Gay Marriage in Scotland

[Maguire01]

Eamonn I fully subscribe to the teachings of the Catholic Church - thats all you need to know.

What's the difference between subscribing to and adhering to?

[stew]

So Cardinal Kieth O'Brien is incensed by the thought of Gay Marriage and feels it needs a referendum. It's a pity he didn't feel so incensed by the actions of Brother Bishops in Ireland. The Catholic Clergy does not have the moral authority to speak on this issue. Most catholics have no issue with Gay marriage or civil partnership, although perhaps not in their church. Gay Marriage does not necessarily need to be in church so why say no. If other Churches want to marry Gay Christians thats up to them.

I think your statement needs to be clarified Applesisapples.

Most non-practicing or pick and mix Catholics have no problem with Gay Marriage.

All fully subscribing Catholics do have a problem with Gay Marriage.

All fully subscribing Catholics are idiots.

Now that comes from the mouth of an idiot, basically you are saying that millions of Catholics throughout the world are idiots, in essence you are saying all people that believe in Christ are idiots, what arrogance and stupidity from this guy, unreal!

[Maguire01]

I dont care if these people marry each other, i do care if they decide to do it in a Christian Church, after all, Homosexuality was said to be an abomination in the eyes of God and despite what w**kers like you think Eamon............... we have rights too!

I assume you're equally outraged be people who eat prawns?

[EC Unique]

[Marriage] should have been a covenant between believers.

Says who?  Marriage exists in all cultures in some shape or form.  It's about standing up in front of your family, friends and peers and making a public commitment to this other person.  Belief in the invisible man in the sky has shit all to do with it. If you're into that sort of thing then by all means bring it into the ceremony, but this idea that only religious people have any business getting married is just ridiculous. Non-religious people have the same kinds of personal relationships as you.  People like you do not have a monopoly on it.  The "institution of marriage" is not the private property of conservative religious nutjobs. It's for whoever wants it.

Your attitude toward people of faith is repugnant and you look like a religious nutjob insofar as you go out of your way to demean and chastise Christians.

I dont care if these people marry each other, i do care if they decide to do it in a Christian Church, after all, Homosexuality was said to be an abomination in the eyes of God and despite what w**kers like you think Eamon............... we have rights too!

By the way, you are just about the only wingnut on here that drives his religious views down people throats, no one gives two shites what you or i think, the difference is that you drone on endlessly about people of faith and God that you are nothing but a complete and utter bore at this stage!

Fair play stew. Good post.

The funny thing about People like Eamon is that when faced with their possible death or that of a loved one they suddenly find faith... "oh please God no!"

[Maguire01]

Whilst being fairly liberal on such matters, I don't fully understand the push to have gay 'marriage' when all of the rights and protections appear to exist under civil partnership arrangements. Is it just the name?

I'd assume there are  gay couples who have the same ambitions / dreams  to get married as anyone else, as distinct from just having their partnership legally recognised. There's a choice between a registry office marriage and willing churches.

Yes, but I'm trying to understand the difference - is it just the name?

[stew]

Whilst being fairly liberal on such matters, I don't fully understand the push to have gay 'marriage' when all of the rights and protections appear to exist under civil partnership arrangements. Is it just the name?

I'd assume there are  gay couples who have the same ambitions / dreams  to get married as anyone else, as distinct from just having their partnership legally recognised. There's a choice between a registry office marriage and willing churches.

Yes, but I'm trying to understand the difference - is it just the name?

No, it is simple really, if being a homosexual is seen as an abomination in the eyes of God how can any Christian Church perform a marriage ceremony in said christian church?

Why can't they get married in a registry office? that would seem to make sense, after all the government run such places and that way they won't cause tremendous damage to the Christian based Churches.

Religious entities have rights as well as the likes of eamon on here, they should never be forced to compromise their principles because someone wants the Church to accommodate them. eamon takes up any cause that is anti christian, that is his right, but he better not fcuk with my right to believe in the invisible man in the sky as he so eloquently puts it, if he does we are going to have serious issues!

[Eamonnca1]

Your attitude toward people of faith is repugnant and you look like a religious nutjob insofar as you go out of your way to demean and chastise Christians.

