Strange how rare it is for these two teams to play especially since the two teams consistently challenged in all competitions throughout the 90s.
Last game was a league semi-final in Croke Park after a postponement in Roscommon. Stevie McDonald went to town on our full-back line and the Orchard County won comfortably by 5 points.
Other than that when did we last play in senior football? It must have been the 90s?
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
Whatever about a game 10 years ago it is closer to 20 years since Jacko managed the Mayo men, I was at the game you are thinking of and that was 1992 I reckon, scorcher of a day I think.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 03, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
Whatever about a game 10 years ago it is closer to 20 years since Jacko managed the Mayo men, I was at the game you are thinking of and that was 1992 I reckon, scorcher of a day I think.
Yeah that was in March 1993. Jacko was manager that year, which led to a horror-show AISF against Cork.
Details courtesy of Willie Joe http://www.mayogaablog.com (http://www.mayogaablog.com)
Mayo 0-8 Armagh 0-10 (Charlestown, 14/3/1993). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, K Cahill, K Mortimor; M Coyle, P Holmes, J Finn; R Dempsey (0-3, two frees), S Maher; J Jennings (0-4, three frees), K Reilly, T Morley; M Fitzmaurice, R Golding, PJ Loftus. Subs: K Staunton (0-1) for Reilly, P Brogan for Fitzmaurice.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 03, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
Whatever about a game 10 years ago it is closer to 20 years since Jacko managed the Mayo men, I was at the game you are thinking of and that was 1992 I reckon, scorcher of a day I think.
Yeah that was in March 1993. Jacko was manager that year, which led to a horror-show AISF against Cork.
Details courtesy of Willie Joe http://www.mayogaablog.com (http://www.mayogaablog.com)
Mayo 0-8 Armagh 0-10 (Charlestown, 14/3/1993). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, K Cahill, K Mortimor; M Coyle, P Holmes, J Finn; R Dempsey (0-3, two frees), S Maher; J Jennings (0-4, three frees), K Reilly, T Morley; M Fitzmaurice, R Golding, PJ Loftus. Subs: K Staunton (0-1) for Reilly, P Brogan for Fitzmaurice.
Jesus that was a team badly caught between two eras. Guys like Irwin, Finn, Maher, Fitzmaurice and Beirne going out with K Mort, Cahill, Holmes, Golding and Loftus coming in. Although I always wonder why Michael Fitzmaurice wasn't around for longer. If he was minor in 1985, then he'd only have been 29 in 1996. Now, of course, we had a spectacular free-taker in Maurice Sheridan but did Michael just drift away?
Oh, and sorry to be pedantic Barney, but it is Billy Joe. Billie is the female spelling of it and always seems to be repeated in the Connaught Telegraph. There are enough problems for the lad with that name without being confused with a girl too!
Giving my age away here!
anyone remember a league game between the two played in Ballyhaunis.
I know i was there but have no idea when or who won??
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
I was @ that match, I must have been 13 or so, remember thinking what a p***k O'Shea was wearing Kerry socks as Mayo manager. In my memory that game was in Ballina, but if it was Charlestown, could we have being playing Roscommon in Ballina around the same time. Was Roscommon in the same division as us that year?
I think 1995 was the last time we were in the same division but we did play Mayo in the Semi final in 2001
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
feck it i am getting old 20 years ago
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 03, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on March 03, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
I remember a league game in Charlestown about ten years ago, when Armagh won by 3/4 points.
jack o shea was theMayo manager for this game( he wore kerry socks, if i remember correctly Keith Quigley was MOM for Armagh
Whatever about a game 10 years ago it is closer to 20 years since Jacko managed the Mayo men, I was at the game you are thinking of and that was 1992 I reckon, scorcher of a day I think.
Yeah that was in March 1993. Jacko was manager that year, which led to a horror-show AISF against Cork.
Details courtesy of Willie Joe http://www.mayogaablog.com (http://www.mayogaablog.com)
Mayo 0-8 Armagh 0-10 (Charlestown, 14/3/1993). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, K Cahill, K Mortimor; M Coyle, P Holmes, J Finn; R Dempsey (0-3, two frees), S Maher; J Jennings (0-4, three frees), K Reilly, T Morley; M Fitzmaurice, R Golding, PJ Loftus. Subs: K Staunton (0-1) for Reilly, P Brogan for Fitzmaurice.
Good to see Kora Staunton getting a run out in the league ;D
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 03, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
Jesus that was a team badly caught between two eras. Guys like Irwin, Finn, Maher, Fitzmaurice and Beirne going out with K Mort, Cahill, Holmes, Golding and Loftus coming in.
You have to remember there was a time when it was harder to get off the Mayo team than on it! Played a league game against Tony Morley once, over a pint afterwards I asked him was he still involved with Mayo. He sighed and said he was. He reckoned he'd spent the previous two seasons trying to get dropped (missing training, boozing etc.) but hadn't succeeded!
Quote from: StoneWall on March 04, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 03, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
Jesus that was a team badly caught between two eras. Guys like Irwin, Finn, Maher, Fitzmaurice and Beirne going out with K Mort, Cahill, Holmes, Golding and Loftus coming in.
You have to remember there was a time when it was harder to get off the Mayo team than on it! Played a league game against Tony Morley once, over a pint afterwards I asked him was he still involved with Mayo. He sighed and said he was. He reckoned he'd spent the previous two seasons trying to get dropped (missing training, boozing etc.) but hadn't succeeded!
That explains a lot! Tony was impossibly glamourous for the time with the long, blonde hair. But then we saw him play and it didn't quite tally with the look.
Did armagh not travel to mayo first game of the league in the 96/97 league? would have been pre christmas and i think ended in a draw? mayo just coming off an all ireland final defeat
Who has replaced Billy Joe Padden in the Mayo team now that he is lining out for Armagh?
Quote from: Carbery on March 05, 2011, 10:35:52 AM
Who has replaced Billy Joe Padden in the Mayo team now that he is lining out for Armagh?
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It's funny how Hoganstand posters have multiple handles that reply to themselves with minutes ::) Sad really :P
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 05, 2011, 01:53:20 PM
It's funny how Hoganstand posters have multiple handles that reply to themselves with minutes ::) Sad really :P
ask the mods for the ignore pstg function. I find it works a treat Mayogodhelpus ;)
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 05, 2011, 10:28:22 AM
Did armagh not travel to mayo first game of the league in the 96/97 league? would have been pre christmas and i think ended in a draw? mayo just coming off an all ireland final defeat
Close! Was well after Christmas in 97, but did end in a draw in Charlestown.
Courtesy of Willie Joe again:
Mayo 0-13 Armagh 1-10 (Charlestown, 2/3/1997). MAYO: J Madden; K Mortimor (0-1), K Cahill, P Holmes; F Costello (0-1), B Heffernan, N Connelly (0-1); P Fallon, C McManamon (0-1); R Golding, J Horan, M Sheridan (0-5); D Nestor, J Casey (0-3), PJ Loftus. Subs: L McHale for Horan, D Byrne for Loftus.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 05, 2011, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 05, 2011, 01:53:20 PM
It's funny how Hoganstand posters have multiple handles that reply to themselves with minutes ::) Sad really :P
ask the mods for the ignore pstg function. I find it works a treat Mayogodhelpus ;)
How does one do that deel rover?
I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
Was BillyJoe on the Mayo panel last year and when was he last a starter?
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 07, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Was BillyJoe on the Mayo panel last year and when was he last a starter?
Yes, he was on last year's panel.
His last appearance came as a sub against Longford in the qualifier defeat.
From a quick check of the archive on www.mayogaablog.com, his last start for Mayo came as a half-forward in the NFL game against Tyrone in 2009 (ended in a draw in McHale Park).
Billy Joe was a late addition to the panel last year, he wasn't involved during the league. Wasn't the right man to be brought off the bench against Longford and I'd question either the willingness of the likes of McGarrity to come on or the sanity of JOM in thinking it would be a better idea to put BJP on instead of him.
All in the past now I suppose - best of luck to BJP (other than this weekend of course!).
Mayo have looked very useful so far this season so another very difficult ask, but one we could win. Probably between Mayo, Monaghan and ourselves to see who accompanies Galway to Division 2. I wasn't as depressed about the Down match as a lot of other posters, but changes I would like to see for the next match are McKeever holding the centre and not man-marking their most dangerous player, young Grugan has to make way IMO and MOR will be lucky to keep his place. They may as well give Nippy a run out at CHF and see how he gets on. Team I'd like to see:
McEvoy
AM, Donaghy, F Mo
Dyas, CMcK, Duffy
Charlie & Toner
Mackin, Nippy, BJP
B Mallon, Stevie, MOR
That looks close to the best we've available to us Benny. I think its a year (at least) too early for grugan. that being the case, we're not looking at too much new really. MOR is probably the only experiment as such - along with bjp. We should be good enough to get a result in mayo with them experimenting under new management.
Our forward line is very much there on potential. In reality, Mackin has been consistently short at county level unfortunately and my own view - time will tell - is that bjp is at best on a par with him. Nippy frustrates me. he has natural ability and demonstrates it consistently for his club. we only see glimpses with armagh - usually on the square - and we need to get the best out of him. Mallon is in a similar boat - we know he has ability but need to start seeing it. mor too - peerless at club level but we need to start seeing it in an orange jersey.
McK has to be at 6 as benny says and holding - a policy so vehermently criticised from 05 - 11 but probably the backbone of armagh's defensive solidity. With an eye towards developing the team, i'd look at:
McEvoy
AM, Donaghy, F Mo
Dyas, CMcK, an other
Charlie & Toner
Duffy, O'Neill, B Mallon
Nippy, Stevie, MOR
The usual 2 up i guess with an extra middle third man and mor out to 11.
If Lavery's fit there could be the temptation to throw him into MF and move Charlie to the HF line, especially with McGarrity in there for Mayo, it mightn't be a terrible idea but Vernon and Toner are starting to look like a formidable MF pairing and it would be a shame to break their recent good run.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 07, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
Mayo have looked very useful so far this season so another very difficult ask, but one we could win. Probably between Mayo, Monaghan and ourselves to see who accompanies Galway to Division 2. I wasn't as depressed about the Down match as a lot of other posters, but changes I would like to see for the next match are McKeever holding the centre and not man-marking their most dangerous player, young Grugan has to make way IMO and MOR will be lucky to keep his place. They may as well give Nippy a run out at CHF and see how he gets on. Team I'd like to see:
McEvoy
AM, Donaghy, F Mo
Dyas, CMcK, Duffy
Charlie & Toner
Mackin, Nippy, BJP
B Mallon, Stevie, MOR
That team has two good backs and two decent forwards.....the rest are ordinary :o
Your point being? We're not that great? Not exactly news to the majority
Feck sake its like trying to crack a code working out who these Armagh players are...AM, F Mo, CMcK etc. :)
If Feeney plays full back again for us it'll be interesting to see how he gets on against McDonnell. I guess we're looking at a team without the 21s since they're playing the Rossies on Saturday. So maybe something along the lines of
O'Malley (although Hennelly could probably play both games)
Cunniffe A Feeney Barrett (is Higgins back from Oz yet?)
