I take it the Crossmaglen players will become available?
I'd say they would, but most will be on the bench.
would you stay loyal to those that showed the spirit and fight to beat down or would you bring them straight back in?? Tricky one as most of the cross lads will probably be partying for a few days win or lose. Its a must win game though, am I right in saying Armagh could actually still make the top 4?
yes if results go armaghs way - 4th place is possible - i would be happy with 6th place and div 1 survival
Don't think I could name a team without Jamie Clarke and Aaron Kernan. Clarke alone would cause havoc in Donegal's full back line.
Have you seen donegal play lately? If we beat them it won't be thru our full forward line. Really doesn't matter who plays inside - they'll be surrounded.
Armagh do not need any more players to beat Donegal. They just need the players they have to play with the same attitude as they did on Saturday night to win the game. Clarke is a different class and Kernan adds power to the attack. But I think it would be disrespectful to the players who took the field on Saturday to say that they would have improved the performance by a great amount. Armagh didn't waste many opportunities. It's not like you would say that Clarke would have got some of the 5 or 6 chances Rafferty missed. Because Rafferty didn't miss 5 or 6 chances.
However if Kernan and Clarke were there AND put in the shift that the other lads did on Saturday then yes they probably would have improved the result. But that was more than just an average performance or average commitment and no one deserved to have their place taken off them in that Armagh side.
Same attitude, same work-rate, same commitment against Donegal and Armagh will survive in the Division. But it has been a topsy turvy Division one this year. Will the players be able to lift themselves to the same level again?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 25, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Don't think I could name a team without Jamie Clarke and Aaron Kernan. Clarke alone would cause havoc in Donegal's full back line.
Don't think he would get away from all 9 of them. ???
Jamie Clarke and David McKenna don't drink, AK, TK, SK are light drinkers as is Aaron Cunningham, Johnny, well less said the better ;)!! I would imagine that Jamie and Aaron will certainly make themselves available and would surely add to the current team. Titch would add to it if he had his right head on. Will be interesting to see who is considered but they have a wee game to get out of the way first ;D The one thing they will need to beat Donegal are hard runners who can create the overlap that's why the likes of AK and TK would be ideal for it.
I would like to see Aaron Cunningham get a run out against Donegal, in a half forward line along with Mackin and Anto Duffy. I'd be curious to see if this would work in advance of the championship game with Tyrone. I feel this option might curb the influence of Sean Cavanagh and Peter Harte. They are all strong, can compete on kick outs, work hard and can carry ball and link up well with defence.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 26, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Jamie Clarke and David McKenna don't drink, AK, TK, SK are light drinkers as is Aaron Cunningham, Johnny, well less said the better ;)!! I would imagine that Jamie and Aaron will certainly make themselves available and would surely add to the current team. Titch would add to it if he had his right head on. Will be interesting to see who is considered but they have a wee game to get out of the way first ;D The one thing they will need to beat Donegal are hard runners who can create the overlap that's why the likes of AK and TK would be ideal for it.
AK has great attacking qualities. Is his defensive abilities better than the other half backs?
QuoteDon't think he would get away from all 9 of them. ???
In some of the Cross games it was notable that several backs were running to Jamie, who was then successfully passing the ball to other forwards. So although he didn't score, the others made hay.
QuoteI would like to see Aaron Cunningham get a run out against Donegal,
The recent AI final wasn't Cunningham's best game, but he may do better this week.
Quote from: Orior on March 26, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 26, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Jamie Clarke and David McKenna don't drink, AK, TK, SK are light drinkers as is Aaron Cunningham, Johnny, well less said the better ;)!! I would imagine that Jamie and Aaron will certainly make themselves available and would surely add to the current team. Titch would add to it if he had his right head on. Will be interesting to see who is considered but they have a wee game to get out of the way first ;D The one thing they will need to beat Donegal are hard runners who can create the overlap that's why the likes of AK and TK would be ideal for it.
AK has great attacking qualities. Is his defensive abilities better than the other half backs?
Yes and he has the engine and the drive that the other lads don't quite have.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 26, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Jamie Clarke and David McKenna don't drink, AK, TK, SK are light drinkers as is Aaron Cunningham, Johnny, well less said the better ;)!! I would imagine that Jamie and Aaron will certainly make themselves available and would surely add to the current team. Titch would add to it if he had his right head on. Will be interesting to see who is considered but they have a wee game to get out of the way first ;D The one thing they will need to beat Donegal are hard runners who can create the overlap that's why the likes of AK and TK would be ideal for it.
