Let the battle commence!
Doherty and mullen will be back from suspension. freeman wont.
ffs ..what another sh1te draw for monaghan...at least its at home.
It's all Dick Clerkin's fault!
Hopefully both teams will learn and try and play football this time as they found out what happened the last time they met.
I wonder what banner the Monaghan fans will have next week for Brolly.
Deadly. Such a run of draws, even the big man in the sky hates Monaghan.
Monaghan at home? Have to get to this.
Not another 2 threads running in this qualifier too...
make this one the main..
Quote from: donelli on July 05, 2009, 06:18:13 PM
Doherty and mullen will be back from suspension. freeman wont.
ffs ..what another sh1te draw for monaghan...at least its at home.
We feel exactly the same - what another shite draw for Derry!! The wife said 'If you get Wicklow we could all go away for the weekend.' Can't see her wanting to go to Clones for the weekend.
Don't get me wrong. I love Clones but I'd have preferred any other team to Monaghan.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 05, 2009, 06:24:07 PM
Not another 2 threads running in this qualifier too...
make this one the main..
Why? Mine was made first.
yours is the wrong way around Monaghan were first out of the hat ;D ;D ;D
Someone really doesn't like us up there! F**king Derry again, what way will this one end up? :-\
Oh to get a team outside of Ulster and Kerry...
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 05, 2009, 06:24:07 PM
Not another 2 threads running in this qualifier too...
make this one the main..
Why? Mine was made first.
Posting on 30th June when the draw is only made today is cheating. :P
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
Someone really doesn't like us up there! F**king Derry again, what way will this one end up? :-\
Oh to get a team outside of Ulster and Kerry...
cavan would have been ok!!
this draw will show how good monaghan are/aren't.. :D
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Agree completely
Doubt about Cassidy has set in too
It'll be Monaghans to lose
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on June 30, 2009, 09:51:52 PM
So, can we pick thing up from that disastrous effort v Tyrone?
Back on the panel are:
Defs
Doc
Mullan
Patsy Bradley
Mc Cusker
Maybes
Muldoon
Cartin
A lot of things went wrong for us the last day, but look what happened in 07 we ended up in Croker and came with in a whisker of beating the Dubs.
All being well, my team would be:
1. Gillis
2. Lockhart
3. Mc Cusker
4. Mc Guckin
5. Sean Leo
6. Barry Mc Goldrick
7. Geard O Kane
8. Doc
9. Patsy Bradley
10.Brian Mullan
11. Enda Muldoon
12. Enda Lynn
13.Seamus Bradley
14. PB
15. Skinner
Dropped:
Browner (Just not county Standard)
Chrissy Mc Kaigue (Usually the freeman v Tyrone but never made use with it)
Diver (Harsh but I think that he is a great fielder but he has no scoring power, he kicked about 7 wides v Lavey last night)
Lynch (Has yet to prove himselve, a spell on the sideline could do him the world of good)
Paul Murphy (Can't remember the last time he played well for the county)
The defence more or less explains itself, midfield, we could have Fergal dropping back to cover the defence while covering Midfield, Pasty Bradley covering Midfield and feeding ball in and Enda Muldoon playing as a 3rd attacking midfielder. Lynn and Mullan half forward with Seamus Bradley coming out to half forward leaving the 2 Bradleys in on their own. Lynn if not playing needs to come ff no point taking him off ten minutes before the end- gives the sub very little time to do anything. If things are away up the left, bring Cailean O Boyle into half forward played well when he came on the last day but got little chance to do anything in the time he had.
My questions over that panel would be as follows ...
Is Cartin not gone off the panel?
You need better and stronger half fwds than Lynn and Mullan to beat Monaghan - that was Cassidys problem against Tyrone
You can't drop Diver on one club game and him the best player against Tyrone - he destroyed McGinley - He at least deserves a start minimum.
You need McCloy in at Full Back again McCusker wouldn't last in the full back line after no training all year against a fast Monaghan back.
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Agree completely
Doubt about Cassidy has set in too
It'll be Monaghans to lose
;)
Let's hope this game isn't televised. I propose to let these two sets of muck savages at eachother behind closed doors!
Derry should win this one easy. Tommy's loss is massive - Doherty back is a HUGE boost for Derry.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Totally disagree, Muldoon, Doc, Mullan Mc Cusker, Patsy Bradley all back Monaghan minus Freeman? Think we are more than a match for them.
Derry have had a bad beating against Tyrone, played badly, doubt the management, have no new players since the game - (only lost McCloy and maybe Cartin)
Monaghan just after a tough game that they learned a lot in, have learned how to play without Freeman, have motivation ...
Quote from: orangeman on July 05, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
Derry should win this one easy. Tommy's loss is massive - Doherty back is a HUGE boost for Derry.
Banty was a clown to try and go to the CCCCCC with no legal advice when he sees Doherty back on the field
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
Monaghan learned sweet feck all in last night game, only how to be even more sly when throwing the punches and the underhand tactics. I hope for the sake of football we finally knock them out.
Change the record.
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Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Totally disagree, Muldoon, Doc, Mullan Mc Cusker, Patsy Bradley all back Monaghan minus Freeman? Think we are more than a match for them.
Derry have had a bad beating against Tyrone, played badly, doubt the management, have no new players since the game - (only lost McCloy and maybe Cartin)
Monaghan just after a tough game that they learned a lot in, have learned how to play without Freeman, have motivation ...
Doc, Mullan, Patsy Bradley, Muldoon....?
Monaghan learned sweet feck all in last night game, only how to be even more sly when throwing the punches and the underhand tactics. I hope for the sake of football we finally knock them out.
Mullan & Doc played against Monaghan
Patsy
might be a help - he was shocking last year against Monaghan
Is Muldoon fit to play?
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
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Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
And it will be a battle, not one for the purists, but it will be the live game next week. Monaghan may just shade this as Derry just dont have the stomach for a fight, especially after their display against Tyrone.
Totally disagree, Muldoon, Doc, Mullan Mc Cusker, Patsy Bradley all back Monaghan minus Freeman? Think we are more than a match for them.
Derry have had a bad beating against Tyrone, played badly, doubt the management, have no new players since the game - (only lost McCloy and maybe Cartin)
Monaghan just after a tough game that they learned a lot in, have learned how to play without Freeman, have motivation ...
Doc, Mullan, Patsy Bradley, Muldoon....?
Monaghan learned sweet feck all in last night game, only how to be even more sly when throwing the punches and the underhand tactics. I hope for the sake of football we finally knock them out.
you's are no great addition to football yourselves SDG
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
Well last night was supposed to be that ....
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
It was pretty much expected that this would be Banty's final year anyway. The result of next week's match is unlikely to sway his decision one way or the other.
Monaghan's to lose?! :D
Banty will go after this season is over, I'm sure of that. But he certainly won't want to go at the hands of Derry. He'll have the team fierce fired up for this one! :o
I had to laugh when it was Derry in the away ball.
It was either going to be Kerry or Derry ::)
I enjoyed the last (double) thread pre game with the Armagh posters,
I suppose it's back to basics with this thread.
Glad it's in Clones. The first qual done and dusted will have Monaghan in fine fettle for this one.
The spirit, teamwork and defense are on song, all we need is some final play finesse and better finishing (a mere minor detail).
Pendulum has slightly swung towards Monghan. But probably Derry will be slight favourites.
I think TV3 will have this game will they?
So no Brolly action.
Should we start a Monaghan/Derry v Kerry thread for the next round?
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Surely you're joking? Even if his first year was a disaster you'd give him more time no? Will yous be looking for Baker to replace him?!
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
Quote from: Main Street on July 05, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
I had to laugh when it was Derry in the away ball.
It was either going to be Kerry or Derry ::)
I enjoyed the last (double) thread pre game with the Armagh posters,
I suppose it's back to basics with this thread.
Glad it's in Clones. The first qual done and dusted will have Monaghan in fine fettle for this one.
The spirit, teamwork and defense are on song, all we need is some final play finesse and better finishing (a mere minor detail).
Pendulum has slightly swung towards Monghan. But probably Derry will be slight favourites.
Yes .... just need to make sure ...
1. The referees don't cop on to Dessie's off the ball stuff
2. Make sure midfield doesn't go to sleep - happened for periods last night
3. Make the half fwd line work harder defending - thought they gave Armagh too long at times to build with no pressure
4. Win more of the long ball that goes into the full forward line - they made Donaghy look like star last night
Backed Derry to go out in the qualifiers at 10/11 during the week, looks like I might not have much of a sweat, could be up afer week one
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2009, 06:55:06 PM
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Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Surely you're joking? Even if his first year was a disaster you'd give him more time no? Will yous be looking for Baker to replace him?!
I'm a neutral!
I just don't think he's got much other than passion and heart to bring to the party - you need good football intelligence to win an AI
Don't think he has it
Bloody hell, the last draw Derry, or even Monaghan, wanted.
Motivationally I think Monaghan might have a slight edge after the last day out and the fallout from that, it sort of reminds of 2001 when Tyrone beat Derry in Ulster Semi and we than put them to the sword in the AI quarters and Tohill in his interview after the game said he felt sorry for Tyrone having to play a team that they had earlier beaten.
The loss of Freeman [wrongly IMO] however will remain a big negative for Monaghan as a sort of a balancing factor.
Glad to see someone implying that Derry are gonna save football, i had a great laugh at that. Have you not seen our matches this year!!
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Patsy
Injuries are a bad excuse - Where was Conleith Gilligan, Wilkinson, McCloy?
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Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2009, 06:55:06 PM
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Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 05, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
if derry win thatll be the end of banty......
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Surely you're joking? Even if his first year was a disaster you'd give him more time no? Will yous be looking for Baker to replace him?!
I'm a neutral!
I just don't think he's got much other than passion and heart to bring to the party - you need good football intelligence to win an AI
Don't think he has it
Right so, just think it'd be very strange for any manager to only get a year, couldn't see it happening.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 07:07:22 PM
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Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Patsy
Injuries are a bad excuse - Where was Conleith Gilligan, Wilkinson, McCloy?
???
Wilkinson and Gilligan aren't even on the panel this year! And DC just didn't put Mc Cloy on.
Exactly
Wilkinson was MOTM for Ballinderry last year ... was perfectly suited for the Tyrone game and style of play + lots of experience
Gilligan could have been a great addition, slow the game down and set up play - see vs Donegal last year
McCloy should have been on after 20 mins (should have started anyway) and gone CB when McGoldrick went to MF
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Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Patsy
Injuries are a bad excuse - Where was Conleith Gilligan, Wilkinson, McCloy?
???
Wilkinson and Gilligan aren't even on the panel this year! And DC just didn't put Mc Cloy on.
Exactly
Wilkinson was MOTM for Ballinderry last year ... was perfectly suited for the Tyrone game and style of play + lots of experience
Gilligan could have been a great addition
McCloy should have been on after 20 mins (should have started anyway) and gone CB when McGoldrick went to MF
Only agree with you on Mc Cloy.
Wilkinson could have been worth a shout against Tyrone only because the half forward line on that day was in complete disarray.
I think Gilligan despite being given plenty of opportunity has never shown his worth on the intercounty stage. Dont think he is worth drafting in.
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Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Patsy
Injuries are a bad excuse - Where was Conleith Gilligan, Wilkinson, McCloy?
???
Wilkinson and Gilligan aren't even on the panel this year! And DC just didn't put Mc Cloy on.
Exactly
Wilkinson was MOTM for Ballinderry last year ... was perfectly suited for the Tyrone game and style of play + lots of experience
Gilligan could have been a great addition
McCloy should have been on after 20 mins (should have started anyway) and gone CB when McGoldrick went to MF
Only agree with you on Mc Cloy.
Wilkinson could have been worth a shout against Tyrone only because the half forward line on that day was in complete disarray.
I think Gilligan despite being given plenty of opportunity has never shown his worth on the intercounty stage. Dont thonk he is worth drafting in.
I think if he had even brought McCloy on to stick to Cavanagh after 20 mins when Murphy came off he could have realised O'Kane who is the best attacking option out of defense
Wilkinson should be on the panel
Gilligan - you may be right - but he
certainly would have done better than Murphy, Brown, Lynn or Mullan
Gonna be some shite talk and arguing on this thread... Especially the week AFTER the match...
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 05, 2009, 07:18:36 PM
I am going to have to shout this because people don't get it... GILLIGAN LEFT THE DERRY PANEL TO TAKE A YEAR OUT VOLUNTARILY
Relax
That's the first anyone heard of that ... a bit doubtful he's on a year out! I'd say he's too old to make a come back.
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Quote from: Overthebar! on July 05, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
you have to be joking mohan. give the man time, he'll be after you. rumour has it he likes posting on this board...
lets see if we can get this thread to go over a 100 pages this time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let him ...
I thought the lining out of the team against Tyrone was criminal.
Paul Murphy? Eoin Brown?
Not Inter-County standard at all!
aye but sir there were injuries lets see how he goes with a full panel to pick from. would say monaghan are favourites atm
ive a serious question, who would win in a fight. dick clerkin or patsy bradley?
Patsy
Injuries are a bad excuse - Where was Conleith Gilligan, Wilkinson, McCloy?
???
Wilkinson and Gilligan aren't even on the panel this year! And DC just didn't put Mc Cloy on.
Exactly
Wilkinson was MOTM for Ballinderry last year ... was perfectly suited for the Tyrone game and style of play + lots of experience
Gilligan could have been a great addition
McCloy should have been on after 20 mins (should have started anyway) and gone CB when McGoldrick went to MF
Only agree with you on Mc Cloy.
Wilkinson could have been worth a shout against Tyrone only because the half forward line on that day was in complete disarray.
I think Gilligan despite being given plenty of opportunity has never shown his worth on the intercounty stage. Dont thonk he is worth drafting in.
I think if he had even brought McCloy on to stick to Cavanagh after 20 mins when Murphy came off he could have realised O'Kane who is the best defensive attacking option
Agree completey, O'Kane did an excellent job on what he was assigned to do .... nullify Cavanagh. The only problem with that was Derry missed his foraging runs up the field which he did so effectively time and again against Monaghan.
Mc Kaigue was left to take up this role agaisnt Tyrone and with all due respect he didnt have much impact, he just ran into trouble too often.
Only thing is .. would Mc Cloy have kept Cavanagh as quiet as O'Kane did ?? O'Kane matched him for pace and was constantly snapping at his heels throughout the game. I'm not sure Mc Cloy would have kept him as quiet.
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 07:03:48 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2009, 06:55:06 PM
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Surely you're joking? Even if his first year was a disaster you'd give him more time no? Will yous be looking for Baker to replace him?!
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I'm a neutral!I just don't think he's got much other than passion and heart to bring to the party - you need good football intelligence to win an AI
Don't think he has it
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You're doing a really good job of hiding your neutrality. It's clear you have an agenda against Cassidy. The rest of that post and some of the other stuff you have been posting lately is too unbalanced, not to say ludicrous on occasion, to be anything other than the result of some personall gripe.
Monaghan might have a player or two suspended following last night........ woods was well caught on camera ;)
FFS the one draw both teams wanted to avoid. I cant make this game though so probably would have been more pissed off if I was missing out on a weekend trip to Thurles! Not all that confident from a Derry perspective, Monaghan have the momentum and I can;t see Derry putting back to back wins against them in the same season.
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Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2009, 06:55:06 PM
And what of Cassidy if Derry lose?
I think he should go ... I've seen enough to doubt he's got anything to offer Derry
Surely you're joking? Even if his first year was a disaster you'd give him more time no? Will yous be looking for Baker to replace him?!
I'm a neutral!I just don't think he's got much other than passion and heart to bring to the party - you need good football intelligence to win an AI
Don't think he has it
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You're doing a really good job of hiding your neutrality. It's clear you have an agenda against Cassidy. The rest of that post and some of the other stuff you have been posting lately is too unbalanced, not to say ludicrous on occasion, to be anything other than the result of some personall gripe.
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LOL!
Nothing personal at all I think it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Murphy should never have started at midfield.
Is it ludicrous to suggest Derry lined out wrong?
That Kevin McCloy should have started?
That Ballinderry should have had more players on?
I think there's a few more would agree ...
We'll not even go down the Conway route ...
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I am going to have to shout this because people don't get it... GILLIGAN LEFT THE DERRY PANEL TO TAKE A YEAR OUT VOLUNTARILY
Relax
That's the first anyone heard of that ... a bit doubtful he's on a year out! I'd say he's too old to make a come back.
He took a Sabbatical to spend time with his family. I think he is only about 29 or so, that's not old, still another 3 or 4 years left in him yet. Also regards Wilkinson, due to the circumstances this year and our severe lack of forwards he could possibly have been drafted into panel, however there is a gulf of difference between a good club player and a good county player. Paul Bradley is excellent for Slaughtneil but makes little impact for Derry, also aside the Fermanagh game last year I have yet to see Wilkinson do well in a Derry shirt.
I thoguht he was alot older - suppose he's been around a while
You're right about the club vs county thing - Murphy is another example.
Is Conway back on the panel?
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on July 05, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
Monaghan might have a player or two suspended following last night........ woods was well caught on camera ;)
It'll never happen
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 05, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
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If applied to this thread,
that would just leave the Monaghan posters and the odd Derry veteran.
Bring it on!! Two hours after being pissed off when Doire came out of the hat, my mind is changing. I love championship days in Clones. We get far too few of them. Doc and Mullan back, questions over cartin, mccloy and mccusker. Will Enda be fit? Will Woods get suspended? Will Tommy appeal again? Will it be a shit fest or a whitewash? All the hype, all the questions, Spillane and O' Rourke whinging like two fcukin children. I love the championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jus hope we're still in it this time next week :P
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Clones may not give Monaghan a massive advantage, but Celtic Park would definitely have given Derry one.
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Clones may not give Monaghan a massive advantage, but Celtic Park would definitely have given Derry one.
Yes, I'd agree with that ... in fact Derry having to go to Monaghan might be even a slight advantage in a weird way
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
They picked one out from each pot and put them in a third pot. They then drew them out of the third pot to decide who had home advantage.
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
First out was the winners of the qualifiers just I believe
Venues and times tbc tomorrow
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
Ok - you didn't see the draw
One tube was picked from Bowl 1 unopened
One tube was picked from Bowl 2 unopened
Both were put into a third bowl and mixed around
First one out was opened and they got home advantage
Next one out was opened and they did not get home advantage
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
Ok - you didn't see the draw
One tube was picked from Bowl 1 unopened
One tube was picked from Bowl 2 unopened
Both were put into a third bowl and mixed around
First one out was opened and they got home advantage
Next one out was opened and they did not get home advantage
Ah rite - sorry missed the draw. Fair enough I suppose but it seems a bit dodgy having just 2 balls mixed around. You could easily look at them and see which one's which.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
Ok - you didn't see the draw
One tube was picked from Bowl 1 unopened
One tube was picked from Bowl 2 unopened
Both were put into a third bowl and mixed around
First one out was opened and they got home advantage
Next one out was opened and they did not get home advantage
Ah rite - sorry missed the draw. Fair enough I suppose but it seems a bit dodgy having just 2 balls mixed around. You could easily look at them and see which one's which.
They all look the same, do they not?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 05, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 05, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 05, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
Fellas has Clones been confirmed?
I was of the understanding that Derry had a home draw, as they played 'away' last year?
First out get home...
It'll be Clones - shouldn't suit either team much more - well depends on the style of play Derry play.
Actually Derry's biggest worry will be Paddy Bradley
If he's not on song Derry will struggle - and the last day he was annoymous - won't happen two days in a row I'm thinking.
