Man Utd Thread:

[bigarsedkeeper]

Things could change more quickly than you'd like to think. As well as Liverpool are run at the minute, Klopp is a major part of why they are as good as they are. When, and it might be a few years yet, things could change very quickly. Liverpool and City have the 2 best managers in the game at the minute and being there long term is a huge positive for them. It will be interesting to see how it goes when they eventually move on. Ferguson was convinced he left a great team for the next manager - didn't work out.

United have to make massive changes in the club and get rid of most of the squad and staff that are there at the minute. Maybe that has started but maybe it's just different people doing the same thing. They are big enough to turn it around quickly but that's not guaranteed under the Glazers.

My hope for next year is a few new players in, a few more out the door and the new manager gets them playing a decent brand of football. Liking the team you support is always nice.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Ten Hag announced - best of luck to him.

[trailer]

Utd need the Glazers out or they need them to mend their ways. If either happens then a return to the top is possible but if they continue to make the same mistakes as they have over this past 10 years then I think it is very difficult for any manager to bring success.

[johnnycool]

Ten Hag announced - best of luck to him.

He ignored Van Gaal when he was told that Utd are a Commercial club and not a football club......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUs8IAp0ng4

[Geoff Tipps]

Twenty Hag wouldn't sort United nevermind Ten 

[Armagh18]

Twenty Hag wouldn't sort United nevermind Ten 

[Milltown Row2]

MR2, I think you wrong on that. A few years prior to Klopp, Brendan Rodgers came very close to title. The yanks where in place and actively planning new stadium or expansion, new training ground was in place and football structure was in place. They'd been moving in the right way and recruitment was good.

The wage structure was managed. Sterling was one player who looked big money to stay, even if he wanted to really and knew it wasn't going to happen. But the lines where drawn and not broken.

Edwards and his team in place. All of this appealed to Klopp. He had power to leave players out as he say fit - Shakho been one. The structure supported this. Their academy was already showing positive signs. They even survived a high change of staff where Gerard left and took 6/7 with him to Rangers.

United seem to have stalled totally on all these fronts and threw good money after bad to fix and plug holes.

Klopp takes lot of credit but shouldn't overlook what he walked into. It was a good fit. If it's to be believed he turned down United before this happened. You don't need to know why. United couldn't offer him a fit that he wanted to work in.

These are the issues that Neville is making post match. They've fallen behind so far off the pitch and a lot been left to rot for years. A few big signings and high wages keep the commercial profit strong.

How long will it the real changes to happen? It's more than a new manager. It's a big part too.

And hoping that other clubs fall as per The Wobbler post. There is little to suggest that other clubs mentioned are going backwards when they spend well and wisely. Liverpoool buying players for the future now, Chelsea with dozens out on loan and City with their funds. No sudden fall from Grace there.

I'm not saying the structures were not in place, I'm saying the Liverpool bar that run with Rogers were mediocre to good in the league (bar the CL win)

Klopp was the missing link, like Fergie was the missing link for Utd all those years ago

[bigarsedkeeper]

Ten Hag announced - best of luck to him.

He ignored Van Gaal when he was told that Utd are a Commercial club and not a football club......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUs8IAp0ng4

Very few of the biggest clubs aren't commercial clubs if we're honest.

It could blow up in his face - as United fans we can only hope that he's got certain guarantees from the club to take the job

[johnnycool]

MR2, I think you wrong on that. A few years prior to Klopp, Brendan Rodgers came very close to title. The yanks where in place and actively planning new stadium or expansion, new training ground was in place and football structure was in place. They'd been moving in the right way and recruitment was good.

The wage structure was managed. Sterling was one player who looked big money to stay, even if he wanted to really and knew it wasn't going to happen. But the lines where drawn and not broken.

Edwards and his team in place. All of this appealed to Klopp. He had power to leave players out as he say fit - Shakho been one. The structure supported this. Their academy was already showing positive signs. They even survived a high change of staff where Gerard left and took 6/7 with him to Rangers.

