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Well done to the Rangers. Celtic lack of investment in recent years came back to haunt them.

Michael Owen 🙈🙈 The Dessie Dolan of soccer commentators.

Is Klopp in danger of getting the sack?

Have you drink taken posting that?

Everton getting a lot of favourable decisions this year from referees.  The challenge on Darragh O'Shea by Calvert  Lewin was disgraceful. Probably too honest staying up. If challenge was on Richarlison prob rolled around 100 times 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Great spot by linesman.

Another clean sheet for Everton.  Third in a row now. Calvert Lewin should have got the line for challenge on oshea

[We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games.]

We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!

Since the Qualifiers came in Leinster falling into a quagmire wasn't too serious.
Now that the AI has sunk its a different story but the GAA top brass are still ignoring it, helped by various media useful eejits and needy Co and Provincial Chairs.

You write plenty of about in your Sunday Indo columns Colm ...🙄🙄

What's Jim at now? On reflection he totally lost the run of himself. Did well to get that role with Celtic but then wanted to get more into a coaching role for ground ball. Some ego on him to think he could go in at professional level soccer coaching having never played himself. He'd have been safer taking on a county role or sticking with the line of work he was employed for at Celtic.

He struck when the iron was hot, made some money, had some life experiences (possibly denied by his GAA playing days?).

I think you'll see him back soon, when Dublin show signs of slowing down he'll be cute enough to put his name forward.

Mcguinness record since Donegals win has very much Shown he was right person right place right time . He spotted that an all Ireland could be won by destroying the game and he go his Win but that a one off trick and people were on to him straight away  and the shameful 2013 exit is proof of that

2013 wasn't a failure of Donegal's tactics, it was a failure of motivation, the Donegal players were punch drunk

In 2014 they beat Dublin

McGuinness hasn't managed since

What McGuinness had apart from tactical know how is a messianic quality that made players believe, what Klopp has had over the last few years

Only the very best have that combination

Actually Donegal's decline in 2013 and Liverpool's decline now bear distinct similarities

Harte had that in 2003 but it waned over the years

Mick O'Dwyer had the messianic quality in spades but less of the tactical know as the years went by

If McGuinness came back to Gaelic football he might not have that same messianic quality

Was Rory Gallagher still a selector in 2013?

[and it sounds like something really wasn't right out in Carolina and that he has some kind of NDA to make sure he keeps his money.]

Listened to his interview with Joe Molloy and it sounds like something really wasn't right out in Carolina and that he has some kind of NDA to make sure he keeps his money.

He'll be able to defend himself for that and put his best foot forward in whatever interview he goes for I would think LoI or Irish League or something like that could work out for him.

That is par for the course in any professional sport when you get the road.

I reckon McGuiness would get a LOI job no bother if he wanted it, but there is still a few more branches to grab on the professional circuit before he goes to LOI surely - that's one that will always be there for him now, someone, somewhere will always take a gamble.

Really? He's had one managerial job that lasted 15 games at a small club in a pretty low paid, semi-professional league that is, at very best, of a similar standard to the LOI.

And he made a complete balls of it.

Why would that experience land him a LOI job 'no bother'?

Just for additional reference, a larger team in the same division as Charlotte is managed by a Scottish fella called Stephen Glass. His previous job to that appointment was as an assistant coach in the LOI.

And that's before you even get into the suspicion and general enmity felt by many LOI types towards bogballers.

Stephen Glass that played with Newcastle Utd?

Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

The Dubs peak for late in the Championship too, and no one in Leinster has laid a glove on them or caused them to break sweat in more than ten years.

In recent years, no else outside of Mayo and Kerry has made them even sweat, and even then, they ALWAYS come through, with the comfort level mostly only increasing as time passes.

Kerry have that advantage later in championship for last 50 years. Mayo should have won 2015-17 games but for players picking the team and Cillian O'Connor missing vital frees. Kerry should have closed out 2019 game the first day.

Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for.

OK John, where should she investigate?

Speak to county board Colm..

I was at the 2004 Leinster final replay between Laois and Westmeath. Game was on a Saturday evening and the place was half full. Or as the GAA seen it, the place was half empty. A Leinster final not involving Dublin was a disaster for the coffers. This replay made up for the shortcomings this time. But this could not happen every year. The GAA now had a huge stadium that needed filling. Vendors, Corporate Boxes, Premium seats, advertisements were not going to be sold with two tiny counties in a final! Little did I know as I watched Westmeath's David O'Shaughnessy lift the Delaney Cup that this was not the beginning, but we were about to see was an abrupt end.

That was 17 years ago.

🤣🤣🤣🤣  Had you drink taken when posted that? So your telling us Leinster council decided to give pump money after poor attendance at Leinster final replay?

[What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.]

What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?

Because, my good friend, that was the time the race to the bottom began and is still steadily gathering speed.
In the decade leading up to 2005, a total of 6 counties won the Leinster championship - a total of six out of twelve ain't bad by any reasonable standard.
Then in 2005, Dublin were the winners and with the exception of 2010, when Meath robbed Louth, the Dubs have been winners ever since. Why this amazing improvement in Dublin's form and the total collapse of any worthwhile challenge from any other Leinster county?
Damned if I know because it can't be money, can it?
The fact that the Sports Council began subventing money to the Dublin County Board around 2005 must be purely coincidental as John Horan, Padraig Duffy, Paddy Teehan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all keep telling us and all of these gobshites hardworking, dedicated servants for the cause must know what they are talking about.
Either that or I am missing something...

Offaly won 97 as Meath had 4 lads suspended after the  3 a row against Kildare. Kildare won 98 & 2000 with 3/4 imports.  Laois and Westmeath had the underage success to be fair but wouldn't have won titles at senior level without Paidi and Micko. Laois could achieved more but more interested in the high stool.

Yes we need more rule changes. Out of curiosity when's the last time any you lot kicked a ball?

Would agree with this but teams keeping 15 bodies win, lose or draw is the problem.