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I am not obsessed with Germany. 

That's debatable.

I read the aim of the GAA quoted and immediately thought of Hitler Youth.  The last time I read/watched anything to do with them was in school about 17 years ago.  A quick google and I found the quote I posted here.  Didn't take much effort. 

Your equation of Germany and the GAA is symptomatic of your disease: Germany's lebensraum extended will beyond any natural cultural, political or heritage boundaries, whereas, whether you like it or not, Ireland does have 32 counties, bounded by the sea, not all of which are currently under a unitary control, which shared a common language, common traditions, common legal system, etc., long before the first of the English arrived at Bannow Bay in 1169.

My equation of Hitler Youth and the GAA is symptomatic of the Uber Nationalist ideals demonstrated by both organisations.  History of 60/70 years ago has taught us many lessons.  You are unlikely to have learned these if you are still harping back to 800 years ago.

But its me that is obsessed.

[So is it or is not political?]

"Since she has no control over all the national
territory, Ireland's claim to nationhood is impaired. Today, the
native games take on a new significance when it is
realised that they have been a part, and still are a part,
of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern
her own affairs."

If this isn't political then I don't know what is.

obv not then

So is it or is not political?

Don't swear an oath to it then, d'oh!

Is your obsession with Germany due to the German British monarch -- Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Winsdor is a totally fictitious surname, chosen purely because it sounds so 'English', and to hide the German origins)?

I won't be swearing an oath.  However, I highlighted a political GAA statement as it had already been stated on this thread that the vast majority of GAA members do not see the GAA as political.  I guess you are in the minority then?

I am not obsessed with Germany.  I read the aim of the GAA quoted and immediately thought of Hitler Youth.  The last time I read/watched anything to do with them was in school about 17 years ago.  A quick google and I found the quote I posted here.  Didn't take much effort. 

I certainly would be surprised if it happened. The reason it was canned all those years ago was because no one gave a crap, and that was in the days when internationals were a relative novelty, with World Cup qualifying campaigns sometimes consisting of a mere six games over a two year cycle. And let's be blunt about this - England would hang like Banquo's ghost over the whole affair. Without the universally reviled Sassenachs, why bother?

The reason why it was canned all those years ago was because England and Scotland thought they were too big for it.  I would reckon most England fans would prefer to be involved in this kind of competition rather than the usual 6 sub friendlies they are subjected to.

"Since she has no control over all the national
territory, Ireland's claim to nationhood is impaired. Today, the
native games take on a new significance when it is
realised that they have been a part, and still are a part,
of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern
her own affairs."

If this isn't political then I don't know what is.

obv not then

So is it or is not political?

[Von Schirach wrote, "I am responsible to the Reich that the entire youth of Germany will be educated physically, morally and spiritually in the spirit of the National Socialist Idea of the State."]

Chris OWC no disrepect, and I mean this in the nicest possible way.
But would you ever just f**k off talking shite 

http://histclo.com/youth/youth/org/nat/hitler/hitlera.htm

Thanks for the welcome guys

Von Schirach wrote, "I am responsible to the Reich that the entire youth of Germany will be educated physically, morally and spiritually in the spirit of the National Socialist Idea of the State."

Change Reich to GAA and Germany to Ireland.

the last thing we need is more nazis in Ireland 

What happens if you change it to Spanish or French?
Hey what about Cornish?

Well I suggested German because that is what came into my head when I first read it.  How about it is changed to British?  Equally menacing, I'm sure you will agree.

"Since she has no control over all the national
territory, Ireland's claim to nationhood is impaired. Today, the
native games take on a new significance when it is
realised that they have been a part, and still are a part,
of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern
her own affairs."

If this isn't political then I don't know what is.

And most importantly the Basic Aim of the GAA, namely
"Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as its
basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a
32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes."

Change Ireland to Germany and Gaelic to German and the above statement appears very menacing and more like the vision for Hitler Youth.

[its the nature of the area]

They will probably take soundings from some of its membershipa s to whether they would feel safe bring their kids there.
I guess that Ormeau's close proximity to lower ravenhill and donegall pass will make them perceive the area as less neutral and safe than others.
Its not purely about catholic / protestant demographics - its the nature of the area, past history, tribal / paramilitary markings, flags , territoriality, etc.
My own perception would be shaped by risk of attack/abuse while walking from the car to the stadium.
That being said, I wouldn't like to be stuck in a traffic jam on Tates Avenue, with my kids wearing Down tops trying to get back onto the M1.
My guess is that most GAA fans would feel safer in some nice middle class 100% unionist area, say Hillsborough, rather than the Ormeau, with lower ravenhill and donegal pass loyalist stronholds close by.

I really do hope you understand.

Just for your own information and a bit of research next time you are in the area of the maze take a wee spin past.  Especially in the summer months and see how 'neutral' this area is.  I would hazard a guess it isn't quite as middle class as Hillsborough either.

[so called]

a) the existence of four so called British Associations (that are after all under one political constitutional entity)

This is neither confrontational nor sectarian and in no way does it contravene the agreement I reached with the OWC Contributor

So no need for the 'so called' I would have thought.