I would hardly call TK a 'hard runner' as he often gives me the impression that he hasn't the strength to stand up, never mind run. I would love to see the introduction of morgan, AK, j clarke and cunningham although from an interview I read a couple of weeks back Cunningham was looking for a bit of a break when cross finished up.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 25, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Have you seen donegal play lately? If we beat them it won't be thru our full forward line. Really doesn't matter who plays inside - they'll be surrounded.
are ye serious ? Donegal are not defensive this year and we'll still being critisied. a lot of other teams are far worse and nothign is said. exhibit A : dublin on saturday night. no word of their defesivness
This game still in Ballybofey?
Someone told me that they had heard it was shifted to Ballyshannon,
Quote from: regal on March 26, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
I would love to see the introduction of morgan, AK, j clarke and cunningham although from an interview I read a couple of weeks back Cunningham was looking for a bit of a break when cross finished up.
I wouldn't be too convinced about this argument at all. Obviously the Cross boys are working hard but they have played two matches in since the turn of the year. The players on the county panel have had three McKenna Cup matches and six league matches including four in four weeks in March. do they deserve a break? Oh, and nobody come back with the excuse that the county boys weren't training in November and December, think we all know the story there! Lads of Cunningham's age should be busting for a game...Jamie Clarke doesn't have this attitude in fairness.
QuoteOh, and nobody come back with the excuse that the county boys weren't training in November and December, think we all know the story there! Lads of Cunningham's age should be busting for a game...Jamie Clarke doesn't have this attitude in fairness.
I think this is a bit harsh. Anyone might want to go on holiday for a week or whatever. The Armagh panel may have done some training in November/December but there was a month or so in September/October when there wasn't much doing for most of them.
If Aaron Cunningham is heading away for a foreign holiday.....fair enough.....if he's just going to be lying in the armchair.....that's up to him but I'd say the Armagh management will view it as poor form. If more established players like AK and Jamie Clarke can manage it then he should also.
Murphy away for an op on his knee. Doubtful for this game.
I'll be v surprised if aaron cunningham is on the radar for the county management
Quote from: donegal_abu on March 26, 2012, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 25, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Have you seen donegal play lately? If we beat them it won't be thru our full forward line. Really doesn't matter who plays inside - they'll be surrounded.
are ye serious ? Donegal are not defensive this year and we'll still being critisied. a lot of other teams are far worse and nothign is said. exhibit A : dublin on saturday night. no word of their defesivness
we weren't defensive enough... bring back the good old days!
That would be the strongest team I have seen for a while. Shame Stevie isn't there.
Quote from: AFS on April 05, 2012, 11:36:30 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on April 05, 2012, 11:28:01 PM
That would be the strongest team I have seen for a while.
Really? I'd worry if that team actually started. The forward line looks very light on fire power. Outside of Raffery winning frees for Stevenson to tap over, I don't see much to trouble the scoreboard.
Don't think that team will start to be honest, even if it does, I would expect Jamie to play at some point and Aaron. Kingham could hopefully be used as a target man up front.
It's interesting that Morgan isn't mentioned on the panel?
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2012, 08:03:37 AM
It's interesting that Morgan isn't mentioned on the panel?
Me too...
I'd start with
McEvoy
A Mallon
B Donaghy
J Morgan
A Kernan
K McKeever
D McKenna
C Vernon
J Lavery (still thing James lack of mobility at this level is a concern)
A Duffy
B Mallon
J Clarke (If Mal Mackin was fit he'd be here)
C Rafferty
BJ Padden
David Lavery
Now it's just a pity we hadn't S McDonnell, R Clarke and K Toner to add to that. That with possibly Hearty in nets would be a serious team for championship ;)
Is david Lavery the lad who came on and was taken off again the last day?
I'm not seeing the dec McKenna thing at all. Down was the frst day he kept his head above water - every other game he has been v poor
Apparently McBrearty is flying back from London and the AFL trials on Sunday morning, while McFadden is not a certainty to start either. We could be very, very light on options up front, with Murphy already gone. Not what we need for a game against Armagh of all counties. Decent efforts in 2002 and 2006, and to a lesser extent, 2007, aside, we've just thrown in the towel against them too many times over the past 10 years. Don't care too much if we're relegated, but another tanking from Armagh would be hard to take.