I dont care if these people marry each other, i do care if they decide to do it in a Christian Church, after all, Homosexuality was said to be an abomination in the eyes of God and despite what w**kers like you think Eamon............... we have rights too!

By the way, you are just about the only wingnut on here that drives his religious views down people throats, no one gives two shites what you or i think, the difference is that you drone on endlessly about people of faith and God that you are nothing but a complete and utter bore at this stage!

"Come and I'll make you fishers of men" he said.  Seems like I really got to you, either that or you enjoy the taste of bait.

Just while we're here, how are your rights being infringed by a gay couple getting married? 

[Eamonnca1]

Fair play stew. Good post.

Get a room, you two.

The funny thing about People like Eamon is that when faced with their possible death or that of a loved one they suddenly find faith... "oh please God no!"

Is this the old chestnut about "you're going to convert to Christianity on your deathbed"?  What a load of condescending shite.

Incidentally it was the death of a loved one that was one of the first steps to me dumping the god delusion.  So the next time you make shit up about other people, make sure it's about someone else. When it comes to making stuff up about me you're not very good at it.

[Eamonnca1]

No, it is simple really, if being a homosexual is seen as an abomination in the eyes of God how can any Christian Church perform a marriage ceremony in said christian church?

Why can't they get married in a registry office? that would seem to make sense, after all the government run such places and that way they won't cause tremendous damage to the Christian based Churches.

Religious entities have rights as well as the likes of eamon on here, they should never be forced to compromise their principles because someone wants the Church to accommodate them. eamon takes up any cause that is anti christian, that is his right, but he better not fcuk with my right to believe in the invisible man in the sky as he so eloquently puts it, if he does we are going to have serious issues!

Calm down, you bloody drama queen.  The issue is not that gays are prevented from getting married in one particular type of church. The issue is that they are prevented from getting married AT ALL.  People like me are not stopping you from worshipping your imaginary friend.  On the other hand people like you ARE preventing gay people from getting married.  And that, sir, is a serious issue.  That's called ramming your religious views down the rest of society's throats.

And if a church doesn't want to perform certain types of ceremonies then good luck to them. Frankly I don't know why any gay couple would want to get married in a catholic chapel anyway.

[T Fearon]

I know a few fellas in Scotland who can't wait to take a Rod up the aisle!

[ONeill]

I know a few fellas in Scotland who can't wait to take a Rod up the aisle!

Don't think the Irish News read this.

[Tony Baloney]

I know a few fellas in Scotland who can't wait to take a Rod up the aisle!

Don't think the Irish News read this.

Perfect line O'Neill.

[ziggysego]

I know a few fellas in Scotland who can't wait to take a Rod up the aisle!

Don't think the Irish News read this.

[EC Unique]

Fair play stew. Good post.

Get a room, you two.

The funny thing about People like Eamon is that when faced with their possible death or that of a loved one they suddenly find faith... "oh please God no!"

Is this the old chestnut about "you're going to convert to Christianity on your deathbed"?  What a load of condescending shite.

Incidentally it was the death of a loved one that was one of the first steps to me dumping the god delusion.  So the next time you make shit up about other people, make sure it's about someone else. When it comes to making stuff up about me you're not very good at it.

It is a fact that many people find faith when faced with their death. You may well be one of them and you will not know until the time comes so you can not rule it out.

You are in no position to accuse anyone of being condescending...

''the god delusion''

''the invisible man in the sky''

''your imaginary friend''

[Cold tea]

I don't think we will ever get to a point where a church will be forced to accept Gay Marriage. Some protestant denominations may decide to open it's doors to it though.

I think the Catholic Church has done too little to late to protect the sanctity of the "Marriage". Although I can't agree to Gay "Marriage" I will admit that the "Marriage" has been weakened over the centuries long before Gay people wanted to use the term. It should have been a covenant between believers. I'm not sure a Wedding is today what it was once intended to be.... Half the people who get married have no interest in religion I would imagine beyond the keeping up appearances trip to Mass of a Sunday.

Why the f**k would you need to have an interest in religion to get married?