the had to take Murtagh off then a quick word would have spared his blushes a bit, Donal would't even speak to him. you can't treat players like that and keep their respect.
Noticed the free count in the paper there:
Wicklow - 30
Armagh - 13
The Micko factor!
is the game all ticket???
Quote from: drici on July 11, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: fan01 on July 11, 2011, 09:02:47 PM
is the game all ticket???
No.
sorry just after finding out that the game is an all ticket event...
Quote from: AFS on July 11, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
Noticed the free count in the paper there:
Wicklow - 30
Armagh - 13
The Micko factor!
Wait to aughrim to you see the micko factor
How am I still confident we can do it
Quote from: AFS on July 11, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 11, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
I would have CV at centre back - the alternatives are Martin (not in good form), McKenna (big ask for one so young) and Donaghy (he played very well at 3 - leave well alone). By withdawing CV from midfield, I would give Lavery the benefit of the doubt, as he did not play well on Saturday.
This is interesting from a Harps man. I wouldn't have been that impressed by any of the brief stints that Vernon has spent in defence for Armagh. His marking wouldn't be great and his style of tackling sometimes isn't the most controlled, often selling himself by diving in for the big hit. On the other hand McKenna didn't look out of place at all on Saturday in the HB line, and would have plenty of experienced heads around him if he was asked to fill in at 6.
i'd be inclined to go with Deccie McKenna myself, I've a lot of faith in him, great reader of a game but can be lax with the marking himself. It would be a big ask, but he's big enough to look after himself and certainly wouldn't be cowed.
Im not a fan of John Murtagh but i think its time someone stuck up for him. He`s not just there for who he is sher he was New Yorks top score last year and a heard he scored 2-10 in training last week off two of our starting defenders
Give the lad a break :)
Just watched the highlights of this game. What was the story with the big lad running down the steps and trying to jump the fence?
Can you post a link for the highlights if possible please? Cheers
Quote from: naka on July 11, 2011, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: AFS on July 11, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
Noticed the free count in the paper there:
Wicklow - 30
Armagh - 13
The Micko factor!
Wait to aughrim to you see the micko factor
What?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2011, 11:28:51 PM
Just watched the highlights of this game. What was the story with the big lad running down the steps and trying to jump the fence?
:D I remarked him myself - was after each Wicklow goal. I thought for a minute it was a very angry Armagh fan, such was the manner in which he charged down - but surely must have been Wicklow.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 11, 2011, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: AFS on July 11, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 11, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
I would have CV at centre back - the alternatives are Martin (not in good form), McKenna (big ask for one so young) and Donaghy (he played very well at 3 - leave well alone). By withdawing CV from midfield, I would give Lavery the benefit of the doubt, as he did not play well on Saturday.
This is interesting from a Harps man. I wouldn't have been that impressed by any of the brief stints that Vernon has spent in defence for Armagh. His marking wouldn't be great and his style of tackling sometimes isn't the most controlled, often selling himself by diving in for the big hit. On the other hand McKenna didn't look out of place at all on Saturday in the HB line, and would have plenty of experienced heads around him if he was asked to fill in at 6.
i'd be inclined to go with Deccie McKenna myself, I've a lot of faith in him, great reader of a game but can be lax with the marking himself. It would be a big ask, but he's big enough to look after himself and certainly wouldn't be cowed.
Well, the debate on Charlie's best position doesn't just belong to Armagh - that debate also occurs within our Club!! Deccie is a future number six for the County - I'm sure of that, but given he only made his Championship debut on Saturday, and only saw fleeting appearances during the league, I think it is a big ask to consider him in centre half back. If not Deccie, then I feel it comes down to CV or Brendan Donaghy, and either way we're already in 'robbing Peter...' territory. More options at midfield thus suggests for me the best accommodaton is CV at six.
Losing McKeever is a big blow for Armagh. Swift and Toner also mean Armagh will be below their best. It is a pity that players get injured. I would always prefer to see the best of one county play the best of another.
It is a sad thing but I think eventually the counties that make the last four will be decided in no small part to the injury situation in any given county. Look at Derry, they've lost both Bradleys and now look like they will find it very difficult to challenge. Down's problems are easing but maybe their players will not be back before it is too late.
I hope Armagh, like every county, get their players back soon and win or lose on fair terms.
But c'est la vie, it is a pity but just something that has to accepted
MOR seems he will never finish a game regardless of how he plays, fair play to Mackin - been really good this year. Murtagh is not this level but he doesn't deserve abuse.
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 12, 2011, 10:40:13 AM
MOR seems he will never finish a game regardless of how he plays, fair play to Mackin - been really good this year. Murtagh is not this level but he doesn't deserve abuse.
I agree wholeheartedly. Though I seem to be in a minority of 1 in thinking his treatment on Saturday was worse than anything posted here.
