Official Cavan GAA Thread

[BallyhaiseMan]

AC
even Donal Keogan with Paul Grimley/Julie Davis on board,beat teams like Tipp and Longford well in his first year to get us promotion,
This was diabolical.
We dont have the best players in Ulster or Ireland,
But we have the players to be contesting for promotion in this division,
Losing to a patched up Longford and Tipp(at home!) is unacceptable,
If Carr had any pride, he would walk after that.

[BallyhaiseMan]

RednBlack
Re:Your comment about the fundamentals(picking the ball up)

the likes of Jelly,Mickey Lyng,Cullivan Ronan Flanagan and co have spent as many hours on the training field practising the skills of catching,kicking,shooting,picking the ball up all their lives as the Sean Cavanaghs and Gooch Coopers of this island.
players will make mistakes,falling over the ball when trying to pick it up which happened,Martin Cahill and Johnny Crowe a couple of times today.
my disgust with today was,that Cavan didnt know what to do when they were down,No ideas, when Tipp dropped two men back,Kicking the ball straight to the spare man, or launching it in high when our forwards were outnumbered 5-2.
Tipp just ran the ball on the overlap in wave after wave,they always seemed to have a free man running into space at speed every time.
The Players arent completely blameless,But that team today looked to have no direction,co-ordination or planning,
Tipp were a far better coached team,with an actual game plan of running the ball at speed.

[Onlooker]

That was a very sweet win today for a young Tipperary team that is largely based on the Under 21 teams of 2007 and 2008 that pushed the eventual All Ireland Champions Cork and Kerry all the way in two Munster Finals.  I am not one for gloating but the references to losing to hurling counties I find quite insulting and condescending.  Hurling is the No. 1 sport in Tipperary, but there are a lot of footballers in the county as well and I am proud of the players that pulled off that win today.  This win gives us a chance of keeping our place in Div. 3.  It will be a struggle, but we have a realistic chance of surviving as wins away from home are a major boost in the NFL.  With regard to Tommy Carr it is worth mentioning that he played for Tipperary, before he played for Dublin.  He would have a certain knowledge of some of the Tipp players, but he does not seem to have put that to any great use today.

[BallyhaiseMan]

That was a very sweet win today for a young Tipperary team that is largely based on the Under 21 teams of 2007 and 2008 that pushed the eventual All Ireland Champions Cork and Kerry all the way in two Munster Finals.  I am not one for gloating but the references to losing to hurling counties I find quite insulting and condescending.  Hurling is the No. 1 sport in Tipperary, but there are a lot of footballers in the county as well and I am proud of the players that pulled off that win today.  This win gives us a chance of keeping our place in Div. 3.  It will be a struggle, but we have a realistic chance of surviving as wins away from home are a major boost in the NFL.  With regard to Tommy Carr it is worth mentioning that he played for Tipperary, before he played for Dublin.  He would have a certain knowledge of some of the Tipp players, but he does not seem to have put that to any great use today.

my comments were not meant to be condescending Onlooker,and i apologise if you were insulted by them however you can imagine how we feel,we were expecting to be challenging for promotion,yet we have lost to the two supposedly weakest teams in the division.
You do have some fine players in that team,
Barry Grogan is as good a placekicker as ive seen.
Philip Austin your number 11 was outstanding
as was Number 7 Brian Fox.
we are in freefall,thanks for not gloating and best of luck to Tipp in Football and Hurling for the rest of the year
as for Tommy Carr, i hope he doesnt let the door hit him on the way out 

[Onlooker]

Cheers, Ballyhaiseman.  No hard feelings at all.  I can certainly sympathise with Cavan supporters, having left many League and Championship games in deep despair!.  Things are never as bad as they seem at the final whistle, but I am a loss to understand how Cavan have struggled for so many years.   I know that there is a passion for football in Cavan and they do say that the darkest hour is before the dawn.  With regard to Barry Grogan, I expect he was kicking the frees off the ground and I think there is lot to be said for that method instead of kicking from the hand.  I still can't see Cavan being relegated to Div. 4.

