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If creedon goes, and I believe he should, the will most likely head for Flanagan. That'd complete the merry-go-round if he comes to us and flatherta goes to the biffos. A decent guy maybe, but a nothing appointment.

I partially disagree with joey, if you'd mcguiness or money Harte over us, we'd be at least competitive in div. 3, and not getting done by 12 points by a poor Louth side in the 1st round of the league, getting beat by Sligo, Antrim, biffos and then getting tonked by Clare at home. Leave Kildare aside, they're well ahead of us, but let no-one tell you Antrim, biffos, Louth, Sligo, have that much better talent than we have, these teams are piss poor, and they can beat us at will.

      The players are not good enough, As a team, we're not good enough. As a county, we're not good enough. Nothing we do in Laois right now is good enough. In my world, it's easier to admit that than to go on flogging the dead horse.

And that the truth,

Agreed not good enough for Kildare and the likes, but we got beat by the likes of Sligo, Antrim, the f**king biffos, and got stuffed by Louth at home. Leave the Tipp result aside, as they are a decent outfit.
We should be good enough for any of these, add Creedon to your list, he is NOT the answer.

I have to agree with town1980 point regarding Creedon having no fear factor. Rightly or wrongly, even if players aren't putting it in or doing what they are instructed to, the blame and responsibility will always come back to the manager. Team sport will always be like this, Offaly with babs, Man Utd with moyes, Leicester with ranieri (apologies for soccer examples)
The manger has to be strong enough and convincing enough to get the panel to buy into him, mcnulty generally could do it, it'll always be easier change one guy than start chopping up a panel of 26.
It's not as the idealists will tell you how it should be done, but it's reality.
Creedon is an unconvincing and uninspiring appointment, time for him to hop back on that merry-go-round with o'flatherta, pat Flanagan, bealin and the likes.

Very disappointing. As previous poster mentioned they were on a completely different level with power, pace, physicality. They have reason for optimism, they all seem to know their system and are in serious order physically. The full forward, Flynn, gave us enough of it, and he looks flashy, but his conversion rate is that hectic at the moment, and with less ball and hence less chances he might struggle, some pace though.
Our biggest worry is not even for 2017, there's nobody in div 4 is remotely near this level, we should win our fair share in div 4, but it'll be like playing a different sport when you meet a Kildare or Meath , not to mention the dubs.
It may not all be creedons fault, but he is the manager, and ge has now managed to get the sh**e kicked out of us in tullamore, and get relegated out of a poor division 3, even getting beat by the biffos along the way. Some players had really poor effort/showing, I don't see it fair to criticise individuals that give their time freely, but creedons changes/reactions and non-reactions were mind boggling, the donoher sub, defensive set up with the wind, watching Flynn roast his marker with pace for the 70mins.
One last gripe is the short kick outs, we always cough up at least 2 scores with f**ked up versions of these, which is beyond infuriating.

This is probably as low as I can remember (30yrs), to get out of div 4 is where we may start, as beating Longford, London or Wicklow will not have you ready for an outfit like we faced today.

Also agree with all of dons take on this, apart from the public floggings!!

Disgusting and brainless behaviour by a "thick", pure and simple, if you're  A team & 'A' players take part in division 1, what the f**k good would s div 8 final be to you or your 'A' players.
I'd imagine knockmay & similar schools with very little GAA background get it tough to promote the games, a win in anything would help no end keep interest with kids and parents alike.

As for them quoting rules or lack of broken rules etc., one further expresses the level of backward thickness involved. Should you need a watertight rule book for primary kids games?

What about a bit of integrity, common sense and intelligence, attributes you surely would expect to find in our principals and their staff.

I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.

get off your high horse and spare me the faux outrage,they have a litany of serious offences the length of your arm,maybe the "plenty of people" you know should put their foot down and call a halt to the behaviour of the "few"

+1 clonadmad, 100% correct.

If the majority were outraged & embarrassed by this stuff all the time, surely they would have the will and means democratically to oust the "few", if it were just a few. If you accept acting the maggot at underage, you create the monster.

Clonaslee a once proud and disciplined club are now nothing more than a shambles and an absolute disgrace. Loud mouthed ill disciplined thugs that know nothing about sport and the value that it can bring to a community. their are plenty of decent people in clonaslee that have walked away from the club over the last number of years because of a few ignorant uncontrollable yobs. The CB have dished out all sorts of fines, home match bans etc to Clonaslee club but all to no avail.
Clonaslee as a club have not taken any action by way of suspending certain individuals and as a result they are the most detested ill disciplined Club in the county. What a pity to see a once proud and valued sporting club that offered so much to its own members and to the county now in such a situation.

I agree with most of your post rover, except "once proud & disciplined" club. This s**t is going on for as long as I can remember (i.e. 30+ yrs). Like fathers/like sons bans have been handed down, even lifetime sideline bans for some folk, and they continue to act the b****x year in, year out. This is totally coming from the top down in the club, not all at the top, but the majority, in creating the mindset of what is and isn't acceptable. At an U-8 game last year, I seen a clonaslee chap throw a hurl at an opponent when he was running after him and couldn't catch him, this was met with a chorus of laughter and cheers by the usual suspects watching on the sideline. I will add the ref was their own John Rowney, who pulled the player aside and warned him not to do this again, but they haven't enough guys up there that think like John. Most coaches would reprimand a chap for this, not encourage it, most parents if their child did it at 8 years, would give the kid a boot in the hole, put them in the car, and take them home.
The regularity of this stuff up there is ridiculous. All clubs can have a crazy incident/game up and down where things go wild, but every year clonaslee seem to have loads, almost exclusively in hurling, where they can swing wildly at lads heads with the hurl, the bare fisted combat doesnt appeal to the tough guys who knock lads out with hurls from behind.

