Is Edwin Poots....

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Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?

We use kilometres not miles.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

lawnseed

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 04, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?

We use kilometres not miles.
ok! why oh why would anyone want to join the kilometre long queue for treatment in a third world health system 120kms from where they live when there is a perfectly good 2/3mls queue right beside them
A coward dies a thousand deaths a soldier only dies once

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 04, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?

We use kilometres not miles.
ok! why oh why would anyone want to join the kilometre long queue for treatment in a third world health system 120kms from where they live when there is a perfectly good 2/3mls queue right beside them

You'll be voting UKIP if ya fall any further down the rabbit hole.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

lawnseed

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 05, 2013, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 04, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?

We use kilometres not miles.
ok! why oh why would anyone want to join the kilometre long queue for treatment in a third world health system 120kms from where they live when there is a perfectly good 2/3mls queue right beside them

You'll be voting UKIP if ya fall any further down the rabbit hole.
is there a party for issue dogders.. the head in the sand i'm alright jack party
A coward dies a thousand deaths a soldier only dies once

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: lawnseed on May 05, 2013, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 05, 2013, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 04, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?

We use kilometres not miles.
ok! why oh why would anyone want to join the kilometre long queue for treatment in a third world health system 120kms from where they live when there is a perfectly good 2/3mls queue right beside them

You'll be voting UKIP if ya fall any further down the rabbit hole.
is there a party for issue dogders.. the head in the sand i'm alright jack party

Hard to see the issue with all your hyperbole, bitterness and rattle-throwing.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

lawnseed

the issue is the real wealth of a country is evident in its level of healthcare. the healthcare available on this island reflects the level of  investment put in by the administrations/governments responsible.
the proposal to shift cardiac patients from belfast to dublin where they will in effect become private 'queue jumping' patients ie they will take priority over southern patients national health patients already in the system. this is wrong. the proposal stems from the lack of use of these facilites in belfast the obvious solution is for belfast to take patients from the HSE waiting list. the reason o reilly is keen is because once the belfast facility is closed he can rip the arse out of the various trusts in nordieland like hes trying to do with private health insurances and the gimp kenny can give the money to germany
A coward dies a thousand deaths a soldier only dies once

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com

Quote from: lawnseed on May 05, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
the issue is the real wealth of a country is evident in its level of healthcare. the healthcare available on this island reflects the level of  investment put in by the administrations/governments responsible.
the proposal to shift cardiac patients from belfast to dublin where they will in effect become private 'queue jumping' patients ie they will take priority over southern patients national health patients already in the system. this is wrong. the proposal stems from the lack of use of these facilites in belfast the obvious solution is for belfast to take patients from the HSE waiting list. the reason o reilly is keen is because once the belfast facility is closed he can rip the arse out of the various trusts in nordieland like hes trying to do with private health insurances and the gimp kenny can give the money to germany

Whats wrong with All-Ireland solutions for people who are all Irish.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Maguire01

Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2013, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 03, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
pootsie is in the spotlight alright. thats what happens when you challange 'grey power'. but if he thinks the pressure hes under now because of the proposed closure of old folks homes is bad just wait until a baby from norn iron is left lying on a filthy trolley in dublin when its needs an operation. he'll be tarred and feathered.
Could you please point out where a baby in need of an op was left "lying on a filthy trolley in dublin(sic)" or are you just spouting the usual oul partitionist crap. :'(
there are no patients on trollies in the hse system? is that you mary harney? or are you james reilly? ffs emergency 999s cant get a fukn ambulance! a month ago a stab victom bleeding to death lay in the snow in central dublin for 40mins while dozens of people standing beside him phoned frantically for help. EMERGENCY ambulances have to queue at hospitals because they cant get their trollies back because the patients are left laying on them and they cant go back on the road without trollies. (maybe they could use pallets then they could stack the patients up)  your "health service" is the worst in the EC after greece and the pharaceutical companies that ireland depends on for work rip the arse out of the HSE/taxpayer in drug prices. its cheaper to buy the stuff over the counter in spain. yeah if pootsie sends sick kids into that system then he truely is the worst minister ever
Are you having a laugh? Want patients on trollies? Want ambulances queued up outside an A&E department? No need for any cross border travel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21585145

A few choice quotes:
He also pointed out that there had previously been 14 emergency ambulances in Belfast, but now there were seven.

At one stage, in the Ulster Hospital, I'm told that five or six vehicles were queued up waiting to bring patients inside

They were left standing with patients who had called an emergency vehicle so obviously they were ill, they said the situation was particularly tense and it was embarrassing as some patients were trying to help them to help other patients.

