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[It the same thing now in GAA at all levels]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

You got up on the wrong side...

Well they are still div 1 this year so must be their level.

Great logic. Finish rock bottom in one competition that's your level. Fail to win another you're 2 levels too low.

They maintained div 1 status so that is their level. Pretty simple, even you Cavan folk could work that out.

[It the same thing now in GAA at all levels]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

You got up on the wrong side...

Well they are still div 1 this year so must be their level.

[It the same thing now in GAA at all levels]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

Then they aren't a division 1 side are they?

Bingo.

Did Avra play div 1 or div 2 football the same year they won Cavan Junior championship?

If so, under my proposal (Mr Burns if you're watching lol) they can't represent their country in provincial or all Ireland series

They played div 1 last year and will again next year

[It the same thing now in GAA at all levels]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

Seems fair. Say what you want about leagues but you wouldn't let a Div 1 inter county team play the Tailteann Cup

Interesting article on the prevalence of injuries in young players with Liverpool and the reasons for it as they step up to the first team. I know in my own club there is a massive increase in longterm injuries in young players coming into the senior squad  compared to when i started about 20 years ago and the increased training intensity must be part of it, particularly when you consider the typical club player is not going to have access to the level of monitoring

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/01/liverpools-mystery-injuries-explained-bajcetic-doak-gordon-and-more/

20 years ago training was running and hard running and more running with drills ....

Kieran Hughes. Really good article in the Irish news. I liked him- not your conventional kind of player.

Big loss for Monaghan - not a starter anymore or not someone that would have the 60/70/80 mins of running in him but for a lad to throw in for 20 mins when the games in the mixer and just tell him to cause havoc he could do it
Was a frustrating player to watch at times as a Monaghan fan because he couldn't just give a simple punt pass it just HAD to be an off the outside of the left boot sidewinder !
When it did come off it was glorious to watch!
Near enough destroyed Donegal on his own in 2013 - he had great hands and was comfortable under a high ball with nearby attention - loved it in fact ! McGee got nothing from him that day
Wonder how much longer he will stay with Scotstown now
Think he could be a good man on the line some day too
Anyway - A great servant for Monaghan football

Would have been a good option for sweeper keeper? He has a good few years left in him for club

League football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.

2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2

Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..

Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.

Not at all. It's funny how the common Cavan man defends the Arva situation but at inter county level yous are shocking because of the outlook on your county league structures.

I'm sticking you on ignore, you're a dose

Cavan have a 46% win rate in the Ulster champ over the last 10 years.... Monaghan is 62%

League football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.

2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2

Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..

Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.

Not at all. It's funny how the common Cavan man defends the Arva situation but at inter county level yous are shocking because of the outlook on your county league structures.

League football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.

2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2

Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..

[No starred games in Cavan?]

No starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?

Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players

Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws

But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.

Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series

You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists

No idea what that means.

Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?

Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.

What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..

To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did

What I said was they targeted the league, this would have huge benefit over the years! Bad teams don't play Div 1 football. They get better and learn at a higher level. This has paid dividends this year playing better opposition and winning the junior champ.

They will prob win intermediate

[No starred games in Cavan?]

No starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?

Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players

Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws

But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.

Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series

You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists

No idea what that means.

Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?

Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.

What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..

What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.

Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?

No. But the number of clubs we have hold us back which dilutes the overall standard of the club game. Plus a lot of our county plyers are not exposed to senior club football. I'd like to see an additional divisional county championship, like they have in Kerry, where every player in the county is eligible if good enough.

That's mad. I'd argue yous are so poor because there's not actually  meaningful games to play... 5 champ games a year ... you don't care about the league so where does the quality come from?

I think that's how Monaghan produce a decent team and players, because of the structures in the county provide games with jeopardy and meaning!

The fixation of champ in Cavan means no one cares about the league and everyone waits for the co men to come back ...

[No starred games in Cavan?]

No starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?

Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players

Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws

But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.

Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series

You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists

No idea what that means.

Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?

Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.

What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..

What loophole and how would they work it? I can assure you Arva had their hands full trying to win the Junior the last few years. Nothing else would have been on their minds only that. Some of their better players back to their best from injury, off form etc and some good youngsters coming through created a wave they rode to Croker and fair play to them. Great timing but to even suggest it was by design is crazy. That's more than playing Division 1, that's throwing county finals! Crazy talk.

Just curious do you think your league and champ structures has hampered how your county has performed ? Compared to let's say Tyrone and Monaghan who's leagues and champ align?

[No starred games in Cavan?]

No starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?

Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players

Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws

But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.

Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series

You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists

No idea what that means.

Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?

Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.

What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..

I've made the assertion previously, but really, what is the point of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions? They both just operate on skewed levels across counties and provinces. It's near impossible to streamline them in terms of club eligibility. The senior competition is authentic and balanced for obvious reasons but the other two just aren't fit for purpose.

100%. Tg4 had a graphic up yesterday showing the Listowel and Arva's games to dates...some amount of hammerings, especially in Munster / Ulster. A complete waste of time unless you're a good Div 1 team or from Kerry

Counties need to align the league and champ as does the inter county scene