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100% right Chief. From the comments i heard NL was to be sacked only for the scum behaviour of the so called fans which is on par for the comments from a few on here who condone that behaviour. Dermot Desmond has basically said he will not bow down to that mob and he's right too but at the same time do not cut of your nose etc etc. 

Me bollix,.
What violence have you seen?  I've read of pressure being applied to a temporary fence, one angry fan and 3 officers with a minor ailment. 

Lennon should have resigned on sunday, he's a past hero now living inside a brain fart of his own creation  playing the mope card.
Where did this timidity come from?
This is a guy who played for NI while being booed by many or most of the crowd, who withstood  torrents of bigoted abuse all over Scotland year in year out and targeted  ugly abuse off the field. Now he plays the mope card when fans start shouting at him  to resign after he has presided over the worst run in Celtic post WW2. And clearly there's a disconnect not just between him and the players but the reality of being Celtic manager.

Angelo literally just said Lawell should up his security detail.

If I recall we all condemned the nonsense NL has had to put up with in the past, but now he's just being timid? Sounds like double standards.

To be clear, I think Lennon should go, I also think Lawell/Desmond were wrong not to sack him, but that shouldn't mean for a second that Lawell needs to up his security detail.

[he would want to be upping his security detail significantly]

So Lennon is not being sacked. This is quite frankly incredible.

There's no way Lawwell should or can see this out. He is now in the direct firing line over this and with the support as riled as they are he would want to be upping his security detail significantly. Lawwell is destroying this club.

Despicable thing to say

It's only a game

Why is despicable to say? Did you see the scenes on Sunday? That's only going to get worse when the board further insult the fans.

Don't think you know much about football or football in Glasgow. Tempers are festering and the fans are incredibly angry right now and Lawwell is rubbing their faces in it. You must be very naive or not know the behaviours of football fans very well.

Their anger or frustration doesn't excuse a damn thing, if they choose to express it with violence.

The fact that this is the "behaviour of football fans" doesn't excuse a damn thing either.

The fact that Glasgow is the location makes it no less despicable.

Anyone subscribing to that mindset should be kicked out the club and roundly ignored in terms of influencing decisions.

We were "all Neil Lennon" when we was being physically attacked because of his politics / religion, but now you equivocate when Celtic people may be be physically attacked over a bad run of form.

Despicable.

[he would want to be upping his security detail significantly]

So Lennon is not being sacked. This is quite frankly incredible.

There's no way Lawwell should or can see this out. He is now in the direct firing line over this and with the support as riled as they are he would want to be upping his security detail significantly. Lawwell is destroying this club.

Despicable thing to say

It's only a game

Bushmills - Black or Original - is the one for me.

Redbreast Lustau edition is a fair upgrade on Black Bush - although a good deal more expensive also.

As a standard bottle Black Bush is hard to look past

If only we could get polio, small pox etc etc back.....

Polio?

You're bringing Polio into it? Did you hear about or remember the Polio vaccine that paralysed people for life?

I really pit the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question on here:

Neil Lennon
Vaccines and Big Pharma

Did you hear about or remember about all the people Polio killed before a vaccine stopped that?

I really pity the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question or debate on here:

- The effectiveness of vaccines in improving mortality rates in the vast majority of cases
- The primacy of scientific process over amateurs with egos

So you're just going to remove the fact that an approved vaccine paralysed people for life?

Of course vaccines can help but they can also cause serious consequences, what is disappointing is that we have a group of vaccine fascists on here who are very dogmatic with people who are quite right to have concerns about the vaccines introduced here.

Discount? No

Put them in the larger context of the thousands of lives that have been saved? Yes.

Listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about in relation to these things? Yes

Berate people who are not experts but contradict qualified experts? Yes - their opinions deserve it

Are these the experts who's predictions to date and who's rules to date have been well, bollock.

No.

Thee vaccination experts neither made the lockdown rules nor made predictions about the potency of the virus. The former was politicians, the latter a mixture of epidemiologists and behavioural scientists for the most part.

The vaccinations experts are the same genre who have rid the world of several lethal diseases over the course of the last century or so, and helped vastly reduce the effects of many others.

