NFL Division 1 2022

[Average Score]

Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.

Devastated

[screenexile]

As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.

All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.

Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.

How can the world be against Armagh when it's against Tyrone. . . does the world hate both??!

I'm confused!

[Armagh18]

As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.

All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.

Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.

How can the world be against Armagh when it's against Tyrone. . . does the world hate both??!

I'm confused!

There's a clear bias against Northern teams. Don't think it can be a debate anymore, driven by the likes of that clown Spillane on RTE.

Of course, neither Armagh or Tyrone help themselves by getting into those stupid pushing and shoving matches but by the reaction of some you'd swear there was lads running about bateing each other with baseball bats. As much as it sickens me to say it, part of me was glad to see Tyrone winning last year. (Can't believe I've just wrote that)

[bennydorano]

Armagh set to appeal bans according to Irish News, if that's the case it then moves from the realms of the Ref's reports TO potential use of video evidence? If that's the case that's a potential can of worms that could very easily backfire, might increase Donegal punishment but it would surely be a Pyrrhic victory as we could worsen our own situation.

[Armagh18]

Armagh set to appeal bans according to Irish News, if that's the case it then moves from the realms of the Ref's reports TO potential use of video evidence? If that's the case that's a potential can of worms that could very easily backfire, might increase Donegal punishment but it would surely be a Pyrrhic victory as we could worsen our own situation.

Dodgy enough as supposedly Jemar and Rian could get banned too according to some. Havent seen any evidence of wrongdoing though.

[LCohen]

The idea that disciplinary authorities could sit on evidence but only actual act on it if an entirely different player appeals is crazy. I am assuming that isn't true. If it is true it's shameful.

I don't want spurious appeals. If Armagh are appealing all 3 then I have to admit that one of them is spurious and wrong.

Nor should we prevent genuine appeals. I have no idea what 2 of the armagh players did and if they believe themselves to be innocent they are entitled to test the evidence against them.

[Armagh18]

The idea that disciplinary authorities could sit on evidence but only actual act on it if an entirely different player appeals is crazy. I am assuming that isn't true. If it is true it's shameful.

I don't want spurious appeals. If Armagh are appealing all 3 then I have to admit that one of them is spurious and wrong.

Nor should we prevent genuine appeals. I have no idea what 2 of the armagh players did and if they believe themselves to be innocent they are entitled to test the evidence against them.

They seem to be leaving it up to what the ref saw rather that what actually happened. No one (bar Tyrones hoors ) want to see anyone else banned, I'd rather both teams get a go at each other at full strength.

[Milltown Row2]

Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.

I would rather the talk about the melee just ended. It has happened, time has passed, accept punishments and get on with it. Armagh fans blame Donegal ones and Donegal ones will blame Armagh but there is no video evidence to suggest who started it. During the melee both sides shoulder the blame and whilst Armagh might have been punished a lot harsher than Donegal it doesn't always go the way you want. We have a game in a few weeks against them, we still have our key players whilst the others undoubtedly make an impact we have even better players returning.

I'm confused on this bit in bold? Why does this matter? 

[Average Score]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

[David McKeown]

As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.

All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.

Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.

I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.

That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.

My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.

I wouldn't expect your angle to be any different, but the 'lawyering up' is contributing to the rules being unenforceable rather than being a result of it. If they came out and said a headlock was a red card offence, people would want a headlock defined. IF they defined the headlock, there would be people out with freeze frames and stopclocks measuring the angle of the arm, length of time etc.

What I would love to see, is:
- set up a rules / refereeing clarification group
- they meet to discuss and review how certain rules are being enforced
- issue feedback to referees, and the wider audience, with videos showing why one incident might be different to another.
- Video should highlight where particular incidents were adjudged correctly, or show how they would have liked the outcome.
Need to start looking at the spirit of the rules, and if we all as fans, coaches, players, referees keep getting this kind of clarification then we can see how it should look. Referees will still get decisions wrong, its a fast game on a large field, but at least we will have some idea of what is correct and what is wrong.

FWIW I think a lot of the feelings of unfair treatment from Armagh and Tyrone fans comes from each side winding the other up. The levels of focus on here in particular is due to the constant shitstirring/banter.

I completely disagree. From a legal perspective I feel the rule book is very poorly written and there's no reason why it should be. There are plenty of people who specialise in properly written robust rule books and are members of the association.  Guys like Liam Keane and the arbitrators of the DRA provide invaluable service to the association. Guys like that should be tasked with rewriting the rule book from the ground up.

[Milltown Row2]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite

[Average Score]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite

Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.

[joemamas]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite

Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.

I agree with Honeyvalley, I mean The greatest, oh i meant Average score.

[Milltown Row2]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite

Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.

Maybe if we had stronger officials and the players were complaining to the ref... the players complain every second of the game...

Maybe if they'd play the game within the rules and stop joining in when two lads square up we'd have no dopes getting suspended and missing out on the most important game of the year!

Why train all winter?

[Average Score]

I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.