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[certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history]

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

I've never jumped all over it referring to Sinn Fein's history in my life.

Ok. Just as well I wasn't referring to you.

[Did they lie and lie and lie and then apologise when there was no other option?]

Amazing reactions to a gesture of reconciliation, given the week that's in it.

A true gesture of reconciliation would be for her to apologise for her army murdering Aidan Mc Anespie and the many other GAA members the British Army murdered over the years . I wonder will




Cooney&Co even explain to her why the Hogan Stand is called the Hogan Stand?

When are the lads in Sinn Féin going to apologise?

For the death of Michael Hogan? Never.

Did the IRA apologise to all it's victims' families? Yes.

Has Britain done so? No.

Did they lie and lie and lie and then apologise when there was no other option? The disappeared being an obvious example.

Yes

Not too sure how I'd feel to see her in Croke park tbh. I prob wouldn't be over the moon so I'll do my best to ignore it.

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

[It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters]

Tragic.  The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing.  There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'

Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards

You can put in as many rolly eyes as you like, but there is little doubt the big powers only take an interest when it's a country with natural resources. They look after themselves,anything after that is by the way

It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters. For me these countries will be having the wars for years and need no help from anyone. they will sort themselves out, slowly I'm sure.

Foreign meddling never works out, only causes more hatred, more suicide bombers another 9/11

So true. So people just want to make sure and give a dig regardless of what the US do. And then they'd be the first to give of if someone tried to defend the US over something.

sure just get mummy and daddy to pay the whole whack and it'll save you the bother of all them appointments

Nice to see your out of retirement.
Mammy and daddy don't have any money!!

TBH don't have that many other costs. Freeview does me for the telly and don't go to a gym. The club training does that.
I'm on a contract with the phone but it's not costing a fortune and would use it for work. Have given up the going out as well at the minute.

Hopefully it might sort itself out. Have meetings set up with a couple of banks and meeting a mortgage adviser shortly as well.

Just wondering do Guarantors make any difference these days with regards to Mortgage amount. Luckly my parents are still around and they own land. They wouldn't have ready cash that they could lend me or anything but have said they would be happy enough doing this if it made a difference. Still think the best way would be to incorporate the loan into the mortgage and just have the one payment rather than two. I know I'll be paying more back in the long run but needs must and all that.

Cheers for the advise people.

Hoping to get something sorted in the next week or so. the interest only might be the best option.

Also just wondering my mortgage is finished now. If one isn't agreed before the start of next month what happens?

Well the recession is really starting to kick in. Built a house on our farm land a few years ago. Mortgage taken for £120k. It's down now to bout £115k or so.  Also have a £10k loan with the bank. Mortgage up for renewal now.
Am self employed. And work has taken a bad dip. Struggling with payments for the mortgage and the loan. Now the mortgage is jumping up aswell.   
Selling the house would be a last resort as it's on our farm land ( that's if it could be sold to begin with!!)
so just wondering if anyone has any advise that may help? Considered taking out £10k more on the mortgage to clear the loan but as the value of the house has dropped don't think this will be an option now. 

Unfortunately staying within the confines of the law didn't stop the British army.

Whataboutary. In fact it's worse than that. It sounds like your trying to justify state murder because of    paramiltary murders.

Your mask is now around your feet.

People who try and defend a gear grinder. The whole point of the tread is that there doesn't have to be logical reasons. It just has to get on your wick.

Plastic wrapped products that are nearly impossible to open without taking a hatchet to them! 

[greenday are probably the best of the modern bands and they barely rank beside the likes of bon jovi]

music in the usa definitely has a lot more guitars involved, greenday are probably the best of the modern bands and they barely rank beside the likes of bon jovi,whitesnake etc.  i have a few friends big into rock and they play bars but the rock stuff goes over the heads of the younger crowd.

This made me laugh, Bon Jovi is for people with zero taste in anything.

I always get a laugh out of music snobbery. People trying to be cool by rubbishing something mainstream.

