Time to look forward a chairde, and leave the immediate past behind (rather conveniently ;)). My wish list of a team against Limerick on the 25th March:
Unavailable
Joe Mc Mahon
C Mc Ginley
Philip Jordan
Seán Cavanagh
Brian Mc Guigan
The team to start (wishful)
P Mc Connell
R Mc Menamin D Mc Caul M Magee (if fit)
D Harte C Gormley D Carlin
Kelvin Hughes Kevin Hughes
B Dooher Mulligan Cavlan
C Mc Carron (Omagh) O'Neill E Mc Ginley
Subs
C Cavanagh
P Rouse
Justin Mc Mahon
C Mc Cullagh
T Mc Guigan
P Donnelly
Sin é é! ;D
Will Mugsy be back from his ban?????
Apart from that not a bad team. Might have Cavo in at MF For Kelvin though.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 14, 2007, 08:10:54 PM
Will Mugsy be back from his ban?????
To the best of my knowledge it's up at midnight on Saturday 24th. Might have Joe Mc Mahon back in the subs too, and could be complications with the U21s playing Armagh on the 24th.
No place for Raymie Mulgrew?? On that point when is the next u-21 game? Seem to remember reading somewhere that there is another clash soon with u-21 and senior game. If we have the u-21 boys and Mugsy is available how about this...
1.McConnell
2.McMenamin
3.McCaul
4.McGee
5.Harte
6.Gormley
7.Justin McMahon
8.McGinley
9.Kevin Hughes
10.Dooher
11.Cavlan
12.Mulgrew
13.C.Cavanagh
14.O'Neill
15.Mulligan
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 14, 2007, 08:14:20 PM
could be complications with the U21s playing Armagh on the 24th.
In which case the team I listed has no chance of taking the field against Limerick.
A big game this at a tough venue. Limerick will smell blood. A win and a semi-final berth is on the cards. Lose and we're staring division three in the gob.
Quote from: ONeill on March 14, 2007, 08:28:19 PM
A big game this at a tough venue. Limerick will smell blood. A win and a semi-final berth is on the cards. Lose and we're staring division three in the gob.
To be sure, it'll be a tough one, but such is needed to get the train back on the rails.
U21s , will play Armagh , on Sat March 24th , in Crossmaglen.
This is going to be a big game all right. With Kerry and Mayo coming afterwards, this is a must win for Tyrone and the two week break will help them get ready for it (although I said that after Cork as well).
Limerick will be awkward but its better than heading to Kerry next. We need to end this bad run of results - another loss wouldn't be good at all. MH is probably on his worst run since he took over, he's had 2 losses in a row before but not two beatings like the last two, but I'm not ready to lose any faith in him.
The U21s will be playing on the Sat (I think) so its hard to see any of those boys facing Limerick and Mulgrew will be missed again. But Mugsy will be back and a few others could be fitter/sharper - it would be near impossible to try and pick the team at this point. It has changed so much from game to game recently and that probably hasn't helped in the last couple of games.
MH allegedly mentioned after the Donegal game that the one night a week training he has done in previous years got him by no problem but that other teams are now sharper earlier in the year and its not enough this year. Does anybody know if the training is up to 2 nights from now on?
Anybody heading down to Limerick?
Quote from: ClosetotheHarte on March 14, 2007, 10:39:31 PM
Does anybody know if the training is up to 2 nights from now on?
Anybody heading down to Limerick?
Not sure when the 2 nights per week training kicks in, and not sure what the likes of Donegal have been doing lately -- it would appear that they were together on more than the one night per week recently, certainly played like that.
Heading to Limerick on the Saturday.
Donegal looked like they'd stepped up their training from the McKenna Final a few weeks earlier - they were so much sharper. I'd say Tyrone will be doing the same soon, probably earlier than MH had hoped to do, because of results.
Wonder how the party is getting on up in Greencastle these days? I'd say its still going on unless Sean has put a deadline on it! Did any neutrals here head up that direction on Sunday evening, or since, to check things out?
(Sorry, this hasn't anything to do with the Limerick game!!!)
Still hold out hopes for this team some day:
1. McConnell
2. McMahon
3. McGinley
4. McMahon
5. Gormley
6. Gormley
7. McGinley
8. Hughes
9. Hughes
10 McGuigan
11 McGuigan
12. Cavanagh
13. Cavanagh
14 McCarron
15 McCarron
Quote1. McConnell
2. McMahon
3. McGinley
4. McMahon
5. Gormley
6. Gormley
7. McGinley
8. Hughes
9. Hughes
10 McGuigan
11 McGuigan
12. Cavanagh
13. Cavanagh
14 McCarron
15 McCarron
perhaps a team to play at "Clones" :D
Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
Quote1. McConnell
2. McMahon
3. McGinley
4. McMahon
5. Gormley
6. Gormley
7. McGinley
8. Hughes
9. Hughes
10 McGuigan
11 McGuigan
12. Cavanagh
13. Cavanagh
14 McCarron
15 McCarron
perhaps a team to play at "Clones" :D
Good one Arm :D :D
And we could have ricey and rousey on the bench like the film twins :D :D
McMahon boost for Tyrone
14 March 2007
Joe McMahon is on course for a return to the Tyrone team after undergoing surgery on a groin problem in Germany last month.
McMahon recently returned to full training, and is expected to be in contention for a starting place when Tyrone take on Limerick in their next league outing on Sunday week.
"I might be ready to play against Limerick. I have played a challenge game with the club and a practice match with Tyrone and it has gone okay," hesaid.
Doctors at the hospital in Munich where McMahon underwent the revolutionary surgery guarantee that a player will be back in training within 7-10 days of having the procedure and McMahon returned to training within that timeframe.
His team-mate Philip Jordan underwent surgery on a similar problem last week at the same hospital and expects to be back playing within a month.
