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Just wondering which you think is hardest got, Darragh o' Shea one of the finest midfielders of his generation and nearing the end of his career has been nominated for just his 4th Allstar while Henry Shefflin still in his prime has been nominated for his 7th.
i'd would  rate Darragh's achivement greater as i think there is more competition in the football. What do you think?

Fix the spelling on the title thread and i might, just might take it under my consideration.......

sorry Balboa i hope you forgive me ;)

i think a football one would be harder to win because as you say Deel, there would be a lot more competition for a footballer, as every county has a team trying to win Sam, where as there are only the usual suspects in the hurling every year to compete for them.

There have been 5 Ulster Hurling All-Stars since they began in 1971, so naturally the Nordies are always going to say a Football one is more 'valuable'.  All Ulster votes should thus be considered void.

BTW, can any of ye name those 5, without recourse to the beloved Google/Wikipedia?

Quote from: Billys Boots on September 28, 2007, 03:38:40 PM
There have been 5 Ulster Hurling All-Stars since they began in 1971, so naturally the Nordies are always going to say a Football one is more 'valuable'.  All Ulster votes should thus be considered void.

BTW, can any of ye name those 5, without recourse to the beloved Google/Wikipedia?

Cloot, Barr, Sambo, Mc Killen & Dessie Donnelly, did Gerard Mc Grattan not get one in '92 too???

The question is not which is more valuable but which one is harder to win. Personally i think that both are restricted to 4/5 teams, Hurling necause that is all that is really involved (with realistic chance of winning) and football because they are never picked from the weaker counties unless they make a significant run in the AL series. I do believe that the football one is harder to win because there is more media exposure in football and people are more critical of players therefore you have to play better throughout to obtain an allstar.

Quotedid Gerard Mc Grattan not get one in '92 too???

Apologies, he did.

Hurling is harder to win because of the immense skill level you have to get yourself to to play at the top level, Once there then maybe they might be slightly easier if you get my point.

In the comparison with O'se and Shefflin. O'Se has been a quality midfielder but by no way is he one of the greatest in his position. Shefflin is well on his way to becoming one of the greatest hurlers of his generation if not ever.

Quote from: Spiritof98 on September 28, 2007, 04:01:51 PM
Hurling is harder to win because of the immense skill level you have to get yourself to to play at the top level, Once there then maybe they might be slightly easier if you get my point.

In the comparison with O'se and Shefflin. O'Se has been a quality midfielder but by no way is he one of the greatest in his position. Shefflin is well on his way to becoming one of the greatest hurlers of his generation if not ever.

would have to disagree there Spirit,
id rate Dara O Se as one of the great Midfielders of all time.

if a comparison were to be made between Shefflin and a football player,it would have to be Gooch,The two most skillfull plkayers in their respective games.

I'd say hurling Allstars are harder come by - serious level of skill etc etc needed.

There's plenty of great footballers around who've never won an all star, eg. Paddy Bradley, whereas most of the top hurlers have an allstar or two. In that respect I'd say the football accolade is harder to obtain.

Probably a silly question alright !

Quote from: hardstation on September 28, 2007, 05:21:47 PM
What a stupid question! :-\
I'd say Dara O Se found it a lot handier winning football all stars than hurling all stars.
Henry Shefflin found it a lot easier to win hurling all stars than football all stars.

sorry oh great one :P and by the way you never paid for the last round before the pub was closed

maybe i phrased it wrong but is it easier for a player to pick up a hurling allstar rather than a football allstar how come in the last 10 years we haven't seen a player pick up 7 or 8 allstars while we have in Hurling

I think they are both as equally hard to obatain, and credit must go to those who have!

QuoteBut it is a stupid question as there is no definate answer to it.

So what if there's no definate answer, this is a discussion board, for people to offer their opinions on topics raised, if you don't see merit in a particular topic don't post on it.

your in bad form the past fewdays hardsation your fierce argumentative, i see yourself and orangeman agree here as well  ;)

If you are from Kilkenny - a football Allstar
If you are from Kerry - a Hurling Allstar
If you are from Louth - a football or Hurling Allstar

Have to say, the Backdoor has changed the emphasis on Provincial winners, National League games, and National Club competitions being an influence on who gets awarded. AI finalists still get 75 -80% of awards.

Going back to the question, far easier for a great Hurler to get award. There are far more people in Ireland playing Gaelic football than Hurling, so the competiton is naturally greater.

QuoteWhat a stupid question!
I'd say Dara O Se found it a lot handier winning football all stars than hurling all stars.
Henry Shefflin found it a lot easier to win hurling all stars than football all stars.

QuotePs. Yes, it is a discussion board and I gave my opinion on the topic raised.

You gave your opinion on the quality of the topic rather than on the topic itself. There was, what I thought, an interesting article from I think the Kerryman newspaper. They were asking which was better, the current crop of Kerry footballers or the class of 1978 - '82. Now there is no definitive answer to that question but by your current logic we shouldn't discuss that either. 

Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2007, 05:06:20 AM
You may think I am as mad as a box of frogs but you may as well ask;
Is it easier to win a gold medal at the Olympics in Javelin or a gold medal at the Olympics in the high jump?
It depends how feckin good you are in each sport!

your ideas are intriguing to me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter ;)

have to agree with you on this, but basically this topis is just the same old "theres not enough competition in the hurling championship" re-worded

Quote from: tram on September 28, 2007, 08:19:46 PM
From my own perspective, unless you're playing with one of the top 6/8 hurling teams of a certain era its near impossible to get an All-Star in the code. With football at least if your team makes a decent run in the championship you should at least come up for selection and have an outside chance if getting one.

True, sure didn't the Slashers get a couple of nominations last year  :o :o :o

I don't have any problem saying a football All Star is harder to win. Football is much more competitive. It's like what Jerry Kiernan said when asked to assess the career of Sonia O'Sullivan against the likes of Ronnie Delany, Eamon Coghlan and John Treacy. Women's athletics is inherently less competive - women are not encouraged as much to take up sport in many countries and actively discouraged in the rest. Thus her achievements don't rank alongside those of the best men. Unfair, perhaps, but denying it doesn't make it untrue.