Ten of those patients, according to the figures I have, had to wait for up to three hours and two waited for more than three hours in the care of our paramedics.

taking sick people out of one shithole and moving them 90mile to a bigger shit hole isnt an answer to any problem. i'm not trying to be partitionist or anything political or otherwise. i'm stating a fact. lift any newspaper in the country and there are nightmarish scandalous stories about the poor treatment of patients in the HSE. WHY OH WHY????? would anyone want to go where the system is failing?? what would be the point??? would you head to calcutta or north vietnam why not?
You really don't have a clue. Ever heard of the term economies of scale?

Do you have the same problem with cancer patients from the 26 counties being treated in Altnagelvin?

Maguire01

Quote from: lawnseed on May 04, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
ok! why oh why would anyone want to join the kilometre long queue for treatment in a third world health system 120kms from where they live when there is a perfectly good 2/3mls queue right beside them
Hmmm.... maybe because one kilometer is a lot shorter than 2-3 miles?

Anyway, the fact that you think the healthcare system north or south is 'third world' shows just how far you are removed from reality.

Maguire01

Quote from: lawnseed on May 05, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
the issue is the real wealth of a country is evident in its level of healthcare. the healthcare available on this island reflects the level of  investment put in by the administrations/governments responsible.
the proposal to shift cardiac patients from belfast to dublin where they will in effect become private 'queue jumping' patients ie they will take priority over southern patients national health patients already in the system. this is wrong. the proposal stems from the lack of use of these facilites in belfast the obvious solution is for belfast to take patients from the HSE waiting list. the reason o reilly is keen is because once the belfast facility is closed he can rip the arse out of the various trusts in nordieland like hes trying to do with private health insurances and the gimp kenny can give the money to germany
How is that the solution? Will that not result in HSE patients jumping the queue over NHS patients? And how far do sick babies have to travel from Cork, Kerry, Waterford etc?

If one unit on the Ireland is the answer, then it makes sense to position it as centrally as possible, relative to the population.

lawnseed

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103000 hse patients waiting to see consultants in the 26 counties! yes thats ONE HUNDRED and THREE THOUSAND join the queue ::)

even at just 10mins per patient......... well you get the picture
A coward dies a thousand deaths a soldier only dies once

Maguire01

Quote from: lawnseed on May 09, 2013, 10:16:20 PM
103000 hse patients waiting to see consultants in the 26 counties! yes thats ONE HUNDRED and THREE THOUSAND join the queue ::)

even at just 10mins per patient......... well you get the picture
What about Northern Ireland?

The total number of people waiting for a first outpatient appointment at the end of December 2012 was 107,216.

The total number of patients waiting for inpatient treatment at the end of December 2012 was 51,211.


http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news-dhssps-280213-publication-of-the

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: Orior on May 03, 2013, 09:23:19 PM
I actually disagree with most on here.


Poots is a smart man and has a very difficult portfolio. He is not afraid to tackle issues head on, and there is no easy answer to continued budget reduction. Plus I think he is much less bigotted than his cohorts.
Not sure I could agree with that. He failed in 2 previous Departments due to his inability to act strategically DOE over Review of Public Administration the issue being that he wanted to go against the Boundary Commissioner over which parts of Castlereagh should go to Lisburn and in DCAL over the Maze Long Kesh issue. Promoted  above his ability if you ask me
Careful now

LeoMc

Quote from: lawnseed on May 09, 2013, 10:16:20 PM
103000 hse patients waiting to see consultants in the 26 counties! yes thats ONE HUNDRED and THREE THOUSAND join the queue ::)

even at just 10mins per patient......... well you get the picture

Depends how may consultants. If there is only 1 it would be alarming in itself.

lawnseed

Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2013, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 09, 2013, 10:16:20 PM
103000 hse patients waiting to see consultants in the 26 counties! yes thats ONE HUNDRED and THREE THOUSAND join the queue ::)

even at just 10mins per patient......... well you get the picture
What about Northern Ireland?

The total number of people waiting for a first outpatient appointment at the end of December 2012 was 107,216.

The total number of patients waiting for inpatient treatment at the end of December 2012 was 51,211.


http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news-dhssps-280213-publication-of-the
those figures dont refer to those waiting to see 'consultants'. cant think of any reason why you bothered to search them. try to imagine fellas on about 300 thousand a year.. not someone waiting to get their corns done by the nurse
A coward dies a thousand deaths a soldier only dies once