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has already been boosted by the return of long-term injury victims Brian Dooher and Conor Gormley, but this has been offset by fresh injuries to Sean Cavanagh and Cormac McGinley.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74234
O'Neill is wasted at full forward imo. His biggest strength is his ability for going past defenders and scoring from distance. He's not the man to be dropping long balls on in the square. Mulligan has shown in the past that he can win dropping ball from a standing position and that's what a full forward needs to be able to do. I'd have him a full forward and O'Neill somewhere in the half forwards.
Quote from: Star Spangler on March 15, 2007, 10:13:13 AM
O'Neill is wasted at full forward imo. His biggest strength is his ability for going past defenders and scoring from distance. He's not the man to be dropping long balls on in the square. Mulligan has shown in the past that he can win dropping ball from a standing position and that's what a full forward needs to be able to do. I'd have him a full forward and O'Neill somewhere in the half forwards.
Fair point, but I could see him being named there but dropping back as the situations require.
SON has played much better over the past few years when named at FF then allowed to drift and look for the ball than when he has started in the half forward line.
Am I the only one who thinks (going back to NFL v Galway 2003) that Mellon could do a job in MF?
Woulod get a few scores, good fielder of the ball................
Does anyone else agree that there are too many times we find it hard to win long balls into our FF line.
Usually Stevie and Mugsy are always being held or pulled and they find it hard to make space although usually without McGuigan the ball in is not the best and is often too slow so that when they make a run, by the time they get the pass the defender has caught up with them.
I believe they have begun training twice a week this week onwards.
I agree that Mickey will use this anti Tyrone national feeling now to galvanise the squad and create a new hunger for this year.
I think he has developed his motivational skills a lot with the help of that guy Bart ?????? and knows how to change things around.
Has he become a wee bit like Mourinho and doesnt care what people think of him now as he's held bent on winning a 3rd AI and not just being Mr nice guy who rests on his laurels.
I thiink one of the biggest problems we have at the minute is the crazy solo run some of our lads seem to make each and every time they get the ball.
when we won in 2003 and 2005 we raced forward, short passing and working the ball in early to the FF line
against Donegal and Cork we just seemed to get the head down and run with the ball until surrounded by 2/3 players, eerie memoreis of Kerry SF 2003 coming back.
Maybe the lack of a CHF fulcrum is hampering this but surely we can learn (Carlin) from lessons to dat....
Quote from: tyroneman on March 15, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
I thiink one of the biggest problems we have at the minute is the crazy solo run some of our lads seem to make each and every time they get the ball.
when we won in 2003 and 2005 we raced forward, short passing and working the ball in early to the FF line
against Donegal and Cork we just seemed to get the head down and run with the ball until surrounded by 2/3 players, eerie memoreis of Kerry SF 2003 coming back.
Maybe the lack of a CHF fulcrum is hampering this but surely we can learn (Carlin) from lessons to dat....
To be fair here, it was his solo runs that opened it up against Dublin in the 2nd half when he proved almost impossible to dispossess, however, that is not to say that that will work against stouter defending (and it hasn't), and that is what he hasn't quite accepted yet. If he can learn to judge better when to solo and when to offload he'd be much the better for it!
QuoteUsually Stevie and Mugsy are always being held or pulled and they find it hard to make space
The point is a good full forward doesn't need much space to win long balls coming into the square.
Quote from: Star Spangler on March 15, 2007, 04:11:34 PM
QuoteUsually Stevie and Mugsy are always being held or pulled and they find it hard to make space
The point is a good full forward doesn't need much space to win long balls coming into the square.
Maybe he's (Stevie O'Neill) rediscovering his form (And Brian Dooher too):
O'Neill's Sportswear sponsored O'Nolan Cup.
The final of the O'Nolan Cup Floodlit Tournament final sponsored by O'Neill's Sportswear was held at Páirc Mhic Sioghair on Friday night past (16th March) and it was a Tyrone victory with Clann na nGael defeating Derry side Dungiven by 1-8 to 0-5 in a keenly contested affair.
Tyrone star Stephen O'Neill hit the only goal of the game and only for some excellent netminding by both goalkeepers there could have been at least half a dozen goals.
Dungiven were minus a few regulars for the game but the Clann men were inspired by the Tyrone pairing of Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher and at the end of the hour they were deserving winners...Extract from a report on the match at www.strabanegaa.org.
Largely just to bump this back onto the first page, a stab at a starting 15.
Written with the assumption that none of the U-21s can feature, that Cormac McGinley isn't fit and with a strong desire to keep Peter Donnelly as far away from the starting 15 as possible.
1. P McConnell
2. Ricey 3. C Gormley 4. M McGee
5. D Harte 6. E McGinley 7. D Carlin
8. Kevin Hughes 9. R Mellon
10. B Dooher 11. Mugsy 12. G Cavlan
13 S O'Neill 14. P Rouse 15. C McCullough
With Stevie being given freedom to drop off the ff line and with the hope that Joe McMahon would get a run out for the most of the 2nd half.
Quote from: uselessfootballer on March 21, 2007, 04:29:35 PM
Largely just to bump this back onto the first page, a stab at a starting 15.
Written with the assumption that none of the U-21s can feature, that Cormac McGinley isn't fit and with a strong desire to keep Peter Donnelly as far away from the starting 15 as possible.
1. P McConnell
2. Ricey 3. C Gormley 4. M McGee
5. D Harte 6. E McGinley 7. D Carlin
8. Kevin Hughes 9. R Mellon
10. B Dooher 11. Mugsy 12. G Cavlan
13 S O'Neill 14. P Rouse 15. C McCullough
With Stevie being given freedom to drop off the ff line and with the hope that Joe McMahon would get a run out for the most of the 2nd half.
Could be close, if all the U21s are out of the equation, though I wouldn't mind Kelvin Hughes getting a proper (2nd) run out at midfield, with Ryan Mellon given another chance in the left corner. Justin Mc Mahon would be an option at CHB too.