Surely the entire McGuinness project is to ensure that Donegal does not get beaten by Armagh. If Donegal cannot beat the modern reduced Armagh at home to avoid getting relegated, then not much progress has been made.
I think we've made considerable progress, regardless of what happens on Sunday. This side are nothing special, talent-wise, comapred to other Donegal side over the past ten years. Just a lot more focus, belief, fitness and organization. And in the past, 2003 AI semi aside, we've played an open, traditional game against Armagh and got hammered physically. Just not sure we'll make much headway against Armagh without Murphy, especially if the other two boys are not firing on all cylinders or even not playing. Now part of my pessimism is just fatalism after years of frustration and humiliation, but its also down to missing our lynchpin player. He's not someone we can replace. Hopefully the boys will step up though and the heads won't drop if Armagh get on top. They've had plenty of good comebacks over the past year.
There is something about beating Donegal which is always very satisfying. You just couldn't beat them hard enough and often enough. However, Donegal without Murphy is a severe handicap. I hope McBrearty plays because he really looks like another exceptional talent - another tough test lies ahead for Donaghy.
any tv coverage for this?
Quote from: Santino on April 06, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
any tv coverage for this?
No. Cork v Dublin is the live game.
Can you listen to Radio Ulster MW 1341 on the net ?
Quote from: Shortso79 on April 08, 2012, 01:57:21 PM
Can you listen to Radio Ulster MW 1341 on the net ?
Not sure but you can get it here on Highland radio
http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/ (http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 08, 2012, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: Shortso79 on April 08, 2012, 01:57:21 PM
Can you listen to Radio Ulster MW 1341 on the net ?
Not sure but you can get it here on Highland radio
http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/ (http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/)
Cheers - looked all over the net - but no luck
Unable to make the journey today
by the sounds of things donegal are wasting a lot of ball and are still only 1 point behind will be a case of who wants it more now in these final 15 minutes
Feck me, we are a point down and Clarke just missed a goal chance from an acute angle, all we need is a draw, c'mon Armagh.
last 5 minutes donegal 1 point ahead playing ok by the sounds of it consider there is no murphy
last minute, two points down and we need Clarke to put one in the net in the next two minutes. :'(
Bye bye Division 1.
Gutted.
Fair play to Donegal, they played their guts out in that second half and would not be denied, we had our opportunities but wasted a lot of frees and we had two great goal chances and failed to take either of them.
It was a roller coaster ride again this year in the league but we can take heart from the fact that this campaign brought some players along.
that armagh relegated then?
Quote from: regal on April 06, 2012, 10:47:35 PM
There is something about beating Donegal which is always very satisfying. You just couldn't beat them hard enough and often enough. However, Donegal without Murphy is a severe handicap. I hope McBrearty plays because he really looks like another exceptional talent - another tough test lies ahead for Donaghy.
Enjoy Division 2!
Great second half by our boys by all accounts (close one at the end though!). Can't complain about scoring 8 of the last 9 points! And nice to finally get a decent win against Armagh when it matters!
