New topic here for us civilized Mayo and Kerry supporters. The other thread has turned into a quagmire of bullshite.
I think this match is more 50/50 than the bookies have it made out to be. Mayo have no problems in a shoot out type of match and I expect this to be one of them. Too close to call IMO.
I would agree but mayos injuries have become a bit of a mini crisis. while a lot of new talent has come to the fore , no team can lose players like may have in the last few months through injury and thrive. not to metion it has come a after 2 years of batch retirements/
of cpourse may can dod it but itll take an almighty effort
What is causing these injuries? Theres 2 years in a row the marquee forward has been ruled out for the year, along with all the other injuries. Do we reckon its over training/burn out? Or just plain bad luck?
I was close enough to the Harrison injury on Sunday and I'm blaming the field in Carrick. The knee gave in and I don't think anyone was near him at the time.
COC did his Achilles in, not sure what causes this type of injury....
DOC seems to have hamstrings on him like Brady Ham.
Tommy Conroy was unlucky in the sigerson.
The thing is it's always key players that get injured for us, e.g. Parsons and Andy Moran back in the day to name a couple.
Quote from: highorlow on March 31, 2022, 09:51:49 AM
New topic here for us civilized Mayo and Kerry supporters. The other thread has turned into a quagmire of bullshite.
I think this match is more 50/50 than the bookies have it made out to be. Mayo have no problems in a shoot out type of match and I expect this to be one of them. Too close to call IMO.
Agreed regarding the prediction. I just hope Mayo's forwards can find form in front of goal be it points or goals to rack up a score high enough to win. Any word of Kerry injuries? Ours are well documented unfortunately.
Quote from: highorlow on March 31, 2022, 11:23:29 AM
I was close enough to the Harrison injury on Sunday and I'm blaming the field in Carrick. The knee gave in and I don't think anyone was near him at the time.
COC did his Achilles in, not sure what causes this type of injury....
DOC seems to have hamstrings on him like Brady Ham.
Tommy Conroy was unlucky in the sigerson.
The thing is it's always key players that get injured for us, e.g. Parsons and Andy Moran back in the day to name a couple.
Did he play in the league at all? Been out a serious long time whats the story there? Good chance ye woulda beat them huers beside us last year if he'd been playing.
Massive game for Kerry imo, far more so than Mayo. It's time for the golden boys to start delivering. And it's actually a few years since Kerry have gone to croke park and beaten mayo, last time was 2011 technically. Whereas if mayo go out and hold there on then whatever, Kerry were favourites anyway and we move straight onto galway in a few weeks time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 31, 2022, 11:23:29 AM
I was close enough to the Harrison injury on Sunday and I'm blaming the field in Carrick. The knee gave in and I don't think anyone was near him at the time.
COC did his Achilles in, not sure what causes this type of injury....
DOC seems to have hamstrings on him like Brady Ham.
Tommy Conroy was unlucky in the sigerson.
The thing is it's always key players that get injured for us, e.g. Parsons and Andy Moran back in the day to name a couple.
Did he play in the league at all? Been out a serious long time whats the story there? Good chance ye woulda beat them huers beside us last year if he'd been playing.
roumors are hes in the 26 for sunday but i've heard that before
Connacht telegraph has reported this week that Cillian O'Connor is flying in training though remains to be seen if he'll be included in the match day 26.
This final will probably be simliar to the 2019 NFL whereby Mayo will target goals to win, if they don't get them i think Kerry will win narrowly.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on March 31, 2022, 03:49:05 PM
Massive game for Kerry imo, far more so than Mayo. It's time for the golden boys to start delivering. And it's actually a few years since Kerry have gone to croke park and beaten mayo, last time was 2011 technically. Whereas if mayo go out and hold there on then whatever, Kerry were favourites anyway and we move straight onto galway in a few weeks time.
I'm not sure it matters that much for either team. Both have won League finals in recent years and have still regularly fallen short when it's counted.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2022, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on March 31, 2022, 03:49:05 PM
Massive game for Kerry imo, far more so than Mayo. It's time for the golden boys to start delivering. And it's actually a few years since Kerry have gone to croke park and beaten mayo, last time was 2011 technically. Whereas if mayo go out and hold there on then whatever, Kerry were favourites anyway and we move straight onto galway in a few weeks time.
I'm not sure it matters that much for either team. Both have won League finals in recent years and have still regularly fallen short when it's counted.