Yes, Moloney has a 'history' with the Republican movement, in much the same way as Nally Stand has a 'history' with the British Army.  Is Moloney going to be allowed to express his 'agenda-driven' thoughts on the matter, like we're expected to allow Nally Stand to do?

I'd expect both NS and Moloney to be allowed to express their opinions. But i'd also expect that people would be allowed to challange them if they disagree.

A great post by Ed Moloney 
http://thebrokenelbow.com/

Sinn Fein would have to grow and develop – and be led – like a normal political party. The problem for Sinn Fein is that it is not a normal political party. It came to life as an offshoot of the IRA and it continues to behave, particularly in the way it handles its internal affairs, as an offshoot of the IRA, where obedience to an all-controlling leadership comes before all else.
The symptoms of this were visible in the years after the 2007 electoral setback with a series of resignations from party ranks in both parts of Ireland – perhaps twenty in all – and most damagingly in Dublin. Perhaps the most telling of these was the defection of Dublin councillor Killian Forde to the Labour Party in January 2010, a rising star who many predicted would go far. He chose his words carefully when he resigned but their import was unmistakable:

"The leadership of the party appeared to not recognise or were unwilling to accept that changes are long overdue. These changes were essential to transform the party into one that values discussions, accommodates dissent and promotes merit over loyalty and obedience. It is only logical that if you disagree with the direction of the party and are unable to change it there is no option but to leave."

He didn't put a name to the problem but we all know who he was talking about. Last week Gerry Adams was chosen as leader of the new, expanded Sinn Fein group in the Dail, replacing the dull but dependable Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. He was picked for the job in the same way as Sadam Hussein was in Iraq, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Josef Stalin in Soviet Russia, with no rival or dissent worthy of the name and success absolutely assured. His selection has to be ratified by the Sinn Fein Ard Comhairle and it surely will be, as all his wishes have been.

Great post my eye. It could be completely reversed by someone who wanted to defend SF. They could highlight the strong leadership, lack of friction between members etc as a strength of SF.

Then to link Hussein, Mubarak and Stalin with SF on such a weak point just looks agenda driven.

[Also the Old IRA, Die Hards and National Army while committing heinous acts, their raison d'etre was defeat of the enemy as opposed to the Provos which seemed to be death, destruction and terror]

The IRA waged a campaign against the guards?

The Guards were legitimate targets, if you want to be precise

Who is doing yoir research for you?
IRA Vols were forbidden from engaging in any form of confrontation with the Guards and did not regard them as legitimate targets.

So when unarmed Guards died, that was just one of those things

It's a long way from the IRA "waging war" on the Gardaí isn't it though? And it's no more "one of those things" than unarmed victims of the Old IRA were "one of those things" when looked through the rose tinted glasses of the Mayo's of this world.

Does not legitimise it in one way, however that was the 1920's and this is 2011. You are not comparing like with like, not becasue of the activities of the Old or Provisional IRA (despite the Provos caused alot more civilian deaths) but due to the fact you would find it hard to find a FG or FF member who was involved in terrorism, I'm not so sure it would be as difficult with Sein Féin.

Also the Old IRA, Die Hards and National Army while committing heinous acts, their raison d'etre was defeat of the enemy as opposed to the Provos which seemed to be death, destruction and terror. The Provos claimed to fight for a cause, but to most people outside the rose tinted Provo family it came across as hate fueled mayhem.

But again, why are the people of the 26 counties accused by our northern cousins of living in the past, when it is clearly the people of the 6 who are obsessed about events that happened nearly a century ago. Of course I must be a Blueshirt facist because in the ever so recent 1930's  a tiny tiny tiny minority of one of the many groups that went on to form Fine Gael indulged in childish Roman salutes in an ex-army association set up to defend desenters against IRA mobs who attacked political rallies of those that dare disagree with them, while Dev used the National Army to protect his party followers and left the rest at the mercy of the RA.

I'd say it was the above highlighted line that got NS back up. As the majority of attacks were on the British security forces it could be argued that they were equally as involved at defeating the enemy as the "old IRA". Therefore it would be hard to accept the acts of one  and not the other.