The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - the Wirtz of times

[magpie seanie]

What was the point of bringing Voronin back if he won't play him in even the Carling Cup?

i would have thought the best business would have been to get rid of him when he was still worth something and a few of the german clubs were interested instead of keeping him to rot in the reserves and then let him go for free like he did with Penant

They wanted to get rid of him but Hertha Berlin wouldn't pay what Liverpool valued him at. He has scored lots of goals in Germany so Liverpool weren't going to let him go for peanuts.

Exactly, plus with no replacement coming in Rafa had little choice. If the price was right he would have gone and used the money (if allowed to) get a replacement.

What worth exactly would you place on a guy you won't start in the Carling Cup? Michael Owen was available on a free transfer so the other part doesn't wash either.

[bingobus]

What was the point of bringing Voronin back if he won't play him in even the Carling Cup?

i would have thought the best business would have been to get rid of him when he was still worth something and a few of the german clubs were interested instead of keeping him to rot in the reserves and then let him go for free like he did with Penant

They wanted to get rid of him but Hertha Berlin wouldn't pay what Liverpool valued him at. He has scored lots of goals in Germany so Liverpool weren't going to let him go for peanuts.

Exactly, plus with no replacement coming in Rafa had little choice. If the price was right he would have gone and used the money (if allowed to) get a replacement.

What worth exactly would you place on a guy you won't start in the Carling Cup? Michael Owen was available on a free transfer so the other part doesn't wash either.

He went to Germany last year, scored 11 goals in 20 appearances, the league suits him. He's played loads there. In the EPL he doesn't do the business on a regular basis and hasn't the pace or the movement to play as a lone front man the way liverpool play. He obviously has value to a German side and rightly, if they don't meet the price then he stays.

He stayed cause we don;t have many strikers and he will take his place on bench and do 20 mins here and there when the game is up. Such as Stoke and Burnley this season.

There is nothing to earn from playing him in a Carling cup tie, when we have a younger striker looking to test himself.

As for Owen, he would be far from "free" and maybe Rafa didn;t fancy an injury prone striker as back up to an injury prone striker. Didn't want the risk. Or maybe cause Owen jumped ship to newcastle when Rafa was interested on taking him back from Madrid, he didn't want to do business with him again.

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[blewuporstuffed]

fair enough if they were going to use him abit more this season, but i would have though ngog & some of the younger lads could have did as gooda job coming in against the likes of stoke etc when the gaem was all but won.
for me, he's a player that will offer them little this season and is still on the payroll when they could have got something for him in the summer, even if it was less than they would have liked.
chances are he will play next to no games and leave at the end of the season for free.
Bit like the situation with penant when rafa held on to him when there were offers on the table and then didnt play him and had to let him go for nothing this summer.
doesnt make much sense to me

[bingobus]

fair enough if they were going to use him abit more this season, but i would have though ngog & some of the younger lads could have did as gooda job coming in against the likes of stoke etc when the gaem was all but won.
for me, he's a player that will offer them little this season and is still on the payroll when they could have got something for him in the summer, even if it was less than they would have liked.
chances are he will play next to no games and leave at the end of the season for free.
Bit like the situation with penant when rafa held on to him when there were offers on the table and then didnt play him and had to let him go for nothing this summer.
doesnt make much sense to me

Do you know if anyone actually try and buy him? Most of the talk was of another loan spell. Hertha Berlin said they didn't want to buy him at any price and eyed another loan to sign him next year.

As for penant, what offers where on the table? He was loaned out cause he was taking the piss with his attitude and told the club he was staying till he could leave on a free. Penant isn't that hot that clubs would buy him knowing he was free in the summer.

[118cmal]

Liverpool's £20m buying cap revealed in club report

Benitez must work with limited transfer and wages budget for next five years

By Ian Herbert, Deputy Football Correspondent


Rafael Benitez's struggle to keep pace with the Premier League elite is revealed in documents which suggest Liverpool's net summer spending will be locked at £20m until 2014 – a figure which will also include wage increases accruing from contract renewals. The figures, which suggest the manager must continue to sell before he can buy, are contained in a prospectus published in March by investment banks Rothschild and Merrill Lynch to attract potential investors in the club.