United seem to have stalled totally on all these fronts and threw good money after bad to fix and plug holes.

Klopp takes lot of credit but shouldn't overlook what he walked into. It was a good fit. If it's to be believed he turned down United before this happened. You don't need to know why. United couldn't offer him a fit that he wanted to work in.

These are the issues that Neville is making post match. They've fallen behind so far off the pitch and a lot been left to rot for years. A few big signings and high wages keep the commercial profit strong.

How long will it the real changes to happen? It's more than a new manager. It's a big part too.

And hoping that other clubs fall as per The Wobbler post. There is little to suggest that other clubs mentioned are going backwards when they spend well and wisely. Liverpoool buying players for the future now, Chelsea with dozens out on loan and City with their funds. No sudden fall from Grace there.

I'm not saying the structures were not in place, I'm saying the Liverpool bar that run with Rogers were mediocre to good in the league (bar the CL win)

Klopp was the missing link, like Fergie was the missing link for Utd all those years ago

The missing link(s) were VVD and Allison as they had glaring weaknesses in both areas in the Rodgers era which with quite hefty transfer fees for both solved the missing link for Liverpool.

Whether those funds were available to Rodgers is another thing, but he did a lot of good at Liverpool.

Man U are more interested in who can sell jerseys in new markets with brand ambassadors and the likes.

[brokencrossbar1]

Call a spade a spade but while Fergie is hanging around the club and while ex players like Neville and Ferdinand are repeatedly making the 'we're back' type comments the club is going nowhere. This will be manager no. 6 since Fergie retired and he and the Glazers have been the constant since. The Glazers are going nowhere. The club need to 'let' Fergie slip into the background completely. It's a constant overarching albatross on every manager and the ex players feed that.

As for the playing staff, too many are on big fat wages and long contracts. They are fat and bloated, like an old Roman Gladiator. The club pay good wages but have bought the wrong players. Realistically De Gea, Rashford if he regains his form, Sancho as he's young and coachable, Fernandes, and maybe 1-2 more are at the required level. You are talking 8-9 players needed, in an ever increasingly competitive market. They are behind LFC, City, Chelsea and if they don't qualify for CL, then possibly Spurs or Arsenal as an attractive proposition. Newcastle will flash their knickers. That's 5-6 teams they are competing against on the PL alone for the top players.  This doesn't count the likes of PSG, the Spanish teams, and Bayern. They will pay over the odds for average players a la Maguire and then this will be used as a stick to beat the average player when their form goes to shit. Seriously when was the last time they bought the best player for a position in the world or even a potential best?  If you say Ronaldo then you are deluded. Yet they've spent net over £600m in 5 years. It's wrong and broken and Ten Hag had a huge job to do. A 3 year contract is hardly a vote of confidence!

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Call a spade a spade but while Fergie is hanging around the club and while ex players like Neville and Ferdinand are repeatedly making the 'we're back' type comments the club is going nowhere. This will be manager no. 6 since Fergie retired and he and the Glazers have been the constant since. The Glazers are going nowhere. The club need to 'let' Fergie slip into the background completely. It's a constant overarching albatross on every manager and the ex players feed that.

As for the playing staff, too many are on big fat wages and long contracts. They are fat and bloated, like an old Roman Gladiator. The club pay good wages but have bought the wrong players. Realistically De Gea, Rashford if he regains his form, Sancho as he's young and coachable, Fernandes, and maybe 1-2 more are at the required level. You are talking 8-9 players needed, in an ever increasingly competitive market. They are behind LFC, City, Chelsea and if they don't qualify for CL, then possibly Spurs or Arsenal as an attractive proposition. Newcastle will flash their knickers. That's 5-6 teams they are competing against on the PL alone for the top players.  This doesn't count the likes of PSG, the Spanish teams, and Bayern. They will pay over the odds for average players a la Maguire and then this will be used as a stick to beat the average player when their form goes to shit. Seriously when was the last time they bought the best player for a position in the world or even a potential best?  If you say Ronaldo then you are deluded. Yet they've spent net over £600m in 5 years. It's wrong and broken and Ten Hag had a huge job to do. A 3 year contract is hardly a vote of confidence!