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 11, 2011, 11:36:36 PM
Can you post a link for the highlights if possible please? Cheers
Sorry I meant I had recorded the Sunday game on Sky+ and watched it last night
Is it not on the RTE website?
What happened McKeever? How long is he out for?
Mackin and Clarke looked to have good games but it's hard to say with such short highlights.
So nobody knows who the large guy was who keep running down the steps and looked like he was gonna jump into the field? He did it after both Wicklow goals and wondered was he raging a free out wasn't given?
Is mc keever definitely out?
I'm still disgusted by the 1st half performance on saturday. No disrespect to Wicklow but we should be beating a team of their ilk quite handily, especially on our home patch. The body language of the players nearly shocked the life out of me.
The positives to take from the game are that we now have the option of Mal Mackin at full forward and Johnny Hanratty could well be a huge step towards mending our midfield woes. Young Mcparland also showed well.
The huge worry is that in the 1st half the only leader we had was McKeever and now that he is out, have we got the players to stand up and take the responsibility.
I can't understand why M. O'Rourke keeps getting subbed, it's mind boggling. He shows for the ball and is an excellent passer but i get the feeling that he is a confidence player and he is being done no favours from management in that regard.
If, and it is a big IF, we get past Wickla we have the dream draw as far as i'm concerned. Beating the enemy in their own back yard would make my year.
I still think management are holding this group of players back but there is nothing to be done about that this season unfortunately
a few not taking the weekends result to well then
Police reporting trouble in the Friary Road and Killylea Road areas in Armagh
Heard reports that the aughrim's capacity has been reduced to 5,000 - health and safety reasons
Going to head down on saturday
hopefully Armagh will get a decent crowd going down - Wicklow had great support last saturday
QuotePolice reporting trouble in the Friary Road and Killylea Road areas in Armagh
Probably caused by elements taunting them about losing the Battle of Aughrim (among others)!
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I take then that there are no seated tickets?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
I take then that there are no seated tickets?
I take it you have never been to Aughrim?
Let's hope that Páirc Ui Bhroin doesn't turn out as Páirc na mBrón for Armagh!
Weather will probably be showery, unlike today.
I missed the match last weekend, but I keep hearing and reading that an attempt by J Clarke was the greatest goal never scored, yet it didn't appear on The Sunday Game, UTV or BBC. No highlights on armagh website either.
Anyone know of any other clips?
Quote from: Feckitt on July 13, 2011, 04:52:47 PM
I missed the match last weekend, but I keep hearing and reading that an attempt by J Clarke was the greatest goal never scored, yet it didn't appear on The Sunday Game, UTV or BBC. No highlights on armagh website either.
Anyone know of any other clips?
Very disappointed not to see this again as well. Would love just to be able to accurately count the number of men he beat, was at least six.
Quote from: Feckitt on July 13, 2011, 04:52:47 PM
I missed the match last weekend, but I keep hearing and reading that an attempt by J Clarke was the greatest goal never scored, yet it didn't appear on The Sunday Game, UTV or BBC. No highlights on armagh website either.
Anyone know of any other clips?
Surely that was McDonnell in 2003.
QuoteSurely that was McDonnell in 2003.
This was one of the most influential non-goals.
Clarke's non-goal may not prove that important if Armagh win on Sunday, but it would have been a cracker.
He might do a reprise on Saturday.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 13, 2011, 08:23:51 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2011, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 13, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
I take then that there are no seated tickets?
I take it you have never been to Aughrim?
Never. Please enlighten me.
There are very few seats, very few anything in fact, its probably worse than Drogheda, but Aughrim is a very nice village.
QuoteThere are very few seats, very few anything in fact, its probably worse than Drogheda, but Aughrim is a very nice village.
It is old, but it is beautiful...
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2011, 05:26:13 PM
QuoteSurely that was McDonnell in 2003.
This was one of the most influential non-goals.
Clarke's non-goal may not prove that important if Armagh win on Sunday, but it would have been a cracker.
He might do a reprise on Saturday.
In the 1994 Ulster final Jamesy was fouled in the corner, in the process his boot came off. Donnelly (I think) picked it up but instead of giving it back to James he threw it into the crowd. Wee James was incensed and tapped a quick free, took the return and soloed straight through the Tyrone defence wearing just one boot. He was just about to pull the trigger when he was hauled down. The penalty was awarded, and it was indeed scored so no injustice done.
But had James scored a goal in the Ulster final by soloing through a defence wearing only one boot, I think it would have become one of those legendary pieces of footage that get cycled around by TV broadcasters regularly.
Not the most important non-goal, because we got and scored the penalty, but just shows there are these occasions that leave you thinking "what might have been" long after the event. Times when you know you so nearly witnessed something that would have been significant but ultimately will mean nothing in the long-term.
at least the season ticket will get us in. I hope that its a great game, played in the right spirit and two great sets of supporters supporting their team - just like last week.
