Man Utd Thread:

[AZOffaly]

But he wasn't the only one, or even the worst one. The were sneering every united pass, howling for Fellani to be sent off, basically making every united attack sound pathetic and slow, while praising what sounded like very similar city attacks for their control and passing.

Did you want them to lie? Sounds about right to me!

Yeah they were just calling it as it was.

Don't think so lads. They were glorying in it. It was very sneery as opposed to analytical.

[The Worker]

Some utd fans here need to get real. That performance tonight was shocking and things will only improve once Moyes leaves the club.

[EC Unique]

Most Utd fans will admit that enough is enough and sadly it has not worked out for Moyes.

I fear the reality is that he will get at least to the end of this calendar year and probably all of next season year to prove himself.

It will be interesting to see who he buys in the summer. Getting great players is one thing but using them properly is another. See Mata as an example.

[Captain Obvious]

It will take Manchester United many years to recover from this David Moyes appointment. Are the board seriously going to keep him on and allow him to spend more money in the summer?

[GalwayBayBoy]

Usually doesn't end well for the manager when the fans turn.

[Shrewdness]

Some utd fans here need to get real. That performance tonight was shocking and things will only improve once Moyes leaves the club.... At last someone talking sense. Huge rebuilding job needed, but Moyes is not the man to do it. He has never won anything as a manager and now we can see why. The deterioration at United has been so rapid, so his time is up. He can bring Fellaini with him.

[under the bar]

How about bringing this guy back?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2003603-bebe-scores-wonder-goal-after-backheel-flick-to-set-himself-up?

[yellowcard]

I'm not a Man Utd fan but their fans need to get real. Blaming everything on Moyes is grossly unfair considering some of the deadwood he was left behind by Ferguson. At best there are about 6 or 7 players in that squad worth keeping the rest are either too old, want out or are simply not good enough.

However Moyes has to take some responsibility for signing Fellaini and Mata for way more than their market value. Mata is a decent player but couldn't get on the Chelsea team nor make the most recent Spanish squad. That tells you something. Fellaini is not nor will never be good enough for Man Utd. As for Rooneys £300k per week contract, that will cause major problems down the line.

[BennyCake]

Stewards had to guard the Chosen One banner from being ripped down, and abuse hurled at Fergie too. Fans have had enough.

[dec]

I'm not a Man Utd fan but their fans need to get real. Blaming everything on Moyes is grossly unfair considering some of the deadwood he was left behind by Ferguson. At best there are about 6 or 7 players in that squad worth keeping the rest are either too old, want out or are simply not good enough.

However Moyes has to take some responsibility for signing Fellaini and Mata for way more than their market value. Mata is a decent player but couldn't get on the Chelsea team nor make the most recent Spanish squad. That tells you something. Fellaini is not nor will never be good enough for Man Utd. As for Rooneys £300k per week contract, that will cause major problems down the line.

So what are the major differences between the squad that Ferguson won the league by 11 points with last year and the squad that is currently 18 points out of first place?

[seafoid]

Carrick is a poor man's Michael Carrick.
Bayern matches could be bibical.

Gory Gory Man Utd


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/26/sir-alex-ferguson-abused-fans-appointing-david-moyes

"With Moyes also receiving verbal abuse from supporters and stewards being asked to guard "The Chosen One" banner that hangs at the stadium's Stretford End after the 167th Manchester derby, the ire shown towards Ferguson, who is a club director, will cause serious questions at boardroom level."

