A repeat of the 2001 final, as well as the great 46-48 side!
Any thoughts on how good this Farney side are?
Looking at the stats, the 3 Mexican sides have an awful record at minor level - Monaghan have 3 titles, Donegal 4 and Cavan 5. Tyrone and Derry have more than those combined. Even Antrim have 8! Why is this? Is there something to do with school-leaving age or exams?
Should be a great game - Tyrone all through the campaign have been getting by - who are favourites going into this final ?
I'd say Tyrone are hot favourites with Monaghan a big price.
Monaghan havn't won an ulster final since 1945 :o
If the Leinster and Ulster finals go the way they're expected to, there could be another Meath-Tyrone rematch on the way. Anyone know what way the draw works for the minors?
was a bit disappointed with tyrone the last day out. they should not have let cavan back into the game and could well have lost. having said that it seemed like they have a lot more to give. should be a good final
To answer my own question I assume it's because of the competitive MacRory Cup that gives the college counties an edge. In saying that, Dungannon didn't win their first til '91 and Omagh were an inconsistent performer. You'd have thought Down, Armagh and Derry would be the heavyweights.
2/7 Tyrone
3/1 Monaghan
8/1 Draw
Tyrone were hotly fancied like this in their first 2games also and down and cavan both ran them very close....I'd say down probably deserved a draw, but that's where the bit of experience from the like of Niall McKenna (one of the many hogan cup winners on the panel) in midfield who had a stormer shone and they were able to see out the result. Tyrone to win by 6, they'll step it up a notch for this tie!
Will Ronan McNabe be back? What was the outcome of the sending offs for Tyrone the last day out?
Looking forward to this game and I'm hoping that Greencastle's Sean Warnock will get a chance to show the rest of the county what he can do.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Anyone know what way the draw works for the minors?
Quarter Finals are Connacht v Ulster so based on recent years it should mean Mayo and Ros in the Semi finals. ;) to face Kerry and Meath/Offaly.
TYP is quite correct. Monaghan have beaten 2 well fancied teams this year in Derry and Fermanagh.
Fermanagh started 13 out of the 15 starting players who played in the McRory cup final. The 2 who did not start were D Keenan(overage) and M Donnelly(from Trillick and playing for Tyrone). Derry had 5 or 6 members of the team who made the All Ireland final last year.
Seen Monaghan against Fermanagh and they were 5 or 6 points down at half time. They did not panic, were extremely well drilled and seem to have a very good management team. Also brought on a midfielder at half time who turned the game.
Monaghan will give this Tyrone team a game of it. They are used to being underdogs and there would not be too many who would have predicted them contesting an Ulster final this year.
So far Tyrone have not been firing on all cylinders and have found the favourites tag hard to deal with. Tyrone have a huge depth of talent but it seems that the management do not know the best team. Should be a good game and Monaghan look great value at 3-1
I think I read somewhere that the big full foward for Monaghan minors, Aaron McCarey plays international soccer for the Republic of Ireland youth teams. Is he a goalkeeper?
I hear McNabb is likely to be togged out and Pickering is a major doubt for Tyrone.
I'd have to agree with TYP and Noel McGinn, there have definitely some strange team selections to date, but surely the management have learned enough between club championship and the previous minor matches to be pretty close to their strongest team.
There's a big lad from the Scotstown club, Kieran Hughes ( I think ) who is also one of Monaghan's big players - against Fermanagh he came on and won the game virtually on his own. He'll take a bit of watching - I think he plays 11 for them.
Correct Ciaran Hughes plays at number 11 and came on at half-time in the fermanagh match and changed the game, also dictated a lot of the game against Derry with some wonderful scores ! He is from the scotstown club and his brother, Darren Hughes, will be standing in for the suspended Gary McQuaid the day before for the seniors.
Araon McCarey, full forward, also Scotstown, i think i've read is supposed to be heading over to England for trials as a Goalkeeper, not sure with which club !
Also our midfielder im the semi, Mark Connolly, Clones, has already signed a contract for Wolves, he played Centre-Back for Ireland in Turkey in the European Under17 championships earlier this year, will be a big loss to Monaghan Gaa............I have heard word that he played in the semi unknown to Wolves and will not be available for the final...............anyone hear this !?