Championship fever is upon us all
Whats the story with the injuries, i hear mc keever is doubtful... hope its not the case.... ARe they showing the match on rte??? probably show kildare v wicklow!!
Anybody staying down? Was thinking of getting a B & B or cheap hotel room somewhere.
I think Aughrim is booked out, anyone advise on a neighbouring village or town?
Arklow maybe?
Quote from: mrgaa1 on July 14, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
at least the season ticket will get us in. I hope that its a great game, played in the right spirit and two great sets of supporters supporting their team - just like last week.
Championship fever is upon us all
What way do the Season Tickets work? Are you billed whether you attend or not? "Unfortunatley" I have a wedding on Saturday so won't be able to get to Aughrim. Last Saturday evening I paid in at the turnstile: were tickets to have been sent out in advance (if so they didn't arrive)?
Do you not get the emails from office?
You get your card scanned at specific gate numbers. Only all ticket matches are tickets sent out.
You get charged unless you use your 'opt out' card, whether you attend or not.
QuoteAnybody staying down? Was thinking of getting a B & B or cheap hotel room somewhere.
I think Aughrim is booked out, anyone advise on a neighbouring village or town?
You could stay in Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen or the Boyne!
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 14, 2011, 11:49:17 AM
Whats the story with the injuries, i hear mc keever is doubtful... hope its not the case.... ARe they showing the match on rte??? probably show kildare v wicklow!!
Very tough day for Wicklow. I have they have a strong enough panel :P
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on July 14, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
Do you not get the emails from office?
You get your card scanned at specific gate numbers. Only all ticket matches are tickets sent out.
You get charged unless you use your 'opt out' card, whether you attend or not.
Cheers, Goats. Brother-in-law ordered mine at the start of the year and had both mine and his sent to his address. He's in the States on hols at mo. So, would I need a physical hard ticket on or would the swiping of the ST get me in?
QuoteSo, would I need a physical hard ticket on or would the swiping of the ST get me in?
Please see the Season Ticket information below.
Fixture: Armagh v Wicklow
GAA FOOTBALL ALL IRELAND SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIP 2011 ROUND 2 - Replay
Venue: Aughrim
Date: Saturday 16/07/2011
Price: Adults: €5 Juveniles: €Nil
Please enter through designated season stile at main entrance
Your season ticket(card) will gain you entry to the match.
Thanks, lads. Just to negotiate my way out of a wedding now!
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
11 Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Caolan Rafferty Granemore
24. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
If we're going down there without Ciaran McKeever, its going to be one hell of a battle. That 9/4 about Wicklow is cracking value, I'd price this one up Armagh 4/6 Wicklow 6/4.
Brian Mallon starts and not Tony Kernan????
Quote from: PatDaly on July 14, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
Brian Mallon starts and not Tony Kernan????
I don't feel either have done enough recently to merit a starting spot. I'd have rather seen Billie Joe or one of the Ballymacnab lads in the half forward line.
Id be happy enough with that team considering our options. The best games i have seen Tony Kernan play seems to be when he comes on as a sub, still think Brian Mallon could do a job for us but he needs to step up soon.
Looks like MOR coming out to half forwards with Hanratty, Vernon and Lavery as a three man midfield, so we should compete much better there this time. Glad to see Decky McKenna in for Duffy, not sure if Duffy was carrying a knock or whatever but to me he didnt look interested in the first half last week. Optimistic.
IF we get past Wicklow is there any word of McKeever, Toner and Swifts injuries?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2011, 10:16:28 PM
Brian Mallon has been given more chances over the years with several managers from Big Joe to POR and he has never been able to put together a performance worth talking about, all buzz and no sting.
He has played well in fits and starts ( remember brilliant point in SF IN 2005 when half Tyrone team was after him) but would agree he has had more than enough chances.McParland deserves a chance after the last game.
Quote from: Orangemac on July 14, 2011, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2011, 10:16:28 PM
Brian Mallon has been given more chances over the years with several managers from Big Joe to POR and he has never been able to put together a performance worth talking about, all buzz and no sting.
He has played well in fits and starts ( remember brilliant point in SF IN 2005 when half Tyrone team was after him) but would agree he has had more than enough chances.McParland deserves a chance after the last game.
Brian Mallon scored a great point in 2005 - of what exact relevance is that? How has Brian Mallon performed for Armagh over the last 12 months? If the truth be told he's a serious weak link in the Armagh team that many Armagh fans outside of South Armagh fail to recognise.
If the worst comes to the worst, and we take a spill on Saturday, I would assume that the position of management will be under severe scrutiny. That said, POR can justifiably turn around on this occasion and lament his luck; both Paul Duffy and David McKenna missing through injury to add to Nippy Swift, Ronan Clarke, Kieran Toner and Ciaran McKeever. At this stage of the dreaded rebuilding, such losses must impact.