It's not the be all and end all but I think it wouldn't be good psychologically for Kerry to lose to Mayo in Croke Park again
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2022, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on March 31, 2022, 03:49:05 PM
Massive game for Kerry imo, far more so than Mayo. It's time for the golden boys to start delivering. And it's actually a few years since Kerry have gone to croke park and beaten mayo, last time was 2011 technically. Whereas if mayo go out and hold there on then whatever, Kerry were favourites anyway and we move straight onto galway in a few weeks time.
I'm not sure it matters that much for either team. Both have won League finals in recent years and have still regularly fallen short when it's counted.
It's a national title to be won in Croke Park of course it will matter to the players and management. This type of comment just highlights the attitude towards the second most important competition the GAA have.
A loss would probably benefit Kerry more than a win.
Trashing Tyrone and 5 other teams last year was no benefit to Kerry when it came to their first real Championship test.
If Kerry can get some fluidity in attack and get some game time for some of the players recently back from injury such as Gavin White, it would be a big positive.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 31, 2022, 10:19:39 PM
A loss would probably benefit Kerry more than a win.
Trashing Tyrone and 5 other teams last year was no benefit to Kerry when it came to their first real Championship test.
If Kerry can get some fluidity in attack and get some game time for some of the players recently back from injury such as Gavin White, it would be a big positive.
I don't know about that, if they keep losing on these occasions it'll start to become a psychological weight
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QuoteI don't know about that, if they keep losing on these occasions it'll start to become a psychological weight
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no it wont and that is the Unique thing abou the mayo team
psychological speaking they appear bombproof. they seem to have a great perspective that if you going to lose a match the best one to lose is the final
Painful as that is , but compare mayo to cavan who just a few years back beat mayo and won an ulster now were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
I know which i would rather be
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no it wont and that is the Unique thing abou the mayo team
psychological speaking they appear bombproof. they seem to have a great perspective that if you going to lose a match the best one to lose is the final
Painful as that is , but compare mayo to cavan who just a few years back beat mayo and won an ulster now were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
I know which i would rather be
The poster was on about Kerry not us...
Quote from: rosnarun on April 01, 2022, 10:48:39 AM
no it wont and that is the Unique thing abou the mayo team
psychological speaking they appear bombproof. they seem to have a great perspective that if you going to lose a match the best one to lose is the final
Painful as that is , but compare mayo to cavan who just a few years back beat mayo and won an ulster now were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
I know which i would rather be
Only problem being their losing performances in the finals seem to be getting worse.
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Sean O'Shea,David Moran back from injury to make the bench.
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Cillian O'Connor named on the bench. Brother Diarmuid, Paddy Durcan and Rob Hennelly out injured.
Interesting too to see Darren McHale on the bench. Hopefully his foot injury is behind him.
Oisín Mullin out, Rory Brickenden in.
If Kerry don't win today they can forget about this Summer.
Eoghan McLaughlin not on bench I don't think.
Should the league final be played somewhere else.
No
How far off is Durcan, big player for Mayo, the Kerry forward line up is strange, A Spillane to Mr could fit maybe no. 6 I don't think he's a fit anywhere else in the team. P Geaney been off the boil awhile, don't know why Killian Spillane doesn't always start. Could see Sean O Shea in the full forward line this Yr with the older Clifford at No. 11
Mayo in for a clipping here.
Coen against P Clifford a bad match up
That umpire needs to call wides wide...
Kerry far too many good forwards and Mayo don't.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 04:20:02 PM
Coen against P Clifford a bad match up
Aidan O'Shea playing himself off the team - Loftus really not up to this level, terrible in the All Ireland last year and misses a sitter here
That mayo keeper sure is earning his mileage today
That full press Mayo use, counting against them here if they contest and lose the kick out. P Clifford opened them twice for goal chances they should have took. Mayo have have a good team but missing the 2 scoring forwards as per yesteryear which would took them to all Irelands.
O'Shea only good enough for coming on at Midfield last 15 mins, Hessien I try on P Clifford.
Too much room in front of Clifford, Give O'Hora a hard time but done that to everyone with that much room.
Mayo support up front is very poor. They could have had a few goal chances if they had someone available for another pass.
6 points at half time, but not the worst given that we're missing half the team. Could be a lot closer if we'd taken some chances
That should've been a black card.
Ref not know what a black card is?
Followed by a booking for nothing. Too much mouthing from O'Hora and not enough football.
If that's not a black card then we can go home because the ref doesn't understand the basic rules of the game
Good to see that not being a black card. One of the stupidest rules there is!
Kerry made sure he had no choice but to find his black card, to be fair.
Ref is having a great game.
Ref must have got his black and yellow card mixed up.
Kerry too strong.
O'Hora doing some slabbering to Clifford. Clifford not saying much back - responds by sticking it over the bar.