R Feeney Cafferkey Gardiner
McGarrity Gibbons
Campbell Dillon McLoughlin
Kilcoyne Moran Doherty (If Varley is back fit he might play at 13)
Actually looking at that the under 21s missing doesn't affect the team too much, just O'Shea really and he hasn't been going that well. On paper I'd say that team would be good enough to win this one at home, but then I can't really work out who the Armagh players are, so I'm probably not best placed to judge.
I thought Armagh were good when I saw them in the Div 2 league final last year, they'd have taken our lads that day easy enough.
Quote from: borderfox on March 07, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
the year was 1986 and mayo kicked a load of wides that day.laois went on to win the league that year but then got beaten in the 1st round of the championchip
Quote from: maigheo on March 07, 2011, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: borderfox on March 07, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
the year was 1986 and mayo kicked a load of wides that day.laois went on to win the league that year but then got beaten in the 1st round of the championchip
was that against wicklow at the battle of aughrim?
Quote from: rosnarun on March 08, 2011, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 07, 2011, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: borderfox on March 07, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
the year was 1986 and mayo kicked a load of wides that day.laois went on to win the league that year but then got beaten in the 1st round of the championchip
was that against wicklow at the battle of aughrim?
Sure was.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 07, 2011, 11:04:27 PM
Feck sake its like trying to crack a code working out who these Armagh players are...AM, F Mo, CMcK etc. :)
If Feeney plays full back again for us it'll be interesting to see how he gets on against McDonnell. I guess we're looking at a team without the 21s since they're playing the Rossies on Saturday. So maybe something along the lines of
O'Malley (although Hennelly could probably play both games)
Cunniffe A Feeney Barrett (is Higgins back from Oz yet?)
R Feeney Cafferkey Gardiner
McGarrity Gibbons
Campbell Dillon McLoughlin
Kilcoyne Moran Doherty (If Varley is back fit he might play at 13)
Actually looking at that the under 21s missing doesn't affect the team too much, just O'Shea really and he hasn't been going that well. On paper I'd say that team would be good enough to win this one at home, but then I can't really work out who the Armagh players are, so I'm probably not best placed to judge.
I thought Armagh were good when I saw them in the Div 2 league final last year, they'd have taken our lads that day easy enough.
is a feeney injured? - may put caff back to full or bring in either hallinan or killeen
Alan Feeney is injured. Broken toe I think. I'd imagine that both Under 21s who started the last day - Robbie Hennelly and Aidan O'Shea - will be rested. So I'd be thinking of a team along these lines.
K O'Malley
T Cunniffe C Hallinan C Barrett
R Feeney G Cafferkey P Gardiner
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Dillon K McLoughlin
E Varley A Kilcoyne J Doherty.
I reckon Hallinan could be a good match for Stevie McDonnell although it is a big task. He might well play Barry Moran at midfield beside McGarrity because he has played things around there. We might struggle without a physically strong player inside, with the absence of both Alan Freeman and Aidan O'Shea. Barry Moran might be played there but I don't see Horan doing that. Midfield or nothing for Barry I reckon. After missing the game in Tuam, I'm looking forward to seeing how McLoughlin gets on at 12 - if he is picked there.
Can't see him dropping Andy Moran. When is Vaughan back? Freeman and Howley might be close too.
Ya Andy will play if he is fit. We're not allowed to drop him because the Rossie lads will get annoyed if their man doesn't get picked.
Heading west for the match this weekend
Any recommendations for good pubs or eateries
Any where decent to watch the rugby soccer and gaelic on saturday night
Staying in the Harlequinn Hotel
Any other armagh fans making the trip
Cheers
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 08, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
Alan Feeney is injured. Broken toe I think. I'd imagine that both Under 21s who started the last day - Robbie Hennelly and Aidan O'Shea - will be rested. So I'd be thinking of a team along these lines.
K O'Malley
T Cunniffe C Hallinan C Barrett
R Feeney G Cafferkey P Gardiner
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Dillon K McLoughlin
E Varley A Kilcoyne J Doherty.
I reckon Hallinan could be a good match for Stevie McDonnell although it is a big task. He might well play Barry Moran at midfield beside McGarrity because he has played things around there. We might struggle without a physically strong player inside, with the absence of both Alan Freeman and Aidan O'Shea. Barry Moran might be played there but I don't see Horan doing that. Midfield or nothing for Barry I reckon. After missing the game in Tuam, I'm looking forward to seeing how McLoughlin gets on at 12 - if he is picked there.
I think James Burke did more than enough to start again.
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 08, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
Alan Feeney is injured. Broken toe I think. I'd imagine that both Under 21s who started the last day - Robbie Hennelly and Aidan O'Shea - will be rested. So I'd be thinking of a team along these lines.
K O'Malley
T Cunniffe C Hallinan C Barrett
R Feeney G Cafferkey P Gardiner
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Dillon K McLoughlin
E Varley A Kilcoyne J Doherty.
I reckon Hallinan could be a good match for Stevie McDonnell although it is a big task. He might well play Barry Moran at midfield beside McGarrity because he has played things around there. We might struggle without a physically strong player inside, with the absence of both Alan Freeman and Aidan O'Shea. Barry Moran might be played there but I don't see Horan doing that. Midfield or nothing for Barry I reckon. After missing the game in Tuam, I'm looking forward to seeing how McLoughlin gets on at 12 - if he is picked there.
I think James Burke did more than enough to start again.
burke may well start with gardiner moving to right half back and richie feeney taking up a position in the full back line.
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
I think James Burke did more than enough to start again.
Based on what Moy?
I thought that Burke was loose enough the last day. It was his first start though so he will hopefully get another chance before we make up our mind.
I didn't see the Galway game so am relying on second hand info so I will defer to those who saw Burke play. I think he has something to offer. I forgot about Andy - how could I do that! He'll be at 14 with probably Killer and Doherty either side of him. Apparently Varley and Freeman might be in contention. If so, start Freeman at 14, Andy 13 and Doherty 15.
Quote from: Chimley on March 09, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
I thought that Burke was loose enough the last day. It was his first start though so he will hopefully get another chance before we make up our mind.
+1
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
I think James Burke did more than enough to start again.
Bit of a stretch IMO. He did Ok, was loose enough and a lot came up his wing if I can remember. In fact, thinking about It I thought that a few players breezed by him a little easy against Galway.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 09, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
I didn't see the Galway game so am relying on second hand info so I will defer to those who saw Burke play. I think he has something to offer. I forgot about Andy - how could I do that! He'll be at 14 with probably Killer and Doherty either side of him. Apparently Varley and Freeman might be in contention. If so, start Freeman at 14, Andy 13 and Doherty 15.
I dont think Freeman will be 100% fit for Armagh although I think he was aiming to be. He has a better chance of playing against the Dubs.
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 09, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
I think James Burke did more than enough to start again.
Based on what Moy?
Always available in support. Very good linking and saw the pass very early. One diagonal kick pass to O Sé was on a plate and that is typical of what he can do.Being left footed is a big plus also. He is the type of new blood and ambition that this team needs imo. Don t remember him shipping much punishment from Gary Sice I think. And if we are going to play a running possession game that I think we will for the most part the wing backs will be fluid anyway. These guys will have to get up and down the wings all day long.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Heading west for the match this weekend
Any recommendations for good pubs or eateries
Any where decent to watch the rugby soccer and gaelic on saturday night
Staying in the Harlequinn Hotel
Any other armagh fans making the trip
Cheers
These Mayo boys are too busy talking tactics & personnel to give you a bit of help Shortso!! I only thought us Armagh boys were bad.
Hoping to make Castlebar myself although it'll be the round trip on Sunday for me.
It's a must win game for both teams with the losers heading for Division 2 along with Galway. I'd give Grugan a rest with him playing tonight in Derry. Like Benny I'd take Swift out to CHF and maybe leave Stevie and B Mallon (for want of better options) in the inside line. If mallon doesn't shake himself up in there I'd bring young McParland in and see what he's made of. He must be frustrated at the man without a club getting on before him in Newry.
The midfield and defence more or less picks itself although I'm hoping for an improved performance from P Duffy or Aaron Kernan will walk straight back in for him on Sunday week.
A lot of people were giving Andy Mallon stick for his performance against Down but he was left one on one with a flyer in Laverty which isn't easy. I'd expect us to be a wee bit more defensive from here on and not leave Andy and Donaghy as exposed like they were against Down.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Heading west for the match this weekend
Any recommendations for good pubs or eateries
The grub and pints in Bar One and Cox's is grand.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Any where decent to watch the rugby soccer and gaelic on saturday night
Probably Rockeys will have the football on.
Castlebar should be a busy spot on Saturday night with the new Taoiseach
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 09, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
*Cue smart A55 or vulgar comment from that vvanker PSTG*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc
Quote from: borderfox on March 07, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
30th March 1986 League Quarter-Final:
Mayo 0-15 Armagh 1-7
20th April 1986 League Semi-Final:
Monaghan 0-10 Mayo 1-6
Thanks muppet. I could of swore Loais beat us that day but hey there you go, It was Mayo. The alzheimers must be catching up with me. I thought it was a double header.
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 09, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Heading west for the match this weekend
Any recommendations for good pubs or eateries
The grub and pints in Bar One and Cox's is grand.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Any where decent to watch the rugby soccer and gaelic on saturday night
Probably Rockeys will have the football on.
Castlebar should be a busy spot on Saturday night with the new Taoiseach
Good man! Heading down myself... bit outside town, Breaffy Woods Hotel.
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Heading west for the match this weekend
Any recommendations for good pubs or eateries
The grub and pints in Bar One and Cox's is grand.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 08, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
Any where decent to watch the rugby soccer and gaelic on saturday night
Probably Rockeys will have the football on.
Castlebar should be a busy spot on Saturday night with the new Taoiseach
Good man! Heading down myself... bit outside town, Breaffy Woods Hotel.
Ah, a taxi will have you in middle of town in 5 mins.
Mick Byrnes and Ray Prendergasts would be traditional football pubs. But the livlier places would be down around Linenhall St - where Cox's Rocky's, Bosh etc are
By the way, the homecoming for An Taoiseach is on Sat night, so will be a big crowd around I'm sure. That's on in the TF, the other end of town to the pubs mentioned.
Cheers for the advice and recommendations
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 10, 2011, 08:53:07 PM
Cheers for the advice and recommendations
The hotel you booked is at the back of the TF where most of the Kenny celebrations will be i can imagine.
Cox's is a good spot & most pubs on that street have a late license
Ya Johnnys (John McHales) is a great traditional Irish pub, nicest Guinness in the West across from the Welcome Inn.
Rockys will have alot of the local crowd.
Prendergasts & Mick Byrnes - football pubs.
McCarthys for the trad. music.
Bar One, Bosh & Buckos, for the modern bar and the young wans with short skirts.
Coadys will be overflowing, its where Enda takes his pint when he comes into town.
TF, will have a big FG & football crowd too.
Irishhouse, bit alternative kind of crowd.
Castlebar has a good 50 pubs still open I'd say, so ya won't go short.
The Shamrock out in Breaffy Village/Suburb is a nice spot for a quiet one if yet driving past, but unlikely as its south of the town.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 10, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Ya Johnnys (John McHales) is a great traditional Irish pub, nicest Guinness in the West across from the Welcome Inn.