On the basis that that is the fifteen that will start, I would like to see Deccie go to six and Kevin Dyas and Finn Mo occupy the left of the defence - preferrably with Kevin going to seven and Finn Mo dropping back. I'd hope KD would offer more going forward and give them something to think about. I'm also guessing we will try Malachy Mackin on the edge of the square again, with MOR going to half forward, possibly Stevie coming deeper and Hanratty playing around the middle.
I think Brian Mallon can count himself lucky - I hope he grabs this chance with both hands. I'll be honest, I would have had BJP in there - if he is not injured, then I cannot understand the extent of his fall from grace.
The team will be up against it big time - unfamiliar surroundings, weakened team, inexperienced players, opposition playing with a spring in their step and a pasionate and expectant crowd behind them. I'm glad I'll be there to roar Armagh on. ;)
Best of luck to the players and management and in particular to Deccie McKenna!! 8)
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 15, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
...That said, POR can justifiably turn around on this occasion and lament his luck; both Paul Duffy and David McKenna missing through injury to add to Nippy Swift, Ronan Clarke, Kieran Toner and Ciaran McKeever. ...
That injury list is certainly bad news for Armagh. But you cannot lament luck when you are a Division one side playing against a Division four side. Even without those players Armagh should be beating the likes of Wicklow.
Down were missing Hughes, MaGinn, Rogers, Rafferty, McCartan, Garvey, and Murtagh when we played Clare. Despite those players being out it still would not have been good enough for us to lose, which nearly happened. We could not have put it down to injuries and bad luck. It simply wouldn't have been good enough.
No such thing as bad luck in this next game, the side quoted has absolutely enough talent to beat Wicklow and if they don't then it will be an abject failure not an excusable one due to injuries.
However to give balance to my comment - If the same injury list exists and Armagh had to play Tyrone, then yes it would be justifiable to say that bad luck would be having an serious affect on your ability to win.
Everything relates back to down don't you know...
I love new posters who think people from other counties are interested in their opinions on everything
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 15, 2011, 09:13:05 AM
Everything relates back to down don't you know...
I love new posters who think people from other counties are interested in their opinions on everything
Firstly - I'm hardly a "new" poster.
Secondly - It was an appropriate and fair comparison, a division 1 side, with a lengthy injury list, playing away to a division 4 side.
Thirdly (and most importantly) - Exactly what discursive benefit was your post? What aspect of the game, the team, the performance, the tactics or the significance of the result does it address? Or even what aspect of my comment does it constructively agree with, or counter in relation to the subject?
Please try to say something useful or objective about the subject matter, and try to restrict your irrelevant personal bitter attacks which have no benefit to people wishing to engage in intelligent discussion.
And finally, if you want to stay in your little dictatorship world where you only have to listen to the opinions of people who you think have a right to hold one, then you could set up a facebook page or have an email group. If you are not interested in more than a restricted number of people's opinions then why are you engaging on a public "opinion" forum?
any word on which match they are showing on rte on saturday night?
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 15, 2011, 09:51:46 AM
any word on which match they are showing on rte on saturday night?
Kildare and Meath I think.
I'm sick of the sight of those flour bags!
In the Kildare Meath thread Dinny gave a statistic like this will be 9 in a row championship matches for Kildare on TV, and something like 18 of their last 20.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2011, 10:16:28 PM
Brian Mallon has been given more chances over the years with several managers from Big Joe to POR and he has never been able to put together a performance worth talking about, all buzz and no sting.
Correct, and Tony Kernan has had one poor game against Derry and hes a better player than Padden. IMO
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 15, 2011, 09:13:05 AM
Everything relates back to down don't you know...
I love new posters who think people from other counties are interested in their opinions on everything
I would see eye to eye with Paul on much, but he is correct in his assessment and is entitled to an opinion.
Is that Johnny Hanratty that was over playing in New York for a few years? How is John Murtagh in that squad? Is Armagh really that bad?
BBC reporting that the Armagh team has yet to be named. Also notice that Stafford is out injured, big blow for Wicklow or is this more codology from Micko.
BBC has just updated with the teamsheet
Aughrim a sellout, according to RTÉ.
Hopefully quite a few Armagh people will be there as well as locals.
1000 tickets sold in armagh, rest are wicklow, we'll be out numbered 5 to 1.... time to stand up and fight as they say
www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/othernews_index.html
QuoteHome advantage may be telling factor for Wicklow
By Rory Houston
Mick O'Dwyer reminded us all last week of the basic elements of football and what hard work and a simple game plan can achieve.
Much is made of the developments in the game and the alternative styles of play that we've seen this year. So while we were all debate the amount of fist-passing, high numbers in the backline or the sweeper system, Micko was putting his team through rigorous preparation for their Championship to get them as fit as possible.
Last week's match between Wicklow and Armagh was quite far away from the talk of a changing game. It was a classic Championship battle, full of fight, desire and passion.
The match ended level - it was a correct result with both teams having spells of domination over the 70 minutes and extra-time.
