Man Utd Thread:

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mouview

Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 04, 2021, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on November 03, 2021, 09:53:40 AM
Its funny how Ronaldo was his biggest problem not that long back


Still is his biggest problem in my book, although Maguire and McTominay aren't good enough either.

Ronaldo is too lazy and selfish to build the team around these days. You could get away with it if the rest of the side was brilliant but central midfield is weak and the defence is a mixed bag.

Christ, how many problems more would OGS have had he not had Ronaldo? Probably saved his CL bacon until the knockout stages at least. The attack is the least of MU's worries. Varane, now injured for a month, is his only world-class defender. Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB are hopelessly overrated while his midfield, with McFred and a time-punching Pogba are bang average. Very easy to dislike CR7 but he's doing properly what he's paid to do.

Hound

Ronaldo is frickin awesome.

Recent evidence would suggest that him alongside Cavani, with Bruno just behind them is their best set-up, with the 3 English lads on the bench (and the French lad out the door!).

It would be interesting to see how a front 3 of Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho would get on (not sure who'd go central), but in big games like City coming up, you'd think they'd be best as benchwarmers (not sure about Sancho, but the other 2 are both class players).

Saffronaldo

I don't rate Rashford at all. My front 3 would probably be Cavani, Greenwood and Sancho, with Ronaldo and Martial coming off the bench.

Can't understand the hatred for Pogba. He is one of the few world class players Utd have. It's not his fault he has to work with crap like McTominay and Fred. He showed for France that he is a brilliant footballer when he has good players around him.

Armagh18

Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 04, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
I don't rate Rashford at all. My front 3 would probably be Cavani, Greenwood and Sancho, with Ronaldo and Martial coming off the bench.

Can't understand the hatred for Pogba. He is one of the few world class players Utd have. It's not his fault he has to work with crap like McTominay and Fred. He showed for France that he is a brilliant footballer when he can be arsed which isn't too often
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Nanderson

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 04, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
I don't rate Rashford at all. My front 3 would probably be Cavani, Greenwood and Sancho, with Ronaldo and Martial coming off the bench.

Can't understand the hatred for Pogba. He is one of the few world class players Utd have. It's not his fault he has to work with crap like McTominay and Fred. He showed for France that he is a brilliant footballer when he can be arsed which isn't too often
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Don't even see the fascination with Pogba playing amazing for France. 56 competitive games with 7 goals and 4 assists is a pretty poor return in a star studded team

BennyCake

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 04, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
I don't rate Rashford at all. My front 3 would probably be Cavani, Greenwood and Sancho, with Ronaldo and Martial coming off the bench.

Can't understand the hatred for Pogba. He is one of the few world class players Utd have. It's not his fault he has to work with crap like McTominay and Fred. He showed for France that he is a brilliant footballer when he can be arsed which isn't too often
Fixed that

Yes , I agree. First game v Leeds he set up 3 or 4 and scored,  and looked like he was finally going to be the player people thought he was capable of. But what else has he done until now? I think even Europe s big teams don't want to touch him as they can clearly see he is a huge liability

J70

Quote from: BennyCake on November 04, 2021, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 04, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
I don't rate Rashford at all. My front 3 would probably be Cavani, Greenwood and Sancho, with Ronaldo and Martial coming off the bench.

Can't understand the hatred for Pogba. He is one of the few world class players Utd have. It's not his fault he has to work with crap like McTominay and Fred. He showed for France that he is a brilliant footballer when he can be arsed which isn't too often
Fixed that

Yes , I agree. First game v Leeds he set up 3 or 4 and scored,  and looked like he was finally going to be the player people thought he was capable of. But what else has he done until now? I think even Europe s big teams don't want to touch him as they can clearly see he is a huge liability

I would say you have to build the team around him to take advantage of his vision and passing ability, but his carelessness in possession, especially with all the top team pressing these days, is a big issue.

nrico2006

Pogba has been at United years now and has had a handful of excellent performances. Just isn't as good as we hoped.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

Saffronaldo

Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
Pogba has been at United years now and has had a handful of excellent performances. Just isn't as good as we hoped.


I would suggest quite the opposite, he's clearly too good to be wasting his time playing with Fred and McTominay.

Capt Pat

After releasing him for nothing and buying him back for 90 million they are going to let Pogba go for nothing in the summer. Who is running that club?

nrico2006

Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 05, 2021, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
Pogba has been at United years now and has had a handful of excellent performances. Just isn't as good as we hoped.


I would suggest quite the opposite, he's clearly too good to be wasting his time playing with Fred and McTominay.

I used to think he was going to be a superstar, but doesn't have all the attributes. If he worked as hard as Fred or McTominay he would have realised his potential.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

Saffronaldo

Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2021, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 05, 2021, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
Pogba has been at United years now and has had a handful of excellent performances. Just isn't as good as we hoped.


I would suggest quite the opposite, he's clearly too good to be wasting his time playing with Fred and McTominay.

I used to think he was going to be a superstar, but doesn't have all the attributes. If he worked as hard as Fred or McTominay he would have realised his potential.


Have to laugh at this nonsense. The man has won League titles, cups, the WORLD CUP! And all sorts of individual honours.  He has nothing to prove to anyone. It's not his fault Utd couldn't buy a half decent midfield to build around him.

Armagh18

Quote from: Saffronaldo on November 05, 2021, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
Pogba has been at United years now and has had a handful of excellent performances. Just isn't as good as we hoped.


I would suggest quite the opposite, he's clearly too good to be wasting his time playing with Fred and McTominay.
If he was as good as you're making out he'd be dragging those lads up with him. Look at his attitude compared to the likes of Bruno or Cavani.

snoopdog

Pogba was never a keane or a Vieira type footballer he needs to have workers around him like he does with france. This utd team has too many individuals and the grafters aren't good enough around them. Fred and mctominay it's all last minute tackles and not losing the ball. I don't think pogba isn't trying that's just his game. Italy prob suits him better as he gets more time on the ball. He just didn't work at utd but I think that's as much a fault of utds transfers and his work rate. There are more problems at utd than just pogba. He will leave in the summer. No one would pay the fee for him as the likes of real barca and juve don't have the cash. But they won't hesitate to take a player of his quality for free.

JoG2

Whatever system you play, especially in the Premier League, I think the days are gone when you can accommodate a couple of luxury players in the team. Ronaldo, phenomenal player who's pushing on in age is producing the goals, Utd's others are not and the better teams like Liverpool and City who aren't carrying these type of players  will exploit this lack of graft