It's nice stout, but less of the shite talk.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 10, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Ya Johnnys (John McHales) is a great traditional Irish pub, nicest Guinness in the West across from the Welcome Inn.
Rockys will have alot of the local crowd.
Prendergasts & Mick Byrnes - football pubs.
McCarthys for the trad. music.
Bar One, Bosh & Buckos, for the modern bar and the young wans with short skirts.
Coadys will be overflowing, its where Enda takes his pint when he comes into town.
TF, will have a big FG & football crowd too.
Irishhouse, bit alternative kind of crowd.
Castlebar has a good 50 pubs still open I'd say, so ya won't go short.
The Shamrock out in Breaffy Village/Suburb is a nice spot for a quiet one if yet driving past, but unlikely as its south of the town.
You've been away a long time by the looks of things! There's barely 20 pubs in the town now, what with everyone emigrating :P Bar One is dying on its feet so unless you want a (very) quiet pint, stay on Linenhall Street. For the man who is staying in Breaffy Woods, the Shamrock will be your local. And, just to be pedantic, Breaffy is to the east and not the south of Castlebar.
Prendergasts (known locally as Rays) and Byrnes for the football talk; Johnny's for a good atmosphere and nice stout. Then onto Bosh, Buckos and Cox's later. Rocky's a good spot any of the time and best spot for the live sport.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 10, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Ya Johnnys (John McHales) is a great traditional Irish pub, nicest Guinness in the West across from the Welcome Inn.
Rockys will have alot of the local crowd.
Prendergasts & Mick Byrnes - football pubs.
McCarthys for the trad. music.
Bar One, Bosh & Buckos, for the modern bar and the young wans with short skirts.
Coadys will be overflowing, its where Enda takes his pint when he comes into town.
TF, will have a big FG & football crowd too.
Irishhouse, bit alternative kind of crowd.
Castlebar has a good 50 pubs still open I'd say, so ya won't go short.
The Shamrock out in Breaffy Village/Suburb is a nice spot for a quiet one if yet driving past, but unlikely as its south of the town.
You've been away a long time by the looks of things! There's barely 20 pubs in the town now, what with everyone emigrating :P Bar One is dying on its feet so unless you want a (very) quiet pint, stay on Linenhall Street. For the man who is staying in Breaffy Woods, the Shamrock will be your local. And, just to be pedantic, Breaffy is to the east and not the south of Castlebar.
Prendergasts (known locally as Rays) and Byrnes for the football talk; Johnny's for a good atmosphere and nice stout. Then onto Bosh, Buckos and Cox's later. Rocky's a good spot any of the time and best spot for the live sport.
Well to be very Pedantic its South East. I highlighted the South as they coming from the North East direction. Ya maybe not 50, but there must be at least 35. I haven't been in Bar One in a long time, it used to be wall to wall in there. They get a rugby crowd in for the matches.
If coming from the match depending on which direction they come they will pass the Hogs Heaven or if coming the other way the pubs on Spencer Steet too.
Armagh Team v Mayo
1. Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones
5. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's
7. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
8. Kieran Toner Granemore
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Gareth Swift Armagh Harps
11 Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Brian Mallon Tir na nOg
15. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
16. John Mc Cullagh Carrickcruppin
17. James Lavery Maghery
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Conor Clarke Pearse Og
20. John Murtagh Crossmaglen
21. Gareth O'Neill Dromintee
22. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
23. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
24. Anto Duffy Pearse Og
25. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
Round about as good as we have at the minute. i'd like to see what o'neill could do around the middle for us (for mackin) - he had good potential a couple of years ago - and if Duffy is good to go i'd have him in instead of bjp to add a bit of spark.
Once again the bench doesn't inspire and only one (inexperienced) defender on it.
Yea, basically as good as we're going to get on the field before Paddy's Day. I think young Grugan could be an asset coming off the bench in the second half when the game may be more open. We needed a bit more height and presence in the HF line considering McGarrity is one of the top midfielders in the country.
I would like to see B Mallon stay close to goal similar to the role he played in Newry in the McKenna Cup, whatever else that will bring it should bring a bit more movement in the forward line which was missing in the last match.
We should get a fair percentage of the ball but we'd need to use it better than we did against Down.
BJP has made a quiet start to life in an Armagh jersey but I'd like to think he'll have something to prove on Sunday afternoon.
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Ya Johnnys (John McHales) is a great traditional Irish pub, nicest Guinness in the West across from the Welcome Inn.
Rockys will have alot of the local crowd.
Prendergasts & Mick Byrnes - football pubs.
McCarthys for the trad. music.
Bar One, Bosh & Buckos, for the modern bar and the young wans with short skirts.
Coadys will be overflowing, its where Enda takes his pint when he comes into town.
TF, will have a big FG & football crowd too.
Irishhouse, bit alternative kind of crowd.
Castlebar has a good 50 pubs still open I'd say, so ya won't go short.
The Shamrock out in Breaffy Village/Suburb is a nice spot for a quiet one if yet driving past, but unlikely as its south of the town.
You've been away a long time by the looks of things! There's barely 20 pubs in the town now, what with everyone emigrating :P Bar One is dying on its feet so unless you want a (very) quiet pint, stay on Linenhall Street. For the man who is staying in Breaffy Woods, the Shamrock will be your local. And, just to be pedantic, Breaffy is to the east and not the south of Castlebar.
Prendergasts (known locally as Rays) and Byrnes for the football talk; Johnny's for a good atmosphere and nice stout. Then onto Bosh, Buckos and Cox's later. Rocky's a good spot any of the time and best spot for the live sport.
Well to be very Pedantic its South East. I highlighted the South as they coming from the North East direction. Ya maybe not 50, but there must be at least 35. I haven't been in Bar One in a long time, it used to be wall to wall in there. They get a rugby crowd in for the matches.
If coming from the match depending on which direction they come they will pass the Hogs Heaven or if coming the other way the pubs on Spencer Steet too.
To be very, very pedantic Breaffy is east, Belcarra is south east, Ballyheane is south. In terms of a clock, Breaffy would be, at most, 17 minutes past the hour (with 15 being east) but we are getting very fussy now!
Yeah Bar One used to be a great spot but it just lost the crowd for no reason in particular. On a quick count I make it only 25 pubs in town at the minute, that's including the Mitchels, Hogs Heaven, TF, Welcome Inn and not including pubs in villages outside. There's only one pub left on Spencer Street - Tolsters. Only four on Main Street. An awful lot of those still open are struggling to keep going too.
Regarding the game itself, I take it at this stage there won't be a team until Sunday because of the Under 21 game? That must mean that Robert Hennelly, Aidan O'Shea, Cathal Freeman, Cillian O'Connor etc are in the reckoning. I would hope that none of them start on Sunday.
Anyone know whether Mid West Radio will be covering the game?
Without going any further off topic, Breaffy is east but most people think its south east because they assune the Dublin Road/N5 goes due east, which it doesn't at all.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.85602,-9.296322&spn=0.024148,0.084372&z=14
25 pubs is about right for Castlebar these days. Most of them are within a 5 minute walk of each other from Mick Byrnes down to Johnny's. Spencer Street and the Mall used to be a great spot before and after Mayo games during the summer, but not anymore since all the pubs closed down there.
The game will definitely be on Mid West, all Mayo league games are covered, this will be one of the few Mayo games not televised either live or delayed this year. Which is annoying when you're out of the country like I am at the moment.
I think this will be a tough game but I reckon we'll squeeze home for the two points which will hopefully take some of the pressure off the Dublin and Cork games.
Anywhere online to listen to this? Wont be travelling.
Reading on the Armagh board that MF'er Toner is dodgy with 'flu/cold. Would be a huge loss if it comes to pass, he'd be our man for McGarrity, his replacement Lavery is very hit and miss - hopefully has a good 'un if required. :-\
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Anyone know whether Mid West Radio will be covering the game?
Mad Whesht will be indeed covering the game. I'm looking forward to this game to be honest. Hoping for a Mayo double over Ros in the u-21s and against Armagh in the league. However, my hopes are often dashed. I'm not sure what state the pitch will be in if this weather continues.
Any word on the Mayo team?
Cheers lads for confirming the radio broadcast. Benny - Mid West is available online.
When will the Mayo team be announced.or is Horan waiting till after the u21s game.
Quote from: parkoncrokie on March 12, 2011, 12:27:31 AM
When will the Mayo team be announced.or is Horan waiting till after the u21s game.
At this stage, he must be waiting til after the Under21s.
Ah iM Goin ta pick the team myself as im tired and wanta go to da cot
1 K O Malley
2 T CUNNIFF
3 G Cafferky
4 C Barrett
5 R Feeney
6 J Burke
7 P Gardiner
8 R McGarrety
9 J Gibbons
10 A Campbell
11 A Dillon
12 K McLoughlan
13 A Freeman
14 A Moran
15 J Doherty
Mayo Team to play Armagh:
1) Kenneth O'Malley
2) Tom Cunniffe 3) Cathal Hallinan 4) Chris Barrett
5) Peadar Gardiner 6) Ger Cafferkey 7) Ruadhiri O'Connor
8) Tom Parsons 9) Jason Gibbons
10) Aidan Campbell 11) Alan Dillon 12) Kevin McLoughlin
13) Aidan Kilcoyne 14) Andy Moran 15) Jason Doherty
Quote from: maguire 4 mayo on March 12, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Mayo Team to play Armagh:
1) Kenneth O'Malley
2) Tom Cunniffe 3) Cathal Hallinan 4) Chris Barrett
5) Peadar Gardiner 6) Ger Cafferkey 7) Ruadhiri O'Connor
8) Tom Parsons 9) Jason Gibbons
10) Aidan Campbell 11) Alan Dillon 12) Kevin McLoughlin
13) Aidan Kilcoyne 14) Andy Moran 15) Jason Doherty
Is this the actual team or just your own suggestion?
That's the official team Lar - here are the subs (taken from mayogaablog)
Robert Hennelly (Breaffy)
Richie Feeney (Castlebar Mitchels)
James Burke (Ballymun Kickhams, Dublin)
James Kilcullen (Ballaghaderreen)
Ronan McGarrity (Ballina Stephenites)
Enda Varley (Garrymore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Mark Ronaldson (Shrule-Glencorrib)
Neil Douglas (Castlebar Mitchels)
David Killeen (Ballinrobe).
Trying a bit of rotation then with Parsons and O'Connor getting a chance to impress. Unsurprisingly, no under-21s picked to start. Plenty of good bench options if they're needed.
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Quote from: maguire 4 mayo on March 12, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Mayo Team to play Armagh:
1) Kenneth O'Malley
2) Tom Cunniffe 3) Cathal Hallinan 4) Chris Barrett
5) Peadar Gardiner 6) Ger Cafferkey 7) Ruadhiri O'Connor
8) Tom Parsons 9) Jason Gibbons
10) Aidan Campbell 11) Alan Dillon 12) Kevin McLoughlin
13) Aidan Kilcoyne 14) Andy Moran 15) Jason Doherty
Is this the actual team or just your own suggestion?
actual team.
Ronan McGarrity not starting???
