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#14191
Quote from: Evil Genius on April 24, 2007, 11:28:28 AM
Hang on a minute. Someone wrote a play about what was then a current, actual event which she hadn't attended. Fair enough, she's entitled to do so, whether I or anyone else likes what she's written.
But that is not the point which Sammy and I and other NI fans are making.
Rather, the fat bigot Fearon reappears to herald a revival of the play, alleging that absolutely nothing has changed since the events which Jones dramatised.

I have already dismissed Fearan's analysis as tripe in my first post.
Don't mix and match  posts or points made.

What has emerged is that
Sammy denies the play is about one man dealing with his bigoted mindset.
Many Lies in the play.
Times have changed, no context now for reviving the play.

Imo
Its so called resurrection in Belfast (did it die)
can have a continued positive effect on bigoted influences in society.
Laugh at the pure irrational hateful stupidity of bigotry. It's one way a society can deal with it. Plays like this  expose bigotry, its causes, maintaining factors and be okay with it before it is swept under the carpet.
Bring it up, expose it, laugh at it and dump it.
The impression I get from you and Sammy is that everything is fine now don't bring up the Bigotry play again. Why the feck not? If everybody is okay with Bigotry in the North then either no one will go to it or people will go and enjoy to be reminded of the vileness of bigotry.
If there is a reaction against the  showing of the play, then not everybody is comfortable with the bigoted past.
Who gives a feck if it's just about loyalist bigots. Dermot Morgan had for decades lampooning catholicism and their bigots with savage humor.

#14192
Quote from: SammyG on April 23, 2007, 09:52:28 PM
I've no idea what this means but I love Father Ted if that helps.

Sammy, It's hard to imagine that you have a sense of humor not to mention some love in your heart as well.
#14193
Down a familiar road of a Nationalists head count at WP and Neil Lennon quotes.
Therfore in this context bigotry is not obvious at WP therefore the play needs updating.
Imo the play doesn't need updating. It's a sharp enough reflection of bigotry in a moment of time.
It is a play which has travelled well to different cultures. The play has a purpose wherever in the world there are bigots.
It's based on real enough characters that the playright and the actor have identified in their own life.

Marie wasn't there that night in November, so what, maybe she had never been to a dole office or attended a golf club social. What's the insinuation, that she can't write a play about bigotry? It like some arse criticizing One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest because such and such would never have happened in an asylum.
Sammy are you the 6 county equivalant of the critics who campaigned to have Dermot Morgan censored in the Father Trendy days ?
#14194
Apparantly she was very proud of the play when Marty Maguire was doing it. Much of it was written with him in mind.
PM Marie herself for her personal thoughts and feelings about going to WP these days.
#14195
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 22, 2007, 08:29:05 PM

Senior game on a full length GAA pitch of course?
#14196
Quote from: SammyG on April 22, 2007, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
So Sammy are you letting pedantry get in the way of a good laugh?
It's play about bigotry the world over, no need to take it so personal just because it's set in the North. I would have thought the location was spot on.

The play might be a lot of things but I don't think anybody would describe it as a 'good laugh'.
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
QuoteI wonder what the GAWA playwright thinks about the rival?
what does that mean?

When Marie Jones wrote the play, she admitted that she'd never been to a match. Since then she has joined the Green and White Army and now goes to matches home and away. I was just wondering what she thinks of her play being resurrected, years after it's 'sell by date', given that she's now a member of the 'bigots', that the play criticises.
Oh I misunderstood, I thought WP was a different place these days.

You appear obsessed with presumptions about Marie Jones.
Who gives a fiddlers fart what goes through Marie Jones's head.

#14197
So Sammy are you letting pedantry get in the way of a good laugh?
It's play about bigotry the world over, no need to take it so personal just because it's set in the North. I would have thought the location was spot on.

QuoteI wonder what the GAWA playwright thinks about the rival?
what does that mean?
#14198
Quote from: Evil Genius on April 22, 2007, 02:39:15 PM
Anyhow, about this play, some facts might help:
The relevant fact is that Marie has written a world wide critically acclaimed hit and could if she wanted rest on that achievement alone.
Here is a stream of a Boston US public radio show with Marty Maguire explaining the story behind
"A night in November"  and performing extracts from the show, it's good stuff.

http://stream.publicbroadcasting.net/ros/open_source_061122.mp3
#14199
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 22, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on April 22, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
If you are so interested in 'equality' you will have no problem with Cork City playing in Pairc Ui Caoimh, a local authority owned pitch that has recieved capital funding?
Cork GAA are listed as the owners of Pairc ui Caoimh.
Im sure CCFC fans could fit easily into one section behind the goals. Cork City FC, if that's their name this year, is a privately owned soccer club, could surely fill out their own forms and submit them them to the Sports Council and apply for grants.
#14200
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 21, 2007, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: hoop on April 21, 2007, 07:00:24 PM
I know that GAA heads are fond of generalization, but any suggestion that this kind of behavior is typical of Rovers fans is absolutely ludicrous. Genuine Rovers fans abhor such carry-on and condemn it unreservedly. There are many Rovers members, volunteers and genuine fans (I'm all three) and after all the time, effort and money put in, it is nauseating to see such lowlife turn up at Rovers matches, intent on aping there lowlife counterparts across the water. Their is absolutely NO excuse for the infantile chants heard last night. The Rovers board has issued an apology on www.shamrockrovers.ie - and if the perpetrators can be identified, they will be barred from future games.
It isn't an appropriate time in the thread to attempt to split my side with laughter with starting your post like that.
Any idea why the sick abuse was not reported to the stewards or were there any reports of other fans trying to stop them?
#14201
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 21, 2007, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 21, 2007, 05:09:51 PM
I caught a small bit on the radio this morning. It appears one of the Drogheda players (Webb?) recently lost his wife and is just back playing after her death. Some of the Rovers fans were giving him some verbals over it.

Would you expect more?
"Some verbals" doesn't quite explain it.
There are different versions flying around. Most are agreed on something very like "isn't cancer a bitch" was shouted at Simon Webb whenever he was playing close to the more noxious of the Rovers supporters. Webb's wife I think died from cancer. That's why Doolin was livid and Webb was reported to be shattered.
#14202
Quote from: T Fearon on April 21, 2007, 12:13:35 PM
It is fitting that this powerful drama is being revived at this time, to counteract the deluded propaganda that sectarianism has been eradicated from Windsor Park
A play set in time 14 years ago does not counteract anything about WP today. What timepiece do you have?
   
I haven't seen the play. I thought it was about one man's reaction to the Windsor Pk "experience", leading him to examine and deal with his own prejudices.
#14203
QuoteCan anyone give me directions from Castleblaney to Latton?

http://www.monaghantourism.com/html/moncountymap.html

Go via Ballybay
#14204
What's the news on Lennon, how long is he out for?
#14205
QuoteFinlay picked up 2 yellow cards in two league games and had to sit out last Sundas thrill a minute in St Tiernachs park
Is there a change in the rules? I thought that 2 yellow cards in the one game leads to a sending off, punishment completed. But 2  dismissals in two games from 2 yellow card offences leads to a couple of weeks suspension.