It's a f**king disgrace.

That was a sickening abysmal performance. If you leave the management to one side for a minute and actually think back to some of the decisions the players made on the ball....wing back with a free kick in the second half, he turned back to pass it, turned forward, turned back again, then literally shrugged his shoulders and drove the ball out over the far sideline in frustration...brian daly making a great drive along the line under the stand to get to the end line and then try hook a ball over his shoulder from an impossible angle... Sean Moore losing a great ball that was at least 80/20 in his favour and Offaly going up the field from it and killing us with a goal...the pick of the bunch was our free on our 21 under the stand, where was it passed to? It was kicked 80 yards across and backwards to the tunnel corner flag where Cooney in goals had to tear after it to keep it from going out for a 45... It was diabolical stuff. Game should have been wrapped up after 20 mins. Kicked 9 wides after going 1-02 up..even half up them converted would have finished Offaly off. And lads...give up the bullshite with the Beano comparisons....enough said.

Your last line leaves a bit to be desired. Did you not get a chance to post after the Louth game, or did the result and performances by some on the field not suit your style of posting?

Unfortunate, yet unsurprising given your profile.

I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Cahir is obviously a very committed lad, and a good defender in football, but our best footballing back in 20 years...., not a chance, not even in the top 6. All stars Higgins, Kelly, also Fennelly, McMahon, Kevin Fitz, Darren Rooney all a good distance better. He'd obviously be a serious addition to what is currently a weak panel all the same.

A silly argument, but theres no way any of the last 4 would even consider themselves a better defender than Cahir. I'll give you Joe and Tom as equals or marginally better, but both benefited from playing with better players and manager at their peak.

We're moving away from my argument though, Cahir has given dedicated commitment to the hurlers for a few years now, no one would begrudge him giving a few to the football before it gets too late.

Not silly don, just completely disagree. Joe, Tom & Fennelly were arguably 3 of the best in their positions in the country, no way was/is cahir in that league. Different debate for different thread, don't mean to derail. But silly, No.

I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Cahir is obviously a very committed lad, and a good defender in football, but our best footballing back in 20 years...., not a chance, not even in the top 6. All stars Higgins, Kelly, also Fennelly, McMahon, Kevin Fitz, Darren Rooney all a good distance better. He'd obviously be a serious addition to what is currently a weak panel all the same.

Don't think the suggestion of losers going back into intermediate championship would be fair. Not fair on teams in the intermediate championship to have perceived stronger outfits bounced in on them mid competition, I think it'd be crazy.
I believe the problem with the league is there are simply too many games, playing a dozen or so games, starting lads back around February drags out the whole year too long, 5/6 league games starting in May, split divisions smaller, winners of say A & B contest a final, losers play relegation final, no semis etc, should give lads more interest, towards slogging away for 3 months with it.

Fair play to Graigue on a big performance, a lot of credit must go to them for producing their best showing of the championship, whilst under the most pressure. The Heath vs Emo will be very tight, and probably the best remaining spectacle of this years championship!!

If you can translate, it's probably telling ya who the next manger is...

Keyser, I believe they drop to 2b from 2a, if so, they can still get to div 2 semis by coming in the top 2 of same.
But, I stand to be corrected on this, as I'm not sure.

Ballyfins comeback against emo was always going to be overstated, due to the pattern the game took. The 2 teams in the game were evenly matched enough in the 1st half, but Ballyfin coughed up 2 crazy soft goals, leaving the scores as it did at half time. The game was similar in the 2nd half, except they took their chances, and omitted mistakes in their own defence.

Emo should not be written off in the relegation final, they are scoring heavily enough all year, but obviously conceding a truck load of scores, if they somehow stem the tide at the back, tighten it up a bit, Heath & graiguemay struggle to out score them.

Not sure Don how last nights defeat for Ballyfin puts anything into context regarding their decision to pull out of the league? They pulled out of the league due to 1) the division they were in & 2) their previous difficulties in trying to get teams together to fulfill fixtures in it, especially in the earlier rounds, when you're ending up calling on a lads from junior teams to keep it going, and they possibly involved with 2 teams in hurling also. What "context" would you put the championship showing of the Heath into, following their league exploits?

Emo were beat by a crettyard team that were woeful this evening against stradbally and emo let ballyfin score 4 17 today who only scored 7 points against st joes yet they were in a county final last year what does that say about the rest of the teams. Emo got relegated to intermediate a few years ago with the same players and ended up nearly winning the county final last year

Pat Ryan not being around for much of their summer has to have had an effect, that said Emo would obviously have known his commitments. Evan costello only appeared as a sub late on today, also is a significant loss to their forward line, but more importantly i'd say Pat Ryan's absence cannot be understated when comparing to last year.

I wouldn't agree the rest are intermediate/junior with the exception of Portlaoise. Portlaoise have been strong against most leinster club sides the past few years, with the exception of the Dublin champions, IMO they would be an exceptional club side.