http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0517/irish-soccer-team-to-honour-loughinisland-victims.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0517/irish-soccer-team-to-honour-loughinisland-victims.html)
Cue Willie Frazer.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 17, 2012, 05:34:18 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0517/irish-soccer-team-to-honour-loughinisland-victims.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0517/irish-soccer-team-to-honour-loughinisland-victims.html)
Well done to the FAI (and UEFA), brilliant gesture, remarkable coincidence in dates and opposition!
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam
Absolutely fantastic - will mean an awful lot to the families. Fair play.
As someone who knew some of the victims of this sectarian atrocity and felt the pain of the occasion (and others), I think this is a mis-judgement.
When OWC roll out a similar gesture however well intentioned for Teebane, Kingsmills or Warrenpoint, will we have such a benign view?
Precedents do not reconciliation make.
Its not the same. Were the victims out watching OWC the finals of a major tournament when those killings occurred? There is no link with the events you mentioned and the OWC soccer team.
Nothing is ever the same - except death.
Great gesture, fair dues FAI (and all involved).
I think it's a nice touch.
Given the fact that the date coincides with it and they where watching ROI vs Italy I think its a perfectly fine and respectful thing to do.
QuoteWhen OWC roll out a similar gesture however well intentioned for Teebane, Kingsmills or Warrenpoint, will we have such a benign view?
Id say most people would surely - theres always a few who like to get a bit overly worked up about such things of course.
Quote from: nifan on May 18, 2012, 08:29:10 AM
Given the fact that the date coincides with it and they where watching ROI vs Italy I think its a perfectly fine and respectful thing to do
I completely agree.
Criticism of the move from strange sources -
EAMON Dunphy and John Giles yesterday criticised the decision to have the Ireland team wear black armbands during the match against Italy at Euro 2012 on June 18.
The FAI confirmed yesterday that Ireland will make the symbolic gesture to commemorate the victims of a loyalist massacre in a Co Down village on the 18th anniversary of the atrocity.
The armbands will be worn in memory of the victims of the Loughinisland shooting on June 18, in 1994.
Six Catholic men were killed by UVF gunmen as Ireland played Italy at the World Cup in the US.
The families contacted the FAI about marking the anniversary and they in turn requested permission from the tournament's governing authority UEFA for the commemoration.
UEFA gave the go-ahead, but both of RTE's leading football pundits said yesterday that such overtly political issues should not have a place in football.
Mr Dunphy said it was "getting into dangerous territory".
"My own view would be no, I don't think it is particularly appropriate," he told the Irish Independent.
"I think reopening the wounds of a fresh conflict is probably not the wisest thing to do.
"I would say don't go there, you're into dangerous territory. And for footballers and sports people in general, they wouldn't always have the political antennae, should we say."
He added that there were other nations involved in the tournament -- including Croatia and Russia -- with "dark histories".
"We would want to be very careful about dragging politics into sport," he said.
Mr Dunphy pointed out that he wore an armband himself to commemorate Bloody Sunday in Derry while playing for London club Millwall in 1972.
"I wore a black armband the Saturday after Bloody Sunday playing for Millwall, which was a gesture which all the other Irish players refused to join me in," he said.
"It was a personal thing, to show English people who knew nothing about why they were even in Ireland, that this had happened. But I would be very careful about that kind of stuff."
Speaking during RTE's launch of the Euro 2012 coverage in Dublin yesterday, Mr Giles also expressed concern about the move.
"I would prefer to see it kept out of it," Mr Giles said in relation to the politicisation of tournaments.
"I can understand some of the sentiments (surrounding) any atrocity.
"I don't know whose decision it was but I wouldn't be in favour of it." However, FAI chief executive John Delaney said yesterday that the black armbands were an opportunity to "remember all those who lost their lives in the Troubles".
Niall Murphy, the solicitor acting on behalf of the victims' families, thanked the FAI and UEFA for the decision.
"The families are touched that this tragic event can be commemorated on such a poignant day," he said.
Nobody has ever been convicted of the massacre in which two men walked into the rural pub and opened fire.
Adrian Rogan (34); Malcolm Jenkinson (53); Barney Greene (87); Daniel McCreanor (59); Patrick O'Hare (35); and Eamon Byrne (39) were all killed.
In 1997, the Irish team controversially wore black armbands before a World Cup qualifier away in Iceland to mark the passing of Diana, Princess of Wales, a week earlier.
