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GAA will welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park during her state visit. Details at eleven.

Its a fecking disgrace it was bad enough with gstq being played a few years back. What next will the gaa do for a few cents.

I guess I'll still go to games whether she comes to croker or not. No big deal really.

Will her host be telling her "And here m'am, is where your soldiers shot completely innocent Irishmen"?

Well, I hope she enjoys the trip. Imagine that one is visiting Croke Park and one has never been to Windsor Park. Does one not know the occupied six counties exist? Shame on you unionists!

Will continue to support Gaelic games and hope to have good reasons to visit Croke Park many times in future years.
Meanwhile hopefully the visiting Head of State of a neighbouring island will offer an official apology for the behaviour of her Country's soldiery in Croke Pk in 1920.

Quote from: Orior on April 07, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
Will her host be telling her "And here m'am, is where your soldiers shot completely innocent Irishmen"?

You think she is a dissident then?

Flags, hats or Headbands?

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(sorry LL, couldn't resist)

Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

Let's not forget, there's plenty of English and Scottish children playing Gaelic games nowadays. They're as much a part of the GAA as the rest of us.  Imagine one of them being disrespectful to our head of state over something that happened 80 odd years ago (before you were even born) and you'll start to see how silly you'd look if you did likewise.

the head of the british armed forces being welcomed to croke park. think its a disgrace.

I am quite impressed with the GAA administrations ability to wind up the Nordies. They take it to a whole new level  ;D

Its like Jurassic Park in here sometimes.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 07:00:58 PM
Its like Jurassic Park in here sometimes.

+1

If Stephen Hawking wanted to prove that time travel was possible, he should have a look in here. Some people seem to be caught in a temporal rift where it's still 1920.

Quote from: muppet on April 07, 2011, 06:23:12 PM

Quote from: Orior on April 07, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
Will her host be telling her "And here m'am, is where your soldiers shot completely innocent Irishmen"?

You think she is a dissident then?

True Muppet, the only Irishmen getting shot are by the filthy terrorist scum.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 07:03:48 PM
If Stephen Hawking wanted to prove that time travel was possible, he should have a look in here. Some people seem to be caught in a temporal rift where it's still 1920.

We can do better than that - there are a whole bunch up here that think its still 1690!  ;D

Full statement from the GAA:

The Gaelic Athletic Association has for well over a hundred years embodied and taken its stand with the mood of the nation, culturally, socially and politically. In unity with our players, administrators and supporters throughout the island and abroad, we were strongly committed advocates of the peace process, and we have welcomed, supported and celebrated the developing reconciliation which has resulted from the Good Friday Agreement and its endorsement by the people, North and South, in referenda.

We now welcome the further development of this process, and the consequential deepening of relationships, which will flow from the invitation by President McAleese to Queen Elizabeth to pay a State visit to Ireland. The GAA is pleased to have been asked to receive Queen Elizabeth, accompanied by President McAleese, at our headquarters in Croke Park and to showcase our stadium and facilities to the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and their accompanying party. We believe that this request reflects and acknowledges the special place of the GAA in the life and history of the nation.

We are confident that this historic visit to Croke Park will be welcomed by those who play, administer and support our games, at home and abroad, including of course throughout Britain. We hope also that it will encourage a greater interest and participation in our games by our fellow Irishmen and women of the Unionist tradition.

The visit to Croke Park will provide the Uachtarán of Cumann Lúthchleas Gael with the opportunity to convey to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh a sense of the history and values of the Gaelic Athletic Association, and its unique and leading place in Irish society.

In the best traditions of our Association, we will extend a warm welcome to Croke Park - a Céad Míle Fáilte - to Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh, accompanied by the President and Dr. McAleese and Philip Jordan.

The GAA will be making no further comment.

Que sera, sera.

" And why does one call it the Hogan Stand?"

Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
" And why does one call it the Hogan Stand?"

More likely: "Why does one sit in a stand?"

plenty of room for her here

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSryu8ayINGWtnsC6HwLp_oI9LHfyD0YltKbxOr0c2cJ5DlI4HIEQ)

Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
" And why does one call it the Hogan Stand?"

"And how many decades ago was that? What terrible times. Thank God they're in the past and we can all move on."

Quote from: Tubberman on April 07, 2011, 07:44:51 PM

Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
" And why does one call it the Hogan Stand?"

"And how many decades ago was that? What terrible times. Thank God they're in the past and we can all move on."

And they tell us to get over the Civil War, a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 07:47:37 PM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 07, 2011, 07:44:51 PM

Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
" And why does one call it the Hogan Stand?"

"And how many decades ago was that? What terrible times. Thank God they're in the past and we can all move on."

And they tell us to get over the Civil War, a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Britain's case of 'divide and conquer' really has been a success for them I must say. ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

Its official we can blame the Brits for everything!!

QuoteDavid Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. Answering questions from students in Pakistan on Tuesday, the prime minister said: "As with so many of the problems of the world, we are responsible for their creation in the first place."

As for Lizzy, she'll come, she'll go, being treated like any other head-of-state. This normalisation might even change the perception of the Republic and the GAA in the minds of some (however few) within the Unionist community. I think if Unionists can see that their traditions and culture can be respected then perhaps even a small chink of light may shine on the idea of a united Ireland. Small steps.

I know her presence there will be difficult for some and unlike some here who like to make judgements while living a safe distance from the six counties, I don't think its fair to be calling people backward, you don't know how they suffered or what they have seen.

How long before Mayo get over 1996?

Quote from: thejuice on April 07, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

Its official we can blame the Brits for everything!!

QuoteDavid Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. Answering questions from students in Pakistan on Tuesday, the prime minister said: "As with so many of the problems of the world, we are responsible for their creation in the first place."

As for Lizzy, she'll come, she'll go, being treated like any other head-of-state. This normalisation might even change the perception of the Republic and the GAA in the minds of some (however few) within the Unionist community. I think if Unionists can see that their traditions and culture can be respected then perhaps even a small chink of light may shine on the idea of a united Ireland. Small steps.

I know her presence there will be difficult for some and unlike some here who like to make judgements while living a safe distance from the six counties, I don't think its fair to be calling people backward, you don't know how they suffered or what they have seen.

How long before Mayo get over 1996?

Hold on, I wasn't judging anyone or trying to suggest anyone is backward for having misgivings about this.
I was just giving my own opinion on it i.e. that they were terrible times, but a long time ago and I have decided to let that lie in the past and not get worked up about the visit (in general, not just to Croke Park).

Re 1996, we won't get over that until we've beaten Meath in a major championship game, and/or win the All-Ireland.
The ideal scenario is that we accomplish both on the same day  ;D

At some stage people have to move on, and with recent events I for one think it can't be a bad thing. Even with an apology it wouldn't be enough for some

Quote from: thejuice on April 07, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

How long before Mayo get over 1996?

For me it was when we reached the 2004 All-Ireland Final.

Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
In the best traditions of our Association, we will extend a warm welcome to Croke Park - a Céad Míle Fáilte - to Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh, accompanied by the President and Dr. McAleese and Philip Jordan.

The GAA will be making no further comment.

Philly has had a lot on his mind lately.

Quote from: ExiledGael on April 07, 2011, 09:48:19 PM

Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
In the best traditions of our Association, we will extend a warm welcome to Croke Park - a Céad Míle Fáilte - to Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh, accompanied by the President and Dr. McAleese and Philip Jordan.

The GAA will be making no further comment.

Philly has had a lot on his mind lately.

Yeah, internet rumours.

Maybe they could be given a couple of Meath jerseys.

Whats the odds Philip comes out with 1 of his sensitive remarks?

It'll be interesting to hear her thoughts on the Marsden incident.

Quote from: Orangemac on April 07, 2011, 10:13:54 PM
Maybe they could be given a couple of Meath jerseys.

Whats the odds Philip comes out with 1 of his sensitive remarks?

Don't bring them to Sligo, he is bound to manage to insult his own missus the dumb fck.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 10:16:57 PM

Quote from: Orangemac on April 07, 2011, 10:13:54 PM
Maybe they could be given a couple of Meath jerseys.

Whats the odds Philip comes out with 1 of his sensitive remarks?

Don't bring them to Sligo, he is bound to manage to insult his own missus the dumb fck.

:D

Quote from: Denn Forever on April 07, 2011, 06:31:36 PM
Flags, hats or Headbands?

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(sorry LL, couldn't resist)

:D

No Worries

Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2011, 06:14:52 PM
Will continue to support Gaelic games and hope to have good reasons to visit Croke Park many times in future years.
Meanwhile hopefully the visiting Head of State of a neighbouring island will offer an official apology for the behaviour of her Country's soldiery in Croke Pk in 1920.

Not to mention quite a few other instances in much more recent times in Ireland. Jaysus some lads seem to think the murder of Michael hogan was the last one carried out by her forces here.

The Gaelic Athletic Association.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 10:21:46 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2011, 06:14:52 PM
Will continue to support Gaelic games and hope to have good reasons to visit Croke Park many times in future years.
Meanwhile hopefully the visiting Head of State of a neighbouring island will offer an official apology for the behaviour of her Country's soldiery in Croke Pk in 1920.

Not to mention quite a few other instances in much more recent times in Ireland. Jaysus some lads seem to think the murder of Michael hogan was the last one carried out by her forces here.

Yeah, but we're talking specifically about her visit to Croke Park here - not the visit to Ireland in general.
I don't think anyone's suggesting what happened in 1920 takes a higher precedence than all other incidents involving British state services.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
The Gaelic Athletic Association.

You mean the same association that Aiden McAnespie was a member of?

Queen is welcome in Croke Park! Won't be the same without Freddie Mercury but feck it!

Feck it! Finding it increasingly difficult to become exercised about this septuagenarian German granny.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
The Gaelic Athletic Association.

You mean the same association that Aiden McAnespie was a member of?

Is there a point you'd like to make using the dead man's name?

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:46:41 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
The Gaelic Athletic Association.

You mean the same association that Aiden McAnespie was a member of?

Is there a point you'd like to make using the dead man's name?

Though it's OK to use Michael Hogan's name as long as it's in the context that "ah Michael Hogan's killing was a long time ago, she's more than welcome"?? My point is that Hogan was not the last GAA man to be murdered by her soldiers so the hurt caused is not quite as long ago as some here would like to have us all believe.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:46:41 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
The Gaelic Athletic Association.

You mean the same association that Aiden McAnespie was a member of?

Is there a point you'd like to make using the dead man's name?

Maybe if you knew who he was you'd know the point Nally stand is making. 
Maybe if you could visit his family, who (like many) didn't get a sniff of justice and tell them "move on". 

Maybe it'd be better if people like young McAnespie (yes, I know who he was thank you very much) didn't get shot anymore as a result of hostility and hatred between the people of Ireland and Britain. Had that thought never occurred to you?

A young GAA fella has just been buried because of a group of knuckle-dragging neanderthals are so full of hatred that they still can't let bygones be bygones and still can't let the past go. Surely to Christ we've learned our lesson by now.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Maybe it'd be better if people like young McAnespie didn't get shot anymore as a result of hostility and hatred between the people of Ireland and Britain. Had that thought never occurred to you?

A young GAA fella has just been buried because of a group of knuckle-dragging neanderthals are so full of hatred that they still can't let bygones be bygones and still can't let the past go. Surely to Christ we've learned our lesson by now.

Had the thought never occurred to me??!!! You think anybody wants to go back to those days? You think I don't know full well about those days? Are you saying that if someone have a problem with her visiting Croke Park before britain acknowledges it's role of the past 40 years (like all sides should) that that person therefor supports a return to violence? Get off your high horse and stop talking nonsense.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 07, 2011, 10:44:46 PM
Feck it! Finding it increasingly difficult to become exercised about this septuagenarian German granny.

*Octogenarian. Sorry, but being from the shamelessly forgotten black north, I know about these things. 

:-\

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Maybe it'd be better if people like young McAnespie (yes, I know who he was thank you very much) didn't get shot anymore as a result of hostility and hatred between the people of Ireland and Britain. Had that thought never occurred to you?

A young GAA fella has just been buried because of a group of knuckle-dragging neanderthals are so full of hatred that they still can't let bygones be bygones and still can't let the past go. Surely to Christ we've learned our lesson by now.

and your advice to his family and those who are angry and upset about it would be to "move on" would it?
Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker.

She should not be near the place. Disgrace. The big knobs in Croke Park are not in touch with much of the grass route supporters here.  >:(  Short memories.

Why are yee mayolads so pro the queens visit to Croke Park?

I am club member, coach, player and supporter of GAA activities but letting the queen into Croke Park i am completely against, in fact im even against letting her step one foot on this Island so the GAA are not speaking for me when they let her in. Typical Irish mentality patting each other on the back that weve matured, total bullshit of the highest order, arselickers and west brit wannabes is all some of us are.

I hope she falls down the steps of Croke Park 8)

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Had the thought never occurred to me??!!! You think anybody wants to go back to those days? You think I don't know full well about those days? Are you saying that if someone have a problem with her visiting Croke Park before britain acknowledges it's role of the past 40 years (like all sides should) that that person therefor supports a return to violence? Get off your high horse and stop talking nonsense.

"David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

"Bloody Sunday report: David Cameron apologises for 'unjustifiable' shootings"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/15/bloody-sunday-report-saville-inquiry

"British apologize for '76 killing of Catholic girl"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nireland_british_apology

And going back beyond the last 40 years:

"Blair issues apology for Irish Potato Famine"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-issues-apology-for-irish-potato-famine-1253790.html

Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
She should not be near the place. Disgrace. The big knobs in Croke Park are not in touch with much of the grass route supporters here.  >:(  Short memories.

I wonder are they in touch with the majority of GAA supporters/players/patrons across the 4 provinces & overseas branches of the gaa.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:14:13 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
She should not be near the place. Disgrace. The big knobs in Croke Park are not in touch with much of the grass route supporters here.  >:(  Short memories.

I wonder are they in touch with the majority of GAA supporters/players/patrons across the 4 provinces & overseas branches of the gaa.

It would be hard for anyone to be in touch with you.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:03:52 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Maybe it'd be better if people like young McAnespie (yes, I know who he was thank you very much) didn't get shot anymore as a result of hostility and hatred between the people of Ireland and Britain. Had that thought never occurred to you?

A young GAA fella has just been buried because of a group of knuckle-dragging neanderthals are so full of hatred that they still can't let bygones be bygones and still can't let the past go. Surely to Christ we've learned our lesson by now.

and your advice to his family and those who are angry and upset about it would be to "move on" would it?
Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker.

+1
Maybe the people who have a problem with her visiting Croke Park would maybe have less of a problem if Britain could just apologise for it's role in recent Irish history (or even admit it had a role) rather than ignore it and pretend in some moral high horse FARCE that we should all move on and forget about the actual victims of her majesty's forces, who are the ones feeling the suffering? Aye we can just tell all those people to move on sure.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:14:13 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
She should not be near the place. Disgrace. The big knobs in Croke Park are not in touch with much of the grass route supporters here.  >:(  Short memories.

I wonder are they in touch with the majority of GAA supporters/players/patrons across the 4 provinces & overseas branches of the gaa.

Stick up a pole and see!

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Why are yee mayolads so pro the queens visit to Croke Park?

I am club member, coach, player and supporter of GAA activities but letting the queen into Croke Park i am completely against, in fact im even against letting her step one foot on this Island so the GAA are not speaking for me when they let her in. Typical Irish mentality patting each other on the back that weve matured, total bullshit of the highest order, arselickers and west brit wannabes is all some of us are.

I hope she falls down the steps of Croke Park 8)

So anyone who isn't a foaming-at-the-mouth Brit hater is a West Brit?

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Why are yee mayolads so pro the queens visit to Croke Park?

I am club member, coach, player and supporter of GAA activities but letting the queen into Croke Park i am completely against, in fact im even against letting her step one foot on this Island so the GAA are not speaking for me when they let her in. Typical Irish mentality patting each other on the back that weve matured, total bullshit of the highest order, arselickers and west brit  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  wannabes is all some of us are.

I hope she falls down the steps of Croke Park 8)

The insults are out because we want a United Irish People aswell as a United Irish State. The people come a long way before the the future state.

Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2011, 11:16:38 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:14:13 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
She should not be near the place. Disgrace. The big knobs in Croke Park are not in touch with much of the grass route supporters here.  >:(  Short memories.

I wonder are they in touch with the majority of GAA supporters/players/patrons across the 4 provinces & overseas branches of the gaa.

Stick up a pole and see!

This site is about 75% Ulster.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:17:08 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Why are yee mayolads so pro the queens visit to Croke Park?

I am club member, coach, player and supporter of GAA activities but letting the queen into Croke Park i am completely against, in fact im even against letting her step one foot on this Island so the GAA are not speaking for me when they let her in. Typical Irish mentality patting each other on the back that weve matured, total bullshit of the highest order, arselickers and west brit  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  wannabes is all some of us are.

I hope she falls down the steps of Croke Park 8)

The insults are out because we want a United Irish People aswell as a United Irish State. The people come a long way before the the future state.

+1. The people who want to keep the hatred and divisions going are usually the ones who like to blow about their ideological nationalist purity.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:16:42 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Why are yee mayolads so pro the queens visit to Croke Park?

I am club member, coach, player and supporter of GAA activities but letting the queen into Croke Park i am completely against, in fact im even against letting her step one foot on this Island so the GAA are not speaking for me when they let her in. Typical Irish mentality patting each other on the back that weve matured, total bullshit of the highest order, arselickers and west brit wannabes is all some of us are.

I hope she falls down the steps of Croke Park 8)

So anyone who isn't a foaming-at-the-mouth Brit hater is a West Brit?

If you dont hate the Brits you are a traitor, a West Brit and clearly deranged.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:13:39 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Had the thought never occurred to me??!!! You think anybody wants to go back to those days? You think I don't know full well about those days? Are you saying that if someone have a problem with her visiting Croke Park before britain acknowledges it's role of the past 40 years (like all sides should) that that person therefor supports a return to violence? Get off your high horse and stop talking nonsense.