I can see a relatively unchanged line out with Donnelly and Kel Hughes getting another chance. I think the FF line will be Mellon/O'Neill/McCullagh.
I'd like to see, though it'll not happen,
10 Dooher 11 Cavlan 12 Mellon
13 Mugsy 14 O'Neill 15 McCullagh
Scoring has been a problem and you'd like to think 13 and 14 would see to that. However, that formation would normally depend on Sean Cavanagh seeing enough possession around the middle third. With him absent, big games (or last chance saloons) needed from our midfield pairing with Mellon helping to dung out.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 21, 2007, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on March 21, 2007, 04:29:35 PM
Largely just to bump this back onto the first page, a stab at a starting 15.
Written with the assumption that none of the U-21s can feature, that Cormac McGinley isn't fit and with a strong desire to keep Peter Donnelly as far away from the starting 15 as possible.
1. P McConnell
2. Ricey 3. C Gormley 4. M McGee
5. D Harte 6. E McGinley 7. D Carlin
8. Kevin Hughes 9. R Mellon
10. B Dooher 11. Mugsy 12. G Cavlan
13 S O'Neill 14. P Rouse 15. C McCullough
With Stevie being given freedom to drop off the ff line and with the hope that Joe McMahon would get a run out for the most of the 2nd half.
Could be close, if all the U21s are out of the equation, though I wouldn't mind Kelvin Hughes getting a proper (2nd) run out at midfield, with Ryan Mellon given another chance in the left corner. Justin Mc Mahon would be an option at CHB too.
Yes, I'd like to see Justin in there somewhere, and Enda further up the field where we've had a problem lately. His goal against Donegal was the best attacking moment of that game so I'd be inclined to keep him up there to help out Mugsy and Stevie, who'll be looking for a return to form.
Not sure who to play in the middle but I would like Hub back and hopefully he can improve steadily in time for the Championship. Don't know who I'd partner him with, maybe the other K Hughes should get one more (final?) chance. Wouldn't mind seeing Rouse get a start too.
It has become an important game this one, that's for sure, and with the break we should be able to get ourselves back on the right track.
I've a gut feeling we've seen the best of Hub, hope I'm wrong. Enda McGinley will not be named in the half backs although, if Mickey has seen enough of Donnelly, Enda may play alongside either Hughes in the middle. Has done that before to great effect.
Anybody got up to date times on both Tyrones games this weekend. And TV coverage of Limerick anyone?
Big Enda could do with a midfield opportunity,(fitness is currently poor) as he fared there most of 05. Mellon at midfield (now we are talking final chances) is another possibility, and Hub (I think he has been rubbish for 2 years) as well, but its a tired pick of options for there. i maintain Sean Cavanagh has been Tyrones midfield for the past 2 years and we didnt appreciate him fully - he is Tyrones best footballer and MVP bar none. As a Tyrone supporter My fear is that if Kelvin H dosent make it and star pulling the performances that he has been producing from club week in and out for 5 years then we are looking at a sub power partener to Big Sean, Now is the time to develop these guys and he has had at least 10 less chances than some of the other options and many years less experience. Relax, dont get the knives out yet, iTs national league, My other concern is the fact that I believe our best football this year has been in the Mc Kenna cup asnd my fear is that we have now abandoned much of our youth for the older guys and some of them well may be slighltly over the hill.
Quote from: ONeill on March 21, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
I've a gut feeling we've seen the best of Hub, hope I'm wrong. Enda McGinley will not be named in the half backs although, if Mickey has seen enough of Donnelly, Enda may play alongside either Hughes in the middle. Has done that before to great effect.
So do I, the thought had crossed my mind too. Not easy to get back up to the heights he once occupied, but possible I'd hope, and hoping that it's sooner rather than later.
sometimes I wonder about the Cavlan, Mulligan, Mc Gee axis too. These guys have gaiven unparalled service but you have to admit theres young whippersnappers deserving chances too, if these guys dont do their job. My big disappointment is the lack of Cathal Mc Carron in the senior team, I think he has been a breath of fresh air for Tyrone football this season. the under 21s could be fecking up his, JnR Cavanagh, Boggs and Mc Cauls chances. I see mulligan is tipped for no 11 again... after Cork? Surely Tommy Mc Guigan is playing better ball than him at the moment.
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 22, 2007, 09:30:25 AM
sometimes I wonder about the Cavlan, Mulligan, Mc Gee axis too. These guys have gaiven unparalled service but you have to admit theres young whippersnappers deserving chances too, if these guys dont do their job. My big disappointment is the lack of Cathal Mc Carron in the senior team, I think he has been a breath of fresh air for Tyrone football this season. the under 21s could be fecking up his, JnR Cavanagh, Boggs and Mc Cauls chances. I see mulligan is tipped for no 11 again... after Cork? Surely Tommy Mc Guigan is playing better ball than him at the moment.
To be fair, he wasn't the only one that had a horrible day at the office in Cork; I thought he was doing well there until that game, so wouldn't be too worried about him lining out there again. Cathal Mc Carron may yet figure in the Seniors, I'd hope.
agreed, but we had enda in there v Donehgal and it didnt work either tommy must be injured is he?
Quote10. B Dooher 11. Mugsy 12. G Cavlan
13 S O'Neill 14. P Rouse 15. C McCullough
I like the look of that. Everyone's aware of our problems with the full-back position but I believe we have as much of a problem with the full-forward position. We haven't had a player perform consistently in that position since PTG. As stated before, I think O'Neill's talents are wasted in there. It's a position for a ball-winner and this wouldn't be O'Neills greatest ability. A big player like Rouse could make the position is own - winning ball and laying off to the likes of O'Neill and Mugsy in space to finish it off.
Yip that looks better. National league football is tough on O Neill and he gets the back thumped of him every match. move him to the corner might freshen him up again. And I like Rouse, c
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 22, 2007, 09:50:19 AM
agreed, but we had enda in there v Donehgal and it didnt work either tommy must be injured is he?