Some good points in there but Rashford ffs. That is the problem we have, hanging onto guys hoping they will turn it around. Have we leaned nothing from the already mounting list of greedy s*ts that are just counting down their contracts.

[Louther]

Already reports that Ten Hag has had to push United into accepting his own coaching preferences, even if one is Steve McCLaren. Club tried to have him use existing staff instead.

Is it only 3 years? Mother of god, it's a carousel of clowns at the club.

[johnnycool]

Already reports that Ten Hag has had to push United into accepting his own coaching preferences, even if one is Steve McCLaren. Club tried to have him use existing staff instead.

Is it only 3 years? Mother of god, it's a carousel of clowns at the club.

Yip,
because that has gone swimmingly the last few years!!

[Milltown Row2]

Call a spade a spade but while Fergie is hanging around the club and while ex players like Neville and Ferdinand are repeatedly making the 'we're back' type comments the club is going nowhere. This will be manager no. 6 since Fergie retired and he and the Glazers have been the constant since. The Glazers are going nowhere. The club need to 'let' Fergie slip into the background completely. It's a constant overarching albatross on every manager and the ex players feed that.

As for the playing staff, too many are on big fat wages and long contracts. They are fat and bloated, like an old Roman Gladiator. The club pay good wages but have bought the wrong players. Realistically De Gea, Rashford if he regains his form, Sancho as he's young and coachable, Fernandes, and maybe 1-2 more are at the required level. You are talking 8-9 players needed, in an ever increasingly competitive market. They are behind LFC, City, Chelsea and if they don't qualify for CL, then possibly Spurs or Arsenal as an attractive proposition. Newcastle will flash their knickers. That's 5-6 teams they are competing against on the PL alone for the top players.  This doesn't count the likes of PSG, the Spanish teams, and Bayern. They will pay over the odds for average players a la Maguire and then this will be used as a stick to beat the average player when their form goes to shit. Seriously when was the last time they bought the best player for a position in the world or even a potential best?  If you say Ronaldo then you are deluded. Yet they've spent net over £600m in 5 years. It's wrong and broken and Ten Hag had a huge job to do. A 3 year contract is hardly a vote of confidence!

Past players or managers are at these games or on the board of teams, that's been that way.. in fact in October 2013, Dalglish returned to Liverpool as a non-executive director, so its ok for some but not others?

Ex players talking shit is the norm unfortunately and can't be hidden or turned off.. Some valid points by ex players but I feel it feeds into more negativity at the club to be fair.

Utd have a team their, they just need to be coached to play football better, if they can generate confidence this will generate better performances, they'll be 'fitter' and might fight a lot harder. I'll take a team performance over a special one off performance any day of the week

[Cunny Funt]

Already reports that Ten Hag has had to push United into accepting his own coaching preferences, even if one is Steve McCLaren. Club tried to have him use existing staff instead.

Is it only 3 years? Mother of god, it's a carousel of clowns at the club.

The club is ran by carousel of clowns that will make it extremely difficult for any new manager to succeed but i think this was the expected contract and giving a longer term is not worth the paper it's written on (Moyes got five years)

Fergie is hanging around the club and while ex players like Neville and Ferdinand talking nonsense is totally irrelevant. United are where there are because they are one of the worst run "big" clubs in world.  Klopp did his rebuilding of Liverpool into what we see today with shrewd football brains in regards to recruitment and transfers in and out.

Man City have their sugar daddy owners but money will only get you so far,  like Liverpool they got competent people involved behind the scenes to allow Pep to succeed.