"David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

"Bloody Sunday report: David Cameron apologises for 'unjustifiable' shootings"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/15/bloody-sunday-report-saville-inquiry

"British apologize for '76 killing of Catholic girl"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nireland_british_apology

And going back beyond the last 40 years:

"Blair issues apology for Irish Potato Famine"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-issues-apology-for-irish-potato-famine-1253790.html

Your links mention apologies to 15 victims of british troops in the six counties. Do you think David Cameron will any time soon apologise for the many hundreds of other victims of state collusion? Do you think he will soon be releasing a statement to accept that Britain was not infact a "referee" or "peacemaker" between two "sectarian mobs" for 40 years, but was actually an active protagonist with a lot to come clean over? When he does that, maybe then I'll start to be more welcoming to her majesty.

P.S. Eamon, someone feeling that Britain has to come clean before she is welcome in Croke Park doesn't mean that person "just hates brits". Maybe that person is still suffering the pain of the actions of british troops and feels they are being ignored by those who are in a rush to seem "mature" and "moving on".

Just in case people are a little confused its not the UAA (Ulster Athletic Association).

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:15:57 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:03:52 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Maybe it'd be better if people like young McAnespie (yes, I know who he was thank you very much) didn't get shot anymore as a result of hostility and hatred between the people of Ireland and Britain. Had that thought never occurred to you?

A young GAA fella has just been buried because of a group of knuckle-dragging neanderthals are so full of hatred that they still can't let bygones be bygones and still can't let the past go. Surely to Christ we've learned our lesson by now.

and your advice to his family and those who are angry and upset about it would be to "move on" would it?
Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker.

+1
Maybe the people who have a problem with her visiting Croke Park would maybe have less of a problem if Britain could just apologise for it's role in recent Irish history (or even admit it had a role) rather than ignore it and pretend in some moral high horse FARCE that we should all move on and forget about the actual victims of her majesty's forces, who are the ones feeling the suffering? Aye we can just tell all those people to move on sure.

Get in line, if they start apologising, they shoud start with the people of Wexford and Waterford for 1169 then Wicklow, Kilkenny, Kildare and Dublin for 1172.

Eamonn could you address my point please.
Would you tell the family and friends of Ronan Kerr to "move on" and if not, why do you feel you can tell other victim's families to "move on"?

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:19:18 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:13:39 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Had the thought never occurred to me??!!! You think anybody wants to go back to those days? You think I don't know full well about those days? Are you saying that if someone have a problem with her visiting Croke Park before britain acknowledges it's role of the past 40 years (like all sides should) that that person therefor supports a return to violence? Get off your high horse and stop talking nonsense.

"David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

"Bloody Sunday report: David Cameron apologises for 'unjustifiable' shootings"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/15/bloody-sunday-report-saville-inquiry

"British apologize for '76 killing of Catholic girl"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nireland_british_apology

And going back beyond the last 40 years:

"Blair issues apology for Irish Potato Famine"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-issues-apology-for-irish-potato-famine-1253790.html

Your links mention apologies to 15 victims of british troops in the six counties. Do you think David Cameron will any time soon apologise for the many hundreds of other victims of state collusion? Do you think he will soon be releasing a statement to accept that Britain was not infact a "referee" or "peacemaker" between two "sectarian mobs" for 40 years, but was actually an active protagonist with a lot to come clean over? When he does that, maybe then I'll start to be more welcoming to her majesty.

Sounds to me like they've been quite busy apologising lately. Your shopping list of apologies might be a bit longer though, and I hope you won't add something to it once it's all fulfilled.

When someone apologises, it's customary to accept the apology and give credit where it's due, not dismiss it like you just did and issue a demand for another apology about something else. I think it would be a lot more meaningful if it came from them without prompting. And how do you know she's not going to issue an apology while she's over on her visit? I'd be surprised if she didn't.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I'm against the Queen's visit to the 26 counties. Not because I think she should apologise. If I were her, I wouldn't apologise for anything. I think she's led her own people well, and good luck to her. The problem is with us in the Irish republic (the Six Counties thing is separate and I won't make a fool of myself by trying to figure that out. I don't like being partitionist but this one gives me no option. Sorry boys).

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

This is the problem. It is a big deal, and bigger it'll get. We keep saying that we've moved on. If we'd moved on, we wouldn't keep talking about it. Who was the last head of state to visit Ireland?

I haven't a bog. And I don't know who the next is either. All I know about is the Queen of England and Obama.

For Obama, I'd say it's just like an appearance on Jay Leno or Letterman. For her Majesty, I have no idea what's in it for her. Reassurance for the many British businesses that rely on the Irish economy, maybe. They're not helping bail us out to be sound.

For us though. What do we get from the Queen's visit? We'd only have moved on if we stood in likewise stature internationally with the British state. But we don't. We're a banana republic, and the evidence is all around. We've lost everything, we're dead broke, and Moriarty has proven once and for all that we're deeply and profoundly corrupt in our politics.

How do we respond to this? Fawning over our former sovereign, and hoping that she'll like us.

It's sickening and humiliating and I want no part of it.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general term. 

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:26:13 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:19:18 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:13:39 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Had the thought never occurred to me??!!! You think anybody wants to go back to those days? You think I don't know full well about those days? Are you saying that if someone have a problem with her visiting Croke Park before britain acknowledges it's role of the past 40 years (like all sides should) that that person therefor supports a return to violence? Get off your high horse and stop talking nonsense.

"David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12992540

"Bloody Sunday report: David Cameron apologises for 'unjustifiable' shootings"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/15/bloody-sunday-report-saville-inquiry

"British apologize for '76 killing of Catholic girl"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nireland_british_apology

And going back beyond the last 40 years:

"Blair issues apology for Irish Potato Famine"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-issues-apology-for-irish-potato-famine-1253790.html

Your links mention apologies to 15 victims of british troops in the six counties. Do you think David Cameron will any time soon apologise for the many hundreds of other victims of state collusion? Do you think he will soon be releasing a statement to accept that Britain was not infact a "referee" or "peacemaker" between two "sectarian mobs" for 40 years, but was actually an active protagonist with a lot to come clean over? When he does that, maybe then I'll start to be more welcoming to her majesty.

Sounds to me like they've been quite busy apologising lately. Your shopping list of apologies might be a bit longer though, and I'm sure you'll manage to add something to it once it's all fulfilled.

When someone apologises, it's customary to accept the apology and give credit where it's due, not dismiss it like you just did and issue a demand for another apology about something else. I think it would be a lot more meaningful if it came from them without prompting. And how do you know she's not going to issue an apology while she's over on her visit? I'd be surprised if she didn't.

So britain apologises for 15 murders so it would be bad manners to ask them to apologise for the other God Knows how many hundreds of others over the last forty years? Gotcha.

QEII is going to stand in Croke Park and admit that it was involved in widespread state murder of her "own subjects" and that Britain was not the peacekeeper it claimed to be? Gotcha.

And we should all move on a be moral high grounders and the families of victims of her forces can be lectured from posers across the board that they need to "move on"? Gotcha.

As far as I am concerned, her visit will be a day for all the posers and pricks to stand around telling eachother how mature and forward thinking they all are, while in homes across Tyrone and neighbouring counties, the victims of her forces will be listening to these posers telling them that they are "dinosaurs" and are "living in the past". Sickening.

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 07, 2011, 11:30:16 PM
I'm against the Queen's visit to the 26 counties. Not because I think she should apologise. If I were her, I wouldn't apologise for anything. I think she's led her own people well, and good luck to her. The problem is with us in the Irish republic (the Six Counties thing is separate and I won't make a fool of myself by trying to figure that out. I don't like being partitionist but this one gives me no option. Sorry boys).

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

This is the problem. It is a big deal, and bigger it'll get. We keep saying that we've moved on. If we'd moved on, we wouldn't keep talking about it. Who was the last head of state to visit Ireland?

I haven't a bog. And I don't know who the next is either. All I know about is the Queen of England and Obama.

For Obama, I'd say it's just like an appearance on Jay Leno or Letterman. For her Majesty, I have no idea what's in it for her. Reassurance for the many British businesses that rely on the Irish economy, maybe. They're not helping bail us out to be sound.

For us though. What do we get from the Queen's visit? We'd only have moved on if we stood in likewise stature internationally with the British state. But we don't. We're a banana republic, and the evidence is all around. We've lost everything, we're dead broke, and Moriarty has proven once and for all that we're deeply and profoundly corrupt in our politics.

How do we respond to this? Fawning over our former sovereign, and hoping that she'll like us.

It's sickening and humiliating and I want no part of it.

If you think that now wait till you see the tubes waving little union jacks (it will happen)

Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this dickhead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general term.

Yes you were. You said "Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker."

Care to retract?

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:36:35 PM

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 07, 2011, 11:30:16 PM
I'm against the Queen's visit to the 26 counties. Not because I think she should apologise. If I were her, I wouldn't apologise for anything. I think she's led her own people well, and good luck to her. The problem is with us in the Irish republic (the Six Counties thing is separate and I won't make a fool of myself by trying to figure that out. I don't like being partitionist but this one gives me no option. Sorry boys).

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

This is the problem. It is a big deal, and bigger it'll get. We keep saying that we've moved on. If we'd moved on, we wouldn't keep talking about it. Who was the last head of state to visit Ireland?

I haven't a bog. And I don't know who the next is either. All I know about is the Queen of England and Obama.

For Obama, I'd say it's just like an appearance on Jay Leno or Letterman. For her Majesty, I have no idea what's in it for her. Reassurance for the many British businesses that rely on the Irish economy, maybe. They're not helping bail us out to be sound.

For us though. What do we get from the Queen's visit? We'd only have moved on if we stood in likewise stature internationally with the British state. But we don't. We're a banana republic, and the evidence is all around. We've lost everything, we're dead broke, and Moriarty has proven once and for all that we're deeply and profoundly corrupt in our politics.

How do we respond to this? Fawning over our former sovereign, and hoping that she'll like us.

It's sickening and humiliating and I want no part of it.

If you think that now wait till you see the tubes waving little union jacks (it will happen)

I can honestly say if i see that it will hurt me, i hope your wrong, them clowns who would wave dont even know what the fcking flag stands for either..

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns (sic) replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined (sic) to vote fine gael since birth and with there (sic) pro british (sic) agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im (sic) concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british (sic) imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt (sic) be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent (sic) got a problem with british (sic) people or there (sic) country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve (sic) matured ffs?

Who was brainwashed into voting FG since birth?

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general term.

Yes you were. You said "Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker."

Care to retract?

There's loads of jumped up pricks sitting in the USA you know.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG thing into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feel, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 07, 2011, 11:30:16 PM
If I were her, I wouldn't apologise for anything. I think she's led her own people well, and good luck to her.

How the feck has she led anything, ever, at any time?

I abhor this importance people place on a family with no power whatsoever. The Irish seem to buy into it.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:43:01 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:36:35 PM

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 07, 2011, 11:30:16 PM
I'm against the Queen's visit to the 26 counties. Not because I think she should apologise. If I were her, I wouldn't apologise for anything. I think she's led her own people well, and good luck to her. The problem is with us in the Irish republic (the Six Counties thing is separate and I won't make a fool of myself by trying to figure that out. I don't like being partitionist but this one gives me no option. Sorry boys).

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

This is the problem. It is a big deal, and bigger it'll get. We keep saying that we've moved on. If we'd moved on, we wouldn't keep talking about it. Who was the last head of state to visit Ireland?

I haven't a bog. And I don't know who the next is either. All I know about is the Queen of England and Obama.

For Obama, I'd say it's just like an appearance on Jay Leno or Letterman. For her Majesty, I have no idea what's in it for her. Reassurance for the many British businesses that rely on the Irish economy, maybe. They're not helping bail us out to be sound.

For us though. What do we get from the Queen's visit? We'd only have moved on if we stood in likewise stature internationally with the British state. But we don't. We're a banana republic, and the evidence is all around. We've lost everything, we're dead broke, and Moriarty has proven once and for all that we're deeply and profoundly corrupt in our politics.

How do we respond to this? Fawning over our former sovereign, and hoping that she'll like us.

It's sickening and humiliating and I want no part of it.

If you think that now wait till you see the tubes waving little union jacks (it will happen)

I can honestly say if i see that it will hurt me, i hope your wrong, them clowns who would wave dont even know what the fcking flag stands for either..

I won't be waving it in case you try to cast aspersions. The flag is the St.George's Cross representing England/Wales/Cornwall/Berwick, The St.Andrew's Cross representing Scotland and the St.Patrick's Cross representing Ireland/Northern Ireland.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:45:55 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general term.

Yes you were. You said "Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker."

Care to retract?

There's loads of jumped up pricks sitting in the USA you know.

And in Ulster.

I wouldnt be against her visiting.

What I am against would be any pampering or changing of the museum etc so it would not offend M'am. I would like to think that m'am is told in no uncertain terms the history behind the name of the Hogan Stand.

Then I would hope she would offer an opinion on the time when 30 of her subjects played each other in an all-ireland final. And how Jordan robbed us of that second all-ireland.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
I won't be waving it in case you try to cast aspersions. The flag is the St.George's Cross representing England/Wales/Cornwall/Berwick, The St.Andrew's Cross representing Scotland and the St.Patrick's Cross representing Ireland/Northern Ireland.

A wee tip for you, the short-hand for that is: Ireland!

There was no such thing as partition when the imperial geniuses as were dreamed up the 'union jack' (your blueshirtedness is showing again  ;) ).

Quote from: Orior on April 07, 2011, 11:52:57 PM
I wouldnt be against her visiting.

What I am against would be any pampering or changing of the museum etc so it would not offend M'am. I would like to think that m'am is told in no uncertain terms the history behind the name of the Hogan Stand.

Then I would hope she would offer an opinion on the time when 30 of her subjects played each other in an all-ireland final. And how Jordan robbed us of that second all-ireland.

+1

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:45:55 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 07, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Eamonn could you address my point please.

Only if you promise to calm down and delete that "jumped up little p***" remark (which I've actually reported as a violation of this site's ToS).

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general term.

Yes you were. You said "Most people will want to "move on" but it will take time, it will take some longer than others but some jumped up p***k sitting in the USA telling them to do so won't make it happen any quicker."

Care to retract?

There's loads of jumped up pricks sitting in the USA you know.

Suit yourself. If you can't discuss it like an adult then don't come to me asking for answers to your questions.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 07, 2011, 11:53:49 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
I won't be waving it in case you try to cast aspersions. The flag is the St.George's Cross representing England/Wales/Cornwall/Berwick, The St.Andrew's Cross representing Scotland and the St.Patrick's Cross representing Ireland/Northern Ireland.

A wee tip for you, the short-hand for that is: Ireland!

There was no such thing as partition when the imperial geniuses as were dreamed up the 'union jack' (your blueshirtedness is showing again  ;) ).

I put in its original meaning and what it represents now. My what!!!  :P I think you are only slagging so I'll let it fly.

Don't mention the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

What are 'jumped up' pricks?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park.

Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
What are 'jumped up' pricks?

Erect ones on trampolines.

Pity Wacko never made it to the Cusack.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:57:11 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park.

Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

I never claimed to be mature or even trying to look that way. The British Army has occupied Ireland in the past, it does not do so today, we have all agreed to that by the vote of the people of Ireland in the North & the Republic.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

The Troubles are over. Didn't you get the memo?

Can we please form an orderly queue for OBEs.

Mayogodhelpus, stop pushing your way up to the front  :(

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:05:18 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park.

Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

I never claimed to be mature or even trying to look that way. The British Army has occupied Ireland in the past, it does not do so today, we have all agreed to that by the vote of the people of Ireland in the North & the Republic.

Therefor her army's victims are just wrong to feel that this visit is premature and that her army should come clean on it's past first? And that anyone who supports the families in this view is a "brit hater" and a "dinosaur" who "won't move on"?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:57:11 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

Quote from: Orior on April 08, 2011, 12:06:01 AM
Can we please form an orderly queue for OBEs.

Mayogodhelpus, stop pushing your way up to the front  :(

I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:09:37 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:57:11 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:11:21 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:09:37 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:57:11 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Then your statement on this is the same as ANY OTHER MONARCH VISITING us is the stupid remark... you said it.

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Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

The Troubles are over. Didn't you get the memo?

So the views of the victims don't matter?? No, I didn't get that memo. The victims of her army should stop feeling hurt about being told to "move on" and to "stop living in the past" and that they should stop seeking the truth from britain because there is now peace? And they are "dinosaurs" and "brit haters" for feeling hurt at the visit in May? GOTCHA.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 12:13:18 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:05:48 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

The Troubles are over. Didn't you get the memo?

So the views of the victims don't matter?? No, I didn't get that memo. The victims of her army should stop feeling hurt about being told to "move on" and to "stop living in the past" and that they should stop seeking the truth from britain because there is now peace? And they are "dinosaurs" and "brit haters" for feeling hurt at the visit in May? GOTCHA.

He'll be asking you next if you have a degree.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:13:14 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:11:21 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:09:37 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:57:11 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Then your statement on this is the same as ANY OTHER MONARCH VISITING us is the stupid remark... you said it.

One does not equate to the other, I am not asking for the Dutch or Danish monarchs for some kind of proportionaly smaller apology.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 12:13:18 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:05:48 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

The Troubles are over. Didn't you get the memo?

So the views of the victims don't matter?? No, I didn't get that memo. The victims of her army should stop feeling hurt about being told to "move on" and to "stop living in the past" and that they should stop seeking the truth from britain because there is now peace? And they are "dinosaurs" and "brit haters" for feeling hurt at the visit in May? GOTCHA.

Now I didn't really say any of that. Did I?

You know this isn't a terribly impressive technique. You take someone's comments, extrapolate a completely different and exaggerated point from it, stick a question mark on the and and add 'GOTCHA'.

Why do you feel the need to put words in the mouths of your opponents? Can you not confine yourself to addressing what people actually said?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:16:29 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:13:14 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:11:21 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:09:37 AM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Then your statement on this is the same as ANY OTHER MONARCH VISITING us is the stupid remark... you said it.

One does not equate to the other, I am not asking for the Dutch or Danish monarchs for some kind of proportionaly smaller apology.

Im not asking for a meaningless apology, because words mean fck all to me especially coming from her mouth so way to change the debate off track. Its dissappointing that you cannot see that your view is on opposites sides of coin. I dont consider you a retard or stupid but your views have been indoctrined.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:22:16 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:16:29 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 08, 2011, 12:13:14 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:11:21 AM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Then your statement on this is the same as ANY OTHER MONARCH VISITING us is the stupid remark... you said it.