I'm not surprised you hadn't clocked the difference. Your chemical engineer mate will probably be able to explain it to you though.

Again how many of the vaccinations experts have produced a mass rollout vaccination in 10 months, as I asked the other guy post a list can you ta.

So you concede vaccination experts haven't been talking "bollock" then? That's a start at least.

What is your obsession with the time frame? 10 months is acceptable if the testing is done over tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people in different countries, by different firms, across different demographics, with unlimited budget and when results are being published, peer reviewed, and run through several national approval processes.

We can't wait for decades to see "long term" issues as half of us will be dead by then - if not by Covid but by the passage of time. That surely is obvious...

If only we could get polio, small pox etc etc back.....

Polio?

You're bringing Polio into it? Did you hear about or remember the Polio vaccine that paralysed people for life?

I really pit the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question on here:

Neil Lennon
Vaccines and Big Pharma

Did you hear about or remember about all the people Polio killed before a vaccine stopped that?

I really pity the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question or debate on here:

- The effectiveness of vaccines in improving mortality rates in the vast majority of cases
- The primacy of scientific process over amateurs with egos

So you're just going to remove the fact that an approved vaccine paralysed people for life?

Of course vaccines can help but they can also cause serious consequences, what is disappointing is that we have a group of vaccine fascists on here who are very dogmatic with people who are quite right to have concerns about the vaccines introduced here.

Discount? No

Put them in the larger context of the thousands of lives that have been saved? Yes.

Listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about in relation to these things? Yes

Berate people who are not experts but contradict qualified experts? Yes - their opinions deserve it

Are these the experts who's predictions to date and who's rules to date have been well, bollock.

No.

Thee vaccination experts neither made the lockdown rules nor made predictions about the potency of the virus. The former was politicians, the latter a mixture of epidemiologists and behavioural scientists for the most part.

The vaccinations experts are the same genre who have rid the world of several lethal diseases over the course of the last century or so, and helped vastly reduce the effects of many others.

I'm not surprised you hadn't clocked the difference. Your chemical engineer mate will probably be able to explain it to you though.

[The experts can't even find agreement]

If only we could get polio, small pox etc etc back.....

Polio?

You're bringing Polio into it? Did you hear about or remember the Polio vaccine that paralysed people for life?

I really pit the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question on here:

Neil Lennon
Vaccines and Big Pharma

Did you hear about or remember about all the people Polio killed before a vaccine stopped that?

I really pity the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question or debate on here:

- The effectiveness of vaccines in improving mortality rates in the vast majority of cases
- The primacy of scientific process over amateurs with egos

So you're just going to remove the fact that an approved vaccine paralysed people for life?

Of course vaccines can help but they can also cause serious consequences, what is disappointing is that we have a group of vaccine fascists on here who are very dogmatic with people who are quite right to have concerns about the vaccines introduced here.

Discount? No

Put them in the larger context of the thousands of lives that have been saved? Yes.

Listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about in relation to these things? Yes

Berate people who are not experts but contradict qualified experts? Yes - their opinions deserve it

You're a prime example of the type of people I'm on about and you're making contradictory points.

I'm not criticising or telling anyone what to do. I am having to defend my own views and my right to make a choice on my health from fascists like you who are clearly very dogmatic against those who disagree with you.

The experts can't even find agreement with yourself so maybe you should be a bit more tolerant to the views of others and stop trying to force your ideology on others.

Yes they can, they have found 3 vaccines.

It also appears you don't understand the different between nuance & balance, and contradiction. There is zero contradiction between having sympathy with those who suffered adverse reactions to vaccines yet also allowing your arguments to have the nuance and balance of accepting that by preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths that vaccines are far and away a force for good.

You can do what you like regards a vaccine, that's your own business. But  if you come on here and post your views you can fully expect them to be ridiculed - as they deserve to be.

You should also learn the difference between fascism/nazism and groups of people, often large groups of people, laughing at you for having idiotic opinions on a matter you gave no demonstrable knowledge in.

If only we could get polio, small pox etc etc back.....

Polio?

You're bringing Polio into it? Did you hear about or remember the Polio vaccine that paralysed people for life?