Quote from: maguire 4 mayo on March 12, 2011, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 12, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: maguire 4 mayo on March 12, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Mayo Team to play Armagh:
1) Kenneth O'Malley
2) Tom Cunniffe 3) Cathal Hallinan 4) Chris Barrett
5) Peadar Gardiner 6) Ger Cafferkey 7) Ruadhiri O'Connor
8) Tom Parsons 9) Jason Gibbons
10) Aidan Campbell 11) Alan Dillon 12) Kevin McLoughlin
13) Aidan Kilcoyne 14) Andy Moran 15) Jason Doherty
Is this the actual team or just your own suggestion?
actual team.
Ronan McGarrity not starting???
A good idea to leave him out for a game I think. Obviously he's a nailed on championship starter for us, but if he gets injured we'll have to try other partnerships so giving our next best midfield pair a run makes sense. Also don't think Parsons has got enough game time for us this year - he seems to be playing good stuff.
We went with the same team week after week last year in the league and learned nothing from it so trying out options this year is the right way to go (even if it costs us league points, which it might well do).
Yeah, Parsons is due a start in fairness and no harm to see more of Gibbons either so it makes sense to rest McGarrity, who has nailed down his spot imo. Chris Barrett is getting a decent go at corner-back too but I think our only definite starters in defence so far are Ger Caff and Tom Cunniffe at 6 and 2. But a good gallop of names not far off that either.
Of the team that went to the programme, Robert Hennelly (1), Richie Feeney (5) and Enda Varley (13) were all picked to start but have been replaced by O'Malley, Gardiner and Kilcoyne respectively. I wonder what the story there was?
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I can remember Mayo and Armagh playing in a league Q/F double header in the mid 80s but not against each other.
I can remember Armagh getting well beaten by Loais I think. I can still see joey cunningham scoring a fisted point that day which was disallowed. I think the score was 0-15 to 1-7 or 1-8.
Mayos game that day was against Monaghan (I think, could be wrong) and was a lot closer. I think it was 0-9 to 0-8. I cant remember who won to be honest only that it was a lot tighter than the first match.
Can anyone else remember these two league QFS?
30th March 1986 League Quarter-Final:
Mayo 0-15 Armagh 1-7
20th April 1986 League Semi-Final:
Monaghan 0-10 Mayo 1-6
Thanks muppet. I could of swore Loais beat us that day but hey there you go, It was Mayo. The alzheimers must be catching up with me. I thought it was a double header.
That Mayo defeat was a double header in Croke Park - in the match before, Dublin and Meath played out a thriller. The ground then emptied. We scored a goal in the first minute or two - Joe Kernan scoring a great solo goal into the Canal End - and then Mayo took over for the remainder - terrible game, and we were well beaten.
Any links to the game lads?
http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html (http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html) for radio coverage, its not televised.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 13, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html (http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html) for radio coverage, its not televised.
Cheers
Armagh 1-00 Mayo 0-01
Poor stuff from Mid West this weekend, didn't do a commentary for the Under 21 game yesterday and missed the first two minutes and the Armagh goal today playing adverts instead.
Armagh playing with a strong breeze in the 1st half!
Another hammering on the cards here ;D
Its the Down game all over again.
2.3 to 2 to Armagh :o
Mayo a division 3 team at best and this shows.
I was just thinking no matter how bad the weather it is, it could never be an 8 point wind.
6 points gives us a bit of a chance though. good that we've found a goal poacher for the team.
Now, do we continue the no McGarrity experiment or do we just accept that we know now that without him we're fucked and throw him in there?
EDIT: Mayo selector says there will be 2 or 3 changes at half time. McGarrity and Richie Feeney on I'd say.
2.6 to 1.3, last in goal for Mayo, balls.
We played better v Monaghan into the wind, so hopefully that might help us.
Error ridden show from both sides. Armagh had a strong wind, 6 point lead may not be enough in the second half.
Mayo will win this!
More bullshit from Mid West and they miss the first two scores of the second half.
Fcuk the Mayo stages rally.
2-7 to 1-5 to Armagh
2-8
1-5
Armagh
Can't believe they haven't sorted out the 45s issue, Kilcoyne should be well able to hit them.
2-8 Armagh
1-7 Mayo
2-8 Armagh
1-8 Mayo
2-8 Armagh
1-9 Mayo
One point game. 10 to go.
Bringing on Johnny Murtagh ??? ??? joke
Quote from: bennydorano on March 13, 2011, 03:52:40 PM
Bringing on Johnny Murtagh ??? ??? joke
Just got a point
2-9 Armagh
1-10 Mayo
2-10 Armagh
1-10 Mayo
McKeever
Armagh won
Game over - bad weekend for us.
Looks like we'll be going to Inniskeen in a few weeks desperately needing something to stay up. Relegation was always going to be a possibility with all the expermientation though.
Well done Armagh, that's a fine win.
Listening to a different perspective on mid-west radio it probably does show that Amagh supporters are far far too hard on ourselves. They accentuated our positives whereas we (naturally enough) concentrate on our deficiencies.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 13, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
Well done Armagh, that's a fine win.
Listening to a different perspective on mid-west radio it probably does show that Amagh supporters are far far too hard on ourselves. They accentuated our positives whereas we (naturally enough) concentrate on our deficiencies.
Care to elaborate on what was said Benny?
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Quote from: bennydorano on March 13, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
Well done Armagh, that's a fine win.
Listening to a different perspective on mid-west radio it probably does show that Amagh supporters are far far too hard on ourselves. They accentuated our positives whereas we (naturally enough) concentrate on our deficiencies.
Care to elaborate on what was said Benny?
Appartently we are up there with the best!
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Quote from: bennydorano on March 13, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
Well done Armagh, that's a fine win.
Listening to a different perspective on mid-west radio it probably does show that Amagh supporters are far far too hard on ourselves. They accentuated our positives whereas we (naturally enough) concentrate on our deficiencies.
Care to elaborate on what was said Benny?
Very strong around MF. Also about our defensive set-up when our backs were against the wall, our physicality, Vernon's driving forward into the wind, a lot of which we give off about :)
edit. Mid-west gave Vernon MOTM
charlie vernon named m.o.m on madwhest.
Vitial win and one i wasn't sure we'd secure.
Well done Armagh
Nice to get the win, still have it all to do with kerry and cork last two games
Despite the errors, this was an important win for Armagh 2-10 to Mayo 1-10. A bit of the same next week would be nice!
The Armagh lads getting all exited about beating the Perennial losers ;D
Charlie Vernon was immense, put in a serious display. Stevie McDonnell was excellent too. Mayo left themselves with too much to do when we went eight points behind in the first half. That said we got the gap to one point with ten minutes to go but that was our last score and Armagh showed admirable wherewithal and composure in closing the game out. Very physical too, really outmuscled a lot of the Mayo players. Conditions didn't help either.
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The Armagh lads getting all exited about beating the Perennial losers ;D
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Disappointing. Didn t like the selection for this one. I know we re in a development phase but it is important to win home games and stay up. I particularly liked our halfback line the last day as they were the springboard for our attacks and would have left them together for this one. Our midfield was too similar and too nice. If there was a game to try Kilcullen then this was it. The Galway selection would have won this I feel. Saying that it is worrying that when we got back to a point with 15 to go, and a storm at our back, that we could not kick on and we finished tamely like we did against Kerry. There is still a absence of craft and real leadership around and our use of some good possession in the final quarter is way below what is required at this level. Depressing that we were reduced to hoofing high ball in to try and rescue a point at home.
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
I suppose he has had to try things because he was left without any foundation. I have been a little disappointed successes like the Feeneys and Burke have not been given more time to consolidate. On the other hand Campbell has prospered with matches. I believe todays game was winnnable with a different selection but maybe winning was not the be all.
On a different note it was good to see Billy Joe give such an assured performance today. i thought he did very well at centre back and as a sweeper as well.
Am I the only one who thinks Gardiner had a stinker? F'in hell the amount of ball he gave away and the fact the armagh forward seemed to run through him for their first goal seems to me that he's not as good as he was anyway. As well as that, having 3 45 kickers and none of them really able to say for sure I'm the main one leaves us with a lot to ponder next week in Croke Park.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
If there's any more lots of chopping and changing, I will be getting worried. We need the team that played against Galway going full tilt next week and it still probably won't be enough. Fair enough there was the U-21 match yesterday but we're out of that now as well so we can concentrate on this now I suppose.
Quote from: maddog on March 13, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
Nice to get the win, still have it all to do with kerry and cork last two games
We have Galway in between those matches, if we win that one we'd have a good chance of staying up which would be fine achievement missing 3/4 important players to us.
Not long home, long journey but well worth it. We were good value for our win.
Vernon and Dyas went very well. Charlie's ability to carry the ball into the wind was a real saver in the second half. Thought Kevin Dyas defended well and carried the ball out of defence to good effect also.
We conceded another softish goal with McEvoy beat at his near post. Both Duffy and B Mallon took their goals really well. There was a bit more movement in the forward line which was encouraging and the substitutions worked well. Nippy and B Mallon couldn't complain about being called ashore when they were. Murtagh took his point well and Grugan looked sharp and was unlucky with a great effort into the wind.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Gardiner had a stinker? F'in hell the amount of ball he gave away and the fact the armagh forward seemed to run through him for their first goal seems to me that he's not as good as he was anyway. As well as that, having 3 45 kickers and none of them really able to say for sure I'm the main one leaves us with a lot to ponder next week in Croke Park.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
If there's any more lots of chopping and changing, I will be getting worried. We need the team that played against Galway going full tilt next week and it still probably won't be enough. Fair enough there was the U-21 match yesterday but we're out of that now as well so we can concentrate on this now I suppose.
You re probably not if opinion around me today was anything to go by. The thing that surprised me was that Horan changed the wing men from the Galway game.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Gardiner had a stinker? F'in hell the amount of ball he gave away and the fact the armagh forward seemed to run through him for their first goal seems to me that he's not as good as he was anyway. As well as that, having 3 45 kickers and none of them really able to say for sure I'm the main one leaves us with a lot to ponder next week in Croke Park.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
If there's any more lots of chopping and changing, I will be getting worried. We need the team that played against Galway going full tilt next week and it still probably won't be enough. Fair enough there was the U-21 match yesterday but we're out of that now as well so we can concentrate on this now I suppose.
I'd let him chop and change to his heart's content. This is Horan's chance to look at players when losses don't mean anything. If Mayo get relegated to Division 2 what of it? Derry, Donegal, Meath, Kildare and Tyrone are all in Division 2. Doesn't seem that much like falling off a cliff to me.
Horan has to look at different men in different positions. More luck to him. Besides, there are plenty of teams near enough the drop. I wouldn't worry about it at all. The real bullets aren't fired for months yet.
I feel that Aiden O' Shea needs to be given a run in midfield alongside Ronan Mcgarrity. His performancefor the under 21's in this position was top class and he seems to be far more at home in the middle than in the forwards. Mcgarrity would compliment him well as he is more of a defensive type.
I expect to see Horans best team in his opinion from here on in. Time to settle on a team now with only a few weeks left until championship time.
How about the two O' Shes in the middle with Mcgarrity at full back. I reckon Ronan could be a good full back and could be worth a run in position that is of real concern.