Tommy was injured a few weeks back in the lead up to the Donegal game but as far as I know is back in action again. He should be getting a chance in either the half foraward line or midfield in my opinion.
Are many going down to Limerick. Im thinking of heading down Sunday morning and coming up again that evening. How long it take?
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 22, 2007, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 22, 2007, 09:50:19 AM
agreed, but we had enda in there v Donehgal and it didnt work either tommy must be injured is he?
Tommy was injured a few weeks back in the lead up to the Donegal game but as far as I know is back in action again. He should be getting a chance in either the half foraward line or midfield in my opinion.
Agreed, certainly worth a go.
snappiered, you are talking about a 10 hour roundtrip. 5hrs down and back up. tough going.
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 22, 2007, 05:56:31 PM
snappiered, you are talking about a 10 hour roundtrip. 5hrs down and back up. tough going.
Here's the AA estimate from Omagh as an example, at http://www.theaa.com/travelwatch/planner_main.jsp?database=I, 3.35 hours, and it should be fairly accurate. Add on appropriately from north of Omagh, likewise deduct from south:
Section Miles Road Total Miles
0.00 Start out at Omagh,Tyrone B48 0.00
0.15 At traffic signals continue forward onto the A505 (signposted Dublin) A505 0.15
0.22 At traffic signals continue forward onto Dublin Road - A5 A5 0.37
15.28 At Ballygawley Roundabout take the 3rd exit onto the A4 (signposted Armagh, Dublin, Enniskillen) A4 15.66
0.15 Turn left (signposted Dublin, Armagh) A5 15.81
4.02 Continue forward onto Moore Street - A5. Entering Aughnacloy A5 19.83
0.19 Turn right onto the A5 (signposted Monaghan) A5 20.02
0.93 At border with Republic of Ireland continue forward onto the N2 N2 20.95
2.07 Bear left onto the N2. Entering Mullabryan N2 23.02
2.02 Bear right onto Main Street - N2. Entering Emyvale N2 25.04
5.72 Continue forward onto the N2. Entering Monaghan N2 30.76
1.49 Turn right (signposted Clones N54) N2 32.25
0.25 At traffic signals continue forward onto Broad Road - N54 (signposted Clones) N54 32.51
0.11 At roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Clones Road - N54 (signposted Clones) N54 32.62
5.19 Continue forward onto the N54. Entering Smithborough N54 37.81
6.80 Continue forward onto Monaghan Street - N54. Entering Clones N54 44.61
0.02 At crossroads continue forward onto Monaghan Street - N54 N54 44.63
0.11 Continue forward onto the N54 (signposted Cavan) N54 44.74
0.68 At border with Northern Ireland continue forward onto the A3 A3 45.43
2.19 At border with Republic of Ireland continue forward onto the N54 N54 47.62
2.23 At border with Northern Ireland continue forward onto the A3 A3 49.85
1.99 At border of Republic of Ireland continue forward onto the N54 N54 51.84
2.43 Continue forward onto the N54. Entering Cloverhill N54 54.27
3.13 At roundabout take the 2nd exit onto the N54 N54 57.40
0.14 Turn left onto the N3 (signposted Dublin, Cavan) N3 57.54
4.86 At Dublin Road roundabout take the 2nd exit onto the N55 (signposted Athlone) N55 62.40
1.58 At roundabout take the 2nd exit onto the N55 (signposted Athlone) N55 63.98
1.80 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Cashel N55 65.78
1.09 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Ballinagh N55 66.87
0.34 Continue forward onto the N55 (signposted Granard, Athlone) N55 67.21
2.95 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Killydoon N55 70.16
9.39 Continue forward onto Barrack Street - N55. Entering Granard N55 79.55
7.62 Continue forward onto Granard Road - N55. Entering Edgeworthstown N55 87.17
0.34 Turn right onto Main Street - N55 (signposted Sligo) N55 87.52
5.88 Continue forward onto the N55 (signposted Athlone) Entering Carrickboy N55 93.40
0.07 At crossroads continue forward onto the N55 N55 93.47
5.51 Continue forward onto Edgeworthstown Road - N55. Entering Ballymahon N55 98.98
0.46 At T-junction turn left onto Main Street - N55 N55 99.44
2.67 Bear right onto the N55 (signposted Athlone) Entering Tang N55 102.12
5.39 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Glassan N55 107.50
2.13 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Ballykerran N55 109.63
1.28 At mini-roundabout continue forward onto the N55 N55 110.92
0.44 Continue forward onto the N55. Entering Athlone N55 111.35
0.68 At roundabout take the 3rd exit onto the N55 (signposted Galway) N55 112.03
0.13 Continue forward, then merge onto the N6 N6 112.16
14.49 Continue forward onto the N6. Entering Ballinasloe N6 126.65
0.76 At traffic signals turn right onto Church Street - N6 (signposted Galway) N6 127.41
0.65 Bear left onto the N6 (signposted Galway) N6 128.06
12.55 Continue forward onto the N6. Entering Kilreekil N6 140.61
5.00 At Fairfield roundabout take the 1st exit onto the R446 (signposted Loughrea) R446 145.60
0.25 Continue forward onto the R446. Entering Loughrea R446 145.85
1.20 Turn left onto the N66 (signposted Gort) N66 147.06
0.04 Turn right onto the N66 (signposted Gort) N66 147.10
3.39 Continue forward onto the N66. Entering Kilchreest N66 150.49
10.55 Continue forward onto the N66. Entering Gort N66 161.04
0.41 Turn left onto Georges Street - N18 (signposted Limerick) N18 161.45
10.01 Continue forward onto the N18. Entering Crusheen N18 171.46
7.14 Continue forward onto Gort Road - N18. Entering Ennis N18 178.60
0.42 At mini-roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Highfield Park - N18 (signposted Limerick, Shannon Airport (N19) N18 179.02
0.44 At roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Mill Road - N18 (signposted Limerick, Shannon Airport (N19) N18 179.46
1.14 At roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Limerick Road - N18 (signposted Limerick, Shannon Airport) N18 180.60
0.31 At mini-roundabout continue forward onto Limerick Road - N18 (signposted Limerick, Shannon Airport (N19) N18 180.91
19.15 At Coonagh Roundabout take the 3rd exit onto Condell Road - N18 (signposted Cork, Tralee) Entering Limerick Travelodge (Limerick) N18 200.06
0.73 At Clonmacken Roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Condell Road - N18 (signposted Limerick) N18 200.78
1.83 At Shannon Bridge Roundabout take the 2nd exit onto Mallow Street Lower - N18 (signposted City Centre, Waterford (N24) N18 202.62
0.06 Arrive at Limerick,Limerick N18 202.68
- Section time 3:35, Total time 3:35
P McConnell,
R McMenamin, Joe McMahon, D Carlin,
D Harte, C Gormley, Justin McMahon,
P Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes,
B Dooher, S O'Neill, R Mellon,
N Gormley, Kevin Hughes, E McGinley.