However, there will be regrets for one team come Saturday night. The Aughrim rematch is likely to be a similar encounter.
Wicklow's Leighton Glynn spoke of his surprise this week about how much fuss is made about the venue.
The restricted capacity will make little difference - the ground will be rocking and the Wicklow supporters, thanks to O'Dwyer, will certainly believe they can finish the job.
The venue is a particularly important aspect this week. The Garden men really shocked Armagh in the first game - the onus is on the Orchard to come fighting this time and it will be a lot harder in Aughrim.
Armagh have shown mixed form this year. They are a good team and possess some very talented players. However, they just do not have enough quality in the XV and panel to have anything better than hopes of a run in the qualifiers this year.
Kevin Dyas moves to centre-back this week and that will help to shore up the defence that Wicklow exploited on many occasions last week.
Declan McKenna and John Hanratty come into the team as Armagh look for a response. If they don't set down an early marker, the glorious career of Mick O'Dwyer will continue for one more game.
There is nothing to fear for the home side and with the inspirational performance last week carrying them, they should progress in another tight encounter.
Verdict: Wicklow
The Micko shitehawkery continues right to the very end. Reports like this one actually do him a disservice by failing to highlight his ability to adapt teams even at this late juncture. A cursory viewing of last weekend's game would've illustrated Wicklow's organised and clustered defensive set up to even the least perceptive of football followers. Their near fatal second half collapse should also raise serious questions about their fitness levels. Failing to pick up on these things identifies this fella Houston as either a spoofer or an eejit. More lazy shite from RTE.
I'm going on holiday this weekend and will be in Newark airport when the match is on. Would any kind sole being willing to text me the half time and full time scores if I pm'd them my number. No family member about to do it for me.
Quote from: AFS on July 15, 2011, 02:45:22 PM
www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/othernews_index.html
QuoteHome advantage may be telling factor for Wicklow
By Rory Houston
Mick O'Dwyer reminded us all last week of the basic elements of football and what hard work and a simple game plan can achieve.
Much is made of the developments in the game and the alternative styles of play that we've seen this year. So while we were all debate the amount of fist-passing, high numbers in the backline or the sweeper system, Micko was putting his team through rigorous preparation for their Championship to get them as fit as possible.
Last week's match between Wicklow and Armagh was quite far away from the talk of a changing game. It was a classic Championship battle, full of fight, desire and passion.
The match ended level - it was a correct result with both teams having spells of domination over the 70 minutes and extra-time.
However, there will be regrets for one team come Saturday night. The Aughrim rematch is likely to be a similar encounter.
Wicklow's Leighton Glynn spoke of his surprise this week about how much fuss is made about the venue.
The restricted capacity will make little difference - the ground will be rocking and the Wicklow supporters, thanks to O'Dwyer, will certainly believe they can finish the job.
The venue is a particularly important aspect this week. The Garden men really shocked Armagh in the first game - the onus is on the Orchard to come fighting this time and it will be a lot harder in Aughrim.
Armagh have shown mixed form this year. They are a good team and possess some very talented players. However, they just do not have enough quality in the XV and panel to have anything better than hopes of a run in the qualifiers this year.
Kevin Dyas moves to centre-back this week and that will help to shore up the defence that Wicklow exploited on many occasions last week.
Declan McKenna and John Hanratty come into the team as Armagh look for a response. If they don't set down an early marker, the glorious career of Mick O'Dwyer will continue for one more game.
There is nothing to fear for the home side and with the inspirational performance last week carrying them, they should progress in another tight encounter.
Verdict: Wicklow
The Micko shitehawkery continues right to the very end. Reports like this one actually do him a disservice by failing to highlight his ability to adapt teams even at this late juncture. A cursory viewing of last weekend's game would've illustrated Wicklow's organised and clustered defensive set up to even the least perceptive of football followers. Their near fatal second half collapse should also raise serious questions about their fitness levels. Failing to pick up on these things identifies this fella Houston as either a spoofer or an eejit. More lazy shite from RTE.
This is ridiculous reporting. How some people can actually be paid as journalists when they don't even feel the need to know the basic information about their subject. To suggest that Dyas will move to CHB because he is needed to shore up the defence is a and insult and a joke. This guy doesn't even seem to be aware of either the quality of McKeever as a footballer or that his injury is the reason Dyas is moving.
Secondly on what basis does he construct the idea that a team that finished 6th in Division one do not have the talent to be in the quarter finals. But the lazy reporting of the switch of Dyas and McKeever is nothing short of incompetence.
Does Duffleking still believe that they posess as good a backline as any in the country?
Seriously, one swallow does not make a summer as one all-ireland does not make you a good team!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 15, 2011, 04:04:34 PM
Does Duffleking still believe that they posess as good a backline as any in the country?
Seriously, one swallow does not make a summer as one all-ireland does not make you a good team!
