Dup will never allow Irish language act

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

[thewobbler]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

What's the bigger picture?

personally I find it extremely frustrating that the communication costs of local governments - every minute, publication, signpost, announcement - are more than double what they would be if English only, yet there is not a single person on this earth who understands the Irish version who also wouldn't understand the English.



I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

[seafoid]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

What's the bigger picture?

personally I find it extremely frustrating that the communication costs of local governments - every minute, publication, signpost, announcement - are more than double what they would be if English only, yet there is not a single person on this earth who understands the Irish version who also wouldn't understand the English.



I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

Public sector efficiency is a psychological/cultural  issue.On a par with draining the Shandon.
Belgium and Switz have public info in various languages. Most Romansch speakers understand German. for example Having stuff in Romansch is about respect.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

What's the bigger picture?

personally I find it extremely frustrating that the communication costs of local governments - every minute, publication, signpost, announcement - are more than double what they would be if English only, yet there is not a single person on this earth who understands the Irish version who also wouldn't understand the English.



I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

Come on now dont be falling for Nelson McCauslands lies over costs. A lot of the expense is already there you just replace things as and when needed. Yes extra staff for translations would need to be emplyed but its a drop in the ocean compared to the money literally being burnt up in the RHI scandal and I would say its a small price to pay to try and revitalise the language in Northern Ireland

The bigger picture is the not an inch mentality as it is deemed to be a taigy act then its of course a never from the DUP. Here is the reality an Irish language act brings us into line with THE REST OF THE UK not Ireland. Dont the DUP want us to be an integral part of the UK? Answer No, they want Northern Ireland to be super British because even Britain is not British enough. The other key point is it was part of an agreement that the overwhelming majority of people in Northern Ireland supported in the 1998 referendum.  Funnily enough the 2 fingers to prods is crazy if only they actually opened their eyes and looked across the water they would see that Scots Gaelic a branch of Irish is spoken in the islands and highlands by some of the most protestant people in the world.

To not try and push it cause it might upset some bigots is daft and would leave us where we where 60 years ago the fact that nationalist have tried to make things work and tried not to rock the boat for the last 10 years has got us to the crisis we now find ourselves at. If they had a backbone then we could all have got to this conclusion many years ago

[armaghniac]

I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

While public cost certainly an issue, public policy in this regard should not be used as an instrument of cultural extermination on the basis of cost. If cost minimisation was used in all matters of public policy then that would be one thing, but then you could say that the government should just fund soccer pitches, and not rugby or GAA pitches as everyone can play soccer and the pitch is simpler and cheaper to provide. Or they should not provide cycle lanes as cyclists can just go on the road or walk and so on. 

[6th sam]

I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

While public cost certainly an issue, public policy in this regard should not be used as an instrument of cultural extermination on the basis of cost. If cost minimisation was used in all matters of public policy then that would be one thing, but then you could say that the government should just fund soccer pitches, and not rugby or GAA pitches as everyone can play soccer and the pitch is simpler and cheaper to provide. Or they should not provide cycle lanes as cyclists can just go on the road or walk and so on.

1. Cultural protection is practiced throughout the world , and  much like legislation to protect listed buildings, it's considered by most to be worthwhile , as long as that cultural expression is positive. Few  would argue that the protection and promotion of native languages is a positive,and that principle is respected in Wales and Scotland,for example.
2. To wheel out an old cliché : spare us from a society that recognises  the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
3. What is the actual cost? If a few ££££ of public money is invested in providing employment (for translators) then that is not a waste of money compared to several other public costs .
4. This current spat has actual very little to do with the Irish language per se. Regardless of anyone's political persuasion and respect for Stormont etc, we pay our taxes , and fully expect the first minister and deputy first minister to represent ALL of the people within the jurisdiction. Arlene and her supporters actually don't value or respect a large section of the population, and our culture and aspirations .
5. Sadly she knows that her best chance of getting re-elected is , not to adopt a statesmanlike stance and do what's best for the whole population in the North, but actually to pander to the extremists who are much easier to get to the polling stations!
6.The DUP has proved to be at best a "dog in the manger" by playing the sectarian card to get re-elected, and then consistently preventing progress on real  political issues: "health, education, jobs, equality )
7. However the DUP are only part of the problem, those who actually don't get out and vote( And vote tactically to minimise DUP seats) are equally responsible , especially those who espouse the lazy and immature political analysis such as "it's the same on both sides " .
It's about time we grew up politically and make a concerted effort to get these DUP dinosaurs out of power, and importantly show what can be achieved if their replacements show respect for all and we get to focus on real issues !