Quote from: saffronandblue on March 13, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
I feel that Aiden O' Shea needs to be given a run in midfield alongside Ronan Mcgarrity. His performancefor the under 21's in this position was top class and he seems to be far more at home in the middle than in the forwards. Mcgarrity would compliment him well as he is more of a defensive type.
I expect to see Horans best team in his opinion from here on in. Time to settle on a team now with only a few weeks left until championship time.
How about the two O' Shes in the middle with Mcgarrity at full back. I reckon Ronan could be a good full back and could be worth a run in position that is of real concern.
This is it exactly. Look at different men in different positions while you have a chance. Three games left. Time to make the most of them.
Important two points, which, allied with the two you'd expected from the Galway game, should keep us up.
Very difficult to evaluate the amount of Armagh improvement today given how absolutely woeful Mayo were. They're easily the poorest team we've faced to date in the league. The conditions also had a strong baring on proceedings, with a combination of the wet conditions and a terrible surface leaving players repeatedly struggling to keep their feet. There were handling errors aplenty on both sides too.
Armagh went back to the sweeper system today, using Padden as an auxiliary CHB. Although a much maligned system, I felt that the extra security at the back gave us much better structure and organisation. Swift went into a two man FF line with McDonnell, with Mallon and O'Rourke dropping out to the HF line.
Didn't think it was McEvoy's finest hour. Seemed to sell himself for the Mayo goal, diving far too early and effectively leaving an open goal for the Mayo lad to trickle the ball into. He also committed the cardinal sin of allowing a point bounce over his bar in the second half.
Thought the defence benefited from the ref's lenient approach. They were their usual handsy selves, but the ref was allowing a fair bit of contact in the tackle, which suited us very well.
In the FB line, Moriarty hadn't much to do. Donaghy got turned once or twice but improved as the match webt on. Mallon seemed to come under the most pressure but I think he did alright on a very lively corner forward.
Thought the two wing backs ha very good games. Duffy was full of running and picked up a pile of ball around the middle. His goal was a screamer too. Big improvement from him. Dyas' ability on the ball got us out of a few sticky situations too. McKeever was a bit of a mixed bag. Great point at the end, but handed Mayo two of their own before that with sloppy handy passes. Padden had a strong game in the sweeper role. Got caught out for pace a bit in our FB line for the Mayo goal, but aside from that he was very effective. Repeatedly well positioned to pick up loose ball around the backline.
In midfield Vernon stole the show. Thought he was excellent, continuing a string of strong displays this year. His running can be aimless and counterproductive at times, but today, especially against the breeze, it was a vital asset, getting us away from midfield rucks and and into the Mayo half. His fielding was very good too. Toner was quiet enough before his HT removal, though he did hit a rare point. Don't think he should be overly concerned about losing his place to Lavery, who wasn't particularly impressive in the second half. Fumbled a few balls and seemed a bit laboured.
Mackin had a solid game in the HF line. Had his usual quota of fumbles but also helped out well around the middle and made a lot of good forward runs. Mallon finished off a good move for his goal. Didn't do much else that was that spectacular, kept a few moves ticking along around the HF line. O'Rourke was disappointing. His pace and height don't do him any favours, so he struggles to gather possession at times. We all know he can take a score, but he just doesn't seemed to be able to work himself into scoring positions. I can't remember him having a single shot today.
Swift had a frustrating day. Looked to have the beating of his man, but struggled more than anyone with his handling. He dropped almost everything.
Saving the best til last: Stevie McDonnell. He was immense. A couple of superb points from play, a few more long range frees, perfectly timed lay off for Duffy's goal, even picking up a couple of breaks around the middle. Simply the difference between the two teams.
Grugan and Murtagh came on for the last 10. Murtagh got himself an important point and Grugan hit a couple of wides, but I felt their main contribution was in offering good running outlets at a time when Mayo were closing in. Watters came on in injury time pretty much just to kill a few seconds.
All in all, a better showing from the players and management today, but nothing to get overly excited by. Better than driving home bate though, even the bleak desolation that is Roscommon couldn't bring me down. Confidence should be boosted a bit, and if Cross do the business on Thursday, tails should be up to give Kerry a good crack next weekend.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 13, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Gardiner had a stinker? F'in hell the amount of ball he gave away and the fact the armagh forward seemed to run through him for their first goal seems to me that he's not as good as he was anyway. As well as that, having 3 45 kickers and none of them really able to say for sure I'm the main one leaves us with a lot to ponder next week in Croke Park.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
If there's any more lots of chopping and changing, I will be getting worried. We need the team that played against Galway going full tilt next week and it still probably won't be enough. Fair enough there was the U-21 match yesterday but we're out of that now as well so we can concentrate on this now I suppose.
I'd let him chop and change to his heart's content. This is Horan's chance to look at players when losses don't mean anything. If Mayo get relegated to Division 2 what of it? Derry, Donegal, Meath, Kildare and Tyrone are all in Division 2. Doesn't seem that much like falling off a cliff to me.
Horan has to look at different men in different positions. More luck to him. Besides, there are plenty of teams near enough the drop. I wouldn't worry about it at all. They real bullets aren't fired for months yet.
Hopefully we ll be still standing this year when the real bullets are being fired. Chopping and changing is all very fine but he ll learn very little from it. This team still lacks structure and it begins to look like change for the sake of it. What he needs is a setup with shape where players can knit in and out and the team keeps its shape. Cork and Dublin seem to have achieved this and developed big panels. We still seem to be caught up in the cult of the starter.
A win today was achievable and then there would have been an opportunity to try things. I d prefer to treat these games as test matches. Besides there s the opportunity to use subs during games. Winning is also important in building a team. When you lose nobody is happy, starters or lads in tracksuits
To be honest I don't quite buy into this mindset of chopping and changing for changes sake. James Horan is a smart man who has been around Mayo football long enough to have a fair idea what his best team is, if he doesn't know it by now, I'd wonder if he ever will.
We in Mayo, are not like the footballers of Tyrone and Kerry that can shite around in the league or the early stages of the championship knowing full well that the real stuff starts after the quarter finals of the championship, we've proven time and time again that we're not built for that sort of road, maybe Horan can miracle our lads into that mindset but I think it runs deeper in us.
We should start by winning the matches we should be winning, and if Horan had his best team out it sounds like we had the winning of that game - otherwise we will be long gone when the rest of the boys are playing with the real bullets. It's the way we are.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 13, 2011, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on March 13, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
I feel that Aiden O' Shea needs to be given a run in midfield alongside Ronan Mcgarrity. His performancefor the under 21's in this position was top class and he seems to be far more at home in the middle than in the forwards. Mcgarrity would compliment him well as he is more of a defensive type.
I expect to see Horans best team in his opinion from here on in. Time to settle on a team now with only a few weeks left until championship time.
How about the two O' Shes in the middle with Mcgarrity at full back. I reckon Ronan could be a good full back and could be worth a run in position that is of real concern.
This is it exactly. Look at different men in different positions while you have a chance. Three games left. Time to make the most of them.
I d prefer if a lot of this stuff was thrashed out in training. It s about time frees and 45s were sorted too. Top coaches don t make a call on a selection or a tactic in a test match unless they are pretty sure about it.
Great result today. 1 more win should keep us up which would be a great achievement. On paper Galway should be the easier game but no reason why we can't have a good crack at Kerry.
2 wins so far have came from having to dig deep and even the 2 defeats have went to the wire.
Encouraging to hear Charlie Vernon had another good game. Him and Toner seem to have established themsleves as No1 pairing for Championship.
Quote from: AFS on March 13, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
Better than driving home bate though, even the bleak desolation that is Roscommon couldn't bring me down.
Yeah like Armagh is such a wonderful place ::)
Quote from: Orangemac on March 13, 2011, 11:20:56 PM
Great result today. 1 more win should keep us up which would be a great achievement. On paper Galway should be the easier game but no reason why we can't have a good crack at Kerry.
2 wins so far have came from having to dig deep and even the 2 defeats have went to the wire.
Encouraging to hear Charlie Vernon had another good game. Him and Toner seem to have established themsleves as No1 pairing for Championship.
Charlie had a good game. Started and seemed to spend most of the game at wing forward. Maybe management realised he would have too much for Gardiner. Unbelievably, O Malley put an early kick-out down on top of Gardiner. Guess what happened. Charlie also got a bit of criticism from his countymen about me but he did make some seigebursting runs. Billyfitz gave him MOM so who am I to argue.
Not often we have played Armagh so it was a bit of a novelty today. The Armagh fans gave Enda a great reception. Going to the game on my own I ended up sitting beside a very nice man and his family from near Crossmaglen. They and the other Armagh people nearby were the best of company on a raw, disappointing but enjoyable day.
QuoteArmagh is such a wonderful place
Well said there.
There's one fair county in Ireland
With memories so glorious and grand
Where nature has lavished its bounty
On the orchard of Erin's green landAs for the game, from an Armagh perspective BJP in a sweeper role is a useful innovation, which Mayo fans remarked on. Dyas is improving all the while, Vernon is at last finding his role in midfield. Finn Mo continues to attract yellow cards too easily and O'Rourke hasn't really nailed his place on the team. Mackin did well enough, including some good defensive work.
All to play for when a few AI club championship winners come into the squad.
QuoteThey and the other Armagh people nearby were the best of company on a raw, disappointing but enjoyable day.
True that Armagh and Mayo have rarely played each other. Warm welcome in Castlebar, but the weather was indeed raw.
Afs reckons mayo were woeful, maybe they were but a goal divided the teams in the end.
A fantastic result away today. the heart shown in the final stages and the fillup it might bring the squad can't be underestimated. no reason why we can't take the kingdom next week - particularly looking at the defence they fielded today.
Good to see the team back to defending properly and they showed no little amount of determination. andy's and to a lesser extent donaghy's form is a worry but class is permenant and the summer's the time for then to be firing on all cylinders.
midfield (charlie, toner, bjp & mackin) excelled today and charlie took a lot more correct decisions than incorrect ones - he's a great athlete and a great asset when he's playing like that.
I seem to be in a minority but i thought mallon and o'rourke functioned reasonably well today in the h forward line, both worked v hard to be available to take the ball form the defence - particularly o'rourke. a lot of armagh's good work was linked through them and that is a very necessary and oft missed facet of the game.
Stevie was great. He's virtually unplayable when he's on form. I was a little disappointed with nippy - maybe because i'm starting to expect more from him.
A very heartening performance and good to see the battling qualities back. onwards and upwards!
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2011, 11:50:07 PM
QuoteArmagh is such a wonderful place
Well said there.
There's one fair county in Ireland
With memories so glorious and grand
Where nature has lavished its bounty
On the orchard of Erin's green land
You do know folksongs are fueled on high levels of whiskey? anyways was nothing more than a cheap dig by AFS, no mention of Sligo,Longford or is St brigids influencing his thoughts?
Never travelled today - first match I have missed in about three years but mid west radio gave a very good commentary. Glad to hear Charlie play so well. I assume the flu that Toner was reported to have led to his half time departure. It sounds that Nippy had a tough time. I think he is a very good player but is not particularly suited to full forward. He can do a job but is not comfortable there. I understand that with players missing it may be out of necessity but I hope it does not affect his confidence down the line as we will need him to play well if we are to progress.