Dunphy's comments are measured and thoughtful. Giles' comments have the whiff of the old sport-and-politics-don't-mix mantra beloved of all those who yearned to play in apartheid South Africa
Most people agree that it is a positive gesture. No surprises therefor that Dunphy thinks it's a bad idea. The man would run to the papers to claim black was white if he thought he was being controversial.
I see an Belfast Tele article online about this story:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/how-i-broke-the-news-of-loughinisland-massacre-to-irish-world-cup-squad-16160472.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/how-i-broke-the-news-of-loughinisland-massacre-to-irish-world-cup-squad-16160472.html)
All in all, a surprising but hugely positive move by the FAI.
Allegations surrounding the case include that at least one of the weapons used that night was imported from South Africa by a British agent (Brian Nelson), that four RUC agents were involved in organising the attack. The RUC destroyed the getaway car in 1996 and numerous other pieces of evidence were also destroyed. It is alleged that the car was first supplied for the attack by an RUC agent. The car contained balaclavas, gloves, boiler suits, a bag which the guns were contained in, and even a hair folicle, yet it is alleged that none of those were subjected to modern forensic tests. One woman complained that after reporting to the RUC that she seen the getaway car and gave a description, the report was not acted upon. So hopefully this weeks news will keep the spotlight on this attack and the families campaign for the truth in regards state collusion.
Quote from: deiseach on May 18, 2012, 09:46:52 AM
Dunphy's comments are measured and thoughtful. Giles' comments have the whiff of the old sport-and-politics-don't-mix mantra beloved of all those who yearned to play in apartheid South Africa
I agree with deiseach. Dunphy makes a valid point and gives sound reasons to back up his view, whether you agree with him or not. OK, Dunph is a bit of a professional polemicist and pantomime villain but he does give serious issues thought. Giles comes out with the tired and outdated "All footballers want to do is play football"
Well, in that case, Johnny and Eamon, declare the Danish comp victory as null and void and replay that whole tournament.
Quote from: AQMP on May 18, 2012, 01:50:31 PM
Quote from: deiseach on May 18, 2012, 09:46:52 AM
Dunphy's comments are measured and thoughtful. Giles' comments have the whiff of the old sport-and-politics-don't-mix mantra beloved of all those who yearned to play in apartheid South Africa
I agree with deiseach. Dunphy makes a valid point and gives sound reasons to back up his view, whether you agree with him or not. OK, Dunph is a bit of a professional polemicist and pantomime villain but he does give serious issues thought. Giles comes out with the tired and outdated "All footballers want to do is play football"
I agree with that too, whilst the armbands have several reasons in their favour there does exist arguments against them as well. It has to be said that they muddy the waters between sport and politics and where do we draw the line between the events we mark on the soccer calender and the ones we don't? On the flipside it's important to mark and remember the events at Loughisland especially considering that a large proportion of the Irish support during the Euro's won't have a clue what the team are wearing armbands for.
I find the whole situation a hard one to call, would the Argentines be allowed to mark the sinking of the Belgrano or the Israeli's to mark the Munich hostages?
"It has to be said that they muddy the waters between sport and politics and where do we draw the line between the events we mark on the soccer calender and the ones we don't?"
Precedent for all kinds of politically inspired "gestures" - not good. It is ironic that this soccer story is being discussed on a GAA board. The GAA would be more sensitive to the wider issues given rise by such a selectve commeration (however commenserate).
Quote from: hardstation on May 18, 2012, 10:00:26 PM
Loughinisland has always had the soccer match between Ireland and Italy associated with it. It just so happens that both teams will be playing each other again on the same date. It's not just wearing armbands to remember the date of any aul event in history.
The whole community think it is a fantastic gesture from the FAI and Uefa. Agree with what Hardstation says, it's not just any aul event. The fact that the victims were watching Ireland v Italy 18 years ago to the day is the only reason the armbands are being worn, nothing to do with politics or any other reason.
It will inevitably lead to commemoration escalation and an armbands race.
Agreed Mike. FFS this was an initiative by the families so it is obviously something meaningful for them. This is unique in that aside from being the exact anniversary, the same two teams are involved. As the Tele article I linked to said, the planets all alligned to make this the perfect opportunity. A one off chance. What is it about this country that even something as clear cut, genuine and seemingly inoffensive as this is always seized upon by cynical hoors spouting totally bogus but lofty sounding arguments. Comparisons with the sinking of the belgrano etc are farcical. That event had nothing to do with the Argentinian football team. The victims of Loughinisland were killed while supporting their team, so when the planets align as they have, it would be remiss to not allow their team to remember them.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 18, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
Most people agree that it is a positive gesture. No surprises therefor that Dunphy thinks it's a bad idea. The man would run to the papers to claim black was white if he thought he was being controversial.