One does not equate to the other, I am not asking for the Dutch or Danish monarchs for some kind of proportionaly smaller apology.

Im not asking for a meaningless apology, because words mean fck all to me especially coming from her mouth so way to change the debate off track. Its dissappointing that you cannot see that your view is on opposites sides of coin. I dont consider you a retard or stupid but your views have been indoctrined.

I dont consider you a retard or stupid but your views have been indoctrined.

Good Night.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:23:27 AM

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM
Sure you only have to look at the 2 clowns replies to the one message, 2 brainwashed children who were indoctrined to vote fine gael since birth and with there pro british agenda, why the fck are we wasting money letting this d**khead into our country, she is part of social elite that is the total opposite to equality and as far as im concerned until the day they move out of the North she is the head of british imperialism.

What Irishman wouldnt be bothered by the sensitivity of her visit or the waste of money it will be?

I havent got a problem with british people or there country, how can welcoming her with open arms be the barometer of how weve matured ffs?

This is where you are wrong Sligonian. I am NOT pro-British, I am just NOT anti-British. Are you sure its not you that is brainwashed into the cause of blood sacrifice. I am not pro-the Queen, I am opposed to Monarchy in general, but see no problem in the head of state of another European Union state and also a European Union citizen (in her own right) visiting Ireland and Croke Park. I don't see the G.A.A. as a political organisation I see it as a sporting one.

Love the way you try and throw the FG think into it as well, the party and its members have been involved in fighting for Irish Independence (wait for it, and yes it was in the past), declaring the Irish Free State, declaring the Irish Republic, founding the Irish Army and Gardaí. Its membership and supporters consider themselves nationalists and republicans (you can not make up what they feal, just because it fits your bigoted preconsceptions).

Those who disagree with you, YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT THEM.

You are full of shit, even a retard would know this isnt as simple as another monarchy visiting us, what other monarch has tryed to destroy us over 800 yrs? The spainish, french etc.. would harldy bring the same sensitivities or sensationalist progranda on how weve matured as a nation would they. The only one thats lying is you to yourself to suit your indoctrined views. Mcaleese, cooney, kenny doing this to fuel there own egos.

You are delusional or lying. Care to conact the Dutch about their involvement in Irish history. Also the Danes where actively involved in 1690. For those Irish that do not share our nationalist or republican views (as divergent as they appear to be). Many Irishmen/women of a different tradition would have seen the Royal house of Spain as a historical enemy and the the playboy decendents of the last remnants of the German Empire and Royal France too.

So you are on to the "full of shit" & "even a retard"  ::)

I am aware of other countries involvement but your not seriously suggesting they any other country had a bigger  involvement than the british are you?

No I am not, that would be CLEARLY STUPID.

Then your statement on this is the same as ANY OTHER MONARCH VISITING us is the stupid remark... you said it.

One does not equate to the other, I am not asking for the Dutch or Danish monarchs for some kind of proportionaly smaller apology.

Im not asking for a meaningless apology, because words mean fck all to me especially coming from her mouth so way to change the debate off track. Its dissappointing that you cannot see that your view is on opposites sides of coin. I dont consider you a retard or stupid but your views have been indoctrined.

I dont consider you a retard or stupid but your views have been indoctrined.

Good Night.

Is there a fcking echo in here or something :D

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:10:12 AM
I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

You live in England?  I did that for a while too. First thing I noticed about the English was they didn't give a toss about Ireland, know nothing of its history, are more interested in soap operas and football, and as soon as they find out what their ancestors had done to Ireland they're a bit horrified by it. Every opinion poll I ever saw in England showed widespread support for Irish unity. As far as they're concerned everyone in the north is a Paddy, they can't tell the difference between the catholics and the prods, they don't know what all the fighting is about and it bores them to tears every time it pollutes their news bulletins.

One fella sitting on the bus in Manchester summed it up for me. "You see Northern Ireland mate? If we had our way, we'd give it you back tomorrow."

That's why I roll my eyes at the Brit haters on here. They're like the victim of school bullying who grew up and didn't let the grudge go, but the bully himself has forgotten all about it and wants to be friends.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:10:12 AM
I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

You live in England?  I did that for a while too. First thing I noticed about the English was they didn't give a toss about Ireland, know nothing of its history, are more interested in soap operas and football, and as soon as they find out what their ancestors had done to Ireland they're a bit horrified by it. Every opinion poll I ever saw in England showed widespread support for Irish unity. As far as they're concerned everyone in the north is a Paddy, they can't tell the difference between the catholics and the prods, they don't know what all the fighting is about and it bores them to tears every time it pollutes their news bulletins.

One fella sitting on the bus in Manchester summed it up for me. "You see Northern Ireland mate? If we had our way, we'd give it you back tomorrow."

That's why I roll my eyes at the Brit haters on here. They're like the victim of school bullying who grew up and didn't let the grudge go, but the bully himself has forgotten all about it and wants to be friends.

Who are the people here who hates ordinary english people going about their life?
Name them.
and if you're finished crying you can address my earlier point.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:20:15 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 12:13:18 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:05:48 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 07, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Yes. She is just another leader. Of course. I would say if the Austrian Head of State (for instance) came to Ireland, there would not be the same debates going on though, wouldn't you say? Then again, the the Austrian Head of State isn't the head of an army which has occupied Ireland, murdered Irishmen and women for the past forty years under the guise of "keeping the peace" and then continued to lie about it and deny it's activities to this very day. Let's just all pretend the victims of her forces don't actually exist then shall we? Now, that's better. How mature are WE!!!

The Troubles are over. Didn't you get the memo?

So the views of the victims don't matter?? No, I didn't get that memo. The victims of her army should stop feeling hurt about being told to "move on" and to "stop living in the past" and that they should stop seeking the truth from britain because there is now peace? And they are "dinosaurs" and "brit haters" for feeling hurt at the visit in May? GOTCHA.

Now I didn't really say any of that. Did I?

You know this isn't a terribly impressive technique. You take someone's comments, extrapolate a completely different and exaggerated point from it, stick a question mark on the and and add 'GOTCHA'.

Why do you feel the need to put words in the mouths of your opponents? Can you not confine yourself to addressing what people actually said?

For someone who strives to come across as Mr Morally High & Mighty, you have repeatedly ignored the references to british army victims' feelings in the whole debate (which is typical among the "mature", "moving forward" queen welcoming brigade); furthermore you have dismissed them by saying that "the troubles are over" (tell that to them), and have described people who disagree with this visit as "brit haters" (despite many/most of them opposing it based on respect for those most hurt by her army). So I would think what I said in my post seems to be the gist of your arguments so far in fairness.

P.s. I'd also like you to name these users who have been "brit haters" on the board.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 12:28:57 AM
For someone who strives to come across as Mr Morally High & Mighty, you have repeatedly ignored the references to british army victims' feelings in the whole debate (which is typical among the "mature", "moving forward" queen welcoming brigade); furthermore you have dismissed them by saying that "the troubles are over" (tell that to them), and have described people who disagree with this visit as "brit haters" (despite many/most of them opposing it based on respect for those most hurt by her army). So I would think what I said in my post seems to be the gist of your arguments so far in fairness.

P.s. I'd also like you to name these users who have been "brit haters" on the board.

I would draw a difference between the knuckle-dragging chuckies who would fight with their own shadow and those who actually have a reason to be hurt.

Of course some people have hurt feelings. Of course people have lost friends and relatives and I'm sorry to hear what you said in the private message from you about that.  Do you think I didn't? Do you think people on the other side didn't lose anyone?

So people are hurt on all sides.  Now what? Do we go through life full of hatred and bitterness? Do we hold grudges that last for decades? Or do we try to move on?  It's too early you say? How long do we have to wait then? 50 more years? 60?  100?  I'm afraid it's always going to be "too soon" for some and there's always going to be some people who are going to be hurt, but we have to move on.  We have to try and normalise relations no matter how much it hurts. 

You think we're the only people in the world who have suffered?  Look at Germany and Poland. Look at the death factories that the Nazis set up in Germany and in Eastern Europe 60 odd years ago. Relations between Germany and Poland might not be the warmest, but Angela Merkel can visit Poland in 2009 and light candles of remembrance beside Lech Kaczynski to commemorate the anniversary of the war.  Poland and Germany can work together and get things done.  They might not be best of friends but it's a start.

Look at the Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda. 800,000 people slaughtered in 100 days.  And after everything that's happened they're still stuck with each other and they have to get along whether they like it or not.

Look at the plight of the blacks in South Africa under the apartheid regime. Look at the nations of Eastern Europe living at Soviet gunpoint for 40 years.  Do you think they're indulging in self pity or are they getting on with the job of building a better future for their people?

As for us, there's people in the north of Ireland who we have to convince that their future lies in a united Ireland.  We're not going to do that if we keep showing an instinctive open hostility to everything that they hold dear.  Whether we like it or not, this bizarre system of a hereditary monarchy is something that they feel strongly about in the same way that we feel about our system of a republic.  We don't have to agree with monarchy as a means of governing Ireland or any part of it (God knows I certainly don't) but if they as individuals want to retain citizenship that reflects a British identity then we should respect that in the same way that we want them to respect our identity as Irish citizens. We can't ask them to respect our traditions, aspirations and values if we don't respect theirs.

It's OK to say "I'm not British," there's no hatred involved in a statement like that. But it's not OK to say "I'm not British therefore I hate their flag and their head of state." Anybody could use personal grief to reject progress, it's a lot harder to move beyond it and make things better.

This is a sincere attempt to answer your questions.

QuoteBut it's not OK to say "I'm not British therefore I hate their flag and their head of state."

It is also OK and reasonable to say "I'm not British and I resent their occupying my country". The situation is not quite the same as Poland and Germany as the problem is not in the past but remains.

But the problem has to be advanced and things have to happen that did not happen before. Peter Robinson going to Mass is part of this and QEII visiting is another. We have to push on.

A sincere attempt it is. You are not drawing parallels in your references to Germany & Poland etc though. The conflicts you mention have been extensively dealt with by the various sides where both sides will concede that they were involved in a conflict. In Ireland, we are only emerging from a long messy conflict. The various paramilitaries have all acknowledged their roles and we are only now slowly BEGINNING to see truths emerge from them. My point all along is that the same CANNOT be said of the british army. In my view, while the british continue to claim that they were not involved in the conflict, and were merely a peace-keeper, and while they continue to withhold the truth of their dirty war from their victims, then the queen of england coming here to talk about moving on may as well be a two fingered salute to those victims of the british army. As I already said, if britain admitted it was an active protagonist in the war, apologised to it's victims and came clean on collusion, perhaps then QU2 would be more welcome. As it is, popular media, in their attempts to "move forward" are ignoring the opinions of british army victims, and portraying everyone who supports them as brit hating, dissident, dinosaurs which is grossly insulting.

Does no-one think that (as is implied either on this thread or the thread in general discussion) the only reason for her visiting Croke Park is to issue an apology?

Quote from: lfdown2 on April 08, 2011, 02:19:54 AM
Does no-one think that (as is implied either on this thread or the thread in general discussion) the only reason for her visiting Croke Park is to issue an apology?

Actions speak louder than words. She should either

a) hand back the six counties

or

b) bend over and let Kenny give her one while he sings "Who's the daddy m'am? Who's the Daddy?"

This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

I wonder will Ronan O'Gara be part of the welcoming committee...

(http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/politics/files/2009/05/queen.jpg)

Quote from: armaghniac on April 08, 2011, 01:29:58 AM
[quote
But the problem has to be advanced and things have to happen that did not happen before. Peter Robinson going to Mass is part of this and QEII visiting is another. We have to push on.

One sensible poster here !!!

If we have to wait for everyone who was hurt by Brits/RUC/IRA/UVF/INLA/UDR etc etc etc to die before we move on .......we'll never do so.

Not too sure how I'd feel to see her in Croke park tbh. I prob wouldn't be over the moon so I'll do my best to ignore it.

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 01:32:14 AM
A sincere attempt it is. You are not drawing parallels in your references to Germany & Poland etc though. The conflicts you mention have been extensively dealt with by the various sides where both sides will concede that they were involved in a conflict. In Ireland, we are only emerging from a long messy conflict. The various paramilitaries have all acknowledged their roles and we are only now slowly BEGINNING to see truths emerge from them. My point all along is that the same CANNOT be said of the british army. In my view, while the british continue to claim that they were not involved in the conflict, and were merely a peace-keeper, and while they continue to withhold the truth of their dirty war from their victims, then the queen of england coming here to talk about moving on may as well be a two fingered salute to those victims of the british army. As I already said, if britain admitted it was an active protagonist in the war, apologised to it's victims and came clean on collusion, perhaps then QU2 would be more welcome. As it is, popular media, in their attempts to "move forward" are ignoring the opinions of british army victims, and portraying everyone who supports them as brit hating, dissident, dinosaurs which is grossly insulting.

I know it's hard to forget and forgive the Brits kicking in your door and laying all about them with a heavy hand. I certainly don't expect you or others who suffered in this way at their hands to lay aside the past
That has been the English way of protecting their interests back through history and I'm afraid it ain't going to change anytime soon if ever. But I've no doubt whatever that if the French took over our county, our ancestors' lot would have been any different.
The strong always bully the weak: they have, they are and they will. Also, they will never learn. The Russians couldn't conquer Afghanistan by brute force and the Americans can't do it either. The Germans, French, Spanish, Japs- the whole sodden lot of them have always put their self –interests first and never bothered about moral rights and wrongs.
HMG was, and probably still is, quite willing to kick the crap out of nationalists and unionists alike when it best suits Brits' interests.
Right now, with international interest focussed on Ireland like never before, it seems Whitehall realises the futility of trying to maintain a political and military presence in Ireland and wants to get shut of the whole effin' lot of us and that includes the gents who ponce about in bowler hats and orange sashes.
They want peace and co-operation between both islands because they see no benefit in doing otherwise, hence their lovey, dovey approach to Ireland, north and south. That could change, but for the present, it's better than their policies of the past.
It has never been the Brits' way for the monarch to apologise about anything. I don't see Liz saying she is sorry for anything that happened in the north in recent times. But HMG, through her Prime Minister, did apologise for the actions of her army o Bloody Sunday. That's their way and that is as good as we are going to get.
Sure, Tony Blair did likewise in regard to the Famine. But some of you may recall that Blair had no intention of doing this until he was told to do so. When he first was told that Bertie was asking for a British apology for what happened back then, Blair retorted that maybe Bertie should learn a bit about history. He had to be acting under orders from somewhere when he retracted his original statement.
I know her visit to Croke Park will upset many decent people but it is a symbolic visit; she knows damn well what happened there and the hurt it caused to the nationalist community.
I expect her to come out with a flowery speech all about the lot of us moving forward in a spirit of unity and peaceful co-operation and that sort of guff. That is as good as it will get.
I am a bit cynical about the real British motives for her visit but the vast majority of people here will welcome this as a sign of better things to come and I regard myself as a democrat.
If that's what the majority wants, so be it

I haven't ever seen M'am protest when anyone from south Armagh or West Kerry visits Buckingham palace.

So we shouldn't protest when M'am visits our place.

QuoteRight now, with international interest focussed on Ireland like never before, it seems Whitehall realises the futility of trying to maintain a political and military presence in Ireland and wants to get shut of the whole effin' lot of us and that includes the gents who ponce about in bowler hats and orange sashes.
They want peace and co-operation between both islands because they see no benefit in doing otherwise, hence their lovey, dovey approach to Ireland, north and south.

Exactly. It suits them to want what we want, so we should not be pragmatic rather than too fundamentalist about things.Even if it does stick in the craw, sometimes.

Sorry for asking a silly question but is that Drico holding his mouth behind her ladyship

Will she be welcomed at the Garden of Remembrance?

The sooner this is over the better.

I think it is extremely difficult for people who have not experienced it at first hand to understand what exactly was done against members of the GAA in the north by the security forces(and by extension through collusion, the loyalist paramilitaries) over a sustained period of time.  Of course we all have to move on but that doesn't mean we simply bury our feelings and accept it without speaking out.  I don't know how much Eamonnca(who if I recall rightly has been in the states for 30 odd years) or maygodhelpus etc know what actually did happen, but what they know is based on News reports and anecdotal stories.  Many people sat at Congress over the years and rightly condemned what happened at my own club, but did they really understand what we had to deal with.  They heard about club rooms being burnt up the Ards peninsula and places like that but did they appreciate they total sense of  destruction that these clubs felt after their years of hard work had been destroyed.  The families of Aidan McAnespie, Sean Browne etc?  Are their murders still not fresh in their minds? 

I could go on, I could really make people aware of why there is an expected level of anger at this happening.  I personally believe that it would be easier to swallow if there was some form of pre released statement about the intentions of the Royal family when they are there, with a clear indication that an apology would be made.  We are in a very seminal decade in the history of our island and also the history of the world as a whole.  The Decade of Anniversaries it is being called and perhaps this is part of the way to paving other events that will coincide with some of these anniversaries.  I wait to be convinced.

Good post bc. If there's no apology I hope she is kicked all the way back up Jones Road.

In 1982 (I forget the exact date but it was about May/June time) a member of the then RUC removed four hurls, two sliothars and amazingly a pair of shorts from the boot of my brother's car as we made our way to training.  They were never returned.  Should I

a)  Get over it and move on as it was a very long time ago (I can guarantee the shorts will no longer fit)

b)  Assume the PSNI has moved on just as the GAA has

c)  Hope the Queen apologises

d)  Protest against her visit to Croke Park

e)  Spend less time on the board

here's one for ya's

Cork footballers won the all-ireland last year, the great rebel (symbolic eh) county, yet their followers, GAA fans and members were not allowed onto the hallowed turf to celebrate with their heroes (partitioned if you will from the green field), yet here comes the boul Lizzy and she'll get a complimentary tour and no doubt tr**p all over the sod - Discuss.

