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What way does relegation work if teams tied on points. Is it point difference or does it go on head to head. Carey Armoy and Randlestown will be sweating it out on the last day. Carey have the best points difference at the moment but play table topping St Johns while Armoy and Randlestown go head to head

If teams finish on even points it's the head to head results.

If Randalstown and Carey lose on last day - Randalstown go down.
If Armoy and Carey lose - Carey go down.
If the three teams draw and Glenariffe lose then that's 4 teams on 11 points and they'll need Fibonacci to carry out the calculations.

I would say only a matter of time until they are a force again. Might be sooner than we think.

Definitely. Can't deny them it as they put the work in. They've good coaches throughout the club. Could they win it this year?

I think it's possible.

Anyone at st johns dunloy? I know dunloy won but haven't even seen the score?

I was well impressed with Dunloy. They are strong from 1 to 15. They clocked up a big score (2.25 or something like that). They'll beat Ballycastle with plenty to spare. They could be very close this year.

Paid into intermediate and Senior games today which I'm happy to do. Going in to Cushendal the gate man laughed and joked with 5 individuals in front of me then let them in free. I was next and asked him was I getting in free too? He tried to bullshit me but I was having none of it. Give him a serious mouthful. I hate handing them my cash with no receipt or accountability. Absolute crook!!

All officials were wearing ear pieces so possibly the umpires called the penalty?

Umpire shouldn't be calling a penalty in my book, (not actually 100% on that) probably let the ref know if it was inside the box but not actually call a penalty

Think that's right. He can ask an umpire's advice. He had made the decision himself though from 70m after a quick/huge puckout. He signaled for it as he reached the halfway line. In my opinion he shouldn't be making calls from that distant - then again what would I know.

not long home.  have to say i actually feel bad for rossa. Far better team on the night.  embarrassing from the ref,  we showed fight but the ref 100% kept the town in the game.  Connolly won countless ball and was fouled countless times. i was standing amongst dunloy ones who couldn't believe there eyes at some of his calls. regardless a win is a win. the circus that is Ballycastle senior hurlers 2017 rolls on for another couple of weeks.  All the hard men with the blinkers on that didn't want to listen  where's Saul? 

Saul left the group.   

Rossa were the better team. The penalty at the end won the game for Ballycastle.

In the 1st minute of the game the referee done Gavin Bell for leaving the small square for a puckout. That set the tone for the evening. Peculiar!!

Just back from Dunloy and not a bad night for hurling but a poor night for "skinny". As an impartial observer who just wanted to see two good matches to say it was disappointing would be an understatement. First match was a non-contest and in the 2nd match Rossa must be gutted because 99% of the spectators at that game knew that wasn't a penalty. Even the Dunloy spectators were embarrassed to say the least and were laughing at some of the decisions.   As for young Connolly bei I think I must have been watching a different game.  Scored a couple of cracking points but  that was it- he could change a game but It doesn't happen.  Unfortunately for Rossa.

He seemed to want the game to be all about him - James Connolly won 7 high balls as clean catches and scored 3/4 points second half from play. He was the stand out player.

JJ - I might be wrong but I'm not sure umpires can call penalty. I don't think they can.

Last minute penalty by ballycastle to win it.

The ref called penalty from 70m away - controversial. I would have thought he shouldn't be guessing what happened and therefore shouldn't have called penalty.

Fair play to Ballycastle. Rossa dominated possession in the 2nd half but their full forward line offered little. James Connolly was excellent - best player on the pitch even though he didn't start. Though once Ballycastle knew every puck out was going to him it was easy to foil.

Dunloy have improved a fair bit this season and St John's are just ok so I could see Dunloy winning with a bit to spare. Rossa v Ballycastle is probably going to be the tie of the round. With Ciaran Clarke and Saul McCaughan up front you've always a chance even with lots missing. Sarsfields also play St. Galls this weekend and that could go either way.

Its horrible at juvenile level, I took our 12's for 4 years and I know what its like, kids are hanging on your coat tails looking games following you around and you're trying to win the match, plus you've the parents down and they are sorta huffing too.. Me personally I never really had that problem as I generally had just about a team every week! But it doesn't change at senior lol!! feckers still gurning at me for not putting them on!

Some of the lads really pushed on and have been county players some drifted off altogether... Country teams have it harder as in playing for the parish and I wouldn't be one for telling you to move him to a neighbouring parish as that brings a shit storm again, but losing out on the game that he loves is also pish!

Ive ref'd a few tournaments lately were subs were mandatory you couldn't start a second half without putting on your subs... why not bring this into play at under 12 and under 14

This is a good debate. To be honest most clubs I've seen nowadays are trying hard in a variety of ways to get all kids on the pitch. As you say different clubs have different problems with regards this issue.

I'm just of the opinion that at the younger juvenile levels all kids should get game time and never worry about a stupid trophy. It's very short sighted to win at the cost of losing a few kids possibly.

Agree, this is the kinda debate that is needed on this board from time to time.

I've started to take my nephew to a few of his soccer blitzes recently, the rule applies that if you start 1 game then you can't start the next. There is squad of 15 Un10/Un11s who go home happy each week and the numbers are thriving right through the age groups.

I watched a few young lads in my own club suffer by not getting games and throwing the head up and leaving, in turn good families who did a powerful amount of work for the club have been lost.

Thriving numbers ....now you're talking. That's exactly what's needed. I think parents are a lot more informed nowadays and should select a club with an ethos that is attractive to them.