O 'Hora not saying much now
How many are Mayo missing? Conroy long term, COC only on. Mullin, Durcan and DOC all missing and probably a few more.
How far are Kerry from full strength? Moran, SOS?
He's the same ref who did the Monaghan Dublin game.
Someone tell Mayo its the league not the All Ireland final ffs. They have shite the bed
Galway gonna feel the wrath in a few weeks time after this one. Bad hammering.
Mayo lose League final they did their best not to reach.
Quote from: shantygael on April 03, 2022, 05:28:18 PM
O 'Hora not saying much now
O'Hora is a complete idiot.
Mayo still played very poorly and very open. Even with 2 O'connor bck. Conroy out long term, they def not got the scoring power to win an All Ireland. I say we looking at Kerry, then Tyrone, Dublin, then Mayo, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Galway on that order for the race for Sam.
Clifford is outrageous
Mayo fans don't mind losing finals.....its all about the journey. Which is rather expensive journey, given present Diesel prices. ;D
Only lad I seen remotely hold him is that lad from Cork, he can destroy just about anybody else.
As good as Kerry was i don't think Horan and his management will be too pleased at how loose they were defensively today and any team deciding not to double up on David Clifford is asking for trouble.
Clifford is a class act, not much teams can do to stop him only filter men back and push him out to the wings, and even at that he's capable of kicking the ball over from outrageous angles
He's always good for a goal. A lot of forwards are happy to just kick a point , he's ruthless. Class player.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 05:43:11 PM
Only lad I seen remotely hold him is that lad from Cork, he can destroy just about anybody else.
Plenty of lads In Laois would hold him
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 03, 2022, 05:30:09 PM
How many are Mayo missing? Conroy long term, COC only on. Mullin, Durcan and DOC all missing and probably a few more.
How far are Kerry from full strength? Moran, SOS?
Beyond those two I think Dan O'Donoghue is likely to be the first choice corner back ahead of Casey or O'Sullivan.
Paul Murphy probably an option in the half-back line.
I thought O'Beaglaoich was possibly the poorest Kerry player today so wouldn't be surprised if Murphy replaced him in the half-back line.
I don't know what sort of state Moran is likely to be in fitness wise - I be surprised to see him starting games - maybe an option to finish games out.
Okunbor the Aussie rules returnee might be a bit of a curveball at midfield but hard to see him getting much game time this year given he didn't get any game time in the league.
Breen who was in the half-back line is out for the year with injury.
I don't think there's anyone else to come into the reckoning.
Today's starting 15 had at least 11 of Kerry's championship starting 15 and probably more like 13 of the 15.
Sean Bán's last match
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Embarrassing spectacle.
Quote from: Main Street on April 03, 2022, 05:33:13 PM
He's the same ref who did the Monaghan Dublin game.
Yes and rewarded with poor performance for both teams with a final.
Terrible result, performance, tactics etc. Lots of players not wanting to put hands up for Galway game.
I could go on a rant but I haven't the energy for one. Galway might beat us in three weeks despite the negativity from them.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 31, 2022, 10:19:39 PM
A loss would probably benefit Kerry more than a win.
Trashing Tyrone and 5 other teams last year was no benefit to Kerry when it came to their first real Championship test.
If Kerry can get some fluidity in attack and get some game time for some of the players recently back from injury such as Gavin White, it would be a big positive.
As I feared when Kerry went pretty much full strength for what was available to them and Mayo didn't.
Worst result possible for Kerry - Mayo played completely below championship level of intensity and definitely not championship tactics either which will give Kerry a false sense of security.
Kerry should focus on games against Kildare, Tyrone and 1st Mayo game as what to learn from the League campaign.
Quote from: blanketattack on April 03, 2022, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 31, 2022, 10:19:39 PM
A loss would probably benefit Kerry more than a win.
Trashing Tyrone and 5 other teams last year was no benefit to Kerry when it came to their first real Championship test.
If Kerry can get some fluidity in attack and get some game time for some of the players recently back from injury such as Gavin White, it would be a big positive.
As I feared when Kerry went pretty much full strength for what was available to them and Mayo didn't.
Worst result possible for Kerry - Mayo played completely below championship level of intensity and definitely not championship tactics either which will give Kerry a false sense of security.
Kerry should focus on games against Kildare, Tyrone and 1st Mayo game as what to learn from the League campaign.
kerry have won't have a competitive game this year. No opposition in munster, Dublin in transition Tyrone losing bodies and Mayo full their togs playing kerry in an AI final.
Quote from: lenny on April 03, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: shantygael on April 03, 2022, 05:28:18 PM
O 'Hora not saying much now
O'Hora is a complete idiot.