Quote from: AQMP on April 08, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
In 1982 (I forget the exact date but it was about May/June time) a member of the then RUC removed four hurls, two sliothars and amazingly a pair of shorts from the boot of my brother's car as we made our way to training.  They were never returned.  Should I

a)  Get over it and move on as it was a very long time ago (I can guarantee the shorts will no longer fit)

b)  Assume the PSNI has moved on just as the GAA has

c)  Hope the Queen apologises

d)  Protest against her visit to Croke Park

e)  Spend less time on the board

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 11:26:58 AM

Quote from: AQMP on April 08, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
In 1982 (I forget the exact date but it was about May/June time) a member of the then RUC removed four hurls, two sliothars and amazingly a pair of shorts from the boot of my brother's car as we made our way to training.  They were never returned.  Should I

a)  Get over it and move on as it was a very long time ago (I can guarantee the shorts will no longer fit)

b)  Assume the PSNI has moved on just as the GAA has

c)  Hope the Queen apologises

d)  Protest against her visit to Croke Park

e)  Spend less time on the board

Is the right answer!

Quote from: AQMP on April 08, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
In 1982 (I forget the exact date but it was about May/June time) a member of the then RUC removed four hurls, two sliothars and amazingly a pair of shorts from the boot of my brother's car as we made our way to training.  They were never returned.  Should I

a)  Get over it and move on as it was a very long time ago (I can guarantee the shorts will no longer fit)

b)  Assume the PSNI has moved on just as the GAA has

c)  Hope the Queen apologises

d)  Protest against her visit to Croke Park

e)  Spend less time on the board

I'll bet you were more than happy to spend the compensation from the British government on 50 new gold plated hurls, 18 diamond encrusted sliotars and 14 pairs of (admittedly much larger) shorts. With equipment such as that you were probably able to poach players from smaller neighbouring clubs.

Quote from: Banana Man on April 08, 2011, 11:26:15 AM
here's one for ya's

Cork footballers won the all-ireland last year, the great rebel (symbolic eh) county, yet their followers, GAA fans and members were not allowed onto the hallowed turf to celebrate with their heroes (partitioned if you will from the green field), yet here comes the boul Lizzy and she'll get a complimentary tour and no doubt tr**p all over the sod - Discuss.

Not the issue or even close to it I'd guess.

But I do hope she isn't allowed to walk the corgis on the field and them shit all over the place!

On a side issue, maybe it has been discussed previous, but the queens money has been used by many clubs in the north and a massive amount will now be used to redevelop Casement. Is it right that her money is welcomed but she isn't - Discuss.

My opinion is that it isn't her money but thats been very simplistic.

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

When is the last time she was in the 26 counties?

Quote from: EC Unique on April 08, 2011, 12:35:55 PM

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

When is the last time she was in the 26 counties?

I think her dearly departed sister (who liked the bottle) used to frequent Dublin, until it got too dangerous.

Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 08, 2011, 12:26:24 PM

Quote from: AQMP on April 08, 2011, 11:24:46 AM
In 1982 (I forget the exact date but it was about May/June time) a member of the then RUC removed four hurls, two sliothars and amazingly a pair of shorts from the boot of my brother's car as we made our way to training.  They were never returned.  Should I

a)  Get over it and move on as it was a very long time ago (I can guarantee the shorts will no longer fit)

b)  Assume the PSNI has moved on just as the GAA has

c)  Hope the Queen apologises

d)  Protest against her visit to Croke Park

e)  Spend less time on the board

I'll bet you were more than happy to spend the compensation from the British government on 50 new gold plated hurls, 18 diamond encrusted sliotars and 14 pairs of (admittedly much larger) shorts. With equipment such as that you were probably able to poach players from smaller neighbouring clubs.

The thing is SS2, those young bloody ingrates around the club now have little idea what I (and my departed shorts) went through so that they would be free to enjoy the Queen visiting Croke Park!

Quote from: gerry on April 07, 2011, 05:55:03 PM
Its a fecking disgrace it was bad enough with gstq being played a few years back. What next will the gaa do for a few cents.

I bet they are not even charging her in!!!

Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 08, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
Not too sure how I'd feel to see her in Croke park tbh. I prob wouldn't be over the moon so I'll do my best to ignore it.

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

+1

Quote from: EC Unique on April 08, 2011, 12:35:55 PM

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

When is the last time she was in the 26 counties?

26 or 6 what is the difference, it is still Ireland (in the eyes of most Irish people).

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
I think it is extremely difficult for people who have not experienced it at first hand to understand what exactly was done against members of the GAA in the north by the security forces(and by extension through collusion, the loyalist paramilitaries) over a sustained period of time.  Of course we all have to move on but that doesn't mean we simply bury our feelings and accept it without speaking out.  I don't know how much Eamonnca(who if I recall rightly has been in the states for 30 odd years) or maygodhelpus etc know what actually did happen, but what they know is based on News reports and anecdotal stories.  Many people sat at Congress over the years and rightly condemned what happened at my own club, but did they really understand what we had to deal with.  They heard about club rooms being burnt up the Ards peninsula and places like that but did they appreciate they total sense of  destruction that these clubs felt after their years of hard work had been destroyed.  The families of Aidan McAnespie, Sean Browne etc?  Are their murders still not fresh in their minds? 

I could go on, I could really make people aware of why there is an expected level of anger at this happening.  I personally believe that it would be easier to swallow if there was some form of pre released statement about the intentions of the Royal family when they are there, with a clear indication that an apology would be made.  We are in a very seminal decade in the history of our island and also the history of the world as a whole.  The Decade of Anniversaries it is being called and perhaps this is part of the way to paving other events that will coincide with some of these anniversaries.  I wait to be convinced.

This best articulates any argument against her visit and raises some very good points.

IMHO most of the rest of the arguments on these thread are just more of the whataboutery that we do better than anyone, Palestinians or Israelis, Islamic Fundamentalists or the West, Chechens or Russians, cats or dogs.

Another thing we do better than all of the above is show signs of moving on from the endless wars and casualties on both side, all of whom are convinced they have absolute right on their side. Since the ceasefires a hell of a lot of ground has been made, I think we should give the organisers at least the benefit of the doubt to see exactly what they have in mind. I will be disappointed if she doesn't attempt some reconciliation though.

Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2011, 02:48:10 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
I think it is extremely difficult for people who have not experienced it at first hand to understand what exactly was done against members of the GAA in the north by the security forces(and by extension through collusion, the loyalist paramilitaries) over a sustained period of time.  Of course we all have to move on but that doesn't mean we simply bury our feelings and accept it without speaking out.  I don't know how much Eamonnca(who if I recall rightly has been in the states for 30 odd years) or maygodhelpus etc know what actually did happen, but what they know is based on News reports and anecdotal stories.  Many people sat at Congress over the years and rightly condemned what happened at my own club, but did they really understand what we had to deal with.  They heard about club rooms being burnt up the Ards peninsula and places like that but did they appreciate they total sense of  destruction that these clubs felt after their years of hard work had been destroyed.  The families of Aidan McAnespie, Sean Browne etc?  Are their murders still not fresh in their minds? 

I could go on, I could really make people aware of why there is an expected level of anger at this happening.  I personally believe that it would be easier to swallow if there was some form of pre released statement about the intentions of the Royal family when they are there, with a clear indication that an apology would be made.  We are in a very seminal decade in the history of our island and also the history of the world as a whole.  The Decade of Anniversaries it is being called and perhaps this is part of the way to paving other events that will coincide with some of these anniversaries.  I wait to be convinced.

This best articulates any argument against her visit and raises some very good points.

IMHO most of the rest of the arguments on these thread are just more of the whataboutery that we do better than anyone, Palestinians or Israelis, Islamic Fundamentalists or the West, Chechens or Russians, cats or dogs.

Another thing we do better than all of the above is show signs of moving on from the endless wars and casualties on both side, all of whom are convinced they have absolute right on their side. Since the ceasefires a hell of a lot of ground has been made, I think we should give the organisers at least the benefit of the doubt to see exactly what they have in mind. I will be disappointed if she doesn't attempt some reconciliation though.

I'm deeply disappointed that Muppet has made a serious post. Free the Real Muppet One now!

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 01:59:56 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on April 08, 2011, 12:35:55 PM

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

When is the last time she was in the 26 counties?

26 or 6 what is the difference, it is still Ireland (in the eyes of most Irish people).

Mmm. nice bit of back tracking there.

Quote from: Orior on April 08, 2011, 02:54:50 PM
I'm deeply disappointed that Muppet has made a serious post. Free the Real Muppet One now!

I apologise.

If an 80 year old with an obvious fetish for 83,000 seater stadia, wants me to show her mine what is wrong with that?

Quote from: EC Unique on April 08, 2011, 03:09:34 PM

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 01:59:56 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on April 08, 2011, 12:35:55 PM

Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 08, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
This is the first time I have seen such a fast growing thread on the board about a British royal visit to Ireland. She and members of her family have been to Ireland many a time.

Why the uproar now and not the previous times?
Is it because she is visiting your part of Ireland?
Are you a partition protester?
For me republicans usually don't pay heed to the border. 
It seems to me, a lot of ye do.

When is the last time she was in the 26 counties?

26 or 6 what is the difference, it is still Ireland (in the eyes of most Irish people).

Mmm. nice bit of back tracking there.

No back tracking at all. I said Ireland in my first post.
I also asked were posters "partition protester" meaning were they only doing it because she is going to the 26 and why not when she came to the north in the past.

Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 08, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

I've never jumped all over it referring to Sinn Fein's history in my life.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
I am quite impressed with the GAA administrations ability to wind up the Nordies. They take it to a whole new level  ;D

Not all "Nordies" are wound up just as not all "Freestaters" will welcome Liz. I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker. It also offers the hand of friendship to those Irishmen North and South who hold her in high esteem.

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker.

Jaysus I am sick of hearing that line. It would also be a sign of maturity to stand up for the dignity of the families of the victims of the British Army who will be hurting most when this visit happens and who would like to hear the british army come clean before it's head comes to Ireland to lecture about moving forward.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 06:28:04 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker.

Jaysus I am sick of hearing that line. It would also be a sign of maturity to stand up for the dignity of the families of the victims of the British Army who will be hurting most when this visit happens and who would like to hear the british army come clean before it's head comes to Ireland to lecture about moving forward.

She is a figure head ffs, the British Primeminister and Parliament have called the shots for hundreds of years.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 06:17:47 PM

Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 08, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

I've never jumped all over it referring to Sinn Fein's history in my life.

Ok. Just as well I wasn't referring to you.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:21:23 PM
Just in case people are a little confused its not the UAA (Ulster Athletic Association).

Get over your self, no one said it was.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
I don't know how much Eamonnca(who if I recall rightly has been in the states for 30 odd years) or maygodhelpus etc know what actually did happen, but what they know is based on News reports and anecdotal stories.

I've been in the states for 10 years. I lived in North Armagh throughout the troubles, away out in the country where the cops never venture out after dark and seldom in the daytime. Me and my Dad were early risers because of the jobs we had. He'd check under the lorry with a torch in the morning before leaving the house and take a different road to work (which was in Potadown, Billy Wright country) every morning in case we were going to be targetted like a neighbour of ours called Brendan McKenna who was shot dead in his lorry early in the morning by the UFF.

There was this wee loyalist dick that worked at our company who was kicked out of Belfast after getting kneecapped.  He had a loose tongue on him and made throwaway remarks about my Dad being in Sinn Fein, which wasn't true.  All my Dad did in his spare time was organise ceilis, but as far as people like that are concerned it's probably all the same. We reported him to our employer and he was made to apologise for the remark, it's the kind of dangerous talk that can get a man shot.  My Dad was literally afraid for his life as long as that little shit worked there. We were all afraid.

Going back further, my Dad did his deliveries in Belfast from the 60s to the 90s.  You know what that means. The early days of the troubles, the hunger strikes, all the way up to the ceasefires he was delivering to shops on the Falls, in Andytown, up the Whiterock, etc. He had his van hijacked a couple of times. Was held at gunpoint by the provos and tied up, told to be quiet or be shot while they planned to load his van with explosives.  There was one time when he had his van hijacked by rioters who were going to burn it and he was stranded in Belfast with no way of getting home safely. He went up to one of the 'head boys' and asked for his van back. They let him have it back.

In later years I'd go and help him at the weekends and I got a summer job working for the same company. I used to do runs that would take me across the Falls and the Shankill. If I had anyone with me he'd have to call me my own name on the Falls and a made-up name on the Shankill. You'd be like Daniel in the lion's den working in some of them places with a fenian name.

We'd watch the news every night about how another innocent catholic was shot by loyalists bursting into their home with sledgehammers and shooting them dead in their beds. There were nights when I'd hear noises outside in the yard and you'd try to reassure yourself that it's just the wind, but it was always at the back of your mind that you might be next. We had some robust doors on our house, the heaviest mahogany we could get and four steel bars on each door.  We even seriously talked about getting a shotgun for self defence once.

During the time of the World Cup my brothers and I would go to bars to watch the games and we always sat as far away from the door as we could just in case someone was about to pull another Loughinisland.  Yup, that thought was always at the back of your mind.

I'm well aware of what went on, thank you very much. More so that a lot of the free staters posting on this thread, if you don't mind me saying so.

Some people might prefer to keep the hatred and bitterness going, but personally I think there are better ways to live. And I won't be told that I'm not qualified to comment on it just because of my current location.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 06:30:00 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 06:28:04 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker.

Jaysus I am sick of hearing that line. It would also be a sign of maturity to stand up for the dignity of the families of the victims of the British Army who will be hurting most when this visit happens and who would like to hear the british army come clean before it's head comes to Ireland to lecture about moving forward.

She is a figure head ffs, the British Primeminister and Parliament have called the shots for hundreds of years.

Tel than to her army's victims Mayo. I think they would tell you that she would then be the ideal person to speak on her army's behalf to admit that they were not "peace makers" or "referees" and that they would be coming clean on collusion.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:55:44 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 07, 2011, 11:53:49 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
I won't be waving it in case you try to cast aspersions. The flag is the St.George's Cross representing England/Wales/Cornwall/Berwick, The St.Andrew's Cross representing Scotland and the St.Patrick's Cross representing Ireland/Northern Ireland.

A wee tip for you, the short-hand for that is: Ireland!

There was no such thing as partition when the imperial geniuses as were dreamed up the 'union jack' (your blueshirtedness is showing again  ;) ).

I put in its original meaning and what it represents now. My what!!!  :P I think you are only slagging so I'll let it fly.

A lot of you guys complained when some of us inadvertently referred to you as Freestaters yet you continue to deny our right to be Irish with your partionist attitudes.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 06:28:04 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker.

Jaysus I am sick of hearing that line. It would also be a sign of maturity to stand up for the dignity of the families of the victims of the British Army who will be hurting most when this visit happens and who would like to hear the british army come clean before it's head comes to Ireland to lecture about moving forward.

Christ it was a f88king war people died on both sides, including young McAnespie but we have to try and get over it, it was a war nobody could win, peace is imperfect but preferable to what went before.

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:45:14 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:55:44 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 07, 2011, 11:53:49 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
I won't be waving it in case you try to cast aspersions. The flag is the St.George's Cross representing England/Wales/Cornwall/Berwick, The St.Andrew's Cross representing Scotland and the St.Patrick's Cross representing Ireland/Northern Ireland.

A wee tip for you, the short-hand for that is: Ireland!

There was no such thing as partition when the imperial geniuses as were dreamed up the 'union jack' (your blueshirtedness is showing again  ;) ).

I put in its original meaning and what it represents now. My what!!!  :P I think you are only slagging so I'll let it fly.

A lot of you guys complained when some of us inadvertently referred to you as Freestaters yet you continue to deny our right to be Irish with your partionist attitudes.

Thats what it represents, it is a flag of the U.K. not one of an Irish Nationalist ideology. I answered what it represented, fck sake I fail to see you are talking about.

Eamon your narrative is very well put and very pertinent to what happened in the north, and also reflective of the sort of life that many of us led for many years. I in no way said that you weren't in a position to comment, I was under the impression that you were in the states much long her than 10 years.  The thing is though what you say has f**k all squared to do with why members of the GAA might feel ill at ease about the Queen visiting the scene of one of the worst atrocities that was dealt out during all the conflict with Britain. I directly refer to a number of incidents out of a catalogue of incidents against members of the GAA who were identifiable by their affiliation with the GAA. We could very easily turn this into a dick measuring contest about who suffered most but I have had enough of those to be honest. I want someone to stand up for the ordinary Joes of our great organisation and say "hold on, you're boys treated us like shit because of the sport we play, I think you should say something". I listened to our former 'esteemed' president on the Last Word earlier and have to say I was sickened by his attitude and also that of Matt Cooper.  The revisionism has begun and there is f**k all we can do about it.  The history that you and I lived will not be the history that is written in the history books.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 07, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Let the past be the past.  The head of state of the country next door should be able to visit without it being a big deal.

Let's not forget, there's plenty of English and Scottish children playing Gaelic games nowadays. They're as much a part of the GAA as the rest of us.  Imagine one of them being disrespectful to our head of state over something that happened 80 odd years ago (before you were even born) and you'll start to see how silly you'd look if you did likewise.

Hold on a second here! I think most people would be ok with it, and be prepared to forgive and forget..if..there was an official apology. No talk about other attrocities that may have happened, this one was simple, the INDISCRIMINATE murder of irish catholics playing their national pastime! If she apologises, then fine.

Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2011, 02:48:10 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
I think it is extremely difficult for people who have not experienced it at first hand to understand what exactly was done against members of the GAA in the north by the security forces(and by extension through collusion, the loyalist paramilitaries) over a sustained period of time.  Of course we all have to move on but that doesn't mean we simply bury our feelings and accept it without speaking out.  I don't know how much Eamonnca(who if I recall rightly has been in the states for 30 odd years) or maygodhelpus etc know what actually did happen, but what they know is based on News reports and anecdotal stories.  Many people sat at Congress over the years and rightly condemned what happened at my own club, but did they really understand what we had to deal with.  They heard about club rooms being burnt up the Ards peninsula and places like that but did they appreciate they total sense of  destruction that these clubs felt after their years of hard work had been destroyed.  The families of Aidan McAnespie, Sean Browne etc?  Are their murders still not fresh in their minds? 

I could go on, I could really make people aware of why there is an expected level of anger at this happening.  I personally believe that it would be easier to swallow if there was some form of pre released statement about the intentions of the Royal family when they are there, with a clear indication that an apology would be made.  We are in a very seminal decade in the history of our island and also the history of the world as a whole.  The Decade of Anniversaries it is being called and perhaps this is part of the way to paving other events that will coincide with some of these anniversaries.  I wait to be convinced.

