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Aidan Walsh out due to injured ankle. Shame as he is a classy boxer. Unfortunate luck as I believe he injured it celebrating his last win.

I think he injured it jumping out of the ring.

Looked like he did it jumping up and down in the ring when he was anounced as winner.

Jesus couldn't raise that Celtic team. Outside of Ralston no outfield player sustained an effort all night. Christie and McGregor faded, and Edouard is not with £20 let alone £20M.
Under investment from last couple of years coming home to roost. But sure the fans will moan but still buy the merchandise and the season books.

Edouard is going to play himself out of a decent move if he doesn't catch himself on. A year or 2 ago big teams were sniffing around him. Now it looks like he couldn't be bothered get stripped for Celtic. I still think there should have been enough talent in that squad to get a win against some team that from Europe that people haven't heard of.

Serious question - How good was Edouard a season or two back - My Celtic supporting pal used to be rave about him but I've never seen him do much / been that impressed.

Jenas & Danny Murphy are absolutely terrible.

McCoist head and shoulders above anyone on either channel

And McCoist is funny too!

That is a good shout. Those bells are fantastic people. To take such a tragic event in your life and to turn it into something that provides so much help to others is something else. They deserve massive respect.

Incredible charity borne out of massive personal tragedy. Enormous help to grieving families

Amazing folk who's charity helped my family after the death of a family member overseas.  Lovely too that they won the Lotto (Or lottery?) and my understanding is that they used the money to help their charity, which again speaks volumes about the kind ot people that they are are.

People who give up their free time to coach kids' sports teams.  Heathcare workers too - Had an operation a few years back and the elvel of care from every single person I encountered was amazing.  Teachers too, the vast maority of who always go the extra mile for benefit of their students.

Would have done a bit of lamping for rabbits back in the day. Seen an odd badger or fox but stayed clear

Lamping rabbits? What was going through your mind? Anything?

Banjo music probably.

[I have never liked McIlroy.]

I have never liked McIlroy. But he is a talented golfer and his results prove that. I wouldn't wish him to fail, it doesn't bother me either way though. That course is brutal and +3 is still in the hunt.

Other than the, perhaps glaringly obvious, what has he done to annoy you? After 15 years in the public eye, he always comes across well and seems a good guy, in a sport too, where there is fairly high proportion of  assholes.

[unjustifiable actions.]

What was the legitimate case for the Provos bearing arms in the 26?
And then using them to murder Gardai, Pte.Kelly, Prison Officer Stack, a Protestant Senator, Tom Oliver, bank robbing, kidnapping etc etc.
What ever happened to Army Order 8?

Didn't the Old IRA also rob banks and Post Offices, and do so on a routine basis?

Was it OK back then?

Your refusal to acknowledge any wrong doing by the IRA is remarkable and admirable in a strange way. Despite everything you're sticking to whataboutery from a century ago as if that somehow makes everything ok

I've never once denied wrongdoing by the IRA. If you can find a quote where I did, please post it up.

I have repeatedly said both the Old IRA and PIRA carried out unjustifiable actions. I have merely pointed out that the Old IRA  killed at least the same, and in all liklihood a higher, proportion of civilians than the PIRA did. How is it "whataboutery" to examine the actions of the Old IRA in a thread specifically about them?

Which PIRA actions were you happy enough about?  The 300+ RUC personnel murdered okay?

I'm not "happy" about any deaths but I regard the PIRA campaign as having been legitimate and the utterly discredited and sectarian RUC were willing protagonists in that conflict and as such were wholly legitimate targets.

Pretty sad that the cold blooded murder of felloe Irish men and women, often shot in the back etc, can be described as wholly legitimate.

The RUC was a disgraced organisation (I am sure you recall it was done away with) and so were the B Specials. Colluded with loyalists and british army to murder civilians. Its was a dirty business but in the conflict in the North they were as legitimate a target as anyone was - I assume you feel that it was legitimate for British Army to shoot IRA men? If anything the shooting of RIC men would have been much more controversial back in the day given the make up of that force had a much higher proportion of nationalists.

So it's more acceptable to shoot protestants / unionists?

[unjustifiable actions.]

What was the legitimate case for the Provos bearing arms in the 26?
And then using them to murder Gardai, Pte.Kelly, Prison Officer Stack, a Protestant Senator, Tom Oliver, bank robbing, kidnapping etc etc.
What ever happened to Army Order 8?

Didn't the Old IRA also rob banks and Post Offices, and do so on a routine basis?

Was it OK back then?

Your refusal to acknowledge any wrong doing by the IRA is remarkable and admirable in a strange way. Despite everything you're sticking to whataboutery from a century ago as if that somehow makes everything ok

I've never once denied wrongdoing by the IRA. If you can find a quote where I did, please post it up.

I have repeatedly said both the Old IRA and PIRA carried out unjustifiable actions. I have merely pointed out that the Old IRA  killed at least the same, and in all liklihood a higher, proportion of civilians than the PIRA did. How is it "whataboutery" to examine the actions of the Old IRA in a thread specifically about them?

Which PIRA actions were you happy enough about?  The 300+ RUC personnel murdered okay?

I'm not "happy" about any deaths but I regard the PIRA campaign as having been legitimate and the utterly discredited and sectarian RUC were willing protagonists in that conflict and as such were wholly legitimate targets.

Pretty sad that the cold blooded murder of felloe Irish men and women, often shot in the back etc, can be described as wholly legitimate.