Sorry to see Armagh relegated, they are Div.1 material, The Cross victory did them no favours, leaving them repleted for long periods during league. Sure they will bounce back quickly, but hopefully not in championship
Here are my thoughts on the performances:
McEvoy - didn't impress (although hearty rarely does either). Unsure under the one high ball that came in and kickouts were not great - although the fact we didn't have any midfielders on wouldn't have helped him
AMallon - Very good game. Snuffed out McBrearty when he came on
Donaghy - A superb game from a really class footballer. We could be doing with him in midfield
McKenna - Done well, although he is prone to holding off the ball. Looks more comfortable in the half back line
Duffy - Came off injured (I think) at half time. Fairly quiet
McKeever - Not at his best. Had a few poor passes which lead to Donegal scores
Moriarty - he marked McHugh which meant he spent most of his time in the half forward line. Consistantly gets involved in stupid / off the ball incidents. Should have received a straight red for a kneeing. Replaced. Poor game
AKernan - Midfield! It was hard to know what his role was meant to be. Used the ball fairly well
Vernon - We never won a single ball at midfield today (until rafferty in injury time). I thought he was very poor, however, no doubt his army of supporters will correct me. Offers little, doesn't compete like a midfielder should, wastes possession when he has it. I don't know whether the management are being overly loyal or that our options at midfield are so limited
BMallon - done ok, unluckly to be taken off
Dyas - I thought he was very good when he moved to the half back line at half time. Good game
ADuffy - Excellent game. Carries the ball well and rarely wastes possession
Stevenson - Scored about 6 brilliant frees. He has a really sweet left foot. Didn't contribute anything from open play. Replaced
CRafferty - Not his best game, but I really rate him. Strong, robust and direct. He has to start v tyrone
JClarke - waited 10 minutes before he touched the ball and when he did he was at the corner flag. It doesn't matter how good he is if we cant get the ball to him. Could have had a goal when it was 10 - 10
Subs:
Tkernan (for PDuffy) - Poor. taken off before the end
MORourke (for BMallon) - Poor
McParland (for Stevenson) - one wide, but little ball going his way
Kingham (for TKernan) - Went to FF but fluffed a glorious chance to win it
Lavery (not sure who he replaced) - competed with Gallagher. Perhaps should have started
Genuinely sorry to see Armagh relegated. Our game was fantastic last month. Armagh really showed they are a Division 1 side and deserved to be there. The ost exciting game I attended in this year's league was our match at teh Athletic grounds. That's the reason for going to football
Passionate second half performance from Donegal today. They really took control in the middle of the park, with Mcloone, Bradley, Gallagher, thompson and mchugh all putting in quality performances. They moved the ball forward very quickly but ran out of space in the scoring zone, but still managed to score 8 points in the second half. Thought it would have been better if McFadden and mcbrearty stood on the end line to give the running players more space, they were coming too deep and congested the danger zone. Lacey did a fine job on Clarke, however Clarke did catch a couple of great balls under tremendous pressure. Ref was good today and generally let play flow. Well done to Donegal and I look forward to seeing them in the championship, I think we got a glimpse today of intensity they will bring to championship games. Saw Donal Reid along the line today, didn't realise he was involved in the management set-up!
Terrible game of football. Armagh started out trying to mirror Donegal and only played one midfielder as the other options available were not mobile enough. Although this worked for a good part of the game once Donegal decided to change formation which meant more ball was kicked to midfield Armagh lost out. Donegal got a head of steam up and between leaving the substitution too long and missed chances Donegal never looked like losing once they got ahead. The match was exciting if you supported either team but I am sure not many neutrals would have enjoyed it. The hand passing and running off the shoulder resembled a rugby back line move. In simple terms I think both teams played the Donegal way but Donegal were better at it. This was a long way from the proper football matches I enjoyed against Down and Mayo. From an Armagh point of view the best players were Mallon, Donaghy and Dyas. All defenders. Says it all really.
I don't think things are as doom and gloom as everyone is painting after yesterday. Forstly, you cannot play the football you want to against donegal - they force you to play a form of their game whther you like it or not. Kicking the ball into a full forward line where three of our men are marked by 6 or 8 donegal men is kicking it away so you have to run the ball unfortunately and draw them out kicking scores from distance. I would venture a guess to say that TK was taken out again because he continually kicked the ball away. Its a nice ideal but at this level you have to be able to think on your feet.
i thought we coped comfortably at the back for long periods, worked the kick outs very well and countered intelligently. AK & Dyas typified the good work in this regard that we produced to be 3 up with fifteen minutes to go. Unusually, McKeever was a major problem in possession and kicking the ball back to donegal started the turnaround for them. Up until Jamie's miss we had them where we needed them - they were behind and having to push more and more men out to give our forwards a bit of space to play in. once they got level we paniced and they were in control. because of the way they play, virtually every one of their games is in the balance in the last ten minutes. they looked the more experienced team and made good decisions under pressure. we did not - gave the ball away consistently trying to force the game.
as someone said, the substitutions didn't really work. TK was obviously not on the same plan as everyone else and maybe it was unfair bringing him on at all. the only change i wouldn't argue with was mor - for me mallon was producing very little and mor produced 4/5 scoring opportunities for himself in the last 15 minutes - more than the rest of our forwards did in 70. that he didn't takke them is not managemen't fault.
overall it has been a positive campaign for trialling younger players and building a panel. however, i still see no distinct pattern of play or evidence of a playing ethos that defines us. the best teams in the country are a few years ahead of us in that regard. to give management the benefit of the doubt, they have 4/5 weeks now to try to address this with a full panel to work with. tyrone have reinvented themselves in terms of style and methodology so we are way behind in that regard.
we're not beating tyrone but if we can get organised now and gel all of the players we can get a run to an All ireland 1/4 final. with the playing panel we have, anything less will be failure and barring winning sam, POR's time is up anyway and time to move on.