I did laugh when Clifford patted him on his head after he destroyed him yet again. Like what's the point in mouthing if it is having zero effect.
When he destroy him the first time? U mixing him up with Mullin, them ponytails are confusing.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 03, 2022, 08:59:17 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 03, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: shantygael on April 03, 2022, 05:28:18 PM
O 'Hora not saying much now
O'Hora is a complete idiot.
I did laugh when Clifford patted him on his head after he destroyed him yet again. Like what's the point in mouthing if it is having zero effect.
After Clifford's left him for dead for the last goal, O'Hora did give him a friendly congratulatory pat on the arm and they both had a laugh at something or other.
Mayo backs are great going forward, like to physically dominate an opponent but cannot turn quick enough to stay with a player running at them.
I wonder will Galway be able to exploit that?
Clifford really is something else, call it jealousy but at first I couldn't warm to him but my opinion has totally changed though. Seeing him make time to sign autographs for kids after matches is one thing, but including the young lad from Sligo in his after-match speech yesterday was an act of pure class.
Well done
O'Hora did as well as could be expected on Clifford yesterday given he had zero help. There isn't a defender in the country who can touch him one on one. Is there any who would be a decent match physically for him?
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
Yeah pretty much. Seem to have grown a collective set of balls under O'Connor but they haven't beat a top team in the championship in ages. We'll see how they do against Tyrone this year or even Dublin will be a big test come championship.
Definitely no outstanding candidate this year, Kerry obviously strong favourites but come with a big asterisk.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
True, Dublin and Kerry were the best team going into the Championship last year, based on league form and Dublin's Championship form of 2020, but no doubt Tyrone were the best team of 2021. Tyrone faced 4 big tests in the Championship and passed them all.
Kerry had one big test and failed it, Dublin had one big test and failed it, Mayo had 2 big tests and passed one and failed one.
Kerry have the players to win the All-Ireland but they still need the performance, particularly to win tight games.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 09:24:29 AM
O'Hora did as well as could be expected on Clifford yesterday given he had zero help. There isn't a defender in the country who can touch him one on one. Is there any who would be a decent match physically for him?
Left totally open with no protection
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 09:24:29 AM
O'Hora did as well as could be expected on Clifford yesterday given he had zero help. There isn't a defender in the country who can touch him one on one. Is there any who would be a decent match physically for him?
Left totally open with no protection
Yeah its asking for trouble, especially in Croker. Any decent forward would be loving the amount of space Clifford got yesterday, McCarron was similar last week.
If anyone turned up to that Div 1 final yesterday to see what David Clifford is all about they most certainty didn't go home disappointed, he's the best forward in the country and showed the damage he can do when allowed and allowed is one of the reasons why we got such a one sided contest yesterday.
From a Mayo point of view the strength in depth isn't as good as most thought during this league campaign. I'm still expecting Mayo to reach at least the AI semi final this year, have done that every year when Horan was manager and i don't think that record will change once Durcan,Hennelly,D O'Connor,Mullen is restored to the starting line up and Cillian O'Connor gets more game time.
Finally well done to Kerry, without doubt the best team in the league this year, it about bringing that form into the championship now and correct me if I'm wrong, every time Jack O'Connor led Kerry to NFL title they went on to win the All Ireland that summer?
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
We only have the league to go by, think the 4 or 5 is very optimistic.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn’t read whole pile into it. There’s 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won’t be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won’t win an AI.
Don't think the current Mayo manager can do much more that he's done in his second spell. IMO he had a stronger team with better players in his first spell and that became strong from a team he took over that had lost to Sligo,Longford and became the consistently competitive championship team the last decade. I'll always wonder where Mayo would be today if they never had Horan as manager and huge improvement he brought to their setup.
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As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
Don't think the current Mayo manager can do much more that he's done in his second spell. IMO he had a stronger team with better players in his first spell and that became strong from a team he took over that had lost to Sligo,Longford and became the consistently competitive championship team the last decade. I'll always wonder where Mayo would be today if they never had Horan as manager and huge improvement he brought to their setup.
Shit the bed last year against Tyrone when it was there for the taking although obviously not all down to management. I wonder could they ever convince Moran to come back and win one with them.
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As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
Don't think the current Mayo manager can do much more that he's done in his second spell. IMO he had a stronger team with better players in his first spell and that became strong from a team he took over that had lost to Sligo,Longford and became the consistently competitive championship team the last decade. I'll always wonder where Mayo would be today if they never had Horan as manager and huge improvement he brought to their setup.