[cavan4ever]

Cheers, Ballyhaiseman.  No hard feelings at all.  I can certainly sympathise with Cavan supporters, having left many League and Championship games in deep despair!.  Things are never as bad as they seem at the final whistle, but I am a loss to understand how Cavan have struggled for so many years.   I know that there is a passion for football in Cavan and they do say that the darkest hour is before the dawn.  With regard to Barry Grogan, I expect he was kicking the frees off the ground and I think there is lot to be said for that method instead of kicking from the hand.  I still can't see Cavan being relegated to Div. 4.

I think your wrong there.

[Drung]

If Carr had any pride, he would walk after that.

Just so we're clear: you think that if Tommy Carr doesn't quit as manager after six weeks of collective training, he has no pride?
Also, the Tipp freetaker was good but by no means that best I have seen. It's not like he kicked 0-10 and was flinging them over from all angles. He scored six or seven frees, all in front of the goals (more or less) and a couple from about 40 to 45 metres.
He dropped a couple short as well, actually.
Well done to Tipp, thoroughly deserved the win, great workrate.

[BallyhaiseMan]

If Carr had any pride, he would walk after that.

Just so we're clear: you think that if Tommy Carr doesn't quit as manager after six weeks of collective training, he has no pride?
Also, the Tipp freetaker was good but by no means that best I have seen. It's not like he kicked 0-10 and was flinging them over from all angles. He scored six or seven frees, all in front of the goals (more or less) and a couple from about 40 to 45 metres.
He dropped a couple short as well, actually.
Well done to Tipp, thoroughly deserved the win, great workrate.

Yes Carr should quit,perhaps it might stop the plunge into division 4 if we could get someone decent in.
6 weeks of collective training? give me a break,Its the same for everyone, Yet the Tipp players were far faster and fitter than us.
He gave strength and conditioning programmes out in November, he should have been able to judge if the players had done it and whether their fitness was up to scratch beforehand.If not they should have been left off the panel.
One example is Pauric Reily, who is clearly off the pace and not fit,Yet was played in both games.
Either Tommy Carr cant judge a player or his training programmes are not worth a shit.

[Lawrence of Knockbride]

Probably best if some of us didn't post right after the game as emotions are running high. I'd agree a little with what everyone says. The basic skills were lacking in places-not being able to pick the ball up etc. although the pitch looked bumpy. But the biggest problem as far as I saw it was all under the broad heading of Attitude.

We came out very relaxed and I would suspect that the players were complacent. If you start a game like that it's very difficult to change the mentality half way through. Tipperary played some nice football in the first half, moving & supporting the ball well in hand passing moves in particular. But what are our lads thinking or being taught?

When a half back goes on the overlap to support a team-mate why must our lads wait until he has the bal in his handsl and is 10 metres ahead before deciding to make the big lung-bursting, crowd pleasing chase back. I remember John Giles saying of Denis Irwin that he rarely makes sliding tackles cos he puts himself in a position so that it's rarely necessary. We had Eddie & Martin Reilly chasing back trying to gain 10 metres on a man when being switched on in the first place would have done the job.

The half foward line wasn't interested in making themselves available as an option all day long and the amount of times our backs had to play the ball across the pitch to retain possession was unbelievable. Of course you got the usual old school brainless fans demanding it be lumped in long to nobody.
There was no gameplan and you could clearly hear Brides telling them not to be putting every ball in high. Was the plan to put the ball in high? Was there a plan?

The Cavan mentality has been there for years. We think we're better than we are. We'll walk over Tipperary is the belief whereas the Tipp belief was ""We can win this game if we work our arses off". And guess who was right?

Having spoken to players that worked with TC, the fear was always that despite his much needed disciplinarian approach, he is a dour manager that won't do much for inspiration. Our lads need both sides of it.

Ridiculous to be calling for him to resign IMO but another sad day to add to the list of the recent years. I took look forward to club action in a fortnight.

[BallyhaiseMan]

The Forward movement has been poor for years,on one occasion in the first half all 3 in the full forward line all dummied one way then  ran into the same area crowding it out.
we used to get away with it, when we had sheer pace in Jayo and Larry in their youth who could take on and beat their markers with sheer speed,but some coaching and set plays must be undertaken,
If you ever watch the Tyrone forwards even in the McKenna cup, they make diagonal runs,interchange and are very hard to pick up.

im going to give the talk about Carr and the Tipp game a rest,like evryone else im in bad form over it.