How could first out get home when they were in 2 different pots? Surely that would mean that either all the round 1 winners or all the losing provincial semi finalists were getting a home draw which would seem a bit unfair.
Ok - you didn't see the draw
One tube was picked from Bowl 1 unopened
One tube was picked from Bowl 2 unopened
Both were put into a third bowl and mixed around
First one out was opened and they got home advantage
Next one out was opened and they did not get home advantage
Ah rite - sorry missed the draw. Fair enough I suppose but it seems a bit dodgy having just 2 balls mixed around. You could easily look at them and see which one's which.
They all look the same, do they not?
;D
What year was the 'live' draw after the results had been annouced?
Aye I forgot about that, was it two years ago (maybe 3) there were several "live" draws when the country knew what the draw was.
JMohan I would have to disagree with you on a few things regarding Cassidy. McCloy would have been cleaned out by Kavanagh. The only game McCloy suits would be one where big high balls are rained down on a defense - like the Monaghan game. I think he's a good bit off the pace to be honest and has been a disaster waiting to happen for a while. I think Cassidy's stance there is the right one. McCloy is a poor second to McCusker and when you have Lockhart in there too I don't think he should be near the Derry team.
With regard to Raymond Wilkinson after last year's championship match(es) we had some serious personal abuse on here of him because he struggled. I don't believe he would have added anything to Derry.
By all accounts on this board Murphy is one of the best club midfielders in Derry so surely with all the injuries he deserved a chance.
Also I wouldn't agree regarding Ballinderry. McGuckin, McCusker and Muldoon should start. Not sure anyone else should. Granted Wilkinson, maybe Collie Devlin and maybe McIvor merit squad places but they have been tried before and haven't done the business.
I'm also a neutral BTW.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
JMohan I would have to disagree with you on a few things regarding Cassidy.
Let's not personalise it then since I'll be accused of having a vendetta next! ;D
Let's say 'management' lol!
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
McCloy would have been cleaned out by Kavanagh.
Possibly, but I meant after 20 minutes when the game had settled ... but it was more the fact once you put O'Kane on him you lost him as a threat.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
The only game McCloy suits would be one where big high balls are rained down on a defense - like the Monaghan game.
Absolutely correct!
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
I think he's a good bit off the pace to be honest and has been a disaster waiting to happen for a while. I think Cassidy's stance there is the right one. McCloy is a poor second to McCusker and when you have Lockhart in there too I don't think he should be near the Derry team.
Well fair enough - but
- He did well against Kerry
- Was MOTM against Monaghan
- McCusker hasn't played this year yet - can't be more 'on the pace' than McCloy? Or maybe he is?
I just think he was a better more physcial option
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
With regard to Raymond Wilkinson after last year's championship match(es) we had some serious personal abuse on here of him because he struggled. I don't believe he would have added anything to Derry.
Well going by club games he was very good.
And I'm thinking his style and energy would have suited better against Tyrone and moreso that Brown/Lynn/Mullan
No?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
By all accounts on this board Murphy is one of the best club midfielders in Derry so surely with all the injuries he deserved a chance.
Ok, fair enough - but I don't see him as a real IC county midfielder
Even on the 40 he's suffered for fitness? no?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
Also I wouldn't agree regarding Ballinderry. McGuckin, McCusker and Muldoon should start.
Well McGuckian yes, certainly - the others I just think might have been cuter
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
Not sure anyone else should. Granted Wilkinson, maybe Collie Devlin and maybe McIvor merit squad places but they have been tried before and haven't done the business.
I'm also a neutral BTW.
Well you look at the talent Derry have it's sad to see them capitulate the way they did to Tyrone
That's all - and I think management got it wrong, badly wrong.
And I think there were signs that was going to happen based on the line out.
:)
By the way - great to get someone who took the time to read the actual points and debate the merits.
QuoteWell you look at the talent Derry have it's sad to see them capitulate the way they did to Tyrone
To be honest I think therein lies the problem and why Cassidy, sorry "management", can't win. I'm not sure I believe that Derry have this so called talent a lot of fans seem to talk about. These players have been about long enough. Last ulster final 2000 isn't it. Paddy Crozier wasn't their manager all that time...
I would agree the Tyrone game was a bad one management wise. I think Cassidy is a "good 'un" though and will learn a lot from it. It has to be said this is an unfortunate draw for him.
Absolutely no way should McCloy have been given MOTM against Monaghan BTW. Ronaghan gave him his fill of it first half and in the second half Monaghan kicked the ball down his throat when he was even possibly a spare man. Nothing against the man - his game against Dublin the other year was as good a full back display as you'd see. I think he's living on reputation now though. I didn't see the league final bit first game against Kerry in the league McCloy was cleaned out.
Wilkinson and Lynn are just copies of each other to be honest. Not sure of any value to one over the other.
Murphy struggles for fitness over the course of a game yes but if he's the best option they have available in midfield then surely he should be started and replaced when he's out of steam.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2009, 09:29:55 PM
QuoteWell you look at the talent Derry have it's sad to see them capitulate the way they did to Tyrone
These players have been about long enough. Last ulster final 2000 isn't it. Paddy Crozier wasn't their manager all that time...
I don't understand that last point you're trying to make....
We disagree on the other points - I agree with alot of what you say I just think McCloy has something to offer over the others that are there.
With the Murphy thing I still think Cassidy jumped the gun and should have had Conway on from the start ... (another can of worms to be opened!) ;D
Fair points though - fairly made ...
I see your points however I think you're a tad premature about Cassidy. He has taken on a much bigger job there than a lot of people realise. Derry to be honest are a long way off where a lot of their supporters think they are. They have some talent but are about 5 or 6 players off a Kerry, Tyrone, Cork or even Dublin. Cassidy will have to compensate with playing a good system so he has a lot of work to do. He's well capable of it though!
My point there was that the manager can't be blamed for the same group of players failing for the last 8 years. Paddy Crozier got stick for last year, Moran before him and it's happening again with Cassidy already! They may not be exactly the same group of players but they're close...
Anyway like you, I think!, I have no personal agenda here. I'd like to see them do well. I'd also love to see them win this game!
TBH you are probably right with the Murphy thing.
Gilligan did not leave the Derry panel, Cassidy didn't pick him!
Who would you rather have on your team? Raymond Wilkinson or anyone of the following...... Eoin Brown, Enda Lynn, Brian Mullan, james Kielt, Gavin Mcshane, Seamus Bradley.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 05, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
I wonder if the Monaghan management will use the same trick that Mickey Harte pulled in 2003 w.r.t. Joe Brolly's after-match comments?
Remind us...
I'd rather have James Kielt. He kicked two points which turned the last Monaghan game so without him you'd not have won it...
Quote from: seamusthebard on July 05, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
Who would you rather have on your team? Raymond Wilkinson or anyone of the following...... Eoin Brown, Enda Lynn, Brian Mullan, james Kielt, Gavin Mcshane, Seamus Bradley.
Id rather have stevie wonder than wilkinson
With all the chat about the half forward line recently, who would your first choice half forward line be for Derry ?
Mine's would be -
RHF - James Kielt (assuming he's fit) CHF - Enda (assuming he's fit) LHF - Declan Mullan, Coleraine
I'm aware that out of the above Declan Mullan is a bit of a wild card, but i watched coleraine vs slaughtneil game and i think this kid has what it takes, he has absolute bags of speed, great work rate, strong and has absolutely no fear. I know he's been highly rated since he's been a minor but he was off the scene for a while due to a bad injury.
We all know half the problem with our half forward line is that club form is not being replicated on the county stage but I for one think this cub is worth a shout.
has Kevin Mcguckian won his appeal against the 4 week ban?
My Half Forward line would be Enda BMcG Lynch
- I know Lynch is just doing ok - but his runs would keep Freeman busy and stop him attacking and he's stronger than the others and can carry which you'll need against the sweeper
- BMcG is strong and will win ball and hold it up on the 40 and will keep Hughes busy - if you don't put someone good you'll have him attacking all day. You can't put Enda on the 40 as he'll not be able to chase the Monaghan attacking CHB.
- Put McCloy back in FB on Ronaghan again - perfect job for him
- No place for McKaigue shocking as the spare man the last day
- Frees up Lochart to go on Woods
- Gerard O'Kane CHB (on Finlay - give him something to think about) if they drop a sweeper put Cartin in CHB instead.
- Finlay is the key & to use an attacking CHF line to keep the Monaghan HB's busy defending as they are not good.
- Put the two Bradleys on the FF line and leave them there all day - until 9pm
Now if they drop a sweeper back - they will - tell that HF line to carry in to the 40 and shoot for points or run at them and win frees
And make O'Kane the spare man and tell him to follow the sweeper - at least to the opposite 40 and set up play.
Can't believe this is being inflicted on the Gaa again. Any chance it will be played "in camera"?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:05:55 PM
Can't believe this is being inflicted on the Gaa again. Any chance it will be played "in camera"?
Any chance you could just not watch it? Is someone holding a gun to your head? Or are you one of those who just love to have something to complain about?
I won't be watching it. And I think its a shame your county simply makes no attempt to play football despite all the good players it has.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:39:26 PM
I won't be watching it. And I think its a shame your county simply makes no attempt to play football despite all the good players it has.
I thought it was a pity that your team showed no guts at vital stages in the championship in the last few years despite all the good players it has.
Whats cheaper than a Dub with a barrel load of forthright opinions?
Indiana, did you not see about 15 times Monaghan were breaking out with the ball from defense to go on a free flowing attack and they were fouled/ dragged to the ground, no attempt made to tackle.
The other teams just won't let us play football ::)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:39:26 PM
I won't be watching it. And I think its a shame your county simply makes no attempt to play football despite all the good players it has.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:05:55 PM
Can't believe this is being inflicted on the Gaa again. Any chance it will be played "in camera"?
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whats the word on muldoon ? have him in my gaelic life team, keepin the fingers crossed
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
Was it just me or how amateur did the draw look on TV last night? putting two balls into the middle bowl to declare home advantage. The boy staring down at them and giving them one swirl around then out they come! Maybe no coincidence that all of the qualifier winners from the weekend got home advantage bar westmeath wasn't it?
Guy at work there has just got a text from a very reliable source saying that Paddy Bradley has left the Derry panel.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term
battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of
GAA &
battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
guess that evens it out
no Paddy Bradley and no Tommy Freeman
Shite draw. Really wanted the Derry-Monaghan saga of the past few years to be laid to bed. This is a bad game for both teams and unfortunately it is quite likely that the winners will emerge with little credit.
Again I cant see any way past a Monaghan team without a physical battle. I have no doubt there could be plenty of off the ball crap too. As in the previous game there will be moments of honest intensity and good play but the usual punters will ignore them for a chance to stick the lazy boot in.
On that note, fair play to Indiana for his principled stand of not watching something he is certain he will find distasteful. Now he will not be in the position to waste his time posting blunt criticisms on the game itself.
Football wise, everyone knows what way the Monaghan team will line out (providing for injuries) and the style they play the game. If anything, there must be a bit of a siege mentality there after all the criticism in the media, etc, so I'd expect them to stick grimly to their method. Thats not a criticism but just a reflection that if it is to be a competitive game then I don't hold out a lot of hope that it will be a great game for the neutral.
Derry will be more of an enigma, as always. I think most Derry people have an idea of how they would like to see the team line out but for all the changing permutations, tactics and systems the same old problems are still there, the half forwards and ball inside being nullified by a sweeper.
At this stage, I would almost welcome weakness elsewhere just to see these issues resolved.
As for people calling for the return of certain Derry players based on club form, did they not see enough of their county performances? Bringing back players who have an average to poor track record with Derry is not the answer, I would rather Cassidy blooded new players in an effort to get to the root of the challenge than paper over the cracks.
The exercise of comparing good club players who consistently failed to deliver at county level with relative unknowns in debut seasons is a crock of shit. To be frank, I'd rather give Gavin McShane his shot than resurrect the same old, same old. I doubt many posters from senior clubs have a baldy notion about Gavin (I haven't seen him play more than once anyway) but it doesn't stop them making the usual snap judgements in complete ignorance.
According to bbc....
Derry full forward Paddy Bradley has quit the county panel ahead of this week's All-Ireland qualifier against Monaghan, BBC Sport understands.
The news will come as a major blow to Derry manager Damian Cassidy and supporters of the Oak Leaf county.
The prolific Glenullin clubman is third in the all-time Ulster scoring list in Championship football and won an All Star for his performances in 2007.
The 28-year-old former Derry captain has won two National League titles.
Bradley scored Derry's goal in their Ulster Championship first round win over Monaghan.
He took part in a game involving panel members on Sunday, before informing Cassidy of his intention to leave the squad.
Who is cursing the luck of draw more, Monaghan or Derry?
Are Derry fans thinking, what did we do to deserve a trip to Clones?
No I like the day out to Clones, what I don't like is playing Monaghan again. They'll have had a tough game under their belts and come through a tight match which is good for morale. Derry training away waiting on their opponents, I think Monaghan are in the stronger position. Plus if P Bradley has left that'll hardly do us any favours!
PS before the match is even played, Dick Clerkin made them do it ;)
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 12:02:54 PM
Who is cursing the luck of draw more, Monaghan or Derry?
Are Derry fans thinking, what did we do to deserve a trip to Clones?
Derry supporters are thinkin "are we going to have to beat manners into these heures again?"
Paddy Bradley or no Paddy Bradley, Derry will win this match.
Will Doherty be available for Derry??
Giving the good gael he is reported to be, there probably could be a chance he'll be collecting for some of the charities on the approach to the ground on Saturday.....
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
I was quite impressed with the Monaghan discipline in closing down. They mostly have the knack of doing just enough aggressively, but not too much.
They do that better than most teams.
Vinny did very well against Armagh but that leaves a desperate lack of potency in the full forward line.
Nevertheless I think he should stay at full back and hope Finlay has his free kick accuracy back.
McManus looks well capable of pulling in a few points.
Quote from: donelli on July 06, 2009, 12:17:36 PM
Will Doherty be available for Derry??
Giving the good gael he is reported to be, there probably could be a chance he'll be collecting for some of the charities on the approach to the ground on Saturday.....
Hopefully there'll be nobody stamping on his face this time anyway.
As for McManus, we'll put Brian Mullan on him from the start.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
Lynchboy, you are just playing that same simple one track tune analysis.
What Banty means when he talks about manliness?
When we play manly teams like Kerry, they know how to hold their heads, play their game man to man, hold their ground with discipline and hand it back with interest. You never hear a gripe out of a class players like Donaghy or Galvin. But Bradley, that guy can whine.
When we play lesser talent than Kerry/ Cork etc, they generally can't take it, they lose the head and blame Monaghan for losing their head.
QuoteYou never hear a gripe out of a class players like Donaghy or Galvin
Are you serious ? Ask paddy Russell about Galvin.
In regards to Donaghy, it has crept into his game. Last year you would have heard quite a few gripes
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
Lynchboy, you are just playing that same simple one track tune analysis.
What Banty means when he talks about manliness?
When we play manly teams like Kerry, they know how to hold their heads, play their game man to man, hold their ground with discipline and hand it back with interest. You never hear a gripe out of a class players like Donaghy or Galvin. But Bradley, that guy can whine.
When we play lesser talent than Kerry/ Cork etc, they generally can't take it, they lose the head and blame Monaghan for losing their head.
But they make an effort to play ball at least. I mean look at Woods last Saturday. Playing well yet he must have been involved in every row going on the pitch. If thats Monaghan football- you're welcome to it. I've yet to see Gooch or Donaghy starting rows in their own full back line and ruinning 50 yards to get involved in things that don't concern them. He's looked like a clown on tv.
Gooch and Donaghy are no angels either.
anyword on the ref? think mcenaney should get this one... :D :D
Donaghy is steady running to ref with the two hands in the air whining about something
Donaghy does not whine afterwards.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
Lynchboy, you are just playing that same simple one track tune analysis.
What Banty means when he talks about manliness?
When we play manly teams like Kerry, they know how to hold their heads, play their game man to man, hold their ground with discipline and hand it back with interest. You never hear a gripe out of a class players like Donaghy or Galvin. But Bradley, that guy can whine.
When we play lesser talent than Kerry/ Cork etc, they generally can't take it, they lose the head and blame Monaghan for losing their head.
But they make an effort to play ball at least. I mean look at Woods last Saturday. Playing well yet he must have been involved in every row going on the pitch. If thats Monaghan football- you're welcome to it. I've yet to see Gooch or Donaghy starting rows in their own full back line and ruinning 50 yards to get involved in things that don't concern them. He's looked like a clown on tv.
Indiana you usually are full of shíte :D and often so far of the mark.
Woods is our soldier. Every team should have one. Every team needs one.
If he is doing what you claim to see through a tube, then the ref would surely book him at some stage.
As I said, when we play good disciplined teams they have no problem with their discipline. They have no problem dishing it back with discipline and playing to win. Most teams do not have the tight team discipline of Monaghan.
Did you see the Munster final? what a very poor standard of play in the second half, foul ridden, mistake ridden and defensive yet the pundits are all oozing platitudes over a great game.
First half yesterday was a cracking game of real championship football. Saturday night was a sorry excuse for it. Our junior C club team would score more from play than either team managed on Saturday night.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
I think you need to lighten up on this one. It was a tongue in cheek comment to open the thread, in the context of the previous game - and you're the only one who has found a problem with it.
I trust you'll also contact RTÉ and tell them it's inappropriate...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0705/sfc.html
QuoteMonaghan and Derry to battle again
...and HoganStand...
QuoteMonaghan-Derry rematch in qualifiers
05 July 2009
Monaghan and Derry, who engaged in a controversial Ulster SFC encounter in May, will do battle once more in the second round of the All-Ireland qualifiers next weekend.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114259
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
Lynchboy, you are just playing that same simple one track tune analysis.
What Banty means when he talks about manliness?
When we play manly teams like Kerry, they know how to hold their heads, play their game man to man, hold their ground with discipline and hand it back with interest. You never hear a gripe out of a class players like Donaghy or Galvin. But Bradley, that guy can whine.
When we play lesser talent than Kerry/ Cork etc, they generally can't take it, they lose the head and blame Monaghan for losing their head.
But they make an effort to play ball at least. I mean look at Woods last Saturday. Playing well yet he must have been involved in every row going on the pitch. If thats Monaghan football- you're welcome to it. I've yet to see Gooch or Donaghy starting rows in their own full back line and ruinning 50 yards to get involved in things that don't concern them. He's looked like a clown on tv.
Indiana you usually are full of shíte :D and often so far of the mark.
Woods is our soldier. Every team should have one. Every team needs one.
If he is doing what you claim to see through a tube, then the ref would surely book him at some stage.
As I said, when we play good disciplined teams they have no problem with their discipline. They have no problem dishing it back with discipline and playing to win. Most teams do not have the tight team discipline of Monaghan.
Did you see the Munster final? what a very poor standard of play in the second half, foul ridden, mistake ridden and defensive yet the pundits are all oozing platitudes over a great game.
The Munster final? I thought that was a good (not great) game of football - free flowing, great fielding, great defending and attacking play - great goal to kill off Limerick. What game were you watching.
I'm serious. That was a decent game with out a nasty stroke.
I'm for that any day.
As for Woods being a 'soldier' ... ? What's Moen then? What nonsense. It's football not Play Station. He really could do without getting involved in that kind of stuff and just play ball.
I was agreeing with you up to a point - but you're starting to run away with yourself now.
The game is live on RTE2, throw in is 3pm on Saturday
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 06, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
The game is live on RTE2, throw in is 3pm on Saturday
I thought TV3 had the rights to the qualifiers? no?