Indeed, you only have to look at his endorsement in the presidential campaign.
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
Fair play. You've nailed it Myles.
Close the thread.
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 19, 2012, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
Fair play. You've nailed it Myles.
Close the thread.
totally agree. spot on myles.
Quote from: Hardy on May 19, 2012, 10:56:55 AM
It will inevitably lead to commemoration escalation and an armbands race.
Undoubtedly it will but that won't unduly worry me.
Each case should be judged on its particular merits and I think the present one deserved to get the go-ahead.
I don't see any sectarian or political issues involved and I expect the gesture will be appreciated by fair-minded people everywhere.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
Agree totally Myles (!!!) ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 19, 2012, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 19, 2012, 10:56:55 AM
It will inevitably lead to commemoration escalation and an armbands race.
Undoubtedly it will but that won't unduly worry me.
Each case should be judged on its particular merits and I think the present one deserved to get the go-ahead.
I don't see any sectarian or political issues involved and I expect the gesture will be appreciated by fair-minded people everywhere.
I agree, Lar. I just predict a tit-for-tat campaign and a clamour the next time OWC line out unless they're suitably armbanded.
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I agree, Lar. I just predict a tit-for-tat campaign and a clamour the next time OWC line out unless they're suitably armbanded.
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Don't be silly.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
Spot on.
Out of interest, should tit-for-tat emerge from this (even though it won't), can anyone pinpoint what the corresponding remembrance/commemoration would be?
Or is that school of thought just more lazy, out-of-context commentary as usual?
Well, since people of certain political persuasions have no trouble positing an equivalence between the GAA and the Orange Order, I don't suppose they'd be particularly rigorous in selecting their imagined equivalent of Loughinisland.
I agree with the sentiments expressed here regarding the justification for this remembrance, but as there are those who want an equivalent other for the Orange order, may I bring this discussion to a close by saying that the Orange order were indiscriminately murdered; with support from the powers to be, in Croke park on a sunday afternoon in September in 2004
Well done to the FAI on this
Quote from: ardal on May 20, 2012, 08:40:23 PM
I agree with the sentiments expressed here regarding the justification for this remembrance, but as there are those who want an equivalent other for the Orange order, may I bring this discussion to a close by saying that the Orange order were indiscriminately murdered; with support from the powers to be, in Croke park on a sunday afternoon in September in 2004
If by Orange order you mean Armagh then I think you're wrong... ;) Myles hit it straight dead right. As someone who has vivid memories of that night I think it is very fitting that the event be remembered in this one off fashion.
Well done to the FAI and UEFA. I remember vivedly celebrating in Warrenpoint square after that famous victory, then the word spread around and the look of shock on peoples faces to what had happened only a few miles away in our own county. everytime i see Houghtons goal i think of Loughinisland. Its only right these innocent victims are remembered.
May they rest in peace
Quote from: snoopdog on May 21, 2012, 04:44:36 PM
everytime i see Houghtons goal i think of Loughinisland.
Jaysus. You can do without that :(
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
The perpetrators of the killings certainly thought people were there watching "their team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre#cite_note-The_Economist-5)".
QuoteFor the 24 fans gathered in Heights Bar in the quiet village of Loughinisland in County Down, the cheering was followed by carnage. Two men walked into the pub and sprayed the room with bullets, killing six and wounding five, and then fled laughing. The Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant terrorist group, later claimed it had carried out the attack. It chose the pub only because it knew that those gathered to support Ireland's team would be Catholic.
The people who died in that pub would not have died had the Republic not been playing in the World Cup that night. It seems appropriate to remember this on the same day eighteen years later that the Republic play Italy again in a major championship
QuoteI don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Leo, why do we always have to open these things out to remember everyone - there is a very distinct link in this case to a particular incident.
It just goes a tiny way to make up for the decision to Mark the death of the the Diana spenser a member of the English royal Family.
i could never support the FAI's team after that ,
They knew what side there bread was buttered on then just as they know now,
with young nationalist from the 6 counties, Mclean et al ,choosing to play for the FAI. this is an attempt to Drive a further wedge between 'Us and Them'
Quote from: glens abu on May 22, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
I would normally applaud this decision by the FAI, but when I find myself in agreement with hate-filled merchants like your self, instinctively I rush to embrace the opposing arguments. Down with this sort of thing.
,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
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A low nasty comment. Shame on you.
Quote from: dillinger on May 22, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
A low nasty comment. Shame on you.