Billy Joe spoke very well when interviewed. I do not particularly like players switching counties but he has given Mayo great service and it would be hard to argue that it is glory hunting that made him switch! :D He seems a decent sort too. It was interesting to hear that he played a different role today. Management have been criticised for lack of tactics this year by many fans. Seems that the tactics played in the first three games have changed!
Next week should be interesting. As things stand I think Kerry will find Armagh tough to crack. Will be interesting to see who marks the Gooch and who plays the sweeper role. Will Toner move to full back to pick up Donaghy? I think he is made for him. Brendan Donaghy would then be half back and McKeever sweeper with BJP in midfield. Or, will they let Donaghy pick up Donaghy. Another good match up.
Finally it seems some of our Roscommon friends are getting very tetchy. Hope St Brigids are as nervous!
Quote from: mannix on March 13, 2011, 11:57:48 PM
Afs reckons mayo were woeful, maybe they were but a goal divided the teams in the end.
I got the impression that the Armagh players were kinda surprised how easily they killed out the game. Mayo had the lions share of possession for most of the game but could hardly string a pass together in the last ten minutes when the game was there to be won or lost. Familiar? We chopped and changed but again today the subs changed nothing.
Horan has done well so far imo. But maybe he feels under pressure to come up with a new bill for every show. After Galway he had done enough to consolidate - there was considerable successful development and in a short space of time and a result should have been the priority today. The successes and redevelopment were. Cuniffe at 2, Hallihan/Feeney at 3, Feeney at 5, Caff at 6, Burke at 7, McGar at midfield, Campbell at10, McLoughlin at 12, Doherty at 15. That was a fair bit of development to be going on with. And it was working.
Quote from: AFS on March 13, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
Important two points, which, allied with the two you'd expected from the Galway game, should keep us up.
Very difficult to evaluate the amount of Armagh improvement today given how absolutely woeful Mayo were. They're easily the poorest team we've faced to date in the league. The conditions also had a strong baring on proceedings, with a combination of the wet conditions and a terrible surface leaving players repeatedly struggling to keep their feet. There were handling errors aplenty on both sides too.
Armagh went back to the sweeper system today, using Padden as an auxiliary CHB. Although a much maligned system, I felt that the extra security at the back gave us much better structure and organisation. Swift went into a two man FF line with McDonnell, with Mallon and O'Rourke dropping out to the HF line.
Didn't think it was McEvoy's finest hour. Seemed to sell himself for the Mayo goal, diving far too early and effectively leaving an open goal for the Mayo lad to trickle the ball into. He also committed the cardinal sin of allowing a point bounce over his bar in the second half.
Thought the defence benefited from the ref's lenient approach. They were their usual handsy selves, but the ref was allowing a fair bit of contact in the tackle, which suited us very well.
In the FB line, Moriarty hadn't much to do. Donaghy got turned once or twice but improved as the match webt on. Mallon seemed to come under the most pressure but I think he did alright on a very lively corner forward.
Thought the two wing backs ha very good games. Duffy was full of running and picked up a pile of ball around the middle. His goal was a screamer too. Big improvement from him. Dyas' ability on the ball got us out of a few sticky situations too. McKeever was a bit of a mixed bag. Great point at the end, but handed Mayo two of their own before that with sloppy handy passes. Padden had a strong game in the sweeper role. Got caught out for pace a bit in our FB line for the Mayo goal, but aside from that he was very effective. Repeatedly well positioned to pick up loose ball around the backline.
In midfield Vernon stole the show. Thought he was excellent, continuing a string of strong displays this year. His running can be aimless and counterproductive at times, but today, especially against the breeze, it was a vital asset, getting us away from midfield rucks and and into the Mayo half. His fielding was very good too. Toner was quiet enough before his HT removal, though he did hit a rare point. Don't think he should be overly concerned about losing his place to Lavery, who wasn't particularly impressive in the second half. Fumbled a few balls and seemed a bit laboured.
Mackin had a solid game in the HF line. Had his usual quota of fumbles but also helped out well around the middle and made a lot of good forward runs. Mallon finished off a good move for his goal. Didn't do much else that was that spectacular, kept a few moves ticking along around the HF line. O'Rourke was disappointing. His pace and height don't do him any favours, so he struggles to gather possession at times. We all know he can take a score, but he just doesn't seemed to be able to work himself into scoring positions. I can't remember him having a single shot today.
Swift had a frustrating day. Looked to have the beating of his man, but struggled more than anyone with his handling. He dropped almost everything.
Saving the best til last: Stevie McDonnell. He was immense. A couple of superb points from play, a few more long range frees, perfectly timed lay off for Duffy's goal, even picking up a couple of breaks around the middle. Simply the difference between the two teams.
Grugan and Murtagh came on for the last 10. Murtagh got himself an important point and Grugan hit a couple of wides, but I felt their main contribution was in offering good running outlets at a time when Mayo were closing in. Watters came on in injury time pretty much just to kill a few seconds.
All in all, a better showing from the players and management today, but nothing to get overly excited by. Better than driving home bate though, even the bleak desolation that is Roscommon couldn't bring me down. Confidence should be boosted a bit, and if Cross do the business on Thursday, tails should be up to give Kerry a good crack next weekend.
Not sure Cross' result is going to have any impact at all on a side that may well be entirely made up of non-Cross men. Can't see most of our lads caring much one way or the other. I know I don't.
Fair play to the lads that travelled. I didn't bother myself and very much feel like I've missed out. I know safety is our only real ambition but a victory over Kerry would put us into the shake up for a place in the final!
moyside I'm kinda suprised with how positive you are on that game yesterday.
To me it was very worrying. It was the game we had to win to stay up - now we are in a serious battle that you would expect we will not win. Galway look down, and unless we beat one of Cork or Dublin we may even be relegated by the time it comes to the Monaghan game. I think it was a bad mistake of management to drop two of our most effective players in the league - Hennelly, Richie Feeney and McGarrity - and showed an arrogant and unfounded complacency that we are all too often prone to showing. The performances of each of their replacements can only be described as substandard.
The good points from the managements point of view is that most of the players that they are bringing in are looking good - Richie Feeney, Campbell, Doherty especially. Cunniffe is doing well in the corner. Cafferkey is growing in the centre. Personally I do not think Hallinan and Gibbons are up to the standards of county football. It is also pleasing that different combinations are being tried. We are not sticking with a team from day 1 in the league and letting that carry us through for the year.
What is worrying are the recurring issues and some failures to address some issues that are ongoing problems -
- there is no discernable gameplan which would short up our weaknesses.
- we continue to start games slowly.
- there is no real effort at finding a reliable and consistent freetaker. It was embarassing the number of fellas that had a go yesterday.
- the failure to close out a game - 1 point down playing against the wind with 10 minutes to go and we bottled it again. Its all too predictable and we must be the easiest team in the country to play against. Someday you would just love to be suprised.
We are an average team and James inherited a group without any foundation or confidence. But the future is looking quite bleak - odd Connacht titles and disappointing qualifier days would appear to be our level.
QuoteWe are an average team and James inherited a group without any foundation or confidence. But the future is looking quite bleak - odd Connacht titles and disappointing qualifier days would appear to be our level.
Bring back Johnno, all is forgiven ;)
Excellant result yesterday, sadly didnt get to match because of my own footie. Did there seem to be any sortve a forward system in place or did the boys just play it as they seen it again? just wondering who outve the cross team people would have on the squad? I for 1 would have hearty, morgan, mckeown, ak, mckenna, tk, sk and jamie clarke. I would prob get rid of all our subs atm apart from lavery and grug as por seems to have no faith in them.
Quote from: Barney on March 14, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
moyside I'm kinda suprised with how positive you are on that game yesterday.
To me it was very worrying. It was the game we had to win to stay up - now we are in a serious battle that you would expect we will not win. Galway look down, and unless we beat one of Cork or Dublin we may even be relegated by the time it comes to the Monaghan game. I think it was a bad mistake of management to drop two of our most effective players in the league - Hennelly, Richie Feeney and McGarrity - and showed an arrogant and unfounded complacency that we are all too often prone to showing. The performances of each of their replacements can only be described as substandard.
The good points from the managements point of view is that most of the players that they are bringing in are looking good - Richie Feeney, Campbell, Doherty especially. Cunniffe is doing well in the corner. Cafferkey is growing in the centre. Personally I do not think Hallinan and Gibbons are up to the standards of county football. It is also pleasing that different combinations are being tried. We are not sticking with a team from day 1 in the league and letting that carry us through for the year.
What is worrying are the recurring issues and some failures to address some issues that are ongoing problems -
- there is no discernable gameplan which would short up our weaknesses.
- we continue to start games slowly.
- there is no real effort at finding a reliable and consistent freetaker. It was embarassing the number of fellas that had a go yesterday.
- the failure to close out a game - 1 point down playing against the wind with 10 minutes to go and we bottled it again. Its all too predictable and we must be the easiest team in the country to play against. Someday you would just love to be suprised.
We are an average team and James inherited a group without any foundation or confidence. But the future is looking quite bleak - odd Connacht titles and disappointing qualifier days would appear to be our level.
Moi, positive. Not often I m accused of that.
I think basically I was on much the same line as yourself. I dont think we re a million miles away if we get selection and a gameplan right. As I ve said already I wouldn t be for making changes every week for the hell of it. Things usually evolve by degrees anyway.
Quote from: moysider on March 13, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 13, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Gardiner had a stinker? F'in hell the amount of ball he gave away and the fact the armagh forward seemed to run through him for their first goal seems to me that he's not as good as he was anyway. As well as that, having 3 45 kickers and none of them really able to say for sure I'm the main one leaves us with a lot to ponder next week in Croke Park.
Quote from: ross4life on March 13, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Armagh guys have taken over this thread after todays good win, Question for the Mayo lads.. do you think Horan is doing to much chopping & changing? i suppose he doesn't see the league as a high priority but your not going to strike the right balance with all these changes game after game.
If there's any more lots of chopping and changing, I will be getting worried. We need the team that played against Galway going full tilt next week and it still probably won't be enough. Fair enough there was the U-21 match yesterday but we're out of that now as well so we can concentrate on this now I suppose.
I'd let him chop and change to his heart's content. This is Horan's chance to look at players when losses don't mean anything. If Mayo get relegated to Division 2 what of it? Derry, Donegal, Meath, Kildare and Tyrone are all in Division 2. Doesn't seem that much like falling off a cliff to me.
Horan has to look at different men in different positions. More luck to him. Besides, there are plenty of teams near enough the drop. I wouldn't worry about it at all. They real bullets aren't fired for months yet.
Hopefully we ll be still standing this year when the real bullets are being fired. Chopping and changing is all very fine but he ll learn very little from it. This team still lacks structure and it begins to look like change for the sake of it. What he needs is a setup with shape where players can knit in and out and the team keeps its shape. Cork and Dublin seem to have achieved this and developed big panels. We still seem to be caught up in the cult of the starter.
A win today was achievable and then there would have been an opportunity to try things. I d prefer to treat these games as test matches. Besides there s the opportunity to use subs during games. Winning is also important in building a team. When you lose nobody is happy, starters or lads in tracksuits
Point taken about the importance of winning in building a team. Winning is better than losing. No arguments there.