Quote from: JMohan on July 06, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 06, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
The game is live on RTE2, throw in is 3pm on Saturday
I thought TV3 had the rights to the qualifiers? no?
Its on www.gaa.ie
TV3 have first pick of the qualifers. As they picked Longford v Kerry, RTE can choose to show a game as well.
Would be interesting to see which one gets the better viewing figures - although I suppose you can't compare like with like, given that one game is on mid afternoon and that TV3 doesn't have extensive coverage in the north.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Let the battle commence!
isnt it meant to be a game of football ?
It is. You've never heard of the term battle used in a sporting context?
A quick google of GAA & battle throws up these...
RTÉ Sport: GAA - Monaghan and Derry to battle again
Fermanagh fight injury battle - GAA, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
GAA CLASSIC : Royal Battle: Meath Dublin 1991 - DVD Sales
Western People: GAA: Mayo best in 'Battle of The Bronx'
Sports - gaa - Laois battle past Antrim
the word while correctly used in the context of your last example is still NOT appropriate
as it indicates a fight, and while these sometimes occur, I find it against the ethos of our Gaelic games to set out with this mindset.
maybe its a monaghan thing and it would explain a lot !
:o
I think you need to lighten up on this one. It was a tongue in cheek comment to open the thread, in the context of the previous game - and you're the only one who has found a problem with it.
I trust you'll also contact RTÉ and tell them it's inappropriate...
maybe I need tolighten up, but I still find this incorrect.
just because they go OTT and wrongly use it in the media- does this make it correct ?
I'd not want to be lowering myself to equate what I write with what the media say - esp as some of these hacks are rubbish (imo)
its not that what you write is brilliant, but even you are still above the likes of them !
its still just a game of football, and if the media stopped applying this kind of mentality to the prev match , it may not have ended up in a game that resembled a rugby match (with soccer type diving and inj feighning from both sides thrown in)
Monaghan 4/5 Derry 11/8 with Paddy Power.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 01:24:12 PM
Our junior C club team would score more from play than either team managed on Saturday night.
Is that right. With Dessie Mone, Vinny Corey and Dermot McArdle marking and beating the life out of your inside forwards, then Gary McQuaid, Damien Freeman and Darren Hughes suffocating the life out of the half-forwards and any creative players you have, with Stephen Gollogly, Conor McManus and Rory Woods also funnelling back and hitting you a few digs should you dare to launch an attack. And all that's not even taking into account what Dick Clerkin is getting away with.
And good luck to Monaghan for that, but this crap about lack of basic skills and junior sides scoring more is just bullshit.
Quote from: JMohan on July 06, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 06, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
The game is live on RTE2, throw in is 3pm on Saturday
I thought TV3 had the rights to the qualifiers? no?
SO are all the qualifier draws on that bastard of a channel?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 06, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 06, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 06, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
The game is live on RTE2, throw in is 3pm on Saturday
I thought TV3 had the rights to the qualifiers? no?
SO are all the qualifier draws on that b**tard of a channel?
18.07.2009 (Sat)
Round Three (Draw)This Round shall involve the eight winners of Round 2.
(Draw to take place on the 12th of July 2009 on RTE2)25/25.07.2009 (Sat/Sun)
Round Four (Draw)Each of the four teams defeated in the Provincial Finals shall play against one of the four Winners of Round 3.
(Draw to take place on the 19th of July 2009 on RTE2)
1/2/3.08.2009 (Sat/Sun/Mon)
All Ireland Quarter-Finals (Draw)Each of the four Provincial Champions shall play one of the four Winners from Round
Round 4. Subject to the respect Provincial Champions not meeting the defeated Finalists from their own Province in this Round.
(Draw to take place on the 26th of July 2009 on RTE2)
Quote from: JMohan on July 06, 2009, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 01:20:19 PM
Indiana you usually are full of shíte :D and often so far of the mark.
Woods is our soldier. Every team should have one. Every team needs one.
If he is doing what you claim to see through a tube, then the ref would surely book him at some stage.
As I said, when we play good disciplined teams they have no problem with their discipline. They have no problem dishing it back with discipline and playing to win. Most teams do not have the tight team discipline of Monaghan.
Did you see the Munster final? what a very poor standard of play in the second half, foul ridden, mistake ridden and defensive yet the pundits are all oozing platitudes over a great game.
The Munster final? I thought that was a good (not great) game of football - free flowing, great fielding, great defending and attacking play - great goal to kill off Limerick. What game were you watching.
I'm serious. That was a decent game with out a nasty stroke.
I'm for that any day.
As for Woods being a 'soldier' ... ? What's Moen then? What nonsense. It's football not Play Station. He really could do without getting involved in that kind of stuff and just play ball.
I was agreeing with you up to a point - but you're starting to run away with yourself now.
You probably stopped agreeing with me after " mark".
I said the second half of the Munster final. I missed the first half
Exciting yes, but desperate quality.
Hard to describe Limerick as playing attacking football in the second half, when they just had one lad in deep isolation up front for a long period of time when they needed points.
You need to lighten up a bit and have fewer opinion about everything under the GAA sun :)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:39:26 PM
I won't be watching it. And I think its a shame your county simply makes no attempt to play football despite all the good players it has.
Hear, hear!
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
But they make an effort to play ball at least. I mean look at Woods last Saturday. Playing well yet he must have been involved in every row going on the pitch. If thats Monaghan football- you're welcome to it. I've yet to see Gooch or Donaghy starting rows in their own full back line and ruinning 50 yards to get involved in things that don't concern them. He's looked like a clown on tv.
Hear hear!
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 01:24:12 PM
First half yesterday was a cracking game of real championship football. Saturday night was a sorry excuse for it. Our junior C club team would score more from play than either team managed on Saturday night.
If they were playing another junior C club team maybe.
That will be a few less wasters lurking around the thread then.
The air is a bit fresher already.
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 06, 2009, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2009, 01:20:19 PM
Indiana you usually are full of shíte :D and often so far of the mark.
Woods is our soldier. Every team should have one. Every team needs one.
If he is doing what you claim to see through a tube, then the ref would surely book him at some stage.
As I said, when we play good disciplined teams they have no problem with their discipline. They have no problem dishing it back with discipline and playing to win. Most teams do not have the tight team discipline of Monaghan.
Did you see the Munster final? what a very poor standard of play in the second half, foul ridden, mistake ridden and defensive yet the pundits are all oozing platitudes over a great game.
The Munster final? I thought that was a good (not great) game of football - free flowing, great fielding, great defending and attacking play - great goal to kill off Limerick. What game were you watching.
I'm serious. That was a decent game with out a nasty stroke.
I'm for that any day.
As for Woods being a 'soldier' ... ? What's Moen then? What nonsense. It's football not Play Station. He really could do without getting involved in that kind of stuff and just play ball.
I was agreeing with you up to a point - but you're starting to run away with yourself now.
You probably stopped agreeing with me after " mark".
I said the second half of the Munster final. I missed the first half
Exciting yes, but desperate quality.
Hard to describe Limerick as playing attacking football in the second half, when they just had one lad in deep isolation up front for a long period of time when they needed points.
You need to lighten up a bit and have fewer opinion about everything under the GAA sun :)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Holidays can be boring!
Well to be fair I preferred the Limerick/Cork game for entertainment than the Monaghan/Armagh one - just for the free flowing of it - but to each his own.
in fact the hurling was the best of them all!
This 3pm throw in time for saturday will keep the crowds well down. Very early in the day, on a day a lot of folk work.
And all for showing on tv, even though there is 2 more games on afterwards!!
i predict a lot less attendance than last saturdays game.
we'll be lucky to have 5-6,000 at the game.
Derry won't need the second car so.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2009, 10:56:43 PM
Derry won't need the second car so.
you're right, the 24 seater is much handier. can have a few pints :)
Quote from: donelli on July 06, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
This 3pm throw in time for saturday will keep the crowds well down. Very early in the day, on a day a lot of folk work.
And all for showing on tv, even though there is 2 more games on afterwards!!
i predict a lot less attendance than last saturdays game.
we'll be lucky to have 5-6,000 at the game.
Id say you'll not be far wrong with that prediction.
How many were at Celtic Park, around 15k was it?
Quote from: Rav67 on July 07, 2009, 12:05:06 AM
Quote from: donelli on July 06, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
This 3pm throw in time for saturday will keep the crowds well down. Very early in the day, on a day a lot of folk work.
And all for showing on tv, even though there is 2 more games on afterwards!!
i predict a lot less attendance than last saturdays game.
we'll be lucky to have 5-6,000 at the game.
Id say you'll not be far wrong with that prediction.
How many were at Celtic Park, around 15k was it?
think it was only 10K or so
What was the attendance for the last game against Armagh? 10K?
This will be the 6th live televised game for Monaghan this year.
Strange times we live in.
No rumpus about Rory Woods (the phantom puncher) either?
Maybe the RTE panel were not loud enough to wake up the CCCC
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 07, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
RTE said nothing about it. Rory Woods goes into every game without any intention of playing football, he justgoes into be as annoying and mouthy a b**tard as he can while throwing his weight about (and believe me that's alot of weight))
I thought he done quite well against Armagh, but he did give the judas to Stevie & should have been pulled up on it.
Suprised Brolly hasnt mentioned this yet ;)
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2009, 12:49:37 PM
What was the attendance for the last game against Armagh? 10K?
This will be the 6th live televised game for Monaghan this year.
Strange times we live in.
No rumpus about Rory Woods (the phantom puncher) either?
Maybe the RTE panel were not loud enough to wake up the CCCC
Around 12,500 at the game according to the Irish News. I thought it was lower.
I didn't expect the CCCC to be too bothered about anything in Saturday's game. And with only a week until the next game they'd never get around to processing a case anyway!
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 07, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2009, 12:49:37 PM
What was the attendance for the last game against Armagh? 10K?
This will be the 6th live televised game for Monaghan this year.
Strange times we live in.
No rumpus about Rory Woods (the phantom puncher) either?
Maybe the RTE panel were not loud enough to wake up the CCCC
RTE said nothing about it. Rory Woods goes into every game without any intention of playing football, he justgoes into be as annoying and mouthy a b**tard as he can while throwing his weight about (and believe me that's alot of weight))
Another kid, trolling the same tune.
Come back when you have an intention of adding something (which at least has some variety) to the thread instead of mouthing off and doing your best to be an annoying fecker. Otherwise, you might find the comments page in Youtube are more to your standard.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2009, 01:27:13 PM
I didn't expect the CCCC to be too bothered about anything in Saturday's game. And with only a week until the next game they'd never get around to processing a case anyway!
Doesn´t the ref has the option of adding stuff in to his match report based on extra evidence?
But as you say, there was nothing of note to get on a high horse about.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 07, 2009, 01:37:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 07, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2009, 12:49:37 PM
What was the attendance for the last game against Armagh? 10K?
This will be the 6th live televised game for Monaghan this year.
Strange times we live in.
No rumpus about Rory Woods (the phantom puncher) either?
Maybe the RTE panel were not loud enough to wake up the CCCC
RTE said nothing about it. Rory Woods goes into every game without any intention of playing football, he justgoes into be as annoying and mouthy a b**tard as he can while throwing his weight about (and believe me that's alot of weight))
Another kid, trolling the same tune.
Come back when you have an intention of adding something (which at least has some variety) to the thread instead of mouthing off and doing your best to be an annoying fecker. Otherwise, you might find the comments page in Youtube are more to your standard.
Nothing like avoiding my original point, rather you prefer to act condescending and superior, assume I am a young fella and know little about what i speak about,. Are you denying that Rory Woods goes into the majority of games with little intention of playing football? I never in my years of watching football have seen a man get involved with so many thing that have jack shit to do with him. He's always the 3rd man on the scene trying to cause bother. Try and deny it if you wish but I am quite confident that the majority of posters on here outside of Monaghan will agree.
I think it's just that you're a bit of a stuck record with this. If you've said it once, you've said it 10 times at this stage. And now you're getting into personal abuse.
No one is denying that Woods has been in the thick of a number of incidents and that he gets involved where he shouldn't, but to say he never goes out with the intention of playing football is crap. He was MOTM against Kerry in 2007 and against Donegal last year and whilst he hasn't been at his best so far this year, he still did enough in the first half against Armagh on Saturday.
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2009, 01:27:13 PM
I didn't expect the CCCC to be too bothered about anything in Saturday's game. And with only a week until the next game they'd never get around to processing a case anyway!
Doesn´t the ref has the option of adding stuff in to his match report based on extra evidence?
But as you say, there was nothing of note to get on a high horse about.
Not 100% sure on the refs report, but yes, if the game wasn't be scrutinised to death in the context of the previous game, no one would be raising too much fuss about anything from Saturday.
Quote from: donelli on July 06, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
This 3pm throw in time for saturday will keep the crowds well down. Very early in the day, on a day a lot of folk work.
And all for showing on tv, even though there is 2 more games on afterwards!!
i predict a lot less attendance than last saturdays game.
we'll be lucky to have 5-6,000 at the game.
I can already hear the RTE pundits coming out with stuff like 'the supporters are voting with their feet' and that fans are 'fed up with the ulster slogging match' when they realise that saturday's attendance will be down on previous games when in reality the time and day of the fixture are the main factors. I myself could struggle to make the game because of the time alone.
The sort of thing Tommy Lyons or Bernard Flynn would let out of them.
Quote from: cusack og on July 07, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 06, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
This 3pm throw in time for saturday will keep the crowds well down. Very early in the day, on a day a lot of folk work.
And all for showing on tv, even though there is 2 more games on afterwards!!
i predict a lot less attendance than last saturdays game.
we'll be lucky to have 5-6,000 at the game.
I can already hear the RTE pundits coming out with stuff like 'the supporters are voting with their feet' and that fans are 'fed up with the ulster slogging match' when they realise that saturday's attendance will be down on previous games when in reality the time and day of the fixture are the main factors. I myself could struggle to make the game because of the time alone.
The sort of thing Tommy Lyons or Bernard Flynn would let out of them.
The game is on a Saturday;
It's on at 3.00 in the afternoon, when many are still working;
It's live on TV;
Derry don't travel in huge numbers;
Oxegen is on this weekend; and
Bruce is playing the RDS on Saturday.
If there 2 men and a dog at the game it will be a result!
They were really thinking oof the supporters when they fixed it for 3 on a Saturday afternoon in fairness.
QuoteFreeman in limbo
07 July 2009
For Tomas Freeman this Saturday is another gut wrenching experience as he sits out the game against Derry in the All Ireland qualifiers, the second game he has missed following the imposition of an 8 weeks penalty for an alleged incident in the game against Derry on May 24th. To say that Tomas Freeman is a victim of bureaucracy would not be an overstatement by any stretch of imagination as his efforts to gain some measure of justice have been thwarted at every turn. The final avenue of appeal in all matters in the GAA now is that the DRA but Freeman was even denied that, his appeal not even heard and deemed out of order as "all avenues within the GAA system had not been exhausted". He availed of the initial hearing after the proposed penalty had been notified to him, that failed while the case of the two Derry players succeeded, he appealed that decision and won the appeal but did not benefit from the victory as the technicalities on which he won the appeal were deemed to be "administrative errors" and the matter was sent back for "reprocessing" with the result that the penalty stood. Having gone that route the only other avenue available was to go directly to the DRA. That hearing took place on Friday night last but following an objection by the Central Appeals Committee regarding his rights to go to the DRA at this stage, his appeal was ruled out of order and he is now the victim of the system that was put in place to supposedly avoid what has happened here in that he did not even benefit from either the rules of the Association or natural justice. Tomas Freeman's 8 week suspension expires on Saturday week, July 18th at 12 midnight which means that should Monaghan progress against Derry he will miss the following game as well. The injustice will be felt even more when he sees two Derry players in action that were suspended for something that actually happened while his was an "attempted" incident. It really does take some understanding.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114476
What the hell does that mean? That implies that if he goes through some other stage it will then be okay to go back to the DRA. Although it does appear than Monaghan have given up chasing this one. Madness.
If I dont go it'll be one of the very few games I've missed all year, but I just dont know if I could be bothered. With it being on tv and everything I may decide to sit on a high stool.
I see something similar to Armagh 2 years ago....the Derry 500 (which was actually more like the Derry Dozen).
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 07, 2009, 06:18:53 PM
If I dont go it'll be one of the very few games I've missed all year, but I just dont know if I could be bothered. With it being on tv and everything I may decide to sit on a high stool.
I see something similar to Armagh 2 years ago....the Derry 500 (which was actually more like the Derry Dozen).
Jaysus does that mean we have to listen to the "real derry supporters" harping on about it for the next few months if Derry win!?!??!
"I was one of the Derry 500 blah blah blah....."
Tommy Freeman has been really hard done by, the disciplinary process is a joke.
QuoteHe was MOTM against Kerry in 2007
We brought out the best in him. You lads should be thankful for what a fair and sporting team we are. It was probably the highlight of his career.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 07, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
QuoteHe was MOTM against Kerry in 2007
We brought out the best in him. You lads should be thankful for what a fair and sporting team we are. It was probably the highlight of his career.
What a load of crap. You have plenty of your own discipline problems.
As for it being the highlight of his career, I remember him being presented with the award after the match and being so disappointed with the result that winning MOTM was irrelevant.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 07, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
QuoteHe was MOTM against Kerry in 2007
We brought out the best in him. You lads should be thankful for what a fair and sporting team we are. It was probably the highlight of his career.
What a load of crap. You have plenty of your own discipline problems.
As for it being the highlight of his career, I remember him being presented with the award after the match and being so disappointed with the result that winning MOTM was irrelevant.
True, it was as gutted a man of the match i've ever seen
I agree with most here. Think the attendence on suday is going to be a disaster. Cant see people travelling to this game in droves. Only reason why I'm going is that I'm heading on to Dublin for a concert.
Last weeks Monaghan Armagh match would have put you off football!
im working so they definitely should change it...
The punishment handed down to Thomas Freeman is a disgrace. Compared to the punishment given to Mullan and Doherty, it is a travesty of justice.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on July 08, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
The punishment handed down to Thomas Freeman is a disgrace. Compared to the punishment given to Mullan and Doherty, it is a travesty of justice.
I think in the end it came down to the fact that both Doherty and Mullan were provoked before their actions and this was proven using video evidence by former All-Ireland winning footballer and well respected RTE Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly. In Freeman's case it seemed that his headbutt on Kevin McGuckin was in no way provoked and therefore any appeal for a reduction in suspension was rejected.
Having said all that Freeman is a class act of a player and his loss will be a huge one especially considering how poor the monaghan full forward line were against armagh. Plus it doesn't seem that there is any strength in depth there at all, we know about Hanratty's limitations and ur fella Meegan looked way off the pace. Suppose you couldn't rule out Corey being fired in up front at number 14. From a Derry point of view I think it will take moments of brilliance again from individuals such as Eoin Bradley and Kielt if we are to get over the line in this one.
Quote from: cusack og on July 08, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on July 08, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
The punishment handed down to Thomas Freeman is a disgrace. Compared to the punishment given to Mullan and Doherty, it is a travesty of justice.
I think in the end it came down to the fact that both Doherty and Mullan were provoked before their actions and this was proven using video evidence by former All-Ireland winning footballer and well respected RTE Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly. In Freeman's case it seemed that his headbutt on Kevin McGuckin was in no way provoked and therefore any appeal for a reduction in suspension was rejected.