Shit the bed last year against Tyrone when it was there for the taking although obviously not all down to management. I wonder could they ever convince Moran to come back and win one with them.
As a player!?
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Shit the bed last year against Tyrone when it was there for the taking although obviously not all down to management. I wonder could they ever convince Moran to come back and win one with them.
I don't believe they were, Tyrone was very good on the day. As for Andy Moran he'd have to show some credentials in management before getting that gig. Thus far he was less than great with Ballaghaderreen and finished 4th in Div 4 with a Leitrim side that Terry Hyland gained promotion with.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2022, 04:45:20 PM
Shit the bed last year against Tyrone when it was there for the taking although obviously not all down to management. I wonder could they ever convince Moran to come back and win one with them.
I don't believe they were, Tyrone was very good on the day. As for Andy Moran he'd have to show some credentials in management before getting that gig. Thus far he was less than great with Ballaghaderreen and finished 4th in Div 4 with a Leitrim side that Terry Hyland gained promotion with.
Horan overall has done a very good job but he also has a serious amount of baggage built up at this stage and they would be the ideal opponent for any team going into an AI final. Moran would be a big punt, he has no track record in management to suggest that he would improve things but he still has time on his side.
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship.
That's a silly comment. If the best team always won, there'd be no need to watch sport.
When Cork beat Kerry two years ago, they weren't next nor near as good a team as them. They just caught Kerry cold on a terrible day.
Laois knocked Mickey Harte's Tyrone out of the championship one year. They deserved the win, but that Laois team is not a better team than that Tyrone team - they just got them on a day when things went Laois's way.
If Tyrone v Kerry had gone to a replay last year, like pretty much every drawn semi-final in history has done previously, Kerry would have gone into the replay as warm favourites. Kerry threw the first game away with their missed goal chances, it's very rare a favourite doesn't rectify things in a replay. But Tyrone took their chances in extra time with aplomb.
Many refs would not have allowed Rob Hennelly to retake his last second equaliser v the Dubs in the other semi. If he hadn't have been allowed re-take, then the best team on the day would have lost.
Kerry were the best team in the country last year, yet Tyrone 100% deserved their All Ireland. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The best team doesn't always win. The best team on the day usually does, but even that's not 100%.
I'd say the poster is referring to Mickey Moran and not Andy.
It was undoubtedly as bad a performance Mayo have had since Horan mk 1. Maybe the management didn't care about the league and all eyes are firmly fixed on Galway in three weeks time, but with all the chopping and changing over the last three or four games I wonder does Horan actually know his first 15 to start against Galway. Hopefully the injuries can clear up a bit because we saw yesterday that the strength in depth isn't there (or as strong as I personally thought anyway).
Edit: the injuries seem to be getting worse. Rumours Jordan Flynn has a broken ankle. Galway with the advantage at midfield just as we were getting a good partnership. :(
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As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
5?
Which of Fermanagh, Antrim, Cavan, Derry or Down is the 5th?
There might be one and I don't even think there will be this year.
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Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
5?
Which of Fermanagh, Antrim, Cavan, Derry or Down is the 5th?
Derry of course
Kerry's forward play was excellent but it's the improvement in defence, that makes them look almost certs for the All Ireland.
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Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
i really do disagree with that statement. It suggests Tyrone were not the best team last season, when in fact they were, the season before it was Dublin. The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship. Kerry have won the league recently and fell when the real intensity of championship heat is on. Thats the test they have to over come and until then, they are not the best.
That's all a matter of opinion but the best team does not always win a knockout competition. Kerry beat most teams out the gate for the last 2 seasons but Cork in 2020 and to a lesser extent Tyrone last year caught them on the hop. I'd still say Kerry were the best team in Ireland certainly in 2021 but the reality is that they didn't get the job done.
Until they do that in a big game then there will always be question marks about their mental toughness. I would have held out Mayo as their main challenger but seeing how they folded like a deck of cards yesterday it could be one of those soft All Irelands that Kerry pick up every so often this year without being really tested.
Yesterday was only the league, wouldn't read whole pile into it. There's 4 or 5 teams in Ulster that will give Kerry a good test, Dublin will as well should they meet. Mayo won't be beaten like that again this year especially if they can get lads back, but still think with Conroy gone and the limitations of the management team they won't win an AI.
5?
Which of Fermanagh, Antrim, Cavan, Derry or Down is the 5th?
Ok maybe a bit of stretch to include Derry, year or two too early for them.
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Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship.
That's a silly comment. If the best team always won, there'd be no need to watch sport.
When Cork beat Kerry two years ago, they weren't next nor near as good a team as them. They just caught Kerry cold on a terrible day.