A fair few changes. That's a championship defence with just Jordan to come in.
As I thought the midfield get another chance. O'Neill turns provider with Kevin Hughes as target man up front. Niall Gormley's inclusion over Mugsy is the big surprise.
I'd be worried about the firepower again. Is that a prolific FF line?
Quote from: ONeill on March 22, 2007, 09:29:21 PM
P McConnell, R McMenamin, Joe McMahon, D Carlin, D Harte, C Gormley, Justin McMahon, P Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, B Dooher, S O'Neill, R Mellon, N Gormley, Kevin Hughes, E McGinley.
Thanks, great to see Joe Mc Mahon back, take it the line out is as per the listing:
P Mc Connell
R Mc Menamin Joe Mc Mahon D Carlin
D Harte C Gormley Justin Mc Mahon
P Donnelly Kelvin Hughes
B Dooher S O'Neill R Mellon
N Gormley Kevin Hughes E Mc Ginley
Hope that Mulligan, Mc Cullagh and Cavlan are on the bench. Few radical changes there, here's hoping, Tír Eoghain abú!
U-21 and Senior Teams Announced
22 Mar 2007
The U-21 team to play Armagh in the Ulster football Championship semifinal in Davitt Park Lurgan on Saturday at 3.30 pm is:
Jonathan Curran, Damian McCaul, Cathal McCarron, P J Quinn, Brendan Boggs, Ciaran McGinley, Martin Murray, Raymond Mulgrew (Capt.), Colm Cavanagh, John Kelly, Marc Cunningham, Ronan McRory, Conor O'Donnell, Aidan Cassidy, Cathal McCarron
Subs: Greg Kelly, John Gilmore, Paul Marlow, Jason McAnulla, Gerard McCaughey, Niall P McGinn, Shane O'Hagan, Dean O'Neill, Shaun O'Neill
The Senior team to play Limerick in the Allianz National Football League on Sunday at 3.30 pm in Limerick is:
Pascal McConnell, Ryan McMenamin, Joe McMahon, Dermot Carlin, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Justin McMahon, Peter Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Brian Dooher (Capt.), Stephen O'Neill, Ryan Mellon, Niall Gormley, Kevin Hughes, Enda McGinley
Subs: Jonathan Curran, Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh, Colm Donnelly, Colin Holmes, Aiden McCarron, Cathal McCarron, Damian McCaul, Colm McCullagh, Tommy McGuigan, Raymond Mulgrew, Michael Murphy, Martin Penrose, Paul Quinn, Declan Treanor
Agree with Fear an Srath ban on putting hub back to full forward where he played early in his tyrone career and in patches since. Good target man and has eye for a score. Would loosen up O'Neill as well, putting him back at half forward would give him a little space.
Again severe reservations about midfield, we were totally cleaned out in this region against Donegal (an area McIver obviously targeted as a weakness), how many chances is Peter Donnelly going to get? This is one of Hartes major failings in my opinion - his loyalty to certain players who dont seem to be up to the task. Kelvin Hughes probably deserves another chance but he just doesnt convince, I would love to see him prove me wrong as we desperately need some more genuine options in this area.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 22, 2007, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 22, 2007, 09:29:21 PM
Hope that Mulligan, Mc Cullagh and Cavlan are on the bench. Few radical changes there, here's hoping, Tír Eoghain abú!
No Mulligan or Cavlan ??? :o Why not?
With two big men like Hub and McGinley in the full-forward line it would be fairly obvious that they're not both going to play on the edge of the square. I'd expect McGinley will have a more outfield role.
Full forward might be just the place for Hub at the minute. The only concern I would have is his temperament when there's a full-back hanging off him the whole time.
Glad to see Cavlan out of the way - as I've said before, I don't honestly see what other people see in him. He's no stomach for a battle and doesn't work hard enough off the ball.
I've never before said a negative word about Mickey Harte but Jesus some of this selection looks a wee bit like clutching at straws.
Not changing a midfield pairing that was roasted in it's last game, going back in time to Hub Hughes at Full Forward, something that was never a big success. Why put big Rouse on the panel then in a game when you decide you want a physical presence on the FF line overlook him and revert to a positional change that you have tried before without success.
I sincerly hope that I'm posting here on Sunday night saying that I clearly know nothing about football but at the moment MH looks like he's guessing at it.
Peter Donnelly again, does he have compormising photos of MH or something.
QuotePeter Donnelly again, does he have compormising photos of MH or something.
Quite possible, no other explanation for his prescence on the panel over past 3/4 years when he's done nothing, and looks very incapable of doing aything. Again, will never forget the state of him trying to chase a louth man in the summer, or his attempted shot that went up in the air and actually came back and behind him. Rouse should get a chance too at full forward, he showed well in early mckenna games but hasnt been given much of a chance since.