Having said all that Freeman is a class act of a player and his loss will be a huge one especially considering how poor the monaghan full forward line were against armagh. Plus it doesn't seem that there is any strength in depth there at all, we know about Hanratty's limitations and ur fella Meegan looked way off the pace. Suppose you couldn't rule out Corey being fired in up front at number 14. From a Derry point of view I think it will take moments of brilliance again from individuals such as Eoin Bradley and Kielt if we are to get over the line in this one.
1. The complete match was provocation. Freeman was getting up from the ground after a tussle with McGuckian and another Derry player = provocation. Doherty swung the boot at Dick Clerkins ankles unprovoked and shouldered McQuaid in the chest unprovoked so I don't see the provocation argument at all I have to say.
2. There in lies a bigger problem than any of the on-field antics in my opinion. Mr Joe Brolly, the Judge and jury himself. He sat on national TV and came on national radio and unopposedly criticised Monaghan and worst of all individual players meanwhile he's preparing a case for the defense of Fergal Doherty. There's nothing fair or sportsman like about that despite what he attempted to dress it up as. It's a clear abuse of poistion of power and RTE should reconsider his position as an 'impartial analyst/pundit'.
As Joe Brolly and the legal types would utter, I rest my case.
I think Derry will run out handy winners here in the end. Last week's doggedness is sure to take its toll on Banty's side whilst Derry aren't as bad as they showed against Tyrone. Doherty's return and the Bradley resurrection means all the positive pointers are in Derry's favour. Monaghan struggled for scores without Freeman but were lucky they came up against an abysmal outfit. They'll not cope this time.
Derry by 6.
I see the Clones Cyclone (aka Marty Duffy) has been handed the task of mediating on Saturday..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
I see the Clones Cyclone (aka Marty Duffy) has been handed the task of mediating on Saturday..
I wonder what Colm o Rourkes views on this appointment will be?
He previous stated that this whistler was to small in stature to ref a mans game
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
1. The complete match was provocation. Freeman was getting up from the ground after a tussle with McGuckian and another Derry player = provocation. Doherty swung the boot at Dick Clerkins ankles unprovoked and shouldered McQuaid in the chest unprovoked so I don't see the provocation argument at all I have to say.
2. There in lies a bigger problem than any of the on-field antics in my opinion. Mr Joe Brolly, the Judge and jury himself. He sat on national TV and came on national radio and unopposedly criticised Monaghan and worst of all individual players meanwhile he's preparing a case for the defense of Fergal Doherty. There's nothing fair or sportsman like about that despite what he attempted to dress it up as. It's a clear abuse of poistion of power and RTE should reconsider his position as an 'impartial analyst/pundit'.
As Joe Brolly and the legal types would utter, I rest my case.
I take it you actually weren't at the game? Freeman was acting the maggot all day, have never seen him like this so dont know why he decided to act like this against Derry. As for Doc kicking Dick unprovoked, I will not even bother going down that road, you're clearly having a laugh.
Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.
Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.
It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.
Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.
It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.
Dont like being call fella, but I'll let you away with it, this time.
I agree with the poor interpretation of the rules. To me this goes back to the Tommy McGuigan incident. I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same. Personally I thought it warranted 8 weeks. Freeman's is certainly very harsh and although I say he was acting the maggot I dont think he deserved such a lengthy suspension. Doc and Clerkin were at it all day, Doc just happened to be caught. If you're caught then you can have no complaints.
Grandmaster - you should be angry with your own manager and county board.
Banty and Co. strolled up to the CCCCCCCCC with no legal council and demanded the ban be lifted completely - how arrogant and idiotic is that?
When that didn't work they went looking for loopholes and technicalities to get off ....
Derry CB on the other hand went up with properly advised legal representation and video evidence and said "We're sorry ... there was some provocation and our boys reacted wrong, they apologise, won't happen again, and can we please have the ban reduced a bit we think it's a bit harsh?"
Which was the smartest option when all is said an done?
As i said earlier I think Freemans ban was harsh. Was happy Doc & BM got their's reduced to 4 weeks, probably about fair, if TF had got the same I'm sure everybody would have gone home happy.
I don't think either side has much leeway to be giving out about the other being dirty, we were both at it, some got caught, some got away, we've all been there. saturday is a new day.
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
I don't believe he gave an answer when he was asked if he'd defend Clerkin, if it had been required and he had been asked, so I wouldn't be so sure on that one.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: cusack og on July 08, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on July 08, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
The punishment handed down to Thomas Freeman is a disgrace. Compared to the punishment given to Mullan and Doherty, it is a travesty of justice.
I think in the end it came down to the fact that both Doherty and Mullan were provoked before their actions and this was proven using video evidence by former All-Ireland winning footballer and well respected RTE Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly. In Freeman's case it seemed that his headbutt on Kevin McGuckin was in no way provoked and therefore any appeal for a reduction in suspension was rejected.
Having said all that Freeman is a class act of a player and his loss will be a huge one especially considering how poor the monaghan full forward line were against armagh. Plus it doesn't seem that there is any strength in depth there at all, we know about Hanratty's limitations and ur fella Meegan looked way off the pace. Suppose you couldn't rule out Corey being fired in up front at number 14. From a Derry point of view I think it will take moments of brilliance again from individuals such as Eoin Bradley and Kielt if we are to get over the line in this one.
1. The complete match was provocation.
not to go over old ground, but the entire match fell to sh!t discipline wise after Dessie Mone punched Paddy Bradley a few times in the kidney region before the ball was even thrown in, this is what Monaghan had set out to bring to the table
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
As i said earlier I think Freemans ban was harsh. Was happy Doc & BM got their's reduced to 4 weeks, probably about fair, if TF had got the same I'm sure everybody would have gone home happy.
I don't think either side has much leeway to be giving out about the other being dirty, we were both at it, some got caught, some got away, we've all been there. saturday is a new day.
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
Did he charge DCB?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 08, 2009, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
I don't believe he gave an answer when he was asked if he'd defend Clerkin, if it had been required and he had been asked, so I wouldn't be so sure on that one.
When and by whom was he asked this question about Clerkin? Dick didn't need defending anyway, sure he done nothing wrong..... ;)
Quote from: JohnDenver on July 08, 2009, 12:10:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 08, 2009, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
I don't believe he gave an answer when he was asked if he'd defend Clerkin, if it had been required and he had been asked, so I wouldn't be so sure on that one.
When and by whom was he asked this question about Clerkin? Dick didn't need defending anyway, sure he done nothing wrong..... ;)
Was it not on RTÉ? I'm sure someone else can clarify. He dodged the question.
Quote from: peterquaife on July 08, 2009, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: cusack og on July 08, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on July 08, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
The punishment handed down to Thomas Freeman is a disgrace. Compared to the punishment given to Mullan and Doherty, it is a travesty of justice.
I think in the end it came down to the fact that both Doherty and Mullan were provoked before their actions and this was proven using video evidence by former All-Ireland winning footballer and well respected RTE Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly. In Freeman's case it seemed that his headbutt on Kevin McGuckin was in no way provoked and therefore any appeal for a reduction in suspension was rejected.
Having said all that Freeman is a class act of a player and his loss will be a huge one especially considering how poor the monaghan full forward line were against armagh. Plus it doesn't seem that there is any strength in depth there at all, we know about Hanratty's limitations and ur fella Meegan looked way off the pace. Suppose you couldn't rule out Corey being fired in up front at number 14. From a Derry point of view I think it will take moments of brilliance again from individuals such as Eoin Bradley and Kielt if we are to get over the line in this one.
1. The complete match was provocation.
not to go over old ground, but the entire match fell to sh!t discipline wise after Dessie Mone punched Paddy Bradley a few times in the kidney region before the ball was even thrown in, this is what Monaghan had set out to bring to the table
Whilst not forgetting McGoldrick thumping Finlay from behind as the ball was been thrown in of course.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 08, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
It was Colm O Rourke, but in fairness he could hardly comment when he has just represented someone in a case against Clerkin.
Why not, if it was a hypothetical question?
I didn't know Dick Clerkin needed to be defended, was he charged with any offence? What i was pointing out was the difference in the role of commentator and that of acting as legal counsel at a hearing. I'm sure if Brolly had been asked to assist in the defence of Freeman he probably would have done so. I'm sure he will in future be asked by other counties to defend their players. Brolly would be perfectly capable of slating a players actions on the Sunday Game in his role as pundit and defending them at hearing at a later date in his role as a legal professional. There is no clash of interest here as far as i can see. I imagine he wouldn't going onto RTE to proclaim his willingness to represent players, htat would be advertising. Having said all that i hope he wouldn't represent a player if Derry were palying them in the next round!! :D
There may be a clash of interest in his role as an 'independent' pundit for matches involving Derry as obviously he has a gra for his own county [and rightly so], but this is a matter for RTE to address.
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 08, 2009, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.
Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.
It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.
Dont like being call fella, but I'll let you away with it, this time.
I agree with the poor interpretation of the rules. To me this goes back to the Tommy McGuigan incident. I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same. Personally I thought it warranted 8 weeks. Freeman's is certainly very harsh and although I say he was acting the maggot I dont think he deserved such a lengthy suspension. Doc and Clerkin were at it all day, Doc just happened to be caught. If you're caught then you can have no complaints.
Yeah right
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
I didn't know Dick Clerkin needed to be defended, was he charged with any offence?
Once again: It was a
hypothetical question. Dick did not need to be defended; he was not charged with any offence.
Quote from: tyronefan on July 08, 2009, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 08, 2009, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.
Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.
It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.
Dont like being call fella, but I'll let you away with it, this time.
I agree with the poor interpretation of the rules. To me this goes back to the Tommy McGuigan incident. I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same. Personally I thought it warranted 8 weeks. Freeman's is certainly very harsh and although I say he was acting the maggot I dont think he deserved such a lengthy suspension. Doc and Clerkin were at it all day, Doc just happened to be caught. If you're caught then you can have no complaints.
Yeah right
Why do you say that? I think if that had have been the marker then Derry would have had no basis for an appeal. But the fact that McGuigan got 4 weeks for the same offcence, it made sense to appeal it. I look forward to another intelligent response from you. "Yeah right" will be hard to top in fairness ::)
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 08, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on July 08, 2009, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 08, 2009, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
Listen fella - I was at the game but did not see Doc swiping at Clerkin. I am (like the legal counsel and Joe Brolly) basing my evidence on the TV footage - the same TV footage as you were presented with. Freeman was hardly on his own in 'acting the maggot' all day. No one is suggesting that either team is free of sin, not by a long shot. The fact remains that the two Derry lads actually struck and got four weeks and the Monaghan man attempted to strike and got 8 weeks. I'm hardly blaming you personally for this but it's wrong, end of story.
Maybe we should get McGuckian to write a nicely worded letter on fragrant paper to the DRA/CAC/ABC/RUC/PSNI and any other quango kangaroo court that exists within the sport categorically stating that Freeman didn't actually strike with the head.
It's the interpretation of the rules that I take umbrage with.
Dont like being call fella, but I'll let you away with it, this time.
I agree with the poor interpretation of the rules. To me this goes back to the Tommy McGuigan incident. I think if he had have got 8 weeks then Mullan would have accepted the same. Personally I thought it warranted 8 weeks. Freeman's is certainly very harsh and although I say he was acting the maggot I dont think he deserved such a lengthy suspension. Doc and Clerkin were at it all day, Doc just happened to be caught. If you're caught then you can have no complaints.
Yeah right
Why do you say that? I think if that had have been the marker then Derry would have had no basis for an appeal. But the fact that McGuigan got 4 weeks for the same offcence, it made sense to appeal it. I look forward to another intelligent response from you. "Yeah right" will be hard to top in fairness ::)
Not forgetting as well Sideline that McGuigan actually appealed the 4-week ban!!
Well remembered Will, obviously they must have felt a knee in the crigs is part of the game!
Quote from: JMohan on July 08, 2009, 11:19:47 AM
Grandmaster - you should be angry with your own manager and county board.
Banty and Co. strolled up to the CCCCCCCCC with no legal council and demanded the ban be lifted completely - how arrogant and idiotic is that?
When that didn't work they went looking for loopholes and technicalities to get off ....
Derry CB on the other hand went up with properly advised legal representation and video evidence and said "We're sorry ... there was some provocation and our boys reacted wrong, they apologise, won't happen again, and can we please have the ban reduced a bit we think it's a bit harsh?"
Which was the smartest option when all is said an done?
Ignorant to the mechanics of the CCCCCCCCC yes, arrogant and/or idiotic not. There's no doubt Derry were better prepared, I'm not disputing that. How do you know what either the Derry/Monaghan county board said and how do you know Monaghan didn't apologise perfusely. Am I missing something??
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 08, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
As i said earlier I think Freemans ban was harsh. Was happy Doc & BM got their's reduced to 4 weeks, probably about fair, if TF had got the same I'm sure everybody would have gone home happy.
I don't think either side has much leeway to be giving out about the other being dirty, we were both at it, some got caught, some got away, we've all been there. saturday is a new day.
As regards the criticism of Brolly in this matter. Had he been asked to represent Tommy Freeman at this hearing i am sure Joe would have gladly gone to bat for him with the same degree of professionalism as he did for the 2 Derry boys. It is also likely that he would have got a similar result. If you's didn't
Irrelevant Keyser. The point is he shouldn't be representing anyone whilst working as a pundit for RTE. End of story.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 08, 2009, 11:19:47 AM
Grandmaster - you should be angry with your own manager and county board.
Banty and Co. strolled up to the CCCCCCCCC with no legal council and demanded the ban be lifted completely - how arrogant and idiotic is that?
When that didn't work they went looking for loopholes and technicalities to get off ....
Derry CB on the other hand went up with properly advised legal representation and video evidence and said "We're sorry ... there was some provocation and our boys reacted wrong, they apologise, won't happen again, and can we please have the ban reduced a bit we think it's a bit harsh?"
Which was the smartest option when all is said an done?
Ignorant to the mechanics of the CCCCCCCCC yes, arrogant and/or idiotic not. There's no doubt Derry were better prepared, I'm not disputing that. How do you know what either the Derry/Monaghan county board said and how do you know Monaghan didn't apologise perfusely. Am I missing something??
Well it's obvious that the Monaghan County board screwed up - so it's got nothing to do with Brolly, the CCCCCC or anyone else
Point the finger back home
Quote from: JMohan on July 08, 2009, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 08, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 08, 2009, 11:19:47 AM
Grandmaster - you should be angry with your own manager and county board.
Banty and Co. strolled up to the CCCCCCCCC with no legal council and demanded the ban be lifted completely - how arrogant and idiotic is that?
When that didn't work they went looking for loopholes and technicalities to get off ....
Derry CB on the other hand went up with properly advised legal representation and video evidence and said "We're sorry ... there was some provocation and our boys reacted wrong, they apologise, won't happen again, and can we please have the ban reduced a bit we think it's a bit harsh?"
Which was the smartest option when all is said an done?
Ignorant to the mechanics of the CCCCCCCCC yes, arrogant and/or idiotic not. There's no doubt Derry were better prepared, I'm not disputing that. How do you know what either the Derry/Monaghan county board said and how do you know Monaghan didn't apologise perfusely. Am I missing something??
Well it's obvious that the Monaghan County board screwed up - so it's got nothing to do with Brolly, the CCCCCC or anyone else
Point the finger back home
It's not
obvious, it's an
assumption. Unless you were there of course.
What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 08, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
And by that logic Doherty and Mullan were seen to strike an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 08, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 08, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 08, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
And by that logic Doherty and Mullan were seen to strike an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
Strike with the knee warrants 4 weeks
Kicking with minimal force warrants 4 weeks
check it out, then build a bridge and get over it,
Correct!
But then, what would Banty have to complain about?
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 08, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 08, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 08, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
What's the problem here anyway? Freeman attempted to headbutt an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
And by that logic Doherty and Mullan were seen to strike an opponent - 8 week ban. end of story.
Strike with the knee warrants 4 weeks
Kicking with minimal force warrants 4 weeks
check it out, then build a bridge and get over it,
Yes, I suppose my mistake is looking for logic in this system in the first place.
But anyway, i've accepted that the ban is there and whilst Tommy is a big loss it's still very possible to do it without him.
Monaghan play better while still feeling the bruises from the previous game, strange to some, but the result stats support it.
The banjaxed bar is higher in Monaghan than in most other counties. This team can batter 2 Ulster teams into submission inside 7 days, score some quality winning points, then a few days later, stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Kerry, for 68 or so minutes.
Feck me, still some whinging going on here and its laughable at the Derry heads still crying the victims and talking of been provoked by the animals of Monaghan.
Derry can't be beat by enough on Saturday, would love it be a great display of football that does it but it'll prob be a tough encounter and a real battle, as the medai aare describing it already.
I don't care how Derry are beat to be honest. Glad Bradley and McCloy will be available, as no excuses can be used.
Strangely enough in the lead up to the 2007 game Bradley wasn't meant to be playing, with a suspension hanging over him, although he did end up playing on the day. I'm hoping he's playing this Saturday as well. No room for excuses.
As for Monaghan, I think that whilst it's a big loss, we can pull through again without Tommy. We managed without Finlay in 2007 and 2008 and he's arguably every bit as important as Tommy.
I just hope to god that Monaghan concentrate on playing football this time round. Thats two games against two Ulster teams that you have dragged the standard down.
Derry by 3.
The Derry disciplinary record against Monaghan has been very poor, as recorded in the card count and sending offs.
I don't expect Derry to be as impotent as they were last time in Clones but I think some sting will be gone from their tail since Tyrone spanked them. I would even be more encouraged r if Monaghan can somehow prevent that soft sloppy goal that Derry seem to score against us.
I would hardly say "very poor". I just think it will be interesting this time round with the linesmen and umpires more aware of what Monaghan are all about, hopefully they wont hold back on informing the ref of their antics. Doc to get man of the match, then put his trophy on ebay and give the proceeds to charity. My kind of captain.
Mone will be lined. Clerkin will not be able to get away with his normal stuff so will be very quiet. Derry will dominate midfield and win the game by 3 points. Paddy kicking 7 or 8 (equally dispersed between both feet and possibly the odd one with the fist).
I genuinely believe that we are well ahead of Monaghan in the talent stakes but they just always seem to be that kind of opposition that cause us bother. I'm thinking back to the early 90's and being about 10 points ahead in Castleblayney before we needed a last gasp goal just to get a draw and then Peter Duffy running riot against us in the late 90's, think we sneaked a draw that day too. I would just love us to go out and fulfill our natural footballing ability and get the scores on the board instead of constantly chasing games which would maybe give us supporters an easier time of it......or maybe that's just part and parcel of being a derry fan :(
Cusack, it is you and morons like you that has derry in the position that they are in. derry talent, talent, talent, if we had that much talent we wouldn't be 1998 since we played in an ulsre final, we wouldn't have beaten in the 1st round of the minors and u21 this year. Football in Derry is failing and peole like you running round talking about talent. Get a bit of disciline and courage into them boys and go out play an d stop whinging about boys hitting you. Its a mans game.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on July 08, 2009, 06:23:50 PM
Cusack, it is you and morons like you that has derry in the position that they are in. derry talent, talent, talent, if we had that much talent we wouldn't be 1998 since we played in an ulsre final, we wouldn't have beaten in the 1st round of the minors and u21 this year. Football in Derry is failing and peole like you running round talking about talent. Get a bit of disciline and courage into them boys and go out play an d stop whinging about boys hitting you. Its a mans game.
last ulster final defeat was by a point to armagh in 2000 (i think).
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 08, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
I just think it will be interesting this time round with the linesmen and umpires more aware of what Monaghan are all about, hopefully they wont hold back on informing the ref of their antics.