Laois knocked Mickey Harte's Tyrone out of the championship one year. They deserved the win, but that Laois team is not a better team than that Tyrone team - they just got them on a day when things went Laois's way.
If Tyrone v Kerry had gone to a replay last year, like pretty much every drawn semi-final in history has done previously, Kerry would have gone into the replay as warm favourites. Kerry threw the first game away with their missed goal chances, it's very rare a favourite doesn't rectify things in a replay. But Tyrone took their chances in extra time with aplomb.
Many refs would not have allowed Rob Hennelly to retake his last second equaliser v the Dubs in the other semi. If he hadn't have been allowed re-take, then the best team on the day would have lost.
Kerry were the best team in the country last year, yet Tyrone 100% deserved their All Ireland. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The best team doesn't always win. The best team on the day usually does, but even that's not 100%.
Nothing silly about it at all. In that season and you win the championship you are the best team. You refer to kerry getting bt by Cork as if Kerry were a brilliant team. They weren't, you also said Kerry were the best team last season, they weren't as they hadn't the ability to beat Tyrone. Tyrone is their nemesis, they dread playing Tyrone in the very latter stages of the championship. When there is little to separate between two teams its the mentality of the group that does the separation. This season we will find out. The best team in that season doesn't get beat. There is no fluke in it. I will accept the odd time the odd blip happens, for example Offaly beating Kerry to stop their five in a row, however its very rare. You could even argue that Kerrys gl against Donegal was lucky, I would argue Kerrys pressure on the keeper forced the error and that pressure is part and parcel of making you the best in that season.
I'd agree with Shawshank there re. Tyrone's seemedly mental strength over Kerry and Jack especially. In terms of players, Kerry would be the best at the minute, but Tyrone will still beat them ( depending on injuries however due to smaller squad :( )
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Quote from: Hound on April 04, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship.
That's a silly comment. If the best team always won, there'd be no need to watch sport.
When Cork beat Kerry two years ago, they weren't next nor near as good a team as them. They just caught Kerry cold on a terrible day.
Laois knocked Mickey Harte's Tyrone out of the championship one year. They deserved the win, but that Laois team is not a better team than that Tyrone team - they just got them on a day when things went Laois's way.
If Tyrone v Kerry had gone to a replay last year, like pretty much every drawn semi-final in history has done previously, Kerry would have gone into the replay as warm favourites. Kerry threw the first game away with their missed goal chances, it's very rare a favourite doesn't rectify things in a replay. But Tyrone took their chances in extra time with aplomb.
Many refs would not have allowed Rob Hennelly to retake his last second equaliser v the Dubs in the other semi. If he hadn't have been allowed re-take, then the best team on the day would have lost.
Kerry were the best team in the country last year, yet Tyrone 100% deserved their All Ireland. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The best team doesn't always win. The best team on the day usually does, but even that's not 100%.
Nothing silly about it at all. In that season and you win the championship you are the best team. You refer to kerry getting bt by Cork as if Kerry were a brilliant team. They weren't, you also said Kerry were the best team last season, they weren't as they hadn't the ability to beat Tyrone. Tyrone is their nemesis, they dread playing Tyrone in the very latter stages of the championship. When there is little to separate between two teams its the mentality of the group that does the separation. This season we will find out. The best team in that season doesn't get beat. There is no fluke in it. I will accept the odd time the odd blip happens, for example Offaly beating Kerry to stop their five in a row, however its very rare. You could even argue that Kerrys gl against Donegal was lucky, I would argue Kerrys pressure on the keeper forced the error and that pressure is part and parcel of making you the best in that season.
Tyrone had plenty of good fortune in beating Kerry last year. The goals came at the right time for them, Clifford going off injured before extra time and Kerry having to wait 6/7 weeks due to the Covid stunt were all factors in Tyrone winning that match. Prior to the game Kerry were strong favourites to win the AI. Tyrone were better than many had given them credit for before the match but it doesn't necessarily mean they are a better side than Kerry, they just beat them on the day.
I would like to see a rematch between Kerry and Tyrone this year to set the record straight but I suspect that Tyrone will bomb out of the championship before then so it may not actually happen.
Particularly with no back door for the last 2 seasons, it meant that the best teams did not necessarily always end up in the latter stages of the championship. The 2 division 4 finalists from last week ended up in AI semi finals in 2020 just as a case in point. Thats the nature of straight knock out football. You could apply the same logic to the CL in soccer where the best side does not always win the competition but this rarely happens in a League format.
::) the reason most games are won due to the timing of goals, as if its a fluke ;D
Tyrone lost 2 men to black cards during the 2nd half of the match and Kerry still couldnt beat them ffs!!!
