Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022

[David McKeown]

Every punch is "a fling of the arm". It wasn't a haymaker but it was a jab in the head.

It 100% is a red card in Gaelic Football and deserves a suspension.

Yeah but not every fling of the arm is a strike or attempt to strike. For example it wasn't a red card when done by Murphy during the match. It's certainly not as clear cut as you would make it out. It is a fling of the arm and may have been an attempt to strike but it doesn't seem to be aimed at the Donegal 10 and O'Neills movement both before and after are not the movements of someone attempting to strike an opponent. So for me it's a judgement call. If the ref had adjudged it a red I don't think it would be overturned but at the same time I don't think it's conclusive enough to ground a charge. Again though are we not speculating what offence he's been charged with?

[tonto1888]

Whatever about the other suspensions, O'Neill punched a fella in the head. He has no case at all.

It was hardly a punch but I agree he doesn't really have a leg to stand on if his were appealed

[nrico2006]

Every punch is "a fling of the arm". It wasn't a haymaker but it was a jab in the head.

It 100% is a red card in Gaelic Football and deserves a suspension.

Yeah but not every fling of the arm is a strike or attempt to strike. For example it wasn't a red card when done by Murphy during the match. It's certainly not as clear cut as you would make it out. It is a fling of the arm and may have been an attempt to strike but it doesn't seem to be aimed at the Donegal 10 and O'Neills movement both before and after are not the movements of someone attempting to strike an opponent. So for me it's a judgement call. If the ref had adjudged it a red I don't think it would be overturned but at the same time I don't think it's conclusive enough to ground a charge. Again though are we not speculating what offence he's been charged with?

True, plus there is some two handed high chest pushes that are going to hurt more than the like of what O'Neills would have done but never a word is said about them.  They are only flings of the arms too.

[KickPass]

Armagh might be better off saying to hell  with this game and playing a mckenna cup side!

In fairness, exiting Ulster in the first round is what they have specialised in under McGeeney. Wooden spoon candidates every year.

[Armagh18]

Armagh might be better off saying to hell  with this game and playing a mckenna cup side!

In fairness, exiting Ulster in the first round is what they have specialised in under McGeeney. Wooden spoon candidates every year.

Gonna make it all the sweeter when we turn over Donegal, men missing or not!

[LCohen]

What irks me the most about the whole process is the role the media play in it.  If the ref. had an issue on the day, issue the red cards there and then and it is clear to everyone why it occurred.  However, when RTE and their pundits decide to show 5 mins of a handbags vs 30 secs of the actual game, then we have every Tom, Dick and Harry calling for suspensions ... that's what pisses me off.  Armagh are correct to challenge this all the way.

I think you are completely wrong. And I say that as an Armagh fan.

The game was over. Ref and his team stood back and tried to observe the incident. No need to issue cards. Not saying that he couldn't issue card just that there was no need to. Between the officials and the camera some issues were picked up. Others were not.

When did this 5 mins on RTE happen? As stated elsewhere it was not on the Sunday night programme.

The incident is mainly handbags and those only involved in handbags are not being sanctioned. But the incident was not exclusively handbags. The incident being generally handbags cannot be a defence to those who take it a step beyond handbags.

Has the thing that is pissing you off actually happened?
Do the grounds for appeal that you have outlined actually exist as grounds of appeal and do they reflect things that have actually happened and been captured by either the camera or the officials?

As fans I think we are embarrassing ourselves and our county.

[LCohen]

not every fling of the arm is a strike or attempt to strike. For example it wasn't a red card when done by Murphy during the match. It's certainly not as clear cut as you would make it out.

David
Do you think Murphy wasn't sent off because the officials decided that some punches are not red card punches or because they didn't see the incident?

[Armagh18]

not every fling of the arm is a strike or attempt to strike. For example it wasn't a red card when done by Murphy during the match. It's certainly not as clear cut as you would make it out.

David
Do you think Murphy wasn't sent off because the officials decided that some punches are not red card punches or because they didn't see the incident?

Did Murphy throw a punch during the game as well?

[balladmaker]

What irks me the most about the whole process is the role the media play in it.  If the ref. had an issue on the day, issue the red cards there and then and it is clear to everyone why it occurred.  However, when RTE and their pundits decide to show 5 mins of a handbags vs 30 secs of the actual game, then we have every Tom, Dick and Harry calling for suspensions ... that's what pisses me off.  Armagh are correct to challenge this all the way.

I think you are completely wrong. And I say that as an Armagh fan.

Fair enough, we all have opinions and are entitled to them.

The game was over. Ref and his team stood back and tried to observe the incident. No need to issue cards. Not saying that he couldn't issue card just that there was no need to. Between the officials and the camera some issues were picked up. Others were not

So let's have full transparency then and remove the ambiguity from the situation.  Let's have it explained as to the merits of what those who have been cited did vs those who were not cited.

When did this 5 mins on RTE happen? As stated elsewhere it was not on the Sunday night programme.

I've the series of League Sunday recorded, they focused a lot more on the afters than on the game itself, I'll time it later if I get the chance

The incident is mainly handbags and those only involved in handbags are not being sanctioned. But the incident was not exclusively handbags. The incident being generally handbags cannot be a defence to those who take it a step beyond handbags.

Again, let's have the transparency then.

Has the thing that is pissing you off actually happened?

I feel that it has ... the fact that RTE, both TV and Podcast, show a bias to some situations vs others depending on who is playing pisses me off.

Do the grounds for appeal that you have outlined actually exist as grounds of appeal and do they reflect things that have actually happened and been captured by either the camera or the officials?

I was at the game, I've watched the available footage although limited .. I'm looking at the situation in the context of what I observed being there.  Yes, I do think some of the appeals have a chance of success.

As fans I think we are embarrassing ourselves and our county.

Wise up, this is a GAA Discussion Board, not The Hague 

[trailer]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

[Cavan19]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

Poor Tyrone.

[Armagh18]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

For once I agree. Kerry's new found "intensity" as Spillane calls it, that was on display vs Armagh looks very similar to Tyrone and Armagh's puke football.

[J70]

Maybe the Tyrone and Armagh boys should start a separate thread on their respective plights. There they could commiserate and share stories of gallant good fights against the odds over the years.

And leave the rest of us out of it.

[Armagh18]

Jaysus I didn't think I'd ever find a county to dislike more than Tyrone but these Donegal hoors are giving it a good go

[yellowcard]

I'd be interested to know when the last time a team had 4 players suspended for a championship match. I can't think of any in recent memory, it is unprecedented and totally disproportionate to the incident involved.

Armagh have been very very quiet on the whole incident - there has been nobody from the team management, the county board or former players putting forward any degree of protestations. I'm not sure if it is because of the GPA ban but you would like to think that they are doing everything to defend these players in the background because they haven't had much support in the media since the incident.