The Battle of Omagh part II - Role reversal

[Norf Tyrone]

Aside from all the controversy and lax play at times, twas a great game yesterday and a great atmosphere.

Very enjoyable.

[drici]

Is the game repeated this week?

Tuesday night/Wednesday morning.

GAA: Cluiche na Seachtaine

01:00

Deis eile cluiche CLG a himríodh ar an deireadh seachtaine a fheiceáil.

[Hereiam]

Im not on about the black card itself, if the fact  that players are afraid to tackle a player runing through for the fear of been sent off. How does a defence cope with this....answers on a postcard plese.

[under the bar]

Im not on about the black card itself, if the fact  that players are afraid to tackle a player runing through for the fear of been sent off. How does a defence cope with this....answers on a postcard please.

Its  not rocket science.... play the ball not the man.

[BennyHarp]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

One other observation about this game is that teams are beginning to drop further and further back, a lot of lateral passing around 30 yards then someone makes a break and generally fouled - I lost count of the number of kickable frees in that game. I can only see this will get worse as the season progresses, there's no way teams like Tyrone are going to let players waltz through the centre of the defence like that in the summer. It'll be like a rugby league style line of defence. I hope the likes of Propaganda Joe will be prepared to take the blame if the black card turns out to be a disaster in the summer, just as quickly as he was to take the credit after a few games. Teams are going to start developing tactics to use the new rules to their advantage - we haven't seen how this will play out yet and I'm a little concerned.

[orangeman]

Surely anti black card tactics would have emerged by now in the league ?

[blewuporstuffed]

Im not on about the black card itself, if the fact  that players are afraid to tackle a player runing through for the fear of been sent off. How does a defence cope with this....answers on a postcard please.

Its  not rocket science.... play the ball not the man.

easier said than done when referees seem happy enough to allow 7-8 steps most of the time ( as in the o'gara/ mcnamee black card incident.

[Hound]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

[Never beat the deeler]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

[screenexile]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

Sure they don't know any different ... it's been going on for basically 20 years so they can't see it as being a problem at this stage!!

[BennyHarp]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

Pure nonsense - he played the man in a goal scoring position and pulled him to the ground in a similar fashion to McNamee in the first half, if the ref sees that as a foul he must give a black card.

[J OGorman]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

Sure they don't know any different ... it's been going on for basically 20 years so they can't see it as being a problem at this stage!!

This head clutching carryon is ridiculous, as is the throwing yourself to the ground to win a free.

[orangeman]

It's the inconsistencies with the black card that are going to cause the problems during the summer - if Duffy gives that as a penalty for Tyrone, then surely he must give a black card to the goalie. There were numerous other examples, which to me, makes the black card a nonsense - it's either issued every time one of those infringements occur or it's scrapped and we go back to the drawing board. It's not at the refs discretion when to issue it. The yellow has now become a cop out for refs.

Is that not just you not understanding the rules?

Penalty does NOT automatically equal a black card.
The keeper made an attempt to play the ball. He actually made some contact with the ball. It was definitely not a black card foul.

The one black card that was given looked to be a clear trip of O'Gara's leg. No attempt to tackle the ball.
The only other incident that I saw that was worthy of a black card was Peter Harte's trip of Jason Whelan. That was a definite black card if deliberate. Hard to know for certain either way whether it was deliberate, Duffy decided to be lenient, which was probably fair enough.

Duffy actually didnt do too bad a job overall. Obviously both O'Carroll yellow cards were poor decisions, and Tyrone got a lot of soft frees. But when a big Dub tackles a weak Tyronie, I suppose its only natural that they fall to the ground so easy, so that makes it hard for any ref to make the right decision.

What do Tyrone lads feel about players holding their heads and feigning injury? Every team has the odd clown who might do that, but its so widespread among the Tyrone players that it must be a Mickey Harte edict to hold their heads any time they go to ground under physical contact?

Sure they don't know any different ... it's been going on for basically 20 years so they can't see it as being a problem at this stage!!

18 years to be precise. 1996.

The Meath men opened a few heads that year.

[Hound]

Pure nonsense - he played the man in a goal scoring position and pulled him to the ground in a similar fashion to McNamee in the first half, if the ref sees that as a foul he must give a black card.

Goal scoring position is absolutely irrelevant.

If he did pull him to the ground, like McNamee, making no attempt to tackle, then a black card would have been appropriate. But that's not what happened!

[BennyHarp]

Pure nonsense - he played the man in a goal scoring position and pulled him to the ground in a similar fashion to McNamee in the first half, if the ref sees that as a foul he must give a black card.

Goal scoring position is absolutely irrelevant.

If he did pull him to the ground, like McNamee, making no attempt to tackle, then a black card would have been appropriate. But that's not what happened!

Surely anti black card tactics would have emerged by now in the league ?

Really? Do you think all hands have shown already? Do you really think teams like Tyrone are going to set up to defend like they have been come championship? I've already seen a drift backwards in the defensive line, it could turn into a rugby league style defensive system, it's very nearly the only alternative if you don't have strong man markers - I would strongly suggest that teams will not leave defenders one on one in the summer.