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Quote from: shawshank on April 05, 2022, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 04, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship.
That's a silly comment. If the best team always won, there'd be no need to watch sport.
When Cork beat Kerry two years ago, they weren't next nor near as good a team as them. They just caught Kerry cold on a terrible day.
Laois knocked Mickey Harte's Tyrone out of the championship one year. They deserved the win, but that Laois team is not a better team than that Tyrone team - they just got them on a day when things went Laois's way.
If Tyrone v Kerry had gone to a replay last year, like pretty much every drawn semi-final in history has done previously, Kerry would have gone into the replay as warm favourites. Kerry threw the first game away with their missed goal chances, it's very rare a favourite doesn't rectify things in a replay. But Tyrone took their chances in extra time with aplomb.
Many refs would not have allowed Rob Hennelly to retake his last second equaliser v the Dubs in the other semi. If he hadn't have been allowed re-take, then the best team on the day would have lost.
Kerry were the best team in the country last year, yet Tyrone 100% deserved their All Ireland. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The best team doesn't always win. The best team on the day usually does, but even that's not 100%.
Nothing silly about it at all. In that season and you win the championship you are the best team. You refer to kerry getting bt by Cork as if Kerry were a brilliant team. They weren't, you also said Kerry were the best team last season, they weren't as they hadn't the ability to beat Tyrone. Tyrone is their nemesis, they dread playing Tyrone in the very latter stages of the championship. When there is little to separate between two teams its the mentality of the group that does the separation. This season we will find out. The best team in that season doesn't get beat. There is no fluke in it. I will accept the odd time the odd blip happens, for example Offaly beating Kerry to stop their five in a row, however its very rare. You could even argue that Kerrys gl against Donegal was lucky, I would argue Kerrys pressure on the keeper forced the error and that pressure is part and parcel of making you the best in that season.
Tyrone had plenty of good fortune in beating Kerry last year. The goals came at the right time for them, Clifford going off injured before extra time and Kerry having to wait 6/7 weeks due to the Covid stunt were all factors in Tyrone winning that match. Prior to the game Kerry were strong favourites to win the AI. Tyrone were better than many had given them credit for before the match but it doesn't necessarily mean they are a better side than Kerry, they just beat them on the day.
I would like to see a rematch between Kerry and Tyrone this year to set the record straight but I suspect that Tyrone will bomb out of the championship before then so it may not actually happen.
Particularly with no back door for the last 2 seasons, it meant that the best teams did not necessarily always end up in the latter stages of the championship. The 2 division 4 finalists from last week ended up in AI semi finals in 2020 just as a case in point. Thats the nature of straight knock out football. You could apply the same logic to the CL in soccer where the best side does not always win the competition but this rarely happens in a League format.
Kerry's wait and losing Clifford for extra time is a lot less than the problems faced by Tyrone. Down to 14 players for 20 minutes of the second half (when Clifford was on the pitch). And when Kerry were training away for the extra week Tyrone were having to take a week off and when they did train down over 15 panelists with covid. I'd be questioning how much better a team Kerry were given they couldn't win under those circumstances.
Quote from: Gael80 on April 04, 2022, 09:56:22 PM
Kerry's forward play was excellent but it's the improvement in defence, that makes them look almost certs for the All Ireland.
Kerry excellent at the cynical fouling out the field allows them to get bodies behind the ball. Strange with all the kerry pundits on TSG they don't highlight this?
Quote from: Gael80 on April 04, 2022, 09:56:22 PM
Kerry's forward play was excellent but it's the improvement in defence, that makes them look almost certs for the All Ireland.
They've won the league the last three years and actually had a better points difference last year.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 05, 2022, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: shawshank on April 05, 2022, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 04, 2022, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
The best team literally 10 times out of 10 wins the championship.
That's a silly comment. If the best team always won, there'd be no need to watch sport.
When Cork beat Kerry two years ago, they weren't next nor near as good a team as them. They just caught Kerry cold on a terrible day.
Laois knocked Mickey Harte's Tyrone out of the championship one year. They deserved the win, but that Laois team is not a better team than that Tyrone team - they just got them on a day when things went Laois's way.
If Tyrone v Kerry had gone to a replay last year, like pretty much every drawn semi-final in history has done previously, Kerry would have gone into the replay as warm favourites. Kerry threw the first game away with their missed goal chances, it's very rare a favourite doesn't rectify things in a replay. But Tyrone took their chances in extra time with aplomb.
Many refs would not have allowed Rob Hennelly to retake his last second equaliser v the Dubs in the other semi. If he hadn't have been allowed re-take, then the best team on the day would have lost.