This best articulates any argument against her visit and raises some very good points.

IMHO most of the rest of the arguments on these thread are just more of the whataboutery that we do better than anyone, Palestinians or Israelis, Islamic Fundamentalists or the West, Chechens or Russians, cats or dogs.

Another thing we do better than all of the above is show signs of moving on from the endless wars and casualties on both side, all of whom are convinced they have absolute right on their side. Since the ceasefires a hell of a lot of ground has been made, I think we should give the organisers at least the benefit of the doubt to see exactly what they have in mind. I will be disappointed if she doesn't attempt some reconciliation though.

I agree. Brokencrossbar and Eamon etc have experienced stuff in their day to day life that I only heard handed down via my grandparents about the tans etc. Therefore I can understand Brokencrossbars frustration about the likes of us down here telling them to "get over it". I was 50/50 about opening Croker and I'm the same about the Queen visiting etc. Whilst I agree thats its time to be open and move on I find Kelly nauseating at times as he seems to go out of his way to champion himself as a man to wants to make the GAA pleasing to all outside it at all costs. That being said it was hard to listen to O'Snodaigh on the same programme looking to apologies and suggesting war reparations etc. For me Muppet's view is the one that makes most sense. We have to trust that the organisers will have some form of wording that is an apology planned for this monarch to utter and that the entire process will be handled sensiitively for the benefit of those who have suffered most in the recent and distant past.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:10:12 AM
I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

You live in England?  I did that for a while too. First thing I noticed about the English was they didn't give a toss about Ireland, know nothing of its history, are more interested in soap operas and football, and as soon as they find out what their ancestors had done to Ireland they're a bit horrified by it. Every opinion poll I ever saw in England showed widespread support for Irish unity. As far as they're concerned everyone in the north is a Paddy, they can't tell the difference between the catholics and the prods, they don't know what all the fighting is about and it bores them to tears every time it pollutes their news bulletins.

One fella sitting on the bus in Manchester summed it up for me. "You see Northern Ireland mate? If we had our way, we'd give it you back tomorrow."That's why I roll my eyes at the Brit haters on here. They're like the victim of school bullying who grew up and didn't let the grudge go, but the bully himself has forgotten all about it and wants to be friends.

What a load  of dung eamon. If they dont care  about the north, then why DONT they give it back??

Quote from: cadhlancian on April 08, 2011, 08:07:11 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:10:12 AM
I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

You live in England?  I did that for a while too. First thing I noticed about the English was they didn't give a toss about Ireland, know nothing of its history, are more interested in soap operas and football, and as soon as they find out what their ancestors had done to Ireland they're a bit horrified by it. Every opinion poll I ever saw in England showed widespread support for Irish unity. As far as they're concerned everyone in the north is a Paddy, they can't tell the difference between the catholics and the prods, they don't know what all the fighting is about and it bores them to tears every time it pollutes their news bulletins.

One fella sitting on the bus in Manchester summed it up for me. "You see Northern Ireland mate? If we had our way, we'd give it you back tomorrow."That's why I roll my eyes at the Brit haters on here. They're like the victim of school bullying who grew up and didn't let the grudge go, but the bully himself has forgotten all about it and wants to be friends.

What a load  of dung eamon. If they dont care  about the north, then why DONT they give it back??

What a bigger load of dung cadhlancian, its NOT THEIRS to give back. Its up to the majority of the people of the North to give it back, and the majority of the Republiic to accept it. Is only the parts of the GFA agreement that suits you lads, that should be implemented.

The sad thing about this debate, is that it demonstrates the huge gulf in attitudes and experience between Nationalist residents in the six counties and their fellow citizens south of the border. While there are genuine and sincere differences in viewpoint, which are fine when expressed in a spirit of tolerance and debate, what is unacceptable is the sneering and vitriol employed by the politically correct brigade in the south. Many of them, but not all, come from the FG tradition. I would exclude people like MGHU and other posters on this board who hold a sincere view and debate fairly. As the Queens visit approaches we will witness a rise in this anti-nationalist sentiment, encouraged and fuelled by an agenda driven media. Those who have any reservations about the Queens visit or her itinerary, should bite their tongues, stay quietly at home, ignoring the whole proceedings, and not provide the PC bigots with any fuel for their bigotry and vitriol. Sadly in this benighted Republic tolerance is a one way street

Quote from: Pangurban on April 08, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
The sad thing about this debate, is that it demonstrates the huge gulf in attitudes and experience between Nationalist residents in the six counties and their fellow citizens south of the border. While there are genuine and sincere differences in viewpoint, which are fine when expressed in a spirit of tolerance and debate, what is unacceptable is the sneering and vitriol employed by the politically correct brigade in the south. Many of them, but not all, come from the FG tradition. I would exclude people like MGHU and other posters on this board who hold a sincere view and debate fairly. As the Queens visit approaches we will witness a rise in this anti-nationalist sentiment, encouraged and fuelled by an agenda driven media. Those who have any reservations about the Queens visit or her itinerary, should bite their tongues, stay quietly at home, ignoring the whole proceedings, and not provide the PC bigots with any fuel for their bigotry and vitriol. Sadly in this benighted Republic tolerance is a one way street

Let me get this right, people who don't object to the visit of the head of a state at which we were at war, are bigots?
People who don't object to the head of another tradition and religion visiting are bigots?
People who are hoping that bygones can be made bygones are bigots?

Quote from: cadhlancian on April 08, 2011, 08:07:11 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 12:10:12 AM
I wouldn't accept, I think honours are a backwards practice. Funny over here in England I find myself in debates with people who haven't a clue of British history, if you heard some of the chats!!! I would be flying back down that que asap, but sure the lads on here hate to think that there are other interpreations on nationalism, republicanism, love of your nation and views on how to unite or people and then our land. But sure if we aren't froathing at the mouth like a dog with rabies we are either unionists or some other loathsome character.

You live in England?  I did that for a while too. First thing I noticed about the English was they didn't give a toss about Ireland, know nothing of its history, are more interested in soap operas and football, and as soon as they find out what their ancestors had done to Ireland they're a bit horrified by it. Every opinion poll I ever saw in England showed widespread support for Irish unity. As far as they're concerned everyone in the north is a Paddy, they can't tell the difference between the catholics and the prods, they don't know what all the fighting is about and it bores them to tears every time it pollutes their news bulletins.

One fella sitting on the bus in Manchester summed it up for me. "You see Northern Ireland mate? If we had our way, we'd give it you back tomorrow."That's why I roll my eyes at the Brit haters on here. They're like the victim of school bullying who grew up and didn't let the grudge go, but the bully himself has forgotten all about it and wants to be friends.

What a load  of dung eamon. If they dont care  about the north, then why DONT they give it back??

Did you read the whole post? I was talking to a man on the bus. Not the Prime Minister and his whole cabinet. "Dung" indeed!

Did you read the Good Friday Agreement? We've all agreed that there'll be no handing back until the majority in the north are ready for it and the majority in the south are ready for it. That was the deal we made.

Are you incapable of reading Muppet, i clearly said that the PC Brigade who are completely intolerant of any views but their own are the bigots, are you one of them

Quote from: Pangurban on April 08, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Are you incapable of reading Muppet, i clearly said that the PC Brigade who are completely intolerant of any views but their own are the bigots, are you one of them

Inviting someone of a tradition with which one has been at war to visit would not be the typical act of a bigot.

Quote from: Applesisapples on April 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
I am quite impressed with the GAA administrations ability to wind up the Nordies. They take it to a whole new level  ;D

Not all "Nordies" are wound up just as not all "Freestaters" will welcome Liz. I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker. It also offers the hand of friendship to those Irishmen North and South who hold her in high esteem.

What a load of shit.

I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

I find it ironic that people who have voted for generations on the basis of civil war politics have the temerity to tell people who have repeated civil liberties abuses that they have to move on.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 11:12:33 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

I'm not a Hindu!!  :D

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 11:12:33 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

Yes the Catholic church tended to be an utter irrelevance in South Armagh and West Tyrone.  ::)

Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2011, 11:49:52 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 11:12:33 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

Yes the Catholic church tended to be an utter irrelevance in South Armagh and West Tyrone.  ::)

Ye didn't have Dev's little vice laws or stopped having a pint in the pub on the 25'th of December  ;) Or State sanctioned slavery.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2011, 07:35:32 PM
Eamon your narrative is very well put and very pertinent to what happened in the north, and also reflective of the sort of life that many of us led for many years. I in no way said that you weren't in a position to comment, I was under the impression that you were in the states much long her than 10 years.  The thing is though what you say has f**k all squared to do with why members of the GAA might feel ill at ease about the Queen visiting the scene of one of the worst atrocities that was dealt out during all the conflict with Britain. I directly refer to a number of incidents out of a catalogue of incidents against members of the GAA who were identifiable by their affiliation with the GAA. We could very easily turn this into a dick measuring contest about who suffered most but I have had enough of those to be honest. I want someone to stand up for the ordinary Joes of our great organisation and say "hold on, you're boys treated us like shit because of the sport we play, I think you should say something". I listened to our former 'esteemed' president on the Last Word earlier and have to say I was sickened by his attitude and also that of Matt Cooper.  The revisionism has begun and there is f**k all we can do about it.  The history that you and I lived will not be the history that is written in the history books.

You're dead right. The revisionism is going on- at it has been since the beginning of history and will be until the end of mankind. History has always been written by the winners and we in Ireland never looked like being winners when British/English/Norman/Saxon interests clashed with ours.
BTW; the Irish Establishment since the beginning of independence has been careful to push their own tainted vision of Irish history from a very narrow nationalist, Catholic viewpoint where every inefficiency on their part could be blamed on our perfidious neighbours but that's another rstory.

I don't see any change in this when HM sets one's foot on Free State soil.
I sometimes pity the poor woman; she's like a mannequin operated by remote control. She's coming because her advisors deem it is Britain's best interests to do so.
She is also going to visit Croke Park. Now, I don't need to be a West Brit to see huge significance in this. She is not coming to offer an apology to anyone or any thing- the GAA included. HM doesn't do apologies.
But she is hardly coming for the view or to hear the Artane Boys' Band. I feel that it is eminently reasonable to wait and hear what she has to say before rushing to conclusions. You or I may have good reason to feel upset at her visit but I don't think she will be bothered by what we may have to say. Do you?
I also know that large sections of the British people view the GAA, not as a "great organisation" but rather as a sectarian, bigoted ultra nationalist movement that is fundamentalist too the core.  (You can throw loads more adjectives in as well.)
I suppose a great number of your Unionist neighbours share that view but I feel things are improving in that regard. Any change is better than remaining in the trenches of the past and continuing to hurl insults across the divide.
I don't expect dramatic developments to arise out of her visit but I do expect her to refer in some oblique way to refer to the events of that Bloody Sunday in the stadium she is visiting.
I mean that every move she makes and every sentence she spakes will have been choreographed to the minutest degree and will have been discussed through diplomatic channels. I expect Enda & Co. will be fully aware of what is going to happen and the same goes for the GAA hierarchy. IMO, she can't make things any worse by her visit and she can make things better. Wrongs and injustices of the past are only felt by the losers. I imagine HM and her controllers don't give a damn either way whether we like what she has to say or not.

If petty vice laws and closure of the Pubs on the Lords Birthday is all MGHU can find to complain about, then maybe Dev was not too bad. Certainly not in the same league as Gadaffi. For Gods sake catch a grip Man, and stop crying into your English Beer. You used to be one of the sensible posters here, i rarely agreed with you, but at least you were rational,consistent and coherent, and occasionally hit the target

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 12:19:01 AM

Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2011, 11:49:52 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 11:12:33 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

Yes the Catholic church tended to be an utter irrelevance in South Armagh and West Tyrone.  ::)

Ye didn't have Dev's little vice laws or stopped having a pint in the pub on the 25'th of December  ;) Or State sanctioned slavery.

God help you then. The worst we had was pub patrons gunned down. Or state sponsored murder!! (Often both together)  :-\

Quote from: Bingo on April 08, 2011, 12:32:19 PM
On a side issue, maybe it has been discussed previous, but the queens money has been used by many clubs in the north and a massive amount will now be used to redevelop Casement. Is it right that her money is welcomed but she isn't - Discuss.

My opinion is that it isn't her money but thats been very simplistic.

f**k me, another stupid comment. The queen's money? You've some clue. 

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 12:19:01 AM

Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 08, 2011, 11:49:52 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 08, 2011, 11:12:33 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
I think what Pangurban is saying is that those most eager to have the english queen in Ireland are the same people who have ZERO tolerance for those who have every reason to feel that this visit is premature. In all the debate on this board, and elsewhere, I am sick to the back teeth of hearing such opponents of the visit being condescendingly talked down to and being described as "dinosaurs" or "knuckle draggers" or even "dissidents" and "people incapable of moving on". A bit of an honest attempt at considering why a lot of people would find such a visit hurtful would be helpful. I can't see it happening though. It will just keep going on and on with the gombeens tripping over themselves trying to look "mature" by welcoming the visit. What really galls is that there are so many people who have not the first clue what life was like with daily british army harassment and yet these people feel somehow qualified to lecture those who suffered through it, that they have to move on.

You didn't know what it was like to have to live under Fianna Fáil & the stormtroopers of the Catholic Church. (By the way not saying its the same, but plenty of lectures from those who never had to put up with them).

Yes the Catholic church tended to be an utter irrelevance in South Armagh and West Tyrone.  ::)

Ye didn't have Dev's little vice laws or stopped having a pint in the pub on the 25'th of December  ;) Or State sanctioned slavery.

another indication you don't have a notion.

Whilst this is clearly a sensitive subject, is it not likely that she's going there to mark or apologise for what happened there? It would be interesting to know who initiated this, but i'd doubt the Irish diplomats were forcing the visit.

As for the general opposition, primarily coming from the SF side of the house, how does this opposition fit in with the whole 'Unionist outreach' agenda? Is such opposition not perhaps counter-productive to the principal aims of the republican agenda?

QuoteIt would be interesting to know who initiated this, but i'd doubt the Irish diplomats were forcing the visit.

I have no regard for the office of Monarch and if asked I wouldn't have proposed this visit at this time, but I have some regard for QEII herself, who attempts a responsible approach to things. It might well be possible that Liz herself thinks that she can contribute to things and wants to do so before she gets too old and one of the other plonkers in her family gets the job. She has been chatting to Mary MacAleese, someone not partitionist nor unaware of NI affairs, who also thinks this visit is helpful. While many people will see it differently, the visit to Croke Pk is not an insult to this GAA people who suffered at the hands of her troops and her admirers, it is intended an acknowledgement of these people.

I'm appalled that the GAA have issued this invitation. Since when did Croke park become a political football? They surely [i hope] didn't come up with the idea to invite QE2 on their own initiative, it must have been a the behest of the government. I was under the impression that all GAA grounds and premises were restricted from use for political purposes, cannot remember off-hand the number of the regulation, i'm sure some anorak  :D here will put it up.

I'm shocked and disappointed that other gaels and/or irishmen are on here vehemently defending this invitation. It makes me feel so disconnected with an association that i've grown up in, now i don't understand what it's supposed to stand for anymore. I manage my club team, it makes me feel like jacking it in. I don't think i'll ever be able to go to CP again if this visit goes ahead.

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 04:12:29 PM
It makes me feel so disconnected with an association that i've grown up in, now i don't understand what it's supposed to stand for anymore. I manage my club team, it makes me feel like jacking it in. I don't think i'll ever be able to go to CP again if this visit goes ahead.

The drama.  :D

Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"slow" for not understanding the context in which the word "slow" was used.

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
"slow" for not understanding the context in which the word "slow" was used.

Don't backtrack. If you are going to call people you disagree with, "slow", then have the balls to stick to your claim when they tackle you on it.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:34:50 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
"slow" for not understanding the context in which the word "slow" was used.

Don't backtrack. If you are going to call people you disagree with, "slow", then have the balls to stick to your claim when they tackle you on it.

Who's backtracking? I said "slow" in respect of not understanding the purpose of the visit to Croker, not "slow" for opposing the visit.

Nally Stand - we get your point, OK? How many times do you think you have to say the same thing?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

What do you mean extremist, where did you get that from??

I spend about 4 evenings a week at the pitch so a good bit of my life is taken up with GAA and i'm entitled to worry about whatever i want to, s'far as i know. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Quote from: Hardy on April 09, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
Nally Stand - we get your point, OK? How many times do you think you have to say the same thing?
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Discussion board.

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:51:46 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Hatemongers too then? Why can't we all just get along  :-[

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:51:46 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Hatemongers too then? Why can't we all just get along  :-[

Now that is exactly the spirit we are looking for.

IMHO we should stop saying 'NO' (or in your case 'NOT YET').

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
Why can't we all just get along  :-[

You're the one opposing something.

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:51:46 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Yous missed "jumped up p***k".

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 06:12:07 PM

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:51:46 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Yous missed "jumped up p***k".

That's the spirit.

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:57:37 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2011, 05:51:46 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Abuse directed at anyone opposed to the visit with perfectly acceptable reasons, almost all of which have so far been used on gaaboard threads already (so far):

"slow"
"extremists"
"dissidents"
"dinosaurs"
"unable to move on"
"immature"
"wound up nordies"
"fundamentalists"
"brit haters"

"west brit"
"freestater"
"dissident"
"bigot"
"PC bigot" - the funniest oxymoron I've seen
"anti-nationalist"
"Partitionist"
"dissident"

Abuse directed at those who probably don't give a fiddlers whether she comes or not but will not be bullied by those named in the quoted post.

Armaghniac your very good post is sadly lost in the sea of hatred.

Hatemongers too then? Why can't we all just get along  :-[

Now that is exactly the spirit we are looking for.

IMHO we should stop saying 'NO' (or in your case 'NOT YET').

And say YES!! To ANYTHING!!! F**K having principles!!! Yaaayyyy!!

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 06:00:36 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
Why can't we all just get along  :-[

You're the one opposing something.

And? That means I'm the one who has to be wrong then?

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 06:00:36 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
Why can't we all just get along  :-[

You're the one opposing something.