[whats my name]

i think ballyhaise man your being a bit hard on givney there with the ratings out of 10 if you look at the game he set up 3 points from wining the ball inside he scored a point he won the ball in the early stages that set up eddie for a goal chance i know he wasnt outstanding but sum of the ball that was going into him was cat because hes a big man speed isnt hes strongest point its ball wining ability!!!! balls in high is where he is going to do the damage for cavan and also most of the balls that came near him today he either broke or caught i think he has a big future with cavan and hes only 19 he has plenty of time 2 mature into his role do you agree???

and also did anyone think cavan looked unfit 2day or was it just me?

[Drung]

To say Carr should quit is completely ludicrous.
He has been manager for five competitive matches, two of which we have won! Is five matches enough to fix two years of rubbish from the Keogan era??
If we get in a new manager, what happens if we lose two more league matches? He should go and we can get someone else in???
Let's talk sense here. The search for the quick fix solution is what we've all said is wrong with Cavan, including you BallyhaiseMan. It takes time to build a winning team. That was Keogan's team today, not Carr's.
I will judge him at the end of this season. Defeat, and the manner of it, is a bitter pill to swallow but let's not be hasty.
On Givney, he set up a couple of points and scored one which was almost a goal. He'll make it in time.

[BallyhaiseMan]

i think Givney has terrific football ability whats my name,and has a big future with Cavan
Unfortunaely hes lacking pace,and the support around him is lacking at times, he did score 1 great point,but he got beaten in races he should have won 3 times for the ball and got blown up for overcarrying twice.i do agree that some of the ball going in to him was atrocious.
he mixed the good and the bad today. Hes a young lad and id say with the correct strength and conditioning,he can get faster and stronger,theres no question of the ability. As you can see im a big fan of his.
but the forward unit as a whole needs to be worked on immediately as theres no system of dummy runs,checks,diagonal runs and making space.

[BallyhaiseMan]

To say Carr should quit is completely ludicrous.
He has been manager for five competitive matches, two of which we have won! Is five matches enough to fix two years of rubbish from the Keogan era??
If we get in a new manager, what happens if we lose two more league matches? He should go and we can get someone else in???
Let's talk sense here. The search for the quick fix solution is what we've all said is wrong with Cavan, including you BallyhaiseMan. It takes time to build a winning team. That was Keogan's team today, not Carr's.
I will judge him at the end of this season. Defeat, and the manner of it, is a bitter pill to swallow but let's not be hasty.
On Givney, he set up a couple of points and scored one which was almost a goal. He'll make it in time.

To be honest Drung,Myself and a good few of the board's posters werent thrilled that Tommy Carr was appointed mainly for me because he isnt held in high regard by knowledgeable Dubs ive spoken to or Rossies either.but we gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I wasnt happy with some players being left off the panel(mainly the best full back in Cavan football Eoin Smith of Killygarry)
i believe he has picked too many of the same players that have failed to make the grade under Keoghan,so instead of building a new team,hes just altering slightly the shambles that Keoghan left.
Perhaps you are right,i may be far too hasty in calling for him to quit after 2 games,
but i cant see anything other than relegation to Div 4 after what ive seen so far from him.

[anglocelt39]

Insulting to Tipp & Waterford - Come on they are hurling counties. If the Cavan Hurling Team beat one of their teams the Management would walk out of embarrassment. We are a football county and it is meant to be our number one sport. That performance was shocking and if Tommy Carr cant see that we need a new full back then he should walk. I know we are not in top 15 teams in the country  but a bit of pride please.

Antrim and Waterford are hurling counties as well so, unfortunately, when it comes to ourselves there's a bit of an unfortunate trend forming. We are, indeed, a football county as are leitrim, Longford, Louth etc. Would the world stop revolving if any of those outfits were taken out by Tipp, no. As one sensible poster put it, time to take a few days out folks and revisit things in the cold light of day on Tuesday. Immediate objective is to knuckle down, win three of remaining five games, stay in Div 3 and build from there, not easy but can be done with cool heads.