Spud if you want an honest debate fine, but if you prefer to post insulting sh8t like this then stick to the Tyrone Board.
as feared
SATURDAY 16 JULY
THE SATURDAY GAME LIVE (W)
RTÉ Two - 6.40pm
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke and Ciaran Whelan for live coverage of the Round 3 All Ireland Football Qualifier between Meath and Kildare in Navan.
anyone ever use this? http://live-gaa-online.blogspot.com/2011/07/wicklow-vs-armagh-live-gaa-football.html
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 14, 2011, 09:42:59 PM
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
Decent enough side
I note stafford is out
Fancy us this time to finish Wicklow off
10 Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
11 Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Caolan Rafferty Granemore
24. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
If we're going down there without Ciaran McKeever, its going to be one hell of a battle. That 9/4 about Wicklow is cracking value, I'd price this one up Armagh 4/6 Wicklow 6/4.
Anybody got any spare tickets? I need 2.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 15, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
1000 tickets sold in armagh, rest are wicklow, we'll be out numbered 5 to 1.... time to stand up and fight as they say
5000 capacity so you ll be outnumbered 4 to 1 ;)
Quote from: Gaffer on July 15, 2011, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 15, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
1000 tickets sold in armagh, rest are wicklow, we'll be out numbered 5 to 1.... time to stand up and fight as they say
5000 capacity so you ll be outnumbered 4 to 1 ;)
6000 Capacity.
Apparently the team that's out isn't official. They won't officially name until tomorrow.
anyone know of any radio stations to listen to the game?
i have a spare ticket but also need a lift to game. anyone available?!
Quote from: armagho9 on July 15, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
anyone know of any radio stations to listen to the game?
yes its live on newstalk radio on sky tv i believe.. thats radio on sky.. the match is not on tv ;)
i was listening to newstalk this morning neither of the two gaa contributers would call this match ::) the presenter told them they had splinters in their arses from sitting on the fence. where are we going wrong if we cant put wicklow away then whats next.. "lucky to pull a draw against london" ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on July 15, 2011, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: armagho9 on July 15, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
anyone know of any radio stations to listen to the game?
yes its live on newstalk radio on sky tv i believe.. thats radio on sky.. the match is not on tv ;)
thanks, looking forward to it.
http://www.wicklowgaaonline.com/index.php/2011/07/wicklow-v-armagh-sold-out/
Kerryman from Micko land here predicting an orchard win. Pains me but I thing Garden County got their chance and left it. Would love to to wrong,
If Stafford is out then Armagh have a great chance, as he was massive in last weeks game.
Armagh games this year have been entertaining at least. Some good work by Armagh in the Down game, Derry playing some of their best football in a while and a close game with some good play against Wicklow. Let's hope it is as good today.
Some showers about!
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2011, 12:58:10 PM
If Stafford is out then Armagh have a great chance, as he was massive in last weeks game.
Armagh games this year have been entertaining at least. Some good work by Armagh in the Down game, Derry playing some of their best football in a while and a close game with some good play against Wicklow. Let's hope it is as good today.
Some showers about!
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Looks like a wet one for Belfast, get your money on Antrim. We all know how the Brazilians of gaelic football do not like the rain
Lads, anyone know of radio coverage of today's match. Does Wicklow broadcast home games?
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 16, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
Lads, anyone know of radio coverage of today's match. Does Wicklow broadcast home games?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm)
Thanks, Pints. Hope I can hear it over here!
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 16, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
Lads, anyone know of radio coverage of today's match. Does Wicklow broadcast home games?
http://eastcoast.fm/listen/live
Not at game, but TK is on for B Mallon.
Duff on for Deccie McKenna
Newstalk are also covering it.
Wicklow 0-01 Armagh 0-02 after 5 minutes
Stafford for Wicklow can't jump due to his injured ankle
Thanks, Cuervo, but of course not a dribble of sound. Keep the scores coming, lads.
Live coverage on http://www.newstalk.ie/
The referee seems to be giving a lot of handy frees to Wicklow
Now its Wicklow 0-03 Armagh 0-02
Thanks, Pat. Have sound now.
Goal Armagh 1-2 to 0-4
Jamie Clarke
0-5 to 1-2
Sounded like a lucky goal for the Armagh men. 1-3 to 0-5 now
Armagh 1-3 Wicklow 0-05
0-5 to 1-3
Point from Duffy
Stevie with a free.
Armagh 2 up and playing against strong breeze
0-6 to 1-5
As we saw last two is not enough for comfort. Wind with Armagh in this half and picking up
Level.
Against the run of play another goal for Armagh. 2-7 to 0-9 now
Tyrone folk will be happy to see armagh limping thru so they can give the wee neighbours another footballing lesson ;)
Aughrim is a tough place to go Armagh got the goals at the right times & kept Wicklow at arms length. Tyrone should have enough to beat Armagh next week.
rerun of game on now on premier sports Sky433
Quote from: maddog on July 16, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
rerun of game on now on premier sports Sky433
Anyone subscribe to this premier sports?