Ciaran Hughes is a very good footballer. He was injured with a broken hand before the fermanagh game. He only got the cast off, days before the Fermangh game. That is why he did not start the game. When he came on at half time, he changed the game. I first seen him play for St. Macartans in the mcrory. Even though Dungannon (i think it was - some tyrone team anywway) beat macartans that day, hughes stood out as the best player on the pitch.
The full forward mcarey is a soccer goalkeeper. i think he is on the ireland u-17 squad. The lad is good and is still U-16.
What happened Mc Nabb? He would be a big miss for Tyrone...I fancy Monaghan for this one. Think it could be their time. Can't remember the last time they won an Ulster minor final??
Quote from: barney2 on July 16, 2008, 10:16:17 AM
What happened Mc Nabb? He would be a big miss for Tyrone...I fancy Monaghan for this one. Think it could be their time. Can't remember the last time they won an Ulster minor final??
Quote from: donelli on July 15, 2008, 01:54:43 PM
Monaghan havn't won an ulster final since 1945 :o
Mc Nabb has been injured. Hasn't featured in the Championship yet.
1945, for their last minor championship title, 3 titles won ,against 20 by Tyrone.
1 Tim Harney
2 Finbar McQuaid
3 Gavin Teague
4 Ryan Pickering
5 Stephen McRory
6 Peter Harte
7 Ronan Tierney
8 Kyle Coney
9 Niall McKenna
10 Ciaran Girvan
11 Diarmuid McNulty
12 Matthew Donnelly
13 Sean Warnock
14 Patrick McNiece
15 Conor O'Neill
16 Ronan McAnenly
17 Ruari Keenan
18 Kevin Mossey
19 Brian McGarvey
20 Martin Rodgers
21 Sean Murphy
22 Michael Slane
23 Ryan McKenna
24 Brian Kelly
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
I hear McNabb is likely to be togged out and Pickering is a major doubt for Tyrone.
I'd have to agree with TYP and Noel McGinn, there have definitely some strange team selections to date, but surely the management have learned enough between club championship and the previous minor matches to be pretty close to their strongest team.
Looks like I was wrong on both counts. However, if Tyrone line out like as per that selection I'll eat my hat as well as Noel McGinn's and TYP's
Quote from: FarneyMan on July 16, 2008, 09:35:32 AM
Also our midfielder im the semi, Mark Connolly, Clones, has already signed a contract for Wolves, he played Centre-Back for Ireland in Turkey in the European Under17 championships earlier this year, will be a big loss to Monaghan Gaa............I have heard word that he played in the semi unknown to Wolves and will not be available for the final...............anyone hear this !?
Heard this. A massive loss for Monaghan who will surely be up against it now, though anything can happen in Minor football.
What way you think Tyrone will line up then Tyrone86?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 17, 2008, 09:26:39 PM
It's such a nonsense to line out a team with players numbered in positions where they will not play. It's not smart and it's not clever. It's going to fool no one.
If Tyrone86 has got the right line out, it is just the height of nonsense.
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=654 (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=654)
The only change from an hour ago when I posted it is that the clubs are there now. The scary thing is, going on the managements form to date I wouldn't bet against it.
Quote from: Off The Fence on July 17, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: FarneyMan on July 16, 2008, 09:35:32 AM
Also our midfielder im the semi, Mark Connolly, Clones, has already signed a contract for Wolves, he played Centre-Back for Ireland in Turkey in the European Under17 championships earlier this year, will be a big loss to Monaghan Gaa............I have heard word that he played in the semi unknown to Wolves and will not be available for the final...............anyone hear this !?
Heard this. A massive loss for Monaghan who will surely be up against it now, though anything can happen in Minor football.
What way you think Tyrone will line up then Tyrone86?
God knows. I know what way *I'd* line out with the named players, but I'd be more confident picking 6 numbers on Saturday night than guessing what way they'll line out on Sunday
Quote from: D4S on July 15, 2008, 04:07:13 PM
2/7 Tyrone
3/1 Monaghan
8/1 Draw
Tyrone were hotly fancied like this in their first 2games also and down and cavan both ran them very close....I'd say down probably deserved a draw, but that's where the bit of experience from the like of Niall McKenna (one of the many hogan cup winners on the panel) in midfield who had a stormer shone and they were able to see out the result. Tyrone to win by 6, they'll step it up a notch for this tie!
Get on the draw at 8/1!!!
Any word of the proper Tyrone team ?
Pickering has a broken hand and can't play.
Connolly definately wont be starting :(
Take yer points, you have a real issue with the management i see. Why?