But Cork and Dublin aren't the best teams to compare with because they've been on the road longer. I think those managers are on their third years, and neither of them took over teams that were as damaged as Mayo. It's early days in this project yet. Wait and see for a bit more.
Quote from: stephenite on March 13, 2011, 11:02:58 PM
To be honest I don't quite buy into this mindset of chopping and changing for changes sake. James Horan is a smart man who has been around Mayo football long enough to have a fair idea what his best team is, if he doesn't know it by now, I'd wonder if he ever will.
We in Mayo, are not like the footballers of Tyrone and Kerry that can shite around in the league or the early stages of the championship knowing full well that the real stuff starts after the quarter finals of the championship, we've proven time and time again that we're not built for that sort of road, maybe Horan can miracle our lads into that mindset but I think it runs deeper in us.
We should start by winning the matches we should be winning, and if Horan had his best team out it sounds like we had the winning of that game - otherwise we will be long gone when the rest of the boys are playing with the real bullets. It's the way we are.
Again, like I was saying to Moysider just now, winning is better than losing. But equally I remember us burning up the league last year and Trevor Mortimor being quoted in the paper about every man knowing his position and responsibilities and that all ended in tears. I wouldn't over-rate winning either.
As for the Kerry and Tyrone comparisons, what interests me about their approach isn't that they choose the front door or back door according to their wishes for that particular year. It's that they don't panic when the ship springs a leak. We lose in the league, ok. We lose in the province, ok. We'll see what happens next. All I'm saying is that it's no harm to keep perspective.
To Barney and Moy,
Im going to disagree with the stuff you both mention about consolidation, chopping and changing as from the start of Horans tenure there was a general consensus that the FBD and league this year was to be used to have a proper look at as many players as possible even it it meant losing a few games. Horan even said it himself so a we need a bit of patience.
The fact is that we are still in an experimental stage and we still are trying to find our best 15. Its totally unfair to new players and older guys trying to hold their place if Mayo try and get a team settled so early in the season and close off their chances off.
Before yesterdays game it would have been unfair not to give the likes of Kilcoyne, Gardiner, Dillon and O Malley their chance to hold their places in the same way it would have been unfair to Parsons, Gibbons, Ruaidhri O Connor, Hallinan and Doherty.
The only thing we do know is that the last 4 years under JOM were completely wasted as we are way behind other counties as regards strength and conditioning as well as not having near enough new players brought in and blodded in JOMs time in charge. I would put us a season or two behind in those regards so we still have so much to work on and find out.
Quote from: moysider on March 14, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
The successes and redevelopment were. Cuniffe at 2, Hallihan/Feeney at 3, Feeney at 5, Caff at 6, Burke at 7, McGar at midfield, Campbell at10, McLoughlin at 12, Doherty at 15. That was a fair bit of development to be going on with. And it was working.
Quote from: Barney on March 14, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
I think it was a bad mistake of management to drop two of our most effective players in the league - Hennelly, Richie Feeney and McGarrity...
The good points from the managements point of view is that most of the players that they are bringing in are looking good - Richie Feeney, Campbell, Doherty especially. Cunniffe is doing well in the corner. Cafferkey is growing in the centre. Personally I do not think Hallinan and Gibbons are up to the standards of county football.
Again I cant agree with those statements and sentiments about any sort of successes.... yet. There is still a lot of unknowns,
Was Cunniffe not roasted by Steven McDonnell, who was in line for man of the match for Armagh?
If you look at Richie Feeney, the games he has played well in, his marker has also played very well in (Galway and Down).
McGarrity has played in spells in and come in and out of games, as Gibbons and Parsons did yesterday.
You both mention McGloughlin, who's man got a goal and bombed forward when he wanted to yesterday
Both myself, Ed McGreal and many others through Ruaidhri O Connor did very well in his first start (http://twitter.com/edmcgreal)
Hallinan was one of Mayos best players in the first half and didnt give either of his men as much as a sniff.
In fact, after Armagh pulling him out of positing in the first half (leaving Cuniffe and Barrett inside) which gave Hallinan room to bomb forward,
not only did they substitute Hallinans marker they moved him inside one on one in the second half which Hallinan cleaned his new man again.
Barney were you watching the same match?
Some of the problems I saw was more to do with handling errors, not taking the right options, giving the ball first time, using the man on the shoulder, not taking on the right shot options, not winning breaks and carrying the ball into tackles, not leaving the 50's to Richie Feeney or the goal keeper.
Ill excuse not starting Aidan O Shea as a target man as the U21s were knocked out on Saturday so I wouldnt have blamed him for having a pint (if he did). Same goes for Hennelly who is a better keeper than O Malley IMHO.
- All of the rest can be worked on.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 14, 2011, 12:04:19 AM
andy's and to a lesser extent donaghy's form is a worry but class is permenant and the summer's the time for then to be firing on all cylinders.
I think Andy Mallon did quite well yesterday............think he got dragged inside to cover off a loose man to leave Padden on his man for the goal alright but other than that he did well. He got turned early in the second half by his man and a goal looked to be on the cards but he recovered well and just conceded a point. He has set high standards for himself in the past and he appears to be recovering from his nightmare year last year.
Another man that has come under criticism from some posters is McGurn. It is noticeable that we have started to finish our games on the front foot and James Horan remarked on our physicality after the game, a trait that we had lost for a few years, good to hear it being referred to again. Hopefully McGurn has learnt well from last year and the improvement in fitness and conditioning continues.
Tactically our shape was much better yesterday with our defenders not as exposed something that will be of great importance against Gooch and Donaghy.
Assuming there isn't a draw on Thursday, I'd say Hearty and Jamie Clarke will come straight in. It'll be interesting what happens with AK.
A week of doom and gloom it is so.
Guys any updates on Ronan Clarke, I recall in his interview he said he was gearing towards Monaghan, then POR said that he wouldnt be ready for another few weeks,indeed if i am correct he was going to play a few club games first.This seems to have gone very quiet with a game next weekend in which I anticipate he wont be playing and then only two games left in the league season and more importantly only 10 weeks til the championship.
R we being too optimistic with regards his return
Quote from: muppet on March 14, 2011, 12:24:57 PM
A week of doom and gloom it is so.
A depressing weekend it hasto be said. But i think we can look forward to the Dublin match with some optimism.
Quote from: moysider on March 14, 2011, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 14, 2011, 12:24:57 PM
A week of doom and gloom it is so.
A depressing weekend it hasto be said. But i think we can look forward to the Dublin match with some optimism.
Of course we can!
Some of us only give up our optimism at the final whistle of the summer.
Some give it up early in the summer.
Some don't make it to the end of March.
Quote from: naka on March 14, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Guys any updates on Ronan Clarke, I recall in his interview he said he was gearing towards Monaghan, then POR said that he wouldnt be ready for another few weeks,indeed if i am correct he was going to play a few club games first.This seems to have gone very quiet with a game next weekend in which I anticipate he wont be playing and then only two games left in the league season and more importantly only 10 weeks til the championship.
R we being too optimistic with regards his return
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=143968
Quote from: BerfArmagh on March 14, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: naka on March 14, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Guys any updates on Ronan Clarke, I recall in his interview he said he was gearing towards Monaghan, then POR said that he wouldnt be ready for another few weeks,indeed if i am correct he was going to play a few club games first.This seems to have gone very quiet with a game next weekend in which I anticipate he wont be playing and then only two games left in the league season and more importantly only 10 weeks til the championship.
R we being too optimistic with regards his return
great news
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=143968
great news
Quote from: naka on March 14, 2011, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on March 14, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: naka on March 14, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Guys any updates on Ronan Clarke, I recall in his interview he said he was gearing towards Monaghan, then POR said that he wouldnt be ready for another few weeks,indeed if i am correct he was going to play a few club games first.This seems to have gone very quiet with a game next weekend in which I anticipate he wont be playing and then only two games left in the league season and more importantly only 10 weeks til the championship.
R we being too optimistic with regards his return
great news
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=143968
great news
There's nothing specific in it. We've been hearing he's coming back for a long time. Maybe some of the Ogs posters could brighten our day with something specific.
Quote from: mannix on March 13, 2011, 11:57:48 PM
Afs reckons mayo were woeful, maybe they were but a goal divided the teams in the end.
Genuinely felt Mayo were the poorest opposition we've faced to date. Perhaps it was just an especially poor day for yous. We only won by a goal because we're no great shakes ourselves.
Quote from: ross4life on March 14, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2011, 11:50:07 PM
QuoteArmagh is such a wonderful place
Well said there.
There's one fair county in Ireland
With memories so glorious and grand
Where nature has lavished its bounty
On the orchard of Erin's green land
You do know folksongs are fueled on high levels of whiskey? anyways was nothing more than a cheap dig by AFS, no mention of Sligo,Longford or is St brigids influencing his thoughts?
Sligo and Longford are lovely.
Who
is St Brigids?
What is wrong with Strokestown?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 14, 2011, 12:51:04 AM
Not sure Cross' result is going to have any impact at all on a side that may well be entirely made up of non-Cross men. Can't see most of our lads caring much one way or the other. I know I don't.
Fair play to the lads that travelled. I didn't bother myself and very much feel like I've missed out. I know safety is our only real ambition but a victory over Kerry would put us into the shake up for a place in the final!
Suppose I'm working on the assumption that at least a couple of Cross lads will be involved.
Quote from: AFS on March 14, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
Quote from: ross4life on March 14, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2011, 11:50:07 PM
QuoteArmagh is such a wonderful place
Well said there.
There's one fair county in Ireland
With memories so glorious and grand
Where nature has lavished its bounty
On the orchard of Erin's green land
You do know folksongs are fueled on high levels of whiskey? anyways was nothing more than a cheap dig by AFS, no mention of Sligo,Longford or is St brigids influencing his thoughts?
Sligo and Longford are lovely.
Who is St Brigids?
What is wrong with Strokestown?
St brigids are a wee footballing club on the banks of the beauitful lough ree & if you happen to be passing through Strokestown again? stop off at Stokestown park house for another truly picturesque sight.
Quote from: AFS on March 14, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: mannix on March 13, 2011, 11:57:48 PM
Afs reckons mayo were woeful, maybe they were but a goal divided the teams in the end.
Genuinely felt Mayo were the poorest opposition we've faced to date. Perhaps it was just an especially poor day for yous. We only won by a goal because we're no great shakes ourselves.
Ah yeah, I don t doubt you for a minute there. We did not look good the last day and on that form we would not survive.
QuoteOf course we can!
Some of us only give up our optimism at the final whistle of the summer.
Some give it up early in the summer.
Some don't make it to the end of March
How are the ladies fixed this year? :o
What was the story with music at McHale park? Before the game there seemed to a trumpet playing bars from Roddy McCordy, the Sash, A Nation once Again and Rule Britannia (the latter would have been better next week for the jackeens). The the national anthem started and stopped after a bit, people kept singing, but the tape came on again from the beginning! Fierce strange, altogether.
When you do experiment and when do you put out your strongest team?
There's a good argument for experimenting when you are against opposition who will not destroy you (Armagh) and not doing too much of it against the likes of Dublin and Cork who could end a couple of fledgling careers very quickly.