I really pit the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question on here:

Neil Lennon
Vaccines and Big Pharma

Did you hear about or remember about all the people Polio killed before a vaccine stopped that?

I really pity the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question or debate on here:

- The effectiveness of vaccines in improving mortality rates in the vast majority of cases
- The primacy of scientific process over amateurs with egos

So you're just going to remove the fact that an approved vaccine paralysed people for life?

Of course vaccines can help but they can also cause serious consequences, what is disappointing is that we have a group of vaccine fascists on here who are very dogmatic with people who are quite right to have concerns about the vaccines introduced here.

Discount? No

Put them in the larger context of the thousands of lives that have been saved? Yes.

Listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about in relation to these things? Yes

Berate people who are not experts but contradict qualified experts? Yes - their opinions deserve it

If only we could get polio, small pox etc etc back.....

Polio?

You're bringing Polio into it? Did you hear about or remember the Polio vaccine that paralysed people for life?

I really pit the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question on here:

Neil Lennon
Vaccines and Big Pharma

Did you hear about or remember about all the people Polio killed before a vaccine stopped that?

I really pity the stupidity of some of you on here.

A list of the things we simply cannot question or debate on here:

- The effectiveness of vaccines in improving mortality rates in the vast majority of cases
- The primacy of scientific process over amateurs with egos

[even if I have to pay.]

Yeah I'll get it as soon as it is possible to do so, even if I have to pay. And yes I will be encouraging loved ones to do likewise.

Where you getting it Chief, you can't buy it!

A corrupt CEO from a big pharma company is going to sell it to me in return for not exposing him as a high ranking member of the Illuminati.

I have a chemical engineer mate who is going to tell when it's safe to take it as well.

Looking good for the Oxford Vaccine - Milhouse and frankie still queuing with the sleeves rolled up?  Anyone who thinks that a vaccine that normally takes 5 to 10 years to produce safely can be produced in 10 months with all the same safety standards is deluded, but the narrative that they are out to save humanity on a anonymous forum with about 20 active members won't stop them from calling cautious folk cowards and trying to berate them.  I wonder would they all be advocating their elderly parents be first in the queue, because after all the believers here are way at the back of the queue!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/scrutiny-grows-over-oxford-universityastrazeneca-vaccine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55086927

Yeah I'll get it as soon as it is possible to do so, even if I have to pay. And yes I will be encouraging loved ones to do likewise.

Seaney - you deserve to have your opinions berated.

Just because you're entitled to have an opinion doesn't mean others are obliged to respect it.

The difference between your opinions and the findings of these vaccination trials  is that yours are based on conversations with your mates and google searches.

Theirs are based on tens of thousands of trials, by multiple different companies, in multiple different ways, across multiple demographics, across multiple countries, assessed by hundreds of qualified professionals, then published for review and criticism by peers. Even after all that do they still have to  go through national approval forums.

If I have to take medical advice from anyone it'll be the latter group.

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

Just to finally put this one to bed.

Did about 15 minutes research and found that plenty of vaccines that achieved over 90% efficiacy in the clinical trial phase.

Here are examples of 2 that you can give to your pal.  It might stop him from making a tool out of someone else.

It's too late for you unfortunately.

https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hep.1840010502
https://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/Abstract/2007/01000/A_vaccine_for_hypertension_based_on_virus_like.11.aspx

See Seaney, according to peer reviewed sources, not "according to a mate"

During clinical trials and everything.

Maybe you need to clarify this again. Ask your mate sure.

The temptation to leave a smiley face is so strong...

Ah - "according to a mate..."

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate I'm afraid. Even if it is true - which I'm on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story

Chief the second, that make it better, you are an unnamed contributor as are all on here, next time anyone says anything unless they supply their full name dismiss the lot, that it?

Yeah we are all spoofers on here. Totally accepted.

Differences is I'm not spoofing about a PhD in chemical engineering, and spinning a story as science.

It's all on spectrum Seany

Ah - "according to a mate..."

PhD in chemical engineering, former employee and currently at the coal face, what's your qualifications?

Still just a unnamed mate I'm afraid. Even if it is true - which I'm on the fence about - unless you name your source this anecdote is just a exactly that, a nice little open ended story