And? That means I'm the one who has to be wrong then?

I don't understand your context of 'getting along' then.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Were did this 90% come from?

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 07:02:14 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 06:00:36 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
Why can't we all just get along  :-[

You're the one opposing something.

And? That means I'm the one who has to be wrong then?

I don't understand your context of 'getting along' then.

Well, maybe if we decide to avoid using terms like "slow" to describe each other from now on? What do you reckon?

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:05:12 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Were did this 90% come from?

Pretty accurate figure I believe.
Not quite as high as the number who condemned the killing of a member of the GAA from Beragh Co.Tyrone last Saturday .. but I couldnt help notice the absence of your condemnation.

Its a deadly stadium though - i'd say she will be very impressed - 80 year old women love a big stadium.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:09:29 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:05:12 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Were did this 90% come from?

Pretty accurate figure I believe.
Not quite as high as the number who condemned the killing of a member of the GAA from Beragh Co.Tyrone last Saturday .. but I couldnt help notice the absence of your condemnation.

You picked the figure out of your hole then.

I don't consider myself important enough that I have to issue statements of condemnation on behalf of my anonymous internet username. 

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:09:29 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:05:12 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Were did this 90% come from?

Pretty accurate figure I believe.
Not quite as high as the number who condemned the killing of a member of the GAA from Beragh Co.Tyrone last Saturday .. but I couldnt help notice the absence of your condemnation.

Disgusting comment.

Truth hurts eh ?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
Truth hurts eh ?

um, what truth?

Quote from: Nally Stand on April 09, 2011, 07:31:20 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:09:29 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:05:12 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on April 09, 2011, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Aww for fcuk sake Keyser ..... you and other extremists aren't some sort of guardians of a "pure GAA" .
Get on with your life ladeen and don't be worrying about what foreign dignitaries visit Croke Park.

. I think as a GAA member i'm a part owner of CP so i think i should be worried about who gets invited to visit it.

As long as it's ok for 90% of the membership to disagree with you .
The GAA will go on whether you feel disconnected or not or whether you ever visit Croke Park again.

Were did this 90% come from?

Pretty accurate figure I believe.
Not quite as high as the number who condemned the killing of a member of the GAA from Beragh Co.Tyrone last Saturday .. but I couldnt help notice the absence of your condemnation.

Disgusting comment.

What is disgusting about it?

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:37:43 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
Truth hurts eh ?

um, what truth?

That you , as admitted by your own good self, didnt condemn the killing of a GAA member .
My mentioning it seems to have upset Nally for some reason.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 09, 2011, 07:37:43 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
Truth hurts eh ?

um, what truth?

That you , as admitted by your own good self, didnt condemn the killing of a GAA member .
My mentioning it seems to have upset Nally for some reason.

How do you know I didn't? 

Seriously, some of yiz would put childer to shame.
The man said nothin offensive. He has a point. He chose not to comment on a public internet forum, end of story. Mountain-Molehill.

I think most of us stayed away from that tragedy on this thread for good reasons.

can anyone tell me why she going to croker?  its not if she gives a feck.

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
can anyone tell me why she going to croker?

Could you take an educated guess?

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 09:51:11 PM
When she goes on to the pitch Henry Shefflin should run out and wrap a hurl around her head before going over to the camera shouting "Revenge for Martin Johnson yis English b**tards".

Maybe Sambo would be a better option to Shefflin as he has done this type of thing before.

she might get a two match ban

all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

Interesting thread. A full spectrum of views on show.
My personal two-pence worth is that she has already visited Ireland on many occasions so whoopy doo about a Dublin visit. The sensitivities regarding a Croke Park visit is a seperate matter but surely it can only improve relations with Unionists north of the border... and if a United Ireland is ever achieved it will be by convincing our Unionist neighbours that their identities are best served by a United Ireland, the green, the white and the orange, united. If the Queen visiting Croker can enhance this in a tiny way then it's a good thing. I hope Lizzy gets a good solid education whilst she is there too.

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 10:04:37 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

the gaa by inviting her to croker

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:11:24 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 10:04:37 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

the gaa by inviting her to croker

How are they bending over backwards?

Shouldn't the GAA follow the mood of the majority of the players, supporters and patrons of the organisation.

By the way I was opposed to the GAA opening Croke Park to Soccer and Rugby, not for political reasons, but because I didn't want to give up an infrastructural advantage to competing sports organisations. I seemed to get abuse from pro-opening Croke Park crowd because they kept insisting it was because I was bitter or against the Brits, when it was I didn't want to give up the GAA's competitive advantage. I was against the majority it seems and have accepted this. In fact I think I don't mind soccer and rugby in Croke Park so much, but glad they gone back across the river. I am still no to other grounds being opened, but purely because I see rugby and soccer as competitors and no other reason.

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:14:30 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:11:24 PM

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Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

the gaa by inviting her to croker

How are they bending over backwards?

i am a kind of loss as to why she has to go to croker when there is a newer stadium a few miles away

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:22:11 PM

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:14:30 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:11:24 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 10:04:37 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

the gaa by inviting her to croker

How are they bending over backwards?

i am a kind of loss as to why she has to go to croker when there is a newer stadium a few miles away

Some people aren't really getting this. Why do you think she might be going to Croke Park? Do you think it's her love of sports stadia?

Also, you never answered the question as to how the GAA are 'bending over backwards'.

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:21:08 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 10:18:28 PM
Shouldn't the GAA follow the mood of the majority of the players, supporters and patrons of the organisation.

Of course. Let's have a GAA referendum.

Would have to be limited to paid up members (which I am), patrons and other supporters would find it harder to prove a right to cast a vote.

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
Interesting thread. A full spectrum of views on show.
My personal two-pence worth is that she has already visited Ireland on many occasions so whoopy doo about a Dublin visit. The sensitivities regarding a Croke Park visit is a seperate matter but surely it can only improve relations with Unionists north of the border... and if a United Ireland is ever achieved it will be by convincing our Unionist neighbours that their identities are best served by a United Ireland, the green, the white and the orange, united. If the Queen visiting Croker can enhance this in a tiny way then it's a good thing. I hope Lizzy gets a good solid education whilst she is there too.

I'm sure she will be well briefed in advance, if not already.

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:22:11 PM

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:14:30 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:11:24 PM

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 10:04:37 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
all these bend over backward b.astards and lets move on posters on here sicking my s. h i t

Who is bending over backward? And how?

the gaa by inviting her to croker

How are they bending over backwards?

i am a kind of loss as to why she has to go to croker when there is a newer stadium a few miles away

Sorry? Are you being serious? You are really at a loss?

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

Good question. None in my opinion, but it's  only my opinion. Ah, this is a right disaster, even my sister who's not interested in politics says she hopes the queen of england gets a history lesson about the naming of the Hogan Stand. I also added my own few sentences of the Brits in the occupied 6 counties as well and Crossmaglen etc. I suppose Sean Kelly will be one of the first to greet her.  >:(

sorry but why she going to croker?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 10:25:59 PM

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:21:08 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 10:18:28 PM
Shouldn't the GAA follow the mood of the majority of the players, supporters and patrons of the organisation.

Of course. Let's have a GAA referendum.

Would have to be limited to paid up members (which I am), patrons and other supporters would find it harder to prove a right to cast a vote.

Well hard luck about the non members.

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

To check out the beautiful playing surface imported from England  ::)

QuoteSorry? Are you being serious? You are really at a loss?

is it part of the bail out agreement

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 10:35:12 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

To check out the beautiful playing surface imported from England  ::)

Really? ::)

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 09, 2011, 10:37:19 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 09, 2011, 10:35:12 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

To check out the beautiful playing surface imported from England  ::)

Really? ::)

;D

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

So which one of ck or mayogodhelpus is correct?

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

Black September 1996   :'(

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

sorry i am still at a lost

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

its going to take me a while as their is so many incidents that she fecked us over

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:41:01 PM

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

sorry i am still at a lost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5wF-E9D8Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5wF-E9D8Y)

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:47:16 PM

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

its going to take me a while as their is so many incidents that she fecked us over

Yeah, but not in 1920. Because she wasn't born then.

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:47:16 PM

Quote from: ck on April 09, 2011, 10:37:35 PM

Quote from: gerry on April 09, 2011, 10:28:57 PM
sorry but why she going to croker?

Read your history of 1920  ::)

its going to take me a while as their is so many incidents that she fecked us over

Aren't you confusing Elizabeth II with Elizabeth I  ???

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

This is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state)

Can't we all just get along lads?

You wouldimagne she will make some sort of statement when she goes to Croke park in terms of acknowledging Brithish wrongdoings in thepast but you can'tplease everyone, n matter what she does.

All thistalk of head of the British army but the royal family are a joke, a bitof a circus TBH. Did they saction goinginto Iraq?

Was the queen alive in 1920?

No one has a problem with the Britsh PM coming to Irleland so why get concerned about an uneleced figurehead?

Quote from: hardstation on April 10, 2011, 01:08:08 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 12:07:25 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

This is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state)

Didn't bother reading. Is there a bit about what would happen if there was no queen or Mary McAleese?

Read it and you'll see. It'd be a bit hard to have a state without a head of state.

Quote from: Orangemac on April 10, 2011, 12:59:24 AM
Can't we all just get along lads?

You wouldimagne she will make some sort of statement when she goes to Croke park in terms of acknowledging Brithish wrongdoings in thepast but you can'tplease everyone, n matter what she does.

All thistalk of head of the British army but the royal family are a joke, a bitof a circus TBH. Did they saction goinginto Iraq?

Was the queen alive in 1920?

No one has a problem with the Britsh PM coming to Irleland so why get concerned about an uneleced figurehead?

Are you for real?

They never invited us Royals to Croke Park but we went anyway.

Quote from: Gaffer on April 10, 2011, 08:01:15 AM

Quote from: Orangemac on April 10, 2011, 12:59:24 AM
Can't we all just get along lads?

You wouldimagne she will make some sort of statement when she goes to Croke park in terms of acknowledging Brithish wrongdoings in thepast but you can'tplease everyone, n matter what she does.

All thistalk of head of the British army but the royal family are a joke, a bitof a circus TBH. Did they saction goinginto Iraq?

Was the queen alive in 1920?

No one has a problem with the Britsh PM coming to Irleland so why get concerned about an uneleced figurehead?

Are you for real?

Gaffer, I'm coming back in here to ask you a question?
I don't do coat trailing or insult swapping with anybody so you can take it that I genuinely would like to know why you are so sceptical about her reasons for visiting Croke Park.

Just to get my reasons for asking you my question out of the way, I'd say this:
I don't really expect her to unreservedly apologise about anything. One does not do that sort of thing.
When she did apologise for the murders in Derry, she choose to do so through the head of her government, ie the Prime Minister. That's the way the Brits choose to do things and I can't see her changing tack when she comes down Jones's Road.

But she also knows the strong cultural, emotional and historical links GAA members have with this place. She can't possibly be coming to deliberately insult the whole of the GAA, north and south, and the rest of Irish nationalists as well.
Our President knows the reasons for her visit and so does our government. Christy Cooney & Co. have to know as well and, collectively, would hardly allow the visit to take place if the sole purpose of it was to stick up two fingers to the great majority of the Irish people.

I don't see any unreserved apology forthcoming for anything but I think Whitehall feels such a bridging exercise is in the interests of Britain. There will be ample time to react after she has said her piece.
Keep in mind that the invasion of Croke Park and the shooting of Michael Hogan got damn all publicity in England at the time.. The assassinations of the previous night got all the headlines.
IMO, second guessing is a futile exercise. I'd really like to hear what she has to say and I will make up mind afterwards.
Why not like her come and say her piece?

Peter Quinn on "This Week" after the news in a few minutes on the role of the GAA in reconciliation. RTÉ Radio 1.

It's looking as if there's very interesting choreography going on and impressive footwork by the Dept. of Foreign Affairs. It's a bit of a tightrope for the GAA. Of course it's wonderful if we can play a role in reconciliation, normalisation of relations, creating the future - call it what you will. But we'd need to be vigilant against being over-politicised.

Quote from: Hardy on April 10, 2011, 01:04:46 PM
Peter Quinn on "This Week" after the news in a few minutes on the role of the GAA in reconciliation. RTÉ Radio 1.

It's looking as if there's very interesting choreography going on and impressive footwork by the Dept. of Foreign Affairs. It's a bit of a tightrope for the GAA. Of course it's wonderful if we can play a role in reconciliation, normalisation of relations, creating the future - call it what you will. But we'd need to be vigilant against being over-politicised.

Ya those pro-IRA rallies up in Ulster about a year back, pretty uncool.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 04:07:59 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 10, 2011, 01:08:08 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 12:07:25 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

This is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state)

Didn't bother reading. Is there a bit about what would happen if there was no queen or Mary McAleese?

Read it and you'll see. It'd be a bit hard to have a state without a head of state.

I agree with Hardstation, they do not provide any sort of check or balance to the chambers and governments anyway and rightly so.  In USA the President is Head of State and Head of Government- there is no good reason the PM and Taoiseach couldn't straddle both roles surely.

Quote from: Rav67 on April 10, 2011, 01:23:33 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 04:07:59 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 10, 2011, 01:08:08 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 12:07:25 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

This is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state)

Didn't bother reading. Is there a bit about what would happen if there was no queen or Mary McAleese?

Read it and you'll see. It'd be a bit hard to have a state without a head of state.

I agree with Hardstation, they do not provide any sort of check or balance to the chambers and governments anyway and rightly so.  In USA the President is Head of State and Head of Government- there is no good reason the PM and Taoiseach couldn't straddle both roles surely.

Well actually we better be careful removing both the Seanad and the President, we can remove one as long as we strenghten the other. I am for getting rid of the Seanad, so we need the President IMO.

Some of Peter Quinn's statements:

- We cannot be prisoners of our past or allow that past to constrain our future.

- President McAleese is steeped in the GAA and was the first woman member of Queens GAA club. She has the interests of the GAA at heart.

- It's not a question of what the queen says. She's making a symbolic gesture. That's probably at the prompting of the president. If the President thinks this is a good thing, I trust her.

Quote from: Hardy on April 10, 2011, 01:51:34 PM
Some of Peter Quinn's statements:

- We cannot be prisoners of our past or allow that past to constrain our future.

- President McAleese is steeped in the GAA and was the first woman member of Queens GAA club. She has the interests of the GAA at heart.

- It's not a question of what the queen says. She's making a symbolic gesture. That's probably at the prompting of the president. If the President thinks this is a good thing, I trust her.

Mary Mc to become first bean-Uachtarán CLG??  :P

Quote- It's not a question of what the queen says. She's making a symbolic gesture. That's probably at the prompting of the president. If the President thinks this is a good thing, I trust her.

I think that Mary Mac's or Peter Quinn's judgement in the matter is likely to be sound. 

Quote from: Rav67 on April 10, 2011, 01:23:33 PM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 04:07:59 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 10, 2011, 01:08:08 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 10, 2011, 12:07:25 AM

Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
What's the point in a queen?

Or Mary McAleese?

This is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state)

Didn't bother reading. Is there a bit about what would happen if there was no queen or Mary McAleese?

Read it and you'll see. It'd be a bit hard to have a state without a head of state.

I agree with Hardstation, they do not provide any sort of check or balance to the chambers and governments anyway and rightly so.  In USA the President is Head of State and Head of Government- there is no good reason the PM and Taoiseach couldn't straddle both roles surely.

Who would you rather have had representing the country in a diplomatic role over the last few years? Biffo or Mary?

I think the last thing Ireland should be doing is concentrating more power in the hands of fewer people in the interests of "saving a bit of money".

And I don't know of any parliamentary system where the Prime Minister is also the head of state. Somebody has to have the final say over whether or not parliament is dissolved.

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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
I am quite impressed with the GAA administrations ability to wind up the Nordies. They take it to a whole new level  ;D

Not all "Nordies" are wound up just as not all "Freestaters" will welcome Liz. I for one think it is a sign of maturity if GAA people North and South can welcome the Queen to Croker. It also offers the hand of friendship to those Irishmen North and South who hold her in high esteem.

What a load of shit.

Why is it a load of shit? Because it offers an alternative view to your own?

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 09, 2011, 12:29:05 PM
Whilst this is clearly a sensitive subject, is it not likely that she's going there to mark or apologise for what happened there? It would be interesting to know who initiated this, but i'd doubt the Irish diplomats were forcing the visit.

As for the general opposition, primarily coming from the SF side of the house, how does this opposition fit in with the whole 'Unionist outreach' agenda? Is such opposition not perhaps counter-productive to the principal aims of the republican agenda?

Well said Maguire, I don't think SF are opposed, just not vocal in support...that will take a few more years.

Interesting article in this months Irish herald Eamnon ;) I see you like to use that term "Neanderthal , knuckledraggers at that also! Also, you say in this article that the queen is the head of state of a "friendly neighbouring country"? Since when?And to say that they apologised for various atrocities over the years is an understatement to say the very least! The great famine in ireland was genocide and had it happened in more recent times then the consequences would have been more difficult to live with. I wonder if other countries tried this approach i.e apologising for mass state murder/ genocide/ ethnic cleansing, would it would be as acceptable? Methinks not! And trust me , I saw as much as you did growing up, and while forgiveness is definetly the way forward, branding people with a "different" oppinion than your good self as being "cavemen" is wrong.

Quote from: cadhlancian on May 06, 2011, 07:40:30 PM
Interesting article in this months Irish herald Eamnon ;) I see you like to use that term "Neanderthal , knuckledraggers at that also! Also, you say in this article that the queen is the head of state of a "friendly neighbouring country"? Since when?And to say that they apologised for various atrocities over the years is an understatement to say the very least! The great famine in ireland was genocide and had it happened in more recent times then the consequences would have been more difficult to live with. I wonder if other countries tried this approach i.e apologising for mass state murder/ genocide/ ethnic cleansing, would it would be as acceptable? Methinks not! And trust me , I saw as much as you did growing up, and while forgiveness is definetly the way forward, branding people with a "different" oppinion than your good self as being "cavemen" is wrong.

I didn't say that people with a different opinion to my own are cavemen. I said that the republican fundamentalists, including the people who shot Ronan Kerr, are "knuckle-dragging neanderthals" which I happen to think is a fair enough description. Please do not misrepresent me.