The counter argument is that games against Armagh are the games you can win IF you want to stay in Division 1 and experiment away against teams you expect to lose against, lads will have less pressure on them yadda, yadda yadda.
The way to look at yesterday is that if Horan was very concerned with staying in Division 1, he picked the wrong team by not playing Richie Feeney or Ronan McGarrity. And not a horse for the Armagh course in James Kilcullen and possibly Aidan O'Shea.
But clearly Horan isn't too concerned with Division 1 status. I would be of the opinion that Richie Feeney and Ger Cafferkey are nailed down in the half-back line with a spot remaining. James Burke was already auditioned there (whilst not doubting his ability, I don't share Moysider's estimation of his contribution thus far) and so yesterday was a chance for Horan to play two players - Peadar and Ruairi O'Connor - who are also fighting for that spot (I would argue about Kevin McLoughlin for here too but more anon). When Gardiner was in trouble, Feeney was thrown in, although arguably not early enough.
Same goes for midfield. McGarrity is going to start. Yesterday was a chance to give two players a crack at it - Gibbons and Parsons. When Parsons was struggling (I think he did pick up an ankle injury), McGarrity was dispatched. I don't think Horan erred too much in those calls. In the full-back line Tom Cunniffe looks nailed on (despite struggling against McDonnell, as would any defender in Connacht), Cathal Hallinan and Alan Feeney are battling for full-back and Keith Higgins will probably edge Chris Barrett for left-full back. But guys are being given plenty of chances to audition so that an informed decision can be taken.
In the forward line I'd worry a bit more. Our half-forward line really struggled in the physical stakes. Kevin McLoughlin had the greatest difficulty, then Dillon and then Campbell. I'd repeat my concerns about Kevin being so one sided for a number 12 but do think he deserves another go, because Armagh's game certainly doesn't suit him. Alan Dillon was off colour yesterday and while Campbell did compete, he didn't excel.
Andy was good without being great, Doherty showed flashes when he got the chance (his goal was an absolute gem) but poor Killer is really struggling. Just not on his game. We need to see him hit the form of 2009 if he is to nail down a place.
I'd concur with the poster who said Aidan O'Shea is an option at midfield. He was immense there on Saturday for the Under 21s. But don't forget his brother Seamie either, coming back from injury. A suitable foil to McGarrity? Perhaps. And then there's the injured trio of Donal Vaughan, Trevor Howley and Alan Freeman.
Sunday was disappointing but far from terminal. Getting relegated won't be terminal either. But, on the point that losing is not a good habit, what I would most want to avoid now is shipping heavy defeats to Dublin and/or Cork. That would really hurt this team's development. There we need to see a strong Mayo team in my opinion.
Arrived home late last night
AFS has a great summary of the match
Dyas and Vernon were immense - Stevie was stevie - pure class
All in all a great result in awful conditions
I agree with AFS - a few cross lads will take up a few positions
I set a target of 6 points before the league started and we are 2/3's there
Sure we'll give Kerry a go this Sunday and see how it goes
McHale Park is a credit to Mayo - thats one big stand - even had a padded seat - close enough to mr kenny
On a social aspect - had a great weekends craic also
Watched the rugby in rockys then went to Mickey Byrnes for the Down Cork Match
Met Mickey himself - he looked after us well - he's some craic
Ended up back in Rockys and then Coxs to the bitter end - god that coxs place was packed - health and safety nightmare - but it was great craic
Had a great weekend in Castlebar - the warm welcome and hospitality was immense
9 / 10 (deducted one point for the crap weather on sunday lol)
I'll be back .....
Highlights tnag now
Seeing it again there, I was probably a bit harsh on McEvoy for the Mayo goal. It was taken very well, he couldn't have done much more to keep it out.
Just watched the highlights( I didn't travel up) there now and I have to say well played to the boys and management. It looks like weve relieved some of the pressure from the Down game and means we can give Kerry a good rattle with 4 points already in the bag.
That stand in Castlebar looked massive whats the capacity of it?
If there is any good to be taken from yesterdays game its the experience the team
will have gained from playing a big physical team like Armagh and it may in some way prepare
the lads for the Dublin/ Cork Matches especially. I couldnt help thinking it was like watching a Senior team versus A Minor team in relation to physic and Experience/skill.,Having said that who knows what woul happen if we had the wind in the first half and didnt let in the first goal
Quote from: orchard 8195 on March 14, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Excellant result yesterday, sadly didnt get to match because of my own footie. Did there seem to be any sortve a forward system in place or did the boys just play it as they seen it again? just wondering who outve the cross team people would have on the squad? I for 1 would have hearty, morgan, mckeown, ak, mckenna, tk, sk and jamie clarke. I would prob get rid of all our subs atm apart from lavery and grug as por seems to have no faith in them.
I would say Hearty, A Kernan and J Clarke will come into the team.
J Clarke should provide more of a scoring threat. Although 2-10 is a great score 4 of our forwards failed to score yesterday. A Kernan coming into the team could see Dyas who has been a real plus so far moved into the HF line. I would like to see J Clarke in the HF line with either B Mallon who is good close to goal as he proved yesterday or T Kernan in the corner.
HF line with Padden and Mackin might not produce enough scores. We looked good this time last year ( hammering of Donegal away in particular) but when ground hardens speed will become more important than strength.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 14, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
When you do experiment and when do you put out your strongest team?
There's a good argument for experimenting when you are against opposition who will not destroy you (Armagh) and not doing too much of it against the likes of Dublin and Cork who could end a couple of fledgling careers very quickly.
The counter argument is that games against Armagh are the games you can win IF you want to stay in Division 1 and experiment away against teams you expect to lose against, lads will have less pressure on them yadda, yadda yadda.
The way to look at yesterday is that if Horan was very concerned with staying in Division 1, he picked the wrong team by not playing Richie Feeney or Ronan McGarrity. And not a horse for the Armagh course in James Kilcullen and possibly Aidan O'Shea.
But clearly Horan isn't too concerned with Division 1 status. I would be of the opinion that Richie Feeney and Ger Cafferkey are nailed down in the half-back line with a spot remaining. James Burke was already auditioned there (whilst not doubting his ability, I don't share Moysider's estimation of his contribution thus far) and so yesterday was a chance for Horan to play two players - Peadar and Ruairi O'Connor - who are also fighting for that spot (I would argue about Kevin McLoughlin for here too but more anon). When Gardiner was in trouble, Feeney was thrown in, although arguably not early enough.
Same goes for midfield. McGarrity is going to start. Yesterday was a chance to give two players a crack at it - Gibbons and Parsons. When Parsons was struggling (I think he did pick up an ankle injury), McGarrity was dispatched. I don't think Horan erred too much in those calls. In the full-back line Tom Cunniffe looks nailed on (despite struggling against McDonnell, as would any defender in Connacht), Cathal Hallinan and Alan Feeney are battling for full-back and Keith Higgins will probably edge Chris Barrett for left-full back. But guys are being given plenty of chances to audition so that an informed decision can be taken.
In the forward line I'd worry a bit more. Our half-forward line really struggled in the physical stakes. Kevin McLoughlin had the greatest difficulty, then Dillon and then Campbell. I'd repeat my concerns about Kevin being so one sided for a number 12 but do think he deserves another go, because Armagh's game certainly doesn't suit him. Alan Dillon was off colour yesterday and while Campbell did compete, he didn't excel.
Andy was good without being great, Doherty showed flashes when he got the chance (his goal was an absolute gem) but poor Killer is really struggling. Just not on his game. We need to see him hit the form of 2009 if he is to nail down a place.
I'd concur with the poster who said Aidan O'Shea is an option at midfield. He was immense there on Saturday for the Under 21s. But don't forget his brother Seamie either, coming back from injury. A suitable foil to McGarrity? Perhaps. And then there's the injured trio of Donal Vaughan, Trevor Howley and Alan Freeman.
Sunday was disappointing but far from terminal. Getting relegated won't be terminal either. But, on the point that losing is not a good habit, what I would most want to avoid now is shipping heavy defeats to Dublin and/or Cork. That would really hurt this team's development. There we need to see a strong Mayo team in my opinion.
Quick question for you sniper - is d killeen still in james horan's plans for full back. saw his name on the program the last day but hadn't seen his name on panels for awhile up till that. From being down south i'd go to see neale / ballinrobe games when i'm back so like to keep informed as to how them lads are going. i know k o malley is strugglin from posts on here to date.
David Killeen is still involved Southsider and I neglected to mention him on the basis he doesn't appear to be too high in picking order. I rate him and think he deserves at least one start before a final verdict is made. But right now Alan Feeney and Cathal Hallinan appear to be at the top of the queue.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 15, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
David Killeen is still involved Southsider and I neglected to mention him on the basis he doesn't appear to be too high in picking order. I rate him and think he deserves at least one start before a final verdict is made. But right now Alan Feeney and Cathal Hallinan appear to be at the top of the queue.
cheers for the update
Quote from: southsider on March 15, 2011, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 15, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
David Killeen is still involved Southsider and I neglected to mention him on the basis he doesn't appear to be too high in picking order. I rate him and think he deserves at least one start before a final verdict is made. But right now Alan Feeney and Cathal Hallinan appear to be at the top of the queue.
cheers for the update
SouthSider,
A lot of people I talk to agree its a shame the likes of Killeen and the McAndrew guy from Kilcommen were not picked up earlier in their careers, say in their early 20's or even before that when they could have developed themselves with county training and all that comes with it.
If im not mistaken they are both in their late 20's now (McAndrew maybe older) and unless they are exceptional late bloomers I guess it might be a bit late for them and it could be harder to make any major impressions on the senior inter county team... but you never know.
If the nets were cast wide enough in the past, maybe these guys and more would have been discovered on time. Its a shame really. :(
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 15, 2011, 02:30:27 PM
Quote from: southsider on March 15, 2011, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 15, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
David Killeen is still involved Southsider and I neglected to mention him on the basis he doesn't appear to be too high in picking order. I rate him and think he deserves at least one start before a final verdict is made. But right now Alan Feeney and Cathal Hallinan appear to be at the top of the queue.
cheers for the update
SouthSider,
A lot of people I talk to agree its a shame the likes of Killeen and the McAndrew guy from Kilcommen were not picked up earlier in their careers, say in their early 20's or even before that when they could have developed themselves with county training and all that comes with it.
If im not mistaken they are both in their late 20's now (McAndrew maybe older) and unless they are exceptional late bloomers I guess it might be a bit late for them and it could be harder to make any major impressions on the senior inter county team... but you never know.
If the nets were cast wide enough in the past, maybe these guys and more would have been discovered on time. Its a shame really. :(
Killeen is older I think. He's 28 this year if I'm not mistaken. And I would say he's a late developer who would have been hard to catch earlier. McAndrew is another matter. He played centre-half back on the Mayo Under 21 team in 2005 (which would make him 26 this year) and played on the Mayo Juniors most years since. But the lack of him playing with a 'high profile' club hindered him, which is the fault of senior management and the structures, rather than him, of course. I get the feeling that has changed.
I wouldn't give up on Killeen at all yet. McAndrew maybe, because he struggles for pace.
BJ Padden was intervied on Newstalk last night. Came across very well. Intelligent and level headed but at the same time ambitious and determined. I imagine he'll be playing intercounty football for a good few years yet.