I think that they'll be well aware of what both teams are at.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on July 08, 2009, 06:23:50 PM
Cusack, it is you and morons like you that has derry in the position that they are in. derry talent, talent, talent, if we had that much talent we wouldn't be 1998 since we played in an ulsre final, we wouldn't have beaten in the 1st round of the minors and u21 this year. Football in Derry is failing and peole like you running round talking about talent. Get a bit of disciline and courage into them boys and go out play an d stop whinging about boys hitting you. Its a mans game.
tfal, I think you've ever so slightly misread what i was trying to say. I'm not trying to claim that Derry are the most talented team in the business because we're not but I was making a lighthearted plea for Derry to give us supporters a break and put in a performance were we take the game to the opposition from the off instead of the usual championship form in the past 10 years or so were we are constantly chasing games. God supporting Derry can be as frustrating as it gets. Its about chanelling our talent into an effective gameplan which we've never really managed to do in recent times and it won't be fixed overnight. But i can be optimistic that we will get there...
Maybe Derry are more suited to challenge games.
Just a thought.
They don't perform when faced by a team supposedly not versed in the dark arts and when faced with a team supposedly well versed in the dark arts, they lose the head and look kinda unnatural with their version of getting stuck in.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8141849.stm
Derry have confirmed that defender Niall McCusker will play no further part in this year's Championship because of a groin problem.
The Ballinderry man has been dogged by injuries and requires an operation.
"He is such a good footballer and will be a significant loss," Derry manager Damian Cassidy told the Irish News.
Meanwhile, the Cassidy is hoping Kevin McGuckin's red card against Tyrone will be rescinded by the GAA's Central Hearings Committee on Thursday night.
McGuckin clashed with opponent Sean Cavanagh during the Ulster semi-final.
Cavanagh is understood to have written a letter supporting McGuckin's case.
Cassidy said he would be surprised if the red card verdict was not reversed.
Fergal Doherty and Brian Mullan return to the Derry panel after suspensions.
John Kielt, out for five weeks with a broken jaw, is now back in contention for a place in Cassidy's starting 15.
Paddy Bradley is expected to play for Derry after taking part in training on Tuesday night.
BBC Sport revealed on Monday that an unhappy Bradley had opted out of the Oak Leaf squad on Sunday morning but he has since had a change of mind.
James Conway has not been asked to rejoin the panel while Enda Muldoon remains sidelined for another two weeks because of an ankle injury.
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It'll be interesting to see the outcome of McGuckian's red card offense. I thought he was harshly sidelined but it will highlight the consistency (or lack there of perhaps) of the powers that be..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 09, 2009, 11:47:45 AM
It'll be interesting to see the outcome of McGuckian's red card offense. I thought he was harshly sidelined but it will highlight the consistency (or lack there of perhaps) of the powers that be..
And again, ridiculous that so many weeks after the game and it's still not resolved!
Quote from: Main Street on July 08, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
Maybe Derry are more suited to challenge games.
Just a thought.
They don't perform when faced by a team supposedly not versed in the dark arts and when faced with a team supposedly well versed in the dark arts, they lose the head and look kinda unnatural with their version of getting stuck in.
would kind of agree with that
Derry players are either able (debatable) to firstly play football or secondly fight.
they cannot do both.
While some might disagree or even laugh, the niggly/fouling/hitting off putting tactics used by a lot of players throughout the counties IS an Art of sorts.
I dont like it and never have, but in moments of weakness retaliation to it got me booked a few times when I used to play.
Other times you had to simply get on with it and when you had the ball and IF the opportunity was there to 'do' the niggly fecker, you took it.
Most times you wouldnt get booked or even concede a free if you did it right!
Ignoring it or being able to retaliate in that manner are the only answers to it.
Running away from it and being put off the game or fighting and being put off the game or indeed off the field just simply lose the battle against it.
Derry dont have a good record against this kind of football at intercounty level !
I though we might have had at least 1 team announed by now. I suppose Derry are waiting on McGuckin's hearing tonight. My team for Monaghan as follows:
McBennett
D Mone Corey McArdle
Freeman McQuaid Hughes
Lennon Clerkin
Gollogly Finlay McManus
Downey Ronaghan Woods
Potential Sub options:
Hanratty for Gollogly, with Woods moving out to half forward and Hanratty into the forward line
McKenna for Clerkin or Lennon in midfield (seemed to work well last week)
JP Mone in at FB to allow Corey to move into attack (possibly to replace Downey or Ronaghan)
McGuigan into the forward line to replace any of the front 3
The front line is obviously the main area for potential weaknesses, although I think we have a number of options if things aren't working. It's just a matter of Banty making the substitutions earlier than the last 10 minutes of the game.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 09, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
I though we might have had at least 1 team announed by now. I suppose Derry are waiting on McGuckin's hearing tonight. My team for Monaghan as follows:
McBennett
D Mone Corey McArdle
Freeman McQuaid Hughes
Lennon Clerkin
Gollogly Finlay McManus
Downey Ronaghan Woods
Potential Sub options:
Hanratty for Gollogly, with Woods moving out to half forward and Hanratty into the forward line
McKenna for Clerkin or Lennon in midfield (seemed to work well last week)
JP Mone in at FB to allow Corey to move into attack (possibly to replace Downey or Ronaghan)
McGuigan into the forward line to replace any of the front 3
The front line is obviously the main area for potential weaknesses, although I think we have a number of options if things aren't working. It's just a matter of Banty making the substitutions earlier than the last 10 minutes of the game.
Question - Who'll be the sweeper in front of Bradley?
Suggestion - Swap Hughes and McQuaid
Damien Freeman possibly to drop back in front of Bradley; maybe McManus falling back a bit deeper too.
What do the Monaghan people on here think of Hanratty as a footballer?
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
What do the Monaghan people on here think of Hanratty as a footballer?
He definitely has the potential to be good, although I think his confidence has taken a knock of late.
Some of his finishing has let him down, but he's got good speed and can fluster defenders - often worth a free or two. Probably needs to look up a bit more to give the pass away rather than try and shoot himself from difficult/impossible positions. I think he's going to come good one of these days - he's still young.
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
What do the Monaghan people on here think of Hanratty as a footballer?
Pace to burn. Needs to be more direct. Gather the ball out in front, turn, pick a straight line for goal and head for it, either take a score or win a free, pretty simple. Hanratty tends to elaboratre on all of the aforementioned tasks i.e. runs for the corner, head down, poor shot selection.
He's definitely got talent and I'd hope he'd come good but I think coaching someone at that stage may be easier said than done. I'd stick with him though. If we could get him running in straight direct lines at least it'd be a great start!
It'll be interesting to see if McArdle and D Freeman pull through. Hopefully it was a bout of cramp in both cases on Sat last but they both looked in pain by the end of it! D Freeman gave/took some big hits also!
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 09, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
What do the Monaghan people on here think of Hanratty as a footballer?
He definitely has the potential to be good, although I think his confidence has taken a knock of late.
Some of his finishing has let him down, but he's got good speed and can fluster defenders - often worth a free or two. Probably needs to look up a bit more to give the pass away rather than try and shoot himself from difficult/impossible positions. I think he's going to come good one of these days - he's still young.
I think thats a good description. He dances and bounces about and its very off putting. Even if he's not going anywhere he looks like he's causing problems.
I think Hanners will come good again someday (hopefully soon). His confidence just fell to pieces during the league this year being thrown on and then taken off again. The miss against Kerry in Croke Park after a brilliant run may have had something to do with it. I agree with the description that he "dances and bounces about" and if he became more direct it would help or even just use his speed to go around defenders without throwing 5 or 6 dummies. A couple of points would cure alot of his current problems I reckon. He did win a good ball towards the end v armagh, won his free and moved the ball on quickly from it. But just as his luck has been all year the linesman penalised McManus (I think) for going out over the line once he collected the pass.
As for Saturday I wouldn't start him. If JP Mone was fit I'd have Vinny at FF but when he made no appearance last week I can't see this happening. So I think the same 15 will start as last sat with only Downey under threat. McManus could start in the corner with maybe McGuigan operating the defensive half forward role.
be very interesting to note derry team selection on saturday. There is no way Diver should be moved out of midfield after his performance against Tyrone. Re-jigging the shape of the team to accomodate Patsy could prove a hinderance. Dont get me wrong I think Patsy is a great player.
I hope Brian Mullan starts anyway. Cant be a place for Lynn or Brown IMO but could be brought in.
I think the ref will be VERY strict early on and umpires and linesmen will play a big role also after all the bad publicity about the game in Celtic Park. This may clean up the game as a spectacle, here's hoping.
With all the goings on in derry of late, i cant see a lot of supporters voting with their feet and travelling to Clones. Everyone was down after the Tyrone defeat and its manner but at the end of the day even if kerry were playing tyrone this weekend or any team in Ireland for that matter, tyrone would be favourites. I hope a bit of pride is restored in the jersey and derry put up a good fight and dont drop the heads at any stage. Has been all too common the past couple of years, in games where we have trailed by a slim enough margin, it feels like ten points behind. Dont want to see body language like that on the field!
Derry can still win, Im going for a hesitant two point win.
Quote from: timmyot501 on July 09, 2009, 02:35:56 PM
I think Hanners will come good again someday (hopefully soon). His confidence just fell to pieces during the league this year being thrown on and then taken off again. The miss against Kerry in Croke Park after a brilliant run may have had something to do with it. I agree with the description that he "dances and bounces about" and if he became more direct it would help or even just use his speed to go around defenders without throwing 5 or 6 dummies. A couple of points would cure alot of his current problems I reckon. He did win a good ball towards the end v armagh, won his free and moved the ball on quickly from it. But just as his luck has been all year the linesman penalised McManus (I think) for going out over the line once he collected the pass.
As for Saturday I wouldn't start him. If JP Mone was fit I'd have Vinny at FF but when he made no appearance last week I can't see this happening. So I think the same 15 will start as last sat with only Downey under threat. McManus could start in the corner with maybe McGuigan operating the defensive half forward role.
It was McManus, however whilst his foot was over the line, the ball wasn't. The linesman made the wrong call with that one - I was right in front of it.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 09, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
It was McManus, however whilst his foot was over the line, the ball wasn't. The linesman made the wrong call with that one - I was right in front of it.
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I thought by the reaction near the sideline that it was a close call alright - It just makes Hanners luck even worse if that was the case :)
Hanratty could do with a haircut before he can be taken seriously...to much vidal sassoon that boy ;)
Seriously though I think he's one of those "has real potential" players. Really fast, has a bit of skill but his decision making lets him down. This should improve with experience. One for the future I would think.
I've absolutely no idea what way this game will go. It's probably a cert that there'll be a few early cards apart from that it's impossible to call. Monaghan were dire last week and still beat Armagh so that will give them a lift. Derry were poor against Tyrone and with all the other problems in recent weeks it's impossible to know if it has had an effect on the players. And now Niall McCusker is out for the year too.
If Derry have their heads right, I think they should win comfortably...otherwise an uncomfortable 2 point defeat.
Good to hear all the thoughts on Hanratty. I mind seein him burst onto the scene but lately he looks bit out of his depth. Hate saying that bout players so hopefully he can pull through and be a good county player. Well as long as he doesnt prove his worth on Saturday evening ;D
My dad described him harshly at Celtic Park, "The on Hanratty fella would run up his own ass if he could." Thought it was funny ::)
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Good to hear all the thoughts on Hanratty. I mind seein him burst onto the scene but lately he looks bit out of his depth. Hate saying that bout players so hopefully he can pull through and be a good county player. Well as long as he doesnt prove his worth on Saturday evening ;D
My dad described him harshly at Celtic Park, "The on Hanratty fella would run up his own ass if he could." Thought it was funny ::)
If you thought it was funny why would you not use a :D face instead of a ::) face. I have told you about this before. If you want me to explain when to use each of the faces you can PM me.
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 09, 2009, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Good to hear all the thoughts on Hanratty. I mind seein him burst onto the scene but lately he looks bit out of his depth. Hate saying that bout players so hopefully he can pull through and be a good county player. Well as long as he doesnt prove his worth on Saturday evening ;D
My dad described him harshly at Celtic Park, "The on Hanratty fella would run up his own ass if he could." Thought it was funny ::)
If you thought it was funny why would you not use a :D face instead of a ::) face. I have told you about this before. If you want me to explain when to use each of the faces you can PM me.
Are you some kinda emoticon trainer SidelineKick? Are there any courses coming up in the Belfast area anytime soon as I'm not that confident with the use of them myself. I feel I may have incorrectly used one on a knitting forum once and feel I could do with some formal training before attempting the use of them again. ::)
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.
Big miss surely, but reckon he'd be a bigger miss if Freeman was playing. Quality defender! Who'll take his place do ya reckon?
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 10, 2009, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 09, 2009, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 09, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Good to hear all the thoughts on Hanratty. I mind seein him burst onto the scene but lately he looks bit out of his depth. Hate saying that bout players so hopefully he can pull through and be a good county player. Well as long as he doesnt prove his worth on Saturday evening ;D
My dad described him harshly at Celtic Park, "The on Hanratty fella would run up his own ass if he could." Thought it was funny ::)
If you thought it was funny why would you not use a :D face instead of a ::) face. I have told you about this before. If you want me to explain when to use each of the faces you can PM me.
Are you some kinda emoticon trainer SidelineKick? Are there any courses coming up in the Belfast area anytime soon as I'm not that confident with the use of them myself. I feel I may have incorrectly used one on a knitting forum once and feel I could do with some formal training before attempting the use of them again. ::)
No no you have it down to a tee, just look, you used that "roll eyes" face extremely well.
If you look at HWAH's last posts he frequently uses different faces that have no connection to what he's saying. It grinds my gears. So much so that I might add it to that thread....things that make you go WTF?
Plus I am aware of who this geezer is, so please butt out of the "Derry emotion training" section of this thread
:'( :-* :-\ :-X ???
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
Big surprise that he wasn't successful. Given that there's a general consensus that the media has a big influence on these matters and that it was generally agreed that it was a harsh call, it's even more surprising.
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on July 09, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
be very interesting to note derry team selection on saturday. There is no way Diver should be moved out of midfield after his performance against Tyrone. Re-jigging the shape of the team to accomodate Patsy could prove a hinderance. Dont get me wrong I think Patsy is a great player.
I hope Brian Mullan starts anyway. Cant be a place for Lynn or Brown IMO but could be brought in.
I think the ref will be VERY strict early on and umpires and linesmen will play a big role also after all the bad publicity about the game in Celtic Park. This may clean up the game as a spectacle, here's hoping.
With all the goings on in derry of late, i cant see a lot of supporters voting with their feet and travelling to Clones. Everyone was down after the Tyrone defeat and its manner but at the end of the day even if kerry were playing tyrone this weekend or any team in Ireland for that matter, tyrone would be favourites. I hope a bit of pride is restored in the jersey and derry put up a good fight and dont drop the heads at any stage. Has been all too common the past couple of years, in games where we have trailed by a slim enough margin, it feels like ten points behind. Dont want to see body language like that on the field!
Derry can still win, Im going for a hesitant two point win.
2 Carloads
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 10, 2009, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.
Big miss surely, but reckon he'd be a bigger miss if Freeman was playing. Quality defender! Who'll take his place do ya reckon?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
Big surprise that he wasn't successful. Given that there's a general consensus that the media has a big influence on these matters and that it was generally agreed that it was a harsh call, it's even more surprising.
its not good but want you going to do? the common sense approach in the gaa is definately been left behind.
good point he would be a bigger miss with tommy freeman being out but i really an strugglin to think who is going to fill his shoes. perhaps gerard o'kane will fall back but i hope not. i like his style when he is attacking. i really am stumped as to who is going to start unless im overlookin people. maybe mcbride from screen or joe keenan from magherafelt. dunno tho
any thoughts sideline dick?
It says on the BBC that Monaghan are unchanged. Does that mean unchanged as in the lineout announced before last week's game (i.e. with JP in for Lennon), or unchanged as per last Saturday's starting 15?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:59:21 AM
It says on the BBC that Monaghan are unchanged. Does that mean unchanged as in the lineout announced before last week's game (i.e. with JP in for Lennon), or unchanged as per last Saturday's starting 15?
Irish news says it the same team that started last week. Including the fella who was subbed before half time
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:59:21 AM
It says on the BBC that Monaghan are unchanged. Does that mean unchanged as in the lineout announced before last week's game (i.e. with JP in for Lennon), or unchanged as per last Saturday's starting 15?
It's the team that started, here it is off the Monaghan GAA website:
1. McBennett
2. Dessie Mone
3. Vinny Corey
4. Dermot McArdle
5. Damien Freeman
6. Gary McQuaid
7. Darren Hughes
8. Eoin Lennon
9. Dick Clerkin
10. Stephen Gollogly
11. Paul Finlay
12. Conor McManus
13. Mark Downey
14. Raymond Ronaghan
15. Rory Woods
But sure there's bound to be a change or two. I'd like to see Hanratty start ahead of Downey myself. Also think JP should be starting regardless, but the backs look well as a unit and especially with Damien MOTM last week I don't see it being split up.
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 10, 2009, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.
Big miss surely, but reckon he'd be a bigger miss if Freeman was playing. Quality defender! Who'll take his place do ya reckon?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
Big surprise that he wasn't successful. Given that there's a general consensus that the media has a big influence on these matters and that it was generally agreed that it was a harsh call, it's even more surprising.
its not good but want you going to do? the common sense approach in the gaa is definately been left behind.
good point he would be a bigger miss with tommy freeman being out but i really an strugglin to think who is going to fill his shoes. perhaps gerard o'kane will fall back but i hope not. i like his style when he is attacking. i really am stumped as to who is going to start unless im overlookin people. maybe mcbride from screen or joe keenan from magherafelt. dunno tho
any thoughts sideline dick?
We coped without Lockhart the last day against mongahan, so it will probably be a similar defensive lineup - ie Lockhart in for McGuckin.
Quote from: Schkite on July 10, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:59:21 AM
It says on the BBC that Monaghan are unchanged. Does that mean unchanged as in the lineout announced before last week's game (i.e. with JP in for Lennon), or unchanged as per last Saturday's starting 15?
It's the team that started, here it is off the Monaghan GAA website:
1. McBennett
2. Dessie Mone
3. Vinny Corey
4. Dermot McArdle
5. Damien Freeman
6. Gary McQuaid
7. Darren Hughes
8. Eoin Lennon
9. Dick Clerkin
10. Stephen Gollogly
11. Paul Finlay
12. Conor McManus
13. Mark Downey
14. Raymond Ronaghan
15. Rory Woods
But sure there's bound to be a change or two. I'd like to see Hanratty start ahead of Downey myself. Also think JP should be starting regardless, but the backs look well as a unit and especially with Damien MOTM last week I don't see it being split up.
It will start like that ...
1. Damien will drop back as sweeper
2. McManus drop back into his spot
3. Woods will drop out further
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 10, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 10, 2009, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
One of the best parts of the derry-monaghan game in may was freeman and mcguckin's relentless battle. Both will be out for this, on what are very very harsh suspensions.
Big miss surely, but reckon he'd be a bigger miss if Freeman was playing. Quality defender! Who'll take his place do ya reckon?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
McGuckin is out of the game. Disaster.
Big surprise that he wasn't successful. Given that there's a general consensus that the media has a big influence on these matters and that it was generally agreed that it was a harsh call, it's even more surprising.
its not good but want you going to do? the common sense approach in the gaa is definately been left behind.
good point he would be a bigger miss with tommy freeman being out but i really an strugglin to think who is going to fill his shoes. perhaps gerard o'kane will fall back but i hope not. i like his style when he is attacking. i really am stumped as to who is going to start unless im overlookin people. maybe mcbride from screen or joe keenan from magherafelt. dunno tho
any thoughts sideline dick?