Never heard of it until now.
Very grateful to TAC for his updates. Did the team start as named? Were Armagh as poor as everyone is making out? Will the Tyrone game be on tv? Anyone know where I could see it in Orlando?
TK and Hanratty played, no McKeever or Brian Mallon. McParland and Padden came on for these and Finn Mo was substituted by V. Martin.
Padden moved to partner with Jamie and did OK.
there were two changes to the team that was named. Hanratty and Kernan started for B. mallon and mckeever i think.
best for Armagh were O'Rourke, Vernon, A. Kernan and Duffy. Mackin was the stand out player of the match for me.
Two lucky enough goals although the finish for the second was class by Clarke who played well but rarely saw the ball in the 2nd half, wicklow had most of the possession but did little with it. First goal somehow went in. When was hit straight at the guy on the line
Just a quick note on the Armagh supporters around me. From the first second of the match we had "f**king free state ref screwing us again" comments continued during the match and we were all told at one stage "thats its not the first time the free state have screw us over". This for me has become the norm especially at Armagh matches but with Northern teams in general and the old excuse that its only a few, is wearing pretty thin with me at this stage.
Have no idea about Orlando, David, but you may wish to call this place. Can't speak to its quality but got it from the Premium Sports site:
Bar/Venue Lucky Leprechaun
Address 7032 International Drive
City Orlando, FL 32819
Phone 407-352-7031
What's the area code of where you're staying?
A very throughother and disjointed performance but a win nonetheless and that's all that can be asked.
Donaghy gave a masterful display on furlong and o'rourke had maybe his best performance in an armagh jersey - vital player now. Stevie used the ball quite well too in his h forward roll. Big mal did v well when brought out around the middle too.
Puts us in a decent position for a rattle at tyrone. Certainly nothing to lose and if a performance can be summoned like the ulster champ first round it will be enough.
Just back
Slippy underfoot conditions. this is how i saw it
hearty ----- 7.5. Good game.. saved a greta point a foot over the bar and the goal shot at the end. Did everything that was asked of him. Steady but a few kickouts could have been directed to the wings more. ..... But good game all the same
Andy------- 8 great game on Glynn. He is a livewire and marked him well and foraged forward very well. Blown up a few times unfairly when glynn slid in for the ball with andy behind him. Great job done andy
Donaghy..... 8 -------- Played in behind his man and played the option of dispossessing him from behind before he got the ball........ Did great and got so many fists and punches and hands to the ball first.......... Great game and a few good runs down the firls
Finn --------.6.5 A few fouls and could have been 2nd yellow carded. Did ok......... No runs forward and was kept busy
A Kernan. ---- 7 . Kept busy . Did what he had to 2. Missed 2 kickable frees . He was run all over the place and did ok-------- covered a lot of ground.
Dyas.......... 6. Not a chf in my opinion. Can be silky going forward but doesnt go into tackles and doesn't get into the hard stuff. Haven't seen enough of him so far to think he should be in the team.
Duff......... 7.5........ Good game. kept the big lad quiet. Still looks not at 100% and hobbled a bit. Played some necessary clearance balls out of the final 21 yards in the 2nd half..... Good outlet as well.
Charlie........ 8 - good game...... Was on the ball a lot and covered so much grtound. Worked hard. Still runs into silly tackles and loses the ball at times but a big player for us all the same
James L......... 7.5 .......... he won a good few balls. won some and then spilled them....... Last 20 he was great covering back. Would like to see him start vs tyrone
M O'rourke........ 7.......... On the ball a lot. Link up play good. But would have got a bigger mark only his man caused havoc going fwd....... Could have tracked back more as the number 7 caused us a lot of trouble up front.
Hanratty..... 7,5........ didn't seem to do much. But he kept Stafford quiet and that alone was a feat. wasn't on the ball a lot. Run himself into the ground before moving to FF line and then subbed. Perhaps deserves to start vs tyrone
T. Kernan........ 6........ Didn't do much for me and hasn't so far this year. Got on the ball a bit in the 1st half and used it well but was anonymnous for too long. When used as a sub he shines. When starts he doesn't........... Maybe better coming of the bench
Jamie........... 7.5.......... 1st goal was v lucky.... 2nd goal was that of a supreme poacher. Not in the game as much as he could have been but popped up when needed and won good ball. Slipped a few times and a couple of times lost the ball unnecessarily. " bad wides inside 30 yards......... But still our most important player
Mal........... 8..... 1st have was slow for Mal but 2nd half he played great. Got his hands to a ball he shouldn't have reached to set up Jamie for the 2nd goal and in the middle of the park he was great in the final 20 mins.......... First 20 mins he was quiet because no early ball in but when it was pumped in he did great......... Great year for Mal so far
Stevie........... 8.5............ He did some running tonight. Was all over the place and was an outlet every time. The ball stuck to his gloves whenever he went for it and layed off some class passes. He'll be tired tonight and a real captains performance......... Still a class act
MOTM ........... Between Andy, Donaghy, Charlie, Mal and stevie........... For me stevie because he was the outlet so many times. Didn't waste any balls and was all over the place. His man couldn't mark him (either the both of them) and was solid and always laid the bAll on well
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Pretty good player ratings above and I'd agree with much of it. I thought it was a decent enough performance only for a huge number of wides. The poster who stated that Wicklow had most of the ball is wrong IMO, I'll be interested to see the stats in the papers.