If I am correct they won Ulster last year and were beating by the eventual All Ireland champions the year before that. Perhaps the hype of all the underage talent in Tyrone is only a myth!!!!!!!!
Quote from: tieroan on July 18, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
If I am correct they won Ulster last year and were beating by the eventual All Ireland champions the year before that. Perhaps the hype of all the underage talent in Tyrone is only a myth!!!!!!!!
They won an Ulster last year, but it could have been an All-Ireland. And the previous year they where beat by a decent enough Donegal team. If I'm not mistaken it was Roscommon won the All Ireland that year.
I've said it more than once and I'll say it again, man for man this team is more talented than the men of 98, yet on the field they haven't come near to reaching the heights of that side. Still a long time to the 3rd Sunday in September though.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
I've said it more than once and I'll say it again, man for man this team is more talented than the men of 98, yet on the field they haven't come near to reaching the heights of that side. Still a long time to the 3rd Sunday in September though.
Thats a bold statement given who good that team was in 98 and subsequently how many of them went on to perform at under 21 and senior level. To be honest I have not seen enough of this years team to make a detailed comparison but from what I have seen this years team wouldnt be in any where near the same league.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 18, 2008, 02:18:17 PM
Thats a bold statement given who good that team was in 98 and subsequently how many of them went on to perform at under 21 and senior level. To be honest I have not seen enough of this years team to make a detailed comparison but from what I have seen this years team wouldnt be in any where near the same league.
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Perhaps not even the 97 team?
I think theres a certain element of entrepreneurial luck attached to these teams. If Monroe won an AI then hes entitled to move with that team up the ladder to under 21 level. If he achieves at that level well then I think the apprenticeship has been well served and he deserves a chance at top dog with that team. I think that Harte grew after 97 with that team, previous poor seasons went out the window. He developed with the team and came through with his under 21s and then seniors, whatever magic Mickey has with his teams its hard to define, similarly when the chemistry goes it becomes harder to realise what is missing. Tyrone football made a mistake in the 90s by not bringing Danny Ball through until his players were shot, having been beat out the doors of Croke Park twice. Mickey knew it was his era -fought for his chance, got it, justified it twice and now must see his team getting slower and older and relaise that his era may now be waning. Regardless of when Mickey decides he needs to go I have no doubt he will take another Tyrone team infuse them with his magic and take them through to sucess again. The same should happen to any minor or under 21 management that delivers at both levels. If they cant deliver say for example with an under 21 team what they delivered at minor level then they are certainly not fit for an additional step up. Let monroe win or lose this year before we make our decisions but he and his team must deliver.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 18, 2008, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
I've said it more than once and I'll say it again, man for man this team is more talented than the men of 98, yet on the field they haven't come near to reaching the heights of that side. Still a long time to the 3rd Sunday in September though.
Thats a bold statement given who good that team was in 98 and subsequently how many of them went on to perform at under 21 and senior level. To be honest I have not seen enough of this years team to make a detailed comparison but from what I have seen this years team wouldnt be in any where near the same league.
It is, especially as I consider the 98 team as one of the greatest ever.
But like the men of 98 they struggled to get past Down in the first round before kicking into gear. Like the men of 98 they had numerous Hogan and Vocational winners. Like the men of 98, their (original) captain has been injury hit. And also like the men of 98, there are 4 Ardboe panel ;)
Balls, there are only 3 Ardboe men in the panel this year but they rest of the point still stands, talent and potential wise they're as good.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2008, 03:53:36 PM
But like the men of 98 they struggled to get past Down in the first round before kicking into gear. Like the men of 98 they had numerous Hogan and Vocational winners. Like the men of 98, their (original) captain has been injury hit. And also like the men of 98, there are 4 Ardboe panel ;)
Funny just as I was typing that post the thought about McGuigan and McNabb went through my head. The 98 team won the all ireland with their best player in Brian McGuigan starting only 1 game from memory (Down game) and only playing a bit part role the rest of the way through. It will be interesting to see if this years vintage can do the same. By the way there are 3 Ardboe lads on this years panel and not 4!
cant see pickering playing despite being named
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: tieroan on July 18, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
If I am correct they won Ulster last year and were beating by the eventual All Ireland champions the year before that. Perhaps the hype of all the underage talent in Tyrone is only a myth!!!!!!!!
