Will anyone inn Fianna Fail shout stop?

[An Gaeilgoir]

Yeah its quite ironic that the only person in Mayo who has any sway with the people in power is Bev. Even when FG win...they still lose out...sums them up really....i notice a lot of money been granted for infrastructure etc. in the county.... oh yeah with 3 FG elected the county has no sway at the top table...will three FGs be elcted next time round...i doubt it!

[Zapatista]

I have accused him of nothing. I make the point that the sort of blatant head in the sand attitude towards corruption in FF by FFers is dangerous. Cowen has been leading the way in defending the indefenceable and could end up taking a very hard tumble if he gets this wrong. He is already on thin ice. Cast your mind back to a little known guy called Mickael McDowell and how his head in the sand, defence of BA, stay in Government position cost him his seat and the leadership of his party. I think they used to be the PDs

You forget Fianna Faill get elected by Fianna Failers therefore corruption does not seem a criteria for the political scrapheap. Put on a good function at the Galway Races, sure thats all that matters.

Well i dont hear the blue shirts getting too vocal about the issue...maybe there is something in their closet that they dont want exposed...although they have destroyed all their records a few years ago... where was Enda this morning for the debate with Martin M. this morning  on Morning Ireland. The blueshirts have as many dodgy dealings through the years, alledgely... its a pity they have never been in power long enough since the foundation of the state to influence anyone.... Rock on Bertie...

Is this the justification FF have.... I, like Son of Sam, weep.

[his holiness nb]

Son of Sam, care to answer the question I asked of you in my response to your question about voting for a party or Independant that may bring FF back to power?

[Son_of_Sam]

Fianna Fail





The Sopranos

[his holiness nb]

Son of Sam, care to answer the question I asked of you in my response to your question about voting for a party or Independant that may bring FF back to power?

Third time of asking Son of Sam. Its a very simple question.


I'm no fan of Bertie, or FF at that, but by avoiding the questions put to you and instead posting pictures like that makes you look quite childish.

[his holiness nb]

Is this the justification FF have.... I, like Son of Sam, weep.

I weep too Zaptista, if this is the justification FF have, and Son of Sams efforts are the justification the main opposition party have, we truly are fucked! 

[Zapatista]

 ::)Answer the question Sam. This question is just going to hold up the thread and we all know how good FF are at holding up proceedings.

It's not as if you are responsible for the way the people vote or how those elected do the deal for Government after you have elected them. The Greens are a perfect example. Answer the question and lets get back to discussing the other many points raised.

[Zapatista]

Fair enough HH but I am willing to debate with you if you or anyone else who wants to. I might not win a debate but I will have a debate.

[An Gaeilgoir]

Regarding the point i made about no senior FG people shouting from the roof tops about what is going on in the tribunal... the 6 o clock news was live from the castle....why oh why wasnt someone from FG there this evening...Berties in a corner and nobody from the main opposition party is any where to be seen or interviewed... is it any wonder that  FF can do what they like...

[Zapatista]

I have accused him of nothing. I make the point that the sort of blatant head in the sand attitude towards corruption in FF by FFers is dangerous. Cowen has been leading the way in defending the indefenceable and could end up taking a very hard tumble if he gets this wrong. He is already on thin ice. Cast your mind back to a little known guy called Mickael McDowell and how his head in the sand, defence of BA, stay in Government position cost him his seat and the leadership of his party. I think they used to be the PDs

You forget Fianna Faill get elected by Fianna Failers therefore corruption does not seem a criteria for the political scrapheap. Put on a good function at the Galway Races, sure thats all that matters.

Well i dont hear the blue shirts getting too vocal about the issue...maybe there is something in their closet that they dont want exposed...although they have destroyed all their records a few years ago... where was Enda this morning for the debate with Martin M. this morning  on Morning Ireland. The blueshirts have as many dodgy dealings through the years, alledgely... its a pity they have never been in power long enough since the foundation of the state to influence anyone.... Rock on Bertie...

The Blue shirts have not had as many alledged dodge dealings.

Are you just pulling mud of your back and slinging it?

[deiseach]

It's interesting the extent to which FF is in thrall to Bertie. Contrary to popular opinion, Bertie Ahern would easily survive in other countries where people like Felipe Gonzalez, Jacques Chirac and Silvio Berlusconi survived being linked with death squads, massive misappropriation of municipal funds and take-yer-pick respectively, to name but the most egregious examples that spring to mind. No one walks away unless they have lost the support of their part. But why Bertie has not lost the support of FFer's is a mystery to me. It's beyond embarrassing, the way he lurches from one c**k-and-bull explanation to the next. It seemed obvious to me post-election that Cowan had a deal with Bertie re the succession, but why he feels bound to the details of that deal, only he knows.

[ludermor]

SOS or SAM how was your holiday? why dont you post in your old name?

[Son_of_Sam]

Quick question HH would you vote for a party or Independent you know will turn around and put the FFMafia back in power?

I'd vote for a party or independent on its individual merits.

Why? Are you suggesting I should vote for FG?

Hey sorry, I went for my tea, then posted the pics and then had to go out to my uncles house (an FFr) I took pleasure of informing him about Larkin & the house story   , he hadn't heard any news today. He has nearly turned blue @ last, like half the FFrs in Mayo.

As a member of FG, Yes I do suggest you vote FG, but you can do what you like with your vote, I just weep that people do not question these so called independents on their intentions, I asked a campaigner of Bev would she vote to put Bertie back in power, the man talked all sort of bull & did not answer my question, so in my opinion if they won't guarantee me they won't back the FFMafia, they won't even get my 8'th or 9'th preference.

[Farrandeelin]

Christ so evereyone who voted FF are a mafia now???

[J70]

It's interesting the extent to which FF is in thrall to Bertie. Contrary to popular opinion, Bertie Ahern would easily survive in other countries where people like Felipe Gonzalez, Jacques Chirac and Silvio Berlusconi survived being linked with death squads, massive misappropriation of municipal funds and take-yer-pick respectively, to name but the most egregious examples that spring to mind. No one walks away unless they have lost the support of their part. But why Bertie has not lost the support of FFer's is a mystery to me. It's beyond embarrassing, the way he lurches from one c**k-and-bull explanation to the next. It seemed obvious to me post-election that Cowan had a deal with Bertie re the succession, but why he feels bound to the details of that deal, only he knows.

Why would the party give a fcuk when the public don't? They've been rubberstamping the behaviour of dirtbags like Ahern for the past decade. The Irish electorate have little use for integrity or ethics.