To answer your questions, Anglo-Irish relations were a bit rocky during the Thatcher/Haughey years but they improved a great deal after Tony Blair took office and took a more neutral approach to fixing the problems in the north. Today I would say that Anglo-Irish relations are pretty damn good and I'd be interested in hearing any evidence that you might have to the contrary.

You don't think it would be acceptable for any other country to apologize for genocide? I'm not so sure about that.

personally i dont see what the big deal is. She is an 85 year old woman and Philip is 90 they have no power whatsoever. Let them come and enjoy their wee holiday.
i wonder will prince philip have a pop at hurling. Will Sheff be brought out to give him a demo.
What s different, the last few Prime ministers have been over loads of times and nothing is ever said and he has all the power. All the clout and control of the British Army.

It's like the euro babies vs the punt lads here.

On page one of this thread someone refers to English and scottish people playing GAA; why no one from Wales? And they refer to respect for sports.

I agree, let's show here the same respect that the captain of the English rugby team showed  2 or 3 years again, whilst in croke park.

point 2

remember that wee rule we have (we being the GAA family that is the GAA via Congress and HQ), that more or less said something like that members of the Brirish armed forces were not allowed to register and play for local clubs? Pre-historic of course, that was changed a million years ago, wasn't it? Hill 16, Hogan stand, too long ago for you?  What about slippy fingers cleaning guns and shooting players walking to matches?

Should clubs not have to vote to allow the head of the armed forces of a occupying enter OUR stadium?

The queen in croke park should not happen. Think of the history book lads later down the line, this will surley be used as a way of sayin Ireland lay down to the british empire once again. Its all about symbolism here and its wrong to have them anywhere the country never mind croke park

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/08/queen-britain-croke-park-ireland

Can the Queen win over Croke Park?

There are few more hallowed corners of Ireland than Croke Park, home of Gaelic sport and the ground where British forces slaughtered 14 people in 1920. Yet next week the Queen will visit the stadium. Leading Irish writer Fintan O'Toole charts this remarkable turnaround

Fintan O'Toole
The Observer, Sunday 8 May 2011

Jane Boyle went to the match with the boyfriend she was due to marry five days later. She died when the crowd stampeded in terror and she fell underfoot. John Scott, who was just 14, was so badly mutilated it was at first thought that he had been bayoneted to death. Thomas Ryan was kneeling down, whispering a prayer into the ears of another dying man when he was himself shot. Two little boys, one aged 10, the other 11, were among the dead.

The 14 people who were killed at Croke Park stadium in Dublin on 21 November 1920 were far from the only victims of the Troubles of 1916 to 1923 that led to the foundation of the Irish state. Indeed, 31 people in all were killed on that single day alone. Yet those killed when troops and police opened fire on the crowd at the headquarters of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) are remembered more clearly than many of the others. They died in the most traumatic of a concentrated series of violent incidents. There was another Bloody Sunday during the more recent Troubles in Northern Ireland, but this was the day for which the term was coined.

In the early morning, 14 secret agents, the core of the British Intelligence operation against the Irish Republican Army, were killed in their suburban Dublin homes by a squad organised by the IRA leader Michael Collins. In the evening, three prisoners, two of them senior IRA men, were killed by the British "while trying to escape".

But it is what happened in the afternoon that makes this month's visit by the Queen to Croke Park, the headquarters of the GAA in Dublin, so resonant. Tipperary and Dublin were playing a game of Gaelic football in front of a crowd of 5,000 people. Croke Park was surrounded by a mixed force of armed members of the Royal Irish Constabulary, regular troops and members of the Auxiliaries, an irregular force largely recruited in England and attached to the Irish police to help fight the IRA. Armoured cars blocked the exits from the grounds. The intention was that all the spectators leaving Croke Park would be searched for arms.

Military and police participants later claimed they were fired on by someone in the crowd. Whether or not this was true (and there was no independent inquiry), what happened next is broadly clear. Over the course of a few minutes, the police and Auxiliaries fired 228 shots, and an army machine gun at one of the exits fired 50 rounds. Fourteen civilians were killed, two of them trampled to death in the panic. Sixty more were injured. The secret military inquiry, which became public only in the past decade, concluded that the firing was "carried out without orders, and was indiscriminate and unjustifiable". The almost universal view among Irish nationalists was that the killings were a deliberate reprisal against unarmed civilians for the assassinations of the intelligence officers earlier in the day.

One of the victims of Bloody Sunday was the Tipperary player Michael Hogan. The Queen will meet GAA members under the Hogan Stand of the monumental new Croke Park stadium, rebuilt in the 1990s for a capacity of 82,000. That amateur sports played in just one country can fill such a stadium is extraordinary. Much more extraordinary, though, is that the stadium can now play host to a British monarch.

Even a decade ago, the idea would have been unthinkable. Now, the only official comment on it from the GAA is a discreet notice on the Croke Park website, concerning arrangements for the museum at the stadium, where the Queen will spend 45 minutes: "The GAA Museum will be closed from Saturday 14 to Wednesday 18 May inclusive." The studied pretence that nothing much is happening is itself testament to the reality that the unthinkable is coming to pass.

A century ago, if you asked a typical Irish nationalist what was distinctively Irish, they'd have listed the big forces that defined their culture: the Catholic church, nationalist politics, attachment to the land, the Irish language and the GAA. Today, almost all of those markers of identity are gone or weakened. The church may never recover from the child-abuse scandals that have destroyed its authority in the past decade. The Fianna Fáil party that captured mainstream nationalism and dominated Irish politics for half a century was decimated in February's election. Ireland has long since ceased to be a rural, agricultural society. The Irish language clings on but the aim of making it the everyday tongue is further from fulfilment than ever.

The one part of the package that still functions is the GAA, which is not merely surviving but thriving. If you want to give a foreign visitor a quick sense of something unique to Ireland, you bring them to Croke Park for a game of Gaelic football or, better still, hurling.

In spite of the glamour of professional sports such as soccer and rugby, the GAA's showpiece inter-county championships, played out over the five summer months, account for 60% of all attendances at sporting fixtures in Ireland. The vast majority of those fans also follow British football teams, such as Manchester United, Liverpool or Celtic, and many are passionate about, for example, the Munster rugby team. But the GAA touches a very different nerve. In a world where global sporting spectacles are packaged for passive consumption, the GAA appeals to something local, intimate and democratic. It doesn't just belong to Irish people, it gives them a sense of belonging.

The laureate of the GAA, Tom Humphries, captured this perfectly when he wrote: "The GAA player who performs in front of 70,000 at the weekend will be teaching your kids on Monday, or he'll be selling you meat or fixing your drains or representing you in court. The soccer player who performs in front of 70,000 people at the weekend will be moaning about too many games and trying to sell you his personalised brand of leisure wear."

The GAA evokes feelings that go so deep you can be completely unaware of them until something happens to reveal their power. The most recent revelation came in early April, when dissident republicans murdered a young policeman, Ronan Kerr, in County Tyrone. Kerr was a Catholic and a member of his local GAA club, the Beragh Red Knights. In killing him, the dissidents violated a community's sense of itself, the pride it takes in the young men and women who play on its local GAA teams.

The hero of the classic GAA novel, Charles Kickham's Knocknagow, published in 1873, is a farm labourer who goes on to the hurling field with the cry: "For the credit of the little village!" GAA players still take the field for the credit of all the little villages – not just the literal ones like Ronan Kerr's Beragh, but the psychological villages to which we cling in a globalised culture – the idea of a place, of a community, of something that is not yet owned by a TV company or a corporation.

Ronan Kerr's funeral produced an image that is in its own way even more powerful than any that will be captured at the Queen's visit to Croke Park: the pictures of his GAA team mates and the Tyrone county manager, Mickey Harte, passing his coffin from their shoulders on to those of his police colleagues. It was a picture of the dissidents' worst nightmares. The GAA was defining the police in Northern Ireland as "us" and Ronan Kerr's killers as "them". There is no other institution in Ireland, north or south, that has the authority to do this.

Kerr's funeral and the Queen's visit both point to the GAA's ability to grasp something that can be very difficult for organisations rooted in notions of tradition. Ideas of place, of community, of identity are hugely important, but they are not static. What has been remarkable about the GAA in recent years has been its capacity not just to respond to change but to create it.

The Queen's visit to Croke Park may have been planned only in recent months, but it is the culmination of a process that has been under way for more than a decade within the GAA. Very calmly and quietly, a series of the GAA's elected presidents, such as Joe McDonagh, Sean Kelly and Nickey Brennan, have set about modernising the organisation. That meant, in political terms, aligning it more closely to the mainstream of Irish nationalism, which had been disgusted by the IRA's violence and which hankered for ideas of Irish identity that were positive and open rather than embittered and embattled.

Change was driven from the Republic, but the leadership was careful not to alienate the more conservative membership in Northern Ireland. The GAA's democratic structures were a big help – the conservatives had their say and were never allowed to claim they had been railroaded. Bit by bit, the GAA took down the barriers that protected the old exclusive attitudes. It lifted the ban on its members playing other sports. It opened up Croke Park to the "foreign games" of rugby and soccer whose infiltration of 19th-century Ireland it was founded to oppose. It allowed God Save the Queen to be played on its hallowed turf in 2007 when the England rugby team came to play Ireland. (It helped that the money the GAA made from renting out Croke Park was channelled back to its own local clubs.)

Most importantly, in 2001, the GAA deleted its Rule 21, which barred members of the Northern Ireland police or armed forces from joining. It is worth recalling that, at the time, the delegates to the GAA congress from five of the six Northern Ireland counties voted to keep the rule in place. Within a decade, those same people were embracing Ronan Kerr as one of their own. The GAA managed a shift in attitudes so gentle that it took a terrible murder for everyone to realise that a quiet revolution had taken place.

The shift was hard for two reasons. One is that the GAA was embattled for a long time, especially in Northern Ireland. The grounds of the famous Crossmaglen club in south Armagh, regular winners of the All-Ireland club football championship, were occupied by the British Army from 1974 until 1999. There were arson attacks on GAA clubhouses by loyalist paramilitaries. GAA members were easily identified as Catholics and therefore made clear targets for sectarian killers. In 1997, for example, Sean Brown, chairman of the Wolfe Tone club in Bellaghy, County Derry, was kidnapped as he locked up the clubhouse after a match and murdered shortly afterwards.

But the GAA has also been psychologically embattled. Its games have a very long history, but also a long history of disparagement.

In 2009, when the Cork county goalkeeper Donal Og Cusack came out as gay, the novelist Colm Tóibín hailed him as "the first gay hurler since Cúchulainn", a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Iron Age mythological warrior-hero whose feats with stick and ball make him the precursor of today's hurlers. The odd thing about this mythology is that it doesn't seem at all ridiculous. If you watch a top-class game of hurling, the speed, strength, dexterity and personal courage on display do remind you of warriors in the hurly-burly of war before armour and technology.

But hurling has not always been appreciated. Arthur Young, the English economist, who witnessed a game in the 1770s, called it "the cricket of savages". A 1936 MGM documentary movie called Hurling was advertised with the slogan "Shillelaghs in Swing Time as 30 wild Irishmen demonstrate their game of athletic assault and battery". In John Ford's 1957 movie The Rising of the Moon, an English tourist, seeing injured players carried by on stretchers, asks nervously: "Charles, is it another of their rebellions?"

The question was not entirely stupid, for the GAA undoubtedly was part of a cultural rebellion that could not be cleanly separated from a military one. In its own mythology, the GAA saw itself, in the words of IRA leader Harry Boland in 1919, as having "drawn the line between the garrison and the Gael" – separated the native Irish from English influence. The GAA was effectively taken over by the revolutionary Irish Republican Brotherhood (forerunner of the IRA) in the late 1880s. More moderate nationalists subsequently regained control, but the IRB influence remained very strong. It was not entirely illogical for the police and army to attack Croke Park on Bloody Sunday – senior figures in the GAA at the time included IRA leaders like Boland, Austin Stack, Eoin O'Duffy and Michael Collins himself.

It's not surprising, therefore, that it's taken a long time to completely disentangle the GAA from violent republicanism. But there is another reason why the shift has been slow: it is quietly audacious. For the task that the GAA will complete when the Queen visits Croke Park is a momentous one – that of creating a distinctive and proud Irish identity that is not anti-British. The GAA came out of a time when the easiest answer to the question "what does it mean to be Irish?" was "not British". It takes real courage to replace that easy negative with something more positive and fluid.

But there is something pleasingly neat in the way it is happening. The irony is that the GAA is a quintessentially Victorian institution. It is a classic creation of the late 19th-century English drive to codify sports with written rules and centralised organisations. The men who established the GAA in 1884 saw themselves as traditionalists and cultural nationalists, preserving the ancient games of the Gael from the new vigour of rugby, soccer and cricket. But their reaction took the form of emulation – they did for Gaelic football and hurling what the English were doing for other sports.

There is a further irony that the Queen might appreciate, however. Not only is the GAA a classic Victorian organisation, it has been much more faithful to its origins in late-19th-century sporting culture than the English sports that influenced it. If you want to get some sense of the ethos of English sport before the rise of professionalism, without the snobbery that went with it, the best place to look is probably the GAA. The Queen will find many of the notions that characterised the old Corinthian spirit – character, community, playing for the sake of it – alive and well and living in Croke Park.

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Be Advised My Passport's Green
Next week the unthinkable will happen for many grassroots GAA members. The Queen of England will visit Croke Park. Apparently our President, Mary McAleese asked Her Majesty to attend the headquarters of the GAA as part of her first official visit to the Republic of Ireland.

So how do people feel about this? Well, the GAA hierarchy seems happy enough, they released a statement indicating that the Queen along with her gaffe-prone husband Prince Philip will attend Croke Park:

The GAA is pleased to have been asked to receive Queen Elizabeth, accompanied by President McAleese, at our headquarters in Croke Park and to showcase our stadium and facilities to the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and their accompanying party. We believe that this request reflects and acknowledges the special place of the GAA in the life and history of the nation.

It's politically incorrect these days, frowned upon even, to object to institutions like the British Royal Family. With their privileged status, the silver spoon in the mouth, their sectarian laws of succession, and their unfortunate entanglement with things Irish. Any dissent is dismissed as the ravings of backwoodsmen, flatearthers and bog savages. We have had Fintan O'Toole writing in the Guardian cheerleading the visit. Even Paddy Heaney from the Irish News is writing calling for a new national anthem.

The mantra? We need to move on and get over it already. Apparently if we cannot forget the past there is something wrong with us. We need to embrace the 'new dispensation'. In the GAA we need to reach out to people.

Sorry, but for me, that does not wash. I am plenty capable of embracing new dispensations and reaching out all I want. But the Croke Park Queen thing troubles me.

My GAA celebrates its heritage and its past more than any other organisation I know of. Our heritage is its fabric – games, music, language, culture. We treasure it, nurture it. And pass it on. That is what the GAA is about. But in issuing its statement about this visit, Croke Park has indicated it would make no further comment on the matter. Why is that?

What they really mean is that there will be no debate. I suppose that is in case we, the members, make a royal bollocks of ourselves. Because we are incapable of intelligent debate on the matter. Aren't we?

When Croke Park says the "GAA is pleased" they are not speaking for me. I'm not pleased. Ambivalent at best. At worst, I will studiously ignore the entire farrago as an example of spin.

I can see it now, the line up of men in suits kow-towing to the Queen of England. Explaining what a sliotar is. The carefully choreographed words, perhaps even an apology or two.

We do not need the endorsement of anyone to 'reflect and acknowledge the special place of the GAA in the life and history of the nation.' Every time our sons and daughters pull on a jersey with the GAA proudly on the right breast, and the club badge on the left, and go out to kick ball or hurl a sliotar, we know the GAA's special place in our home and my Irish culture. That doesn't need endorsement.

And lest we forget? Seamus Heaney wrote: "Be advised, my passport's green, no glass of ours was ever raised, to toast the Queen."

And here's another thing you can't say anymore, not to the Western British, but the cynic in me wants to say it anyway. That the British Establishment was fully aware of the GAA's special place in Irish life when they occupied Crossmaglen pitch in the name of Her Majesty. Likewise, the roadside was a very special place to stand and wait for any carload of players unlucky enough to carry a few hurls through an Army checkpoint. A fella carrying a hurl down the street in Cork is just a young lad going to training; in the north it meant he should be stopped and searched. But we have to move on. Let's pursue another agenda.

The nation, and I use that word carefully, was engrossed with the recent nuptials of Prince William and Kate Middleton. He born into riches, she what is described in the language of the Royal Court as a 'Commoner'. Not such a bad thing being a 'Commoner' – it could be worse. She could have been a Catholic.

Indeed, imagine if Prince William's wandering eye at St Andrew's University had been attracted to young Cáit from Midleton and wished eventually to marry her instead of Kate Middleton. Well the fact she was a Convent girl who attended mass regularly would have immediately disbarred him from the throne, simply because he cannot marry a Catholic.

I ask you, speaking as a Catholic, how can that fundamental sectarianism not be offensive to me? The romantic in me tells me that Love Conquers All, Amor Vincit Omnia. Indeed. Except, that is, when it concerns the sectarian and very British Right to Succession. If Cáit were a daughter of Islam, there would be no problem. Or indeed a Jew; a Buddhist or a Hare Krishna. But a Catholic? Need not apply.

And finally. The advantages of being born into privilege. Royalty the world over is testament to a belief that someone is deserving of a life of privilege because of where they were born and who their parents are.

In my world, where children play hurling, football and camogie, I like to tell them that if they work hard and be the best they can be, there is no limit to what they can achieve. This is fundamental to the ethos of the GAA. That the lad or girl from our parish can one day lift a cup on the steps of the Hogan Stand having earned the right to be there, by virtue of hard work, application, and the use of the skill and ability that God gave them.

The Queen of England and The Duke of Edinburgh will come along next week to Croke Park. And they will stand on the steps of the Hogan. They will in all likelihood also be allowed onto the hallowed Croke Park grass. And photographs will be taken, perhaps with Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy. The Philip fella will maybe swing a hurl. And a trail of GAA stars will be wheeled out to meet them. They will see no harm in that. In fact the players may even be honoured to have been asked.