We coped without Lockhart the last day against mongahan, so it will probably be a similar defensive lineup - ie Lockhart in for McGuckin.
Yes, and if Freeman would have been playing it would be just more or less swapping like for like in defensive style
So what would your defensive line up be then?
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on July 10, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
So what would your defensive line up be then?
I posted this the other day on the Derry thread - so something like this:
B Gillis
S Lockhart (picking up Downey)
K McCloy (on Ronaghan)
G O'Kane (free man (not Freeman))
B Mullan (on McManus... again!)
B McGoldrick (on Finlay)
SL McGoldrick (on Woods)
F Doherty
P Bradley
C McKaigue (might have to come back to track Gollogly)
M Lynch
B McGuigan
S Bradley
E Bradley
J Kielt
B Gillis
S Lockhart K McCloy SL McGoldrick (Man-mark Woods)
B Mullan B McGoldrick (Man-mark Finlay)
G O'Kane
F Doherty Joe Diver
Patsy Bradley
B McGuigan M Lynch
E Bradley P Bradley J Kielt
If Freeman drops back - leave O'Kane the spare man to sit in behind midfield and attack from there
McGoldrick follows Finlay the whole day - even if he goes to midfield - this was Armagh's mistake with him the last day
Any chance SL McGoldrick gets to attack do - this will run the fat legs of Woods early
Patsy Drops back as an extra midfielder and leave room for Paddy or Eoin to run into and creates more pace for the sweeper to have to worry about
Keilt and Lynch can take turns going out deep
A few words with Cassidy in the IT
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0710/1224250388668.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0710/1224250388668.html)
He pays Monaghan a high complement - or doesn't rate Kerry, who knows.
Dismay with the draw? "That was the immediate 10-second feeling" Cassidy candidly recalls, "but because it was the toughest draw we could have got, that focuses the mind and without that focus you know you're going to lose."
On losing to Tyrone.
"The method we've been working on has gone well in training but when pressure comes on players go back to type"
What "type " is Cassidy referring to?
chokers?
Are Derry the new Donegal?
Should this game be hyped as The Chokers V the Stranglers.
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
On losing to Tyrone.
"The method we've been working on has gone well in training but when pressure comes on players go back to type"
Ignoring the other childish comments ....
... I don't know and I don't think anyone knows. They keep going on about a system - but it's football not rocket science.
I think they just need to go out and play football and not worry too much about systems to be honest.
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
He pays Monaghan a high complement - or doesn't rate Kerry, who knows.
Dismay with the draw? "That was the immediate 10-second feeling" Cassidy candidly recalls, "but because it was the toughest draw we could have got, that focuses the mind and without that focus you know you're going to lose."
Most managers let on that they've got the toughest draw, whether they mean it or not. There's a lot of bluff involved.
I have no personal gripe with the man, but why do people have Lynch in the "automatic inclusion" section?
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 10, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
I have no personal gripe with the man, but why do people have Lynch in the "automatic inclusion" section?
Decent ball carrrier, good for a point or two
I'd even try him in CB for a game or two
Quote from: JMohan on July 10, 2009, 11:48:34 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on July 10, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
I have no personal gripe with the man, but why do people have Lynch in the "automatic inclusion" section?
Decent ball carrrier, good for a point or two
I'd even try him in CB for a game or two
I would be on for trying him at CHB but in all his senior appearances I have never seen him put in a performance that warrants a start in his next game. Decent ball carrier, to me decent isnt enough. Good for a point or two, seldom, and usually from frees.
Baffles me.
He was a brilliant underage player at CHB, Derry have left it too long to move him there IMO.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
He pays Monaghan a high complement - or doesn't rate Kerry, who knows.
Dismay with the draw? "That was the immediate 10-second feeling" Cassidy candidly recalls, "but because it was the toughest draw we could have got, that focuses the mind and without that focus you know you're going to lose."
Most managers let on that they've got the toughest draw, whether they mean it or not. There's a lot of bluff involved.
Either that... or maybe... Derry couldn't have drawn Kerry!
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 10, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 10, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
He pays Monaghan a high complement - or doesn't rate Kerry, who knows.
Dismay with the draw? "That was the immediate 10-second feeling" Cassidy candidly recalls, "but because it was the toughest draw we could have got, that focuses the mind and without that focus you know you're going to lose."
Most managers let on that they've got the toughest draw, whether they mean it or not. There's a lot of bluff involved.
Either that... or maybe... Derry couldn't have drawn Kerry!
Good point!
True enough.
Is it the calm before the storm or Derry nerves kicking in?
Derry 2-12
Monaghan 0-10
Derry will win the game with relative ease as Monaghan finish with 13 men having Woods and Mone sent off early in the second half. Paddy Bradley scores 2-3, kissing the badge after the second goal. Banty refuses to shake Cassidy by the hand but goes for his jugular. Monaghan have a banner saying '(picture of Seamus Heaney) is a spanner', getting at Paddy Heaney but the message is confusing. Seamus writes a poem called 'The Monaghan Bother'.
Can't see a limited Monaghan outfit covering Freeman's loss twice in eight days.
Monaghan 1-13 Derry 0-09
Woods to turn in another MOM display and take a few Derry markers to the cleaners. Monaghan midfield to dominate and Doc to be subbed early in second half. Hanratty to start and Sean Marty unable to stay with him. Vinny Corey to find his way to FF with JP at FB on Bradley and play him off the park.
Joe Brolly to get savage abuse and Banty to pump his fists at leats 300 times before he empties his tank.
Would this be a good game for RTE to introduce a Sky Sports style "player cam"?
Start with Mone, then Woods, then dick Clerkin.
Oh and put a hidden mic on Bradley.
It would sort out all these excuses being trotted by the London boys and their apologists once and for all.
Monaghan 2-13 Derry 0-6
Possible classic in the making! Monaghan at home, need to step up to the mark! Derry on the other hand, wounded animal - JUST WATCH EOIN BRADLEY ROAR!
Quote from: The Mighty Oaks on July 11, 2009, 12:38:44 AM
JUST WATCH EOIN BRADLEY ROAR!
Most likely at his own players cause no one passed the ball to him.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 11, 2009, 10:46:34 AM
has anone got a link for the matchwhen atching abroad?
The RTE link won´t work.
Pm for ye there
whats the link?
Is paddy B starting?
Wheres Brolly ?
anyone any links?
I see the Derry support have travelled in their usual numbers...
link
mms://live2.wm.rte.servecast.net/rte_wmlz_rte2-450.wmv
Derry have a small support, apparently.
http://www.atdhe.net/7975/watch-monaghan-vs-derry
Did Bradley not score that goal?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Did Bradley not score that goal?
That's what I thought.
The brolly banner is there
Rory Woods = football genius
Monaghan defence = woeful
QuoteMonaghan defence = woeful
True but Bradley's are in fine form...
Derry are more offensive than Armagh.
;D
Some fine scores from Monaghan, surprisingly good game.
Derry 2-8 Monaghan 0-11 at half time.
Only the dodgy early goal in it now. Great play from Monaghan in the last 10 minutes - Ciaran Hanratty having a stormer. Paddy Bradley doing very well as well. Very enjoyable match. Think Derry might have a wee bit too much in the second half.
Jaysus such gushing from Spillane, never seen the like.
very good game, did I hear Pat Spilane correctly on RTE? he likes the game :o
Very good game.
Some fantastic scoring.
You see this is what I've said all along.
There is no skills deficit in modern gaelic football but sometimes there is an attitude deficit.
Today the attitude from both sides is excellent.
More of the same in the 2nd half please.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Did Bradley not score that goal?
I thought that as well myself. Be interesting to see the replay.
Good first half. Some great scores from play. Thankfully none of the stuff that marred the first game. Monaghan have hardly won a ball at midfield yet still are only 3 points behind. Makes for an entertaining 2nd half and Monaghan have the wind advantage.
Is this fantasy football... Pat Spillane with nothing but effusive praise for an Ulster game?
Bradley did score it
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 11, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
Is this fantasy football... Pat Spillane with nothing but effusive praise for an Ulster game?
2 Ulster teams play good quality attacking football...why would he not praise it??
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 11, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
2 Ulster teams play good quality attacking football...why would he not praise it??
Put it down to the novelty of it (on my part).
WTF?
'Stand up in the snow naked to watch' Jap Finley. Where the hell did that come from.
Quote from: longball on July 11, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
WTF?
'Stand up in the snow naked to watch' Jap Finley. Where the hell did that come from.
an absolute belter one that ;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
True but Bradley's are in fine form...
Aye, my (Gaelic Life) fantasy forward (Paddy) is doing OK ;)
After what Paddy Bradley just did lets not hear anymore about the Dubs and their goal celebrations.
He'll be lucky if he doesn't get his head taken off in the next few minutes.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
After what Paddy Bradley just did lets not hear anymore about the Dubs and their goal celebrations.
He'll be lucky if he doesn't get his head taken off in the next few minutes.
I know what you mean but it's probably because he gets so much grief from Dessie Mone
Monaghan to have legitimate complaints over burnout ? Or is this the risk you take by going the back door route?
Quote from: glens73 on July 11, 2009, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
After what Paddy Bradley just did lets not hear anymore about the Dubs and their goal celebrations.
He'll be lucky if he doesn't get his head taken off in the next few minutes.
I know what you mean but it's probably because he gets so much grief from Dessie Mone
Aye when a non Dub does it their is always a legitimate excuse ::)
Convenient injury for Hanratty there, being completely marked out of the game and falls in a heap.... or am I just being cynical.
Quote from: Gnevin on July 11, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: glens73 on July 11, 2009, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
After what Paddy Bradley just did lets not hear anymore about the Dubs and their goal celebrations.
He'll be lucky if he doesn't get his head taken off in the next few minutes.
I know what you mean but it's probably because he gets so much grief from Dessie Mone
Aye when a non Dub does it their is always a legitimate excuse ::)
I never mentioned a Dub and it's spelt there in this context
Every time someone's late for a match you dubs start on about it. Now a boy does a celebration he shouldn't and you boys are on about it.
I thought it was supposed to be the ulster ones with the paranoia.
Derry much better team. Monaghan matched them when they didn't play so many behind the ball.
First of all well done Damien Cassidy & Management
Credit where credit is due.
After being one of his biggest critics, after the Tyrone game and rightly so - well done on turning the ship around.
Great smart team selection and layout and good moves through the game.
The team were very good. Bradleys did very well. Everyone dug in and played well. Big Joe. etc
Alot to work on and alot to keep improving, FB line was under pressure at times and SML was under a bit of pressure as was KMcC - but great answer to everyone.
The key word now is consistency.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2009, 04:25:20 PM
Every time someone's late for a match you dubs start on about it. Now a boy does a celebration he shouldn't and you boys are on about it.
I thought it was supposed to be the ulster ones with the paranoia.
Derry much better team. Monaghan matched them when they didn't play so many behind the ball.
I'm not a Dub.
No need to do that sort of thing.
Good win for Derry. Monaghan ran out of steam. Got it back to 1 point a few times then Derry went 6 clear inside 5 miutes and it was game over at that point.
Well done to Derry - Bradleys were on fire - but who was supposed to be marking them ???
The only concern for Derry will be conceding 20 points but that won't worry them unduly tonight.
Derry will be big opposition for any team now.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41698000/jpg/_41698554_3derry.jpg)
Spillane's probably onto something as regards McCloy and Lockhart. Assuming Derry avoid Kerry (if they beat Longford!) next week you'd expect them to make the quarter finals. Meaningless title but today confirms they're clearly the 2nd best team in Ulster. Derry could even make a semi-final but will pull up a bit short probably.
Spillane is spot on about McCloy and Lockhart in my opinion.
Paul finlay will be at dublin airport on monday morning,heard he had a big money deal sorted with a club out here before the game had even kicked off
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 11, 2009, 04:47:33 PM
What did Brolly say, had to watch in an internet cafe in spain with no sound!
Was Spillane and Kevin McStay in the studio today.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 11, 2009, 04:42:42 PM
Spillane's probably onto something as regards McCloy and Lockhart. Assuming Derry avoid Kerry (if they beat Longford!) next week you'd expect them to make the quarter finals. Meaningless title but today confirms they're clearly the 2nd best team in Ulster. Derry could even make a semi-final but will pull up a bit short probably.
Of course he is
McCloy was cleaned out today and SML was only a little better
WELL DONE DERRY...................EXCELLENT RESULT
Paddy doing the "Rafa Benitez" after the goal :D Fantastic piece of skill from Skinner to set the goal up, you wouldnnt see better in the Premiership. Think Ill book my flights home for next week.. Wasn't at all confident before the game today, hope we get an easy draw for next Sat...
Typical Derry attitude there. good weather fanssss
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2009, 04:51:49 PM
Typical Derry attitude there. good weather fanssss
So should he fly home from England every weekend then?! ::)
NOT TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DERRY GAEL
RA67
Banty giving his resignation speech to RTE it would seem.
WAIT WERE YOU NOT THEIR EITHER
typicla!!!
Quote from: Rav67 on July 11, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Paddy doing the "Rafa Benitez" after the goal :D Fantastic piece of skill from Skinner to set the goal up, you wouldnnt see better in the Premiership. Think Ill book my flights home for next week.. Wasn't at all confident before the game today, hope we get an easy draw for next Sat...
Paddy loves to rub it in. 2-7 entitles him to do whatever the hell he likes.
Quote from: orangeman on July 11, 2009, 04:57:43 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on July 11, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Paddy doing the "Rafa Benitez" after the goal :D Fantastic piece of skill from Skinner to set the goal up, you wouldnnt see better in the Premiership. Think Ill book my flights home for next week.. Wasn't at all confident before the game today, hope we get an easy draw for next Sat...
Paddy loves to rub it in. 2-7 entitles him to do whatever the hell he likes.
Paddy loves to rub it in, nor does he like it when people rub it in to him like the Ricey incident in the Tyrone game. Both incidents aren't much different yet you won't see the same backlash as Ricey suffered on here after the incident.
Paddy should know better and let his scoring do the talking. His 2-7 today should have made a big enough point today.
Good performance from Derry but still a few worries - conceeding 20 points to a Monaghan team without Freeman is poor and I doubt any other team will look as slow and as low on energy as Monaghan were today.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
NOT TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DERRY GAEL
RA67
Not another Portstewart WUM surely!
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 11, 2009, 04:25:20 PM
Every time someone's late for a match you dubs start on about it. Now a boy does a celebration he shouldn't and you boys are on about it.
Karma.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2009, 04:55:46 PM
WAIT WERE YOU NOT THEIR EITHER
typicla!!!
Is your caps lock button broken?
Well done Derry a very good performance going forward - the Derry supporters will be happy with the win but the players and management will not be happy with the amount of scores which they conceded against a Monaghan team minus its talisman forward.
Quote from: north down on July 11, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Well done Derry a very good performance going forward - the Derry supporters will be happy with the win but the players and management will not be happy with the amount of scores which they conceded against a Monaghan team minus its talisman forward.
Surely you mean 'the Derry supporter'
Portstewart! :D :D :D
well done derry. winners of the comb in the bald men contest!! mugs!! :-*
Excellent result for Derry...I predicted during the week that if Derry had their heads right they would win comfortably and thankfully that was the case. I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry. Monaghan didnt resort to their usual rough house tactics and it resulted in an open game which was very enjoyable....I'm glad I went now!
Yes Derry have a bit to work on...particularly after conceding 20 points but there were a lot more positives after this game than the Tyrone one. I think tactically we got it 100% right and we seemed to be playing as a team rather than a collection of individual.
Hopefully we can improve now for the next game and with McGuckian back it will strengthen us further at the back.
If that was Paddy Bradley playing injured today...I think we should keep him injured all year!
I thought Eoin Bradley, Kielt (yes I usually dont like Kielt), Lynch, Diver, Doc, Patsy, Gerard O'Kane were all excellent, but no-one was particularly bad. In the form Hanratty was in it was only going to be damage limitation....thought he was Monaghans best player. Ronaghan also very good.
When is the draw for the next round?
Just back from the game, great game of football, thought Fergal Doherty was immense. We missed Kevin McGuickan a lot, a bit concerned at how many monaghan scored. Hopefully we avoid Kerry and kick on from here.
Draw is on RTE after the Waterford v Tipp game tomorrow
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
Excellent result for Derry...I predicted during the week that if Derry had their heads right they would win comfortably and thankfully that was the case. I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry. Monaghan didnt resort to their usual rough house tactics and it resulted in an open game which was very enjoyable....I'm glad I went now!
Yes Derry have a bit to work on...particularly after conceding 20 points but there were a lot more positives after this game than the Tyrone one. I think tactically we got it 100% right and we seemed to be playing as a team rather than a collection of individual.
Hopefully we can improve now for the next game and with McGuckian back it will strengthen us further at the back.
If that was Paddy Bradley playing injured today...I think we should keep him injured all year!
I thought Eoin Bradley, Kielt (yes I usually dont like Kielt), Lynch, Diver, Doc, Patsy, Gerard O'Kane were all excellent, but no-one was particularly bad. In the form Hanratty was in it was only going to be damage limitation....thought he was Monaghans best player. Ronaghan also very good.
When is the draw for the next round?
Unfortunately Kevin won't be back for the next qualifier game - 4 week ban so i think it runs out at 12 midnight on saturday night
First of all I would like to congratulate the managers and players of Derry for the performance that was produced today. We were awesome at times!
I havent posted much on issues regarding the county team recently as I had become disillusioned with the whole setup. As a supporter I felt that we have been the laughing stock of the country in recent weeks and to be honest the thought of going to Clones and spending 50 odd Euro on Derry well it didn't feel like I would get value for money! I think the performance produced today was what the supporters deserved and the skill and determination of our lads was excellent!
The game itself well it was clear to see if ever there was any doubt that a team like Monaghan cannot live with Derry in football terms. The scoreline flattered Monaghan somewhat and without being able to revert to their negative game they had nothing to offer really.
As regards to individuals I thought Dermot McBride was hard done by but Hanratty was unmarkable in that first half. Our FB line struggled all game but we were on top in every other sector of the pitch. Mark Lynch played his best game in a Senior jersey for me he was immense. Kielt and the 2 Bradleys were also great. Ably assisted by the MF and HB lines. Looking forward to the draw. As long as we don't get Kerry I would be confident enough we could beat any of the others. Onwards and upwards great stuff lads keep it up!!!!
Well done Derry, thoroughly enjoyed the match, and well done also to monaghan. Skinner was on fire. Lynch too had maybe his best game in the senior jersey. McGuickian was missed. Derry shipped 20 points, but Monaghan had their shooting boots on, ony 2 wides in the 1st half I think.
Doire abu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGqwD7GyszE
Very good performance from Derry,
shooting by both teams was spot on and top standard.
2 excellent Derry goals topped up a comprehensive win.
Time put a bit of diesel into the Derry championship bandwagon
Quote from: red hander on July 11, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: north down on July 11, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Well done Derry a very good performance going forward - the Derry supporters will be happy with the win but the players and management will not be happy with the amount of scores which they conceded against a Monaghan team minus its talisman forward.
Surely you mean 'the Derry supporter'
No I think there two - the other one was behind the camera and so you couldn't see him!
screenexile - Do you not feel the 90 mins Monaghan played last weekend had something to do with the performance today??