The manager gets all the flak but the Glazers are the ones the fans
should be screaming at

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f33253f0-79f5-11e3-a3e6-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2x2zUbMKt

Moyes has a modest reputation, having never managed a giant club or won a trophy, but the club's problems go deeper. Sir Alex also bears some blame. But the chief culprits for United's slide are probably the Glazers themselves. Almost uniquely in football, they run their club as a profit-seeking business. With Sir Alex gone, the family's pursuit of profits is now likely to impede United's pursuit of trophies. Private equity-style management has squeezed investment in the UK's most famous sports club.
The Glazers represent a new kind of football club owner to have emerged in recent years: the profit-driven investor, usually American. There are now six US majority owners of Premier League clubs, including John Henry at Liverpool and Stan Kroenke at Arsenal. They seek to earn money from their clubs rather than winning at all costs. That makes them different from the "sugar daddies" – the sheikhs and oligarchs who treat their clubs as playthings and throw money at them. A conflict between the two kinds of owner now looms.

Man Utd is like football purgatory now. Nobody is going to buy the club from the Glazers because the price is too high. All fans can do is buy a few jerseys and hope the Glazers divert some of the money to buying players.

[yellowcard]

I'm not a Man Utd fan but their fans need to get real. Blaming everything on Moyes is grossly unfair considering some of the deadwood he was left behind by Ferguson. At best there are about 6 or 7 players in that squad worth keeping the rest are either too old, want out or are simply not good enough.

However Moyes has to take some responsibility for signing Fellaini and Mata for way more than their market value. Mata is a decent player but couldn't get on the Chelsea team nor make the most recent Spanish squad. That tells you something. Fellaini is not nor will never be good enough for Man Utd. As for Rooneys £300k per week contract, that will cause major problems down the line.

So what are the major differences between the squad that Ferguson won the league by 11 points with last year and the squad that is currently 18 points out of first place?

Some players have downed tools for whatever reason since Ferguson left.. Three quarters of their first choice back 4 are past it while the other Raphael, is a poor right back. It's common knowledge that their midfield has been muck for a good few years, Paul Scholes had to be brought out of retirement to hide deficiencies in this area a few years back whilst Giigs is now only fit for monthly appearances.

Rooney has been decent this season and Van Persie is quality but looks to be one of those who wants out. The club has disintegrated into a mess and Ferguson should be held more accountable than Moyes imo. It was his decision to appoint Moyes and if it's thought that Moyes isn't up to the job then questions need to be asked of the man who appointed him. I have a lot of sympathy for Moyes who I believe was given an impossible task, yet who would have turned down the job and a lucrative 6 year contract. However a new manager will have the exact same problems so I don't think changing horse now will solve all ills. They need to give him a summer to get his own players and judge him at the end of next season. If he can manage to get them back into th CL by the end of next season he will have done a very good job imo.

[seafoid]

Stewards had to guard the Chosen One banner from being ripped down, and abuse hurled at Fergie too. Fans have had enough.

The poor craythurs. They expect to win something every year. God love them.

[yellowcard]

Stewards had to guard the Chosen One banner from being ripped down, and abuse hurled at Fergie too. Fans have had enough.

The poor craythurs. They expect to win something every year. God love them.

That's the thing. A whole generation of fans have been fed a diet of success and glory and need to re adjust their expectations. The reason a lot of them would have chosen to support Man Utd in the first instance will have been because of this. I have no real sympathy for these type of fans but it's hard to watch Moyes suffer and take the brunt of it.

[seafoid]

Stewards had to guard the Chosen One banner from being ripped down, and abuse hurled at Fergie too. Fans have had enough.

The poor craythurs. They expect to win something every year. God love them.

That's the thing. A whole generation of fans have been fed a diet of success and glory and need to re adjust their expectations. The reason a lot of them would have chosen to support Man Utd in the first instance will have been because of this. I have no real sympathy for these type of fans but it's hard to watch Moyes suffer and take the brunt of it.

This thing of attaching yourself to success couldn't go on forever anyway. Imagine if it that was possible in GAA. Winning would be no fun.

Moyes was smart. He got a 6 year contract so if they buy him out he'll be fine. He can always get another job managing a team like Villa or WBA. Dunphy says football belongs to the fans but it doesn't any more.

The whole thing reminds me of Meath in the last days of the Boylan administration. The fans were screaming for Eamonn but it didn't make any difference.  Decline is hard to take.