Proposed Papal Visit to Ireland.Will it

[Esmarelda]

I'd say all the women that have had abortions will be flocking out to thank him for allowing priests to forgive them for their sins. Must be a weight of their shoulders.

I don't mind if he come any more than any other  head of state. Once he brings his own security at his own cost.

Do you wish to discriminate against one particular head of state?

I don't see him as a head of state. Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting? I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

[seafoid]

Proposed Papal Visit to Ireland.Will it
arrest at least,if not reverse,the lamentable anti Catholicism and general spread of atheism in the free state?

No, I'd be pretty confident that the continuing positive re-alignment of the nation's moral compass resulting from the overthrow of the Catholic church's repugnant influence will survive his brief presence. After all, the Director-General of the BBC, the organisation that protected and facilitated Jimmy Savile, was here loads of times and there was no perceptible deleterious effect on public morality in this country as a result.

Savile got Papal and royal knighthoods. Makes you wonder how much those two outfits knew of his antics too.

The Church has a very relaxed attitude to abuse if it maintains discipline or brings in Money
It's a business

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KJccuWrBU

[seafoid]

Proposed Papal Visit to Ireland.Will it
arrest at least,if not reverse,the lamentable anti Catholicism and general spread of atheism in the free state?

No, I'd be pretty confident that the continuing positive re-alignment of the nation's moral compass resulting from the overthrow of the Catholic church's repugnant influence will survive his brief presence. After all, the Director-General of the BBC, the organisation that protected and facilitated Jimmy Savile, was here loads of times and there was no perceptible deleterious effect on public morality in this country as a result.

Savile got Papal and royal knighthoods. Makes you wonder how much those two outfits knew of his antics too.

Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile

[johnneycool]

Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting?

There's a lad with a load of Garth Brooks stetsons he's going to put a bit of white and yellow wool around and sell for a load of €uro's, not to mention the holy candles, mass cards, tacky plates and so forth. Don't underestimate the entrepreneurial abilities of Paddy to make a bit of coin on the back of this visit.


If Frankie brings a load of archived documents from the Holy see's vaults and gave them to the Guards (not that they'd do a whole pile with them!) then he'd be doing the Catholic Church in Ireland a huge favour in relation to resolving a lot of the open sores relating the child abuse scandal aided and abetted by Rome.

[BennyCake]

Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting?

There's a lad with a load of Garth Brooks stetsons he's going to put a bit of white and yellow wool around and sell for a load of €uro's, not to mention the holy candles, mass cards, tacky plates and so forth. Don't underestimate the entrepreneurial abilities of Paddy to make a bit of coin on the back of this visit.


If Frankie brings a load of archived documents from the Holy see's vaults and gave them to the Guards (not that they'd do a whole pile with them!) then he'd be doing the Catholic Church in Ireland a huge favour in relation to resolving a lot of the open sores relating the child abuse scandal aided and abetted by Rome.

There's more chance of the queen bringing archived documents of evidence of what her soldiers/security forces/government got up to during the Troubles. That too would resolve some of the open sores for many people. Ain't gonna happen though.

[Esmarelda]

Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting?

There's a lad with a load of Garth Brooks stetsons he's going to put a bit of white and yellow wool around and sell for a load of €uro's, not to mention the holy candles, mass cards, tacky plates and so forth. Don't underestimate the entrepreneurial abilities of Paddy to make a bit of coin on the back of this visit.


If Frankie brings a load of archived documents from the Holy see's vaults and gave them to the Guards (not that they'd do a whole pile with them!) then he'd be doing the Catholic Church in Ireland a huge favour in relation to resolving a lot of the open sores relating the child abuse scandal aided and abetted by Rome.

Your first point, although in jest, is a good enough reason to let him in for me. Once those merchants are paying their taxes at whatever decimal it is these days.

Unfortunately, your second paragraph ain't going to happen.

[omaghjoe]

I'd say all the women that have had abortions will be flocking out to thank him for allowing priests to forgive them for their sins. Must be a weight of their shoulders.

I don't mind if he come any more than any other  head of state. Once he brings his own security at his own cost.

Do you wish to discriminate against one particular head of state?

I don't see him as a head of state. Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting? I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Well he is recognised as such by the state he is visiting (and a good few others), just as the Irish President is recognised by the state he represents, its a basic fundamental of international diplomacy.

Would his predecessor be more acceptable to you for the funding a state visit? Or is there a particular reason that you dont see him as head of the Holy See?

[armaghniac]

I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Did God tell you this personally or was it in a tweet?

[OgraAnDun]

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fundamentalist-catholics-are-turning-people-off-church-in-ireland-1.2885273?__vfz=c_pages%3D11000002670848

A pretty clear rejection of the sort of religion that Tony likes to preach.