They won an Ulster last year, but it could have been an All-Ireland. And the previous year they where beat by a decent enough Donegal team. If I'm not mistaken it was Roscommon won the All Ireland that year.
Very true Tyrone86, after Connacht Roscommon beat Tipperary, Meath and then Kerry in a replay to win it out in 2006
Ulster Minor Championship Final
Tyrone Minor Team v Monaghan
1. Tim Harney Gleann Eallaigh
2. Finbar McQuaid Eochair
3. Gavin Teague Ard Bó
4. Ryan Pickering An Chorra Chriochach
5. Stephen McRory Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7. Ronan Tierney Aireagal Chiaráin
8. Kyle Coney Ard Bó
9. Niall McKenna Domhnach Mór
10. Ciaran Girvan Doire Lochain
11. Diarmuid McNulty An Goirtin
12. Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13. Sean Warnock An Caisean Glas
14. Patrick McNiece Oilean a'Ghuail
15. Conor O'Neill An Droim Mhór
16. Ronan McAnenly Aireagal Chiaráin
17. Ruari Keenan An Goirtin
18. Kevin Mossey An Goirtin
19. Brian McGarvey An Goirtin
20. Martin Rodgers Bearach
21. Sean Murphy Cabhan a Chaoirtainn
22. Michael Slane An Charraig Mhór
23. Ryan McKenna An Eaglais
24. Brian Kelly An Chorra Chriochach
My cousin, plus Greencastle's Sean Warnock is starting ;D
Well done.
id say that Brian Kelly will come into defence and that Teague wull play CHB
is there anywhere to watch this game on TV???
What time is the minor throw in ?
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I'm taking my camera to the game. I'll see if I can get a few photos posted here tomorrow evening.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2008, 02:18:09 PM
I'm taking my camera to the game. I'll see if I can get a few photos posted here tomorrow evening.
That would be great Ziggy - good thinking.
Will do hardstation :lol:
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
Take a few for the Would You/Wouldn't You thread.
Weemin in the crowd. Not Tyrone minors.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Very good!
Monaghan 0.04 Tyrone 0.06
It wasn't to be, but a respectable result for Monaghan as big underdogs. Next up, Mayo in the Quarter Finals. Anyone know what they're like this year?
Monaghan 0.10 Tyrone 0.13
Well done to the minor management and players on a well deserved win.
It was touch and go at the end whenever Tyrone got a penalty and Kyle Coney opted to go for goal. Surely he should have been instructed to take a point to close out the game and ensure they couldn't get beat as time was up ?.
Poor game. Tyrone always looked in control. But i expected more from this Tyrone team. Then again, to play poorly and win is a sign of a good team
Quote from: FermGael on July 20, 2008, 06:38:41 PM
Poor game. Tyrone always looked in control. But i expected more from this Tyrone team. Then again, to play poorly and win is a sign of a good team
You can't ride your luck forever all the same !
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 20, 2008, 06:54:09 PM
Tyrone were deserving winners but they made it hard for themselves. Monaghan worked hard and tackled hard. Very often Tyrone players dropped the ball coming out of defencea nd let Monaghan back on top of them. Tim Harney made a great save in the second half to keep Monaghan just at bay when the margin was doen to 3 points. Again Tyrone lacked real scoring power up front with some of their best forwards in defence. The management refused to instruct young Coney to hit the ball over the bar for the inexplicable penalty in the last 3 minutes and almost paid the price when the Monaghan goalkeeper saved and passed the ball to put Tyrone under pressure in the last couple of minutes. Kyle Coney was possibly MotM playing well in several positions but Petey Harte was almost as good, carrying the ball with ease when those around fumbled it. Worrying to see Diarmuid McNulty with his armin a sling after the game.
Well done to all involved.
Was he told to go for the goal ?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 20, 2008, 07:09:13 PM
Apparently he was left to make up his own mind on what to do.
Surely he should have been instructed to take a point or is that just too defensive ?
Congratulations to the Tyrone Minors on winning the Ulster Minor Championship this afternoon at Clones. Great to see the conveyor belt is still moving. :)
Knacked this evening, so I'll wait until tomorrow before I post the pictures.
Who do Tyrone meet now and when is it fixed for ?
Was there not 2 in it when the penalty was awarded? Still think a point was the safer option.
Quote from: orangeman on July 20, 2008, 07:23:16 PM
Who do Tyrone meet now and when is it fixed for ?