Kerry were the best team in the country last year, yet Tyrone 100% deserved their All Ireland. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The best team doesn't always win. The best team on the day usually does, but even that's not 100%.
Nothing silly about it at all. In that season and you win the championship you are the best team. You refer to kerry getting bt by Cork as if Kerry were a brilliant team. They weren't, you also said Kerry were the best team last season, they weren't as they hadn't the ability to beat Tyrone. Tyrone is their nemesis, they dread playing Tyrone in the very latter stages of the championship. When there is little to separate between two teams its the mentality of the group that does the separation. This season we will find out. The best team in that season doesn't get beat. There is no fluke in it. I will accept the odd time the odd blip happens, for example Offaly beating Kerry to stop their five in a row, however its very rare. You could even argue that Kerrys gl against Donegal was lucky, I would argue Kerrys pressure on the keeper forced the error and that pressure is part and parcel of making you the best in that season.
Tyrone had plenty of good fortune in beating Kerry last year. The goals came at the right time for them, Clifford going off injured before extra time and Kerry having to wait 6/7 weeks due to the Covid stunt were all factors in Tyrone winning that match. Prior to the game Kerry were strong favourites to win the AI. Tyrone were better than many had given them credit for before the match but it doesn't necessarily mean they are a better side than Kerry, they just beat them on the day.
I would like to see a rematch between Kerry and Tyrone this year to set the record straight but I suspect that Tyrone will bomb out of the championship before then so it may not actually happen.
Particularly with no back door for the last 2 seasons, it meant that the best teams did not necessarily always end up in the latter stages of the championship. The 2 division 4 finalists from last week ended up in AI semi finals in 2020 just as a case in point. Thats the nature of straight knock out football. You could apply the same logic to the CL in soccer where the best side does not always win the competition but this rarely happens in a League format.
The main fortune was how poor Kerry defended and how it easy it was for Tyrone to get those goals. What was Kerry doing in that 6/7 week break? Didn't look like they worked on their defensive issues at all. The recent league game against Tyrone showed they still have problems in defence and a strong defence will be required to win a tight contest in the business end of the championship.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
Said the same to someone yesterday. Ten years on since Horan left Michael Murphy one-on-one in the 2012 all-Ireland, game over after 8 minutes.His lack of game management/tactical awareness is mindboggling.
Quote from: joemamas on April 05, 2022, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
Said the same to someone yesterday. Ten years on since Horan left Michael Murphy one-on-one in the 2012 all-Ireland, game over after 8 minutes.His lack of game management/tactical awareness is mindboggling.
Second goal (that killed the game) was a pure fluke
Ball came off the post
Mayo player had it
Dropped it
Donegal player lashed it to the net
Horan couldn't do much about that one
Quote from: whitey on April 05, 2022, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 05, 2022, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
As with all great players the only way to stop him is to limit him from getting his hands on the ball. To that extent Horan is most culpable, he hung O'Hora out to dry yesterday leaving him exposed in acres of space one on one. Clifford must have thought it was his birthday and I doubt if he will be given as much space in any game this season.
Kerry simply have the best players in the country now especially up front so taking them on man v man is a fools errand. However they have probably been the best team for 2 years now but haven't got the job done come championship so Jack O'Connor will have learned little yesterday that he didn't know already.
Said the same to someone yesterday. Ten years on since Horan left Michael Murphy one-on-one in the 2012 all-Ireland, game over after 8 minutes.His lack of game management/tactical awareness is mindboggling.
Second goal (that killed the game) was a pure fluke
Ball came off the post
Mayo player had it
Dropped it
Donegal player lashed it to the net
Horan couldn't do much about that one
First one wasnt too clever though!
Mayo had a heavy training session on the Friday night before the game. It's no excuse for the performance I know, but it might be, or at least I hope it means it's all guns blazing for the 24th. Unfortunatrly Jordan Flynn's injury has tainted that for me.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2022, 09:56:36 PM
Mayo had a heavy training session on the Friday night before the game. It's no excuse for the performance I know, but it might be, or at least I hope it means it's all guns blazing for the 24th. Unfortunatrly Jordan Flynn's injury has tainted that for me.
How bad is Flynn's injury?
Quote from: whitey on April 05, 2022, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2022, 09:56:36 PM
Mayo had a heavy training session on the Friday night before the game. It's no excuse for the performance I know, but it might be, or at least I hope it means it's all guns blazing for the 24th. Unfortunatrly Jordan Flynn's injury has tainted that for me.
How bad is Flynn's injury?
Broken ankle according to reports.