All I want for Christmas is fair promotion of all sports...
Hundreds of GAA clubs across the country have outlawed the playing of controversial sports such as Hurling, Camogie and Handball.
Just in case children and club members actually enjoying playing these sports even mentioning them has been banned in clubs. No attempt will ever be made to promote these sports as they are against the founding principles of these football clubs.
Many clubs have made no effort to promote these other sports in their clubs and communities, thus going against the founding ideals of the GAA.
A spokes person for one of the clubs said - "Sure why would we want our members playing other GAA sports - it'd be better if they took up some rugby or soccer for the winter to keep fit before the football starts back in spring".
Studies have shown that multi sport clubs are far more successful in the long run at all sports - both underage and adult, as their players stay playing one or other sport in the club and there is less drop out.
There are quite a few hurling only clubs as well, it is something I strongly disagree with myself but as a member of a dual club it is very difficult to give equal promotion to both codes. And trying to get a fair crack of the whip for both codes has caused numerous rows in the club. In truth single code clubs probably make more sense and I'm not sure I would recommend any single code club to try and become a dual club.
Quote from: Zulu on December 22, 2008, 06:01:22 PM
There are quite a few hurling only clubs as well, it is something I strongly disagree with myself but as a member of a dual club it is very difficult to give equal promotion to both codes. And trying to get a fair crack of the whip for both codes has caused numerous rows in the club. In truth single code clubs probably make more sense and I'm not sure I would recommend any single code club to try and become a dual club.
You're probably right there Zulu - running one or other is difficult enough but trying to combine both is tough - The Cork lads would say that footballlers feel very much like football is second to hurling and regarded very much like the poor relation - would that be a common enough perception ?. And would that thinking transfer to dual clubs, where hurling might be the "stronger" code and vice versa ?.
Source for that piece of work?
which piece of work?
I think one code or the other is always the poor relation at both county and club level (in my experience anyway) but it isn't as big a problem at county level as it is at club. Obviously at club level you are generally working from the same playing pool and within the squad you'll usually have some players who favour one code and some who favour the other. In fact it is not uncommon for players to play both codes only because if they don't play football, for example, others won't play hurling. It is often a very messy situation and while I do think every county should promote both codes it isn't the most practical arrangement in reality. For example in Dublin I would suggest one code clubs would be much better as the population is there to have a strong football club and a strong hurling club in the one area rather than a dual club that can only add to fixture problems for both county championships.
Yeah the idea of playing hurling in our club was shot down when we proposed it. There are a couple of players who play hurling for other clubs but play football for us.
Quote from: neilthemac on December 22, 2008, 05:12:48 PM
Hundreds of GAA clubs across the country have outlawed the playing of controversial sports such as Hurling, Camogie and Handball.
Quote from: neilthemac on December 22, 2008, 05:12:48 PM
Just in case children and club members actually enjoying playing these sports even mentioning them has been banned in clubs. No attempt will ever be made to promote these sports as they are against the founding principles of these football clubs.
Quote from: neilthemac on December 22, 2008, 05:12:48 PM
Studies have shown that multi sport clubs are far more successful in the long run at all sports - both underage and adult, as their players stay playing one or other sport in the club and there is less drop out.
Oh dear :-\
Quote from: neilthemac on December 22, 2008, 10:08:31 PM
which piece of work?
Source of the article that I assume you've quoted.
it was in an Ulster GAA publication/presentation on benefit of football and hurling working together in clubs
Quote from: neilthemac on December 23, 2008, 04:42:22 PM
it was in an Ulster GAA publication/presentation on benefit of football and hurling working together in clubs
Any actual documentation to back this one up? I'm presuming this is a wind-up.
For the life of me, I can't think of a dual club in Ulster that's halfway successful at both codes.
Maybe if Balllinderry, Mayobridge, Cavan Gaels, St Galls et al took up that sport with bats, then they'd all catch up with Crossmaglen. But then again, if sticks were allowed in Crossmaglen, the rest of us might as well not bother trying.
I remember speaking to a few of the lads in Dingle about Galvin and his prowess with a caman.....they confirmed that he was a handy hurler and said "imagine thon hoor with a schtick ;D ;D"
Quote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2008, 09:42:38 PM
For the life of me, I can't think of a dual club in Ulster that's halfway successful at both codes.
Maybe if Balllinderry, Mayobridge, Cavan Gaels, St Galls et al took up that sport with bats, then they'd all catch up with Crossmaglen. But then again, if sticks were allowed in Crossmaglen, the rest of us might as well not bother trying.
Think St gall's made an Antrim semi final a few years back but that's clutching at straws a bit I suppose.
In recent times Slaughtneil have won titles in both codes in Derry within 4 years (Hurling 2000, Football 2004).
Before that Dungiven won Senior Hurling 1996 and 1998 but won the Derry and Ulster Football Championship in 1997. There were a number of dual players on both the Dungiven and Slaughtneil teams at the time.
Quote from: screenexile on December 24, 2008, 03:17:47 AM
In recent times Slaughtneil have won titles in both codes in Derry within 4 years (Hurling 2000, Football 2004).
Before that Dungiven won Senior Hurling 1996 and 1998 but won the Derry and Ulster Football Championship in 1997. There were a number of dual players on both the Dungiven and Slaughtneil teams at the time.
thats about the heights of it in Ulster
Slaughtneil
Dungiven/Kevin Lynch's
and before these Lavey
I'd say were/are the only proper Dual clubs in Ulster (Slaughtneil werent as good in the ulster championship)
Only Antrim might offer a suitable candidate
imo
There are hundreds of dual clubs in Ireland and I think they are all to be congratulated on attempting to promote both codes. The problem isn't success or lack there of, but in the day to day running of dual clubs. In order for it to be truly successful you need mature, intelligent people who put the club before any one code, unfortunately that rarely happens and many people volunteering in dual clubs barely speak. I'd hate to think that any dual clubs would attempt to become a single code club but I wouldn't advise any single code club to become a dual club.
Quote from: Zulu on December 24, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
There are hundreds of dual clubs in Ireland and I think they are all to be congratulated on attempting to promote both codes. The problem isn't success or lack there of, but in the day to day running of dual clubs. In order for it to be truly successful you need mature, intelligent people who put the club before any one code, unfortunately that rarely happens and many people volunteering in dual clubs barely speak. I'd hate to think that any dual clubs would attempt to become a single code club but I wouldn't advise any single code club to become a dual club.
a lot more conflicts between football and hurling within clubs and competition for the same players\its not easy these days being a dual player
its tough for the dual clubs !
I agree that they should be applauded and lauded.
Quote from: hardstation on December 24, 2008, 12:15:04 AM
If you are going to clutch at straws, I put forward Dunloy.
what about rossa?have they not been successful in both codes