The prospectus, which provides a sense of how desperately Liverpool's owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett need new finance, reveal the Americans were considering increasing the average ticket price by eight per cent to help ease the club's debt problems. They were also seeking to raise £100m from investors and loans as pressure built to refinance a debt of £290m.

Gillett and Hicks paid £50m four months later, in July, to get a year's extension to the debt facility they have used to purchase and run the club since their takeover in February 2007. This season they have secured a new £20m-a-year sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered Bank, a major improvement on the previous £14.6m Carlsberg deal and hope to retain a role for Carlsberg, commercial director Ian Ayre revealed yesterday.

Yet the underlying lack of finance for Benitez remains a problem. It might not be as dire a position for the club as suggested by the banner unveiled by Liverpool fans before the Carling Cup tie with Leeds at Elland Road on Tuesday – "We are the new Leeds," it read – but Benitez is clearly limited in his options in the transfer market. The section of the Rothschild/Merrill Lynch document relating to "player transfer payments" states: "Management believes that the normalised long-run level of new net player capital expenditure is £20m." The accompanying data suggests "long run" means the next five years. This figure "will grow together with increases in media broadcasting revenues," the bankers promise. Though revenues from British broadcasters are expected to drop, overseas rights should grow before 2014.

This summer the £30m sale of Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid helped offset the outlay on Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani. The need to generate cash to finance future purchases next summer may make it more difficult to resist selling Javier Mascherano. Meanwhile, the Liverpool managing director, Christian Purslow, indicated, in a recent meeting with the Spirit of Shankly supporters' organisation, the minutes of which are published on its website, that money spent on improved contracts for players is considered part of the transfer budget.

Hicks and Gillett eventually decided against an increase in ticket price, which would have come as the majority of the 20 Premier League clubs decided to freeze or reduce prices of some tickets for this season. But other details of Hicks and Gillett's future commercial strategy for Liverpool, outlined in the document obtained by Bloomberg News, include plans to convert 1,000 regular seats at Anfield into corporate seats and the creation of Liverpool-branded academies. New secondary sponsors will be targeted and catering facilities improved to help realise ambitions to increase commercial revenue from £59m to £111.4m in the next five years – a lofty target

[bingobus]

A struggling hull team at home. Should be little trouble but a team with their backs to the wall can be stubborn and spirited. An early goal and good start will be key and could turn the tie into a much easier game.

Repeat of last years 2-2 will surely not be an option.

Should be able to afford to rest Masch and play Gerrad with Lucas like Burnley. Benny in hole with Torres and Babbel/Riera and Kuyt out wide.

I'd take a 3-0.

[Ulster Exile]

A struggling hull team at home. Should be little trouble but a team with their backs to the wall can be stubborn and spirited. An early goal and good start will be key and could turn the tie into a much easier game.

Repeat of last years 2-2 will surely not be an option.

Should be able to afford to rest Masch and play Gerrad with Lucas like Burnley. Benny in hole with Torres and Babbel/Riera and Kuyt out wide.

I'd take a 3-0.

Really? 

[Hound]

I much prefer playing these bottom half teams when they are coming off a good result. When they're desperate for a win, there much more likely to spring a surprise. Should be comfortable of course, but I'd be very wary. Particularly because our defence has been really dodgy, and I'm sure Hull will focus on set pieces - Paul McShane might even score against us - again!

[charlie stubbs]

A struggling hull team at home. Should be little trouble but a team with their backs to the wall can be stubborn and spirited. An early goal and good start will be key and could turn the tie into a much easier game.

Repeat of last years 2-2 will surely not be an option.

Should be able to afford to rest Masch and play Gerrad with Lucas like Burnley. Benny in hole with Torres and Babbel/Riera and Kuyt out wide.

I'd take a 3-0.

take any win!

[gawa316]

arsenal away in Carling Cup

[The Real Laoislad]

15mins that shook the world:Rafa's Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMirJPi_mI

[EC Unique]

Very Good

[The Real Laoislad]

Its actually a clip of a real movie coming out in a few months,its a spoof film obviously but Carra,Gerrard and Hamann all are in it.

[gawa316]

Team:
           Reina
Magic Cara Skrtel Insua
       Lucas Gerrard
    Kuyt Yossi Reira
           Torres
Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Mascherano, Ngog.


Good team and the bench is finally looking stronger

[The Real Laoislad]

any links