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You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.

You should leave it at point 1 . I've seen managers approach and abuse an official , In the wrong Completely , but it's 1 person losing the run of themselves , this was players , management and club officials. Let's see how the county board stands behind their official , time for a line to be drawn in the sand .

I disagree.

There's half a dozen posters who want to portray this as a Kilcoo problem.

It's not.

It's an institutional problem in the GAA.

They're no angels. Not even close. But any person adopting a holier than thou attitude against Kilcoo this week, I make them wrong. Every club would have behaved equally appallingly (or worse) in that exact context.


The root problem here isn't Kilcoo. It's is fucked up rulebook and appeals process that facilitates this behaviour

No I disagree , not every club would not have reacted the same , that's a massive generalisation . Some clubs have a win no matter what approach , most dont . To clarify my position , I like how kilcoo operate on the field Playing football , great buy in , great club pitches and for a small pick they work wonders . I'm the fartherest thing from anti kilcoo . I just think it was wrong , what club did it is irrelevant to me .

We agree on the rules and appeals thing though

You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.

You should leave it at point 1 . I've seen managers approach and abuse an official , In the wrong Completely , but it's 1 person losing the run of themselves , this was players , management and club officials. Let's see how the county board stands behind their official , time for a line to be drawn in the sand .

[Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour]

Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour . There is no excuse ever for that spectacle .

I'm sure Paul would be the first to admit he made a mistake after the game on the time when he reflects on it , but to be surrounded by half a dozen players and officials is bound to be a scary situation . To be fair to one of the kilcoo men , the chairman I think , he seemed to be trying to get his members away from Paul . He made a mistake , he's human . If a player makes a mistake do his team members surround him and give him grief after the fact ... no they don't . We need referees , no games take place without them . Paul made one error , the time . The overturning the line ball was a decision he should be complimented for because it was THE RIGHT CALL 🙄. Yes Some 50/50 decisions went against kilcoo , Such is the game . Get over it and take ur medicine and come back better

Are you not a Glenn man?

I'm used to GAA folk who can combine a short memory and a burning passion to convince themselves of anything. But you should probably wait another couple of seasons before throwing stones from your greenhouse.

I am and unlike you I'm saying these scenes have no place in our game . There is no justification for having a volunteer fearing his safety , none ....ever .

Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour . There is no excuse ever for that spectacle .

I'm sure Paul would be the first to admit he made a mistake after the game on the time when he reflects on it , but to be surrounded by half a dozen players and officials is bound to be a scary situation . To be fair to one of the kilcoo men , the chairman I think , he seemed to be trying to get his members away from Paul . He made a mistake , he's human . If a player makes a mistake do his team members surround him and give him grief after the fact ... no they don't . We need referees , no games take place without them . Paul made one error , the time . The overturning the line ball was a decision he should be complimented for because it was THE RIGHT CALL 🙄. Yes Some 50/50 decisions went against kilcoo , Such is the game . Get over it and take ur medicine and come back better

Some of the knee jerk reaction stuff on here makes you wonder if some have an actual clue .

Im far from a big Down fan but todays game looked like a very experimental side getting used to a new system and generally to a man working fairly hard. There are nailed on starters in Maginn, Darren o Hagan, Harrison, Mc Kernan , Donnelly , Mooney and possibly Reid to come back in when they are fit enough/rested enough.  Thats half a team

Tally and co are doing exactly what they were tasked with doing , trying to unearth new talent by trying the best in the county who want to play and implementing a system of play which makes Down hard to beat .

Havern , Wells , A McClements , Mc Aleenan and Mason have all stepped up so far imo . Pd and Mc Kibbon too , The league will tell the tale better as it will probably be a fairly set team with minimal changes weekly.

Give the team and management a summer then decide . Its a marathon to get Down anywhere, anyone who expected quick results is completely deluded 

Lot of bickering recently on here about Kilcoo , I for one admire them but they are there to be shot at, question for everyone, who are the only two teams from division two to contest SFC finals and what were the outcomes.
Any word on the new Down manager? Dublin hold the ball tactics, would not like to see that spread to other teams, it was horrible to watch but shows how far they are ahead, can't see them being stopped, would love to see Dublin and Kilcoo both toppled but who knows .

Pretty sure loughinisland was one of them and they lost

Too many players not enough coaches or facilities to accommodate them players , Burren needs split in two 

Elk in case you did not notice but they beat Saval. I'll repeat that again SAVAL.

They are beating all the wee clubs this year 

I think smurfy should be the next down manager. With his brother as main coach, his sister as physio and his psychiatrist as water boy.

This made me lol

Or you could put it like this
One was very poor all year
The other was black carded after not touching the ball against Donegal
And the other was decent against a brutal team like Cavan

I engaged an idiot , my bad

That's why Down are shite picking from to many white teams.Glenn being that too represented teams tells its own story.And I don't normally agree with Jim

This whole thread is most likely a wind up but that being said , of the 3 players in question , one is the captain, one is developing into one of the most consistent players down have and the third was Downs best player in the last game and still only his second season on the panel. Them players are there on merit and deservedly so. Think before you speak Smurfy

Great game in Kilcoo last night between our county's two top clubs. There is not much between the two at the end of the season.
I heard their was trouble in the Bridge last night?

Top 2 lol , that's clutching . Second place is just another name for the first loser

Have to say I agree with wobbler on this for a few reasons, The development squad system is massively flawed,

These are suppossed to be development squads , the key word being develop. The main way to develop an underage player is with a ball in my opinion , i'm not sure how much actual ball time players would get in a session containing 45 lads. Small sided games with half that amount at training would be a much better idea , if that means splitting the session so be it .

Secondly its mainly the same players trotted off each year, yes some may be supremly talented in their club but others are sent year after year by the same manager who has had the same team in the club for x number of years. That happens in most clubs .

A much better system would be to coach the club coaches more . Put the time wasted on development squads into sending the  "elite" coaches who are obviously heading up these squads around the clubs week after week and improve club coaching so that every player is getting the benefit of that level of training.

[Did Down have a shot at goal?]

Cork were not much better?

They could have scored another 2 goals
Did Down have a shot at goal?

Cork won ever long kickouts
Cork midfielders run through at ease time and time again

Murray and Adams train the team from what I hear
With the quality Down have on the pitch it's hard to explain so many poor performances under Burns
1 big win against Monaghan does not cut it for me I look at the bigger picture and his tenure to date has been diabolical to say the least.When will the county board wake up and smell the coffee here

Ill answer that with an earlier post from you .......

Mooney 8 Downs best player went direct and could have had a goal good game

smh

Glenn must be some team

They have won as much as Burren lately