Laois Senior Hurling Championship

[Verbal]

Nonsense re 4.

Rosenallis, Castletown, Borris Kilcotton, Abbeyleix have been there or thereabouts in games against the big 3 over last few years.

The same poster loves coming on here criticising everything.


Obviously we could be stronger.
But a 4 team championship.
Get a grip.

[Laois man]

Where the f... Would you be going with a 4 team Cship last year Aleix were in the final Ctown took Cbolla to extra time only to be beating by a last second goal Rosenallis have but it up to all top teams at times borris/kcotton when down but it could made them stronger if they go straight back up.

[clonadmad]

Nonsense re 4.

Rosenallis, Castletown, Borris Kilcotton, Abbeyleix have been there or thereabouts in games against the big 3 over last few years.

The same poster loves coming on here criticising everything.


Obviously we could be stronger.
But a 4 team championship.
Get a grip.

None of those teams named would be Senior standard in any of the neighbouring hurling counties

There or thereabouts doesn't cut it

Laois has about 3 senior standard clubs

And a gap to the rest

If the remaining 5 or 7 Teams want to fool themselves that they are senior

Fire ahead

It's actually immaterial whether it's an 8 or 10 team championship because the gap between 6 and 10 is tiny

Lads on whinging about a 10 team championship

Ye are only about 7 months late

Where were ye all when it was being discussed in yere clubs and at county board level ?

[Spiritof1915]

It's unfortunate that there's to be a walkover in senior championship.  Terrible look for any county serious about hurling.

However the current landscape in Laois hurling is evolving.  There's no longer a big 4 as was, in the last 7/8 years.
Ballacolla, Camross and R/E are slightly ahead of the rest but I expect that gap to deteriorate further over the next few years.
Portlaoise are a prime example of a club getting their shit together albeit with 3 key outside transfers. It's amazing the transformation a quality manager brings.
The Harps
B/K
Castletown
Abbeyleix
All these teams will be hugely competitive over the next few years
Rosenallis too on their day and with luck can match any of the above. They have a young enough age profile bar one or 2.
I also reckon ballinakill if they get players back and their freedom to get hurlers from football areas ie shanahan and lynch could be very competitive.
It doesn't matter if any of our teams would be senior in kilkenny or Tipp.
What matters is making our championship the best it can be for the betterment of Laois hurling.

The 10 team structure is worth a trial but as i say one or 2 tweaks could make it even more competitive. 
As regards the lower tiers I don't think it will make it any less competitive.  Theirs always one or two standouts in premier intermediate and it's been a poor championship over the years.
The likes of trumera or slieve bloom coming up would be very competitive without a B/K or ballinakill in PI.

[Verbal]

It's the Laois Senior Hurling Championship.
Not the Neighbouring Counties Senior Hurling Championship.

Suggesting reducing it to a 3 or 4 team championship reduces it to the level of the Kilkenny Football Championship.
Sure why not play it over a bank holiday weekend.

We'd all love to have 8 teams of equal standard.
The reality in almost all counties is that you have a number of teams with a realistic chance and a number of teams who don't.

Same thing applies in a World Cup, Olympics, Champions League.
Nobody suggests a competition should be reduced to the number of teams who are expected to be able to run it.
A really disturbing view actually.

[Verbal]

Lads on whinging about a 10 team championship

Ye are only about 7 months late

Where were ye all when it was being discussed in yere clubs and at county board level ?

Many on here outlined reasons against in advance of the vote.
It's called a discussion.

[clonadmad]

Lads on whinging about a 10 team championship

Ye are only about 7 months late

Where were ye all when it was being discussed in yere clubs and at county board level ?

Many on here outlined reasons against in advance of the vote.
It's called a discussion.

A discussion taking place long after the decision has been made

[clonadmad]

It's the Laois Senior Hurling Championship.
Not the Neighbouring Counties Senior Hurling Championship.

Suggesting reducing it to a 3 or 4 team championship reduces it to the level of the Kilkenny Football Championship.
Sure why not play it over a bank holiday weekend.

We'd all love to have 8 teams of equal standard.
The reality in almost all counties is that you have a number of teams with a realistic chance and a number of teams who don't.

Same thing applies in a World Cup, Olympics, Champions League.
Nobody suggests a competition should be reduced to the number of teams who are expected to be able to run it.
A really disturbing view actually.

At the risk of repeating myself

It's immaterial whether it's a 8 or 10 team championship as there's little difference between clubs ranked 6-10 in terms of quality

[Downtheroad]

The vote last year if I recall correctly was tight decided principally by a few football only clubs who were probably lobbied by one or two hurling clubs who were actively pushing it. Usually football clubs would abstain if they had no skin in the game. That's democracy. It's done and dusted for the next few years but it doesn't mean it was the right decision. Funny enough, I think it will level out the Premier Intermediate division but could well lead to the likes of Camross and Rathdownwy/Errill winning it. I expect B/K to win Premier Intermediate but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that a second team could get to the final.     

[Verbal]

Agreed- that will be a consequence.
Bloated SHC will allow the top clubs to mind their first 17 for longer.

As well as weakening their competition by taking two of the stronger clubs out of the PIHC.

Have they decided what happens to the 5 teams after the group?

I presume it's
1- SF
2- QF
3- QF
4- Year over
5- Relegation Playoff

Or is 4 also in relegation danger?

[Laois man]

There should be no senior B years ago you had senior intermediate junior A junior B and C.

[Verbal]

There should be no senior B years ago you had senior intermediate junior A junior B and C.

Out of curiosity how many would you have in each grade?

I'd have
Senior- 8
Intermediate- 8
Junior A- 8
Junior B- The rest

1 team up & 1 team down.

[clonadmad]

Agreed- that will be a consequence.
Bloated SHC will allow the top clubs to mind their first 17 for longer.

As well as weakening their competition by taking two of the stronger clubs out of the PIHC.

Have they decided what happens to the 5 teams after the group?

I presume it's
1- SF
2- QF
3- QF
4- Year over
5- Relegation Playoff

Or is 4 also in relegation danger?

For a lad that thinks he knows everything

I'm surprised you don't know how the 2025 SHC will work

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The championship will be played on a round robin league basis, with teams criss-crossing and playing a team in the opposite Group in each round.

So while you are playing teams from the opposite group, your points total is up against the teams in your group and each team will have five matches.

The top team in each group will go to the semi final while the second and third teams will face off in a quarter final.

The fourth-placed team will be out while the bottom side in each group will play the relegation final.

[clonadmad]

The vote last year if I recall correctly was tight decided principally by a few football only clubs who were probably lobbied by one or two hurling clubs who were actively pushing it. Usually football clubs would abstain if they had no skin in the game. That's democracy. It's done and dusted for the next few years but it doesn't mean it was the right decision. Funny enough, I think it will level out the Premier Intermediate division but could well lead to the likes of Camross and Rathdownwy/Errill winning it. I expect B/K to win Premier Intermediate but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that a second team could get to the final.     

Clubs were first asked to vote on whether or not to retain the current eight-team system and that was narrowly defeated.

They were then asked to choose between 10 and 12 teams with the 10 team format

unanimously

wining out.

[Verbal]

Tiresome.

If you wanted to do a bit of research.
As was discussed here last November.

Co Board review group allowed a 12 team proposal go to the clubs (knowing it wouldn't pass) in the hope that it would mean 8 won out.

Clubs then lobbied to get 10 on the table.

Impressive maneuvering from the clubs involved. But not the correct outcome for the overall good.

And btw- what I said I presumed in terms of group finishing places is actually correct?
God, I was very far out wasn't I!

An awful ghoul to be dealing with.