Quote from: cornerback on July 11, 2009, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
Excellent result for Derry...I predicted during the week that if Derry had their heads right they would win comfortably and thankfully that was the case. I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry. Monaghan didnt resort to their usual rough house tactics and it resulted in an open game which was very enjoyable....I'm glad I went now!
Yes Derry have a bit to work on...particularly after conceding 20 points but there were a lot more positives after this game than the Tyrone one. I think tactically we got it 100% right and we seemed to be playing as a team rather than a collection of individual.
If that was Paddy Bradley playing injured today...I think we should keep him injured all year!
I thought Eoin Bradley, Kielt (yes I usually dont like Kielt), Lynch, Diver, Doc, Patsy, Gerard O'Kane were all excellent, but no-one was particularly bad. In the form Hanratty was in it was only going to be damage limitation....thought he was Monaghans best player. Ronaghan also very good.
When is the draw for the next round?
Unfortunately Kevin won't be back for the next qualifier game - 4 week ban so i think it runs out at 12 midnight on saturday night
i think the bit in bold above is the truest statement of the board this year. When it comes to 15 v 15 and no crap, Derry will beat Monaghan 9 times out of ten
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 11, 2009, 09:23:07 PM
screenexile - Do you not feel the 90 mins Monaghan played last weekend had something to do with the performance today??
i will answer this cause screenexile will be pissed by this stage. f**k all to do with it. Wouldnt matter how many mins the played last week, 0 or 90.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 11, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 11, 2009, 09:23:07 PM
screenexile - Do you not feel the 90 mins Monaghan played last weekend had something to do with the performance today??
i will answer this cause screenexile will be pissed by this stage. f**k all to do with it. Wouldnt matter how many mins the played last week, 0 or 90.
Totally agree - screenexile is totally pissed that this stage - 3 coors light and he's on his back
Seriously though, people were saying before the game that monaghan having a victory under their belt would be a benefit now after their defeat its because they had tired legs - can't have it both ways. I know (think) none of the monaghan boys have used this excuse...
Well Derry were the better team on the day and Paddy Bradley did the damage - Mone was on terrible form and probably had his worst game for Monaghan. From a Monaghan point of view, it was a decent showing, although the end result was poor enough.
The old adage that 'goals win matches' was definitely true today - Monaghan with one more score than Derry, but over the crossbar rather than under. Can't help but feel that Freeman could have made the difference there - he wouldn't have missed had he been involved in that chance on goal in the first half.
I have to say, i'm delighted that Hanratty had such a great game - probably his best game for Monaghan since 2007 and answered his critics.
A comment or two on some of the other posts:
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
The game itself well it was clear to see if ever there was any doubt that a team like Monaghan cannot live with Derry in football terms. The scoreline flattered Monaghan somewhat and without being able to revert to their negative game they had nothing to offer really.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry.
Surely these are both very arrogant comments? Derry were the better team, no doubt, but I wouldn't say they're in a different league. Derry won by 5 points and as i've said above, Derry scored 19 times, Monaghan scored 20 - the goals were the difference. Monaghan were without Freeman, and despite our forwards having a good day at the office, Tommy was sorely missed - let's not forget that Bradley, Derry's star forward, scored 2-08, over half of Derry's score - take that one player out of the equation and it's a different scenario - Tommy is Monaghan's star forward.
To say Monaghan have "nothing to offer" is extremely ignorant - whilst Monaghan lost today, they still stuck over 20 points, most of them from play. It was a good result for Derry, but don't get carried away.
Monaghan tagged on four to five points when the game was dead and buried. Sure any time you's got close we just put the foot down again. Oh and by the way...
Get it round ye, ya mexican feckers!!!! :D
Quotei think the bit in bold above is the truest statement of the board this year. When it comes to 15 v 15 and no crap, Derry will beat Monaghan 9 times out of ten
I think its a shame that Ulster people seem to be congenitally incapable of being gracious victors, even among themeselves. Should we all not be celebrating that the two teams actually played football this time ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 12, 2009, 04:35:58 AM
Quotei think the bit in bold above is the truest statement of the board this year. When it comes to 15 v 15 and no crap, Derry will beat Monaghan 9 times out of ten
I think its a shame that Ulster people seem to be congenitally incapable of being gracious victors, even among themeselves. Should we all not be celebrating that the two teams actually played football this time ?
back down to ur sheep ye inbred, scapin by longford..............as for our monaghan brethern......see ye nxt year
Quoteback down to ur sheep ye inbred, scapin by longford..............as for our monaghan brethern......see ye nxt year
ach, I couldnt be bothered
In answer to the question posed earlier about the 90 mins... Nah! the way teams are prepared/rehabbed these days a week is ample time to recover.
We were at least 10 pts better than the Farney men 2day and in all honesty we've played them maybe 6 times since 2005 and we tanked them in 2005 when Monaghan went toe to toe with us and we did it again 2day.
With a full team available we are top4 in the country IMO... Long may it continue!!!!
If you are consistently that much better than Monaghan then you must be favourites for the All-Ireland.
good win for derry today but the team that concedes 20 points are hardly a team that will be in croker in sept unless they tighten up the back line
A good result yesterday and redemption for some who underperformed aginst Tyrone. I wouldnt like to see us getting carried away as we beat an average enough team who where missing their best forward, although they couldnt have complained if we had won by 9/10 as opposed to the 5 that seperated the teams at the end.
He didnt influence the result yesterday but by God he is a poor referee. He cost Monaghan a point on one occasion when he waved for the keeper to take the kickout, he found his own man with it and then Duffy made him take it again which he fluffed straight to a Derry man who put it over the bar. A good referee calls the game as it should be and doesnt try to bring the other team back into it which he was guilty of in the first half when Monaghan went 8 points down, all credit to Monaghan for not folding at that point.
Whilst Diver played well in winning a lot of possession around midfield he should be given a very simple instruction of not being allowed to shoot unless within 20 yards of the goal. We have serious problems in the full back line which in recent years has been our strongest line. Kevin McCloy will be taken to the cleaners by a mobile strong forward or any with a turn off pace and SML has lost a yard of pace as well, although he was sound in the second half when moved onto Hanhratty. He played well in bursts in the first half and I was sorry to see him go off with a nasty looking injury. One thing I would say about him is that fouls the ball almost any time he takes possesion, 2 of his points should have been blown for overcarrying.
The forwards in general showed in front for the ball and the movement was much improved from Casement Pk. Lynch covered a lot of ground and linked the play very well, something we have missed badly. Kielt was good in spells but I would like to see him become more involved as he can drift out of the game. The two Bradleys will have the headlines again but Eoin very nearly reverted to the old days with some of his play in the last 15 mins when the game was over, he should have been ramming home the advantage he had over his marker instead of shooting on sight. Mullan was taken off with a knock and I will hold judgement on him until I see him for a full match but McGuigan was very solid when he came on and may take Mullans place next weekend if he recovers from a knock to the knee.
Doherty was a little lost at full forward on occasions but it was a tactic that wored well enough as Monaghan struggled with the high balls in and it kept Corey out of the game but he is better served at midfield.
All in all a pleasing performance and we can look forward to the draw tonight without any fear. Another big turnout from the supposrt yesterday.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Well Derry were the better team on the day and Paddy Bradley did the damage - Mone was on terrible form and probably had his worst game for Monaghan. From a Monaghan point of view, it was a decent showing, although the end result was poor enough.
The old adage that 'goals win matches' was definitely true today - Monaghan with one more score than Derry, but over the crossbar rather than under. Can't help but feel that Freeman could have made the difference there - he wouldn't have missed had he been involved in that chance on goal in the first half.
I have to say, i'm delighted that Hanratty had such a great game - probably his best game for Monaghan since 2007 and answered his critics.
A comment or two on some of the other posts:
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
The game itself well it was clear to see if ever there was any doubt that a team like Monaghan cannot live with Derry in football terms. The scoreline flattered Monaghan somewhat and without being able to revert to their negative game they had nothing to offer really.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry.
Surely these are both very arrogant comments? Derry were the better team, no doubt, but I wouldn't say they're in a different league. Derry won by 5 points and as i've said above, Derry scored 19 times, Monaghan scored 20 - the goals were the difference. Monaghan were without Freeman, and despite our forwards having a good day at the office, Tommy was sorely missed - let's not forget that Bradley, Derry's star forward, scored 2-08, over half of Derry's score - take that one player out of the equation and it's a different scenario - Tommy is Monaghan's star forward.
To say Monaghan have "nothing to offer" is extremely ignorant - whilst Monaghan lost today, they still stuck over 20 points, most of them from play. It was a good result for Derry, but don't get carried away.
I dont think these are arrogant statements at all...just simply backing up what quite a few of us have been saying for that last couple of years. The Monaghan team is not as good as Derry, simple as that. Derry were at least 10 points the better side yesterday and you cant argue with that. Yes Freeman would have been a help to Monaghan, but like Monaghan feeling Freeman should have been available we should have had McGuckian who pretty much marked Freeman out of it the last day so all things being equal I dont think there would have been any difference in the result or the manner of result. The fact is that the Monaghan forwards were living off scraps for a large part of the game, but still manageed 20 and thats the major cause for concern for Derry at this stage.
I think you yourslef were saying during the week that its possible to minimise Bradleys impact on the game...well the fact is that Monaghan were not able to do that so to say that if you take Bradley out of the game is a bit pointless when Monaghan were unable to do so and I'm sure they were trying to.
I dont think anyone is getting carried away...no-one mentioned all-irelenads or anything of the like. We are simply stating that we are a better footballing side then Monaghan. Thats not getting carried away, just fact.
In fairness to Monaghan they played well at times and the fact that they didnt resort to the usual, lets call them "physical" tactics, contributed to a very yenjoyable game of football. Monaghan have 5-6 excellent players who are a joy to watch but the rest are too far behind in terms of skill. I alos thought it was a credit to the Monaghan supporters staying on after the game to applaud their team off the pitch....you dont often see that these days.
A slightly unrelated point....we were stitting in the middle of Monaghan supporters (not much choice in that with the small numbers of derry supporters) but they all seemed to have a real dislike of Clerkin and were calling for him to be taken off from the throw in. Now I dont like the man, but I thought that was a bit much. Is there a feeling in Mongahan thant the team would be better without him?
Brick
I would agree.
McGuckian would have marked Freeman out of it.
He would also have helped tighten the FB line up too, which will need big changes the next day.
To say stupid things like 'take Paddy Bradley out of the equation' ... that's just BS. When the man is on form you give him even more ball. Derry pound for pound are a better team than most counties in Ireland when they play to their strengths and together - when they don't they're useless.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Well Derry were the better team on the day and Paddy Bradley did the damage - Mone was on terrible form and probably had his worst game for Monaghan. From a Monaghan point of view, it was a decent showing, although the end result was poor enough.
The old adage that 'goals win matches' was definitely true today - Monaghan with one more score than Derry, but over the crossbar rather than under. Can't help but feel that Freeman could have made the difference there - he wouldn't have missed had he been involved in that chance on goal in the first half.
I have to say, i'm delighted that Hanratty had such a great game - probably his best game for Monaghan since 2007 and answered his critics.
A comment or two on some of the other posts:
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
The game itself well it was clear to see if ever there was any doubt that a team like Monaghan cannot live with Derry in football terms. The scoreline flattered Monaghan somewhat and without being able to revert to their negative game they had nothing to offer really.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
I think today showed that when it comes down to football, Monaghan just cant compete with Derry.
Surely these are both very arrogant comments? Derry were the better team, no doubt, but I wouldn't say they're in a different league. Derry won by 5 points and as i've said above, Derry scored 19 times, Monaghan scored 20 - the goals were the difference. Monaghan were without Freeman, and despite our forwards having a good day at the office, Tommy was sorely missed - let's not forget that Bradley, Derry's star forward, scored 2-08, over half of Derry's score - take that one player out of the equation and it's a different scenario - Tommy is Monaghan's star forward.
To say Monaghan have "nothing to offer" is extremely ignorant - whilst Monaghan lost today, they still stuck over 20 points, most of them from play. It was a good result for Derry, but don't get carried away.
That is just as good as Dessie Moen is when he has to play football.
Exposed, slow and weak in the air. When he can't pull drag and kick - you saw what he really was like.
Dermot McArdle had a nightmare too on Eoin Bradley - which is sad to see as he's a decent clean footballer.
Also happy for Hanratty as the abuse his own county men give him is the most vicious and personal I've seen/heard in a long time anywhere.
By the way - How long did he play against Armagh?
And don't get carried away - Tommy Freeman is no Paddy Bradley
I wouldn't be too concerned with conceding 20 points, you have to take each game on its merits, for a start monaghan scored maybe 4 points when the game was dead, although that shouldn't happen i don't think it would have been the case had it been a point for point game, the same happened before half time, i dont think monaghan would have got 6 points in a row had we not been 8 up.
Such a load of nonsense blaming last weeks game on there poor performance, a whole weeks rest, you could recover from a marathon in that time, we complain when soccer players say they are tired after 2 games a week. If anything the 1 point victory over armagh aet should have left the players buzzing for this weeks game.
I agree with the people saying Derry are the top 4 in Ireland although that gives me no confidence for the next round, the problem is the players start believing this, we will go out with a cocky attitude and get beat.
Quote from: peterquaife on July 11, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
Well done Derry, thoroughly enjoyed the match, and well done also to monaghan. Skinner was on fire. Lynch too had maybe his best game in the senior jersey. McGuickian was missed. Derry shipped 20 points, but Monaghan had their shooting boots on, ony 2 wides in the 1st half I think.
Doire abu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGqwD7GyszE
Great wee bit of video Peterq. Nice to see it from that perspective. Didn get to the game as I had a family funeral, but sneaked off to watch on telly. What can you say about the 2 bradleys, when they click, they're hard to stop. Delighted for Mark lynch, maybe he's finally getting over whatever it is that keeps him from playing the way he can at college level.
Thought the sideline got it spot on yesterday, putting Doc into FF at the start totally messed Monaghan's game plan for the first 20 mins although it brought Corey into the scoring zone fairly often, but keeping Doc away from Clerkin was important. They were quick to make the changes as well, when it wasn't working out for young Mc Bride and Mullan, there was no hesitation in calling them ashore. Thought they should have given the younger lads like young Bumble a run out with 5 - 10 mins to go, but that's a small gripe.
Like other posters, worried about the concession of 20 points. In most games that would kill you. Also i thought on both occasions when we went well ahead, the foot was taken off. That should never happen in a championship game, they should have driven on to kill monagahn off. They nearly got back into in in 2nd half and if Hanratty hadn't gone off, it could have been different.
All in all, a satisfying result, the Monaghan monkey firmly off our backs. Please God for a favourable draw tonight
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Surely these are both very arrogant comments? Derry were the better team, no doubt, but I wouldn't say they're in a different league
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These guys are poor losers and worse winners, not a great combination.
There is very little to quibble about with Monaghan's performance, the worst was the dreadful mistake for the traditional cursed gift goal to Derry.
Apart from that, they played some lovely football. For the last 3 years, in all of the final games which put Monaghan out of the championship, we can say they gave their honest all on the day.
I can't see Banty staying on.
Not because he's lost - but just the effort invoved
Quote from: Mario on July 12, 2009, 10:38:11 AM
Such a load of nonsense blaming last weeks game on there poor performance, a whole weeks rest, you could recover from a marathon in that time, we complain when soccer players say they are tired after 2 games a week. If anything the 1 point victory over armagh aet should have left the players buzzing for this weeks game.
How many people have used this excuse? And how many of those people have been from Monaghan?
Quote from: screenexile on July 12, 2009, 06:18:30 AM
In answer to the question posed earlier about the 90 mins... Nah! the way teams are prepared/rehabbed these days a week is ample time to recover.
We were at least 10 pts better than the Farney men 2day and in all honesty we've played them maybe 6 times since 2005 and we tanked them in 2005 when Monaghan went toe to toe with us and we did it again 2day.
With a full team available we are top4 in the country IMO... Long may it continue!!!!
Screen, no harm but you are one asshole.
10pts my arse. Either of them teams could beat each other on a given day. The difference yesterday was 3 bad goals given away, Monaghan missed their goal chance that should have been converted. We also slipped 2/3 bad points from free's and illdiscipline.
One victory does not make a summer and no way are yous top 4 in country, not with that defence and over reliance on 1 forward.
I look forwrad to you's are back bitching at each other, calling for managers heads, and slapping each other in club football. Cause its nots that far away. You's have proved it time and time againg that you's have no balls and itl reappear shorlt.
Derry my arse.
Quote from: bingobus on July 12, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
Screen, no harm but you are one asshole.
10pts my arse. Either of them teams could beat each other on a given day. The difference yesterday was 3 bad goals given away, Monaghan missed their goal chance that should have been converted. We also slipped 2/3 bad points from free's and illdiscipline.
One victory does not make a summer and no way are yous top 4 in country, not with that defence and over reliance on 1 forward.
I look forwrad to you's are back bitching at each other, calling for managers heads, and slapping each other in club football. Cause its nots that far away. You's have proved it time and time againg that you's have no balls and itl reappear shorlt.
Derry my arse.
To be fair bingobus, the only bit of sense you made in that post was the first line. After that you were talkin out of your rectum. On another note, any man that comes on the board and posts at 6:18am has a lot to answer for. Hang your head in shame exile. At least you kept the early morning drinking til the weekend this time and not a school night... ;)
cant be bothered reading through the whole thread, would just like to make a few comments on the game.
obviously quite pleased with the result, was a good game of football and i enjoyed watching it again on tv when i got home.
i am worried tho.
we seem incapable of striking a balance in our play. it goes to back to paddy cro's first year, we played a very defensive throughout the league that year and while it brought results, they were always hard fough. we continued with this system against tyrone and won and came a cropper against donegal. the team and management were roundly criticised after that and then we played kildare in the qualifiers at celtic park and the team was completely different from the one we had seen all year. it was a very open attacking game and we blitzed them. next we drew longford away, continued with the attacking game plan and lost due to the fact we couldnt defend with a team running at us.
it was a similar story in 07 against the likes of loais and dublin they were great games of football, a straight shootout between both teams, we had more quality than loais and won, less quality than dublin and lost, although the 3 missed goal chances killed us.
i know im rambling here, but the point im making is, we were defensive tyrone and monaghan and now seemed to have dropped that. yesterday for great spectacle it was is very worrying. i know monaghan kicked 6 points when the game was over and we were content just not to concede goals, but its still a worry.
kevin mccloy is simply too slow for intercounty football, we have a real problem in there imo.
people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
dermot mcbride was called ashore very early, imo a simple switch with him and lockhart should have been made and see how he faired in the other corner. considering mccloy was not within 4/5 yards of his man nearly every ball it seemed a harsh call on mcbride. i appreciate some people may think without mccusker in there we need a physical presence in there, but its not much use if he's not mobile enough.
although paddy bradley got MOTM i though skinner was head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. i appreciate the monaghan defence was poor, but he can be unmarkable when his attitude is right. in fairness along with gerard o kane he's probably been our best player this year, and its good to see cassidy getting the best out of him.
anyway, enough rambling. please to have attended an enjoyable game of football for a change and look forward to the draw, i would be happy with any team other than kerry at this stage, and a home draw in celtic park would be great. hopefully some "supporters" will return, because as some people seem to forget its an amatuer game, these lads have been out training all year and put it serious effort, a little support is not hard to give. and for a county that so many people are so die hard club football supporters, who'd think they'd want to support their club players representing their county instead of in many cases, almost resenting that. thats one thing i really really hate about our county.
the llikes of doc, patsy bradley, lockhart, etc will have benefitted from another game and if we get through then mcguckin is back also. i have no idea when muldoon will return.
after the tyrone game its good to be in the hat for the next stage and hopefully as i say we can strike a balance between our ultra defensive system and the open one we had yesterday.
one final point, a few monaghan lads in the pub after the game yesterday were commenting on freeman not being available and may have made a difference. i'd suggest kevin mcguckin was equally as big a loss for us. also, if freeman had played ronaghan and hanratty may have not seen as much ball as they did.