P Mc Connell
R Mc Menamin no soloing new f/b stay around Joe Mc Mahon great to see bigman back keep it simple Carlin no soloing
D Harte only back with license to run with ball C Gormley stay in position Justin Mc M keep it simple
P Donnelly hit and stop running midfielders organise the diamond Kelvin Hughes apply more presence in the central zone feck off Mc Ginley and Hub out of the road
B Dooher license to run S O'Neill score all ? RMellon
N Gormley score score Kevin Hughes Target man ? Mc Ginley
I think the lefta hand side of the team is extremely weak and it looks like Tyrone will be playing everything through Ricey, Harte, Dooher to the only other scoring forward bar O Neill Gormley. The most negative team Mickey has put out in his tenure. I believe its back to basics for alot of Tyrone players. Id be worried abiout his plans for midfield appears to be to throw a lot of bodies into it. This is what happened against Donegal and it crowded out the guys there in the firts place. Id have played Cavanagh and Mc Carron on the left hand side instead of Mc Ginley and Mellon but Mickey knows best. Should win the game anyway.
Is Mugsy injured? Because I can't see him lined out in the subs even?
Would love to see Tommy Mc Guigan given the role that McGinley will be playing, think he deserves his chance and that so far this year McGinley has been poor (except the goal against Donegal).
Would also like to see Cathal McCarron come on in the second half. He has been unable to play due to the U-21s but if he comes through that unscathed would like to see him get the last 20-25 mins to stake a claim for the CF position. Think the HF line is as strong as it could be until McGuigan is back, could play about with Murphy, Treanor or A Mc Carron instead of Mellon but i think mellon is due a big game and could be on his last chance
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 23, 2007, 10:59:11 AM
Id have played Cavanagh and Mc Carron on the left hand side instead of Mc Ginley and Mellon
Surely they are on U21 duty though? There are a few there who would be playing for the senior team if available. Im glad to see Joey back at FB but the midfield still doesnt look too convincing. Another chance for Donnelly and Hughes to prove they have what it takes though.
Not overly excited with Hughes at ff at all. You may remember his performances there when defeated by Donegal in 2004 and against Offaly in the league last year.
Some are calling for Rouse on the basis of a couple of McKenna games. I'll trust that Mickey is seeing enough in training to decide not to start him, yet. I'd imagine McGinley will play as a third midfielder with Mellon perhaps reverting back into the corner. Peter Donnelly - not done it yet. He has it in him I still believe but unless he produces it pronto, he'll fall into that category of useful underage and at club level but unable to cut it at senior county. If anything, in this team for Sunday I'd swap him with Joe McMahon. I thought the absence of Cavanagh would allow a lesser light to grab the bull by the horns around that sector. Hopefully he'll stand up on Sunday whoever it is.
O'Neill should be closer in.
Them under 21s could be used as subs if they come through alright on Saturday in Lurgan. Can anyone confrim that fixture for me please.
I think Mickey is messing about this year, I dont htink he cares about the league and where Tyrone end up tbh. I agree with O neill about Donnelly, I beleive he has something but he really is struggling atm. L:ets hope we unearth a midfilder on Sunday, Hubs at FF because hes not at the races at midfield either, same for Mc Ginley and Mellon. We should be willing men like Hughes and Mc Mahon to make these positions their own not castiagating. I suspect we will see a tighter full back line, midfield and half back line on Sunday a decent half forward line and an un cordinated rabble in full forward, with a number of switches here in the early stages. A big bonus too this weekend afaik thers no weddings planned before or after the game.
Can anyone give me directions to the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick coming from Ennis
Quote from: never kickt a ball on March 23, 2007, 12:40:15 AM
Subs: Jonathan Curran, Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh, Colm Donnelly, Colin Holmes, Aiden McCarron, Cathal McCarron, Damian McCaul, Colm McCullagh, Tommy McGuigan, Raymond Mulgrew, Michael Murphy, Martin Penrose, Paul Quinn, Declan Treanor
Thanks to the above for that! Though I really hope that we don't need the U21s, but we'll need a miraculous improvement in certain quarters to avoid having to call on them.
QuoteCan anyone give me directions to the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick coming from Ennis
from what I recall the Gaelic grounds are on the Ennis rd, a couple of hundred metres on the city side of the junction with the north ring road, so no problem there.
(http://dispatch.mapflow.com/lav3-irl/Dispatch/Map_7204426.jpg)
To Naomh Eanna, directions to Davitt Park:
- Turn off for lurgan from M1
- Take 2nd exit off roundabout which takes you toward Lurgan.
- You will come to a junction about 1/2 mile up the road, go straight through.
- Keep driving towards the town for another mile (going over the railway)
- As you approach the town you will fave a set of traffic lights, go through them (Peeler station on left).
- Take the right at the peeler station.
- Follow that road out towards the McDonald.
- Mini junction at McDonald, with option of going straight on to Portadown or taking a right.
- Take the right. And down that road about 100 yeards or so is Davitt Park - On the left. Very small entrance which is easily missed.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2007, 01:03:25 PM
To Naomh Eanna, directions to Davitt Park:
- Turn off for lurgan from M1
- Take 2nd exit off roundabout which takes you toward Lurgan.
- You will come to a junction about 1/2 mile up the road, go straight through.
- Keep driving towards the town for another mile (going over the railway)
- As you approach the town you will fave a set of traffic lights, go through them (Peeler station on left).
- Take the right at the peeler station.
- Follow that road out towards the McDonald.
- Mini junction at McDonald, with option of going straight on to Portadown or taking a right.
- Take the right. And down that road about 100 yeards or so is Davitt Park - On the left. Very small entrance which is easily missed.
Nrico is that in behind the primary school?
Aye, beside a primary school. One of the next entrances after the school. Pretty crap ground and pitch to be honest.