So typical that all Armagh people are on here slating Donegals style now!!! Take your beating lads caus Donegal deserved the win after showing that determination. The funniest thing is we were without our best player Michael Murphy (who most say is the DOnegal team on his own) and our all star full back Neil McGee and others aswell like McGrath and Toye while McBrearty wasnt on form after his trial.
And no offence or anything... but oww boy revenge for the last few years sure is sweeeet ;)
Donegal-Abu I think we are entitled to question Donegal's style of play as it is awful to watch and makes refereeing even more difficult as it puts so many bodies close together that it is hard to decide what is a foul or not - maybe that is the plan. (have to say I thought referee did well yesterday though). On a positive though everyone knows their system which makes it earlier for replacements to come in as they know their role. At the minute Armagh do not have this which is why they got relegated.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
Donegal-Abu I think we are entitled to question Donegal's style of play as it is awful to watch and makes refereeing even more difficult as it puts so many bodies close together that it is hard to decide what is a foul or not - maybe that is the plan. (have to say I thought referee did well yesterday though). On a positive though everyone knows their system which makes it earlier for replacements to come in as they know their role. At the minute Armagh do not have this which is why they got relegated.
Fair enough when its beats you your going to question it. But a lot of people above seem to blaming DOnegals style for Armagh losing... Armagh did that all on their own
I would take that as a compliment to Donegal!
Donegal's "style" of football did not beat Armagh yesterday, Armagh's inability to break it down did. This coupled with Armagh's general lack of game plan has meant Armagh are like a rollercoaster alright, up and down but there looks to be no rails in some of the carriages!
dont know what to make of this league campaign. wheres the armagh team that beat the life out of cork in the second half of that match. wheres the armagh team that dublin stuffed. theres no consistancy, no game plan that i can see. team selection seems to be like drawing names out of a hat. the players are there! i repeat the players are there!! its not like years ago when we just didnt have the stuff, but we just dont seem to be getting it on. it was a mistake to draft in the cross players so quickly imo apart from arron they added little and upset what little consistancy there was. statements in the paper from grimley that he is a 'stopgap' suggest he expects to get the boot or intends to pull the plug. either way it doesnt look like he wants the job after por. what pees me off most is that we are a better team than down and theyre in the playoffs. pity we wont get a couple more games at this level before tyrone.
You should bear in mind that cork had only 14 men. Kerry was the stand out performance of this league campaign.
In what paper did PG say he was a stop gap?
In fairness Armagh are nowhere near being among the best 8 teams in the country so div 2 is about right for them.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on April 10, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
In fairness Armagh are nowhere near being among the best 8 teams in the country so div 2 is about right for them.
How do you figure that out, they were in division 1 last year and were unlucky to go down, missing a third of their starting players in the process.
I would say we are in the top eight.....just. We have found some excellent players in the league and Jamie Clarke is going to be the best player in football in a year or two, we will be fine and we will contend for an AI title in the next couple of years.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on April 10, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
In fairness Armagh are nowhere near being among the best 8 teams in the country so div 2 is about right for them.
The best 8 in the country are in Div 1? plenty of the Div 2 teams are just as good.
I dont understand the guys who are sayin there is no gameplan, it's there, with the continuing changes in personnel due to injuries etc.. it was everychanging which in itself is leads to inconsistency and the appearance of haphazardness. IMO the fingerprints of Brendan Hughes are clearly visible, the Ogs running game is there plain as day, as this is a big step up from Armagh club football there's obviously been some amendments to it, but it's there. I dont know what went on at the weekend, AK in MF was a strange one, the Cross boys obviously haven't had time to adapt to the new set up with Grimley and Hughes there. I actaully have a lot more confidence in the set up this year, than the previous 2 years. We mightn't be good enough for Tyrone but with a bit of luck we could have a long enough Summer - that however will probably not be enough for some of Armagh's supporters, who dont like dealing in realities.