Really enjoyable game yesterday. Not going to go into it but the team with the better forwards won, simple as that.
Derry should not get too carried away, 20 points is a huge tally to concede and Monaghan had the run on you a few times.
A few of the Derry fans here have mentioned they're comfortably a top four team in the country on from.
Which of Kerry, Cork, Dublin and Tyrone do you consider youselves higher ranked than? And how exactly do you figure that?
About sixth on top form I'd argue, and that's in the one or two days in the year when Derry get their act together.
Quote from: ExiledGael on July 12, 2009, 06:04:30 PM
Which of Kerry, Cork, Dublin and Tyrone do you consider youselves higher ranked than? And how exactly do you figure that?
About sixth on top form I'd argue, and that's in the one or two days in the year when Derry get their act together.
Also difficult to say just where the likes of Mayo, Galway and Kildare are at the minute - but they're probably in the chasing pack as well.
Quote from: southderryman on July 12, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
Quote from: bingobus on July 12, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 12, 2009, 06:18:30 AM
In answer to the question posed earlier about the 90 mins... Nah! the way teams are prepared/rehabbed these days a week is ample time to recover.
We were at least 10 pts better than the Farney men 2day and in all honesty we've played them maybe 6 times since 2005 and we tanked them in 2005 when Monaghan went toe to toe with us and we did it again 2day.
With a full team available we are top4 in the country IMO... Long may it continue!!!!
Screen, no harm but you are one asshole.
10pts my arse. Either of them teams could beat each other on a given day. The difference yesterday was 3 bad goals given away, Monaghan missed their goal chance that should have been converted. We also slipped 2/3 bad points from free's and illdiscipline.
One victory does not make a summer and no way are yous top 4 in country, not with that defence and over reliance on 1 forward.
I look forwrad to you's are back bitching at each other, calling for managers heads, and slapping each other in club football. Cause its nots that far away. You's have proved it time and time againg that you's have no balls and itl reappear shorlt. -- And Monaghan have proved time and time again that they are a dirty cynical team that will will not win anything for a long long time as they lack any real footballing skills bar a few diamonds in the rough
I have Derry tattooed on my arse. -- Good man BingoBus....I always thought you were a closet Derry man and with the ass the size of a bus I'm hoping you have it tattooed in good big letters! :D
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 12, 2009, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: bingobus on July 12, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 12, 2009, 06:18:30 AM
In answer to the question posed earlier about the 90 mins... Nah! the way teams are prepared/rehabbed these days a week is ample time to recover.
We were at least 10 pts better than the Farney men 2day and in all honesty we've played them maybe 6 times since 2005 and we tanked them in 2005 when Monaghan went toe to toe with us and we did it again 2day.
With a full team available we are top4 in the country IMO... Long may it continue!!!!
Screen, no harm but you are one asshole.
10pts my arse. Either of them teams could beat each other on a given day. The difference yesterday was 3 bad goals given away, Monaghan missed their goal chance that should have been converted. We also slipped 2/3 bad points from free's and illdiscipline.
One victory does not make a summer and no way are yous top 4 in country, not with that defence and over reliance on 1 forward.
I look forwrad to you's are back bitching at each other, calling for managers heads, and slapping each other in club football. Cause its nots that far away. You's have proved it time and time againg that you's have no balls and itl reappear shorlt. -- And Monaghan have proved time and time again that they are a dirty cynical team that will will not win anything for a long long time as they lack any real footballing skills bar a few diamonds in the rough
I have Derry tattooed on my arse. -- Good man BingoBus....I always thought you were a closet Derry man and with the ass the size of a bus I'm hoping you have it tattooed in good big letters! :D
::) How original, change some-ones text and then post an unfunny response. Have you ever considered standup comedy ???
Surprised no one has mentioned the sly box that Bradley received in the second half. Bradley made it known to the ref that he was hit, but no action was taken.
Quote from: Estimator on July 13, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned the sly box that Bradley received in the second half. Bradley made it known to the ref that he was hit, but no action was taken.
Surprised anyone got close enough to him to throw a box.
Quote from: Estimator on July 13, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned the sly box that Bradley received in the second half. Bradley made it known to the ref that he was hit, but no action was taken.
It happened right in front of the ref, I have no doubt that he seen it but for some reason decided not to take any action against Clerkin, it was a straight red card offence.
No qualm about the defeat. derry were the better side on the day.
the two bradleys were class. The man who persuaded paddy bradley to return deserves a slap ;D
Monaghans death knell was when we were 6 points down in the 2nd half. Finlay then missed 2 chances, then downey dropped another short into the goalies hands. From that possesion the ball ended up in monaghans net: game over.
The ref was quite frustrating at times (but in no way affected the result). On one particular decision in the second half, when he turned a monaghan free kick from their own 13m line to a hop ball as rory woods was 2-3m from the exact spot!! The free kick was even played backwards. A throw up resulted, diver won a free, Derry get point.
Rarely do you see supporters get more aggrieved, is in these situations when the ref gets arsey about the placement of a free kick in a non-scoring position.
Wouldnt worry too much about the ref
As you say it didnt affect the game, but the previous week Monaghan got everything going (still dodnt affect the result)
Swings & roundabouts
Quote from: full back on July 13, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
Wouldnt worry too much about the ref
As you say it didnt affect the game, but the previous week Monaghan got everything going (still dodnt affect the result)
Swings & roundabouts
As part of the bigger picture though, you do have to worry about the refs. Stupid decisions will cost matches in tighter games.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2009, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: full back on July 13, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
Wouldnt worry too much about the ref
As you say it didnt affect the game, but the previous week Monaghan got everything going (still dodnt affect the result)
Swings & roundabouts
As part of the bigger picture though, you do have to worry about the refs. Stupid decisions will cost matches in tighter games.
Correct,
the 2 games in question, the deccisions didnt change the result
But at some stage one call is going to decide if a county stay in the AI or their season is over
TBH, some inconsistent refereeing so far
The performances, like the standard of football in most games has been poor
Quote from: donelli on July 13, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
The ref was quite frustrating at times (but in no way affected the result). On one particular decision in the second half, when he turned a monaghan free kick from their own 13m line to a hop ball as rory woods was 2-3m from the exact spot!! The free kick was even played backwards. A throw up resulted, diver won a free, Derry get point.
Rarely do you see supporters get more aggrieved, is in these situations when the ref gets arsey about the placement of a free kick in a non-scoring position.
I agree that the ref was quite picky in this instance. However he blew the whistle a few times to tell Rory to move back. He didn't so I don't think we can have much arguement about that one. Yes it was only a metre or two but he was told to move back all the same.
I think our problem in the end was that we needed a big match from Jap in the absense of Tommy and we didn't get it. I'm not having a go at Finlay as I know he is a class player, but against derry without Tommy we needed him firing over some inspiring scores.
No doubt the better team won. Paddy Bradley is getting all the headlines for his 2-8 and his return to the panel even if he never left, but I think Eoin Bradly was as much of a thorn. He set up nearly everything and our defence couldn't handle him.
Was working on Saturday, only saw glimpses
Can someone tell me who the commentator, co commentator and pundits were for this match?
Marty Morrisey, Martin Carney, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay and Lyster.
Carney said after one point something \along the lines of this... That's the type of point you'd watch naked in the snow.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Marty Morrisey, Martin Carney, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay and Lyster.
Carney said after one point something \along the lines of this... That's the type of point you'd watch naked in the snow.
And yer man said "speak for yourself" !! :D
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Marty Morrisey, Martin Carney, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay and Lyster.
Carney said after one point something \along the lines of this... That's the type of point you'd watch naked in the snow.
Darragh Maloney was the commentator.
Ah yes, so he was.
I think the rest is right though.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 12, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on July 12, 2009, 06:04:30 PM
Which of Kerry, Cork, Dublin and Tyrone do you consider youselves higher ranked than? And how exactly do you figure that?
About sixth on top form I'd argue, and that's in the one or two days in the year when Derry get their act together.
Also difficult to say just where the likes of Mayo, Galway and Kildare are at the minute - but they're probably in the chasing pack as well.
On the days we get our act together we would be a top eight team. Forgetting about the top four mentioned we'd have to be on the top of our game to beat Mayo, Galway or Kildare.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Carney said after one point something \along the lines of this... That's the type of point you'd watch naked in the snow.
If I were Paul Finlay, I'd be looking over my shoulder more than once in the days ahead.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Marty Morrisey, Martin Carney, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay and Lyster.
Carney said after one point something \along the lines of this... That's the type of point you'd watch naked in the snow.
Cheers
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
will hunting according to the line ups you were right, he played there against fermangh and uuj
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
I wouldn't be in favour of trying midfielders at full-back. Whilst they have the physique, it's a totally different way of playing and thinking. It's not to say it wouldn't work, but i think a lot of defensive line-ups esp at county level should be 'horses for courses'. i.e. McCloy woudln't be an automatic starter against Tyrone, but would cope better against the likes of Clarke/Keaney etc.
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
maybe so, and perhaps it should be left to try at the begginning of next year.
i just have severe doubts about mccloy in there, he has a great brain and can read the game perfectly, its just a pity he hasnt got the speed.
saturday was very very worrying, ronaghan was in acres every time the ball went in. you say a top class forward like brogan or o neill would expose doc and you are right they probably would, but they would do the same to mccloy imo. thats the reason he was dropped for tyrone game and SML picked up o'neill.
my point about doc was more so if the opposition had a target man in full forward like ronaghan on sat. fergal can compete in the air with anyone, and is more mobile than mccloy
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
maybe so, and perhaps it should be left to try at the begginning of next year.
i just have severe doubts about mccloy in there, he has a great brain and can read the game perfectly, its just a pity he hasnt got the speed.
saturday was very very worrying, ronaghan was in acres every time the ball went in. you say a top class forward like brogan or o neill would expose doc and you are right they probably would, but they would do the same to mccloy imo. thats the reason he was dropped for tyrone game and SML picked up o'neill.
my point about doc was more so if the opposition had a target man in full forward like ronaghan on sat. fergal can compete in the air with anyone, and is more mobile than mccloy
I dont think its pace that McCloy is struggling for but more confidence and form. He has never been fast but his strength and reading of the game has always left him able to hold his own. There is a certain type of forward that he can mark and there are others he shouldnt be let near. Its up to the management to make sure he is marking the correct man.
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I wouldn't be in favour of trying midfielders at full-back. Whilst they have the physique, it's a totally different way of playing and thinking. It's not to say it wouldn't work, but i think a lot of defensive line-ups esp at county level should be 'horses for courses'. i.e. McCloy woudln't be an automatic starter against Tyrone, but would cope better against the likes of Clarke/Keaney etc.
i see where you're coming from, and i've mentioned that in my above post.
the thing is at the moment we are stretched defensively and kevin mccloy will start in our team as the other options are not great.
at the minute we have:
SML, g o kane, b mcgoldrick, sl mc goldrick who would all be automatic starters
mc guckin suspended
mccusker injured, cartin left the panel
then we have c mckaigue, d mcbride, b mcalary, j keenan,
we're not extactly coming down with defenders at present
the likes of mick mcgoldrick and hinphey would allow you a few options which we presently lack
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
maybe so, and perhaps it should be left to try at the begginning of next year.
i just have severe doubts about mccloy in there, he has a great brain and can read the game perfectly, its just a pity he hasnt got the speed.
saturday was very very worrying, ronaghan was in acres every time the ball went in. you say a top class forward like brogan or o neill would expose doc and you are right they probably would, but they would do the same to mccloy imo. thats the reason he was dropped for tyrone game and SML picked up o'neill.
my point about doc was more so if the opposition had a target man in full forward like ronaghan on sat. fergal can compete in the air with anyone, and is more mobile than mccloy
I dont think its pace that McCloy is struggling for but more confidence and form. He has never been fast but his strength and reading of the game has always left him able to hold his own. There is a certain type of forward that he can mark and there are others he shouldnt be let near. Its up to the management to make sure he is marking the correct man.
i know he's never been fast but he definitely seems to have slowed down evern from a year or 2 ago. against monaghan the first day he held his own in there, but we were more defensively set up that day. saturday we were exposed to players running at us and we struggled, mccloy was perhaps exposed more than usual. its just with the defenders available at present i really worry its going to cost us one of these days
Whats the story with Mick McGoldrick? Injured?
I was always a big fan of Hinphy, but he's in Oz as far as I know.
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Whats the story with Mick McGoldrick? Injured?
I was always a big fan of Hinphy, but he's in Oz as far as I know.
he had a serious bad run with injuries, and decided to take some time out. think he was for travelling til oz or the states for a while, but that was last year. maybe some of the bellaghy men could confirm if he's still away or is back home?
hinphey is still in oz i think
the 2 of them would be great options til have imo
Mick McGoldrick is still in Oz as far as I know. I think he left around november time and is not due back until November this year. He'll not be an option for derry this year at least.
i was at work last sat and missed the derry game. i was hoping to watch it on the rte website whne i got home that but they dont recognise my isp as being in the ireland of ireland, therefore i waited until wed night when apparently the games r available to anyone in the world to watch but still no joy. any help where i can watch the game again?
You'd be glad of Cartin now wouldn't you?
Don't understand how he was due to start against Monaghan and next thing he's gone from the panel?
Even though you'd prefer not - he'd release O'Kane to drop back into the corner and that would tighten that FB line up alot - also leave you a man who can follow men out up the field and cause more damage than the forward.
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
maybe so, and perhaps it should be left to try at the begginning of next year.
i just have severe doubts about mccloy in there, he has a great brain and can read the game perfectly, its just a pity he hasnt got the speed.
saturday was very very worrying, ronaghan was in acres every time the ball went in. you say a top class forward like brogan or o neill would expose doc and you are right they probably would, but they would do the same to mccloy imo. thats the reason he was dropped for tyrone game and SML picked up o'neill.
my point about doc was more so if the opposition had a target man in full forward like ronaghan on sat. fergal can compete in the air with anyone, and is more mobile than mccloy
I dont think its pace that McCloy is struggling for but more confidence and form. He has never been fast but his strength and reading of the game has always left him able to hold his own. There is a certain type of forward that he can mark and there are others he shouldnt be let near. Its up to the management to make sure he is marking the correct man.
i know he's never been fast but he definitely seems to have slowed down evern from a year or 2 ago. against monaghan the first day he held his own in there, but we were more defensively set up that day. saturday we were exposed to players running at us and we struggled, mccloy was perhaps exposed more than usual. its just with the defenders available at present i really worry its going to cost us one of these days
it was mentuioned on the forum last year, that according to the training stats, McCloy is one of the fastest on the panel
From what I was told they never did any testing last year!
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You'd be glad of Cartin now wouldn't you?
Don't understand how he was due to start against Monaghan and next thing he's gone from the panel?
Even though you'd prefer not - he'd release O'Kane to drop back into the corner and that would tighten that FB line up alot - also leave you a man who can follow men out up the field and cause more damage than the forward.
i'd have cartin on my starting team every day of the week
think it was just injury, and being fed up never being able to play due to injury the main reason he left. you can see his point, i cant remember the last championhip game he started for derry, and he's been around the panel for a long time.
just a very unfortunate player, very similar to micky mc goldrick and mc cusker, with constant bad luck. i'd have all 3 in my defence.
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people may think its daft but i was thinkin last night that fegal doc may be an option in there, perfroming a similar role to that of which mc anallen did for tyrone.
pasty bradley imo is a very under rated midfielder and makes a world of difference to our team. with him and diver in there (as long as he learns to never shoot!!!) we could hold our own with fergal in full back?
Has Patsy ever been tried there?
naw he hasn't not to my knowledge anyway. crozier tried him at wing half back for a spell, it didnt really work out. out of the 3 we have for midfield, fergal is clearly the best footballer and while the other 2 may find it hard to adapt to other positions i reckon doherty could adjust to play full back. in saying that, he had one horrible game when crozier tried him at CHB against tyrone 2 years ago. still, i think his reading of the game and fielding ability may be an option in there, for me we have to try something else, mccloy is just to slow for this level of football
I could be wrong here, but was Patsy not tried at full-back during this year's McKenna Cup? I'm thinking back to the Fermanagh game specifically.
you could be right, i didnt get to any mckenna cup games this year as it was during final exams
do you think doherty could be an option in there? or am i just talkin sh1te!?
I seem to remember Fergal playing fullback on occasion for St Pats in the McRory Cup. He looked far from comfortable there and its to late in the year to be trying things like that. A top class forward like O'Neill or Brogan would expose a novice full back very easily.
maybe so, and perhaps it should be left to try at the begginning of next year.
i just have severe doubts about mccloy in there, he has a great brain and can read the game perfectly, its just a pity he hasnt got the speed.
saturday was very very worrying, ronaghan was in acres every time the ball went in. you say a top class forward like brogan or o neill would expose doc and you are right they probably would, but they would do the same to mccloy imo. thats the reason he was dropped for tyrone game and SML picked up o'neill.
my point about doc was more so if the opposition had a target man in full forward like ronaghan on sat. fergal can compete in the air with anyone, and is more mobile than mccloy
I dont think its pace that McCloy is struggling for but more confidence and form. He has never been fast but his strength and reading of the game has always left him able to hold his own. There is a certain type of forward that he can mark and there are others he shouldnt be let near. Its up to the management to make sure he is marking the correct man.
i know he's never been fast but he definitely seems to have slowed down evern from a year or 2 ago. against monaghan the first day he held his own in there, but we were more defensively set up that day. saturday we were exposed to players running at us and we struggled, mccloy was perhaps exposed more than usual. its just with the defenders available at present i really worry its going to cost us one of these days
it was mentuioned on the forum last year, that according to the training stats, McCloy is one of the fastest on the panel
it was mentioned by who?
that cant possibly be right.
i was at owenbeg last night, he wouldnt have been in the top 15 quickest, no chance
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You'd be glad of Cartin now wouldn't you?
Don't understand how he was due to start against Monaghan and next thing he's gone from the panel?
Even though you'd prefer not - he'd release O'Kane to drop back into the corner and that would tighten that FB line up alot - also leave you a man who can follow men out up the field and cause more damage than the forward.
i'd have cartin on my starting team every day of the week
think it was just injury, and being fed up never being able to play due to injury the main reason he left. you can see his point, i cant remember the last championhip game he started for derry, and he's been around the panel for a long time.
just a very unfortunate player, very similar to micky mc goldrick and mc cusker, with constant bad luck. i'd have all 3 in my defence.
Would have Cartin over Mc Kaigue any day of the week, ideal defence would be Mc Guckin, Mc Cusker/Lockhart (defending on the type of player they will mark), O Kane then 2 Mc Goldricks and Cartin.
I agree with this 100%.
Cartin left purely over injury frustration. He was playing well in the league and that was the first decent run he'd had in about 3 years without injury. He got injured before the league final and was gutted he couldnt play. He came back from injury and was due to start against Monaghan but injured his groin in the warm up. He was going to be 6-8 weeks out again so at this stage he was totally fed up by all accounts. Couldnt blame him to be honest. From a Derry point of view I wish he was still on the panel as I'm sure he'd be starting and would be a real asset in the half back line.