AIQ Round 3B - Roscommon vs. Armagh (19/07/14, 5pm - Live on SKY)

[ross4life]

Depressing way to exit the championship. The intensity Armagh brought to the game was on a different level to us and they clearly wanted it more than us. Our lads in comparison looked very flat and sluggish its pointless dropping players back if they aren't going to defend or at least make the effort to double up our defending throughout was too loose a blanket full of holes in truth it was too easy for Armagh we stood off them they could pick passes,scores off at ease with little or no tackling by us, the Armagh goal just summed up our defending on the day a big high hopefully ball kicked in with both full back line and keeper all at sea.

Apart from Seanie Mac in patches our more experienced players didn't stand up and show the much needed leadership for the younger lads. We did well in midfield but again no use if you aren't solid in defence. Took us until the start of the 2nd half to find a score from play we took many wrong options but the solid wall of defence we faced is what we needed to bring to this game we did v Mayo for whatever reason we didn't today.

Its a long way off at this moment in time but Div 2 will be sink or swim for us now. We have plenty of potential in our panel with more coming through i just hope todays defeat hasn't knocked the lads back too far.  Well done to Armagh full value for their win will be interesting how far they progress in the championship.

[moysider]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

You can t be happy with that today Sy? Playing at home and all yet it was Armagh that started with more ambition and played the conditions better too. Look at all the killer turnovers Ros had.

I didn t see the Cavan game but it seemed Ros were incrementally improving from the Mayo game. Surely this is setback.

[Syferus]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

What's he achieved thus far?

Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.

Do you expect him to win Sam?

I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.

I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.

Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?

Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?

No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.

But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.

Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.

Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.

Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.

No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.

[Captain Obvious]

Revenge gained and to score 1-17 away against a side on the rise takes some doing. One win away from the quarter finals for Armagh now and not many would have predicted that after the disappointment of relegation. McGeeneys good record in the qualifiers continues.

[moysider]

Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?

[Armaghgeddon]

Why on earth was Kinsella rushing Kernan to take the free?

Absolute Beaut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0COmTRQUgvY

[JP]

Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?

McKeever and Aaron Kernan played in that team.

Rory Grugan, James Morgan and Eugune McVerry are from the 2009 Minor team.

[rodney trotter]

They were in the Ulster u21 final in 09, kyle Carragher was on that team. Decent u21 team this year,  beaten by Donegal in the Ulster semi final by a couple of pts.it was a strong Donegal side, Armagh were missing Caolan  Rafferty I recall ,probaly their best player

[armaghniac]

]Happy enough to see Armagh win today without really getting things together, there is room for improvement. While the ref made some strange decisions there is no point in getting the ball moved up and giving away a point, some restraint is needed.

I think Armagh could go all the way.

No doubt, if your are referring to the Ladies. But this thread is about the men's team, they won't go more than 2 more games, but there has been an improvement and the tide has turned.

Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?

F.Moriarty, A.Mallon, A.Kernan, C.McKeever

They were in the Ulster u21 final in 09, kyle Carragher was on that team. Decent u21 team this year,  beaten by Donegal in the Ulster semi final by a couple of pts.it was a strong Donegal side, Armagh were missing Caolan  Rafferty I recall ,probaly their best player

Armagh should have made more impact on the U21 from the AI winning minors. I think the one they missed might have been the year they were beaten by Donegal in the first round with J. Clarke injured. I think Donegal reached the AI final that year.

[INDIANA]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

What's he achieved thus far?

Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.

Do you expect him to win Sam?

I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.

I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.

Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?

Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?

No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.

But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.

Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.

Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.

Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.

No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.

Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.

Big year next year  for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.

[Syferus]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

What's he achieved thus far?

Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.

Do you expect him to win Sam?

I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.

I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.

Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?

Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?

No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.

But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.

Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.

Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.

Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.

No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.

Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.

Big year next year  for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.

Every year is a big year.

[INDIANA]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

What's he achieved thus far?

Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.

Do you expect him to win Sam?

I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.

I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.

Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?

Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?

No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.

But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.

Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.

Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.

Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.

No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.

Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.

Big year next year  for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.

Every year is a big year.

well when you're in year 4 after 3 underwhelming years of championship performances some years are bigger then others!

You wouldn't get 4 years in most counties

[Carbery]

Armagh are one of the fittest teams I have seen for a long time, who is their trainer?

[Syferus]

Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?

Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.

What's he achieved thus far?

Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.

Do you expect him to win Sam?

I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.

I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.

Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?

Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?

No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.

But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.

Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.

Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.

Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.

No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.

Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.

Big year next year  for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.

Every year is a big year.

well when you're in year 4 after 3 underwhelming years of championship performances some years are bigger then others!

You wouldn't get 4 years in most counties

Johneen will only be entering Year 3 if he decides to agree to another year. Des Newton managed us to glory in 2012.

[Armaghgeddon]

Armagh are one of the fittest teams I have seen for a long time, who is their trainer?

McGeeney brought the trainers he had at Kildare with him I think. Their name escapes me at the moment