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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half

Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.

Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.

Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like

Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference

Still doesn't excuse another wrong call.

What about missing Moran knocking Cooper over off the ball before a point in the first half, not black carding AOS etc....or are missing calls that benefited Mayo not allowed

If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half

Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.

Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.

Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like

Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference

If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half

Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.

Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.

If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half

Last free in given was an awful call.

If Vaughan hadn't run into Kilkenny's back no free would have been given

Johnny Cooper with a full on dive. Trump woild call him a  cynical loser.

you mean after Moran crashed into him from behind?

Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?

I'd be asking myself the same question after beating Tyrone! Let's say Kerry are rubbish. Would you put your league final defeat down to seriously taking you taking your eye off the ball?

Dublin started training far later this season so weren't as up to the pace as Kerry and since the final have added Johnny Cooper, Jack McCaffrey, Con O'Callaghan to the team also which helps especially in defence.

At least the Dublin defence will get plenty of practice going up against an attack of Flynn, Connolly, McMenamon, Brogan, O'Gara, Costelloe in the AvB games which will prepare them better than Tyrone etc did before the final

Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.

Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??

But it's not that simple DUBSFORSAM1, as you know. I think the final will be like last years finals, physical and tight. Dublin are the better team IMO but not by enough to make it a straightforward win for them. If any team does win it comfortably it will be Dublin but Mayo have more seasoned, proven IC players than any county in Ireland outside of Dublin. I fully expect them to perform and push Dublin to the limits. With a bit of luck or players like COC or AOS delivering MOM performances they can certainly win.

Zulu but they are a team who've never won a national title, have lost to Galway, struggled with Derry, Cork, drew with Roscommon and Kerry (who everyone said were brutal in both games). It's like saying that Tyrone were going to trouble Dublin due to their performances this season. Have Mayo actually played a good game against a good team this season??

Dublin have Fitzsimmons in ahead of D Byrne, McCaffrey effectively replacing MDMA, Scully for Flynn, Mannion for Brogan and O'Callaghan for McMenamon so it's a stronger, faster and more mobile team this year. Mayo have effectively replaced Duran with Barret as their only change.

I can see Dublin starting as follows:

Kilkenny, O'Callaghan, Scully
Rock, Connolly, Mannion

Fitzsimmons to mark COC, Cooper on Moran with McMahon picking up a half forward and COS covering the fullbacks.

The lack of intensity from Tyrone yesterday was the most disappointing thing.

The goal for a start was as a result of Sludden overhitting a simple hand pass, Dublin breaking and McNamee making the most pathetic attempt you'd see to stop O'Callaghan. If you look at the contrast with Dublin yesterday, they were hunting in packs, they were checking runs and niggling at their markers, the rare time a man got into a dangerous area he was stopped fairly or unfairly, but he was stopped. There was none of that from Tyrone yesterday which made it all the more disappointing.

Tyrone this year have been retreating back and then hitting teams on the 45 and turning them over, today was disgraceful. Dublin were allowed work the ball into the 30 yard line without a glove on them. Andrews, Rock and Mannion etc were all allowed to win ball in there without a glove laid on them and the lack of pressure applied was baffling. Was it down to tactics of the players afraid of their lives of what Dublin could do to them. Probably a bit of both.

The mentality of the side was all wrong today. The tactics on the Dublin kickouts were disgraceful, when we went to push up on the kickouts we were still leaving a man completely unmarked in a pocket of space between midfield and half back. When you push up on kickouts you have to go man for man on everyone, we didn't - we left one guy free all the time.

Colm Cavanagh battled gallantly, took a few great scores but outside of that it was fairly bleak. A rethink is needed for sure.

What you are forgetting is that most Ulster teams don't have the following - 5/6 forwards who can score from play off either foot (ie Armagh have Clarke), they don't use the full width of the pitch and keep 3 forwards up front to ensure that the fullback line have to mark them out wide and they don't have players like McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton etc coming onto the ball at pace.

McNamee had only one choice which was to take O'Callaghan down and get a black card though.

As for the kick-outs you can only do that if you are happy to leave your fullback line 3 on 3 after the kickout with 40 yards of space in front of them.

Dublin played more defensive back in 2014 we could been seeing the first 5 in a row team here. learned their lesson the hard way

No they didn't. It was there lack of defensive shape which let Donegal run through them in the second half. They have have been playing a sweeper since that.

They are playing with their centre back playing defensively which doesn't mean playing a sweeper. It's not like moving a midfielder/forward back to defence

Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.

Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??

Mayo are very strong where Tyrone were very weak today.
If you let a team with decent forwards dominate the middle third and stroll up to your 45m line, you're on a hiding to nothing.
Dublin didn't have to defend today.
Mayo have demonstrated that they can physically go toe-to-toe with Dublin over 70 minutes.
Tyrone stood off Dublin and let them play.
Dublin will have to go up two gears in the final.
I'm not saying they won't be able to do that, I'm just saying that they are now massive favourites for the final.
That suits Mayo down to the ground.

Last year Mayo matched Dublin who weren't playing that well. This year I'm not sure they have the same ability with McCaffrey back and McCarthy  in the  middle.

I think if Cooper can take care of Andy Moran that will win the game for Dublin.

Indo

A Con O'Callaghan goal in the fifth minute set the tone for a totally dominant first-half performance by Dublin which surely spells the end of the blanket defence and possibly the managerial career of Tyrone boss Mickey Harte.

The end of the nihilism of the blanket would be welcome.

The blanket was what won it today for Dublin. 15 behind the 45 every time Tyrone went forward. Literally 15!

How then did Dublin miraculously have 4 player forward for the O'Callaghan goal then when Tyrone were attacking?