But the fact remains, that unlike the players, the British Royalty have not earned the right to be where they are. And they never will. And that, my friends is all the difference.

Be advised...

For me the big issue here is not so much the visit but rather the way that our new squires at Croke Park have decreed that no dissenting voices be heard among the association.
I really couldn't give a flying f**k about these inbred anachronisms, I ceratinly won't be protesting against it. I do however resent the fact that we have to pretend that we are delighted about it.

The Crossmaglen argument is the only think AFR says that I agree with.

The bit about excluding catholics from the Royal family (fair point) while then arguing to exclude Royals from Croker as apparently Lizzy doesn't deserve it as she didn't play Camogie for the parish, has the look of double standards.

If we only allow people into Croker who played for the parish I doubt if we would have a stadium like we do, although on the plus side it would be a lot easier to get tickets.

Quote from: fer fox ache on May 13, 2011, 10:50:16 AM
For me the big issue here is not so much the visit but rather the way that our new squires at Croke Park have decreed that no dissenting voices be heard among the association.
I really couldn't give a flying f**k about these inbred anachronisms, I ceratinly won't be protesting against it. I do however resent the fact that we have to pretend that we are delighted about it.

Who said you can't dissent??
And who said you have to pretend you are delighted about it?
Because the GAA upper echelons have not kicked up a stink, does not mean that they expect all GAA members (with their varying political and socio-economical backgrounds and views) to think and react in a uniform manner.

Yes we have the right to dissent as individual members but county boards across the country were instructed that there was to be not a single word of comment on this.
I don't see why our elected officials have to be gagged in this manner.

Quote from: fer fox ache on May 13, 2011, 11:23:52 AM
Yes we have the right to dissent as individual members but county boards across the country were instructed that there was to be not a single word of comment on this.
I don't see why our elected officials have to be gagged in this manner.

If this is correct this shouldn't happen either.

Having said that some of us accuse our CBs of being too vocal.  :D

Well the silence has been deafening on this one, usually you could rely on someone somewhere to have said something about the visit.

Quote from: fer fox ache on May 13, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Well the silence has been deafening on this one, usually you could rely on someone somewhere to have said something about the visit.

The AFR article pretty much sums up my attitude to the whole thing. The lack of consultation and debate has pissed me off more than anything.

Quote from: muppet on May 13, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
about excluding catholics from the Royal family .

Surely you mean the BRITISH Royal Family ??

We in this State do not have a THE Queen or a THE Royal Family.
The only people who could be described in those outdated feudal terms are Mrs O'Connor Nash and her Family in Clonalis House as her husband " The O'Connor Don" is descended in line from the last High King.
I hope to ignore the whole boloxology of Mrs Windsor's visit but have to go to a Dublin Hospital next week and hope I am not inconvienenced as I hear the M4 will be closed at different times plus whole streets in Dublin will also be.
It's a bit much that free citizens of an Independent Republic can have their travel rights interfered with so that this lady can be trawled about as if inspecting her territories.
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be? This is the first time ever that the British Head of State is coming to an independent Ireland. The fact that it has taken nearly 90 years should tell you this is significant - not that I seriously think you need it spelled out to you. My wife is getting increasingly tetchy at the prospect, afraid that her hosts will snub her beloved Queenie in some way. Or worse.

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be?

A normal one between two friendly neighbouring States FFS.

Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2011, 12:55:42 PM
Fcuk the queen.

You are Michael Fegan and I claim my fiver.

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be? This is the first time ever that the British Head of State is coming to an the independent part of Ireland. The fact that it has taken nearly 90 years should tell you this is significant - not that I seriously think you need it spelled out to you. My wife is getting increasingly tetchy at the prospect, afraid that her hosts will snub her beloved Queenie in some way. Or worse.

Fixed that for you  ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:32:20 PM

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be?

A normal one between two friendly neighbouring States FFS.

But it isn't

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 13, 2011, 03:37:24 PM

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be? This is the first time ever that the British Head of State is coming to an the independent part of Ireland. The fact that it has taken nearly 90 years should tell you this is significant - not that I seriously think you need it spelled out to you. My wife is getting increasingly tetchy at the prospect, afraid that her hosts will snub her beloved Queenie in some way. Or worse.

Fixed that for you  ;)

Gotta stop feeding you lines :D

And another edit before anyone else does it:

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be? This is the first time ever that the British Head of State is coming to the ECB/IMF controlled part of Ireland. The fact that it has taken nearly 90 years should tell you this is significant - not that I seriously think you need it spelled out to you. My wife is getting increasingly tetchy at the prospect, afraid that her hosts will snub her beloved Queenie in some way. Or worse.

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:37:51 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:32:20 PM

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be?

A normal one between two friendly neighbouring States FFS.

But it isn't

Why isn't it?
Is it that we are getting a Royal British seal of approval on our independence or something?

Most Heads of State in Europe are meaningless ceremonial offices whether elected Presidents or relics of Feudal pasts. France is one of the few ( or only??) States where the Presidency has na Executive role.
Visits by Prime Ministers and/or Foreign Ministers are the real significant visits.
As far as I'm  concerned this old lady's visit should be as I said earlier - Aras/Dáil/Dublin Castle and goodbye , please come again sometime.
I fear there will be sickening displays of arselicking from far too many people during the time this old dear here. There was some flute on RTE radio this morning talking about the protocol of meeting a Queen for fcuk sake and how you can't shake hands with them unless they offer their hand to you. I switched to Joe Finnegan at that stage.
Free citizens of an Independent Republic don't have to partake in any of that sh1te.
Remember that rugby lad - Ronan O'Gara  ;) .. that's the way to do it.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:52:59 PM
Why isn't it?
Is it that we are getting a Royal British seal of approval on our independence or something?

Most Heads of State in Europe are meaningless ceremonial offices whether elected Presidents or relics of Feudal pasts. France is one of the few ( or only??) States where the Presidency has na Executive role.
Visits by Prime Ministers and/or Foreign Ministers are the real significant visits.
As far as I'm  concerned this old lady's visit should be as I said earlier - Aras/Dáil/Dublin Castle and goodbye , please come again sometime.
I fear there will be sickening displays of arselicking from far too many people during the time this old dear here. There was some flute on RTE radio this morning talking about the protocol of meeting a Queen for fcuk sake and how you can't shake hands with them unless they offer their hand to you. I switched to Joe Finnegan at that stage.
Free citizens of an Independent Republic don't have to partake in any of that sh1te.
Remember that rugby lad - Ronan O'Gara  ;) .. that's the way to do it.

The first visit of one Head of State to a country with which it has had a complicated (ahem) history is always going to be significant. If it were as routine as you seem to think, why has it not happened before?

I take your point about the arselicking. I'll be trying to avoid media coverage of it but sycophancy has a habit of expanding to fill every available space :-\

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:49:46 PM
And another edit before anyone else does it:

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be? This is the first time ever that the British Head of State is coming to the ECB/IMF controlled part of Ireland. The fact that it has taken nearly 90 years should tell you this is significant - not that I seriously think you need it spelled out to you. My wife is getting increasingly tetchy at the prospect, afraid that her hosts will snub her beloved Queenie in some way. Or worse.

:D

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:52:59 PM

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:37:51 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:32:20 PM

Quote from: deiseach on May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Why couldnt she have just gone to the Aras , the Dáil and have a big feed in Dublin Castle as is usual for these kind of Head of State  visits?

And what ''kind of Head of State visit" would this be?

A normal one between two friendly neighbouring States FFS.

But it isn't

Why isn't it?
Is it that we are getting a Royal British seal of approval on our yet to be achieved independence or something?

Fixed that one for you. And it will save FoSB having to do so.

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 04:15:04 PM
Fixed that one for you. And it will save FoSB having to do so.

Ye're all so considerate of us Free Staters *dons tin hat*

Jesus I abhor this cringing in fear of a little ould wan and her barking mad husband. Most of those who profess to be indifferent to the visit are at the same time working themselves into caniptions of indignation and parading their inferiority complexes as they fret about some imagined kow-towing to the British queen.

Relax, grow up and stop promoting the British monarch beyond her status as just another visiting head of state. If people are worried about the Irish state appearing to be tugging the forelock to foreign powers, they might better concentrate on our effective ceding of police functions to the US secret service a few days later. Or consider how we should greet our real colonial masters when next they come on a tour of inspection from Brussels to check whether we're being obedient little vassals. 

Avoid today's Irish Times letters Hardy:

A chara, – May I wish all those participating in the National Forelock Tugging Championship, which coincides with the forthcoming royal visit, the very best of luck.

:D

What do we make of the Fintan O'Toole article on Page 18 of this thread ?

Maybe I am paranoid but thought the tone patronising and possibly sneering. 

Quote from: bcarrier on May 13, 2011, 04:56:33 PM
What do we make of the Fintan O'Toole article on Page 18 of this thread ?

Maybe I am paranoid but thought the tone patronising and possibly sneering.

That would be Fintan alright

Hardy, does the length of this thread and other threads about this, compared to the lack of any threads about the visit of Barack Obama, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it, and all the talk of protests etc not hint to the fact that this isn't "just another visiting head of state" and isn't it a bit blinkered to suggest it is?

Wonder will Fillip try out the auld hurling thiggumajig in the Museum. Surely when he has the hurl in the hand he'll put his foot in with some comment.

I hope they keep John Bruton away from Croke Park..........last time he nearly gave the State back to Lappy Lugs

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
Hardy, does the length of this thread and other threads about this, compared to the lack of any threads about the visit of Barack Obama, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it, and all the talk of protests etc not hint to the fact that this isn't "just another visiting head of state" and isn't it a bit blinkered to suggest it is?

No, the length of this thread and others like it, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it and all the talk of protests etc. simply make my point about the unwarranted hysteria surrounding this visit and the unjustified promotion of the British queen beyond her status as just a visiting head of state.

Quote from: Hardy on May 13, 2011, 05:42:45 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
Hardy, does the length of this thread and other threads about this, compared to the lack of any threads about the visit of Barack Obama, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it, and all the talk of protests etc not hint to the fact that this isn't "just another visiting head of state" and isn't it a bit blinkered to suggest it is?

No, the length of this thread and others like it, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it and all the talk of protests etc. simply make my point about the unwarranted hysteria surrounding this visit and the unjustified promotion of the British queen beyond her status as just a visiting head of state.

There is something amusing about the ferocity and venom being spewed by the people determined to get their point across about how little they give a sh|t about the visit.

I wouldnt say it promotes her status at all. A lot of people have damn good reason to be uncomfortable at her visit and i'd imagine wouldnt think that they are promoting her status just by not feeling equally uncomcortable with other head of states visiting.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 13, 2011, 05:51:24 PM

Quote from: Hardy on May 13, 2011, 05:42:45 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
Hardy, does the length of this thread and other threads about this, compared to the lack of any threads about the visit of Barack Obama, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it, and all the talk of protests etc not hint to the fact that this isn't "just another visiting head of state" and isn't it a bit blinkered to suggest it is?

No, the length of this thread and others like it, not to mention the thousands of column inches and news reports of it and all the talk of protests etc. simply make my point about the unwarranted hysteria surrounding this visit and the unjustified promotion of the British queen beyond her status as just a visiting head of state.

There is something amusing about the ferocity and venom being spewed by the people determined to get their point across about how little they give a sh|t about the visit.

Sure isn't there venom and ferocity from people on all sides of the argument. People who oppose it for perfectly ligitimate reasons have been routinely referred to as dinasours and knuckledraggers who are incapable of moving on and who are so very immature. Im happy to admit that Im openly opposed to the visit at this time and wouldn't be one of the people you refer to as not giving a sh1t about it.

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
Sure isn't there venom and ferocity from people on all sides of the argument. People who oppose it for perfectly ligitimate reasons have been routinely referred to as dinasours and knuckledraggers who are incapable of moving on and who are so very immature. Im happy to admit that Im openly opposed to the visit at this time and wouldn't be one of the people you refer to as not giving a sh1t about it.

So you give a great deal of sh|t about it. Good. You're not one of the people I was talking about there then, are you?

Think Peadar Kearney sums it all up:
Whack Fol The Diddle   (Peadar Kearney)

I'll sing you a song of peace and love
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
To the land that reigns all lands above
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
May peace and plenty be her share
Who kept our homes from want and care
Ah, but God bless England did our prayer
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
So we say "Hip Hooray!"
Come and listen while we pray
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

When we were savage fierce and wild
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
She came like a mother to her child
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
Gently raised us from the slime
Kept our hands from hellish crime
And sent us to Heaven in her own good time
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
So we say "Hip Hooray!"
Come and listen while we pray
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Our fathers oft were naughty boys
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
For pikes and guns are dangerous toys
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
From Bearna Baol to Peter's Hill
We made poor England weep her fill
Ah, but ould Brittania she loved us still
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
So we say "Hip Hooray!"
Come and listen while we pray
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Oh, Irishmen forget the past
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
And think of the time that's coming fast
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
When we will all be civilized
Neat and clean and well advised
Oh, won't Mother England be surprised?
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
So we say "Hip Hooray!"
Come and listen while we pray
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day
So we say "Hip Hooray!"
Come and listen while we pray
Whack fol the diddle fol the di dol day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYYFXH2YmE

Will she go to Monto? Not far from Croker after all!

The Queen she came to call on us,
She wanted to see all of us
I'm glad she didn't fall on us, she's eighteen stone.
"Mister Me Lord Mayor," says she,
"Is this all you've got to show me?"
"Why, no ma'am there's some more to see, Póg mo thóin!"

And he took her up Monto, Monto, Monto
He set her up in Monto, lan-ge- roo,
For you!

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 13, 2011, 07:18:29 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
Sure isn't there venom and ferocity from people on all sides of the argument. People who oppose it for perfectly ligitimate reasons have been routinely referred to as dinasours and knuckledraggers who are incapable of moving on and who are so very immature. Im happy to admit that Im openly opposed to the visit at this time and wouldn't be one of the people you refer to as not giving a sh1t about it.

So you give a great deal of sh|t about it. Good. You're not one of the people I was talking about there then, are you?

Jaysus you're awful touchy! Did I claim that you I said was?

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 14, 2011, 12:50:57 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 13, 2011, 07:18:29 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
Sure isn't there venom and ferocity from people on all sides of the argument. People who oppose it for perfectly ligitimate reasons have been routinely referred to as dinasours and knuckledraggers who are incapable of moving on and who are so very immature. Im happy to admit that Im openly opposed to the visit at this time and wouldn't be one of the people you refer to as not giving a sh1t about it.

So you give a great deal of sh|t about it. Good. You're not one of the people I was talking about there then, are you?

Jaysus you're awful touchy! Did I claim that you I said was?

Did I say you claimed I said you were?

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 14, 2011, 01:01:24 AM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 14, 2011, 12:50:57 AM

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 13, 2011, 07:18:29 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
Sure isn't there venom and ferocity from people on all sides of the argument. People who oppose it for perfectly ligitimate reasons have been routinely referred to as dinasours and knuckledraggers who are incapable of moving on and who are so very immature. Im happy to admit that Im openly opposed to the visit at this time and wouldn't be one of the people you refer to as not giving a sh1t about it.

So you give a great deal of sh|t about it. Good. You're not one of the people I was talking about there then, are you?

Jaysus you're awful touchy! Did I claim that you I said was?

Did I say you claimed I said you were?

Did I say you said I claimed I said I was? Or something!

How much is this new visit costing the taxpayer? Or can be contra charge the Brits and bill them for having to mind these two cratures?

Quote from: highorlow on March 03, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
How much is this new visit costing the taxpayer? Or can be contra charge the Brits and bill them for having to mind these two cratures?

According to the Indo yesterday, the estimated cost is €2 million.

QuoteAccording to the Indo yesterday, the estimated cost is €2 million.

or 32 Sinn Fein Houses

Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2020, 04:00:50 PM

Quote from: highorlow on March 03, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
How much is this new visit costing the taxpayer? Or can be contra charge the Brits and bill them for having to mind these two cratures?

According to the Indo yesterday, the estimated cost is €2 million.

maybe Micheal D's Kids will get to visit England and get the full treatment

The British Royal couple paid a visit to the garden of remembrance in Dublin there. A place where the dead of this country are who  fought against the British are remembered. God Save the Queen played there for good measure.

This was sickening.

I dread to think, if alive, what these men and women would say.

The irish government always have been lackeys to the crown. 

If they were alive they wouldn't be subject to a garden of remembrance.
I'm sure they're delighted to see that those pair are from the Royal family of ANOTHER Country.
Independent States put on a show of welcoming foreign dignitaries and indeed nonenties.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 03, 2020, 05:30:11 PM
If they were alive they wouldn't be subject to a garden of remembrance.
I'm sure they're delighted to see that those pair are from the Royal family of ANOTHER Country.
Independent States out on a show of welcoming foreign dignitaries and indeed nonenties.

Superb rebuttal

Quote from: theticklemister on March 03, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
The British Royal couple paid a visit to the garden of remembrance in Dublin there. A place where the dead of this country are who  fought against the British are remembered. God Save the Queen played there for good measure.

This was sickening.

I dread to think, if alive, what these men and women would say.

The irish government always have been lackeys to the crown.

I'm sure those who fought British rule would be delighted that someday British royals would commemorate their victory

Ireland is still unfree , no right thinking Republican would ever think they should be welcome till that day had been won .

Quote from: larryin89 on March 03, 2020, 07:46:03 PM
Ireland is still unfree , no right thinking Republican would ever think they should be welcome till that day had been won .

No country is free while they're controlled by the banks.

Quote from: larryin89 on March 03, 2020, 07:46:03 PM
Ireland is still unfree , no right thinking Republican would ever think they should be welcome till that day had been won .

Were you out of the Country in 1998?

An awful lot of small man syndrome on view here.

Or an awful lot of lackeys , take your pick.

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 03, 2020, 07:00:21 PM

Quote from: theticklemister on March 03, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
The British Royal couple paid a visit to the garden of remembrance in Dublin there. A place where the dead of this country are who  fought against the British are remembered. God Save the Queen played there for good measure.

This was sickening.

I dread to think, if alive, what these men and women would say.

The irish government always have been lackeys to the crown.

I'm sure those who fought British rule would be delighted that someday British royals would commemorate their victory

Not sure they would all regard a partitioned country as victory.