MOTM for me was Brendy Donaghy who was masterful at FB. MOR had a great game, he can take a score and hit a pass, he along with Stevie, in his deeper role, are a good partnership in the HF line. Thought James Lavery was poor, if he plays against Tyrone his lack of mobility will be exposed. Mickey Harte was sitting in front of us and it will not take a tactical genius like him to expose this weakness.
The wides were a source of frustration last night although the positive would be that we created a lot of chances.
We could go tit for tat on supporters - my young fella said he wanted to wait a bit after the game to leave as he didn't want to run into a mob! The jeering and booing is terrible. I have no doubt that there are Armagh supporters who let the county down and the ref is always an easy target but as was said every county has supporters like that. I actually thought the ref had a good game. Felt he gave Wicklow a few soft frees but also that our first goal could have been a free out for over carrying. Bar about ten minutes in second half I honestly never thought Armagh were going to lose. Towards the end they were just playing keep ball and making sure Wicklow didn't goal. Roll on next week!
Very enjoyable day out yesterday. First time ever in Aughrim and it is a beautiful part of the world. Was pleasantly surprsed by the size of our support, and had a few beverages earlier in the day in Avoca wth fellow Armagh supporters.
As for the match, I thought we deserved our victory without ever being in anyway impressive. It required a real sleeves rolled up effort and you could not fault the commitment of the players. After an encouraging opening, Wicklow began to dominate and Jamie Clarke's first goal came at exactly the right time, as it semed to knock Wicklow out of their stride. It was the second half before Wicklow got going again and once again it was Jamie Clarke's goal that cam at exactly the right time. From there to the end there was a degree of comfort, although I would be alarmed at the number of terrible wides we had. I would have to say also that Stafford looked far from fit throughout the game, and I can't believe that he lasted the whole match.
Best for me on the night were MOR, Veron, Stevie, Aaron, Mal Mackin and my man of the match, Brendan Donaghy. He made a brilliant interception in the first half and it was only watching it again on the TV that I realised that it ended up with our first goal. Worth also pointing out that our subs like last week, all made a good impact.
Last night was Championship, and so the result was all important. However looking back, that performance won't be good enough next week. If we could get McKeever and Toner back, fully fit, I'd be a lot more confident. We got by without them last night, but it will be different in Omagh. I've said it before on here, but this team reminds me of our side of the early 1990s - some way off the top, but with a number of excellent players who can beat any team on a given day, but are not capable of stringing a couple of big performances together.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 16, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
there were two changes to the team that was named. Hanratty and Kernan started for B. mallon and mckeever i think.
best for Armagh were O'Rourke, Vernon, A. Kernan and Duffy. Mackin was the stand out player of the match for me.
Two lucky enough goals although the finish for the second was class by Clarke who played well but rarely saw the ball in the 2nd half, wicklow had most of the possession but did little with it. First goal somehow went in. When was hit straight at the guy on the line
Just a quick note on the Armagh supporters around me. From the first second of the match we had "f**king free state ref screwing us again" comments continued during the match and we were all told at one stage "thats its not the first time the free state have screw us over". This for me has become the norm especially at Armagh matches but with Northern teams in general and the old excuse that its only a few, is wearing pretty thin with me at this stage.
Whilst there is no excuse for the manner in which they are expressing their opinions, it is a fact that Armagh have suffered at the hands of Southern Refs in the past and not just against Southern teams. Last weeks drawn game was the most blatant I can remember. The 03 final and Marsden's dismissal is up there as well.
Really glad I went down to Aughrim, the journey was worth it alone for Jamies second goal... genius. I thought Armagh played really well. Hearty, Donaghy, mallon & Duffy were outstanding in defence, mid-field battled well, Stevie had an excellent game in the HF line & o rourke, mackin & Jamie burst a gut. I must say Hanratty is my type of player and wouldbe a certain starter against tyrone.... roll on next staturday
hearty 8
Andy 8
Donaghy 8.5
Finn 6
A Kernan. 6
Dyas 5.5
Duffy 7
Charlie 8
James L 7.5
M O'rourke 8
Hanratty 7
T. Kernan 6.5
Jamie 8
Mal 8
Stevie 9 (MOTM with Donaghy a close second)