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Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.

There's no Galway or Kerry players who I would consider a dirty player.

You don't watch Kerry that much then
They are extremely cynical and have always been
But given they aren't northern it's not flagged up.

Cynical fouling to prevent a quick attack, yes, but by dirty I presume he means sly punches to the head, eye-gouging, dropping a knee onto someone  on the ground's head, ....

Great day of football - few thoughts:
We were not good and still arent firing on all cylilnders. We are wide open at the back and Westmeath were unfortunate not to take anything from the game
Canavan was excellent - if McCurry & him gel in a game we will outscore most teams
I am still uncertain about our management - we dont seem to be able to change anything during the game - if we win we win. If we are playing shit we will play shit until the end of the game
Armagh player punching a Kelly once he fell after the penalty incident has to be reviewed - if Cavan Joe had saw that he would have given a red
Armagh free was questionable at the end - no more than that as we have all seen them given
Galway free was a certainty after a brain fart by the Armagh defender but the whistle should have been blown before then

Last point - how did no one on the entire Mayo backroom team get a message to Aidan to kick the ball over the bar to guarantee second place? Do the players even know what the possible outcomes are? Madness and one which will probably put Mayo out of the race for Sam

I'm fairly certain O'Shea went for a point.

Yeah, two aspects tell me he was going for a point.
1. If they were needing a goal surely O'Shea would be in the square
2. Players and coaches surely know at this stage that kicks into the square from a free give you virtually no chance of a goal - you should play a quick pass and then fire it in (or have some other plan).

Can anyone from Mayo, particularly on the coaching staff say with a straight face that O'Shea is a good candidate to take a vital free from 35 yards out with time almost up?
I thought he was on free taking duties for the easy ones just to boost his confidence. There's about 10 players better at taking frees than Aidan O'Shea on that Mayo squad, no? He's scored 44 points in 14 years of playing with Mayo, he's clearly not a point scorer of note.

Jack O'Connor v Mickey Harte, Round 3.
1-1 so far.

if cork take a hammering from mayo and louth beat kerry say by 2 points would  kerry not get third on better point difference than cork.

If Kerry lose by 2 and Cork lose by 5 and Kerry outscore Cork by 4, (or outscore by 3 but outscore in no. of goals by 1) Kerry get 3rd.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/13/jim-mcguinness-the-football-championship-should-be-raw-knockout-football-not-this/

The Tailteann Cup is a really strong competition for developing counties, because extra games in the group stages against counties of a similar standard are exactly what those teams need.
But the same number of games are not needed in the Sam Maguire, in my opinion. It would be better served with a round of 16 that does not involve any group format, but rather after the provincials we would move straight to a knockout All-Ireland championship.

Not sure Seafoid.

We'd all, or mostly all agree, that the National League is the right place for all counties to find out where they're at and where they need to improve. I don't think that's any different for a D1 team or a D4 team. So adding in a variant of the same doesn't do much more than prolong a season, in most cases, unnecessarily so.

I'd be veering towards this system:

Home and away league games, starting in January. No playoffs, no finals.

No provincial championships.

Top 6 in D1 and top 2 in D1 go to the AI.

Top 6 in D3 and top 2 in D4 go the Tailteann.

Seeded round robin (neutral venue) 4 team groups in both comps. Top 2 in each group make their respective semi finals.

Every team gets 14 games at their own level, and the early departures are back with their clubs by end of May.

The finalists play 19 games. All run off over 24-26 weeks, all done for end of July.

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Save for a team having a lifetime league campaign, then apart from the bottom few teams in D4, the league has an incentive until the final week.

Provincials are 50% a waste of time at present and have no future.

Tying league to championship is the right way. Creating back doors into championship is not.

This makes sense.

I think the Tailteann works because it gives more matches to the weaker counties (plus Meath).
So I wouldn't change it.
the question is what to do with the Sam Maguire. Separating it from the Provincials means no Sligo etc.
The next question is how many matches do they need .

Sam Maguire should be top 14 League.
Top 2 in Div 3 and Div 4 playoff for final 2 spots.
Provincial winners usurp the top 14 league if not already in top 14.
No spot for Provincial runners up or Tailteann Cup.

Everyone gets a shot at Sam.

There has been some discussion of venues of late, but on what planet is Kilkenny a good neutral venue for Kerry v Kildare minors?
The minor game wasn't going to get a huge crowd, a good club ground actually somewhere in Tipperary would be sufficed. Perhaps the TV coverage wanted this venue?

The fact that the Kildare seniors nominated Kilkenny as their home venue v Dublin certainly didn't help the optics either.

