The Many Faces of US Politics...

Started by Tyrones own, March 20, 2009, 09:29:14 PM

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Mourne Red

Trumps donation websites crashing due to traffic on them. If he's still allowed to run in November today has just won him the Presidency

J70

Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

He set the table for Putin and Ukraine.

He emboldened the Israeli extreme right by moving the embassy to Jerusalem and rubber stamping the annexation of the West Bank.

J70

Quote from: Mourne Red on May 30, 2024, 11:27:07 PMTrumps donation websites crashing due to traffic on them. If he's still allowed to run in November today has just won him the Presidency

He tried to steal an election and attempted a coup. He was found guilty of sexual assault in civil court. He has courted the support of violent right wing extremists in a presidential debate. What's a little felony falsification of business records to hide a payoff to a pornstar?

Jell 0 Biafra

The people donating were always going to vote for him.  So this doesn't change anything for them.  What matters is how it affects swing voters in 5 or 6 competitive states.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

Not sure where you've been but the US have been involved directly or indirectly in hundreds of wars for many decades

Living under a rock he's been?  and within the first two years of Trumps administration, Trump launched far more drone and lethal strikes than Obama in his full term.

J70

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2024, 11:38:27 PMThe people donating were always going to vote for him.  So this doesn't change anything for them.  What matters is how it affects swing voters in 5 or 6 competitive states.

Which is where Biden's pride is going to screw the country. Had he stood aside, the Dems would have a fresh face on the ballot and Trump would either have been jettisoned too or would be staring at a hammering.

Jell 0 Biafra

Not sure about that.  Inflation and (in Michigan particularly) genocide are his electoral issues.  Short of standing aside for one of The Squad, not sure any fresh faces would have handled either of these issues differently.

J70

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2024, 12:36:58 AMNot sure about that.  Inflation and (in Michigan particularly) genocide are his electoral issues.  Short of standing aside for one of The Squad, not sure any fresh faces would have handled either of these issues differently.

I think you're overestimating the effects of Gaza inside the US. Especially as Trump is even worse.

Jell 0 Biafra

#24683
Not the US as a whole,but Michigan (with it's high Muslim population) in particular.  Biden may well have lost that vote, and it might cost him.

I'm under no illusion that Trump would be better.  And this is largely why I'll be voting (again) for Stein: the only candidate to explicitly call this shit a genocide.

burdizzo

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

Not sure where you've been but the US have been involved directly or indirectly in hundreds of wars for many decades

Living under a rock he's been?  and within the first two years of Trumps administration, Trump launched far more drone and lethal strikes than Obama in his full term.

Whereas Obama merely destabilised the whole middle east and North Africa.

tonto1888

Quote from: burdizzo on May 31, 2024, 08:00:25 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

Not sure where you've been but the US have been involved directly or indirectly in hundreds of wars for many decades

Living under a rock he's been?  and within the first two years of Trumps administration, Trump launched far more drone and lethal strikes than Obama in his full term.

Whereas Obama merely destabilised the whole middle east and North Africa.

because the ME was very stable before Obama

Milltown Row2

Quote from: burdizzo on May 31, 2024, 08:00:25 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

Not sure where you've been but the US have been involved directly or indirectly in hundreds of wars for many decades

Living under a rock he's been?  and within the first two years of Trumps administration, Trump launched far more drone and lethal strikes than Obama in his full term.

Whereas Obama merely destabilised the whole middle east and North Africa.

So you still standing by your first post lol?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: burdizzo on May 31, 2024, 08:00:25 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2024, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 30, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 30, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 30, 2024, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2024, 10:09:24 PMTrump found guilty
Some piece of work. No question he's the worst president in the history of United states of America.

Yet, with the current state of the world, he's a good bet to double down on that. We could be in for a dark next five years.

Yet all the war started after he left office??

Not sure where you've been but the US have been involved directly or indirectly in hundreds of wars for many decades

Living under a rock he's been?  and within the first two years of Trumps administration, Trump launched far more drone and lethal strikes than Obama in his full term.

Whereas Obama merely destabilised the whole middle east and North Africa.

This clueless or just an act?

Muck Savage

Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2024, 01:37:56 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2024, 12:36:58 AMNot sure about that.  Inflation and (in Michigan particularly) genocide are his electoral issues.  Short of standing aside for one of The Squad, not sure any fresh faces would have handled either of these issues differently.

I think you're overestimating the effects of Gaza inside the US. Especially as Trump is even worse.

May not mean people vote for Trump but a lot of die hard democrats and anti Trumpers in this area saying they won't vote for Biden ever again. If that sentiment is in some of the swing states it might be all That is needed.

J70

Quote from: Muck Savage on May 31, 2024, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2024, 01:37:56 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2024, 12:36:58 AMNot sure about that.  Inflation and (in Michigan particularly) genocide are his electoral issues.  Short of standing aside for one of The Squad, not sure any fresh faces would have handled either of these issues differently.

I think you're overestimating the effects of Gaza inside the US. Especially as Trump is even worse.

May not mean people vote for Trump but a lot of die hard democrats and anti Trumpers in this area saying they won't vote for Biden ever again. If that sentiment is in some of the swing states it might be all That is needed.

Given the tight margins in the past two elections, you're right, it won't take much, which is why I'm pissed off that Biden didn't stand aside. I just don't personally see GAZA being the decisive issue as opposed to perceptions about the economy or the border, but we'll see. I guess it all adds up.

But anyone who withholds their vote for Biden on Gaza is basically handing that issue and everything else over to Trump and all that he is going to unleash. I hope they're content with that choice.