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Not true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.

I think I'll go to bed, especially as I posted the rules in #361 and identified that the Westmeath score was relevant at that point. But then lost confidence in my own post.

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);


Westmeath will not be easily hammered, and given that they almost beat Tyrone in the last game last year they will hang on to the end. At minimum they will determine second and third place and that could be material.

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.

Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

Yeah the only tight win we've had against a strong team in recent years was that Galway group game. I know we beat Tyrone and Donegal well in 22 but they were both poor at the time

We played Galway one year and it went to penalties and the following year we scrambled a one point win, partly because they had injuries. A similar outcome against Derry will do fine.

On current numbers, the Lib Dems will become the official opposition. First past the post is bollix.
Mind you some of the sitting Conservatives might retain their seats, owing to good local work and perhaps being remainers and anti Johnson, if there are any left.

LAB: 540 (+343)
CON: 29 (-347)
LIB: 46 (+38)
REF: 0 (-)
GRN: 2 (+1)
SNP: 12 (-36)

It's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.

In the event of teams finishing on equal points in a Quarter-Final Group, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the Group
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for.
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) A Play-Off

Presumably though Derry could also beat Westmeath by more than Armagh did.

So Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key

Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.

I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.

In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.

That's harsh. I'd say 8.5 times out of 10.

6

6 seems to reflect the bookies odds anyway.

So what did we learn today Kids ?
Firstly Ukraine forcing people into the Military against their will .
Secondly Ukraine shelling civilian areas in the Donbass and Russia .
Next Zalensky`s term as President is up but he won`t step down as he knows he`s not popular with the people so will carry on as a Dictator .
Disturbingly the antidemocracy continues with Ukraine having banned Political Parties and disenfranchised an ethnic minority .
And lastly the Ukrainians are planning on using Chemicals weapons which goes against the Geneva Protocol .

Christ on a Bicycle and all this with the backing of the US and NATO . Desperate carry on !

Also today Moldovan opposition Leader Alexei Lungu was arrested after returning from a Conference in Moscow . Thankfully he was released without charge . Moldovan Government under the thumb of America just like Ukraine and Israel . US ramping up tensions in Eastern Europe ! !

We know nothing of the sort.
This is typical misuse of language. "Forcing people into the military" is usually more concisely stated as conscription and is used in Cyprus, Greece, Austria, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark, and is now proposed for the UK in the current election.
Ordering gas masks does not mean that you are planning to use gas any more than ordering FP2 masks implies that you are planning to spread Covid.
And part of Moldova is occupied by Russia, of course their police want to know what someone was doing going to Moscow. This problem would not exist, as would the shelling in Donbas etc, if Russia simply stayed witin its own borders stopped invading its neighbours.

Do you agree that Russia should withdraw to its own borders?

Someone didn't proofread the end of this

What a complete strawman argument..... ashamed 

All of your points can be true but completely irrelevant if the US wants to use said country as their proxy to weaken their sworn enemy in a drawn out conflict.
I'm arguing that thats what the US (and Europe) is doing and Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price sadly. I don't have to love Russia to hold this view.

This like the unionists who think we are all out to get them. Russia is a nuisance, the US is not that bothered about them. This notion that NATO is trying to destroy Russia is nonsense.
 
The Ukrainians want to be free, why do you object to this?

Donegal are the only unbeaten team in league and championship this year. P12 W11 D1  F225  A164

Donegal last year after 12 league and championship games.  W3 D1 L8  F154 A206

10 wins in games and 1 in a penalty competition.

You can`t compare Nazi Parties in Britain at that time with Parties in Ukraine that represent an ethnic Minority . Are you seriously telling me that The Antifascist Committee of Ukraine , The Communist Party of Ukraine and Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine are Nazi Parties ?

These parties are not banned for representing anyone, they are banned because they supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Any group which seeks progress though a foreign power invading rather than through winning elections cannot be characterised as a political party in a democratic state.

Communist Party of Ukraine banned since 2015 , Russaian SMO started 2 years ago !

Russia invaded Crimea in 2014.

If Ukraine wants gas masks than it is more likely for defence
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68941220

You can`t compare Nazi Parties in Britain at that time with Parties in Ukraine that represent an ethnic Minority . Are you seriously telling me that The Antifascist Committee of Ukraine , The Communist Party of Ukraine and Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine are Nazi Parties ?

These parties are not banned for representing anyone, they are banned because they supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Any group which seeks progress though a foreign power invading rather than through winning elections cannot be characterised as a political party in a democratic state.

[As for inflation, I doubt if prices are any higher than ever they were and most people have no problem paying for them if they are interested, look at the crowds in the Munster hurling or the quarter of a million people who paid out €150 a go for Bruce Springsteen.]

The fall in attendances are actually incredible in the past 5-10 years, there are too many matches with nothing on the line at high prices in an inflation/cost of living crisis.

So many big staidums now and they forgot to keep the supporters onside

What is needed is competition. Someone noted that Celtic park in Derry had been hardly used for years and this year it has had 3 full house games. The Leinster championship is not getting the crowds of 30 years ago because there is zero chance of a Dublin-Meath game going to extra time. As for inflation, I doubt if prices are any higher than ever they were and most people have no problem paying for them if they are interested, look at the crowds in the Munster hurling or the quarter of a million people who paid out €150 a go for Bruce Springsteen.

Perhaps the price isnt too bad but it's the condensed format that goes along with the price. Big costs for families every week or fortnight is not sustainable for many.

As much as I love the Ulster championship, it is now clear that the provincials have to go.

Mechanisms such as the €50 ticket for the 3 group games are a response to the cost.

As for the provincial championships, when they are abolished people will then be posting that it used to be possible for families to go to Omagh or Clones but the cost of having to go to games in Kerry or Galway is prohibitive.

No acknowledgement that bringing an army up to a border (after years of US backed revolution and conflict in that said country) is an act of aggression. 

One side good ..... the other side bad

Russia had actual bases in Ukraine, was that an act of aggression?
There was conflict in that country, shit stirred up by Russia which tried to thwart the wishes of the Ukrainian people to join the EU.