Might be Roscommon as Monaghan play Mayo.
well done to Tyrone minors on a great victory.
five ulster titles in eight years is not bad - there must be some life left in tyrone yet. ;D
anyone know who they play next and when??
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2008, 07:23:24 PM
Was there not 2 in it when the penalty was awarded? Still think a point was the safer option.
There was 2 in it - I'd have taken a point - I was hoping they'd have told him to take a point - 2 point lead is a bad lead - I thought time was nearly up at that stage.
Roscommon, on August10th.
Where?
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on July 21, 2008, 12:10:44 AM
Roscommon, on August10th.
Most likely a double header with Mayo/Monaghan on Sat 9th.
Hopefully at a neutral Leinster venue but as the GAA always fcuk Ros around it will probably be in Breffni Park.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 20, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
well done to Tyrone minors on a great victory.
five ulster titles in eight years is not bad - there must be some life left in tyrone yet. ;D
anyone know who they play next and when??
Indeed five Ulsters in eight years is highly commendable.
But 6 seniors in 9 years or even(With a bit of luck) 7 in 10 now that really is something!!!!!
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2008, 08:50:31 PM
Do you even own a camera, ziggy?
f**k aye, forgot. Must do it soon, prehaps Thursday. Very busy this week.
How did McCarey play at full forward for Monaghan? Looked good against Fermanagh, but I only saw the second half on Sun and he disappointed me. Hughes at CHF looked the makings of a fine player, as did Coney for Tyrone.
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Well done Ziggy - excellent stuff !
Did ya get none of Gaelic Life man ziggy?
A wee bit further up and to the right on that last one Ziggy and I would have been starring in it. The man in the Tyrone baseball hat wasn't far from me.
Ah Jesus Rois, a missed opportunity there!
TYRONE starlet, Kyle Coney has become the latest promising GAA talent to be snapped up by an AFL club after signing a two-year deal with Sydney Swans.
Coney, an athletic midfielder, starred in the Red Hands Ulster minor success against Monaghan last Sunday week but has already put pen to paper on an international rookie contract with Tadhg Kennelly's club, Swans. The Ardboe clubman will remain with Tyrone's minors, who are preparing for an All-Ireland quarter-final showdown with Roscommon, for the rest of their involvement in the championship and will travel to Australia in November. The 18-year old was also attracting interest from Carlton Blues and Brisbane Lions.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tyrone-starlet-coney-joins-sydney-swans-1442828.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tyrone-starlet-coney-joins-sydney-swans-1442828.html)
It really does seem that the exceptional young players in Ulster will not be playing our games any more.
That give me a pang ??? ???
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 22, 2008, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 20, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
well done to Tyrone minors on a great victory.
five ulster titles in eight years is not bad - there must be some life left in tyrone yet. ;D
anyone know who they play next and when??
Indeed five Ulsters in eight years is highly commendable.
But 6 seniors in 9 years or even(With a bit of luck) 7 in 10 now that really is something!!!!!
But only 1 All-Ireland :o :o
Its sad for Tyrone to lose 2 potential starlets in a year Coney and Mc Ginn however its great to see our sports people getting so well prepared and obviously well rounded that they can succeed at professional sport. Good luck young Coney. To me its a great incentive that lads in the future will achieve in the GAA and gain skills beyond their sport of profession. i dont mind losing out as long as the lads are well a paid and not lost for a paltry £2 -300 per week to Dungannon Swifts or Glentoran. Its tough on the clubs more than the county but Ardboes a plucky wee club - they lost Frank Mc Guigan for most of his career and still had success and I dont think young Coney would be at that level.
Quote from: feetofflames on July 29, 2008, 12:40:59 PM
Its sad for Tyrone to lose 2 potential starlets in a year Coney and Mc Ginn however its great to see our sports people getting so well prepared and obviously well rounded that they can succeed at professional sport. Good luck young Coney. To me its a great incentive that lads in the future will achieve in the GAA and gain skills beyond their sport of profession. i dont mind losing out as long as the lads are well a paid and not lost for a paltry £2 -300 per week to Dungannon Swifts or Glentoran. Its tough on the clubs more than the county but Ardboes a plucky wee club - they lost Frank Mc Guigan for most of his career and still had success and I dont think young Coney would be at that level.
Thanks FOF - Never knew you cared so much ! ;)
Good luck to him if it is true - I haven't heard that he had signed on the dotted line or what the terms and conditions are.
How many more will follow him ? :(