[unjustifiable actions.]

What was the legitimate case for the Provos bearing arms in the 26?
And then using them to murder Gardai, Pte.Kelly, Prison Officer Stack, a Protestant Senator, Tom Oliver, bank robbing, kidnapping etc etc.
What ever happened to Army Order 8?

Didn't the Old IRA also rob banks and Post Offices, and do so on a routine basis?

Was it OK back then?

Your refusal to acknowledge any wrong doing by the IRA is remarkable and admirable in a strange way. Despite everything you're sticking to whataboutery from a century ago as if that somehow makes everything ok

I've never once denied wrongdoing by the IRA. If you can find a quote where I did, please post it up.

I have repeatedly said both the Old IRA and PIRA carried out unjustifiable actions. I have merely pointed out that the Old IRA  killed at least the same, and in all liklihood a higher, proportion of civilians than the PIRA did. How is it "whataboutery" to examine the actions of the Old IRA in a thread specifically about them?

Which PIRA actions were you happy enough about?  The 300+ RUC personnel murdered okay?

Thought I had strayed to the Newsletter site.....

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-td-to-commemorate-evil-and-sectarian-killer-who-tried-to-murder-arlene-fosters-father-in-terrorist-gun-attack-40356347.html

Or Sinn Fein Commerate Irishman executed in cold blood by British Army, if you actually read the shite that is in that article instead of just reading the Indo headline.

Surely the old 'live by the sword, die by the sword' adage would apply when your are shot dead on "active service"?

Is there any story to explain (top 10 European club) Celtic fc's share price? All of a sudden it shot up by about 15% today.

It was mentioned that them and the gers might be brought into a british super league. Or just added to the current PL. Which wont happen.

It'll happen eventually. I can't imagine Celtic and Rangers being in the SPL in 50 years time.

Rangers and Celtic fans are used to winning at least 1 trophy per season.  When things go on the slide, their interest tends to tail off a bit (This thread being an example of that).  I'm not sure how both sest of fans would get on with perhaps winning a trophy every 5 to 10 years rather than winning everything in sight.

Okay. Rangers have won 1 major Scottish competition in the past ten years but apart from that.......

And do you think they will only 1 in the next 10 years?

Is there any story to explain (top 10 European club) Celtic fc's share price? All of a sudden it shot up by about 15% today.

It was mentioned that them and the gers might be brought into a british super league. Or just added to the current PL. Which wont happen.

It'll happen eventually. I can't imagine Celtic and Rangers being in the SPL in 50 years time.

Rangers and Celtic fans are used to winning at least 1 trophy per season.  When things go on the slide, their interest tends to tail off a bit (This thread being an example of that).  I'm not sure how both sest of fans would get on with perhaps winning a trophy every 5 to 10 years rather than winning everything in sight.

[Why should unionists]

Granted, I'm no expert on SF's politics in Northern Ireland but I was under the impression that the Shinners were demanding a UI referendum right now. Listening to Michelle last night,it seems they are looking for negotiations to begin which is a different matter. I mean iif there is going to be a UI at sometime in the future, discussions have to begin sometime and if that all SF are looking for, I am alll for it.

Agree . I think an all-island solution would leave the island in a much better place. We already punch above our weight in many things and as a people are liked and respected worldwide. Take the conflict out of it and we can realise our potential . The South has done well in many aspects particularly in recent years but the "northern question" continues to hold us all back . MON has shown remarkable pragmatism and resilience in maintaining in government with the DUP . The GFA of its time was a success because DUP had to buy in to arrangements they didn't like (albeit kicking and screaming ).
Similarly with all-island constitutional change. Northern republicans had to swallow  living under British jurisdiction because their irishness was supposed to be equally respected . Why should unionists who were happy for republicans to do that post GFA , not be by prepared to accept the same in new arrangements . Look at the French  in Canada,  or Belgian arrangements,  as well as GFA for precedent.

There in is the problem ... Unionists will not be subjective, they will not partake in sensible reasoning discussions, they will gladly walk off a cliff edge rather than prosper in a UI ... sad, but true.  Entering into discussions ref. a UI means they've already lost the argument, for them, it is the union with the UK that matters, and nothing else.  Still, that should not prevent the discussion taking place, whether unionists want to be part of those discussions or not.

How can you guarantee that 'they' will prosper in a UI?

Granted, I'm no expert on SF's politics in Northern Ireland but I was under the impression that the Shinners were demanding a UI referendum right now. Listening to Michelle last night,it seems they are looking for negotiations to begin which is a different matter. I mean iif there is going to be a UI at sometime in the future, discussions have to begin sometime and if that all SF are looking for, I am alll for it.

Agree . I think an all-island solution would leave the island in a much better place. We already punch above our weight in many things and as a people are liked and respected worldwide. Take the conflict out of it and we can realise our potential . The South has done well in many aspects particularly in recent years but the "northern question" continues to hold us all back . MON has shown remarkable pragmatism and resilience in maintaining in government with the DUP . The GFA of its time was a success because DUP had to buy in to arrangements they didn't like (albeit kicking and screaming ).
Similarly with all-island constitutional change. Northern republicans had to swallow  living under British jurisdiction because their irishness was supposed to be equally respected . Why should unionists who were happy for republicans to do that post GFA , not be by prepared to accept the same in new arrangements . Look at the French  in Canada,  or Belgian arrangements,  as well as GFA for precedent.

You been on the pop, big lad?