They went to a blitz last season in Derry City, the club bought sausages rolls and tea/coffee for parents during the morning and sponsored a meal for parents/players alike on the way home. Wee things like that, possibly a big financial outlay at the time but its reflects kindly on the club.

Think the stuff that goes on off the pitch is every bit as important. Anyway thanks for contributions from everyone. This was a constructive debate.

What club is this hurlingstick. I'm sure of parents spoke to they managers they would maybe give them the reason as to why they are not getting much game time .

I don't think that would be fair to the club/management involved. The conversation with management has been had/will be had. It's sensitive as at the end of the day they're volunteers. I think it's something the club in question need to look at within themselves. The club's structures are very poor.

Its horrible at juvenile level, I took our 12's for 4 years and I know what its like, kids are hanging on your coat tails looking games following you around and you're trying to win the match, plus you've the parents down and they are sorta huffing too.. Me personally I never really had that problem as I generally had just about a team every week! But it doesn't change at senior lol!! feckers still gurning at me for not putting them on!

Some of the lads really pushed on and have been county players some drifted off altogether... Country teams have it harder as in playing for the parish and I wouldn't be one for telling you to move him to a neighbouring parish as that brings a shit storm again, but losing out on the game that he loves is also pish!

Ive ref'd a few tournaments lately were subs were mandatory you couldn't start a second half without putting on your subs... why not bring this into play at under 12 and under 14

This is a good debate. To be honest most clubs I've seen nowadays are trying hard in a variety of ways to get all kids on the pitch. As you say different clubs have different problems with regards this issue.

I'm just of the opinion that at the younger juvenile levels all kids should get game time and never worry about a stupid trophy. It's very short sighted to win at the cost of losing a few kids possibly.

Agree, this is the kinda debate that is needed on this board from time to time.

I've started to take my nephew to a few of his soccer blitzes recently, the rule applies that if you start 1 game then you can't start the next. There is squad of 15 Un10/Un11s who go home happy each week and the numbers are thriving right through the age groups.

I watched a few young lads in my own club suffer by not getting games and throwing the head up and leaving, in turn good families who did a powerful amount of work for the club have been lost.

Thriving numbers ....now you're talking. That's exactly what's needed. I think parents are a lot more informed nowadays and should select a club with an ethos that is attractive to them.

Its horrible at juvenile level, I took our 12's for 4 years and I know what its like, kids are hanging on your coat tails looking games following you around and you're trying to win the match, plus you've the parents down and they are sorta huffing too.. Me personally I never really had that problem as I generally had just about a team every week! But it doesn't change at senior lol!! feckers still gurning at me for not putting them on!

Some of the lads really pushed on and have been county players some drifted off altogether... Country teams have it harder as in playing for the parish and I wouldn't be one for telling you to move him to a neighbouring parish as that brings a shit storm again, but losing out on the game that he loves is also pish!

Ive ref'd a few tournaments lately were subs were mandatory you couldn't start a second half without putting on your subs... why not bring this into play at under 12 and under 14

This is a good debate. To be honest most clubs I've seen nowadays are trying hard in a variety of ways to get all kids on the pitch. As you say different clubs have different problems with regards this issue.

I'm just of the opinion that at the younger juvenile levels all kids should get game time and never worry about a stupid trophy. It's very short sighted to win at the cost of losing a few kids possibly.

A juvenile is always a sub in matches. Fair enough as there are better players and that's how life works. The child's team win a game by 20+ points and the child got to play for the last 60 seconds.

What would you do if this was your child?

Surely that's down to the management and their judgement? Best thing to do is never get involved over management selection... Winning by 20 points or winning by 1 some managers see value in getting 60 minutes regardless how the game is going out of their best team

You don't think it's a bit harsh on a young child?

Its harsh on any kid, and I'm not saying its right, but pulling him from the team wont develop him either, as skull says keep him working at it and who knows how he'll develop.. is he a full minor/under 16/under 14/ under 12 player? i.e has he another year at that age group?

2nd year of U14 so as you know MR if struggling to make the team in your second year it's going to be tough. Kid practises every day, hurl never out of hand and loves the game. I have to say i always empty the bench in juvenile hurling but hey, what do I know?

Was that in LG on Saturday
We where over and everyone got a run out at least 1 full match + another half over three matches
We had 6 subs
We where never in the hunt for winning the thing so that makes it easier I suppose
That Rossa team has some smashing hurlers
The lad at no8 he's a rolls Royce

It wasn't the tournament you're referring to .....but what you're saying here is the way I'd agree with.  Certainly if you get to a semi or final go and try and win it. Outside of that - every child should play.

I think something that has been overlooked here is that the ego of some insecure adults can get in the way of doing what's right/best long term. What I mean is they have to be seen to be winning at whatever cost.

A juvenile is always a sub in matches. Fair enough as there are better players and that's how life works. The child's team win a game by 20+ points and the child got to play for the last 60 seconds.

What would you do if this was your child?

Surely that's down to the management and their judgement? Best thing to do is never get involved over management selection... Winning by 20 points or winning by 1 some managers see value in getting 60 minutes regardless how the game is going out of their best team

You don't think it's a bit harsh on a young child?

Its harsh on any kid, and I'm not saying its right, but pulling him from the team wont develop him either, as skull says keep him working at it and who knows how he'll develop.. is he a full minor/under 16/under 14/ under 12 player? i.e has he another year at that age group?

2nd year of U14 so as you know MR if struggling to make the team in your second year it's going to be tough. Kid practises every day, hurl never out of hand and loves the game. I have to say i always empty the bench in juvenile hurling but hey, what do I know?