Interesting minor Championship. Derry and Monaghan are on similar levels and were way ahead of Connaught. So is Ulster extremely strong or is Connaught extremely weak?
Kerry and Dublin are probably on a par based on their performances v Kildare and Cork.
Kerry are improving game on game but will need a huge improvement to beat Monaghan.
I feel it'll be a Derry-Monaghan All-Ireland final

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/david-gough-i-then-have-to-go-and-listen-to-him-on-radio-1-changing-his-argument-i-found-that-very-difficult/a842123657.html

Was talking to someone the other night about the black card one, is that for all games now or just inter County? Assuming if it's being applied in championship then it isn't just being trialled like they normally do?

This rule has been in place at inter county level for a while now and has not been introduced at club level (I take it its the black card/goal opportunity one) but that doesn't stop the clampits supporters behind the fence, managers/coaches inside the fence and the players calling for it nearly every game!!

Gough is taking crap. How can it be a goal scoring opportunity if there are still 2 defenders in the way of the attacker.

Paudie Clifford was wide open in the centre.
As Gough explained, goal scoring opportunity means the team had a goalscoring opportunity, not necessarily the individual fouled.

3 provincial finalists and Westmeath prop up the tables after 2 rounds

https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2023/6342/tables/

The alternative would have seen Clare, Sligo and Westmeath replaced with Meath, Cavan and Fermanagh.

I'm beginning to think Proposal B would have made for a much better and more interesting competition.

Kerry haven't looked this bad in consecutive championship appearances since their games against Cork and Sligo in 2009...

This is a good one from Dublin club football.

Division 2 league game in which Ciaran Archer was sent off (was one of Dublin's better players at his age group at minor and U20, not on the senior panel this year).

He was sent off for the incident below (Indo also has this video up on their report I believe)

https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1664581042282328065

In his report, the ref described it as an assault and said he suffered a rib injury.

Archer duly got the maximum suspension of 96 weeks for an assault on a referee.

Thankfully the video evidence surfaced, Archer appealed, and was cleared (although had to miss 2 games during the appeals process). It was judged to have been more likely to be accidental.

That video looks like it was done up by someone with an AI tool that's the video equivalent of ChatGPT.

Roscommon's 6 minute possession is surely the last straw before a rule change at next year's congress.
The most obvious answer is either a shot clock like in basketball or a limited number of possessions like in American Football/Rugby League. For shot clock, some time between 60 and 90 seconds, for possessions ~15.
I'm sure the GAA will come up with an alternative solution that they'll mess up such as a limited number of backward passes or disallow passes into your own half.
For possessions or shot clock, it would need to be tasked with someone else besides the ref to monitor. 2 umpires perhaps?

So the Rossie's get competitive in Croker and now ye want a shot clock😂  not much point taking a shot if your
80 mtrs from the opposition goal and imagine how long it would take for coaches to organise a system to keep the team in possession at bay until the clock runs down. No one was calling for a shot clock when the dubs were playing it over and back on the 45mtr line against Tyrone in the 2017 all Ireland semi or in the final that year against Mayo when they ran down the clock at the end of the game. Game management was the buzz word or was it brilliant game management. Those are just 2 instances of hundreds but when the Rossie's dared to do it then time for a rule change. Our super 8 game against the dubs a few years ago we scored 2-16 but conceded 4-24, we were a laughing stock after that game but now we're wrecking the beautiful game😎 tough s... lads,
We are Ros. 😎😎

Actually I have been looking for a rule change since the possession game went mainstream.
Every team does it so don't be so precious thinking this is anti-Roscommon.
I'd be happy for my own team to do it for the last 15 min of an All-Ireland final to maintain a 1 point lead, but I would prefer it restricted in some way.

The main thing is that there has to be a change ,whether its shot clock, backward passes, possessions, etc.
I guess you can't have a vote in Congress to just change and the change be decided in due course?
You'd need to have the specifics of what the change will be?

Could have lots of different factions opting for different solutions so whichever one gets picked for the vote won't be unanimous and so the 2/3rds majority would be difficult to achieve.

I know its been discussed before, but what were the draw backs to not being allowed to cross back in to your own half? I thought that might be the easiest rule change to trial first.

Would work. Might lead to a lot of tactical fouls of players once they enter the opposition's half. I guess they could leave free kicks exempt.

[Defending team will all rush back to defend the scoring zone]

A shot clock will just turn the game into basketball then. Defending team will all rush back to defend the scoring zone
Plus the clock in basketball is clearly visible for all players and is independent of the referees

That's basically what happens in Gaelic Football now anyway, bar the equivalent of a full-court press on some kickouts.

Roscommon's 6 minute possession is surely the last straw before a rule change at next year's congress.
The most obvious answer is either a shot clock like in basketball or a limited number of possessions like in American Football/Rugby League. For shot clock, some time between 60 and 90 seconds, for possessions ~15.
I'm sure the GAA will come up with an alternative solution that they'll mess up such as a limited number of backward passes or disallow passes into your own half.
For possessions or shot clock, it would need to be tasked with someone else besides the ref to monitor. 2 umpires perhaps?