[michaelg]

I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

While public cost certainly an issue, public policy in this regard should not be used as an instrument of cultural extermination on the basis of cost. If cost minimisation was used in all matters of public policy then that would be one thing, but then you could say that the government should just fund soccer pitches, and not rugby or GAA pitches as everyone can play soccer and the pitch is simpler and cheaper to provide. Or they should not provide cycle lanes as cyclists can just go on the road or walk and so on.

There is no cultural extermination.  If you want to you can send your kids to Irish schools, can attend Irish classes, listen to local radio programmes, watch local tv programmes etc.

[omaghjoe]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

What's the bigger picture?

personally I find it extremely frustrating that the communication costs of local governments - every minute, publication, signpost, announcement - are more than double what they would be if English only, yet there is not a single person on this earth who understands the Irish version who also wouldn't understand the English.



I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

See all those men and women in prison...wouldn't it be far cheaper just to shoot them??

TBF Getting them all on exercise bikes hooked up to the Grid would probably be better...no more need for those unsightly turbines defacing Tyrone.

[omaghjoe]

I think no wides might be finding his niche now as chief dissenter, its a valuable role for thrashing out arguments.

[Avondhu star]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Take a stroll along the Falls road sometime. You will see far more Man Utd Liverpool and Celtic jerseys than Antrim GAA jerseys. Thats your answer.

[red hander]

Why not just refuse to recognise the statelet and end that farce up on the hill once and for all. Demand joint authority and if the brits refuse then direct rule it is. In a post brexit scenario the likelihood is that Scotland, who unionists claim most allegiance to, will vote to leave the union. The little Englanders who pushed for brexit don't give a flying fiddlers for the red, white and blue bigots over here, and if it's emphasised how much this failed statelet is costing them they'll grow even more fucked off about it. Labour will be decimated in any election under corbyn, thus the tories won't need the dup votes. With no sway in Westminster and no assembly, they're fucked IMO

[stew]

Why not just refuse to recognise the statelet and end that farce up on the hill once and for all. Demand joint authority and if the brits refuse then direct rule it is. In a post brexit scenario the likelihood is that Scotland, who unionists claim most allegiance to, will vote to leave the union. The little Englanders who pushed for brexit don't give a flying fiddlers for the red, white and blue bigots over here, and if it's emphasised how much this failed statelet is costing them they'll grow even more fucked off about it. Labour will be decimated in any election under corbyn, thus the tories won't need the dup votes. With no sway in Westminster and no assembly, they're fucked IMO

In order to let foreigners into the policing body of the republic the Dail decided to drop the requirement of knowing the Irish language, of I was that fat pig Arlene I would mask my hatred of the Irish behind the fact not one shinner raised an eyebrow when this came up for debate, so why would this issue be an issue?

[Orior]

Those posting their disgust here, can you all speak Irish, do your kids attend naiscoil, bhunscoil, meánscoil - or do you just want this act to give two fingers to the prods?

Hilarious I mean those feckers at burntollet were just asking for it how dare they. If you cant see the bigger picture then I give up.

What's the bigger picture?

personally I find it extremely frustrating that the communication costs of local governments - every minute, publication, signpost, announcement - are more than double what they would be if English only, yet there is not a single person on this earth who understands the Irish version who also wouldn't understand the English.

I'm all for a bit of culture. I'm all for Gaeiligors having the opportunity to further their language. But to be honest I'd place a higher value on public sector efficiency. An unnecessary  duplication of public costs is shameful imho, regardless of your beliefs.

There are Government departments for health, jobs and education. Culture gets a fraction of the budget, and from that they have to develop sport, arts, culture, leisure etc. Language is a fraction of a fraction.

The language needs formal protection to stop the DUP deleting it. We do not need to converse in Irish to appreciate it. Everyone should know and understand where our names and placenames come from.

[thewobbler]

Orior I know dozens of people who can string together Amhrán na bhFiann in pigeon Irish if challenged, yet they don't know the words in English. So basically they've no idea what the song is about.

My lesson from this is that more people than you might imagine don't give a fiddler's f**k about why things are called what they are.

Certainly it has never bothered me why Hill Street in Newry is flat: I just need to know what shops are on it.

The Irish Language movement has unfortunately gained some of the same fascist / zealot undertones that the poppy campaign has unfortunately endured. For the diehards, general awareness is not enough, and they will campaign, dump and force their wares on everyone until it becomes a tribal statement to step aside.

I'm guessing that the DUP's more moderate types are wary of this, while the hardliners would always say no anyway - because that's their thing. Either way, the Irishman Language movement will make greater advances into NI culture (I believe) if they target people who want to learn it, and allow it to spread organically, rather than force everyone to join in.

[Orior]

Sure nobody knows yet what the Irish Language Act will contain. So why dismiss it at this stage?