[Rossfan]

arrest at least,if not reverse,the lamentable anti Catholicism and general spread of atheism in the free state?

Bit late as the Free State hasn't existed since 1937/38

[seafoid]

arrest at least,if not reverse,the lamentable anti Catholicism and general spread of atheism in the free state?

Bit late as the Free State hasn't existed since 1937/38

I think Northern Irelnd is now in 1703 or something so 1937 hasn't happened yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34

[Esmarelda]

I'd say all the women that have had abortions will be flocking out to thank him for allowing priests to forgive them for their sins. Must be a weight of their shoulders.

I don't mind if he come any more than any other  head of state. Once he brings his own security at his own cost.

Do you wish to discriminate against one particular head of state?

I don't see him as a head of state. Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting? I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Well he is recognised as such by the state he is visiting (and a good few others), just as the Irish President is recognised by the state he represents, its a basic fundamental of international diplomacy.

Would his predecessor be more acceptable to you for the funding a state visit? Or is there a particular reason that you dont see him as head of the Holy See?

I'm sure it is. When Michael D heads off to such states, or when we welcome in other Heads of State, it is generally to mutually benefit the relevant states and its people. The Vatican City is a state in name only. Few of the basic fundamental characteristics of a state apply to it. Which pope it is is irrelevant.

I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Did God tell you this personally or was it in a tweet?

I've never met nor heard from God. Have you?

Is there a suggestion that there was a communication from this figure to direct the last pope?

[omaghjoe]

Esm

So you dont recognise the sovereignty of the Vatican, rather than an issue with its particular head of state, is that the problem? 

The only criteria any country has for sovereignty is adherence of its citizens to its ideal and acceptance of that sovereignty by other sovereign states. The Vatican would appear to meet both of these, Which of the two do you have an issue with?

The institutions of The Republic of Ireland, The United Kingdom, The EU and The UN all recognise it as a sovereign state. For what reason exactly do you wish one or all of them to depart with protocol and not extend standard diplomatic courtesy for a recognised head of state?

Wouldnt meeting and hosting with one of the worlds most influential people not be of benefit to any country?

[Franko]

I'd say all the women that have had abortions will be flocking out to thank him for allowing priests to forgive them for their sins. Must be a weight of their shoulders.

I don't mind if he come any more than any other  head of state. Once he brings his own security at his own cost.

Do you wish to discriminate against one particular head of state?

I don't see him as a head of state. Even if he was, what benefit is he going to bring to Ireland by visiting? I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Well he is recognised as such by the state he is visiting (and a good few others), just as the Irish President is recognised by the state he represents, its a basic fundamental of international diplomacy.

Would his predecessor be more acceptable to you for the funding a state visit? Or is there a particular reason that you dont see him as head of the Holy See?

I'm sure it is. When Michael D heads off to such states, or when we welcome in other Heads of State, it is generally to mutually benefit the relevant states and its people. The Vatican City is a state in name only. Few of the basic fundamental characteristics of a state apply to it. Which pope it is is irrelevant.

I'm surprised he's even recognised as the pope considering his predecessor left the post without God's say so.

Did God tell you this personally or was it in a tweet?

I've never met nor heard from God. Have you?

Is there a suggestion that there was a communication from this figure to direct the last pope?

In what way would a visit from another sovereign head of state be of any more mutual benefit than one from the Pope?

[Esmarelda]

Esm

So you dont recognise the sovereignty of the Vatican, rather than an issue with its particular head of state, is that the problem? 

The only criteria any country has for sovereignty is adherence of its citizens to its ideal and acceptance of that sovereignty by other sovereign states. The Vatican would appear to meet both of these, Which of the two do you have an issue with?

The institutions of The Republic of Ireland, The United Kingdom, The EU and The UN all recognise it as a sovereign state. For what reason exactly do you wish one or all of them to depart with protocol and not extend standard diplomatic courtesy for a recognised head of state?

Wouldnt meeting and hosting with one of the worlds most influential people not be of benefit to any country?

I don't have a problem with the sovereignty of the Vatican. It has no bearing on my life. So if it fits the criteria, as you see and describe them then so be it and on that basis if the leader of this state wishes to invite the leader of that state I suppose I don't have a good reason to object.

However, the Vatican differs from your average state. He won't be coming over discussing trade agreements, work visas or anything that I can see that is worth discussing. Sure people that believe the particular belief system that he leads, rather than the ones that haven't stood the test of time will see this mere mortal's attendance as some great event.

I see it as a waste of time (not my time, our public representatives' time) and our money.

On your last question, how would meeting him be of benefit to Enda Kenny or any other politician that meets him, in the context of his influence over people?