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Catch yourself on,what have I to be ashamed about?I was replying to Leo that the only people who asked for this gesture of the FAI were the families of those who were murdered in Loughinisland by the UVF in collusion with the RUC.He asked why nobody was remembering the RUC man who was killed that day and I said that he would be remembered by his family and friends,he also has his name on a plaque in Knock headquarters,in the RUC memorial garden and has been awarded the George Cross for being a member of that organisation.Sorry if your offended but I think the Loughinisland families just want their loved ones remembered in a small way on the 18th anniversary of their murder.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 22, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 22, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
I would normally applaud this decision by the FAI, but when I find myself in agreement with hate-filled merchants like your self, instinctively I rush to embrace the opposing arguments. Down with this sort of thing.
Hate-filled?I have no love whatsoever for RUC,British army,or their government who have murdered many friends and a relative as I know you have no love for the IRA and other Republicans,if this makes me hate-filled you need to have a look in the mirror.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 22, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 22, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
I would normally applaud this decision by the FAI, but when I find myself in agreement with hate-filled merchants like your self, instinctively I rush to embrace the opposing arguments. Down with this sort of thing.
That makes you as stupid as those who are voting No in the treaty just to give the government a bloody nose.
Quote from: glens abu on May 23, 2012, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: dillinger on May 22, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
A low nasty comment. Shame on you.
Catch yourself on,what have I to be ashamed about?I was replying to Leo that the only people who asked for this gesture of the FAI were the families of those who were murdered in Loughinisland by the UVF in collusion with the RUC.He asked why nobody was remembering the RUC man who was killed that day and I said that he would be remembered by his family and friends,he also has his name on a plaque in Knock headquarters,in the RUC memorial garden and has been awarded the George Cross for being a member of that organisation.Sorry if your offended but I think the Loughinisland families just want their loved ones remembered in a small way on the 18th anniversary of their murder.
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O.K. Sorry if i took something out of your comment that wasn't meant to be there. As i said before about the people they are remembering, i think it's a nice touch. No one should read any more into it.
Look Dillinger. That's fair enough and resaonable comment
And on all sides we have our moments
But no matter how many families support this move its is still a mindfied and the FAI have walked straight into it.
Give it a couple of years and you will be on here saying ....."I told you so".
Fair enough Leo, i know what you mean. The I.F.A. won't be doing any armbands, can't see any reason why. Unless we play the Germans on the 1st of July.
Or Da Rapubbalick on the 12th.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 23, 2012, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 22, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 22, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
I would normally applaud this decision by the FAI, but when I find myself in agreement with hate-filled merchants like your self, instinctively I rush to embrace the opposing arguments. Down with this sort of thing.
That makes you as stupid as those who are voting No in the treaty just to give the government a bloody nose.
But not as dumb as those voting yes because the government say we'll be heading into "uncertainty" if we vote no. Like everything has been and will be grand. I can't make up my mind if they are liars or idiots.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 23, 2012, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 22, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 22, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 19, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
People were murdered while they watched their team play on TV. The team is remembering these supporters on the anniversary of the massacre. Simple as that and only controversial because some muppets declared it so. No more different than Liverpool remembering hillsborough.
How do you know they were watching "their team" on TV?
I knew one of the victims - and he had no interest whatever in soccer - this was his local where he went regularly - there could have been darts or kickboxing on for all he cared - he went for his quiet pint and a bit of chat and was brutally murdered.
It is a tenuous and I have to say one-sided attitude that gives rise to this FAI move, however well iintentioned.
A decent man who believed he was serving his community by joining the police was murdered on the same day. Who can say whther he had an interest in this "beautiful game" or otherwise.
How many of those supporting this gesture even know he died or remember his name?
We can skew our sense of injustice so easily in this tiny island without regard to our neighbours.
I don't blame the relatives; if I was related I think I would (a) welcome this gesture and (b) ask those who are behind it if they would care to remember others as well.
Who are you talking about when you say the people behind it?The only people behind it are the families and their legal team,as for the cop that was shot I am sure he will be remembered by those who care for him and sure he has the George Cross.
I would normally applaud this decision by the FAI, but when I find myself in agreement with hate-filled merchants like your self, instinctively I rush to embrace the opposing arguments. Down with this sort of thing.
That makes you as stupid as those who are voting No in the treaty just to give the government a bloody nose.
But not as dumb as those voting yes because the government say we'll be heading into "uncertainty" if we vote no. Like everything has been and will be grand. I can't make up my mind if they are liars or idiots.
Try both Magpie.