Gaelic Grounds:
http://mc.multimap.com/cs/mi9//M-3/Y27/M-3844Y27552S25W700H400.gif?pdel_id=200703238269862283&service_seq=2585
No bother. Should be there myself, hopefully get another good performance like the donegal one.
Great to see big Joey back at FB. TO my mind the ONLY option we have there and should be given rest of the NFL to settle back in.
Unfortunatley MH will prob use him to firefight a number of positions and then leave him out completely when McGinley returns :-\
MF is a joke. Donnelly has to, absolutely has to, be in the last chance saloon. however if THAT kick over his own head canlt convince MH then maybe nothing will.
Mellon will play 3rd MF hopefully. Good move as he is a decent fielder of the ball.
SON will hopefully at least see seom ball this time out. Our MF was / is too weak to get it into him quick enough without Sean so at least he'll have a chance this time out.
Hub at FF ::) enough said.
Can't understahnd what's wrong with Mugsy & Cavlan though
I think the Under 21 team looks better than the senior team at the minute.
Glad to see O'Neill on the 40, have been calling for that since this time last yr,
his ability to run at defense's soloing or kicking with either foot is is just what's needed
in this forward line now that Cavanagh is out. Hughes at 14 is a complete disaster, he
wouldn't know where the posts were if they fell on him imo, def has never gotten back
remotely close to his form of '03, Mellon and Donnelly have got to be on last legs at this
stage, though to be fair to Mellon he is not a natural CF anyway.
Good to see Joe Back!
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 23, 2007, 05:41:22 PM
I think the Under 21 team looks better than the senior team at the minute.
Unfortunately even after today's U21 result Sam I think you're still right. :'( A lot now rests on a revival against Limerick.
???
Anybody know if there is online radio coverage of this match anywhere?
was on myself to ask that question.
any radio coverage of the game?
Dublin v Limerick is on the following so I presume the Tyrone game will follow..
http://www.live95fm.ie/
the game is on here
http://www.q101west.fm/q101/new/index.php
Tyrone 1-8 Limerick 0-9
Didnt sound like much of a performance again today but ultimately thats 2 points to stop the rot. Seemed Niall Gormley did well....not sure there were many other positives.
Niall Gormley seemed to be the only positive. Limerick put a ton wide during the game. Had they been on target, they would have been run away winners.
What's the story with Mulligan and Calvin?
Limerick had something like 18 wides!!
Mulligan and Harte have had a fall out.
apparently havnt spoken since he was sent off against Cork
Quote from: phpearse on March 25, 2007, 05:13:47 PM
Limerick had something like 18 wides!!
No, that was 18 wides up to whatever point Paddy said. 18 wides from both sides... admittely mostly from the Limerick side.
Mulligan's presence was missing today, O'Neill isn't at the races these day's at all for some reason.
Mellon seemed to do well along with Justin McMahon, McCullagh sounded like he was
his usual busy self when introduced.
Gormley's presence is def under rated in that back line when we see what happens as
a result of him coming off, 4 or 5 unanswered points for Limerick.
As for Cavlan, i think its obvious at this stage that Himself and Mr Harte just can't and won't
see eye to eye.
Niall Gormley didn't do himself any harm today in his quest for a place :)
I believe Mulligan was 'disciplined' for not turning up to training. Another poor performance by all accounts. O'Neill should NOT be in the half forward line. He has never performed there and completely negates what he's good at - winning possession, turn and over the bar.
Hughes seemed to redeem himself in the second, was he moved into the middle and Donnelly back a bit?
On the plus side, stops the rot. With Mayo and Kerry to come....
Reckon that puts us, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all on 6 points with 2 games to go.
Beat Kerry and Mayo = Div 1 for sure and poss semi final if Dublin get turned over by either Kerry(H) or Mayo(A)
Lose both and we still may see relegation,
Going by todays game on the radio and the past few weeks - I'm not overly optomistic.
Think the u-21s going out may have a small silver lining in that we can finally see McCarron and Mulgrew back in action.
Wonder what is wrong with SON at present. Free taking has been erratic and don't think he has scored more than 4??? from play in the NFL this year.(could be wrong - don't diligently keep a track of scorers)
Quote from: ONeill on March 25, 2007, 07:49:19 PM
I believe Mulligan was 'disciplined' for not turning up to training. Another poor performance by all accounts. O'Neill should NOT be in the half forward line. He has never performed there and completely negates what he's good at - winning possession, turn and over the bar.
Hughes seemed to redeem himself in the second, was he moved into the middle and Donnelly back a bit?
On the plus side, stops the rot. With Mayo and Kerry to come....
SON hasn't exactly performed well at 14 in quite sometime either O'Neill, I remember a couple of sublime performances
out of him in the HF line in '03, i suppose thats what I'm hanging on to.
Maybe the right corner would be the place for him then with a big lad like Rouse at 14.
I'm not sure i would class him as a great ball winner under the pressure of the dragging and pulling that he 's accustomed to,
in fact i think he has been shown to struggle big time with it in recent times.
So its in that respect i feel he is more suited to running at the posts as opposed to having his back to them.
Dont think we can make the semi finals as we have a very poor scoring average.
Just back from Limerick , after a marathon 4 hour trip , lucky to win the game with Gormley , Ryan Mellon , and Colm mc Cullagh, the only positives, from a terrible performance.
ya was at the game myself, brutal to be honest from limk, Good up as far as midfield, but our forwards were not at the races, not until the last five mins, did we score from play and even with a few points we could have taken something from the game,
Lucky to hold out in the end, and thankful that Limerick were so profligate with their shooting. Non-existent midfield in the first half, little service (if any) to the forwards, Hub made a difference in the 2nd half and is looking better and better in midfield. Joe Mc Mahon did well overall for his first game back, Dermot Carlin and Ricey coped in the corners, Justin Mc Mahon solid enough and improving, Davy Harte his consistent self, Kelvin Hughes not in it, fumbled the ball and gave away too much possession, Brian Dooher gave the ball away too easily too though full of running, Ryan Mellon's best game for a long time, Enda Mc Ginley foraged well , Peter Donnelly erratic and seems to lack the bottle for the battle (standing back allowing the opposition clean jumps), Niall Gormley promising with plenty of speed and shooting accuracy, Colm Mc Cullagh did well when introduced, Stevie still not at the races but his dead ball kicking's getting there, Conor Gormley his usual self until off with injury.