Armagh are always going to struggle in the league without the Cross players.
Quote from: donegal_abu on April 09, 2012, 11:40:55 AM
So typical that all Armagh people are on here slating Donegals style now!!! Take your beating lads caus Donegal deserved the win after showing that determination. The funniest thing is we were without our best player Michael Murphy (who most say is the DOnegal team on his own) and our all star full back Neil McGee and others aswell like McGrath and Toye while McBrearty wasnt on form after his trial.
And no offence or anything... but oww boy revenge for the last few years sure is sweeeet ;)
Donegal have taken puke football to new depths, and it is depressing that Armagh don't seem to know what their game plan is. If you go man to man then you wont leave 4/5 men marking 3 up front and kick passing is a better option. Armagh seem to respond to the oppositions game plan instead of sticking to and imposing their own. You don't play like we did against Kerry and Down and not have some quality. Tyrone will probably beat us because they are better organised. It's time to look at John Raff or AOR/MOR or all 3. Grimley has had his day as well.
Tune in next week to see who is the new flavour of the month to replace the current management, in fact a week is too generous, give it a day or two.
One of my favourite bits of text, the 'Alcoholics' prayer - (Serenity prayer).
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
POR is going nowhere for the immediate future, shut the f**k up about it and move on.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 11, 2012, 03:57:33 PM
Tune in next week to see who is the new flavour of the month to replace the current management, in fact a week is too generous, give it a day or two.
One of my favourite bits of text, the 'Alcoholics' prayer - (Serenity prayer).
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
POR is going nowhere for the immediate future, shut the f**k up about it and move on.
Why shut the f**k up? Am I not entitled to an opinion? John Rafferty has been a flavour of mine for the last few years, check back through my posts should you care. POR was a disaster with Down and and best has been inconsistent with Armagh. We need to bring in someone with new ideas. The fact that POR suits the CB doesn't take away from the fact that he's had a chance and blew it.
You really think there's going to be a change 8 weeks before championship?
Absolutely not, I didn't say there should be, just role on the end of the season and thank POR and let him go.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 11, 2012, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: donegal_abu on April 09, 2012, 11:40:55 AM
So typical that all Armagh people are on here slating Donegals style now!!! Take your beating lads caus Donegal deserved the win after showing that determination. The funniest thing is we were without our best player Michael Murphy (who most say is the DOnegal team on his own) and our all star full back Neil McGee and others aswell like McGrath and Toye while McBrearty wasnt on form after his trial.
And no offence or anything... but oww boy revenge for the last few years sure is sweeeet ;)
Donegal have taken puke football to new depths, and it is depressing that Armagh don't seem to know what their game plan is. If you go man to man then you wont leave 4/5 men marking 3 up front and kick passing is a better option. Armagh seem to respond to the oppositions game plan instead of sticking to and imposing their own. You don't play like we did against Kerry and Down and not have some quality. Tyrone will probably beat us because they are better organised. It's time to look at John Raff or AOR/MOR or all 3. Grimley has had his day as well.
Are u mad, john raff, AOR, or MOR?
Raff is a good guy, but would hardly do much better than paddy has already. AOR- seems to get tagged as a master coach in some areas due to time spent in sigerson, maybe he was highly rated when coaching in kildare, i don't know, but i wudn't have him anywhere near the armagh job. Listen, i'm not a paddy fan but he'l be gone at the end of the year so let him have his final blast. We have two good respected armagh coaches in there already in grimley and hughes, so surely they take credit and blame also?
One thing is for sure, wer nowhere near good enough to get to a semi final this year, unless we get we get real lucky.
And who is MOR? i know 2 of them but i hope ur not thinking of them as a manager.
Tony McEntee can have the job once he has 3 a row done with cross, he doesn't need to rush into it, but he would be the stand out candidate in my book.
MOr was part of the St.Pauls managment team that won an all ireland. Great choice for manager. ;) ;) ;)
Kidergarden time around here. POR is there for the forseeable. Happen to think that Hughes is the best addition to the set up this year as he brings tactical nous - the area where por is majorly weak.
Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 11, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
MOr was part of the St.Pauls managment team that won an all ireland. Great choice for manager. ;) ;) ;)
That is the MOR i was thinking of, how anyone could suggest him as a manager is beyond me, i assume this is a joke. He was one of the players that armagh fans constantly criticised for years for offering nothing to the team
Quote from: Orchardman on April 11, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 11, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
MOr was part of the St.Pauls managment team that won an all ireland. Great choice for manager. ;) ;) ;)
That is the MOR i was thinking of, how anyone could suggest him as a manager is beyond me, i assume this is a joke. He was one of the players that armagh fans constantly criticised for years for offering nothing to the team
As it happens what someone was or wasn't as a player is irrelevant but sure this is a lad still playing. silly suggestion.
I know, he's only about 31 or so im sure. Anyway, POR is gonna go out on a high this year by taking us to the last 12
Please, under no circumstances even allude to the smell of a possibilty that Paddy O'Rourke could perhaps get another year with Armagh.
How badly does he have to destroy Armagh before enough is enough?
Quote from: Orchardman on April 11, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 11, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
MOr was part of the St.Pauls managment team that won an all ireland. Great choice for manager. ;) ;) ;)
That is the MOR i was thinking of, how anyone could suggest him as a manager is beyond me, i assume this is a joke. He was one of the players that armagh fans constantly criticised for years for offering nothing to the team
Good players don't translate to good managers or coaches look at Roy Keane. Whilst mediocre and poor players often make the grade...Sean Boylan never played County Football. I wasn't sugesting any of the O'Rourkes as manager, but they have good experience in support roles. John Rafferty has a better coaching pedigree than most. But if you don't fancy John Raff then lets look elsewhere the point is when Paddy goes it's time for a clean sweep. I don't see much evidence of this tactical genius in performances to date. Yes we have played well in games, but we did so last year...no game plan and no consistency. There seems to be an awful lot of opinion here coloured by the club you come from. I'm not a Cross man but I'd bet if John Mc even was in charge you'd see more players from Cross available for the league. The two competitions shouldn't be mutually exclusive, injuries are accidental and you can pick them up as easy in championship. Rafferty was screwed by the CB anyway and mightn't want the job.
I was joking MOR should not be let near a team to manage. we would def win nothing playing the Dromintee way, but at least it would be a style of play more then can be said for the current manager's.
Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 12, 2012, 11:21:37 AM
I was joking MOR should not be let near a team to manage. we would def win nothing playing the Dromintee way, but at least it would be a style of play more then can be said for the current manager's.
That's grand armaghranger, i knew you were joking, it was whoever mentioned it first i was getting at!
Anyway lads, whether someone was a good player or not, i know it has no real relevance to being a manager (though often it does help), that wasn't my point. I'm happy to let paddy wreck away at it this year and then leave, but then again i don't have that much love for the county team, as long as club fixtures are played regularly i'm happy. As it happens i think we'l have plenty of coaching talent the next few years, mostly from the 2002 team.
Enda (mind matters) and juntin mcnulty, marsden, mcconville, mcgrane, geezer and the mcentees. As i said earlier, tony mc in another year or 2 could be best option, plenty of folk seem to think geezer won't be coming back to armagh for a long time
I used MOR as and example, what I was getting at is a need for a change, fresh ideas. If MOR doesn't fit the bill...and thats your opinion, then surely someone else does but Christ we need a manager who a) Has a plan and b) knows his first 15/17 players.
and c) can work something out with Cross.
Arse
Quote from: bennydorano on April 12, 2012, 08:26:40 PM
Arse
Very mature response to a post on a
discussion board. You are obviously an expert in arses.
See ye in Division 2. :'(
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 10, 2012, 10:11:02 AM
In what paper did PG say he was a stop gap?
interview in the irish star about a week ago. he actually uses the term stop gap.
brian mc alinden for me
Can this crap about our manager not just stop. The county has just lost the best forward any of us can remember and we have to play Tyrone in June. POR will be manager then. There was enough abuse given a couple of years ago which forced the manager to resign and put Armagh back big time. If i remember rightly POR got the job when very few people wanted it because of the abuse. Is it not possible to support and to leave talk about the management until the championship is over. Come on Armagh!
Fair point TYP but I live in hope!