Overall, much improvement needed before next Saturday, and I think Hub must start in the centre.
Quotecompletely negates what he's good at - winning possession, turn and over the bar
I wouldn't disagree with the turn and over the bar, but being good at winning possession? He can run onto a pass alright, but I don't easily remember him out-catching a defender while at FF.
O'Neill is strong on the ball and very good at taking on and beating defenders and that's why I think a more outfield position suits his talents.
Stevie's game (as with many ff now) is not to out-catch a fb as Tyrone don't play to that system. If you watch again the masterclasses he gave in 2005, especially his roasting of Bellew and his performance v Monaghan, it was low balls played into him or just off him. Most of these were the result of a level of telepathy between him and McGuigan and how he misses that now.
O'Neill's strength was gathering such possession and swinging it over within the blink of an eyelid.
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 25, 2007, 08:15:25 PM
SON hasn't exactly performed well at 14 in quite sometime either O'Neill, I remember a couple of sublime performances
out of him in the HF line in '03, i suppose thats what I'm hanging on to.
I don't mean to be rude but I honestly don't know where you're getting this from. O'Neill only played a bit-part in 2003 and his best performance of the lot came in the All-Ireland semi when he came on for Canavan at FF and scored 0-3.
That's a fair point, McGuigan might make the difference there for quality of ball into them.
Its still nice though to have a FF able to win a high ball if the other isn't working, it would leave
us a little less predictable and enable a counter to the ever popular sweeper roll these days.
There's still an awful lot of talk about Rouse in the county based on those McKenna performances. The only reason he hasn't been tried, I'd have thought, was that Mickey's seeing enough in training to warrant his relegation to the bench.
The optimist in me says he's the secret weapon, kept dry for the big guns!!
QuoteThe optimist in me says he's the secret weapon, kept dry for the big guns!!
A cunning Rouse indeed!
He came on a couple of times at 12 and caused no end of trouble and if my
memory serves me in the game you mention, he actually didn't play the conventional
FF as he dragged his marker out to and spent most of his time around the 40.
I will watch it again though.
Also, am i right in saying he has AI medals at minor and u21 at RHF
Not to mention the allstar in 2001.
So to say he has never perfomed well there is questionable to say the least ;)
Bit harsh on Hughes there, Papers give him a much better rating. Good to see a bit of form from Hub, Isnt Limerick the tallest midfield in Ireland. How many natural forwards were out there today for Tyrone? Gonna win very little this year boys.
Quote from: ONeill on March 25, 2007, 11:46:14 PM
Stevie's game (as with many ff now) is not to out-catch a fb as Tyrone don't play to that system. If you watch again the masterclasses he gave in 2005, especially his roasting of Bellew and his performance v Monaghan, it was low balls played into him or just off him. Most of these were the result of a level of telepathy between him and McGuigan and how he misses that now.
O'Neill's strength was gathering such possession and swinging it over within the blink of an eyelid.
I think everybody in the country is finally realising just how important McGuigan is to Tyrone and how ruderless they are as an attacking force withouthim. It is no coincidence that both mugsy and O'Neill have been struggling big time since McGuigan got injured. As O'Neill rightly points out the inside forwards dont have to out-catch their marker when the incoming ball is of sufficient quality. No defender can cope with an intelligently running inside forward and the correct type of incoming ball - as McGuigan, O'Neill and Mugsy have demonstrated many times in the past.
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 26, 2007, 08:34:23 AM
Bit harsh on Hughes there, Papers give him a much better rating. Good to see a bit of form from Hub, Isnt Limerick the tallest midfield in Ireland. How many natural forwards were out there today for Tyrone? Gonna win very little this year boys.
Sorry RRHF, our midfield was non-existent in the first half, Donnelly was equally ineffective in ball winning but didn't fumble or get turned over as much; were it a case of Kelvin Hughes still stepping up to the inter-county mark then great, though he needs to arrive sharpish, though I have my severe doubts. Mc Ginley dropped back and only for that we would have been totally steamrolled. Hub made a difference, sprayed some decent low ball into the forwards, and took a peach of a point himself.
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 26, 2007, 08:59:51 AM
I think everybody in the country is finally realising just how important McGuigan is to Tyrone ...
Speaking of whom, any word on how the operation went Loughshore Lad?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 26, 2007, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 26, 2007, 08:59:51 AM
I think everybody in the country is finally realising just how important McGuigan is to Tyrone ...
Speaking of whom, any word on how the operation went Loughshore Lad?
Operation was last Friday and apparently went well he will be in a protective cast for about 7 days - just as a protective measure.
Paper gives Mc ginley a poor rating??? >:(
Tyrone herald
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 26, 2007, 09:20:26 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 26, 2007, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 26, 2007, 08:59:51 AM
I think everybody in the country is finally realising just how important McGuigan is to Tyrone ...
Speaking of whom, any word on how the operation went Loughshore Lad?
Operation was last Friday and apparently went well he will be in a protective cast for about 7 days - just as a protective measure.
Great, thanks.
Quote from: realredhandfan on March 26, 2007, 09:20:56 AM
Paper gives Mc ginley a poor rating??? >:(
Tyrone herald
He faded in the 2nd half all right RRHF, but scrapped well for the ball for the most part. Don't think his game is ever one of shining, always more of grafting and frustrating the opposition, and as such, he didn't have the worst of games I thought.